/#/ - Numbers Thread

[Anonymous No.]

/ourgirl/ pt II edition

Previously >>13730862

[Anonymous No.]

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR

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>>13738191
this one is better

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>>13738191
How many part are we aiming here?

[Anonymous No.]

>TOP WINNERS OF THE DAY - NOVEMBER 2021

1) Marine (Hololive) - 34.7k - Karaoke
2) Pekora (Hololive) - 42.5 - Minecraft (Sport fest prep)
3) Chronoir (Nijisanji) - 48.9k - Announcement
4) Pekora (Hololive) - 36.4k - Rhythm Heaven
5) Luis Cammy (Nijisanji) - 39.4k - 3D Debut
6) Miko (Hololive) - 81.5k - Minecraft Sports Fest
7) Miko (Hololive) - 69.7k - Sport Fest Totsu
8) Pekora (Hololive) - 57.6k - Evil God korone
9) Subaru (Hololive) - 44k - Evil God Korone
10) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 56k - Kuzuha Concert Free Part
11) Pekora (Hololive) - 55k - First FFXIV stream
12) Fumi (Nijisanji) - 38k - 3D Debut
13) Rushia (Hololive) - 81k - Outfit reveal
14) Marine (Hololive) - 81.8k - Subaru's High profile case
15) Lamy (Hololive) - 83.3k - Birthday 3D
16) Pekora (Hololive) - 31.8k - Ape Escape 3
17) Marine (Hololive) - 34k - Bus Simulator
18) Pekora (Hololive) - 82.5k - Minecraft Mod with Marine
19) Towa (Hololive) - 47.5k - Mario Party
20) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 95k - Splatoon Tpurney day 1
21) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 88.2k - Splatoon Tourney day 2
22) Subaru (Hololive) - 31.5k - Pokemon Challenge (vs Okayu)
23) Pekora (Hololive) - 57.7k - Karaoke Relay
24) Noel (Hololive) - 56.9k - Birthday Totsu
25) Hololive ch (Hololive) - 58.6k - Gen 3 Concert Free Part

New debuts:
26) La+ Darknesss - 167.6k
27) Takane Lui - 149.8k
28) Hakui Koyori - 180.5k
29) Sakamata Chloe
30) Kazama Iroha

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>>13737646
>Hololive's new wave was 5x larger than Nijisanji's new wave last year
>Hololive's new wave is only 2x larger than Nijisanji's new wave this year
Reclining... Nijisanji's catching up...

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>>13738265
Untill we achieve 500k by december and 1mil by Jan/Feb

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>>13738265
Until next day I guess. Let's celebrate there's a 2view that was saved by Yagoo and is also a huge numberfag.

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Both are shitty but this one is less

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Koyori's debut is close to 1M views

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I approve Koyori to be our mascot.

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>>13738306
The fact Hololive can do this big without prior hype, no advertising and jut for word of mouth makes its more impressive.

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>>13738344
>1:00:11
The girl is too powerful

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>>13738280
Chloe is the most mysterious one
Will her mask be the buff?

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>>13738392
Nijisanji also announced Edengumi without any prior hype and advertising, it came out of nowhere.

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Putting Edengumi's debut number here for reference.

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>>13738417
Higher than Lui but lower than Laplus. The debut CCV rankings so far are exactly like that of gen 5's last year.

1st to debut - 2nd highest CCV
2nd to debut - lowest CCV
3rd to debut - highest CCV
4th to debut - 4th highest CCV
5th to debut - 3rd highest CCV

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>>13738432
But debuted after a week of the annoucement. With Gen 6 it was dropped for the day.

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>>13738432
Edengumi was announced on July 19th and they debuted on July 21st.

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Pink coyote just ended

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>>13738344 (me)
991k

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>>13738469
Lain...

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I swear to god if this thread ends up being the koyori general I'll murder every last one of you

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8WBVS5PDvw

BROS HAACHAMA IS FAKING DED

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>>13738680
Nah, OP here. I'm about to sleep. I'll change the OP to the usual manga panels tomorrow.

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>>13738392
I still can't believe it's fucking real
>Hey here's a new-gen and one of them will be debuting tonight
>Easy 150k+

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>>13738680
But this this koyote general anon

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>>13738392
>>13738807
All those doompostings after the announcement kek.

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>>13738344
1M views in 2 hours and 59 minutes

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>>13738807
Holo is just flexing at this point

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>>13738807
Total confidence in their brand power. They didn't wait for a public holiday either unlike when Nijisanji debuted Edengumi.

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>>13738807
To be fair there was actually hype for gen 6 even if it uncertain. The Holos been dropping hints here and there without knowing like Pekora mentioning that she notice a lot of new faces among the managers
Plus the long wait help building up the hype

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mafumafu will be the hope to break hololive's debut number

[Anonymous No.]

9k waiting for chammers

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>>13738505
I think that's because Botan's design is god-tier. Masked girl I'm not so sure

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>>13738306
I think that gen 5's debut numbers are the same if not better than eden's numbers is saying a lot. And that's with a year without a new wave hype.

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>>13738469
post the gen 5 one as well

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>>13739177
>hope
kek

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>>13739177
>hope
that's a hololive character ya know. her name is IRyS

[Anonymous No.]

2020/Last year Hololive median numbers minus December for those who are curious.

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>>13739448
Thank anon from the previous thread

[Anonymous No.]

Next mission for HoloX: beat Kronii's first SC reading stream

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I've checked this stream time to time seeing what's good from bili2 vtubers. Can't tell if their 3D dances is an MMD or not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md2HAlsr3_Y

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>>13739723
this is gonna be interesting. gen 6 is building up to be a numberfag gen to expand the market even more. the cunny outright asked for money.

