/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Who are the pillars of Hololive as a brand? As in if two many of them were removed, the entire thing would collapse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13113941
>two many
I meant "too", I promise I'm not ESL

[Anonymous No.]

roberu

without him all the girls would leave

[شبيه القريدس No.]

Ollie and matsuri

[Anonymous No.]

>>13113941
>as a brand
Irrelevant. Morale within the organisation is more important than mere recognition. That's why none of the ENs matter, and why JPs like Pekora aren't critical to Hololive's continuation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13114167
Sounds like absolute cope. The most marketable and popular Holos are the most important, by far.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13113941
ayame

[Anonymous No.]

>>13114167
>Morale within the organisation is more important than mere recognition.
This is wrong in every conceivable way. Only a retard would think this.
>and why JPs like Pekora aren't critical to Hololive's continuation.
And then you go on to say something even more retarded. Pekora is one of the most popular, marketable and profitable Holos for a reason. As one of, if not the biggest, JP Holos and one of the faces of Hololive she is absolutely important to Hololive in every way. Take your meds.

[Anonymous No.]

Coco was the pillar. She was fired

[Anonymous No.]

>>13113941
friendship and seiso

[Anonymous No.]

>>13113963
ESLchama...

[Anonymous No.]

>>13113941
My top 10.....but mainly Korone & Subaru

[Anonymous No.]

Tier A: Fubuki
Tier B: Gura, Mori, Pekora, Suisei
Tier C: Korone, Marine, Sora, Subaru, Miko

They'd be in trouble if they lost A and one of B, A and two of C, or all of B and C at once.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13113941
Fubuki and Pekora are probably the most critical pieces

[Anonymous No.]

>>13116812
>Mori more important than Marine or Miko
Deadbeat please.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13116812
>Mori
>Gura

[Anonymous No.]

>>13113941
Hololive has a lot of depth, it would take a lot to take the whole thing down. Let's say Miko, Suisei, Pekora, Marine, Fubuki, and Korone all left at once and formed a rival vtubing company (or joined an existing one), that might be an existential danger to them. Only one or two of them leaving, even Pekora, wouldn't be that bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13117015
>>13117055
I don't like Gura or Mori either, but they form the core of the English audience, have two of the largest audiences and are still growing, and get the most views on their gaming and music respectively.

Those two are currently the most responsible for getting picked up by the algorithm and feeding new viewers into the Hololive ecosystem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13117259
I believe you have some receipts for all those claims?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13116256
>MATsuri so high
lolol no

[Anonymous No.]

>>13117529
>I don't like Gura or Mori either
Can't exactly prove this

>they form the core of the English audience
Highest views over the last 30 days out of EN

>two of the largest audiences and are still growing
See previous point. Also the two largest subscriber counts in the company, which are both still growing at a top 5 rate within the company (excluding Council, which would be expected to grow quickly right now on account of being the newest) based on the last 30 days.

>get the most views on their gaming and music respectively
Gura view counts are obvious enough. Even bots feed the algorithm. And there's really no room for debate on Mori's music being the most popular.

>Those two are currently the most responsible for getting picked up by the algorithm and feeding new viewers into the Hololive ecosystem.
Inferred by previous points.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13117891
So no receipts?

[Anonymous No.]

It depends mainly on the circumstances of their removal.
But there is a cadre within the company whose loss would cripple them in specific markets.
Losing most of Myth for instance would be a kneecapping for them in the EN market. But they could easily weather losing most of Council or Irys.

In Japan theres a lot more of them they could afford to lose but if they all left at the same time and joined a rival? Then Cover would be in trouble.

Also why does Flare have Pekora on a chain?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13117974
Source: YouTube, you dumb motherfucker

[Anonymous No.]

>>13117891
Personally I consider this analysis to be pretty spot on in relation to EN at least.

I think in relation to JP though >>13116812 is a bit off.
Mainly because their large numbers allow for a lot more room for someone else to pick up the slack.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13118031
Don't worry about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13113941
>Who are the pillars of Hololive as a brand?
YAGOO and Sora. Even if the other girls are together it wouldnt be the same.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13113941
Fubuki, Subaru, Rushia

Fubuki is the Guardian of Hololive, she does a lot of work in the background and lots of Holos look up to her. Fubuki is well known amongst fans and antis, Fubuki leaving is a big blow to fans and gives antis a tremendous rrat to pursue. Subaru loves Hololive the most, if she leaves that means there's no hope for the other Holos. And from a corporate standpoint, Rushia is #1 in supas, losing her compounded with losing Coco means they lose a ton (more) free simp money.

Honorary mention: Pekora. Pekora is a massive entertainer and merchandise making machine, you could probably replace Subaru with Pekora as one of the 3 pillars of Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13118077
I went to youtube once and watched a video about how moonlanding was faked. I was convinced.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13118239
I once went to YouTube and watched a video about cats actually being dogs and vice versa, I hate YouTube now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13113941

[Anonymous No.]

