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How do western normalfags go around enjoying vtubers when there's so much stuff that they complain about being done by the chuubas?
It's kind of funny seeing the thousandth time a lolicon post by someone is being rationalized as something else.

>> No.12499018

based pikame based iofi

>> No.12499297

>>12498807
Yeah, I don’t know how there haven’t more yabs with sjw sperging over “problematic” chuubas. Irys said on stream she loves “traps” and I was certain the terminally offended would declare war on her (apparently “trap” is a slur for trannies”), and outside some squabbles in the comment section of clip channels nothing happened.

>> No.12499376

>>12498807
>lolicon
pedophile

>> No.12499389

>>12498807
unless normalfag to you is specifically about lolis, you need to know that western normies are definitely not watching JP vtubers

>> No.12499399

>>12499376
If you think chuubas are pedophiles you don't have to watch them or come to /vt/, you know.

>> No.12499402

>>12499389
then how come resetera has like a thousand page vtuber thread

>> No.12499411

>>12499297
to be fair, 'trap' is more like a compliment to a tranny since it suggests one may mistake him for a woman
but mentally ill people will always find something that offends them

>> No.12499434

>>12499402
that's not normie in the slightest. Thats fringe fag shit.

>> No.12499457

>>12499411
traps and trans are not the same thing

>> No.12499460

>>12499434
Fair point, but they'd still be against loli and calling traps traps. So how do they do it? Delusional?

>> No.12499469

>>12498807
>>12499297
They watch the western normalfag chuubas that exist for them.

>> No.12499507

>>12499457
then why'd a tranny get mad over someone calling somebody a trap?

>> No.12499559

>>12499507
cause they've recently been trying to claim it as a word for themselves for some reason.
traps are just femboys

>> No.12499577

>>12499507
Because they want everything to loop back around to being indicative of being a tranny. They feel as though crossdressers, traps, whatever are all just trannies in denial.

>> No.12499587

>>12499460
I dunno go ask.
Personally I've never cared enough to ask anyone else what they thought of the art I liked, nevermind asking what they thought about the art other people like.

>> No.12499589

>>12499297
>Irys said on stream she loves “traps” and I was certain the terminally offended would declare war on her (apparently “trap” is a slur for trannies”)
they actually did on twitter lol

>> No.12499623

>>12498807
When will the irony weeb fad end?

>> No.12499632

>>12499297
I MISS TOMBOYS SO MUCH

>> No.12499643

>>12499623
Never. It's potentially profitable so it won't ever go away.

>> No.12499649

>>12499559
but traps are men dressing like a woman and looking it
femboys are just twinks where you can clearly see they're not a woman (hence not a 'trap')

>> No.12499714

>>12499649
Bro logic doesn't work with these "people", they think tomboys are FTMs in denial.

>> No.12499858

>>12499399
I don't watch the ones that are pedophiles

>> No.12499887

>>12499649
>but traps are men dressing like a woman
Anon, the good traps like Hideyoshi or Nagisa dress like your normal boys and tried really hard to be manly. The shit ones are ones dressing like a girl. Although at least those kind of shit traps pass as a girl I terms of appearances, irl trannies don't even put effort to look like a girl. You dont see people bitching at those cross dressing Thais since they put effort to look and sound like a woman, same case as Japanese cosplayers and Babiniku vtubers.

>> No.12499975

>>12499887
Actually you're fucking right, now that I think about it.
Might be the reason why Hideyoshi gave me bigger boner than his sister.

>> No.12500014

>>12499858
If you don't watch any vtubers why are you even here?

>> No.12500050

>>12498807
Western normalfags watch Gura, AT MOST, and generally don't watch chuubas at all. The audienece is very different from asia

>> No.12500311

>>12500014
i'd here to sell my rrats

>> No.12500404

lolicons have nothing to do with actual pedophilia haha pikamee is just discussing the prime age for FICTIONAL characters here she just forgot to mention it haha

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>>12498807
Reminder that Iofi deleted that first tweet, hiding Pikamee's explanation and their interaction.

>> No.12501366

>>12500587
Why is Iofi such a bitch? She should have been fired after what she did to Gura
Something is wrong with this girl

>> No.12501853

>>12498807
Most of them aren't vtuber fans or even anime fans. A lot of them can even differentiate loli, from chibi or petite dfc. Artists can literally make a loli call it chibi and get away with it.

