/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Bros...is it over...did we beat N*x?

https://medium.com/@gunrun/addressing-security-accusations-2ce5e0b554cd

[Anonymous No.]

I don't know what the fuck happened, but he did nothing wrong and everything right because I hate Vwhores.

[Anonymous No.]

you need to beat twitter cunts first before beating this cunt

[Anonymous No.]

but why is he sans undertale

[Anonymous No.]

>>13677771
Nyanners told us to stick a 3 foot pole up our ass

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>>13677771
>is it over
If people dont buy the VSJ apology (and they shouldnt because it is just passive aggressive bitching and dodging the actual issue) and other dramatubers small potential for more clicks we might be in for another shitstorm
You can already See this in the replies to the apology

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>>13677771
>Don't actually provide a single cap where they ask Nux not to release it, nor a single cap indicating that Nux is going to upload it within half an hour like they claimed (yet was still capable of making edits to it at their requests in this time?)
>Don't do anything to address how their ridiculous decision to stay quiet and not make any public statement about the fake website and phishing going on allowed people to be targeted by it
Both sides are retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

Please discuss whether or not Vshojo told him not to post the video. Because it’s such an interesting question.

[Anonymous No.]

>people unironically defending Nux after the BASEDrun drops this

Face it. You hate Vshojo because they're successful. You would even go as far as siding with a jew if it meant they suffered.

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>>13678218
There never was a discussion, just the VSJ defense force trying desperatly to deflect and distract

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>>13678238
>Vshojo fans are antisemites
There it is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13677771
Imo this is an "old internet" vs "new internet" drama.

Old internet doesn't believe the authorities can do shit about dox and scammers and as such would rather just fight back, tell the doxers to fuck off, and point a spotlight on them so that they either run and hide or can't target anybody since their cover is blown.

New internet believes in the hate speech and malicious actions are bad and that you CAN do something with the authorities and therefore should always refer to them. This is why you see so many people on twitter always doing @Police or @jack @twitterSupport when you argue with them and say something that makes them upset. Rather than standing on their own they think that the higher authorities will solve the problem.

Nux is old internet, "Doxxers are bad, Everybody point and laugh at them, heck I even doxed him back. Watch him hide or try to fight me lmao"

Vshojo is new internet "Um excuse me we were contacting the police and we were 100% convinced the police would eventually arrest these people and you ruined it so now I can't hide behind the authorities. Therefore you are the bad person here even though you solved the problem in your own way"

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>>13678238
>You hate Vshojo because they're successful
No, I hate them because they are disingenous faggots
>Siding with a nee
The right tool for the right time

[Anonymous No.]

>>13678238
>You would even go as far as siding with a jew if it meant they suffered.
Yes.

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>>13678218
Management never said no they actually thanked him for video until nyanners sperged put. Either way assuming the girls weren't pretending to be drama queens management told them for twitter attack after video not before video.

[Anonymous No.]

Yes it did now stfu bitch, move on.

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>>13678177
Not sure where this narrative of "no receipts for the 30 minute claim" keeps popping up when it's right there.
Not even siding with them but he did try to impose an expedited time limit on them.

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>>13678344
vshojo fans are based??

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>>13677771
what you just said confirms that vshojo hid a security issue for months and that nyanners lied about everything, also that the reddit statement is also false
dont care vshojo is a shit company and the industry collectively blacklisting them is completely justified

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>>13678564
Ngl im impressed by his ability to edit that quickly if within the 30 minutes they complained about stuff and he immediately fixed it and uploaded the video

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>>13678564
that was for the statement they were already talking prior. this was after they had multiple discussions

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>>13678564
>i would like to post this video in 30 minutes
>dont worry ill wait
Where is the part where he's saying "fuck you guys, 30 minutes is all you get"? More importantly, why do they support him doing this instead of saying "hold the fuck up"?

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>>13678591
>the industry
3 spergs on /vt/ does not an industry make

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>>13678570
As based as gamerghazi subreddit users get.

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>>13678656
"ill wait a few more minutes"
That isn't the same thing as "don't worry ill wait" that's maybe 5 minutes extra.

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>>13678745
read >>13678639

[Anonymous No.]

Whats interesting about this drama is that the only people arguing in good-ish faith are nux and the Vshojo CEO. They're outright having a back and fourth about the facts on their respective sides and not taking any pot-shots at unrelated shit.

Meanwhile all the girls are attacking nux as a person. Claiming hes betraying their trust, backstabbed their friendship etc. Even digging up his shitposting Superchats like when he made a logan paul joke on Snuffys video and then claiming that this is his "true nature all along he was scum" when they were sliding into his dms effectively 10 minutes before the video went up.

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>>13678745
Way to fail to understand that the reason he isn't seeing it as something serious that he should wait longer for is because ph0enix is encouraging him instead of challenging it.

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>>13678384
>spinning a literal zoomzooms as "old internet"
No fuck off. He's in a literal bitch crusade. Literal newfag SJW callout shit.

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>>13678463
That was sarcasm. It’s not actually an interacting question.

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>>13678656
The paid shills are lying to save Vshojos public image
Whats so hard for you retards to understand?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13677771
holy fuck do I have to filter "N*x" now even. Shut the fuck up

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>>13678875
Why do nuxfags say shit like this? My god are you people all pre-teens?

[Anonymous No.]

All I see is Western VTubing being fucked, and I see that as an absolute win.

[Anonymous No.]

How are the other companies reacting to vshoujo?
Are the collabs cancelled?
Make sure to let other know to stay away from this shitshow and to blacklist vshojo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13677771
He should have stayed out of Vtubers or stayed at the very edge. The guy literally was making top 10 Naruto and 7 Deadly Sins videos just a few years ago I am not sure why anyone gave him the time of day outside him worming his way into Melody's community.

>>13678384
It's complicated since you CAN do something about individuals but the amount of effort to get rid of one only goes so far when as soon as they are dealt with 10 more pop up. Delta has had legal charges brought down on harassers several times but still has to deal with them near constantly just over the last week she had to shoah nearly 10 people from her fanbox. Lulu realized this as well and it was the primary reason she choose to graduate.

The real question is how do we save Froot?

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>>13678868
Not old people, mentality.

People arguing with each other on the internet, pulling up dox, Ddos, etc, and gloating about your elite hax0r skills is peak old school how to deal with a threat. Even when its cringe.

Newfags literally only call whatever authority, whether its the police, or the mods, or the businesses people work for to get them fired. Appealing for somebody higher up to smite your opponent rather than fighting yourself.

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>>13678935
>a company would never lie when they get exposed for lying
I hope they are paying you enough to get through the winter, the streets of california can get very cold

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>>13678948
based

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>>13677771
Imagine if this continues to escalated and someone drags out all of Nyanners old shit into the public for juicy clicks.
Not just the loli stuff but all the racist voicelines and shit.
Even if 80% of people wouldnt give a shit pink fag would have to be placed on actual, literal suicide watch

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>>13678962
>Lulu realized this as well and it was the primary reason she choose to graduate.
She then immediately started streaming with her face instead, which made no sense with the given reasoning.

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>>13678384
When I tell a friend about Nux, I always describe him as “the living embodiment of the internet” so trying to weaponize the internet and cancel him is something akin to trying to drive Cthulhu insane by holding up a mirror. You’ve done nothing but by draw the attention of a power you cannot comprehend and you made yourself look stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

I have no idea who's in the right here. However most of this board is so incredibly biased against vshojo that I'm going to assume any accusations against them are likely being blown out of proportion. Also Nux has always been an attentionwhore so he can go fuck himself.
Anyways time to go watch some indies.

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>>13679054
Unfathomably based.

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>>13677771
Why did he claim he was happy it was behind us when he knew all they got was just a single dude of a group that are still active?

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>>13678384
Holy shit. Nux really is Batman with the personality of Joker

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>>13679054
>Hello guys I'm a totally unbiased new poster and not affiliated with the VSJ defense force

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>>13679054
Honestly, it all boils down to this.
You DO NOT fuck around when it comes to potential swatting. vShoujo knew people were getting scammed using their name/likeness since March because they didn't do the normal business thing of securing all major websites with their name (.org, .net, etc).
And despite this, they didn't release any sort of message at all warning people. It didn't need to be some breakdown or anything. Just a "Hey everyone, heads up. People are impersonating us. Please know that our website is this location, and any communication from us will only come from this email address".
Because they couldn't even do the bare minimum corporate due diligence, everything ends up being their fault.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13678952
No one's talking about it outside of /vt and Kiwifarms. Only dramafags want this to be something.

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>>13679181
see shit like this makes me think the Nux shills are legitimately either paranoid schizophrenics or flaming homosexuals. Probably both without knowing.

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>>13679291
Why should I shill blue jew?
I want both to burn, but VSJ has a lot more burning to do right now for this to be good

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>>13679054
it's really weird that /vt/ sides with nux but honestly vshojo talents just looked godawful here.

Not only is there no reason to start a bunch of drama over a stupid video, but they all coordinated together to tweet "disavowment" replies right within hours. The thing that really flipped me over was them bitching about how a video is threatening their safety? Like nigga just close your eyes

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>>13679291
no but they do love to unironically post cringe quotes on a black-and-white image of the Joker smoking

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>>13679276
Seeing clueless internet nerds give completely wrong cybersecurity advice never gets old
What they said is completely right, these people desire attention, so you never give it to them, if there isn't any threat to the public you don't make a public announcement about it

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>>13679437
>unironically post cringe quotes on a black-and-white image of the Joker smoking
Yeah that sounds about right

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>>13679100
>Posts a recording of the group himself
>They caught one
>"Yooo, this is totally behind us now because we got one of them!"

Where is the logic in celebrating this?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm not reading this right now, I just went to Twitter to see the reactions and people are demanding an apology to Nux
Now here's the thing: all this drama started because Nyanners sperged out and then all of her friends started throwing shit at Nux
Man, fuck everyone involved in this shit. Only Hololive and Nijisanji should be allowed to dominate Western vtubing alongside the few agencies shilled here

[Anonymous No.]

Where's the video itself?

[Anonymous No.]

Really seems like management did have discussions with Nux about the video, the girls claiming they asked Nux not to post it actually didn't, then after the girls blew up post-video release, management is now trying to basically stay in the middle because they don't want to expose their talent for lying or expose themselves to their talent for going behind their back

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>>13678238
>side with a jew
Never!

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>>13679040
It actually makes a lot of sense.
>removes the "challenge" of doxxing her
>removes the bureaucracy that a Corporate streamer has to go through when harassment occurs
>Japanese law is actually EXTREMELY strict and will fuck a person for trying to harass someones personal account
>Lulu just likes streaming in general
>showing her face actually helps get sponsorships

[Anonymous No.]

correct me if I'm wrong but this all could have been circumvented if jew didn't decide to jerk himself off and make an entire video to do so? Regardless of everything else, this is objective fact, no?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13679527
I don't really watch her anymore, but I can't deny Veibae is pretty based.