>>13118239
No, you dipshit. The actual numbers on YouTube. The view counts, subscriber counts, etc.

I'm not citing e.g. some shitty video essay claiming Mori's got 26 million views on one of her songs. I'm citing the undisputable fact that if you go on YouTube and look at her view count, it's 26 million.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13113941
Ayame,if she graduates so does half the company

[Anonymous No.]

>>13118703
if ayame graduates so does half the posters on this board

[Anonymous No.]

>>13118699
Jesus I hate amateur numberfags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13113941
Anya and Iofi

[Anonymous No.]

>>13118805
Look, mate. Numberfagging is stupid cancerous bullshit. But if somebody is asking to be spoonfed numbers to support facts that should be common sense, there isn't really any other way to go about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13118158
This is 2019 mentality. Almost three years later Sora isn't relevant at all. Not even Aqua or Fubuki are that relevant in 2021.

[Anonymous No.]

Pekora, Miko, Marine, Gura for streaming

Suisei and Mori for music

If anything happens to anyone of those talents the entire thing would be damaged.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13113941
Fubuki and Sora.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13115720
>This is wrong in every conceivable way. Only a retard would think this
No rebuttal, brainlet nigger

>And then you go on to say something even more retarded. Pekora is one of the most popular, marketable and profitable Holos for a reason. As one of, if not the biggest, JP Holos and one of the faces of Hololive she is absolutely important to Hololive in every way. Take your meds.
I agree with this

You're both retarded niggers in the end

[Anonymous No.]

>>13116812
I'd drop Mori and maybe Suisei a rung, but otherwise sounds pretty spot-on to me. I'd also say Coco was Tier B, so the company can clearly survive one of them leaving with few issues in the end. But losing several at once would likely be devastating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13113941
Sora
Fubuki
Aqua
Pekora
Marine

[Anonymous No.]

>>13125949
Aqua? What is this? 2020?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13113941
>Who are the pillars of Hololive as a brand?
Pekora and Marine

Fubuki, Sora, Aqua don’t have the celebrity effect anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13116256
>Gawr Gura at 37
Retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>13113941
Kiara

[Anonymous No.]

>>13127989
funny how you dont point to sora or fubuki but aqua.
she had the biggest sponsorships this year with red bull, honda and yokosuka
seethe chink.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13116812
Get Wigger Mori out of there and we are fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>13118663
Oh, it's reversed, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13132226
No, if it were then all of EN would be in top tier

[Anonymous No.]

>>13130131
do you understand what pillar means?
someone who is considerate enough and cares about herself and people around her, helping, advising and overall caring for the well-being of the group.
Aqua and Pekora are embodiments of egoism in hololive, hell even graduated Coco is more of a pillar for holos than those two combined.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13118663
Glad someone knows how important Mio is despite her unpopularity, she is one of the few in the Holos who knows how to host a collab properly

[Anonymous No.]

>>13113941
>Who are the pillars of Hololive as a brand?
Yagoo. He's basically their Stan Lee.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13132480
You dont have to be considerate to be the pillar of Hololive though, Ayame don't even stream often, Mori does external collabs more than internal ones and Pekora dont have many stable collab partners outside of Miko

[Anonymous No.]

>>13129728
Completely off topic but is there any actually good fan art of Holo girls wearing Nazi uniforms? Spoonfeed me like I'm a baby.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13113941
Worldwide probably Pekora/Gura. Japan specific Pekora/Marine.

I don't think the entire thing would suddenly collapse even symbolically important ones like Sora, Fubuki and Miko all left. They would just cope and move on like they did Coco. I don't think any one thing can kill Holo at all and it will just slowly stagnate and decline eventually, either because a rival outcompeted it like they did to Nijisanji or vtubers themselves decline in general.

Considering some long standing streamers like pewdie survived things you'd have thought might have been career ending, the loyalty of fans >>>>> everything really and it won't fall apart literally unless Yagoo himself decides to dismantle it. I can see, however, Cover doing the usual Japanese entertainment blunder of trying to force some retarded new direction or pointless restructuring onto the talents and audience, leading to their decline and not just losing talents. It'd be a very Japanese thing to do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13113941
As long as Sora exist holo will always thrive with her goddess like luck. Throughout it's run, all the dramas and everything related never effected her whatsoever. This girl is luck incarnate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13113941
>They're the pillars of Hololive
>Nearly half of them are literal camwhore
Really makes you think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13132480
This and unironically, we talk about the pillar and not about populality.

The pillar of Hololive

Sora - the pillar of genesis and seiso

Fubuki - the strongest pillar , the spine of Hololive.

Miko - the pillar of heart and soul of Hololive.

