/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

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How did Cover do it? Absolute lightning in a bottle.

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The just pick the names out of a hat. Then let Ina pick gen 2 and 3.

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>>12339195
Lightning in a bottle would be Gen 3. Pekora, Rushia and Marine. Absolute monsters in views, profits and popularity.

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>>12339575
They are the best thing since Gen 3

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>>12339575
They have multiple bottles of lighting, some are brighter than others.

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>>12339195
Both cover and the girls took a chance with full expectation that holoen would crash and burn. When they blew up greater than anyone could imagine both sides fought hard to keep it that way.

Contrast this to council who knew exactly what they were getting into and are just riding coattails to success. They literally don’t even stream and idiots are still throwing money at them.

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>>12339195

gen 3 and EN were the double dose of lightning

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>>12339195
No jokes? for EN, completely untapped marked, being firsts, and the bare minimum talent entry requirements.

All these girls would still produce content, as they were, Cover just bundled it all together in a very generic idol package based on JP experience.

IMO, business wise, there are still lots of areas to really hit gold here, which Cover doesnt really do because traditional japanese business practices and still lots of unknowns for the mainstream.

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Ame is obnoxious as fuck and fails at games intended for the under-10 audience.
Gura was popular before hololive so obvious she will be popular again.
Ina is a horrible bitch who insults her audience.
Mori doesn't like white guys, to put it politely.
Kiara is absolutely atrocious on every level.

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>>12339195
>Kiara
Had some experience in entertainment. Somehow anticipated the exact solution to the final interview beforehand and diligently practiced for it, thus performing at a level beyond most other participants.
>Mori
Had some experience in entertainment. Applied on a whim due to her friendship with Milky. Is an anomaly in that she made it her life's goal to get to Japan and become a Japanese rapper. Had to develop an insane work ethic and thus, is now incredibly skilled at singing and rapping. Absolutely mogged everyone in writing and gap moe. Add in drawing. Easy pick from someone who would never have auditioned otherwise.
>Ame
Had some experience in entertainment. Creative. Very sad life story. Very cute laugh. She is a top pick from the largest category of entrants, those who only wanted to be a vtuber and not much else. Very knowledgeable about many topics, knows how to fill air.
>Gura
Had some experience in entertainment. See Ame, but even more of everything. A bit less creative, but wittier and knows how to split her stream into many short clippable sections. Her streams could be considered a long string of 3-5 minute clips back to back. Panders to many audiences. Knows what she's doing. Probably stood out among everyone else and was an easy pick.
>Ina
Had some experience in visual design and drawing. Well connected and can pull strings. Knows how to pander to a lonely intellectual audience. Auditioned after pulling an all-nighter, which affected her performance positively. Creative and puts effort into her stream ideas. Purple, serious type personality octopus design available, particularly fits her due to the association with ink. Possibly ended up as a variety pick due to her drawing skill.
>Mori and Ina fit their characters the best due to their past work. Kiara is an obvious choice for a bird type character. Ame and Gura were top contenders and filled in the other designs.

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>>12341490
Yeah man, I remember Mori streaming real hard in her first few months.

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>>12339195
>How did Cover do it?
Rona

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>>12342425
Didn't she had a full time work then?

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>>12342722
Almost as if Mumei has college (and still streamed 7 times this week) and Sana has artist duties and had her dog die. The only legitimately indefendable schedule is Kronii.

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>>12342868
Is a schedule free job, they do have a quota, but after that is up to them, how seriously the take the job.

I am sure that for some, the money for 2-3 streams is good enough as income and they rather do something else without the burden of thousands of eyes on you, anything above that is 100% money motivated.

And for some others, they know that this is not a lifetime gig and are milking every penny of their better years, regardless if they enjoy it or not, if they are smart, they try to make it fun as well.

So is a choice:
- you have a basically passive income, and have a chill life
or
- you grind it and take advantage of an entertainment industry with longer than usual lifetimes, and also fill up on all the (non physical) attention whoring that you want to raise your ego with almost no downsides.