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>>13679527
>Pink fag ruins everything
It's almost like I have seen this before

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>>13679469
>if there isn't any threat to the public you don't make a public announcement about it
Except the entire problem here is that there was a threat to the public, you stupid fuck.

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>>13679527
Those replies are already being deleted left and right once another hitpiece dropped that exposed Vshojo for lying about everything and that Nyanners is a piece of shit

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>>13679291
Please nux doesn't have generals on this board, vshojo does. It's clear you simps keep trying to push some stupid narrative that some band of discord bros raiding you

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>>13677771

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>>13679652
>there was a threat to the public
No there wasn't
read the fucking OP

[Anonymous No.]

>>13679527
>Im disappointed
>Im disappointed
>Im hurt
>Waa
>WAAA

And then vei comes in with the clown video
Don't think she got the message that it was supposed to be guilt trip tweets. Still based

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>>13678384
The doxxer was laughing his ass off at the proof nux had.

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>>13679638
A very misinformed video but generally, yes.

[Anonymous No.]

I've seen some pretty sloppy campaigns here on /vt/, but you nux faggots are just embarrassing

[Anonymous No.]

>>13679716
And then you keep going back and fourth until they either get bored or somebody backs off. Internet wars can be over in less than a day or take years with grudge matches galore

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>>13679052
Your nuxsucking is cringe

[Anonymous No.]

>>13679671
>>13679718
see, one person gives me a response, the other doesnt. That tells me more than enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13679716
They are still now mocking him on one of their channels for thinking he got them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13679469
>if there isn't any threat to the public you don't make a public announcement about it
But there is, at least one confirmed person got doxxed and swatted

[Anonymous No.]

>>13679614
HERE HERE HERE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa0tdecwz84

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>>13679698
The OP that confirms that two people had already been targeted, one successfully, prior to the site getting taken down? Gee, it sure is a good thing it actually did get taken down, and the site didn't end up being left up there for a month in which to target people. I guess it's fine if they blatantly do the wrong thing if the results weren't that bad, like trying to stop someone from drowning by throwing rocks at them instead of a lifejacket and it working out because they ended up being able to stand on the rocks after you threw enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13679810
>Reality: Our cybersecurity team was able to work with law enforcement to obtain the target list from the threat actor. This list confirmed that only two phishing attempts were made. One to Nux and the other to Sakii.

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>>13679791
post it then

[Anonymous No.]

>>13679810
False. Vshojo themselves confirm that 12 people got doxxed but only "2 of them was because of us, the other 10 people got doxxed because of some other reason"
This is their own quote that you can see in their shitty lying statement

[Anonymous No.]

Why ruin the community with this shit? Let people enjoy their chuubas in peace.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13679842
>>13679843

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>>13679777
There was no public drama until pink girl pushed her "private" discord message followed by this buffoonery
>>13679527

[Anonymous No.]

doxxcord bros... did we lose?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13679819
>1 video
how do we know this is really him?

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>>13679424
My bank emailed me the other day saying there's scammers impersonating them with very well-crafted emails so be extra careful.

The Canada Revenue Agency release public statements almost yearly telling people about common scams that year impersonating them.

I feel like that's standard practice when you know about well crafted impersonation attacks going after your customers/fans/public.

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>>13679913
its standard practice everywhere. ignore the simps who pay money to whores with blown out vaginas.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13679913
They aren't going after their customers, fans or the public

[Anonymous No.]

>>13679819
This dude sounds like he somehow overdosed on weed

[Anonymous No.]

>>13679903
Doxxcord are the only ones winning something from this situation. Discussion has moved from trying to protect indies to checking Nux's innocence

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>>13679843
>Our cybersecurity team was able to work with law enforcement to obtain the target list from the threat actor.
If they KNEW that sakii was a victim why the fuck didn't they ask her what was up with her? Were they content with sending her one dm and getting one response but solving nothing? Sakii was completely pissed that they ended up doing nothing

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>>13679913
>comparing scammers to doxxers
are you retarded? Scammers are after money. Doxxers go after clout.

If you warn people about doxxers it'll attract more people doing it for clout.

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>>13679951
Correct, they are going for future fucking employees of Vshojo, so that suddenly makes it ok to let them get doxxed? You know the people that are potentially going to work for you?

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>>13678948
Kek

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>>13679850
>>13679819
One is literally this. Nux even showed this dudes name in his video claiming he is the one arrested.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13679989
>why the fuck didn't they ask her what was up with her?
they did
you're misinformed

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>>13679894
Thank you for agreeing with what I said.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680032
So Nux is lying about getting this guy arrested?
Why is no one talking about this?

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>>13680043
if they did, she wouldnt have gone to nux and asked for help and nux wouldnt have done the job of vshojo.

[Anonymous No.]

I want to use this thread to issue a thank you to Nyatasha Nyanners for bringing us such enjoyable drama.
If it hadnt been for your meltdown and lies we never would have gotten to have all this fun. Thank you again for this and the future drama that will stem from it

[Anonymous No.]

I just got out of /ggg/. Can I get a qrd on this retarded drama? This seems like something to laugh at

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680074
Cause his dumb followers believe him blindly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680043
You are lying

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680059
There was no threat to the public
They already knew who got phished and they took the domain down

[Anonymous No.]

>>13679951
Well they certainly werent targeting Sam's Club members.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680143
This was happening for months

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>>13680126
now post the second part.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680143
>They already knew who got phished and they took the domain down
Holy shit you're a legitimate retard, they didn't know who had been phished until after they got it taken down you fucking moron.

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>>13680126
Post the tweet right after that where she says she just didn't see the DMs because she was upset

[Anonymous No.]

People here aren't the ones perpetrating the doxing right? That's all the kiwifarms autists doing right?
Right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680106
VKeks in full damage control mode after trying to cancel someone based on lies because he made a Video that made them look bad and feel "insecure"

[Anonymous No.]

>>13678948
YWNBJ

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>>13680173
Nice picture dude, I can just imagine you tearing up and hyperventilating while zooming in on the word. Keep up the good work, I'm sure this will bring down Vshojo and pink cat for good after the epic as hell #NyannersRacism op didn't pan out too good.

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>>13680173
You're mixing up the context here
You're doing this deliberately to try and stir up shit
Get a life

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680173
Fucking this. They NEVER warned anybody they are being impersonated and targeted by a cyber attack for months
Of course paid shills will say that it doesnt matter and how muh poor nyanshit is the victim here

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>>13680197
That doesn't contradict what I said

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>>13680236
What about the Nyanners is a tranny legend? Did that work?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13678952
>vshojo fucking with jew going out in public

Wish the company good luck in dealing with other jews.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680043
Anon she was completely pissed that they ended up doing nothing after their initial message, even if she actually didn't send her last messages by accident, it is the RESPONSIBILITY of the company to make sure she's fine and helping her

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>>13680264
>paid shills
Lul. Slow anon thinks apricot, the CEO of vshojo, would pay people to do what they’re perfectly willing to do for free.

[Anonymous No.]

lol no. This shitshow will continue. Someone else will pick up the story, I'm pretty sure some turbo autists will find something new that either shits on the jew or the whores.

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>>13680315
It isn't the responsbility of the company because she's not part of the company and neither is the doxxer
And they did do something about the doxxer, so I'm not sure what the issue is

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680264
They did warn them though. After they video was made LMAO

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680126
Neck yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680215
Really? That's it? That's what all this shit flinging is about? Holy fuck you guys should just stick to hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680264
Why do you even care? I'm not sure exactly what you hope to gain from this. At?the end of the day, pink cat will still be rich.

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>>13680290
Yes it does, because you were using that as a justification for them not making a statement in the first place. Let me outline this process for you to help you understand:
What happened
>Vshojo finds out about a fake website intending to phish people
>Vshojo decides not to do anything because "hurr attention bad"
>Vshojo attempts to get the site shut down
>Before the site is shut down, one person is successfully phished and at least one other attempt is made
>Had the site not been shut down as early as it was, the situation could have ended up being significantly worse, and Vshojo had no way to tell how long it would take or how bad things would end up being

What should've happened
>Vshojo finds out about a fake website intending to phish people
>Vshojo puts out a statement saying that there's a fake website and not to trust it or emails not from their official address
>Vshojo attempts to get the site shut down
>The risk of anyone getting phished before the site is shut down is now significantly reduced

What part of this are you not getting? You do not excuse incompetence just because things didn't end up being worse this time.

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>>13680143
>There was no threat to the public

>>13651379 (OP)
Friendly reminder that vshojo.co and v-shojo.com are available for purchase right now by attackers.

Friendly reminder that the attackers could easily keep phishing on other domains, and that VShojo would have no way of knowing until it was too late.

The only way to stop this was to release a public statement about the phishers, which they had to be forced into doing.

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>>13680341
>it is not the responsibility of the airline company that terrorists hijacked the plane

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680341
>Responsible by law
No
>Responsible in a moral/ethical sense
Absolutely
But >we already knew that they were faggots without integrity and a MEMEME mentality

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680143
>There was no threat to the public

Friendly reminder that vshojo.co and v-shojo.com are available for purchase right now by attackers.

Friendly reminder that the attackers could easily keep phishing on other domains, and that VShojo would have no way of knowing until it was too late.

The only way to stop this was to release a public statement about the phishers, which they had to be forced into doing.

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>>13679993
Are you restarted? The goal of the scam doesn't matter because they couldn't have possibly known what the scammers ultimately wanted to do with people's private information, they basically took all the information necessary for identity theft.

"Oh guys we don't need to worry because the literal criminals said they're just doing it for clout and not money" is the stupidest take.

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>>13680264
>we must tell the entire internet that they're at risk
>especially that youtuber who shits out clickbait drama videos
>surely entrusting him with this info wouldn't backfire on us at all
maybe if nux wasn't a drama grubbing fagtuber

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>>13680201
The actual doxxers that are impersonating vshojo and causing mayhem are not kiwifarms.
The Kiwis dox but then only post the info on their site to talk about. They don't do schemes like impersonating companies
t. Guy who looked up every room-mate

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680502
>reddit spacing
go back to your cord, dramanigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>13678948
This

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>>13680444
Your timeline of events is wrong. They found out about the site BECAUSE it was used to phish people. How would they ever know about it before the crime was commited? Then when they found about it, they did something about it. Your idea that they should have put out a public statement is naive, for exactly the reasons they say

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>>13680341
>Have website
>Scammer makes very very very similar website

>We're not responsible for you clicking the wrong one
Legally no. And that makes sense cuz otherwise people would just make similar website to watch a company get sued to oblivion

But morally yes. Its extremely fucking scummy regardless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680074
the cybersecurity guy told nux that he had and acted on false information already. nux bowled over him and said it didn't matter because he still gets his message across even if it's wrong.