Coco - the pillar of hero who story has ended. Even death she still serve.

Marine - the pillar of horny

[Anonymous No.]

>>13116812
Mori and Gura are more Pillars for the EN branch than the entire company. If they both were to retire the EN branch would go to shit but the rest of Hololive would still be ok

[Anonymous No.]

>>13132686
>don't think the entire thing would suddenly collapse even symbolically important ones like Sora, Fubuki
If Sora or FBK left, it will affected holo greater than anyone else. Sora is the soul of cover corp./Hololive. She is the humble beginning, the mark of their success, THE idol, the reminder of their way, she is the soul. The day she graduate, hololive will lose half of it's soul.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13133538
This anon may sound hyperbolic but speaks the truth. Sora may not have that much people watching her streams but when she quits, JP girls will be shaken like never before and YAGOO better have a plan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13133821
not really, it would also heavily depend on what circumstances they graduating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13114167
>Muh Org
I will sound like a tribalfag and say that this sounds awfully like a certain fanbase ...

[Anonymous No.]

>>13133935
Not really.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13133538
When Fubuki graduate in bad term, countdown of doomday begin.
Fubuki's graduation has sole purpose for end of Hololive only.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13116812
>Daisenpai
>Not SSS
Anon, your JP culture rep ...

[Anonymous No.]

>>13113941
The closest thing to a pillar was Coco, and HL is doing just fine without her. Probably Korone and Gura now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13133821
True. Newfags may not care nor watch her, but her quitting will leave an everlasting impact on the girls. I mean she was the reason half of these girls motivated to go the idol route. Whatever the circumtances, with her gone, lots of them will lose motivation.

[Anonymous No.]

Pekora is the main character and single most important member of Hololive. Losing her would be like the Bulls losing Jordan, or the Pats losing Brady - sure, you've still go the pieces of a company, but you lost the main force that's driving everybody else forward, the person that people are tuning in to see.

You can literally graduate anybody else, Sora, Fubuki, Gura, none of them leaving would come close to having the impact on Hololive as a brand that losing Pekora would.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13134019
HL not fine after Coco graduation anon.
Reddit community has clumble hard.

They usually online 10000 but now it online only 4000-5000.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13134019
Coco was never a pillar

[Anonymous No.]

>>13134224
true, she stil is

[Anonymous No.]

>>13134208
Nobody cares about (you) leddit-kun. Coco was the only one

[Anonymous No.]

>>13134224
The pillar of bridge who bring 2 culture together. The unity incarnate

[Anonymous No.]

>>13116812
>mori
lmao everybody actually expects her to leave

[Anonymous No.]

>>13134191
Pekora - the pillar of number

[Anonymous No.]

>>13134530
(You) - the pillar of ESL

[Anonymous No.]

>>13134787
Yes, I am !
English's lesson in my country is expansive as fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13117529
>>13117259
fucking numbers, dude.
...
not that anon, but i may not like certain 'tubers, but if they are bigger than my oshi, they are bigger than my oshi. Gura's 3.4 mil sub count is too large a figure to just brush aside.
brushing that aside is literal copium.

t. Indieoshifag

[Anonymous No.]

>>13117974
you are a stupid troll. fuck, what a dense cunt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13113941
Fubuki

[Anonymous No.]

>>13132480
hold up
one thing
you dont get to tell me what pillar means chink
you dont even know what the fuck you're talking about.
Aqua is perhaps the number 1 most important person in hololive.
She was the one who made hololive go viral in the first place.
She was the most superchatted vtuber at the most important time for hololive.
She was the one called nijikiller.
She is definitely a huge pillar of hololive's success and a different take is delusional.
I won't even go into the rat about helping and advising cause unless ur part of management you have no way of knowing who is caring for the well-being of the group and who isn't.
Delusional chink. KYS

[Anonymous No.]

>coco convinces cover to hire english branch
>says taiwan
>cover releases absolutely cucked apology
>isolates coco from collabs, suspends her for months
>eventually she's basically forced to quit
>hololive english becomes soulless as fuck
>tranny manager making bizarre decisions, horrible hiring choices for wave 2
>coco more successful than ever as an indie
It's just a bad situation all around. It's why I don't watch hololive anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>13135205
>t. Indieoshifag
Disgusting

[Anonymous No.]

>>13135441
Not him, but you want to prove him wrong, yet everything you listed is personal achievements that depend on numbers and money, Aquafans are like their oshis, they are not bright creatures.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13135441
NTA but Aqua' the pillar role die down with Bilibili' betrayal and Aquafags who spammed Coco

[Anonymous No.]

>>13135605
That Omega doing and you should thank Omega for force Coco to quit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13132679

[Anonymous No.]