>> No.12502955

>>12501366
Ah... I guess she really deserves that meme virus.

>> No.12503956

>>12501366
What did she do to gura?

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>>12500587
That just means that she's both smart and a coward.
Japan doesn't understand how much people hate lolicon in the west.
There are plenty of people who'd probably kill you if admitted to reading a loli doujin

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12504398

>>12499376
I would start by destroying my hardrive if i were you.

>> No.12504598

>>12504132
I dunno dude, I think the people who would be most angry about it wouldn't know what you were talking about without showing them.

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I wish normalfags would off themselves

>> No.12504619

>>12499297
Apparently trap is a slur that "gets trans people killed", because of something called "trans panic". God I'm glad I left Discord long ago, but these stupid fucking things are engrained in my mind.

>> No.12504915

>>12498807
Just means the EN containment branches are doing their job.

>> No.12505012

>>12504619
the more i hear about "trans panic" the more i understand why it's justified

>> No.12505218

>>12498807
SJW don't watch anime, let alone vtubers.

>> No.12505772

>>12505218
This. Same reason why every season we have some twittertards going "OMG THIS ANIME IS SO PROBLEMATIC, THIS IS NOT OKAY" and then nothing fucking happens because they don't actually consume that kind of content and thus have no influence over it. They just whine about it for a while and then move on to the next target.

>> No.12506177

>>12504398
Normies consider it pedoshit and that's all that matters. Warped opinions here don't mean shit in reality.
Unless you want to claim that the entire normalfag population are pedophiles, in which case I can just laugh at you.

>> No.12506246

>>12499632
Me too anon, me too…
Now someone post that picture of trannies brainwashing tomboys

>> No.12506260

>>12498807
cultural relativity

>> No.12506288

>>12505218
Neither does /vt/, the amount of anime references fly over their head like genderbends, traps, shotacon, etc

>> No.12506297

>>12499632
>>12506246
Are you two retarded? Tomboys are so prevalent that Girly Girls are actually rare.

>> No.12506347

>>12506297
I think we don’t agree either because we have a different idea of what a tomboy is or because I live in California

>> No.12506381

It's not "normalfags" it's AM*RICANS
Just nuke them all

>> No.12506389

>>12498807
They don't actually watch them. Something like that happened to /co/ media - leftists relentlessly complained about everything and pozzed the fuck out of it, and the only thing that happened was that genuine fans of cartoons abandoned that grotesque spectacle and the SJW's just tweeted this or that approval at fag representation or whatever without actually watching anything. This completely and singlehandedly destroyed western animation. Even if you go on /co/ now you'll see that many threads are always about old shows, pre-2000s and pre-2010s stuff rather than anything new. Compare this to /a/ where the board moves relentlessly fast in terms of content, with a thread about older anime here and there in an organic manner.

The same first happened to western live action. I haven't watched a Hollywood, Netflix or whatever movie or series in over 15 years. It got pozzed hard first and there was just no reason to watch it. I don't consume propaganda. Music died the same way of course.

The only winning move is to ignore SJWism and simply not engage with them. Refuse to play the game. Feign ignorance if necessary. They lose interest quickly.

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>>12506246
>Here

>> No.12506544

>>12506389
>Music died the same way of course.
How? Unlike all those other things you mentioned, music isn't 100% reliant on some big corporation creating more content. Literally any fag can upload his shit and there are lots of way to make it reach lots of people.
You are definitely right about mainstream/commercial music, though.

>> No.12506788

Japan is too based for westerns. Lolicon stuff is common there.

>> No.12506934

>>12506544
That's what I was mostly referring to. It's just chimp noises, whores and "hot Latino sounds" which disgust me. It's utterly gross.

Keep in mind I'm 35 and music stops being important after... 25 or so. But I find stuff like vtubers playing piano or singing far, far more enjoyable and "music" that these random farting noises that plague the general culture.

The last genre I was interested in was vaporwave and related stuff, but I never went in deep and have no idea if younger people see it purely as a meme or a joke or whatever. In any case yeah, normalfags suck.

>> No.12507349

>>12506347
Tomboys have gone extinct past 2010, anon. They're just trannys now

>> No.12507435

>>12506788
you know stuff is serious when even Japanese Communist Party had to release a public statement that they are not against lolicon after netizens found their first position on it unclear

>> No.12507475

>>12507435
>communists defending pedophilia
what else is new

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12507688

>>12499297
turns out the vocal minority of normalfags is just that and otaku hobbies are still usually populated by otakus

>> No.12507714

>>12499297
Lmao imagine being offended by "trap", normalfags were a mistake.