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>>13680529
>no argument
seethe harder vcuck

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>>13679993
Are you retarded? The goal of the scam doesn't matter because they couldn't have possibly known what the scammers ultimately wanted to do with people's private information, they basically took all the information necessary for identity theft.

"Oh guys we don't need to worry because the literal criminals said they're just doing it for clout and not money" is the stupidest take.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680486
Vshojo didn't have their domain hijacked. Someone registered a domain that looked like theirs

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680577
Morally no, it's got nothing to fucking do with you. You'd be being an asshole if you didn't help someone who clicked on the wrong one, but it's still not your obligation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13678238
>Side with the jews
Oh fuck no. Those pointy nose money hungry goblin aint getting anything from me

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680575
How do you still insist on missing the point this badly? No fucking shit Nux and the girl got phished, we fucking know that already, you continue to fail to register that Vshojo did not attempt to make the phishing attempts known while working to shut it down, leaving other people at risk in the meantime.
Never mind how incompetent they were to not have that domain registered to begin with, especially as this was AFTER vshojo.net had already been used for spreading doxx earlier this year.

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>>13680609
>they basically took all the information necessary for identity theft.
no they didnt they just doxxed them

[Anonymous No.]

>>13677771
This has to be one of the largest deflects and dodging ive seen in a long ass time.
Lawyers did a real good job making sure it looked like it was written by lawyers.

[Anonymous No.]

purge are you here check the 'gram

[Anonymous No.]

>why didnt vshojo warnt people not to go to the website they already took down?

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>>13680707
>Vshojo did not attempt to make the phishing attempts known while working to shut it down,
there's a very good reason why you don't do that

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680669
>You'd be being an asshole if you didn't help someone who clicked on the wrong one, but it's still not your obligation.
>You'd be the asshole

Okay. But they shouldn't get mad and cause a coordinated hate campaign when somebody ELSE like nux says "hey, there's a thing going on with clicking the wrong one, the company isn't letting you know so i will"
Because "its not your obligation"

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680767
Because they care more about playing detective than making sure more people aren't affected, yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680789
>hey, there's a thing going on with clicking the wrong one
This was not a public threat. Nobody was "clicking on the wrong link". Someone was using the domain to send out emails to specific people impersonation Vshojo

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680830
You're missing my point.

If the company says "its no my problem" and somebody else says "ok, i will make it my problem and fix it" the company shouldn't be butthurt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680804
You're an idiot

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680830
The site was constructed and accessible and had entry forms on it, so no, a person "clicking on the wrong link" could also have been affected.

[Anonymous No.]

Will follow froot and zen and give them the benefit of a doubt that haruka didnt influence them for their apologies besides the rest of the cast being prideful bitches.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680892
No it didn't though

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680888
that's not what happened in this case because the company both did something to get the scammer and reached out to the people being affected so I'm not sure what your point is

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680892
they would have had to type vshojo.org into their browser instead of vshojo.com or whatever their main website is so it's still fairly unlikely especially given the timeframe

[Anonymous No.]

>>13678948
B-Basado!

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680935
Except the thing the company did was insufficient from the start, see >>13680502

The only proper choice from the start was to make a public statement, despite what shitty VShojo execs would have you believe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680935
>and reached out to the people being affected
Hang on didn't you just say its not the responsibility of the company?
>>13680521
But now they're taking responsibility i guess.

So now, instead of warning people "DO NOT FALL FOR SCAM" they are WAITING for people to fall for the scam and then reaching out to them later.
So they're using these 2views as unwilling bait.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680999
your two points are unrelated
they could have registered similar domains, but there's a million slight permutations you can make of a domain name, it's unrealistic to catch them all
and that has nothing to do with whether making a public statement is the right move or not (it's not)
it sounds like you have an unreasonable bias

[Anonymous No.]

>>13678952
((()))
Big surprise

[Anonymous No.]

>>13677771
Does Ironmouse have over 1mil subs yet? Nux has over 2mil.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680716
Basically they sat down and said "we need a timeline that doesn't call Nux a liar but also doesn't piss off our talent."

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681032
>>13680935

Fuck linked wrong thing
>>13680341
This is the post where it "isn't the responsibility of the company"

[Anonymous No.]

The most surprising thing I learned from this is Vshojo has management

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681032
>Hang on didn't you just say its not the responsibility of the company?
yes, but they did it anyway
so what are you complaining about?
they didnt use anyone as bait. they found out about it after it happened, caught the guy, and it didn't happen again. what's the problem?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680935
One, sakii received NO help until she made up a stink on twitter
Two, Nux reached out to them not the other way, and there was no way they could have known that he responded to the scammers, just like there's no way they can know about anyone else that did the same but haven't contacted them
You can't just assume that ALL the affected people will contact you, imagine that there was someone like nux but instead of doing it for helping (and clout) they did it to try to fuck up vshojo and suing them, vshojo doesn't have any defense since they didn't warn the public

[Anonymous No.]

cordbros why is nobody buying our "vshojo is using indies as bait" even after 3 days of dedicated shitposting, did we fail?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681053
>it's unrealistic to catch them all

That's why making a public statement was the only move that made any sense.

You can't stop every domain, so you warn the public instead through every avenue available.

If there's a road that ends in a cliff and you can't get build a bridge, you warn people about the cliff.

[Anonymous No.]

Nux hopefully learned that hoes whose job and pay check are being peoples fake friend/girlfriend are probably deceptive and not real friends.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681053
>it's not right to make a statement that would prevent more victims because that statement would make the attacker try to get more victims that they can't do because the statement helped to prevent that
this is your brain on vshojo

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681095
>they didnt use anyone as bait. they found out about it after it happened, caught the guy, and it didn't happen again. what's the problem?
What the fuck are you smoking?

They specifically state in their replies to nux that he allegedly fucked up their entire investigation because they DIDNT catch the guy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681084
honestly same

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681124
If neither of them contacted vshojo then how would they ever have known that phishing attempts were taking place?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681143
by "caught" I mean they indentified him and got him to give him a list of people he doxxed, and they took the domain name. They're still working on getting him arrested

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681159
By their own account they have known this for months, the doxxers are vshojo's personal doxxers that have been bothering them since nyanners' time

[Anonymous No.]

Nuxfags away

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681131
It only makes sense if you know nothing about cybersecurity or criminality in general
I can understand why you would think that, but it's still wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681143
>blaming a failed investigation on one faggot making a video saying the authorities are after him

There was zero chance you were going to catch a bunch of underage faggots in a third-world shithole like Brazil for cybercrimes. Nux didn't help, but this investigation was doomed from the start.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13677771
So did he become a criminal now or what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13677839
Absolutely this. I can't believe anons here have short term memory this dreadful. Have you all forgotten the lengths we had to go through to convince Cover to not let Kiara collab with that backstabbing skag Veibae??????


Fuck Vshojo. Imagining dog piling on your "friend" PUBLICLY FOR ALL TO SEE. At this point I am asking myself if they even considered Nux a friend. If they were that quick to turn on Nux. Literally the person who made some of them relevant and popular. Then that it is pretty obvious that they'll end up turning on each other. Vshojo's final yab. Kson is making a huge mistake by collabing with those sesame neon coloured muppets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681217
you should read the OP, because you're misunderstanding the basic facts

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa0tdecwz84

Is Nux finished?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681249
He's being severely tortured on the internet for making pink cat angry
Everything else is secondary to this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681284
good, Nux is a stupid fag

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681217
Given that Vshojo indicated that the culprit was underage, it's rather unlikely that it's the same guy who was harassing Nyanners 9 years ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681084
VShojo is a "talent first" agency which basically means management is only there to take care of marketing and merchandise and broker events or larger collabs if needed. They're not like Hololive where management actually manages talent. I think that's probably part of the reason the talent wasn't involved in discussions about this video pre-release, because management saw it as a PR issue which is typically 100% under their purview.

Then talent exploded about it so they're trying to walk back their involvement while not accusing Nux of lying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681229
>no argument for why it's wrong, just "you're wrong"

I can't argue with someone who doesn't present an argument, so either present one or fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

Uh Niji bros...

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681337
If you give a criminal attention for commiting a crime, you are validating them and encouraging them to continue doing it

[Anonymous No.]

>>13679527
Not to mention that Nux didn't name a single Vshojo member on his video. He only talked about the experience of himself and some indie chuubas.
Imagine if someone made an video about someone doxxing HoloEN applicants and all Holos jumping on him on twitter to delete the video

[Anonymous No.]

>>13679527
counterpoint: Nux is retarded and sucks a lot of dick

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681262
Vshojo did nothing wrong. Nux apologized first. Therefore Nux is in the wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681274
stop advertising your youtube channel, dumb doxxnigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681367
Now all we need is a 12 year old Brazilian who has an IQ high enough to write a fake japanese website

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681375
>Criminal plants a bomb in a building
>Calls the staff at the building and tells them there's a bomb and it's going to explode
>"Well I guess we'd better not say anything because that'd be giving them attention"

[Anonymous No.]

>>13677839
/thread
Western vtubers are shit and nux did nothing wrong, check flamenco's video on the matter

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681375
>serial killer on the loose
>better not warn the public because he might kill more if we talk about him

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681262
>sesame neon coloured muppets.
kekekek

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681449
I know you think you sound smart, but this is the dumbest post I've seen all day

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681375
Anon the law's job isn't doing a catty and mouse fight with the criminal, it's to protect the people first, the police doesn't fucking hide that a serial killer is murdering people at night at central park because they're hoping to catch him

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681449
Are you seriously this retarded?
You need to weigh up the pros and cons. You only go public with information when you absolutely have to. In this case, seeing the threat was basically contained, there was no reason to go public about it

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681522
>the police doesn't fucking hide that a serial killer is murdering people at night at central park because they're hoping to catch him
Yes they do. They do it all the fucking time. That's how they catch criminals. Are people here seriously this ignorant?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681522
>>13681486
>>13681449
I can tell none of you have actual real life experience because you're all fucking retarded. You don't advertise an investigation because it gives the suspect time to delete evidence or change their method.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681538
>seeing the threat was basically contained
The guy literally made a video making fun of Nux and doxxing him, how the fuck is it contained? Taking down a single site doesn't mean they'll lose all morale and stop doxxing people

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681538
>seeing the threat was basically contained
They didn't actually see that, though. All they had was Nux going "I got this message", they didn't know until later that it had only affected one other person. They said as much themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681538
>the threat was basically contained

this is your mind on vshojo

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681597
"the threat" in this case being this particular phishing incident

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681605
So you're seriously suggesting that the instant they discover one targetted person got phished, not a member of the public, they should have instantly released a public statement? How old are you? 15?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681586
>You don't advertise an investigation
You're the retard for thinking making a post saying "it's been brought to our attention that a site is sending out fraudulent emails" is the same as saying "we're been investigating this guy for ten years and consequences will never be the same".
> it gives the suspect time to delete evidence or change their method.
And you think that's better than preventing more victims.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681375
You could put out an anodyne general statement about not blindly trusting communications supposedly sent by your company. The same way credit card companies and various others do.
The statements the girls put out on Twitter were in any case much worse than whatever statement the company could have possibly made. Whether they were justified in making them or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681576
No retard, they hide it if they don't have any indication of how,why, where and who they want to kill, rob, etc. If they KNOW it's mostly at night on central the first thing that will appear on the news is a warning to everyone to not go to central park at night because of a dangerous individual.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681586
>The serial killer might run away or change their methods if we talk about him or his victims!
>Better not make a single public statement about it!