>>13135441
Aqua is extremely important to Hololive, but she isn't a pillar. Hololive would live on without Aqua. It doesn't compare to the impact of losing Miko or Fubuki. The entire thing could fall apart like a house of cards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13113941
Gura, Ame, Mori, Ina, and really that's about it. JP tried to force EN to kowtow to their standards, but now they are trying to copy EN as fast as possible

[Anonymous No.]

>>13113941
None
Evwn if the top 70% of them quit the 30% would still do just fine and the conpany would just hire others to fill the gap, but they'd have to lower their standards a bit

[Anonymous No.]

>>13135605
>coco convinces cover to hire english branch
I can agree with basically everything else, but come the fuck on. Do you REALLY think Cover is so dense they needed Coco to tell them to try hiring for the English audience

[Anonymous No.]

>>13132553
Mio always struck me as extremely likeable I didnt know she was among the unpopular
I mean I'm a filthy EOP clip watcher and her clips are rare but I'd think it's because clippers go for whales foe clicks

[Anonymous No.]

>>13132901
This anon knows what's up

[Anonymous No.]

>>13135605
>wave 2
Back to your containment thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>13113941
See pic related

[Anonymous No.]

>>13138355
>Not Ame, Ollie, Miko, and Okayu

[Anonymous No.]

Fubuki by far.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13138493
They weren't on a building in akiba so no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13138722
>Fubuki and Gura have never even interacted before not even in giant collabs

FBK was so clearly excited to collab with Ina that one time too, and they had to cut the stream off early for something I forget

[Anonymous No.]

>>13138722
>Akiba posting anytime after 2019
They probably got a discount on buying 4 office spaces, get 1 free with how desperate the zone is for money

[Anonymous No.]

>>13139313
so where's Ame, Ollie, Miko, and Okayu's building sized poster?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13137984
Actually it is true anon, Coco talked about EN branch ( America branch ) with Yagoo.
Hololive not so corporative at that time.
Coco even want HololiveES and joking about it.

Sauce : Asacoco 1.0 , Coco Kaine

[Anonymous No.]

>>13139804
Convincing is a strong word, more like she pushed the idea.

[Anonymous No.]

Holostars without them Holo girls will be depressed resulting to graduations and underperforming

[Anonymous No.]

>>13137984
NTA but nips really not understand EN's bussiness at all and Coco was who talked with Yagoo about possibility in EN audiences and she advertised it. She love HololiveEN like her' children.

She talked about this in SC reading time but I forget timestamp so you should find it yourself.

In her memberstream, Coco asked us personally for support her kouhais and HololiveEN after she quited.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13137984
https://youtu.be/goG5hQgSWOY
I think Mori talk with Coco before debut

[Anonymous No.]

>>13137984
Yes, they are

https://youtu.be/1I43s0oFbbk

[Anonymous No.]

>>13139804
>EN branch ( America branch )
There are more Canadians than Americans in the EN branch

[Anonymous No.]

>>13140477
>Calli is a Tatsunoko
Her music might be cringe but holy fuck she's based

[Anonymous No.]

>>13141128
Coco has American blood so she advertised as American

[Anonymous No.]

>>13113941
Coco was the biggest piller and it's not even close. She was literally the biggest cash cow. The biggest influence within hololive (Family Dynamic). And the biggest influencer on the entire Vtubers sphere (redefined Vtuber culture).

At this point I am not even surprised that the Vsinger/EN2 are both considered collosal failures of a branch. It also doesn't help that they debut only a few months after Coco's graduation. Meanwhile Coco's roommates already has one million subscribers. Rumao Rumao.

At least now we know who was responsible for holoMyths massive success. It wasn't because of Omega & her band of incompetent EN managers. It wasn't Gura or Mori. No. It was actually Kiryu Coco AKA CHADryu CHADco I kneel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13113941
Literal pilars

[Anonymous No.]

>>13141352
Coco had an idea that isn't what actually happened, that she didn't help make happen, and that was certainly already on HQ's mind.

I get that people like her. She did not make EN happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>who would hypothetically cause the most damage if they left?
>the one who actually did leave and literally nothing changed!

[Anonymous No.]

Gura is the Bitcoin of the EN market.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13141601
Unironically these two indeed

[Anonymous No.]

>>13115791
>month long celebration
>big graduation stream
>still mentioned today
>fired

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBgAXyb3Vbg

[Anonymous No.]

Is GURA popular in japan??

[Anonymous No.]

>>13141629
Rewriting history are we anon?? Let me put things plainly for you anon. It is December 2019. Coco debuts and catches up to her senpais sub numbers within only a month. She advertises/promotes her colleagues on Asacoco. Hololive profits.
Before Gen4. Pekora, Marine and the entirety of gen3 were literal "Who!??"
After Gen4. Pekora, Marine and hololive in general all get a massive boost. I wonder what could've triggered it? Asacoco perhaps? I'm not sure though. Maybe Coco's manager was lying when she said that Asacoco was mainly benefiting hololives growth and coco's. Yeah...

