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12304214 No.12304214 [Reply] [Original]

>spanish subtitles are a bit close to the actual translations while changing some puns that aren't translatable
>english subtitles make up a whole new script, isn't even close to what was said in japanese
People who watch hologra with english subtitles are straight up watching a different show

>> No.12304257

>>12304214
sure thing spic

>> No.12304281

>>12304214
>justifiying ever watching something in spanish

>> No.12304306

>>12304257
Cope

>> No.12304312

>>12304214
Go complain on reddit, a translator is a mod there

>> No.12304403

>>12304281
You could watch in japanese EOP

>> No.12304429

>>12304214
Suisei was so hot in this.

>> No.12304509

>>12304214
It's the same with anything Japanese translated to French.
English just isn't the right language for translating Japanese

>> No.12304571

>>12304509
This, english is a lot different than Japanese than Spanish is (even with all the ways to say something in spanish)

>> No.12304625
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>>12304214
Dont care
Dont aak
Suisei cute

>> No.12304631

>>12304306
You were in another thread then came up with a troll idea, you can't even speak nip fag

>> No.12304716

>>12304571
Well, now I talk about that, English is a very stiff language, maybe it's the reason

>> No.12304725
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>>12304214
>spanish subtitles are a bit close to the actual translations
that's because spanish translators are used to piracy and translate tons of animes, mangas and Light Novels, a lot of manga in english are translated from spanish in reality.

>> No.12304736
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Suityan Kakkoi

>> No.12304765

>>12304725
Marine would be proud

>> No.12304876

>>12304429
She’s such a goddess I can’t stop staring at this shiny comet

>> No.12304892

>>12304312
They'll just delete the post, no point.

>> No.12304911

>>12304509
>>12304571
That's not all there is to it. English subtitles usually include references that weren't in the original, just to add "flavor". It's as much of a cultural thing as a language thing, at least.
Probably has to do with other countries being used to translations as one of the main methods of consuming entertainment, while english speaking countries are used to everything pandering to them both in language and culture.
Other countries learn what americans usually eat by watching american characters eating and talking about food in american media. Americans grew up only hearing about themselves, so they just go and change everything to hamburgers when localizing, unless they want to depict a stereotype.

>> No.12305019

>>12304214
> still read subtitles
*sip tea*

>> No.12305071

>>12304892
https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/qjlo5a/anime_bar_fubar/hirdas6/

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>>12304911
>Americans grew up only hearing about themselves
well that's true, Hollywood is the main culprit, everybody has a reference about fat americans, but they know shit about the world, that's why woke garbage is spreading like poison, and also the reason why they suck at football

>> No.12305288

>>12305071
>so we localize as much as we deem okay.
So this is the average american translator team...

>> No.12305430

>>12305071
Kek, but the same haiku has sense in spanish, how is it?

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>people can't handle the truth

>> No.12305536

I've noticed that same shit too, some English subs are 4kids tier in the way they change stuff.

>> No.12305700

>>12304736
Wtf bros Suisei in Smash?!

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>>12304257
>doesn't know enough japanese to notice this level of discrepancy
La mao

>> No.12306021

>>12305430
The spanish, from what I can see, is a direct translation. It does not convey the metaphor by itself, as it relies on a cultural standard to be easily communicated, but the difference is that non-english speaking audiences usually see "learning which metaphors and figures of speech are used in different cultures" as part of the experience of consuming media from different countries. English speaking people only care about understanding the text and moving on.
It's arguably more faithful to the creator's intent, as when they include some throwaway joke the intent is to get a quick laugh of the audience, not to teach them about their culture, but I personally find more value in learning from being exposed to things that don't mean much to me at first.
It's really a cultural thing, and a "lost battle" if you're EOP and prefer more literal translations. Learning the language is the only way. Or using your native language for subtitles if you're ESL, which will usually give something closer to what you want, but in many cases is directly translated from the english version, so even then you're better off trying to learn the language.
Personally, my preference would be to keep a direct translation and add a short explanation of things that might be lost in different audiences in the video's description, like translation notes.
Ironically, "like a moth to a flame" itself is an expression most ESLs use because they've learned it from consuming english speaking media, not from their native languages. Never once heard anyone saying this in my language, even if the meaning is fairly obvious.

>> No.12306299

>>12305700
I’m crying I’ve been wanting this for so long

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>>12305700
OMG, sank you sakurai...

>> No.12306855

>>12304214
You're retarded.
The translations in English was perfect. I know JP and English. If you're upset that a single line was added to the Haiku to explain the metaphor without using a translators note, you're retarded. Everything else was the original script. If you're upset they kept the tone by saying "PPTyrant" instead of "PP king" for PP王 you actually should never be allowed near a translation team in your life. Your the type of fuck who would get upset splatoon says "you were splatted" instead of "you were done in".
Literally every single meaning of the original script got across fine, in fact if they didn't add the haiku line and just had it "direct" the meaning wouldn't have come across from the English subtitle, you don't know a single thing you're talking about.

>> No.12307445

>>12306855
Guwu

>> No.12308365

Burger "translators" have brain problems.

>> No.12308563

>>12304429
i want to drink her piss so much

>> No.12308689

>>12304736
What is the chuuni shit

>> No.12308757

>>12306855
I didnt get the joke about drinking sake to lamy

>> No.12311224

it is not only in vt content. but in many others japanese media products. official subtitles for english have its own script or minor alterations that complete change the meaning. while other languages have a 1:1 translation as far as it can get without sounding gibberish.
the english market targets the US. and the US is known for hating anything related to outside cultures and for non stop bitching at anything they don't understand. so their official translators change things all the time to reach the US market.

t. trilingual with translator friends across the world

>> No.12311609

>>12308689
Suisei is a huge chuuni.

>> No.12311746

I really should start doing my reps again. I am just too lazy and busy.

With my N5 level I can watch stuff with the help of subtitles and context but shit like this is hard to pick up

>> No.12311796

>>12304214
I'm glad you found a cope for your dogshit language. Retards with an agenda translate everything from Japanese to English.

>> No.12311837

Americans don't translate, they localize, which means cramming as much reddit in something that is physically possible

>> No.12312268

>>12306855
Shut up Herz

>> No.12312830

japanese to english "translations" are generally all bad (VERY bad) regardless of medium (official anime localization is worse, same with videogames. fansubs are SOMETIMES better but sometimes just as bad)
if your jp is above n3 (i wanted to say n2+ but i thought about it and it might actually be earlier than n4) and you consume any jp media that is english subbed but with the original voice dub you will notice how they straight up invent new dialogue, fuck up any nuance the original phrase might had or in the worst cases give the characters entirely new personality traits or just new personalities (eren in aot s4)

>> No.12313333

>>12304214
I'm just glad the former 4kids translators found jobs.

>> No.12313363

>>12304214
For better or for worse?

>> No.12316100

Official Hololive subs are practically 4Kids/Crunchyroll levels of translation quality. Way too much liberty taken, just fucking translate it literally instead of trying to insert memes or shit that doesn't even correlate to the original script.

>> No.12320647

>>12304911
The en subbers are just fucking shit, that's all.

>JP: "dare? Dare?"
>EN tr: "ummm stop copying me reeeee it's not funny"

They just put in their own shit, it has nothing to do with what was originally said.

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