Personally, I can respect the chill route, and I dread all that attention and find it disingenuous to go full moe moe kyun for money online, but still, if you choose to go into it, then go all in, make with it the most that you can.

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>>12341806
>Mori doesn't like white guys
And the problem here is?

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>>12342310
>Very sad life story.
What's her backstory here

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>>12339195
I think council problem is the lore is too crazy

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>>12341806
>Mori doesn't like white guys
Based.

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Hololive needs to drop it with their dogshit lores desu. None of that shit makes any sense and no one reads lores anyway.

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The answer is that the demand was there and they were a market mover. The second answer is that Coco recognized her popularity was because of EOP-JOP crossover and pushed for it. Without Coco pushing the idea along Hololive would have passed on it and Niji would have continued to dominate. The face of ENtubing would be Vshojo.

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>>12341806
>Ina is a horrible bitch who insults her audience.
please stop seething over a single fucking joke

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>>12346828
Please go back to your discord server

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>>12342425
otoh, she also produced many songs that helped push the popularity of Myth and Hololive forward - her contribution is arguably more valuable than if she didn't do those and "just streamed normally" and nothing else.

The lazy ones in Council don't have any similar excuses.
Call me back when they produce as many songs as Mori in a similar time and bring increased attention to Hololive

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>>12342868
Kronii got sick and had to get a new PC too.

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>>12341613
I count it as three bottles of lightning because early Coco on her own was something magical too.

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>>12344762
The "minimum stream requirement" was always just pretty much a fig leaf / paper tiger. It doesn't do much besides maybe weed out the laziest applicants (who're also stupid enough to admit that they're lazy and can't even be bothered to just pretend otherwise in the application interview)

Because once you've made it in, what's Cover going to do about it to actually enforce it? If you want to take days or even weeks off, you just need some sob story excuse (take your pick, from tommy hort to my dog died lesgoooo, apparently anything goes) so your yesmen simps will fall over themselves to shower you with pity "aww poor gurl, don't worry sweetie take as much time as you need", which also has the added benefit that if Cover ever decided to actually ever do something against your truancy, they'd risk bringing the ire of the fanbase upon them (how DARE they force our widdle girl to work!), so you can pretty much do whatever you want and Cover isn't able to do shit about it.

Some Holos like Ayame have already figured this out long ago, how to abuse the system, and only return every once in a while to collect some welcome-back SCs (for your next vacation) if they need it. You might think, well why don't they just quit outright then, but that'd be like turning down free money for minimal work, and it's not like Cover is actually "losing" money on them either (they're just not making as much as they could), so they mostly just let them be as is, because actually doing something about it would only take more trouble. The company is "lucky" that most of the talents are actually hard workers, either by having japanese work ethic, not wanting to let the group down, or being really grateful and wanting to provide for their fans, but like in every group that's grown sufficiently large enough, some bad actors and passive passengers will invariably find their way in, and you can just hope that their attitude and example doesn't infect the rest too much over the long run, but it's inevitable especially as you bring more western (or westernized) women with their (lack of) work ethic in, this shit is going to spread and increase.n

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>>12346892
>Seething over the most ridiculous of things
I think Twitter might be more up your alley.

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>>12347170
>Twitter
Go back

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>>12346929
>3 songs being produced right now or have been already released by Council
>Weekly Council collabs to keep viewer attention
Gee, almost like they're doing this already.
>inb4 "Myth brought far more attention"
No shit, they were debuted in the middle of a pandemic and had a breakout meme.

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>>12346892
kys retard

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>>12347144
I agree with you on the abusing the system part, I guess I never though about it.

IMO is another symptom of the community growing too fast, apparently everyone and their moms can become vtubers and we should support them all, one really sometimes forgets how new this industry is in perspective.

I am just genuinely curious on the business side of things, how companies handle this on the long run, as you mentioned, Cover is lucky, but for how long, I guess a lot, but still.

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>>12348244
t. egg

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>>12347041
Coco is a disaster, yabai gens and members arent worthy the tittle.
stop calling reddit a lightning in a bottle.