>> No.12507737

>>12506934
Retarded boomer who doesn't know how to search for normal music

>> No.12507802

>>12507688
I was disappointed when I learned the VA was a girl

>> No.12508312

>>12507737
Like I said, I have no interest in music. You grow out of that.

>> No.12508787

>>12508312
No, you don't. You are just a retard.

>> No.12508859

>>12499376
Nigger

>> No.12510383

Why are pedophiles overrepresented in the anime fandom? It's very simple, because the anime fandom is one of societal outcasts, they'll take anyone, and I mean anyone in. That's also why trannies are so overrepresented.

>> No.12511847

it is kinda funny that even though holoEN has a massive fanbase among more progressive twitter types, their association with hololive doesn't seem to mean much. they either dont know alot of holoJP are into those things or they just go "its something they have to do Over There because anime etc etc"

>> No.12512029

>>12498807
>muslim
>approves of grooming 9- 12 year olds

She is truly with the prophet. Inshallah.

>> No.12512113

>>12505772
It's a little worse for anime because of how mainstream it's becoming relative to where it was ten or so years ago. Thankfully, anime watchers are still overwhelmingly weirdo outcasts though, much like vtuber fans. I remember that one dumb cunt making a stink about Gura's character model for the first week after the myth debut, but it had zero impact and then everyone forgot about it. Let's hope it stays this way.

>> No.12512260

>>12512113
As long as they don't buy merchandise/blu-rays or offer any kind of financial incentive for anime producers to give a shit about their opinions, those people will still be irrelevant.

>> No.12512280

>>12499411
It offends them because they hear it as "tricking people into sex and relationships by hiding the fact that your trans until you're in the bedroom and clothes come off" when everybody else is using it to mean "a boy that dresses and looks like a girl". Trans people are literally projecting their own bad actions onto your unrelated language

>> No.12512317

>>12499589
like half a dozen people with few/no followers that got practically no likes

the actual explanation is that the people who would get in arms about this stuff barely watch anything hololive other than myth, and even then might only watch clips

>> No.12512325

>>12512260
Yeah. Same reason game devs and publishers with any sense don't cave in to similar demands: there's absolutely no incentive to doing so, since they'll gain no new fans but lose existing ones.

>> No.12512365

>>12511847
"progressive" can mean a million things

i support public healthcare, environmentalism, and union rights, but i don't have a problem with lolicon or fanservice

>> No.12512710

>>12512365
>falling for the union meme

>> No.12512790

>>12512280
Cope chud

>> No.12512878

>>12503956
Nothing, that anon is making shit up

>> No.12512881

>>12512790
Cope with what?

>> No.12512935

>>12498807
>western normalfags go around enjoying vtubers
Easy answer, they don't. next question

>> No.12512997

>>12512365
>environmentalism
do you believe that we will all die within 10 years?

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>>12498807
No matter where you go there's always a failed indie complaining about lolis more than streaming, sometimes I think they just get mad at the popularity and is nothing to do with ''protect the kids'', at the end of the day they don't actually watch and the numbers just keep going up for loli vtubers or vtubers that like lolis

>> No.12513128

>>12504619
> Trap
> Gets trans people killed
And that is a good thing

>> No.12513388

>>12512365
right. by that i meant the more generic stereotype of ppl with rainbow/trans flags on username, pronouns in bio, things like that. seems like everytime a holoEN tweet ends on my tl its always those specific types replying and stuff

>> No.12513466

>>12512365
hello I'm the same
you can be a lolicon but still realise that environment needs to be protected and gay are people too

>> No.12513494

>>12512997
nice strawman faggot
kill yourself by sucking on that exhaust pipe

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>>12499411
Wow bro, it's almost like trans people don't actually know what they are saying and are actually perpetuating misinformation on a topic they know nothing about! It's almost like the trans community it trying to police a community they have no stake in. Acting as if it was theirs the whole time.

>>12499559
>cause they've recently been trying to claim it as a word for themselves for some reason.

I always found that the idea of "reclaiming" trap for trans people is very stupid and illogical if you just think about it one second.