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>>13739723
Not Kronii, Lauren. 59k

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>>13739817
>Lauren. 59k
what happened? they showed so much potential...

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>>13739764
>#Vtubers have no boarders
Kek, especially over the strait of Taiwan.

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>>13739528(me)
Don't have the ones from December but that's when the youtube viewer bug happened so all the numbers are down. Pekora is still first with 35k and Gura 2nd but numbers plummeted to 26k which I remember, resulted to some shitposting due to the 20k drop from previous month.

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>>13739528
that migo incline jesas

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>>13739528
wtf happened for pekkers between april and may? seems like a major defining moment and the second one would be september but that's the lead up to the PekoMoona arc no?

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>>13739876
They're still doing really good in terms of SCs. Basically all the tourists fucked off since they don't watch streams regularly and it was just the fujos and yumejos left being their faithful paypigs.

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>>13739898
MGS

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>>13739898
Metal Gear Solid.

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>>13739723
Cunny begged for money, which can both backfire and increase it. If she comes of as a poorfag and not a beggar then it will be an increase, but the other way around or even worse entitled then she might be fucked for sc. fucked as in not top of the sc game, probably will still get a normal amount.

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>>13739898
MGS, which is why not getting Konami perms is such a massive shame.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is3N7fWqupI
new blue axolotl arc?

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>>13739898
MGS streams. consistent 30-40k, and the last stream is 50k iirc.

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>>13739549
Where's aloe's?

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>>13739957
doesn't that mean Hololive's tactic of quality over quantity works?

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>>13740092
Kek she can get in that range just playing a decent game nowadays. Really show how much she have grown since debut

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>>13739764
I clicked and watch the link.

>All vtubers should try and explore other languages. I've been practicing my chinese a lot.
There's ENG panderers and then there's chinese ones.

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>>13740222
well, they should learn this since it's international. the stream is clearly chink pandering

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>>13740222
Look, as long as you avoid actually entering mainland china proper as a business, it's fine. Getting your money OUT of China is always the issue, but if they come to you? Rob em blind. Also Taiwan is fair game.

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>>13740222
I wouldn't be surprised if there were more Chinese stealth-watching the gen 6 debuts than there were the big bilibili collab.

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>>13739898
Basically this
>>13739998
>>13740006
>>13740037
>>13740092
>>13740188

It's not just that, but it's one of the first major "arc" of her Holo career
MGS is good, don't get me wrong, but it's not the kind of game people think she would enjoy
The fact she's so invested in it is what made it so good

Also explain why you'd see Big boss peko fanart sometime, and why she plays him on Smash

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>>13740161
Only living chuubas count

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>>13740375
Imagine some CN fan just blasting the debut on some huge ass monitor or sth
Your social credit will be in the gutter, but it's worth it

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contrary to popular belief, I think Hololive is still very popular in China.

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>>13739764
Is this event the equivalent of a large niji event getting mogged by a normal Holo stream? They can't even beat A-Soul and one of the A-soul members doubled their numbers. Nijisanji just can't keep losing.

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Surprisingly not even Pekora get top 5 today. Does 47K is considered mid tier now???

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>>13740705
eslchammer...

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>>13740583
It's. You can go to BiliBili and Holo clips is still popular on that chinksite especially EN

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>>13740583
No shit. We have more stealth watchers but they still watch. China needs more Hololive that Hololive needs them.

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>>13740583
It is, the issue being that due to its blacklisted status on BB, it makes things....tricky. To be fair...if you're still okay with Hololive as a mainlander, you probably watch via VPN through HK most likely. SC will also be in HK, as it's probably less of a problem vs VPN through TW.

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>>13740759
Wait I thought Chinese hate EOP. Why they watch Holo associate with w*ite??

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8WBVS5PDvw

Is 10k normal for chammer in this timeslot?

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>>13740583
It is. People just blindly believe that Hololive is heavily censored in China just because of that isekai anime. Fans still exists, clippers and clips still exist, and hell there's even re-streams of Hololive streams on some sites (albeit paywalled because of faggots taking advantage).
But China bad amirite.

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>>13740705
Not exactly
The top 5 is basically a debut stream, after debut collab and another collab + Mori's game ending stream
The number will be inflated as fuck during these debut days. Pekora still maintain her usual number so there's nothing to worry about here

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* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *

Here it goes
>180,499: Koyori (Hololive)
>68,251: Lui (Hololive)
>52,326: Marine (Hololive)
>47,840: Pekora (Hololive)
>45,552: Fubuki (Hololive)
>31,622: Subaru (Hololive)
>26,942: Gwelu (Nijisanji)
>26,324: Kanata (Hololive)
>24,617: Shion (Hololive)
>22,752: Miko (Hololive)
>22,253: Ibrahim (Nijisanji)
>20,991: Kanata (Hololive)
>17,653: Calli (Hololive)
>15,924: Maimoto (Nijisanji)
>15,221: Mito (Nijisanji)
>14,773: Watame (Hololive)
>14,734: Fauna (Hololive)
>14,595: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>14,435: Aqua (Hololive)
>14,243: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>13,728: Lize (Nijisanji)
>12,898: Nui (Nijisanji)
>12,838: Lamy (Hololive)
>12,196: Botan (Hololive)
>11,831: Shubuya Hal (Nijisanji)
>10,925: yorumi rena (Nijisanji)
>10,733: kson (Indie)
>10,154: Haachama (Hololive)

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>>13740820
They hate burgers anon

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/pbZYQDRMs6g
>#shorts
abusing the algorithm, I love it

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>>13740854
She's probably starting to incline a bit again thanks to her association with La+, plus tourist+ buff thanks to the new gen bringing in eyes.
>>13740820
ESL faggot, there's 1+ billion people in China, and not everyone is a brainwashed bug. Differing opinions DO exist.