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>How did Omegaα do it?
No need to thank me humans, just doing my job

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>>12348655
4th gen debut and early Asacoco had nothing to do with reddit. How new are you?

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>>12339195
It was the first gen. The question is can they repeat it again?

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>>12347144
>you just need some sob story excuse (take your pick, from tommy hort to my dog died lesgoooo, apparently anything goes)
Or just say you're taking a vacation, like Kiara and Mori did several times. People do understand the concept of vacations and the need to rest.

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>>12349961
No, you'll get a few individuals that will incline hard like Kronii but nothing like the whole gen inclining as was in gen 1.

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>>12339195
>How did Cover do it?
Basically. They re-skinned Gen4.

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>>12339575
Nah. Gen4 MOGGS.
>The best original music and covers
>The best gaming skills (Luna carries)
>THE CUNNY GEN OF HOLOLIVE
>The most idol like gen
>Nuf said.

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>>12342310
>Ina
>Auditioned after pulling an all-nighter, which affected her performance positively
Source? I hadn't heard of that before

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>>12351428
Kiara on vacation release more content than an average Kronii week though ?

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>>12339195
none of them are especially talented or entertaining, you mythfags just put them on a pedestal since they were the first popular EN vtuber group

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>>12347144
>skree nobody ever has bad stuff happen they're all just lazy!
projecting much, faggot?

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>>12342310
>incredibly skilled at singing and rapping
Lol no. Will grant you the rest of the points, though.

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>>12342868
Sana your dog just died. Let’s GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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>>12352401
Towa - Apex faggot. No one cares.
Watame - her music sucks
Luna - her existence filters me
Kanata - Leech
Coco - graduated.

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>>12352756
Gura is the biggest vtuber ever in the history of vtubing. You don’t luck into that.

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>>12346479
Mum is dead, Pops is dead, grandma also dead. She's deaf in one ear due to infection, can't eat garlic bread because gluten intolerant, and became a bum once after unable to pay rent. Did titty streaming for a while before making her big break as the blonde-headed detective we all know and love. Walfie is actually her dog from a long time ago

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>>12339195
Myth is truly lightning. Council is pretty shit.

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>>12353027
>can't eat garlic bread
Why live

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>>12352987
you do when you already had an established fanbase, are the most generically cute member of your gen, and debuted at time when Hololive's meme value in the West was at a (then) all-time high.

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>>12346479
Ame was basically a caretaker for one of her family members for a long time. Maybe a parent or grandparent, something like that. She said this in her debut or maybe her debut rewatch at anniversary.

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>>12352666
She said this in her debut rewatch at anniversary I think. Otherwise search for Ina's answer to the question: what should I do to prepare for holoEN2 auditions? And she goes into a long story about her audition.

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>>12353396
>you already had an established fanbase
You don't luck into that either.

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>>12353478
you do when you have a loli voice, go viral on tiktok, and get cosigned by Belle Delphine

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>>12342310
>exact solution to the final interview
wym?

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>>12353625
>go viral on tiktok
You don't luck into that either.

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>>12353931
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jowwJcA98GA

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>>12352756
>>12353396
>>12353625

It's almost as if they worked hard and earned it. Why are schizos like this?

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>>12354483
debuting to an audience 10x larger than anything an indie who streams daily can ever hope to obtain is hardly "earning it", regardless of how much work they put in afterwards

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>>12339195
If Council had been Gen 1 and Myth Gen 2, would HoloEN still be as successful?

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>>12354686
nope
gen1 is mentally strong, we trash them for being menheras but they're weirdly unfazed and kept going even though shit was going on all around them. they're more mentally mature too. if your order did happen, gen2 would still have lower numbers than gen 1 but gen1 wouldnt have been as big as current gen1.