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681607
There are tons of Hololive domains available. It's almost like phishing is a user end problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681678
>So you're seriously suggesting that the instant they discover one targetted person got phished, not a member of the public, they should have instantly released a public statement?
That's exactly what the FTC guidelines suggest, yes.
You mistake "targeted" for a lack of risk, when the actual issue here is simply different groups of people being at risk. It makes as much sense as saying that a VISA scam doesn't affect Mastercard owners so it's targeted and not affecting the general public.

[Anonymous No.]

phishing is a relatively common thing, should they put out a press release every time a nigerian prince offers them his inheritance money? or should you just have faith that people aren't dumb enough to fall for it

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681710
>You could put out an anodyne general statement about not blindly trusting communications supposedly sent by your company.
Of course the phisher would know that is referring to them, they aren't stupid

>>13681714
They hide all details of the investigation possible right up until they've caught the criminal

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681486
>>13681449
You have to be over 18 to post here.

[Anonymous No.]

>Don't tell them about our "SUPER SECRET INVESTIGATION" bro
>Just let us slowly but surely track down them "epik doxxer"
>What if the other people get involved? Who care, they're nobody
v"shojo", everyone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681683
Yes you fucking mongoloid. The way to catch a criminal is to set up a sting without his knowledge. But sure, let's just advertise to the world, and the criminal, that we're on to him so he can adapt.

>>13681725
Keep beating that strawman, retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681634
How the fuck would they know it's contained? The doxxers are still doing well and fine, and they can scam posing as vshojo in any other way they can imagine

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681781
>Of course the phisher would know that is referring to them, they aren't stupid
You fucking moron >>13681683

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681752
>FTC
You're talking about public scams
This is a private doxxing, completely different

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681809
Because they got a list of people who got emailed and they got the domain taken down

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681829
Not only are you wrong because it would still apply to either scenario, you are also an idiot who doesn't understand the distinction between private and public.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681522
are you genuinely fucking retarded?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681896
>it would still apply to either scenario
it doesn't
what the fuck does the federal trade commission have to do with doxxing people
stop being an idiot

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681799
>2 people got scammed by vshojo impersonator
>10 people got scammed some other way
>wtf why doesnt apple help me out when i got scammed by some indian microsoft callcenter

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681882
>Because they got a list of people who got emailed
They got that list after the domain was taken down, not before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681774
>should they put out a press release every time a nigerian prince offers them his inheritance money?

It's standard practice to warn people when phishers try to impersonate
your business.

https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/small-businesses/cybersecurity/business

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681943
and?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681781
You wrongly think that catching the criminal then and there by having an investigation of a few months would generate less victims than telling them to NOT go to this location at this time

[Anonymous No.]

Nyanners discord at full force doing damage control with the same retarded arguments. Do it on twitter because even ppl there started to realize that Vwhores are backstabbing liars

[Anonymous No.]

This thread is retarded, I'm going back to gwombus general

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681984
They already had his list you stupid faggot

[Anonymous No.]

NEW LEAK HOT OF THE PRESS
NYANNERS TRYING TO SILENCE DISSENTING JEW BY ALL MEANS

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681987
Seriously, this shit is too stupid to be anything other than either trolling or coordinated defence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681882
VShojo has zero idea if the attackers are doing this again on another domain.

There's a Hydra going around killing people.

They killed one head of the Hydra, and pretended like it was fine to not warn people in the area about the Hydra.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681799
There is one positive thing about Vshojo has over Cover that everyone here can agree on and that is if one of their members commits a huge fuck up(nyanners) they will stick with her in those battles no matter what. Coco on the other hand is the other way around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681882
They have no fucking way to know if they're going to email random people in the future posing as them, it would be FAR FAR easier to just warn people about them than to take a year to try to take down 15 year old BRs

[Anonymous No.]

>>13678027
And we say worse about her. Who cares? Her behaviour is a way bigger issue than her insulting us. Nobody is actually offended by what she said, right? You’re not actually all twitter-tier pussies, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681987
>Nyanners discord
You sure about that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681262
>I can't believe anons here have short term memory this dreadful.
no one remembers a bunch of anons impotently shitting their diapers

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681948
>posting American guidelines for a Japanese company

How retarded are you? Also it says notify customers. Vshojo doesn't have customers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681987
doxxcord and nuxcord bros.... the nyancord CHADS are too numerous for us to handle.... we must kneel....

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682063
I refer to you my original point that giving the attacker validation only encourages them

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682063
Why hasn't Nijisanji warned the public?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682031
Whoa they got a list! Surely absolutely no one else will ever get scammed again even though they emailed random people that didn't do the audition!

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682136
Can't believe Nijisanji is this incompetent.... Nux please make a video informing the people

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682136
your comparing a japanned company with an American one, its not close to the same thing

[Anonymous No.]

I'd rather see anitubers burn than vshoujo. A couple slutty western vtubers running around does far less harm than those cancerous fags

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682105
>Vshojo is a Japanese company

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682116
That's true of most attackers who are doing it for the attention.

Are you saying you should never warn the public about an attacker on the loose, because they might do it more from the attention?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682136
If they don't know about it they're not liable legally or morally, the reason vshojo is getting shit on is because they knew about it for months

[Anonymous No.]

Are people pretending that Nux is based just because they hate vshojo more? The guy is actual cancer. Ideally they'd all eat each other.

[Anonymous No.]

Nux got played. Phoenix warned him that the guy Nux was praising as a fan was actually part of the group harassing vtubers. And Nux still praised him as a fan who helped him gather info.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682136
Feels good to be a coverchad

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682219
The only people that think anyone likes Nux are the people defending Vshojo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682088
>put out public statement
>does nothing to stop the phishing attempts
>phisher continues to do his stuff, potentially impersonating other companies as well
>more people end up getting doxxed because nobody opened a criminal investigation or it hit a dead end because the phisher adapted
>other people start phishing as well because there are no consequences

or

>keep quiet and compile a solid investigation
>take action against the phisher
>deter future attempts by showing that LE will actually take action on you
Real hard decision here

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682209
>Are you saying you should never warn the public about an attacker on the loose, because they might do it more from the attention?
You should do it only when the risks of not informing people exceeds the risk of giving the attacker validation
People here are clueless as to what these risks are, and would make laughably poor choices
The vast majority of incidents like this are resolved without the public ever being aware of them. Probably 99%

[Anonymous No.]

At this point I'm just curious which Vshojo is going to stream first after this, they are going to get the brunt of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682219
Both are retarded and no one but shit posters and vshojo simps are pretending either way

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682219
Nux is a literal retard, the medium article makes that obvious.

But VShojo is still a shitty self-serving company trying to sweep their incompetence under the rug.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682329
I thought they were already streaming?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682295
>>put out public statement
>>does nothing to stop the phishing attempts
Your premise is already flawed, because it isn't about stopping the attempts, it's about spreading awareness so people don't fall for them.
>>more people end up getting doxxed because nobody opened a criminal investigation
Why are you pretending they can't do both?
>or it hit a dead end because the phisher adapted
Why are you pretending this even makes sense?
>>deter future attempts by showing that LE will actually take action on you
The part that hasn't happened?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682329
they're streaming and literally nobody gives a shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682295
>put out public statement
>does nothing to stop the phishing attempts
Absolute peak retard, putting out a public statement doesn't stop you from trying to stop them, and by your own admission these guys do it for attention, they're not to fucking stop because of the public announcement as show by the guy that doxxed Nux

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682379
If you fall for a phishing attempt, you're already too fucking retarded to live

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682297
>You should do it only when the risks of not informing people exceeds the risk of giving the attacker validation
Which was the case here, hence why everyone is shitting on Vshojo for their poor choices.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682395
putting out a public statement both encourages them and makes you aware that you're onto them

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682297
What are the risks? The doxxer getting away scot-free? I don't see them behind the bars yet so this was clearly the wrong choice

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/xQc Remember anons female V-tubers are dudes with beards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682297
>You should do it only when the risks of not informing people exceeds the risk of giving the attacker validation

The risks of not informing people are they get phished, doxxed, and swatted. And swatting could kill them in any police-heavy country like America.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682379
>>13682395
yeah bros, let me just tell this guy that I'm on to him. He won't change methods or up his security or anything!

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682427
>>13681683

[Anonymous No.]

Can we just appreciate the fact that nux was smart enough that after he found out the people are trying to dox him, he gave them a burner phone number instead of his real number? He said he was proud of thinking that far ahead in the video but i haven't seen other people give him the credit he deserves for it

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682415
>Which was the case here
No it isn't. You're clueless. You don't know how often this shit happens, how dangerous it is, who gets targetted, why they're doing it and what they want to get out of it. People here are assuming this is some sort of rare, special incident. Stuff like this happens almost every day to a public facing company. Like I said, 99% of it you never hear about. You only go public with an issue if there's no other choice

[Anonymous No.]

>>13677771
>a lot of words, no new evidence
this is just another desperate pr move

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682427
So? They aren't running away or hiding, they're going to be even more ballsy which would actually make it faster to find them, doxxers aren't fucking criminal masterminds they're retards looking to grief and attention

[Anonymous No.]