[Anonymous No.]

>>13141629
Watch her stream anon. She made it happened. She was parted of it

[Anonymous No.]

>>13141991
Ah yes, perfect explanation of how EN happened. Thank you. Very cool.

>>13142021
Holy shit, mate, learn English.

[Anonymous No.]

Miko is the heart and Soul of Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13113941
Friend made meme clips that catapulted her to a million subscribers. Goddog made memes that catapulted her to a million subscribers. Pegora leached of Moona and that's what catapulted her towards a million subscribers. Reddit shark aka Gura, leeched off the hololive brand and that's what catapulted her to a million subscribers. Coco cultivated then leeched from Reddit fags, Taiwan fags and burger fags.
>Who is final yab piller
Coco. Easily.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13141660
>literally nothing changed!
EN went down the shitter when Coco left and Omegatranny assumed totalitarian direct control. Council was a failure because of him, and Myth (with the exemption of chink whore Ina) hates his guts

>>13141729
Japanese companies don't technically "fire" their employees retard. They ruthlessly bully them until they are forced to quit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banishment_room

[Anonymous No.]

>>13141629
> Fubuki's burger meme with Coco
> Miko's freedom lady meme with Coco
> Haato English was destroyed meme with Coco
> Coco x Korone Raddish Meme Review
> I am horny came from Coco
> Coco teach Chikubi to Ame, Ame teach Chikubi to Gura. TKB MEME
> Pekora is comedian meme
> Almond Pekora's meme
> Hip attack meme for Aki

Everything she did help HololiveEN born and bring EN audiences together.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13142115
What did you expect from a /vt/ schizo. Ignorance is a hell of a drug. HoloEn still only exist because of coco though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13142279
You forget
> I am barfing wolf meme

[Anonymous No.]

Are you retarded? Hololive has enough talent, that even if someone like Pekora left it wouldn't collaspe...

People who make up shit like pillars, are just looking for shit ways to say my oshi is the best

[Anonymous No.]

Why does this thread smell like butthurt chink chang?

[Anonymous No.]

Also if someone like Pekora or Marine left, people would merely move on. Maybe some would leave but hololive would easily continue even if a couple of the most popular idols left.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13113941
final yab tier: sora, pekora, marine, fubuki
shit has gotten real tier: korone, aqua, rushia, subaru, suisei, gura
you dun goofed tier: majority of the others
month of shitposting tier: mel, choco, matsuri, aki, ayame, luna, flare

RAID BOSS TIER: chris and aloe team up to pull a kyoani on the cover office, coco learns of this dastardly plot beforehand through yakuza connections and perishes in the blaze evacuating staff with yagoo, who's critically injured and left in a coma

[Anonymous No.]

>>13142739
No, Marine is in the "energizes the other holos" tier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13143564
It doesn't mean Hololive would collapse lol .

Marine isn't a part of every stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13142630
It'd be a really bad idea for a chink to make this thread as it's already been handily proven that Hololive can survive just fine without their entire branch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13141955
Very
I saw many cheeks mousepad tweeted by JP bros

[Anonymous No.]

Fubuki clippers and Korone created the English audience. Coco did not. You just noticed Coco first because they created a market that she helped fill a little.

Omega and Yagoo created the branch. Not Coco. She's not a fucking manager. She didn't do jack shit. She didn't make Myth succeed when she had zero interaction with them until she was about to leave.

Quit your bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13143789
Coco chilled and advertised HoloMyth before they debuted very long time ago.
She even promoted them in her stream and Reddit meme review and Asacoco.

Don't rewrite history because you hate her Chink.

Just Fubuki's scatman did not make EN audiences stay and Korone's Ekkum Bakuum was happened after EN boom.

Coco make HoloMyth success before they debut in the first place

[Anonymous No.]

>>13142564
My oshi is Aki but she is not pillar

[Anonymous No.]

>>13143789
Coco + Reddit Meme Review+ Asacoco did

[Anonymous No.]

>>13114002
Muhammad you already fingered her you proved your point.

[Anonymous No.]

My opinion

> HololiveEN was born because Reddit

[Anonymous No.]

Fubuki, Korone, and Marine are the ones that come to mind, I’m stretching a little bit with the last two for for JP at least Fubuki is the main foundation

[Anonymous No.]

>>13134393
>Mori doesn't care about hololive
>Mori "5% is my all" Calliope
>Mori not renewing when the contract is up
Watching that Minecraft endurance for 10hours has slained all rrats. Mori loves hololive. Not even a deadbeat, only watched it for Ina

[Anonymous No.]