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>>13740705
>not even Pekora get top 5 today
Wut? What are you talking about?

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>>13740856
Welp they should have not ran an intense hate campaign against an talent if they like hololive so much. Also bilibi are taking hololive out of anything offical not even the just iskeai show but jahly and detective is dead show.

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PFFFT LMAO

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>>13741129
So does this mean she receive no sub today? How?

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>>13740854
>Is 10k normal for chammer in this timeslot?
Chammers taking 10k in any timeslot is not unusual when she's in a stride but today, in particular, is part of her "JP6 domination arc" or sorts

See the video she made just before the stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hpNgAa9pq0

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>>13741025
A bunch of chink faggots on nga aren't the entire fanbase, or else retarded cumbuds acting out like brainrotted number monkeys would represent all of Gura's fans.

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>>13741199
Suan...

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>>13741129

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>>13741264
what fuckery is this why is she getting culled right now

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>>13741199
She offset a 50k cull today. Her undebutted mates were not so lucky

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>>13740931
Wrong. You didn't include the collab stream on Koyori's channel. It got 60k+

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>>13741328
Midnight stream counts for the next day.

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Why does Holo have so much overhead above the talents? It’s like people have multiple managers, ancillary staff, and other shit. Is Yagoo paying off Yakuza?

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>>13741328
>Wrong. You didn't include the collab stream on Koyori's channel. It got 60k+
Timezone reps anon, it started after midnight JST and counts for the day after
https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/archives-ranking?date=2021-11-29

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>>13741245
Yeah Susan can cull but basically no one sub to her today which is weird
She's still exploding on social medias

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>>13741303
It's not that she's getting culled right now, moreso she's offset the cull she got earlier. They're all getting capped in the knees right now, but the hype of a new JP gen after 15 months is immense and is fighting against Susan's sabotage right now.

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>>13741303
Holooks fags got too cocky mocking council. Really thought they wouldn't get hit with the same shit.

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>>13740965
They've been told to make #shorts by their managers.

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>>13741366
>It’s like people have multiple managers, ancillary staff, and other shit.
They don't. They should, there is AT MOST, with the hiring spree of the late 2021, one manager for each major talent and several talents sharing managers.

The fact it is up to talent themselves to copyedit and post their stream reservations, channel descriptions and tweets shows how little people are involved in managing them

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>>13741403
>Really thought they wouldn't get hit with the same shit
??

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>>13741390
>but basically no one sub to her today which is weird
Are you daft
>50k people subs
>53k subs get culled
>end result: -3k subs

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>>13741199
No, it's just the youtube spam check is killing her new subs. 1 sub purged for every 1 new sub.

[Anonymous No.]

I found an old post on /jp/ that explains the hololive culture. I wonder if niji can follow this with their newer gens to recreate the success.

First, I want to clarify that everything I'm going to say now has an asterisk. It is liable to change and be proven wrong, and my definition relies on assumptions about the intent of Cover Corp. With that said, I'll try to give my best answer.
In the shortest words possible: Hololive Culture is Corporate Culture. It is determined by Cover, and is liable to change on the decision of the suits who run it. But that's not useful for discussion, so it raises a new question: What culture does Cover determine Hololive to have?
That's hard to determine, because Cover is notoriously hands off. They mostly let their talents do whatever they want. So to define "Hololive Culture" from that, we must go off what they have reacted against, and determine that Hololive Culture is defined by what Cover decides it is not. Looking at the incidents where Cover reacts, and what few standards Cover imposes on the talents, we can chart a rough estimate of Hololive Culture.
First: Cover has imposed a standard of keeping the entertainment "safe." No politics, no current events, no controversial issues imposed on talents or controversial people associated with them. The strongest evidence of this? Hitomi Chris being sacked for having a legitimate controversial element in how they entered Hololive is one. The newly defined rules from the Taiwan incident. Cover rejecting a collab with Project Melody outright. The fact that Cover was willing to bring Aloe back shows that they decide themselves what counts as a true controversy worth acting on. Another is the first Asacoco incident, where it was allowed to do as it wished until Coco's "Suicide Forest" joke, after which Cover determined Coco went too far, nerfing Asacoco thereafter. So the first facet of Hololive Culture is "Safe Entertainment." That is not to say that it cannot be edgy; only that it cannot cause legitimate controversy as determined by Cover.
The second thing that Cover promotes within their company is family/bonds. Cover has consistently moved to make the talent have genuine bonds with each other. They protect each other, they interact often, and they hold no ill will against each other. This is true within generations and within the company as a whole. The best way to define this is in opposition to the competition, Nijisanji, where cliques are well known and have caused issues in the company. So the second facet of Hololive Culture is best defined as "Family."
The last thing that seems to be a rule regarding Hololive Culture is Kayfabe. The Live2D/model is important; the talent within Hololive is separate from that talent outside of Hololive. But to be fair, this is the sloppiest rule out of the three I've managed to define. Talents are allowed to have their own careers outside of Hololive, and they are allowed to put a lot of effort into it, even after recruitment. See: Azki, Luna, Noel, Coco, Mori, Kiara, for a few examples I'm aware of. But they still have to respect and interact with the kayfabe on the Hololive clock. This is the most arbitrary one so far, though, because there isn't much to go off of for definition. The most is that recruitment advertisements make it clear to not talk about recruitment into Hololive to the public under your persona, and as far as I know, talents have not directly referenced their other personas online, although subtle references are allowed: The best example I can give for that is Polka's hair streak, but that can be argued as nebulous. Suffice to say, I defer to the management's judgement on how strictly kayabe must be adhered to, but recognize that it clearly exists. So that's the last facet I can pin down as an example of Hololive Culture: "Kayfabe."
All of this falls under the umbrella of Corporate deciding what is and is not allowed. If you truly want to disregard the idea of a culture, then the barest you can say is that Hololive Culture is "Whatever Cover decides it is." But if we take that initial description and factor in what Cover has decided to act against, a picture can be formed to define the culture.
>TL;DR:
Hololive, as determined by Cover, has a culture of safe entertainment where the boundaries can be pushed, but not too far. Hololive is also a group where everyone within holds respect for each other. Finally, it is defined by the kayfabe that exists with the use of it's anime models, to separate the talent's true self from their persona, although to what extent is unknown. But most importantly, these cultural rules are not determined by law, or by the talent; it is defined by the management and the people who run the company.
Whatever Cover allows to happen is Hololive Culture. If you see a talent do it without incident, it is allowed by Hololive Culture. If Cover ever acts to restrict the talent, then what they stop is not Hololive Culture. Simple as.