>Risk of not making a statement
the doxxer continues doxxing people
>Risk of making a statement
emboldened by the attention, the doxxer continues doxxing people

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682437
>What are the risks? The doxxer getting away scot-free?
No. Its unlikely they're going to be put in jail. The real risk is they feel encouraged and validated and they continue to do it. That's exactly what happens when you give them public attention

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682514
>no new evidence
the screenshots show that nux
>lied about working with vshojo on this
>gave vshojo 30 minutes to give comments on the video
>knew some of the info in the video was wrong before he posted it
>didnt make all the changes he was asked to make
>was told it would increase harassment of vtubers
>admitted that he knew the video is exactly what the doxers want
>admitted that the info he got from his inside man was most likely fake given to him by an ally of the doxxer
>didnt take the video down when froot asked him to
>lied to froot and said vshojo doesn't think it will increase harassment
>lied to froot and said the doxxer is taken care of and not a threat

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682486
How actually fucking stupid is this man that this is an achievement for him?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681683
Anon can't be this retarded, right? He has to be pretending, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681486
anon, the murderer thing doesnt work because police either do or dont depending on the context, if its a string of killings then they tend too but a single killer or they know who the killer is they dont.
>>13681449's idea is at least more solid but the problem is more so if the think they can handle it in time without needing to evac people, more often then not they cant so they often evac people.

theres more arguments in police work for hiding whats happening then just telling everyone everything, the police dont put a statement out for every crime being committed every single day, they only do so if its a threat to most peoples safety, and while yes doxxing is a threat, its not a threat to most people and can be handled privately.
you got to remember anons that not crime is publically announced (unless youre Florida) and being doxxed isnt the equivalent of being murdered, doxxing is easier to do then murdering people so more people can doxx compared to murder

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682427
You also inform the public so that they can take the necessary precautions, which is the ethical thing to do and is advised by every objective cyber security agency, you pathetic vcuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682444
They haven't, the guy who doxxed nux put a fucking video up making fun of him, these guys DON'T care about getting investigated

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682486
Truly he is joker with the personality of batman

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682522
They've already found them, they can't throw some 15 year old Brazilian kid in jail, the authorities don't care

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682500
>People here are assuming this is some sort of rare, special incident.
No one thinks that at all though. As has been mentioned numerous times already, it's incredibly common, and most companies understand the all too reasonable obligation of informing people when your brand is being used for scams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682219
yes
nux is just some random jew clout chaser i dont give a shit about him
i legitimately hate pink cat and the whores at vshitshow

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682538
Except in that last case, people know not to trust any domain other than vshojo.com for emails

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682578
>and is advised by every objective cyber security agency
stop making things up you stupid child

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682589
guess it didn't matter if they made a statement then

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682356
anon.. all companies are shitty self-servicing companies, theres a reason why the term "theres no ethical consumption under capitalism" exists, no company is ethical.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682540
>don't warn public
>doxxers continue doing their thing, but hey at least you didn't give them validation
>warn public
>doxxers continue doing their thing, but the public will be more aware of them
You're honestly digging vshojo's grave deeper with every argument you make

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682590
>No one thinks that at all though.
Yes they do. Because they're angry they didn't inform the public. You you wanted to be informed whenever shit like this happened to a public entertainment company, you would be getting emails about it several times a day, every day

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682609
These are the same people who fall for Nigerian prince emails, I don't care

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682633
It does matter, because it gives the attacker what they want and encourages him to do it more. It says that in the fucking OP post, and it's true

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682572
It's doxxing and swatting, AND vshojo can't know how many victims there will be

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682668
>Because they're angry they didn't inform the public.
Because everyone other than (you) understands that this is a common thing with an established response protocol that vshojo failed to follow because they wanted to play at being detectives.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682684
This isn't the same as a Nigerian prince scam at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682667
>the public will be more aware of them
the people who fall for phishing scams are the same people who arnt going to read a statement about phising scams put out by a company

hell, the 1 vtuber who fell for it couldn't even manage to send a discord DM correctly

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682684
Nigerian prince emails are purposely retarded to select for retards.

The attackers drafted official-looking contracts, this is a different kind of phishing attack that's trying to appear legitimate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682703
>>13682538

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682709
>Because everyone other than (you) understands that this is a common thing with an established response protocol
Yes. The established protocol is to not say a fucking thing about it. If the established protocol was to go public, then you would be getting emails about it every day, like I said. You don't know how the world works

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682703
>nooooo don't give the doxxer the heckin validation!!!!! Who cares about the potential victims?!
I hate shitposting like this but holy shit this is an special kind of retardation

[Anonymous No.]

Guess Nux can advertise Gen V by saying his company is not going to be too strict like hololive or too lenient like Vshojo

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682725
>>13682729
It is literally the same exact thing. If you don't double and triple check who you're sending your personal info to, you deserve to get fucking doxxed because you're retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682741
If you don't give them attention, they get bored and give up. If you give them attention, they up their efforts and do it even harder

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682726
>the person who fell for a phishing scam about being invited to join a company they were a fan of aren't going to read a statement from that company that they're a fan of
The fact that they were a fan was the entire focus of the scam. You really didn't think this line of thought through, did you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682726
You're making an assumption, that doesn't work on the court

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682709
No, the common thing, especially when it involves swatting is to not give it attention. All the big streamers on twitch get swatted daily, xqc and summ1tg have talked about this before

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682785
>If you don't give them attention, they get bored and give up.
Anonymous reveals that he's actually a legitimate retard who has no idea how the world works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682744
It is very common for companies to put out anti phishing statements along with saying the ways they'll be contacting you over official channels.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682667
>don't warn public
>High chance of catching them and prevent future attacks.
>warn public because you can catch them
>they get away and keep doing what they were doing, but with improved method to avoid getting caught.
More police should be like you, so the criminals can have an easier life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682778
>runs out of arguments and resorts to victim blaming
So this is the Vshojo fanbase...

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682824
Yes, that's the 1% of cases that they couldn't resolve on their own and the risk to the public was deemed to great not to tell them. You don't hear about the other 99%, but you naively think that the 1% are the only ones that happen. It's called survivorship bias

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682295
>put out public statement
>people are now more aware of phishing attempts by said company
>other companies put out public statements as well
>the public don't fall for phishing attempts as often
>more people are safe people will slowly stop phishing because they can't get victims
or
>don't inform the public
>attempts to catch the phisher
>the phishers are underage from brazil
>can't prosecute them
>more underages from third world countries start phishing and succeeding because you didn't tell the public
>one end up dead because by swatting because of your company inaction
Easy choice here

[Anonymous No.]

>defending anitubers
>defending traitors

Again, who the fuck am I supposed to side with?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682862
shut the fuck up faggot, you don't even have an argument other than sucking Nux's dick

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682785
i mean your wrong about the first part, they wont give up, they usually phish because its a living. however your correct theyll be embolden if you give them attention

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682849
>High chance of catching them and prevent future attacks.

There was zero chance you were going to arrest a bunch of underage faggots in a third-world shithole like Brazil for cybercrimes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682816
I mean, look at this thread. Somebody keeps posting this thread as bait, and it keeps getting attention. If people stopped replying to this topic, eventually the people posting would get bored and leave.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682885
can't believe someone is actually making the "raising awareness" argument non-ironically

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682888
Hope for mutual destruction that leaves both in ruin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682915
Yeah, the FTC is dumb as shit, am I right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682901
people who phish for a living are scammers doing it for money
these are scammers, they're doxxers, they are doing it for attention. It's not guaranteed they will give up, but the less attention they get, the less likely they are to continue, or at least they'll move onto people who give them more attention

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682907
But anon! Muh special secret investigation team!

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682295
The point of public statements is that the phisher recieves less victims and either moves on to more lucrative areas of the internet or sticks around so you can investogate.
Goal #1 should be minimizing the bad guys potential gain from your company
NOT arresting him

If he fucks off and starts scamming tesla for example who gives a shit hes off your companys back

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682930
Works for me, thank you anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682907
How do you know they are underage from a third-world country? Do you have info you'd like to share?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682941
Why do 4chan debate brainlets love to erroneously appeal to authority

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683015
The official statement from VShojo which they've since deleted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682778
>Yes, hello I am a prince from Nigeria and I need help getting out my fortune
>this is comparable to a company sending you an email about your recruitment status
You're an absolute retard and goes back to all they needed to do was release a statement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682849
One, they were never going to catch these doxxers
Two, it depends on the situation, warning the public is the ideal choice if you know how or where will the criminal attack and with that you can prevent potential victims. You can't warn the public about anything if you don't know how or where they attack so might as well keep it hidden, in this case they knew exactly how the doxxers were scamming people and they also knew that the investigation was pointless, the only reason they didn't make an annoucement was because of the brand name or stubbornness

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682824
Literally every company does that, I think people here might be retarded. The companies are not doing the investigation you fucking morons. What help would it be to spend half a year of putting your reputation in jeopardy with the conclusion that the attacker lives in fucking Nigeria. What company would do is put out public statement, plaster their website and apps with it and think of other ways to minimize the risk going forward.

If you think company is doing some private detective work you have never worked a day in your life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683086
>wow this email doesn't have the same address as the one I originally sent to
>I'm sure it's fine, let me just not inquire any further and immediately send all my personal information

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683104
shut the fuck up ESL

[Anonymous No.]

It seems that there are people that don't understand some basic internet shit. Doxxers will not evolve their ways for doxxing people because they can't. There can be so many ways to do phishing. Many of those ways include tricking the phishing target. If your company tell people constantly about their official way of contacting you, you won't get scammed out of your private information. Is this really hard to understand? No, there is no way for them to doxx you besides that. Phishing isn't magic. Tech isn't magic. I mean if only anyone can catch this one magic hacker that is doxxing people and any phishing attempt will be gone from the internet forever by doing catching the guy, I would understand the frustration with revealing this but that will literally never happen. If the cybersecurity company that vshojo hires are telling them they can do exactly that, they are fucking scamming vshojo out of their money. Fucking hell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682885
anon... phishers dont stop, theres enough idiots in the world for them to keep phishing forever, theyre like HIV, once your system has it, youll have it for the rest of your systems life. you can try to squash it but theyll come back eventually because theyre hiding inside the system itself.
>>13683020
because they have no power in the system, the authorities are the ones with power so working within what the authorities can do is the only way to argue if something this morally ambiguous is good or not
>>13683192
>>13683266
people are not very smart anon, thats why scams work in the first place even after the nigerian prince meme had become popular in the mainstream, people still fell for the same trap

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683077
Some of them are underaged. It doesn't say where they are from.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13679040
She literally said that she left because AnyKara asked her to take too many breaks while they tried to combat the antis (which, to be fair, isn't a bad move, but she just didn't like it). The antis were just a part of it. At least now she can choose to take break by herself instead of being forced to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683294
Phishers don't stop BUT the public can be less stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683296
They use the phrase "country's outdated legal framework", which is a hint. The Brazil part was based on IP addresses leaked in Discord IIRC.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683355
How does the public become less stupid without becoming informed?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683388
Some would argue that US legal system is outdated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683405
That's why vshojo should of put out a PSA.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13681084
> Vshojo has management
They don't.
This entire debacle just proved it.
Vshoujo "management" aren't "managers" as they are commonly known in Niji and Holo circles, but just behind the scenes staff that kinda do odd jobs and help out the girls with tech stuff and out of stream stuff. The entire organization is owned by the girls themselves.

This is also why Nux got into shit, he thought since they were a corporation, the CEO and the managerial staff would have the final call over decisions made by the company. That even if he discussed the video with the girls, he would still have to talk to management to get approval (as is the case in holo/niji).