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>>12339195
>Absolute lightning in a bottle
Yeah, because they were in the right place at the right time. Let's recap things a little bit.
>western newfags started slowly discovering chuubas thanks stuff like Scatman, NIGGAAA, etc etc
>then Corona happened so people started having more time for the internets and shit, funnily Korone was listed under Corona videos
>mass clip faggotry started so you had shitload of people that watched Hololive EN clips but didn't watch JP streams maybe aside from big events
>Coco started doing reddit reviews, other girls joined in posting on reddit, EN interest in VTubers was at its peak
And then not even a week after Aloe's graduation when Reddit and saviorfags were still burning with the fury of thousands suns Cover announced Holo Myth. Literally perfect spot for Holo EN release. And there you have it. Culmination of hype from several factors and previous talent. If you want to talk about the first and true lightning in a bottle for Cover, that would be Aqua.

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>>12356420
They were lucky, sure. But circumstances aside, myth's talents are pretty top tier and their variation is really good. Especially if you compare them to other EN Vtubers.

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>>12354686
Gonna be contrarian and say it would be almost as successful. Aside from Kronii, who is prone to menhera breakdowns, all of them are solid and consistent entertainers. If they were debuted in the same conditions, without shit lore baggage, Bae was allowed to be her natural self and if they got a massively viral meme and song like Myth, then they would be equally as popular.
I will say, Council isn't a gen intended to be pioneers, they're intended to diversify and provide strong chemistry to each other and diversify the styles of talent in Hololive. No EN entertainer feels similar to one another, and that really helps the cohesiveness of it, as seen in the recent collab.

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>>12339362
Based Ina

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>>12357169
Agree mostly, except for the gura anomaly. Still cant tell if her hyperfueled rise in popularity was a cause or effect. Its very hard to strike lightning twice in the same place.

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>>12356571
>myth's talents are pretty top tier
Not really. Kiara is awful in every way, Gura skates by on her design alone and Amelia is supposed to be the "gamer" of the group and sucks shit at games. At best they have Inas art and Moris music which are both middle of the road at best (and yes if you can only draw anime style art you're not a good artist, sorry)

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>>12356420
Internet fads come a go very quickly, myth had the talents to keep the momentum going. Look at where they are compared to debut, they all became way better

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>>12357403
EN is, was and remains complete cancer.

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>>12341806
>Gura was popular before hololive so obvious she will be popular again
Writing off the fact that she's more than tripled her initial audience since joining hololive is disingenuous. That didn't just happen.

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>>12357403
>myth had the talents to keep the momentum going

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>>12357418
Probably not wrong, but i reckon it will define a decade of memery to come. Sort of like how mmos are cancer but completely changed videa games

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>>12357453
Its not just about views, i think what happened is all the people who watched EN then went on to reverse discover JP

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>>12352401
Literally failure who gen without Coco

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>How did the biggest vtubing corporation in the west with a huge Reddit presence and extremely popular and successful talents like Pekora, Marine, and Coco (who was recently involved in a big scandal that even normies who'd never heard of vtubers could read about) find success with their first ever English branch?

I'm not sure if you're retarded or what. Myth was guaranteed to succeed from the moment it was conceptualized. You could literally switch any of the girls behind the Live2D with any random e-girl off of Twitch or Discord and they'd be at the exact same sub count and popularity (probably even higher in the case of Kiara and Ina).

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3D prediction, not VR 3D:

1. Calli
2. Kiara
3. Ina
4. Gura
5. IrYS
5. Bae
6. Mumei
7.Sana
8. Fauna
9.Kronii

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>>12357319
Gura is definitely an anomaly that could not be replicated if Council was Gen 1 instead. V-Tubers thrive on clips, which Gura absolutely excels at. And the closest Council members in terms of personality that would have gotten the Gura model is either Mumei or Bae. Neither of whom are as clippable as Gura. Plus, the whole story of sucking at Maneater, followed by being a beast at Muse Dash, was a pretty good story that endeared people to Gura and showed her range of skills and personality

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>>12357923
An actual tragedy Mori hasn't had proper 3D yet. Does Holo know she's JP based?

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>>12356420
>western newfags started slowly discovering chuubas thanks stuff like Scatman, NIGGAAA, etc etc
Thats not what happened.
Western newfags jumped in on early with Kizuna AI, but then the TLs slowed down and novelty wore off so people tuned out and then with HoloEN a lot of people got pulled back in.