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck you Susan

[Anonymous No.]

>>13741533
The other two might go under 100k if the cull is still active today

[Anonymous No.]

So its safe to say we can literally never get another Gura because of Susan? Or at the very least, we need a chuuba that goes viral after a week not during debut week?

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>>13741432
Yeah, that the staff don’t do much is part of the problem.

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>>13741572
>goes viral after a week not during debut week
They can still get culled if they experienced explosive growth.

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>>13741572
If Cover were competent enough to learn from NijiEN by putting videos on the channels they wouldn't be culled this hard, Ethyria were barely touched and culled only once.

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>>13741470
Ah ok sorry I didn't look at the image under.
That is quite a big hit isn't it?

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>>13741533
Get fucked holobronies. Stop botting. You're lucky the channels don't get outright banned.

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>>13741617
Because their subs were way less.

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>>13741572
>viral
Anything viral is getting killed. Youtube is enforcing slow and steady subs, especially if you're a vtuber.

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>>13741638
Par for the course

>>13741617
> Ethyria were barely touched and culled only once.
Yeah, it helps that it took them about a full month to get the number of subs HoloX gets, it didn't even TICKLE the spam AI spidersense.

Even Sony chuubas got culled and they started from 2k subs or so. There is no trickery to avoid culls, they just happen

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>>13741518
I remember this post, and the answer is "no".

That would require uppe ding their entire business model from the ground up because of structural and cultural incompatibilities. At that point, you may as well just create a completely new chuuba organization and start from scratch, or transfer talents that want to move.

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>>13741656
>>13741731
Cope, they happen less if you're smart and don't reveal an empty channel before subs start trickling in. Ethyria solved the issue, it has nothing to do with how fast they gain subs if even Sony's midgets are getting culled.

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>>13741746
>At that point, you may as well just create a completely new chuuba organization and start from scratch, or transfer talents that want to move.
What if they create a side branch? I don't think niji is ever shy about the idea of having multiple branches that serve different purposes.

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When is Gura getting culled? It's not fair.

[Anonymous No.]

The brand buff is too powerful. But i still prefer who start from 2view like Miko and Subaru. They are the worst member in the past and now become the one who can stand against gen 3. Its just like an anime plot.

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>>13741777
>Ethyria solved the issue
They got culled all the same.

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>>13741777
>Ethyria solved the issue
No they did not. Stop spreading lies, anon.

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>>13741809
>But i still prefer who start from 2view like Miko and Subaru
Sora...

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>>13741790
Here's the problem: livers join nijisanji because they enjoy nijisanji culture. Niji will have a much harder time recruiting for a holo-like side-branch that has minimal male collabs.

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>>13737750
No, during the VNUMA days we used to hit the auto-archive limit. RIP VNUMA.

Although to be fair the board is a lot more active now so threads get pushed off faster.

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>>13738392
It could be that this the old method of weeks of hype is not as effective as people though. If Nijisanji used the same approach of 'guerilla-announcement and same-day debut' for Edengumi they would have very similar numbers

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>>13741814
>>13741855
They only got culled once and for a miniscule number, because they smartly put videos on their channels before debut. They didn't get culled repeatedly every day like Council and HoloX

[Anonymous No.]

>PSSSSSST
HEY ANONS!
>why are they dancing?
>who is inside the coffin?

Also, you are listening to this song in your head in full surround sound

[Anonymous No.]

>>13741994
this needs to be updated with gen 6

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>>13741933
Nijisanji debuted Edengumi a mere 2 days after the announcement, on a Friday that was also a public holiday leading to a long weekend, in the midst of the Koshien tournament superbuff boosting the entire company. They had more than their fair share of buffs.

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>>13741940
>They only got culled once
They got culled proportional to the number of subs they had. Very little cull for very little subs.

The bot was then satisfied that they didn't have anything left to cull because they didn't show any growth.
Short summary is: midgets get their legs chopped the least

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>>13741666
This is correct.
After Dream hacked the algo, and then Beluga did the same...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5-3gotpgz8
Youtube wants to stop things like THIS from EVER happening again. I believe that the changes to the algo in August are a direct result of things like this, to restrict how quickly someone can amass subs.