As seen, the girls are the highest authority in Vshoujo. CEO/management are just janitor jobs, and the girls themselves have all the power. Enough to even make the management retract their initial congratulation.
Nux didn't realize this, which is why he was caught off guard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683192
At the end of the day Vshojo just had to send out a simple statement when they first caught wind of this instead of hiring a cyber security guy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682329
did you miss the kson collab? there was a dozen sperg threads about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683258
Better to be ESL than thinking that VShoujo has hired Mossad to investigate and smuggle 12 years old Brazilian from middle of the slums to US shore to be interrogated by pink cat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683515
shut the fuck up ESL

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683473
You're an absolute fucking retard
They got the domain taken down, a list of the emails sent and the identity of the attacker
But you think they should have just "raised awareness" instead

[Anonymous No.]

I have a problem with them tip toeing around the fact they never blatantly told him "Don't release a video about this". They keep saying they were trying to be polite and professional and that's why they only gave him notes for what to edit out, but that feels like a wishy washy excuse in retrospect. I'm not a fan of Nux since he was being a content farming dramafag, but all his interactions suggest his intentions were good. VSJ comes off as not having a grasp on the situation at all and is pushing a narrative for damage control. Furthermore having all their girls vilify him publicly before they release this report about how you have to reread all these DMs and screenshots from the perspective that they're being very professional by not telling him to stand down, and that sadly their real intentions didn't get through to him and he's now at fault for compromising the investigation. Unironically my opinion of VSJ is worse now, but mostly because the talents chose to get involved to further sway public opinion on the matter. I bet the people behind the real dox operations are laughing their asses off at this entire shitshow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683556

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683531
>he only knows 1 language
ngmi

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683556
And the attacker has all the doxxes he wanted. Good job!

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683405
informed or not people will still fall for it.
as i said
>the nigerian prince meme had become popular in the mainstream, people still fell for the same trap
doesnt matter how much you inform people if they wont read the signs and refuse to use critical thinking

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683556
Anon... you can do all of that and send out a PSA.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683556
How does putting out a simple statement about people pretending to be your company stop you from continuing to investigate?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683583
I know three languages and shut the fuck up ESL

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683556
Why would it matter when the doxxers would have continued doxxing and scamming people with their name since they can't catch them?
Note that I said would, because with Nux's drama now everyone is informed about this and dumb people are less likely to get scammed by people pretending to be vshojo

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683649
Yeah? What is it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683684
Chinese, Tagalog and advanced Inuit

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683582
>>13683624
>>13683644
>>13683658
Did you miss the ten or so posts communicating the fact that giving the doxxers attention validates them and encourages them to continue doing what they're doing? Are you this stupid?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683604
But less people will for it. That's the point. Even one less people falling for it will make a lot of difference.

[Anonymous No.]

vtubers saved, batnux has done it, don't know why people are arguing, doxxing has been ended, swatting has gone the way of the dinosaur, the psa was a massive success

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683570
It all makes sense when you consider that it basically went like this
1. Nux approaches Vshojo management about the video
2. Management never actually asked him not to release it (hence the lack of any cap showing this despite their claims)
3. Management worked with him on the video and they got it to an agreeable state
4. The video goes up and management puts up the thank you tweet
5. Whoops, management forgot to tell any of the girls about it! Oh no! We made a fucksy wucksy!
6. Now all the girls are frothing at the mouth because they didn't know about it and thought Nux did it behind their backs!
7. Management backpedals at the speed of light and turns around and shits on Nux for making the video they never actually told him not to post
8. Fallout everywhere

The only real confusing point is what Melody was doing in the chat as well, and how much involvement she had, given she certainly wants to posit that she utterly demanded he never release the video, yet there's no such receipt of that.

>I bet the people behind the real dox operations are laughing their asses off at this entire shitshow.
Good point. What a fucking mess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683767

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683731
did you miss >>13682667

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683767
They didn't actually "agree" to him making the video

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683786
I want a Keanu Reeves vtuber

[Anonymous No.]

The past week has been the result of a giant middle management communication fuck up, but even now Vshitshow is blatantly lying in their statement about stuff that can easily be disproved by glancing at Nux's receipts.
This whole thing reeks of damage control, but everyone just wants to move on so I don't think we'll get anymore bombshells.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683731
It's not to stop the doxxers it's to inform the idiots that signed up to join Vshojo that they should be wary of people pretending to be members from Vshojo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683731
Oh so you're that retard lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683806
If you deprive them of attention, they lose interest in attacking
If you give them attention, they gain more interest in attacking
They don't do it regardless, they are doing it because they want something, the best thing you can do is not give it to them

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683731
They can't continue what they're doing when people know what to look out for. Jesus christ. These people are phishers. They are not hackers. They are not anonymous or whatever. They are people from third world countries. They don't have the knowledge to hack you. And the people that have the knowledge to hack you to hell and back don't do phishing. They just hack.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683807
They fucking helped him make it, that's straight up an OK to release it

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683720
>Chinese
Which one?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683858
No they aren't phishers, they're dedicated harrassers who attack these people with whatever limited means they have

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682136
> Nux sent out the public PSA that should've been sent by Vshoujo management
So why are people supporting Vshoujo again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683852
They literally just want the doxxes. Not putting PSA is increasing their chances to be successful. And fucking up your reputation as a company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683852
>If you deprive them of attention, they lose interest in attacking
First day on the internet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683736
thats a fair reason to but theres downsides companies are not willing to take

honestly at this point i feel like everyone here should realize just from the fact theres been over 30+ threads arguing about whether or not its a good idea to release a statement about doxxing or not, that the problem isnt an easy thing to solve because both sides have their positives and negatives and people can easily argue for one or the other.
>>13683877
i can say for certain vshojo fucked up by telling nux more info then he needed to know and let him make the video without more objections but thats on the guy who greenlite the video and its clear if the girls knew they wouldve objected more

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683877
he approached them with it already made and gave them 30 minutes to make suggestions

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683807
>Guy is making a video
>You don't want them to make the video
>Instead of saying "we don't want you to make this video" you give them tips on how to make the video better
>Guy makes the video
>"wtf man why did you make that video we didn't want you to make that video"
Maybe they should've actually said that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682219
> Ideally they'd all eat each other.
Why do you think /vt/ is stoking this fire?
No one wins here, except us.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683908
If you've been on the internet for any period of time you should know exactly how the currency of attention works with trolls and harrassment

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683916
see
>>13678656
>>13678828

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683916
Anon we know they've been conversing at the very least for a month, that's far more than enough time to tell him to stop

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683920
its a one guy situation where the non-vtuber guy didnt see a problem but everyone else did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683888
There is only one china

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683907
>They literally just want the doxxes.
No they're not scammers, they're "antis", people trying to harrass them specifically because they dont like them for whatever reason

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683999
antis and doxxers want the same thing, validation

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683920
he was advised not to make the video and advised of opsec and law enforcement practices against these types of scenarios, about why it's a bad idea to do everything he was doing, and that all of his information was misinformation placed by the criminals, that he was in direct contact with the criminals unknowingly, and he deemed it more important to get his video out than to heed all of these warnings, with zero forethought to the consequences.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683988
Melody was present too and she evidently didn't tell him not to make it either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683960
Trolls don't need you to validate them, they are already validated in their head, see /qa/, see the million wojak posters

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683914
>because both sides have their positives
What the fuck? No. Not telling people don't have any positives. What kind of timeline is this? Fucking hell. You can't get rid of doxxers no matter how much you investigate and catch. There will always be more. Not to mention, vshojo already found out the doxxers are fucking underage that they can't even prosecute. What did you fucks think would happen if they ever "finish" their investigation? You think no one will ever get doxxed ever again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684062
>Trolls don't need you to validate them
they absolutely do

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683997
So, you know mandarin?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683999
Doxxing and swatting isn't new, twitch has been dealing with it for a long time. You inform law enforcement of the situation and you don't give it attention. All the big streamers do the same thing, this isn't anything different.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684100
Yeah, I'm also a Nigerian prince

[Anonymous No.]

This is so not worthy of the amount of discussion it's getting here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682684
> put out the PSA
> Vshoujo no longer liable (legally or morally) for any retards that get phished
> If someone gets swatted after the PSA, the headline will just be "retard gets phished"

or

> don't put out PSA
> Indies (the retarded ones) wondering why they didn't warn her of a common internet thing.
> Drama is much more ambiguous as to whose fault it is.
> If someone gets swatted, at least SOME people will think Vshoujo is partially responsible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13683999
So instead of minimizing damage done to third parties using their name, how exactly did their investigation help anything? Is SWAT on their way to Brazil or Botswana or wherever the attacker is?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684108
The streamers aren't corporate entities whose identities are being impersonated to scam other people

[Anonymous No.]

>>13678975
Interesting perspective, Turkey Tom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684085
Hell no, they're already validated in their own heads. You know the "seeth, cope, mald," whatever response? In their head you already saw their answer and in their head you're mad as fuck, even if you never actually saw it or even if you don't give a shit they still feel validated and they will continue to do the same thing, it's the same for these guys, they think they live rent-free on the vshojo's heads, they don't need more validation

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684145
they did minimize the damage done, they shut down the fake domain and got a list out the outgoing emails

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684064
Yes.. They were trying to stop doxxing forever lol

[Anonymous No.]

>pro nux claims
>we don't need evidence

>pro vshojo claimis
>PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE THAT IS FALSE THAT DID NOT HAPPEN REEEE REEEEEE OH SHIT WE NEED A 5TH NUX THREAD

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684152
Oh, so you want corporate entities that put out PSA as a real example? Ever get any PSA from any companies anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684226
i was emailed by blizzard that phishing attacks are on the rise and to never give out my account info

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684226
>Ever get any PSA from any companies anon?
Yes? All the time. Hell, my bank just had a notice when I logged into it last week advising of recent scams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684193
They wouldn't do the same thing if nobody replied to them, even if they are close minded

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684152
No but, they do get impersonated a lot for scams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684210
damn bro what tier sub are you? I still haven't unlocked the pink girl discord tier that has all the missing evidence

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684064
the positives of not telling people are the same as being an undercover cop or a honeypot
>not causing unnecessary worry among customers and employees
>a less noisy investigation
> the criminal isnt likely to know their being tailed
> the possibility of being lead to more criminals
> learning their tactics
> finding out more info to leverage
> not bring attention to your company having something negative happen

now to be clear, is not telling people moral? not really but morality rarely matters when your a company

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684199
After 12 people were already phished using their company name. Do you think that the domain registrar would not hand over control over it if they did PSA beforehand?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684338
its like people cant read

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684338
it was only 2 confirmed, why are you still citing 12 gorillion victims?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684226
Yes at the bottom of the PayPal emails I've gotten they have a link to their suspicious emails page.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684338
>After 12 people were already phished using their company name
12? I thought it was 6 million?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684336
>conflating undercover operations with a lost case about underage BRs doxxing people

[Anonymous No.]