The reason why minority groups may reclaim a word is because they want power over something that was oppressing them initially (or it started to grow into a oppressive term). But let's drop the power dynamics for a second and let's look at this socially. Every word has a meaning and over time those words may become more impolite depending on the certain social climates a society may have. Negro was and still is a term to use for black people, so is Nigger/Nigga. All of these words may be different words, but ultimately they have the same meaning. It's just more polite to say one over the other. Nigger still means Black. Nigga still means Black. Black people start saying Nigga/Nigger to each other to drop the stigma between each other, because again it is what they are. Same thing with gay people. Homo, Fag, Gay, you name it. These words are the same thing, and the people who are apart of these groups know that no matter how mean or oppressive that word is, it is what they are. So, they attempt to embrace it.

Now when we get to Trans people, they also have a lot of words. Tranny, Transsexual, Troon, etc. All of these words are all still talking about the trans experience in some way. By not identifying with your "cis-gender". By that alone, they should understand that Trap (where someone, by all accounts, looks like a certain gender, but they are in fact not that gender. Where they intend to trick an audience) is fundamentally not talking about that experience like all the other words do. In fact, it can easily be argued that calling a trans person a trap can easily be either straight up harassment, or a microaggression. Just using their lingo to give some perspective btw. To imply that a trans person is just trying to look non cis and in fact tricking unsuspecting individuals should be immediate red flags to any trans person.

In no way Trap and Trans mean the same thing. It never did. Of course, I should say that their desperate reaches to try and see representation in almost anything is actually hurting them in this specific word. They have projected the trans experience on to someone who is and identifies as being their cis-gender. No, this isn't an "egg" situation, because traps specifically are not looking into other options for clothes to try and calm their gender dysphoria. It's more of a Femboy angle where they use femininity to enhance a goal. Not only that, but a trap doesn't need to crossdress in the first place to be a trap.

So then why? why cling to a word that wasn't yours to begin with? It's very simple. It's because they just don't understand. Trap has been and always will be mainly an anime archetype, coined by western otakus. It was first used in image boards and it will forever be discussed and most of it's understanding will come from hardcore otakus. They simply don't understand the fundamentals of anime and how a trap manifests in the industry and the public.

>>12498807
also, normalfags are retarded and delusional.

>> No.12513817

>>12504619
How many times do I need to say "trap" to get a tranny killed? What kind of ratio are we talking about here? This is extremely relevant to my interests

>> No.12513921

>>12512365
no one cares about your shitty beliefs from watching Family Guy, doesn't even matter what you believe since if you're not one of those spergs screeching about it constantly or funding them you'll literally never get any of the shit your kind steal.

>> No.12514287

>>12512365
It sucks, I think most progressively minded people are more like you but it's the screeching schizos that get attention online of course

>> No.12514593

>>12512710
American unions and European unions are pretty much completely different entities.
IIRC you can run an American-style union in most of Europe, but you're legally required to call it a guild rather than a true union, and plenty of people who support unions think that guilds shouldn't be allowed to exist.

>> No.12514650

>>12512365
Thats not being a progressive. Subsidized healthcare has been a thing since the dawn of civilization

>> No.12515437

>>12514650
Universal public healthcare was first started in 1880s Prussia with the introduction of nationalized insurance.

>> No.12519871

>>12498807
damn pika is cool

>> No.12522201

>>12515437
Continue

>> No.12525513

>>12511847
Funnily enough, there's actually a good amount of pronouns-in-bio type people on twitter that actually enjoys loli/shota content and are against those who preach the "lolicons are pedos" opinion.

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I'm a bit amazed that so far no one has tried to cause mass outrage over vtubers being into lolishota. The most was Brittany Venti and she shot herself in the foot by generalizing all of Gura's audience as 40 y/o male pedophiles

There's something about vtubers that filters most of the usual crowds that are generally anti-lolicon, it may be that vtubing as we know it is tied to otaku culture and that's something many of these individuals wouldn't be very interested

We can't be certain but think about it: they're usually interested in things like Nintendo, shooter games, games with gacha elements, shonen anime, K-pop, and even media with loli fanservice that they just outright ignore, among others. This kind of normalfags become attached to media liked by all ages, but couldn't get their hands on vtubing and then they were relegated to their own space that they themselves ruined: the indie EN vtuber community

The thing is, if someone was able to put the pieces together and then "reveal the truth" to normalfags, I can imagine a bit of backlash, but it doesn't seem like it's going to happen soon

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