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>>13741746
NijiEN was basically their answer to this. They copied Holo's "family" culture with "better chemistry" as coined by their shills. They forced their talents to larp on twitter, and appear on each others chat all the time. They implemented collab bans/restrictions and forced them to participate in management organized collabs.

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>>13741882
Sora is a mascot. She is the first face of Hololive. She dont stream everyday like Miko when she still 2view.

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>>13741809
Only Miko would qualify as a 2 view. Sora and Subaru were hitting 4 digits on a regular basis even back then (after Sora's big break of course).

Hololive being a super small company even back then is a bit overblown. Sure, they were small but the viewership they got in 2018/2019 would make them #2 today behind only Niji. Still bigger than groups like 774, VOMS, and Re:ACT are now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13741889
>livers join nijisanji because they enjoy nijisanji culture
People join Nijisanji because they were bigger back then. Now, people join them cause they got rejected by Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

hololive
>pay for sub bots
nijisanji
>pay for view ads

[Anonymous No.]

>>13741805
Algorithm is new and only work towards new channels that gain lots of subs "out of nowhere", is stupid and sadly since no big name is getting targeted no one is saying a thing about it, you just gotta wait for some of the big names to say something.

[Anonymous No.]

WHO WOULD WIN THIS BATTLE FOR 200k SUBS

>THIS OJISAN?
>YOUR OSHI?

THE ANSWER WILL CHOP YOUR SUBS AND CULL YOUR WAITING ROOM NUMBERS

[Anonymous No.]

>>13741533
The should have just debuted them all in one day with a relay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13741940
Having content or not does nothing. The AI wants a growth within its own prediction and it will enforce that prediction with culls. Nijis didn't get hit as much because their growth was already close to what the AI predicted (meaning slow and steady). Same with omega's channel, which still has no content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13738386
>>13738326
this

[Anonymous No.]

>>13742115
Unless you are male then obviously Niji is the place to be. I'd also say that Niji is a better choice if you just want to be a part time vtuber for some extra income. Hololive seems to have a lot more expectations for their talents and you are expected to make it your full time job.

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>>13741809
subaru was never 2view
did you mean suisei but than she does not join cover until much later and is a different style of streamer
miko is the only one got stuck in 2view status for like 9 months and cried for graduation, but somehow manage to grind to the top which I don't think anyone can replicate again

[Anonymous No.]

>>13741304
Congratulations YAGOO for 200k subs!

[Anonymous No.]

>>13741805
10k a day on a channel that already has 3.6m subs won't trigger the AI. Going from 0 subs to many thousands in a day will.

[Anonymous No.]

>HAYAI!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaPblAOx_Sk

Everything got made too fast, from the original Chama diss rap to Laplace diss response to Kanauru mashup.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13742190
Nah, what they're doing now will build a loyal core base for the entire gen by the time of the last debut, with the added benefit of dominating vtubing mindshare for 5 successive days. That's more important than avoiding sub culls that no one truly understands

[Anonymous No.]

>>13742152
Did YAGOO sub got culled?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13741518
Nah, it's too late for them to copy Hololive. They'll always be a clear second if they follow Hololive and Suits wouldn't like that. There is a need for niji to be different to set them apart from Hololive, but the path they've taken aren't working out in the long run. Shotgunning debuts would just thin the overall experience for the viewers. There's a celebration formed from having new gens in Hololive whereas it's only a normal event for Niji to debut livers every 3 months except for Edengumi.

Honestly, I'm just waiting for them to accept defeat. There was a post not too long ago about one of their higher ups saying that what they're doing is for the benefit of the industry, not just for themselves. They've become the martyr to make Vtubing more mainstream when Hololive had a large contribution to the whole industry as compared to what they did back in 2018-19. 2020 had created more Indies/companies they could ever imagine just because Hololive became big. I want that guy to change his mind now after seeing that failure of a big event from China tonight.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13742251
Expectations must be low if they are cool with Sana taking a month long break and whatever the fuck Ayame is doing. I thought the one thing on their application was -stream at least 3 times a week.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13742251
>Hololive seems to have a lot more expectations for their talents and you are expected to make it your full time job.
Oh man, how many schizo do you want to summon with that statement anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13742412
That interview was in the context of the vtubing academy, he's not going to admit to anything unless the academy is a flop.

[Anonymous No.]

02:18 Monday, November 29, 2021 (GMT+9)
Marine 32k stable

[Anonymous No.]

>>13740931
>Shibuya Hal
>Nijisanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>13741809
Suisei...

[Anonymous No.]

>>13741809
Koyori was a 2 view, spent 2 years grinding only to get 17k subs in 2020. She got in Hololive and was finally able to earn her prize.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13738680
It's better than the usual shonenshit let's be real

[Anonymous No.]

>>13742526
Suma, ne! Too late to fix it, let's just call him "honorary Nijisanji" for the day.

Goes to show how little attentin people pay to the text and how much more eyeballs the image gets

[Anonymous No.]

>>13740931
>14,595: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
KING I KNEEL

[Anonymous No.]

>>13741533
Council schizo BTFO

[Anonymous No.]

>>13740931
>King is under the Gwelu line
Graduation when?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13742313
Is there anyone else on Kanauru's level making 3D fan videos like these? His shit is great.

[Anonymous No.]

Laplace attracts Gura fans

Rui attracts girls who are into elegant women

Koyori attracts the numberfags and also the ones who are into cute stuff

[Anonymous No.]