If this was nijisanji or cover they would say no......Hell they wouldnt want to associate with the faggot in the 1st place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684226
Do you not have a bank account?
You're not underage are you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684479
6 million? oy vey, think of the 8 million

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684391
Buddy, they got a list of outgoing emails, but they already got the doxxes, the list has no value at that point unless they were sent 1 hour ago, there is no point in warning them now. That's the only value list like that might've had.
>>13684426
>>13684479
Nobody knows how many were there, 12 is just some number flying around. VShoujo claims 2, but they also claim that they were vocal against the video getting published.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684336
>not causing unnecessary worry among customers and employees
People would not be worried if they know what is the official channel for the company to contact them.
>a less noisy investigation
Which would return what exactly? What do they think they would get from this investigation?
> the criminal isnt likely to know their being tailed
What? They fucking know they will be tailed. They know the things they do us illegal and the company is very likely on to them. Only dumb criminals don't think like that.
> the possibility of being lead to more criminals
Anon... listen to yourself. The criminals who are masterminds that is hacking everyone, is also going to other criminals without any sort of precaution. Like at all.
> learning their tactics
They already know their tactics
> finding out more info to leverage
There is no more info. At most they can get is their IP and general location. If the criminals are smart, they're likely behind 7 proxies.
> not bring attention to your company having something negative happen
That is stupid. This will make your company liable if something did happen because of your company inaction.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684487
anon the procedure are the same, keep quiet, investigate and then sting when the time is right.
lost cause or not, its still how companies handle this stuff

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684581
Yeah I'm sure 12, the number you pulled out of your ass, has more legitmacy than 2, the number of people who've actually talked about it and the number given from the people actually involved in the situation

[Anonymous No.]

>>13677771
>we

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684606
>how companies handle this stuff
Phishing? No they don't do shit like that. They only do that for database leaks or hacking attempts. Vshojo's are not facing hackers. These idiots are not hackers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684606
Keeping quiet helps no one, they just needed to say that there was a group pretending to be them when they found out and that ends most of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684581
Again, its like people cant read, pal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13680173
there was no investigation
kill all simps

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684694
>they just needed to alert criminals they were being monitored and identify themselves to the criminals as the entity attacking them, who will not retaliate in any way, receive no attention, and this certainly won't signal boost their recruitment to a wider audience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684606
In case of phishing or impersonation of the company, they put out public statement and contact literally every channel that is willing to warn people to only trust communication through specific channel.
>>13684773
>Hurr durr just like think harder what am I thinking, it's not like I have no argument anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684596
>Which would return what exactly? What do they think they would get from this investigation?

Nah, see, Melody's cyber team was going to totally catch some Brazilian guy phishing nobodies on Twitch. The Brazilian police literally have nothing else going on except to work with vtuber LLC to catch a phisher scam artist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684813
>who will not retaliate in any way
Retaliate with what? What are those ways anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684813
Protecting the public and stopping the phishing should have been priority number one, not chasing ghosts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684226
have you ever made an online transaction, you fucking simp?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684886
>Protecting the public
It wasn't a public attack you stupid fuck they used the email address to message other vtubers related to vshojo

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684886
Literally what every real company would've done.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684606
this is not the procedure in developed countries. where are you from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684581
>Buddy, they got a list of outgoing emails, but they already got the doxxes, the list has no value at that point unless they were sent 1 hour ago, there is no point in warning them now. That's the only value list like that might've had.
which they didn't get until after the site was taken down and law enforcement got that and passed it onto them, which would have been weeks after they were first made aware

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684946
Yes it is
Have you ever seen a police documentary? Have you ever read the news?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684860
they'd register vshojo.gov

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684946
Except it is, and it happens across countries when they take down pedo rings simultaneously

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684860
Nyanners and her family have been harassed, Veibae has seen strangers on her property, Froot has been dealing with harassment for a couple months

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684936
The public in the sentence was the vtubers being scammed and protecting them would have been putting out a statement when they first found out about the phishing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684978
every important thing in my life gives me warnings and threats available for me to avoid.
be it bank account, shopping sites, local neighborhood watch, flyers by local cops.
which leftist hell hole are you from where you dont notify your neighbors about the serial rapist in the neighborhood? cant be racist against black people and troons so just dont report them? this is not what developed countries and states do btw

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685009
God damn. Now vshojo NEED to tell people how they are going to contact applicants. Their official way to communicate with them. That'll be super fucking hard. You mean one twitter post? ONE TWITTER POST? ONE EMAIL TO WRITE? THAT MANY? Just kill them already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684886
VShojo has been protecting the public since April. A PSA doesn't protect the public.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685058
>the brazillian teenager has gangs of american lackeys at his beck and call to go outside of vtubers' windows and moon them

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685058
Nyanners in america. Vei and Froot is somewhere in EU. These phishers have a really big global connection.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685099
I thought sucking the corp's dick was holofag exclusive

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685075
Which leftist hell hole are you from where you have flyers from local cops warning you about serial rapists on the streets?
When police are investigating a criminal, they release as little information as possible to the public, so they can set a trap for him and catch him
That's the way it works everywhere

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685142
>>13685149
All you need to do is release information and people will do with that what they will. Now that they know their method is effective they will encourage more attacks where none may have taken place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685099
>Vshojo has been protecting the public
But they haven't since people have been doxxed

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685142
Obviously these teenagers are part of the brazillian mob. Don't you know how wide their influence is? I heard half of america is already under their thumb.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13684596
> if they know what is the official channel
even if they do people still fuck up, youre assuming that people will be smart enough to read but the main reason phishing works is that people dont read.
>Which would return what exactly?
less noise means the info is easier parce and they could build a case.
theyre operating the procedure under the pretence they can do anything about it even if they end up not being able to do anything in the end.
>They fucking know they will be tailed
yeah but they dont know to what extent in most cases unless theyre somehow told whats happening via a press release or something.
>The criminals who are masterminds that is hacking everyone
no criminal is prefect and its the point of an investigation to find the parts the criminal failed to cover up.
>They already know their tactics
they have an idea of how but its procedure to prove thats how they did it, you can find a person shot in the head but that doesnt mean they were killed by the bullet, you have to find evidence that its the bullet that killed them. of course thats easy since a coroner can usual find out if it was the bullet or not but still need to prove that in court.
>At most they can get is their IP and general location
that is leverage yes, even if they did use a vpn, you stll need to look to make sure.
>because of your company inaction
the investigation is an action legally. now you can argue they could do more.

look anon, i get it, its not morally great but investigations need to do its do-diligence for them to even build a case, even if in the end nothing is achieved

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685175
You're actually a retard, police sketches and descriptions of suspects are a thing to keep people wary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685194
>All you need to do is release information and people will do with that what they will.
Yeah just like that time where Nyanners got doxxed 9 years ago and she and her family were raped and killed as a result
Oh wait

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685175
they dont talk about the criminal's identity. they just say a rapist is on the loose and active here, be careful to not do stupid shit.
your corporation with prostitutes failed to do that and when a vigilante (nux) took it upon himself, they hate him and attack him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685235
they do that if they cant identify said people and turn to the public for help

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685235
That's for a minority of criminals
When police have a lead, they don't go around telling people about it

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685194
Wow. Really? I bet pewdiepie is being hunted down right now. They're killing his family as we speak. #pray4pewds

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685242
>they just say a rapist is on the loose and active here, be careful to not do stupid shit.
which leftist hell hole do you live in where you need local rapist warnings?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685236
>>13685285
Please decide whether you believe doxxing is benign and doesn't actually hurt anybody, or if 12 gorillion people COULD BE KILLED because of VSHOJO KEPT THEIR EFFORTS PRIVATE BLACK COMPANY BATNUX IS THE JOKER

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685278
>they don't go around telling people about it
no one is asking vshojo to tell the details of the doxxer. you're arguing something else because you cant defend a simple notification about this thing which has been going on.

just a reminder - there are no applications going on right now, everything else should not be considered official from us.

>>13685321
unfortunately there are a few non-whites in my neighborhood, thankfully I'm in a red state which doesnt protect them. now you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685222
>even if they do people still fuck up, youre assuming that people will be smart enough to read but the main reason phishing works is that people dont read.
Jesus have you not heard about Travis Scott? It's not about whether it'll make a difference or not, it's about them not doing anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685325
Admitting that doxxing is a problem is not the same as you indicating that the doxxer being exposed will somehow cause them to take drastic measures.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685344
I'm not talking about details. Police don't tell people of the status of an investigation, period. When you're trying to catach a criminal you tell as little information to the public as possible. The procedure they followed here is no different

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685270
>>13685278
They just had to say that there was a group of retarded faggots pretending to be them, it's that simple and makes the public wary of suspicious looking emails.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685370
He was the opposite of exposed, he was allowed to get away, cover his trail, and put out more information, while laughing at Nux for thinking he was caught.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685344
>Amerimutt who needs to be warned by police of local rapists attempts to look down on the countries other people are from
This is great

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685420
>Police don't tell people of the status of an investigation
no one is asking the cops or vshojo to do that. nux also didnt ask that. he just asked vshojo to make a statement about a serial rapist on the loose, so be careful. they diddnt and indies got raped. what are you defending, dude?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685452
so i was right about you living in a leftist hellhole which protects non-white rapists? why would you think you would be taken seriously on 4ch if that was the case?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685467
>they diddnt and indies got raped
The emails were sent before they were aware of the situation, so no, nothing bad came of them keeping quiet about the incident
Informing the public you are aware of of the phishing attempt is informing the phisher that you're onto them

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685467
>he just asked vshojo to make a statement
he didn't, he forced vshojo to release a statement within 30 minutes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685363
the investigation is them doing something anon, just because its not what you want them to do doesnt mean the purpose of the investigation isnt to handle the problem.
stop thinking that "they just had to do blank" and think about why they couldnt just do blank.
the info for why has been given to you.
>>13685467
thats called fear mongering anon, puts everyone on edge and is the reason why were even having this convo

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685530
yes, he was right. the doxxing from indies filling up the forms stopped after that.
so again, what are you defending, simp?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685493
The place I'm living doesn't have local rapists, I sure do wish I was living in America with people like you though

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685526
>it's ok that I forgot to turn off the gas on the stove because no one struck a match before we noticed the next day, because things turned out ok there was never any reason for me to be more careful

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685535
>puts everyone on edge
yes, it should. because there's a rapist in the neigborhood raping people when they're out.
are you ok?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685530
So a statement helped to stop the doxxing or was it the Jew's video?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685562
fair enough then, I would be in the same situation with 100% white people around me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685556
the doxxing from the vshojo related domain was stopped within 6 days in october. there's still people being phished. he was wrong, by his own admission, and he completely folded, apologized, removed his video, and bowed to everyone for his foolishness.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685583
What is it with this thread and hilariously stupid analogies? They assessed the threat, and their assessment was right
I'm sure you, the backseat cybersecurity expert, know better though

