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How is she so good at singing in Japanese when she's an EOP?

>> No.13685308

>can't get above 30k viewers or get any big donations

OH NYOOOO

>> No.13685357

>>13685308
bullshit

>> No.13685437

>>13685193
singing is much, much easier than conversation

>> No.13685911

>>13685193
the same way bongs can sing in english but speak in gobbledygook

>> No.13686131

>>13685193
She spends a lot of time copying by ear, I guess. But she still make mistakes here and there, either saying the wrong syllable in a word or intonating weirdly. It happens if you don't understand what you're singing.

>> No.13686143

>>13685193
Because she's just mimicking sounds. You don't need to speak the language in order to impersonate the sounds it makes. The only impressive thing that comes from this is that she has to memorize all the lyrics to a song that she has no idea what's being said.

>> No.13686220

>>13686131
>>13685193
Also never trust Japanese when they say your Japanese is jouzu. They always mean it's jouzu for a bakagaijin.

>> No.13686262

>>13685193
Japanese is super easy to copy phonetically. Everything sounds like it looks like it should sound. Spanish is like that too. English by comparison is a fucking minefield if you don't actually speak the language you don't know what the fuck any given word should actually sound like, not to mention the multitude of words that are spelled exactly the same and sound different and have different meanings.

>> No.13686328

>>13685193
but she still sounds like an EOP when singing

>> No.13686377

>>13686262
To a certain extent, yes. Until you realize that every Japanese word has its own intonation (different in every Japanese dialect) and that Japanese people can easily say if you're intonating correctly or not.

>> No.13686433

>>13686262
Most gaijin can't pronounce the Japanese R and the "ng" in manga correctly though. And these are just the most obvious examples.

>> No.13686474
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>>13686220
That's the same in any language really. It's basic common courtesy. In a normal environment you don't hear people say "Your english is shit".

>> No.13686508

>>13686433
I mean can Gura? It sounds good to us but how's it sound to a Jap? I imagine it's a slightly better version of what we hear when Moona is singing in English. Good at carrying the tune and hitting the notes but questionable pronunciation.

>> No.13686514

>>13686377
japs sucks at their own language anyway, fuck 'em desu

>> No.13686536
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>>13686143
Pretty much this, it take time and skill but nothing as close as you would imagine it take to learn the actual language. This is why she can sing Korean songs as well, it's all memorization. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aN53Wu9CD4
One of these days I expect her to pull a Spanish or French song out her ass in future karaoke.

>> No.13686572

>>13686474
Yeah, but you normally don't hear anyone claiming that a foreigner is better than or as good as a native speaker. You hear that all the time from Japanese viewers.

>>13686508
She has extremely good pronunciation for an EOP. If she understood what she was singing, it could be almost perfect.

>> No.13686580

same reason suisei can sing good in english

>> No.13686758

>>13686580
Her mom speaks English. It's surprising her actual English reading and speaking comprehension is so dogshit, but at least she has a grasp on the pronunciation even if she still transposes rs and ls.

>> No.13686800

>>13686508
good on cover/origial for sure as i once found this comment (both: irys and gura)
両方発音完璧だから歌で映えるね
日本語話せなくても歌なら発音完璧なサメちゃんみたいなのは特殊だ…

>> No.13686841
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>>13686580
>I WONDEET DATTANWAY. BUT WE AH TWO WORR APAH. CANT MISTUR YURHAR.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2Idpr4y7uk

Her voice sounds good of course. But her pronunciation far from good, because a Japanese replicating English sounds is much more difficult than the other way around.

>> No.13686893

>>13686580
I love Suisei anon but come on now

>> No.13687717

>>13686800
Like I said in >>13686220 , don't trust them. He's just trying to make a compliment. Irys is legit though. I don't know much about her, but she must have grown up in Japan.

>> No.13687755

>>13687717
>but she must have grown up in Japan.
She's a hafu

>> No.13690045

>>13687755
>she's a hafu
>>13682035

>> No.13690078

>>13685193
You don't understand japanese, that's why you are saying this bullshit

>> No.13690239

>>13690078
ywnbj

>> No.13691012

>>13687755
Granted being a hafu doesn't mean you grow up in Japan or can speak Japanese, but yeah, that explains a lot. Didn't know that.