>>13741994
>>13742032
add the niji logo in the coffin

[Anonymous No.]

>>13741264
More culls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13741994
Vampires sleep in coffins...
Kuzuha-san...

[Anonymous No.]

Five things about NijiEN performance in the past two days

1) What a brutal beating they took in this cross company "crab game" collab. That really should put this type of ideas in the freezer until they can stabilize their audience which clearly shrieks away from such events
2) The peak for whatever top performer of each hour improved significantly from the past few days, except for Selen, which reclined. It seems to show a convergence of the branch to around 2.5k peaks
3) Likewise the 7.5k hard ceiling that capped the sum of peaks for all of them seems to have increased, when the right circumstances allow, to around 9k (but still under 10k)
4) They really seem to be upping their game and the only thing that could hurt their momentum would be
>releasing Wave 4 too soon

[Anonymous No.]

>>13742882
It's not more culls, dummy. Take laPlace, she clearly went from 371k at >>13741264 to 373k at >>13742882.
It is just that in the period of 24 hours between now and then she had 4k more subs than now.

Shouldn't the numbers thread be good with numbers?

[Anonymous No.]

300k views already for Koyori's cover.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13742996
>releasing Wave 4 too soon
Which we now for a fucking FACT that they WILL do

[Anonymous No.]

>TICK AND TOCK DOG-GIRL!
Isn't it incredible that Korone never managed to open a significant different from Fubuki even having beaten her to 1M about a year ago, and now Fubuki is on pace of catch back up to her?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13742996
I think crab game itself was an issue.
The game is a Twitch meta game, not Youtube. And even then it was only popular because big twitch streamers played it.

[Anonymous No.]

Its all fun and games until you realize that Kuzuha's recent recline correlates pretty obviously with that stream where he LARP'd as a girl. Manjisanji fans hate females that much that even pretending to be one will cause them to drop you like a bad habit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13743167
Just wait will Mr.Koro returns from her SFV training and BTFO every doubter IRL

[Anonymous No.]

>>13743288
Sasuga nijisisters

[Anonymous No.]

>>13738417
Considering all of the HoloX had designs similar or at least referencing their previous ones, could she be Nanana?

If so, then all of GenX are good singers too.
At least expecting the last 2 to release good numbers covers the next 2 days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13743167
Has someone made a video of holo sub counts over time?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13743288
He didn't 'recline'. Take your meds. It's just his game choices + APEX being dead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13743427
There's one. Probably outdated

[Anonymous No.]

>>13743398
Does this girl has any connection with Boogey Voxx? Fra tweeted about her and only her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13743427
Multiple times, there are nip channels that do that both for Holo only and for vtubers in general

[Anonymous No.]

>>13743453
COPE

[Anonymous No.]

>>13743453
Anon numbers being up before and down later implies a recline.
You are explaining the cause of the recline, not proving it does not exist.

You are implying it is a temporary recline, which is still a recline

[Anonymous No.]

>>13743398
I would KNEEL. I still remember her KING cover from the ads it showed up in. Its still one of the best KING covers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13743497
It's gonna be wild if they visualize the non-sense that's happening with HoloX subs.

[Anonymous No.]

Let's say that Gibara reincarnate on Chloe or Iroha. Will make her floor number higher than most HoloX or decrease?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13743536
He was getting good numbers on Splatoon just a few days ago. He's still going to be above everyone but Pekora and Marine this month in average CCV.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13743398
the only thing that might disprove this rrat is that Nanana doesn't English, while Chloe replied to Ollie's tweet with fluent English. but we'll see.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13738417
If she can't take off the mask that would be a permanent debuff

[Anonymous No.]

>>13743590
>It's gonna be wild if they visualize the non-sense that's happening with HoloX subs.
Wut? You truly must be new here. You can visualize it yourself
https://trackholo.live/en/

Just click "Hide all" and then click only the two from HoloX
(Then do the same for council)

For the already debuted, they blasted through the cull as if it was nothing, the two still not debuted will catch up as they debut.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13743703
No, no,I meant in VIDEO form more than anything, I'm well aware of what it looks like on a graph, but putting it out there and seeing the numbers spaz up and down would be funny is all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13743622
Out of curiosity what is his average?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13743652
DeepL does wonders

[Anonymous No.]

>>13743622
>He was getting good numbers on Splatoon just a few days ago.
True
>He's still going to be above everyone but Pekora and Marine this month in average CCV.
In November? Maybe, I don't know if old man Maimoto has the required 5 streams to feature in the ranking but it could really slip depending on where he lands.

I'll run the numbers and check and maybe post a provisional chart for the month with the numbers so far

[Anonymous No.]

>>13741533
Next gen everyone will debut on the same day

[Anonymous No.]

>>13743684
It would be extremely painful for her growth if that happens.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13743822
I doubt. I bet Cover prioritizes a HUGE spectacle of multiple days with
1) one HUGE stream
2) multiple smaller streams basking on the attention with inflated numbers
over a sub count that will never stop growing regardless of any setback in the first few days.

Hell, Fubuki WEAKEST stream of her past four was a 24k TTRPG

[Anonymous No.]

>>13743489
>>13743652
Sounds like a no, her En was rare, very cute, but grade school level.

[Anonymous No.]

Number newfag here. Why do you guys treat average liveviewership as the important number to talk about even though when the average youtube browser clicks into a channel, the first thing they'll see is sub numbers and then after that vod views?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13742069
Unfortunately, all they did was an attempt at making pared-down imitation of the original's "family" culture while trying to keep the structural elements of their own company. This, along with completely snubbing the international markets for so long, has made them look like an "also ran" as when compared to both Hololive's structured, controlled, "safe" environment and VShojo's laissez-faire approach.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13744053
sub numbers alone won't make money

[Anonymous No.]