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685242
If law enforcement is already involved you do what they tell you. Nux, his brain dead fans, and redditors are the perfect example of Dunning Kruger. Who the fuck would listen to someone who has no cybersecurity or law enforcement credentials. Even fresh reporters learn what stories to run and which ones are sensitive. He isn't any of these, he just some dramafag clown on the internet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685624
>within 6 days
yeah thanks to nux which they also mentioned in their statement. and you should too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685631
>I'm sure you, the backseat cybersecurity expert, know better though
yeah
the FTC happens to agree

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685610
Even if you're white, you're still American, so you'll still be in danger no matter what

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685631
Just a simple statement would have prevented all of this

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685631
>gas blowing up because of no warnings
>rapist raping you because of no warnings from cops
are stupid analogies?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685649
not thanks to nux, nux provided no information that was new or direct misinfo from his "fan" that turned out to be part of the doxxing group.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685669
read my post again, ahmed

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685659
>the FTC
there it is again
what's it like living without a brain
you're embarassing yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685693
>thank you, nux
thats all you vshojo had to do and you too. you didnt now joker nux had to take you down a peg with his receipts. kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685696
White Americans love to kill each other almost as much as black and brown Americans do

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685734
thank you for proving you are indeed non-white and indeed live in a leftist hellhole. cheers

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685693
>not thanks to nux, nux provided no information that was new
They literally didn't even know about the site until he told them about it you delusional faggot. They fucking said this themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685756
I'm white, and you're jealous
Keep clutching your guns and pretending skin color is your only problem

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685702
All they had to do was do the bare minimum and warn or tell people that signed up that there was someone pretending to be them to scam people, it's what most businesses do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685222
Not gonna bother green texting your shit. Figure out yourself which argument is for which.

People will always fuck up like there will always be people phishing

Building a case for what? Anon, phishing is not hacking. Phishing is easy. Anyone can do it. You cannot stop phishing which most of the time happen from a third world country.

No one is telling anyone how much info they got. That never happen. But the doxxers do know people will be on their tail. That shit is super basic. Oh my fucking god.

No criminal is perfect correct. But ways of communication is not one of them. Unless these people are CC'ing this shit to everyone, almost every ways of communication on the internet is encrypted. You know what encrypted means right?

This is fucking phishing. There is no other ways to phish people that doesn't involve tricking people. Just tell people how you would contact them.

Which they can do even if they did inform people.

The investigation being legal won't stop them from being sued. That's not how this shit work.

Nothing will be achieved. Actually, no. They can achieve something. Putting more people in danger and maybe catch one group of doxxers. That's a big maybe though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685058
Harassment for what exactly?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685769
no they didn't

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685780
>Keep clutching your guns and pretending skin color is your only problem
oof I really triggered you bad, didnt I?
I must've hit the nail on your sjw head, kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685808
for being a successful female or someone related to them? moderators of vtubers were targeted as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685785
I think you're confused about what happened, they did not run a public scam where they collected a bunch of data from people, the only 2 people who fell for it they were in contact with

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685823
Of course, nothing triggers me like seeing someone who gets to experience the American dream, getting shot at by blacks every time you leave the house and having to ask the cops about where the local rapist struck last

[Anonymous No.]

Anti Claim:
>A PSA will save people

Then why didn't Nux's announcement of a phishing scam save anyone in October?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685917
>there's a rabid sjw here everyone. be careful so you dont get aids by touching this troon pedo
see how I did that? instantly everyone in the thread knows not to associate with your rotten wound. thats what vshojo would've done but you're from a side which loves cops protecting criminals like non-white rapists. so this warning will make you angry. no wonder you and your kind hate it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685863
2 people they know from 1 way of phishing they know from 1 domain they know. Are you super sure there can literally be no other way to scam desperate vshojo hopeful?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685971
It did, if he didn't make that statement 6 million more people would have fallen for it

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685587
problem is anon, doxxers are not equal to rapists,
but the procedures for both are similar.
companies are more aware of laws because theyre bigger targets, so they have to follow legal procedure more then if it was an individual, so companies tend to follow procedures even if you could morally argue for them to do the easier thing.
>>13685795
anon, im trying to make it clear that companies are not people, companies dont care about morals, they weight the pros and cons and they found that being quiet was a more beneficial/less harmful option.
your opinion on it being more morally right to tell people isnt wrong, but companies dont have the same liberties individuals have to make moral decisions, theyre job is to organize a bunch of things to make a product they can then make money with

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685985
You are assuming that they are laying a trap for vshojo applicants in general when you don't actually know if that's the case

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685971
He actually did... It just that you know, didn't come from vshojo themselves. People who applied for vshojo don't follow nux on twitter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686001
>so companies tend to follow procedures
which corporations doesnt give out warnings of phishing scams happening in their name?
even mom and pop businesses do it. how far are you willing to argue for whores with blown out vaginas anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13685983
For someone who's supposedly white you have a pretty poor command of the English language
I'm advocating for proper police procedure which leads to them capturing criminals, not protecting them
You're saying they should "raise awareness" instead of actually trying to catch them. That's pretty lefty of you bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686001
What I'm telling you is that in almost every scenario, giving people a PSA will be the more benificial/less harmful option. Heck, that's what literally all the companies do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686098
Companies only give out PSAs in the small minority of cases they can't resolve on their own, you only hear about 1%

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686025
No one knows. Not even vshojo cybersecurity expert. That's why you inform people to watch out for scams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686067
>proper police procedure
>it says to report and alert the circle of involvement
lel

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686148
Fraud is not doxxing and swatting. Please get some perspective on how different crimes are handled differently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686147
>No one knows. Not even vshojo cybersecurity expert.
You don't know that they don't know that. You're assuming a whole lot

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686132
what? no they dont? they give reminder every other day and week. which corporations do you have service with anon that dont do this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686173
>Fraud is not doxxing and swatting
yes its more serious

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686132
Phishing is one of the small minority of cases. Because the companies can't stop that shit forever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686148
>alert the circle of involvement
exactly. do you understand what "circle of involvement" means? it means the people who were involved, it doesn't mean making a PSA, unless the entire public is at risk, which it wasn't

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686132
How are corporations resolving phishing attempts? You might make a bank answering that question.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686174
>You're assuming a whole lot
am I? this happened a few months ago btw

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686132
We're in a fucking time loop, we've gone through this way too many times. Companies usually have links to anti phishing statements in official emails.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686190
It doesn't matter how serious it is, what matters is the goal of the criminals and how it gets handled. Once fraudsters have your data they got what they wanted and they're out. Doxxers hold onto data and use it to fuck with people. You don't give them attention. You do bring to light fraud because people who may be victims have to take the initiative to save themselves. Completely different.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686206
>unless the entire public is at risk, which it wasn't
the entire public wasnt at risk? how is a phising scam taking applications in vshojo's name not risk for the public who will be filling those forms out?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686177
>what? no they dont?
Yes they do. for every security risk that you hear about, there are 99 that you didn't

>>13686203
Depends on the severity and risk. You don't hear about every phishing case or even most phishing cases

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686050
anon, how many companies admit to having sexual harassers on staff?
companies do all sorts of shady bullshit that you dont know about because they keep it underwraps, theres been so many cases of companies not informing their costumers of data breaches, the only reason why we know this is because there iss people whose job or hobby is to watch for those breaches being posted.
only notable breaches are ever addressed but theres less noticeable ones all the time

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686174
What? Can those experts read minds or something? This is fucking stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686243
>It doesn't matter how serious it is
just how much do you pay to these whores anon? I can see the desperation in which you're defending this roasties. just how much sunken cost fallacy is at play here, kek?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686050
>which corporations doesnt give out warnings of phishing scams happening in their name?
Sony

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686282
They were in contact with the doxxer

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686287
>hehehe i'll just pack my post full of buzzwords to let them know i've the superior intellect
lmfao

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686254
why would I need 99 emails per day for a warning about phishing scam?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686254
Of course you don't because you don't need to. You just need to know that there are people that is impersonating the company and the official way to contact them is through so and so. That's the PSA that vshojo refuse to make. That's it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686309
Are you retarded? I'm not talking about ONE scam. I'm saying you don't hear about 99% of scams or threats

[Anonymous No.]

I think people are pushing the 'oh they didn't warn anyone' angle because it's the only thing VShojo wasn't entirely in the right about. The doxxing is not morally defensible, Nux's prior behaviour towards VShojo members is not morally defensible, and dismissing the fear VShojo members had from the video's contents is not morally defensible. All that's left is the lack of warning, and even then those complaints sound rather silly:
>Why didn't VShojo do something they believed would shoot their investigation in the foot? BLACK COMPANY, WESTERN WHORES!
It's just tiring. We get it, you want VShojo to burn in hell. I don't understand why, because VShojo poses no threat to Holo and Niji, and can be easily ignored if you don't want to see it, but we get it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686299
they do regularly in any of their emails.
are you sure you're not using a brazilian's copy of a fake sony website?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686263
>theres been so many cases of companies not informing their costumers of data breaches
Followed by fines in the millions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13677771
They didn't put him in the ground but they did detach him completely from Vshoujo and by extension vtubing in general since that was really his only in to the industry. That kills like 1/3rd of his internet "relevancy" if you want to call it that. It's back to leeching from a distance or making anituber shit for him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686347
>You just need to know that there are people that is impersonating the company and the official way to contact them is through so and so
Yes, and for most cases when someone is doing this, you will never hear about it, because the risk to the public is not deemed high enough
Why is this so hard for you to understand?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686263
>anon, how many companies admit to having sexual harassers on staff?
interesting. so you dont want companies to admit they have sexual harrassment in their staff?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13682486
Girls do this to me all the time but it's just kind of rude not an amazing intellectual accomplishment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686369
It's the only thing they have
They just mindlessly hate vshojo and it's the only angle they can take to attempt to make them look bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686305
And the doxxer gave them everything they want to know? Are you serious right now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686263
What costumes do they make for data breaches?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686306
I hope your ewhores see this bro, kek
all for a mistake a prostitution corporation made, kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686370
Only emails I've gotten from Sony over the last six months or so are fake phishing ones. One of which was actually incredibly well made; they used a subdomain to make it look like the email was actually coming from Sony when it wasn't.
Haven't heard a peep from Sony about the phishing emails though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686353
I'm already alert of them because I got a reminder that they're on the rise when they send an email.
are you high on HRT?

[Anonymous No.]

These threads are what saging was made for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13686393
You don't fucking need to know the specifics. You just need them to tell you the PSA. Oh my fucking god. Am I talking to a bot right now?