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>>12358002
Doesn't Calli also live in Japan? Do correct me if I am wrong, it has been a while since I've kept up to date on her streams. But if she still lives in Japan, she would have the easiest time getting her 3D model first.

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>>12339195
They're honestly all pretty fucking boring to watch.

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>>12358045
Who do you watch?

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>>12358083
I don't

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>>12358107
Based

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>>12357763
They were guaranteed ID level success - not mog the living shit out of the main branch level success

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>>12349050
The only thing you'll be doing is getting your bussy destroyed by me, Omega.

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>>12358228
>mog the living shit out of the main branch level success

Where do you see that on the chart? Because I only see Pekora here with Miko trailing at a distant 5th. Is it one of those "it's real in my mind" things?

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>>12358021
>Western newfags jumped in on early with Kizuna AI
AI's content was short 3D clips. Not the stream format we know today.
>but then the TLs slowed down and novelty wore off so people tuned out and then with HoloEN a lot of people got pulled back in
Absolutely delusional. Clippers back then before EN were rabid as fuck mainly inspired by shit like Lyger's bandaid clip, Pekora's halloween traps and stuff like that.

Oh yeah, and I also forgot to mention gacha collabs like the Azur Lane one.

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>lightning in a bottle.
stop saying this, you sound retarded

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>>12352401
gen4 is genuinely worse than gen5 if not for coco (and theres no coco anymore)

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>>12358461
NO U.

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>>12357988
guras not big because of clips she was big from the moment she debuted and just kept growing

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>>12346479
Generally was very poor and raised by a single mother who had a lot of different partners, at least one of which abused her physically and in a mildly sexual way. She moved around a lot as a kid and because of her autistic personality she had trouble making friends. Mom eventually basically ditched her and left her to be raised by her aunt and grandmother, the latter of which died a year before she joined Hololive which left her feeling empty and sad for a long time after.

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>>12339195
>lightning in a bottle
this happened because of the state of the vtubing scene when myth was announced (corona, coco reddit reviews, clipfags gaining popularity real fast) the talents themselves are all genuinely mediocre entertainers and the same level of success would have been achieved by any other group who happened to debut as holoEN1 at that time (nijiEN, holoEN2, random twitch ironic weeb egirls)
the only "lightning in a bottle" moment might've been gura's popularity between her first tweet and the "a" thing at the start of her debut and the pedobait design and high pitched voice but you could''ve replicated that with any other similar meme and nothing would've changed
in fact switch out holomyth with holocouncil and they would've been more popular instantly (kronii is a strict upgrade over mori minus the shitty rap, sana is a strict upgrade over ina personality and art wise, and mumei fauna > ame kiara)

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>>12358042
tbf, cover probably priorities the older gens. ID1 already announce their 3D but since the flight between japan still closed, it got delayed. not to mention myth is 1 years old while ID1 is almost 2 year. their 3D design probably still on the queue. i know its good for the markets and fans if the myth got their 3D, but if they got it before the ID1, it would make the IDs looks ignored and possibly crash their market

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>>12358495
Initial popularity doesn't help if you can't sustain it. Just look at Bae.

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>>12347144
>but it's inevitable especially as you bring more western (or westernized) women with their (lack of) work ethic in
I don't know how you can admit Ayame is the laziest shit in one breath and then blame poor work ethic on the west in the very next like this. Is this what too much /jp/ does to a brain?

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>>12352938
Time for your meds anonchama

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>>12358714
>kronii is a strict upgrade over mori minus the shitty rap
Somewhat true
>sana is a strict upgrade over ina personality and art wise
Very true
>mumei fauna > ame kiara
Currently false

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>>12353134
that's what she said, and she eats it anyways.

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>>12358045
aniki...

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>>12339195
That's not lightning In a bottle, that's just doing the right thing at the right time. Popularity + confinements = A huge amount of potential customers for EN chuubas, and given the brand recognition of Hololive eclipsing any other already existing EN chuubas, their success was more than guaranteed. All they needed to do was not to fuck up.

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>>12359285
currently yes, but on debut mumei and fauna were both better than kiara and maybe better than ame.