>>13743822
I hope not. Debuting new gen over five days period where every day they are topping the daily ranking and Twitter trends is way better although at the cost of subs culling. Also it gives viewers more time to know about them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13743566
Link it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13744124
Well no not by itself, but a higher sub count would also mean a higher membership count and also helps a lot with youtubes shitty algo wouldn't it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13744183
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms0rToKR848
>4.3M views
Jesas

[Anonymous No.]

>>13744196
>Well no not by itself, but a higher sub count would also mean a higher membership count
Not necessarily. That would imply Moona has more members than Shion, which I doubt

[Anonymous No.]

Why hololive has so much power in the debut numbers (brand buff) but not so much in related terms (google search etc). If brand growth is a main culprit here should not all other stats also be x2 x3 over niji? But they on the same level.

Did they growhack YT in someway?

[Anonymous No.]

Don't bait

[Anonymous No.]

>>13744053
It show how much people you can attract at any given time, it also show how much of your sub willing to watch you. Sub and VOD view is what I call "passive numbers" and live viewers is "active numbers"
It basically reflect different thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>13744053
Dead subs problem. CCV also shows how many people are actual committed fans who are willing to drop other activities to watch their oshi live. This links to SC and future concert/merch sales numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13744220
She was once known as the most viewed KING until Kuzuha took that position.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13744053
>sub numbers
They don't mean much other than who is interested in the channel. The potential total audience of the channel.

>VOD views
This is the measure of the potential audience of the content.

>Live Viewership
Captive audience.

People tend to use CCV because it is an analog to traditional television. It also serves as an easy shiposting metric on a moment-to-moment basis. Like how trending is perceived.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13744053
>, the first thing they'll see is sub numbers and then after that vod views?
Pic related, Exhibit A

>QED

[Anonymous No.]

>>13743074
Or, you know, everyone lost ~40k subs and La+ gained 38k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13744507
She is a great singer and reading archive it seems some people want her to join gen 6.

[Anonymous No.]

Here is the list of the recent HoloGra. Two things

1) Ayame is just WOW!
2) M-Matsuri... ;-(

[Anonymous No.]

>>13744596
If that was the case, between pic A and pic B she would have lost 2k instead of gained 2k

Tell a better pair
>smooth brains and numbers thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>13744615
Loli Mio real fucking strong. 1.9m

[Anonymous No.]

>>13740931
wow what happened with kuzuha?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13744615
I'm seeing all this as the Loli Mio episode having over solicited the animators, writers and budget, because all that followed were lower concept and effort than the ones before that and got lower numbers due to lower re-play value.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13744615
the TV Dinner one defenetly got a boost from having that Tambourine Club thing in it. shits catchy and fun to watch as seen by people cliping it, making a longer version and making a irl version of it

[Anonymous No.]

>>13744220
Fuck, this could be a perfect addition to Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13744957
non-zero chance, she's purged everything but her cover songs by the looks of it and the timing is approximate. It'd be the highest subbed reincarnation of the batch so far though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13745075
I don't know, she graduated in September 10th, seems kinda late but could still be

[Anonymous No.]

>>13741304
So the play from now on has to be to debut as quickly as possible, right? Otherwise the culling kills your momentum before you even get off the ground like what we saw with Council.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13745178
The cull didn't kill Council momentum, their constant breaks and lack of vision for where they wanted to lead their streams (schedule, games, even style) did that

[Anonymous No.]

>>13744343
Because the Hololive talents are more popular than the brand. And since each talent is shilling for the debuts, their fans don't need to use google search to discover the channels. Nijisanji, on the other hand, the brand is bigger than the talents. And the contents sometimes too niche to overlap with other livers, so nijifans only follow one or two livers, and if your livers are not shilling the other livers (contrasting niches, etc), then chances are you'll miss out on the debuts/events, and you'll have to use google search to discover Nijisanji.
In short, Hololive tourists don't need to use "hololive" tag to discover Hololive while Nijisanji tourists need to use "Nijisanji" tag to discover Nijisanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13744220
The group she was with is famous for getting a lot of subs from buying ads for their covers.
King was playing as an ad till about 1.2 million views if we estimated right.

That King cover did get a lot of traction after though, because of her switching female to male voices midway. Also, it's really good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13744957
>>13745075
>>13745114
Millions of people gave her a chance, and millions of people said "no, thanks". I don't think she would be a good addition just because she can sing. She'll need to bring other things to the table.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13745243
I mean, both did. You can't tell me that losing such a significant number of subs so many times in the lead up to and days after debut doesn't have a huge adverse effect on channel momentum.

[Anonymous No.]

Here is the top 50 for the month of November so far.
Here are some comments

1) Pekora needs 3 streams over 36k to overtake Nijisanji channel for #1 (assuming they won't stream again in November)
2) As it is now Suisei only needs one stream with a higher CCV than Kuzuha's median to overtake him
3) Miko is, so far, ahead of Kuzuha
4) Mito and Kanae area back over 10k, but trailing Lize and Fuwa
5) 5k doesn't put you in the top 50 but very close (#51 is Ars Aimal with 5015, followed by Choco with 4804)
6) Nijisanji has 3 channels in the top 10, 7 in the top 20 and 17 channels in the top 50

[Anonymous No.]