>>13143789
>rewriting history
If we would apply your logic, then we can say Miko created HoloEN by saying nigger. Fubuki and Korone's streams mean nothing because guess what: during their time, the monopoly on Hololive EN audience was still controlled by Clippers. It was Coco who made an active effort to directly bridge the JP and EN audience. This marked the era when EOPs switched from simply watching clips, to actually watching streams.

And never trust the word of the transgender abomination.

[Anonymous No.]

A half dozen Holos contributed to creating the buzz that resulted in Holo EN debuting to a wave of interest and popularity. That doesn't mean that are critical or indispensable to the company now. Hell, Matsuri was one of them and if she disappeared today barely anyone would even notice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13144547
This and unironically

>>13143789
This retard forget about Coco english stream with Hololive's members.

https://youtu.be/v7iiFcN5eI0

[Anonymous No.]

>>13137984
No, but they do need someone who actually spoke English within.
>>13140477
>>13141143
Didn't watch debut because rap filter.

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>>13141601
KEK

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>>13144547
Walt Disney created HoloEN. Without him, Tezuka would've never created the stylized cartoony designs that eventually became the basis for anime. Without anime, there would be no Hatsune Miku, no Kizuna Ai and no Hololive.

Disney paved the way for an entire generation of English speakers to become anime fans, creating a fertile ground for an English-speaking vtuber group to succeed.

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>>13147250
Anon it was literally coco's idea for an english branch

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Grapee interview article is the only canon for HoloEN's creation. Tatsunokos need to stop coping.

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>>13147448
Canon only your ass and I am Deadbeat

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>>13147448
Grape interview was made on April 2021, when Coco was starting to plan her Graduation. Pretty fucking sus.

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>>13147340
Coco is nothing next to Walt Disney.

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>>13147661
Not Waltz disney but China made HololiveEN!

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>>13141601
Thread over, this guy won desu lads

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>>13148300
Agree

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>>13141660
More Coco collabs with EN would've been an unprecedented buff
Let's not kid ourselves they are growing and are hbig already but with coco they'd all be even bigger

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>>13113941
To be honest - noone. There are really important members. And really popular ones. But even if like half of Hololive members would die in some accidental (or purposeful) fire during some mega collab filming, or something - people would just switch to other ones. Everyone are replaceable, even if some are extremely important for Hololive.

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>>13148723
This, the fuck do I give if Pekora or Gura got thrown in the bin? I don't watch either and at worse it means I miss out on some collabs. All this talk of muh soul and being such a special part of the company. It doesn't mean anything, cover are selling multiple separate products here.

Even with a mass exodus cover would just hire new girls. People act like brands are this unstable thing. In reality people will stick to the brand they know even when it goes to shit, and maybe follow their favourite's roommate. The worst thing that can happen is not being "it" any more, but not being it doesn't mean you are dead.

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>saw a clip of Holos reacting to the Korone Evil game meme
>kind of funny I guess and bored, decide to take some time to watch a few of the streams
>Luna avatar in 3D
>Hand movement for some of them
>barely recognize Choco or Roboco voices.
Is it me or aren't their voice deeper? Also did Choco always had that yankee-ish tone of speech? And what's with all the avatar progress? How fucking long have I been asleep here?

Also
>no reaction Sora
Damn. Everytime I try to update myself on Sora she acts more and more like A-Chan.

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>>13148723
>>13148953
The day my Oshi retires (or dies as you put it) is the day I stop watching Vtubers. Don't assume everyone is as fickle as you.

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>>13148723
I almost stop watch Vtuber when Coco graduated

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>>13148723
>half of Hololive members would die in some accidental (or purposeful) fire
Accidental death is one thing, imagine if they all quit to join Kson or Nijisanji.

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>>13150221
Yeah, some people will leave if their oshi will retire, but still lots of people will remain here. Numbers for other vtubers won't change much, because who watches someone else already than their oshi - are interested in other ones as well. Sure there are people, who only watch their oshi - but they won't really affect numbers on other members, it seems.

>>13151407
Yeah, if some vtubers would unite against Hololive - sure. But I don't see anything like that happening soon. Coco was "solved" in a "calm" way - others would also retire one by one. But yeah - in hypothetical scenario that Hololive vtubers would unite - it can hit Hololive. It wouldn't have to necessary come from pillars, though. Like some 10 mid tier Hololive vtubers could do it. And like 3 top uniting against Hololive could be not enough. But who knows - maybe it'd be, to at least cause shitstorm.

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>>13148953
>People stuck to brands even when they go to shit
This anon gets it. Anons are heavily underestimating the power of brand.

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Every single one of the streamers are replaceable. Check the numberfag threads for viewership. The peaks pekora and gura and cali bring are ofc important but nothing that will risk bankrupt the org.

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>>13113941
None, because at this point the brand is carried by itself and not the people

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>>13141955
Yes, and Mori.

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What is with these replies that popular members that generate a revenue of new fans are not important?