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>>12357923
>no Ame, who deserves it the most and would make the most use out of it
What did he mean by this?0

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>>12342425
Retardchama... 3 jobs and made a full EP on release. Now she's free she streams like 9 times a week.

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>>12358714
How can a post be so completely wrong

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>>12358985
Oh I know ID will get their 3D first probably. I am just speaking in terms of EN 3D debut order. Whenever it's EN's time to get 3D, Calli will most likely get her 3D first. Not ignoring ID, just saying how the order of HOLOEN 3D may go.

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>>12361786
I feel like they'll all get it within the same week and will round it off with a full Myth collab

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>>12354686
It occurs to me, council doesn't have any any musical talent, does it?
Sana said she was once a singer but she has plans to produce any music.
Am I being senile right now? Variety/artist, cute, ASMR, sardonic/depressed zoomer gamer, and... variety I guess? (I can't think of what rrat's role is.)
Is there a gen besides gamers that completely ignored a desire for music? (Not to say gamers has no musical talent, just that none of them focus on it.)

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>>12362733
>Not to say gamers has no musical talent, just that none of them focus on it
Miosha.

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>>12362733
>has NO plans
forgive me anon, I'm retarded

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>>12357378
>Gura skates by on her design alone
If this is true, why did she only have the third most subs pre-debut?

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>>12362090
This. There's no way they feed into rabid fans irritation by not debuting them all within the same week. I could see them doing Mori's ahead of time but not releasing it just so they have one less solo 3d to do in the same week/2 weeks.

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>>12357763
>Myth was guaranteed to succeed from the moment it was conceptualized.

No way. Cali's RIP, Gura's A (also ride on tide), and Ina's easily recognizable logos were all pretty fucking important in getting HoloEN as popular as they are now.

If Council had debuted first, HoloEN would have been nowhere near as popular because they have so many fewer "hooks" to their names.

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>>12363055
>There's no way they feed into rabid fans irritation by not debuting them all within the same week.

There's also that they have to fly into Japan and will probably want to collab together in 3D

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>>12354199
was that... anything?
All she said was she applied five days after auditions opened, came up with the script in an hour, "I was confident" and specified she could talk and do music. No details about the interview itself or even whether it was the first or final interview.

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>>12342310
>>Gura
>Had some experience in entertainment. See Ame, but even more of everything. A bit less creative, but wittier and knows how to split her stream into many short clippable sections. Her streams could be considered a long string of 3-5 minute clips back to back. Panders to many audiences. Knows what she's doing. Probably stood out among everyone else and was an easy pick.

You forgot that she already had a larger channel than any of the holos.

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>>12363281
Yet she streamed to <1k (iirc) people. Most people would have subbed cause of the few viral meme songs and then forgotten her.

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>>12359500
Ame deserves shit, she has shat on Hololive with shitty 3D vr chat models and making EOPs (you) believe that this even remotely passes for acceptable content. If I was Cover, I would tell EN that instead of the studio 3D experience with their senpais and each other, they will be forever stuck with those garbage 3D models remote and alone.

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>>12363902
This desu senpai

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>>12363281
I didn't forget, but I also didn't want a vacation

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>>12358714
>kronii is a strict upgrade over mori minus the shitty rap, sana is a strict upgrade over ina personality and art wise, and mumei fauna > ame kiara
No to all points. Kronii is inferior to Mori in every way. She takes Ket like an actual suicidal retard instead of drinking alcohol like a respectable person. She does have more boob visible though, I'll give you that much. Her voice is far less appealing than Mori's and it's too deep for a lot of people. Mori's voice is the tomboy sweet spot. Sana's personality is better than Ina's but she also does astrology streams. Not sure if her art is better but that argument is laughable on the surface when you consider Ina's past artworks. Which one of Mumei and Fauna is better than Ame? Kiara isn't as bad as vt claims and her SCs mog everyone in EN aside from Mori and Gura.

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>>12363083
Ride on time

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>>12339195
Global pandemic combined with YouTube's algorithm buffing their videos popping up in suggestion feeds due to holoJP's popularity in Japan cross pollinating with holoEN due to all the URLs in their video descriptions sharing the same romaji combinations.