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>>13685193

>> No.13693581

>>13685193
With enough practice, singing JP songs are not too hard

>> No.13697686

>>13686800
I'd rather trust actual jp comments about her singing in jp than some random anons here

>> No.13697765
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>>13686580
>sing good
yeah
>english
mmm

>> No.13698372

>>13686580
Not even comparable to Gura singing in Japanese

>> No.13702768

>>13686572
stfu chumbud
go lick her ass

>> No.13702967

>>13686580
suisei is the best singer in hololive by a mile. her english singing is perfect

>> No.13704701

>>13702967
Anon, how could all of your points were incorrect...

>> No.13708408

How come blue hair holos are the most powerful

>> No.13712013

>>13702967
Stop falseflagging

>> No.13712134

>>13685193
there's literally no japanese word that's hard to pronounce, nips struggle more to pronounce their own words than english do

>> No.13712188

>>13685193
it's her natural talent, she's a good parrot, even her friends comment on her strange ability.

>> No.13712194

>>13702967
Moona and IRyS are proof you are wrong.

...not to say Suisei is bad, nonono, but you can't even compare to Moona and IRyS

>> No.13712264

>>13712194
and they cant compare to ojou or shion

>> No.13712365

>>13685193
Lyrics are lyrics. They are posted and written. Then Gura rehearses them.

There's absolutely no need to handle grammar and vocabulary when doing that.

>> No.13713980

>>13712194
You are a complete retard, stop replying to the schizo. He wants to make hoshiyomis look bad

>> No.13715036

>>13685193
>good
>butchered pre-recording with Matsuri
>butchered Hololive songs
Do chumkeks really

>> No.13715289

>>13715036
>Gets triggered by Gura's superiority
Do antis really

>> No.13715591

>>13685193
How do you know she's good at singing in Japanese if you're an EOP?

>> No.13716186
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>>13686536
If by one of these days you mean last year then yes she has already sung in both Spanish and French.

>> No.13718000

>>13686131
>>13686143
>>13686262
/thread

>> No.13718138

>>13686841
you're almost correct but your pantomime text was way off, she sounds better than that.

>> No.13718450

>still trying to falseflag

>> No.13719457

>>13715591
Japanese people comment about her skill in singing in Japanese all the time

>> No.13719585

>>13685193
>good at singing in Japanese
If you think her jap singing is good, then you don't listen to actually good japanese music

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>>13686580
please no bully

>> No.13720427

>>13719585
You don't need to bring down Gura just to praise other musicians

>> No.13720913

>>13702967
>Towa is the best singer in hololive by a mile
ftfy

>> No.13720959

>>13685193
A lifetime of bingewatching anime.

>> No.13723262

>>13685193
What the fuck is this eop jop jpd jsd fmp bullshit you guys are talking about

>> No.13724167

>>13723262
Maybe you should lurk more

>> No.13724752

>>13686377
Sure, but that isn’t a factor when you’re singing.

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>>13686131
>copying by ear

I think this works well going from english to japanese, but it's not universal. Try to roll your Rs by listening to other people do it. You can't. Just like how japanese people can't make R sounds by listening to english people make the sound.

>> No.13732154

>>13728966
Not every EOP pronounces jp as good as her though. She has a natural talent for both singing and jp pronounciation

>> No.13732242

>>13716186
I need to hear her speak frog, give me the song title or clip

>> No.13735191

>>13732242
Just search Gura french

>> No.13740156

Maybe she's secretly fluent in japanese

>> No.13743495

>>13685193
its all magical

>> No.13743923

>>13685193
>rhythm game drilled in her brain
>perfectionist practicing
>experience in practicing different language songs

>> No.13744014

she sang song of the ancients too, omg how was she so good at it when she doesn't speak the chaos language?!

>> No.13744019

>>13685193
Because Gura is not an Amerimutt

>> No.13746489

>>13685193
effort. xenoglossia is simpler when you're only repeating words off a page, than when you're trying to communicate with someone else.
>>13686841
and moreover, the one upshot of coming from english to another language in terms of pronunciation is that you're working from the idea that there's more than one way to sound out what you're looking at, because english just loves to have a crapload of contextual sounds for every letter to compensate for it's tendency to pick up loanwords like a meth addict stealing loose change out of people's pockets - japanese in particular comes with the idea that each syllable has only one way to be pronounced, give or take some dropped "U"s, which both simplifies that aspect from an outside perspective, and makes less rigid systems considerably harder from an inside perspective.

>> No.13746576

>>13746489
elaborating on the "effort" part, it's one of those things where actually trying makes a huge difference, even if it's a simpler task you've set out.
she wants to have it not sound like a complete and total disaster when she's imitating japanese songs, and so she's trying to make it sound alright.

>> No.13747255

>>13732154
Or… she just practices a lot because she likes singing

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