Sure, if only one of them graduates, it'll leave a small dent but Hololive can move on and recover from that. But what if in one year three of those popular members graduate and then the next year two? Hololive would be dead in the water. Their popularity won't fade immediately, it will takes years actually, but only in hindsight would you realize what Hololive's turning point towards decline was.

You are delusional if you don't think Hololive doesn't have a core set of members that are ensuring Hololive consistently captures new fans (or keeps them). Either way these are my nominees + Gura/Mori for HoloEN.

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>>13153861
Hololive was popular among niche audiences even before EN boom though.

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HoloEN could all graduate today and absolutely nothing would change. Anyone saying anything about someone from EN being a pillar is delusional and this coming from a filthy EOP who will never be Japanese.

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>objective fact which i don't like
>rEwRiTe HiStOrY

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>>13147448
>grapee
literally who?

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>>13153861
>that generate a revenue of new fans
Cause they all generate a revenue of new fans, and money. Hololive is not 10 big tubers and a bunch of 2views. It is endless powerhouses by streamer standard. But more than that it is about the huge variety in appeals and talent. Some are good for clips, some are good at shilling, some do GFE, some focus on music, some make big collabs happen, etc. It is not about a set of core talents but big network of varied ones.

So anyone judging like you do will one day be arguing that Hololive could never survive without gen 8.

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>>13117529
>>13117015
>>13117055
He's right, morale with the company if those two leave would plummet

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>>13155813
New blood would come to replace them in a month or two and the rebuild would start

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>>13113941
Pic related, without her holoEN will fall into crumbles. She is the brain of EN branch

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>>13156237
Ame is the least significant person in EN. Jo’s literally forgot she existed outside of the few she collabs with.

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>>13156237
Nah she's just /vt/s favorite

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>>13156090
They couldn't even do that with Council

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>>13155723
>But more than that it is about the huge variety in appeals and talent. Some are good for clips, some are good at shilling, some do GFE, some focus on music, some make big collabs happen, etc.
You're describing what you (and other fans) like about Hololive. This is all true. A big group should have different types of people and different venues for fans to get into Hololive (for example a Hololive good at ASMR could bring in ASMR fans into Hololive).

>Cause they all generate a revenue of new fans, and money.
True but you agree they do that at different rates surely. Purely hypothetical numbers but let's say Pekora/Marine bring in 1000 new fans every week and Mio/Mel bring in 100 new fans. You're right that no matter which member recruits the fan it's a net positive for Hololive because most people will check out at least one other streamer. Now Pekora/Marine graduate. You still get the 100 new fans from Mio/Mel but the tap that was gushing with water has now been turned down by a big notch. As heavy hitters leave you'll be left with the low/mid recruiters (unless you find replacements for them). Keep in mind the fanbases of the popular members also consist of a portion that are solely dedicated to them. If the member leaves so does the fan.

After being a JP idol fan for over a decade I've seen this happen multiple times. To stay relevant the existing core set of popular members need to keep challenging themselves and if they do start leaving space out the graduations enough so you can recover and find a replacement (either by another existing member who has proven themselves lately by building up their skills/fanbase or by investing into new talent with the same potential to reach that level after a year or two)

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>>13137951
Retard

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>>13113941
EN: Gura
JP: Korone, Pekora, maybe Aqua
ID: Irrelevant

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I don't think one or two leaving would severely impact Hololive, like Coco was definitely a pillar.

But if a combination of 4 or more of Pekora, Marine, Korone, Miko, Aqua, Fubuki, Subaru and Rushia left due to some final yab, it would fuck hololive for a long time if not forever.

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Fubuki
any other answer is irrelevant and retarded, if Fubuki leaves, everyone leaves.

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>>13162213
>if Fubuki leaves, everyone leaves
I think most of them wouldn't leave, they'd just cease to be effective. A chicken can survive a short time without its head.

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>>13161571
>You're describing what you (and other fans) like about Hololive
I'm describing why the brand is successful. It isn't dependent on pillars, it is not a few people carrying the company. If your idea was right they'd only focus on a few girls with loads of support. Instead they expand at a good place curating who they think can fill a niche, but generally not supporting anyone that much.

>but you agree they do that at different rates surely
Your whole thing is built on guessing numbers, while downgrading pillars to somewhat higher growth so already admitting it is bull. We didn't see some overall drop off in subs cause Coco left, especially compared to other companies. You are looking at this is such a basic way, you can't say X is always bringing in so many. Sometimes they have a bad week while another has a really good one. Your last bit is just rephrasing mine, they are not irreplaceable or eternally appealing. This is exactly why if anything is the pillar it is variety.

>If the member leaves so does the fan.
You really don't get brand loyalty. It has taken Blizzard a decade of awful decisions to dent the company.

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>>13135767
seethe chink
she will never achnowledge you faggots

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>>13137737
bullshit
how is miko or fubuki more important than aqua?