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>>12339575
>Absolute monsters in views, profits and popularity
Noel is a cash cow also literally.
Flare have a solid fanbase

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>>12354686
Yes.

Baelz would have been responsible for bridging the gap between EN and JP, something which Kiara only succeeded in after multiple months of effort and menhera outbursts.
Sana's seiso levels would have surprised many. Her sincerity in spite of her numerous debuffs present a shocking juxtaposition which shows Cover is willing to experiment. Let's not forget her frankly awe-inspiring SC numbers.
Mumei is effectively more of a moe blob than Gura. I firmly believe that if the roles were reversed she still would have caught an extreme amount of attention and even surpassed Pekora.
Kronii has the same appeal as Ina, in that she panders to actual weebs and a small vocal minority of schizos. That's an extremely important market to acquire, and given that Vinesauce was a popular streamer around the time, many (and I do mean many) people from his fanbase would have asked him to check out Kronii, similar to how Jerma's fans asked him to collab with Nyanners. No, this is not some kind of fanboy theory, I genuinely believe this would have happened.
And Fauna? Fauna is a fucking gamer. Say what you will about Myth, they're mogged by Council in the "being good at video games" department and considering how shit most JP holos were at vidya at the time that probably would have went a long way.

Keep in mind that at the time of Myth's release, ANYTHING would have catapulted HoloEN into insane cultural relevance. Even IRyS. Hell, even Selen, Pomu, Koopa, god forbid one of the Vshojo girls. Timing is most important with idolshit and vtubing, talent is secondary.

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>>12365472
>Mumei is effectively more of a moe blob than Gura. I firmly believe that if the roles were reversed she still would have caught an extreme amount of attention and even surpassed Pekora.
Absolute delusion
>And Fauna? Fauna is a fucking gamer. Say what you will about Myth, they're mogged by Council in the "being good at video games" department and considering how shit most JP holos were at vidya at the time that probably would have went a long way.
Fauna is as mediocre at games as she is at ASMR and carrying a conversation. Of all the Council picks she is the strangest. She seems entirely without talent or passion.

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>>12339195
>lightning in a bottle
>Still no femboys in HoloEN
NGMI

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>>12365604
Except in hololive being mediocre at games puts you at very top of vidya foodchain.

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>>12367124
Yeah but it doesn't make for an engaging viewing experience. I'd actually rather watch someone fail humorously than be average. Fauna is the Kraft Mac'n'Cheese of vtubing, except there's semen in the cheese packet.

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>>12353931
She's Austrian, they are good at finding final solutions

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>>12358714
>kronii is a strict upgrade over mori
rumao

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>>12357418
>>12357453
keep seething. you will never be japanese and touhou is shit

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>>12363281
>You forgot that she already had a larger channel than any of the holos.
irrelevant, Mumei is proof

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>>12339195
If gen 1 was lightning in a bottle gen 2 is a turd in a bottle.

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>>12339195
Luck, Fubuki meme'd at the right time just as gen 4 launch injecting hype into the cycle. Gen 5 had a controversy that kept Hololive in the thoughts of overseas views and then the Taiwan incident happened. EN had a huge space that needed filled an Hololive EN launched just in time to catch that. Cover didn't do shit besides watch as JP gens 4 and 5 broke down.

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>>12347371
Council debuted in the middle of a pandemic too. Don’t tell me you think it’s over or even close.

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>>12376378
lol

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>>12376378
>anti-council niggers believe this

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>>12342310
>Very sad life story.
Twitch streamer on the brink of becoming homeless? That's it?

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>>12339195
Good scouting

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>>12339195
They didn't. Carried by brand name

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>>12376378
Holy fucking cope

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>>12354686
Council would have sunk the brand.

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>>12339195
Imagine if they picked Pomu or Finana instead of Kiara.

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>>12339195
M.A.G.I.K. is real man

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>>12376378
mumei and fauna are basically the same person

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>>12367981
kek

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>>12339195
>How did Cover do it?
Ask him/her.