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>>13135774
>Aquafags who spammed Coco
can you think for yorself instead of repeating rrats? Aqua has been spammed too retard

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>>13113941
Don't think any one single member would have that impact now. I think there is enough overlap in every fanbase that even if one of the more popular ones were to leave, their fans have a second and third option to switch over to. Would their be a period of grieving? Sure. Could they grow bored of vtubing in general and leave? Sure, but I don't think it will be tied distinctly to the departure of their oshi.

Pretty much, I think Hololive setting themselves up as a Unity family has paid off in spades for them and there are enough safety nets to catch dropping fans due to graduations that it will be next to impossible to see a mass exodus of any one fanbase all at once.

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>>13113941
>Who are the pillars of Hololive as a brand?
Roberu

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>>13137854
How exactly are they copying EN?

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>>13161949
ID needs some pillars

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This is all just devolving into "My oshi is the pillar that supports hololive and if she's gone, hololive is fucking DEAD"
In reality no company is going to fall over if a few employees leave. Sure, it'll be a loss, but the company isn't going to lose its entire established customer base. It'll recover in time and new hires will fill the gaps bringing in new customers

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>>13164761
they're not. EN is literally a novelty branch to JP, so they can say I have friends who are foreigners. Except for a small handful of JP, Most of JP doesn't give an actual shit about EN. I mean you could replace the person behind Ame and Miko would still assault her only because she is blonde.

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>>13166790
At the same time I doubt all of Jp cares about each other, they have all split off into groups and a lot barely interact with each other if not never.

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>>13114744
Nah, Gura is one of the most popular holos, but no one in JP would cry for her since she never established deep bonds with them. Meanwhile holos like Marine or Fubuki would create a worse meltdown than Coco's graduation (Fubuki the most)

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>>13133821
Honestly I don't see the same respect towards Fubuki than Sora. I'm pretty sure they would lose motivation, but there are idols who wouldn't give up like Suisei or AzKi who would try to keep their idol motivations up. Fubuki has deep connections with almost everyone, their lose would be by far more devastating than Sora unless they have some deep hidden connection with her they never shown on stream.

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>>13114002
Nice name

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>>13116812
I haven't memorized this AO criteria. What bone does it cover?

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>>13162890
Aquafags in China spam Coco because they blame Coco about they can not watch new Aqua's costume in October last year.

Aquafags stop spam Coco because Chink's nationalist want them spam Aqua to but they refuse and use Aqua' neutral stance as shield.

That why Artia discordfags want to destroy Aqua's neutral stand in single point of time.

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>>13162543
Thae because Coco graduated she still exist as Kson and she still live in the house with Kanata. She still be loved and love everyone in Hololive. She even destroyed Historian for them

Holobronies found solace about Coco's graduated with this fact.

But if another pillar graduate unlike Coco's graduate.....

Only time will tell

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>>13152906
Brand loyalty goes a very long way

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>>13116812
Anon do you know how fucking respected you need to be to have every single Hololiver participate in an event that you organised?

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>>13114167
>That's why none of the ENs matter, and why JPs like Pekora aren't critical to Hololive's continuation.
Baffling post

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>>13177403
> Collab fee

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Was Coco important, absolutely. Was she AS important as some Cocofags say, no.
>>13113941
Absolutely FBK. She's been the most important pillar since fucking forever even after deciding to take last year.
>>13141991
Again, its not Coco existing that shot up Hololive. By the time Asacoco started, Hololive was already speeding up in growth due to COVID/algorithm+clippers. She helped push the growth but the same could be said of the other talents. Azur Lane is a bigger contributor to Coco since thats what got the chinks onto the Hololive train to make clips/memes. The yagoo shit and his dreams and blood pressure jokes started with the zhangs. Shame that they were fucking traitors.
>>13144303
Korone already had xpotato before Ekkum Beekum you fucking newfag. The dog was already rising before Banjo. FBK was one of the earliest to try and speak EN (other is Haato who did it more for studying rather than pandering to EN viewers) with her stupid bacon shit when they noticed the increase in 2020.
>>13144547
The fuck are you smoking? Nobody gave a shit about a bridge between JP and EN audiences. EOPs were watching and shitting up chat and anons on /jp/ were complaining early during the boom already. People telling Korone to sleep, shocking the girls by being so forward about wanting to marry them, etc. Even during the sexbot era there were already EOPs in streams being shitters.
>>13162812
FBK definitely is more improtant than Aqua. No idea about Miko. If Miko is seen as important then so is Pekora and some others.
>>13162080
I feel like any sankisei leaving would be a hit because they are such a unit. I'd say FBK/Aqua/ Coco/the sankisei as a group are pillars. Most anons don't give FBK/Aqua enough respect because they came in late 2020 or when HoloEN became a thing.