>>13745523
According to google the subs disappear from the public subs list without actually being noticeable for the person that got unsubbed.
They claim the user still gets notifications, still sees the channel in their subs list and that the only effect is removing it from the sub count,

If that's the case there should be no momentum lost from the sub cull

[Anonymous No.]

>>13745572
EN needs to develop the minecraft server.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13745572
Fuck, the en girls are so STUPID ARGH.
Just needed a stream or two after the SportsFes to milk the remaining buff, but nooo, they couldn't be arsed to do that, whereas plenty of the JP talents did so. Like goddamn those would be likely easy 10k streams for many of them and it's help put a nice closure to the entire thing on the en side, but instead....
Sigh, I dunno man. I'm impressed by Mori and IRyS this month, but gods it's kinda a little disappointing otherwise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13745629
>According to google the subs disappear from the public subs list
There was definitely some actual unsubbing happening, I definitely was unsubbed from most of the girls. More than once even.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13745629
As far as we know, that could partially be the case, but a lot of people still reported getting unsubbed several times.
Not just from Hololive, but from smaller channels which saw a growth spur, then got kneecapped.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13745629
Susan claims a lot of things, most of it is utter bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13745893
True, they straight up denied it for 1-2 days until too many people complained.
They were posting that condescending "why people could be unsubscribing" to everyone on Twitter, even though, it's 2021 and with Recommended videos completely overwriting subscriptions, no one needs to unsubscribe to anything, especially not in drones, during a growth spur.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13745657
>>13745699
Yeah, all of EN being in the top 50 is a nice feat but the branch hanging on a position in the 10 by the sleep schedule and overalh health of Gura and the fact the new JP girls didn't stream enough this month to count is concerning to say the least.

Here is the full chart, with some comments
1) Aki irregular schedule got the best of her again and she is back to the tail end of Hololive JP, overtaking (undertaking?) Roboco to the last place.
2) Bora Nun and Selen are head to head to the top of the "minor foreign branches" (non JP, non HoloEN), leading Ollie by a healthy margin.
3) Moona break in this crucial moment of incline plus their retreat to the indonesian audience costed her some growth and even Elira outpaced her this month
4) Speaking of Elira she's truly showing signs of a persistent incline, setting herself apart from her branch

Any further comment on things I'm not seeing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13745699
IRyS took decent advantage of the festival buff but had to kneecap herself with the days off for music production.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13746198
Here is the same table, sorted by number of streams.
Streaming more does not necessarily means an incline (see Aruran absurd number of streams, is he trying for some challenge?) but whenever you have to ask
>Why did X reclined this month

You can safely look for X in the lower bottom of that table
>Moona
>Aki
>Aqua
>Mito (despite the Oct to Nov incline)
>Kronii

[Anonymous No.]

>minecraft youtuber 400k+ live viewers
VTUBERS MOGGED

[Anonymous No.]

In midget news, Shino Laila of WACTOR suspended for breaching their contract right after the big crab game collab.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13746835
>suspended for breaching their contract
Wut? Was it something she did in game, the fact she participated at all or something else?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13746198
Kronii doesn't stream much that her median would be 10k+ if she were to stream minecraft back to back, but it seems like she's more than satisfied with her numbers. No one in council is ambitious. They seem like "chemistry" hires since after their debuts, you don't hear nijiniggers shilling their chemistry anymore. NijiENs are just there. Existing. That's about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>fubuki catching up to korone
>marine catching up to pekora

[Anonymous No.]

how do you feel about 9 million sub youtubers getting 500k~ approx viewers and bribers being unable to get it up

[Anonymous No.]

>>13746588
Do you have one for hours streamed?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13746859
Apparently she was trying to jump ship to Nijisanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>13746889
Watching the sudden impromptu Council collab last night on Fauna's RE stream, that genuinely does seem to be the focus of this gen (regardless of people who are going to say that's an EN2 "cope").

For better or worse, EN2 will be a gen that fills in the gaps for collabs and group content and not a gen of top-tier stars in numbers, which from what we've seen they all seem to be more than happy with. The question is if an eventual EN3 will attempt to bring in big hitters or numberfags to try and spearhead a new stage of growth, or if it'll be more of the same.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13746198
>Korone had only 4 streams this month and isn't making the list.
Bros...

[Anonymous No.]

>>13746198
If Gura can't recover her sickness for december, i can see she being left out of the top 10 .

[Anonymous No.]

>>13746960
Only for Hololive, as Mado doesn't have the average for the streams.
I'll check VRabi in a month or two to see if 1) they survived and 2) if they have accurate enough numbers

If they have I'll have too, for all companies they carry

[Anonymous No.]

>hololive has 5 billion views

[Anonymous No.]

>>13747062
With the success of holoX so far, Cover might actually recruit numberfags for EN3 just to give the previous gens a nudge that would inspire them to work harder.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13747158
I still think Council was designed to compliment Myth.

[Anonymous No.]

Half a million people watching some random Minecraft dude, more than Coco's graduation. Now we know why hololive abuses Minecraft so much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13747209
The 10-14 y/o demographic on Youtube is no fucking joke.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13747066
If she returns in november with one (1) stream there are three alternatives
1) her return is over 23.360 and this number becomes the new median
2) her return is over 16578 but under 23360 and the return number becomes the new median
3) her return is under 16578 and this number becomes the new median

I would say 23360 would become her median for november if she returned this month, putting her just over Kuzuha but under Miko

[Anonymous No.]

HOLOSHIT DESTROYED

[Anonymous No.]

>>13747209
based mc youtuber dabbing on all of you
he’s nearing 500k rn

[Anonymous No.]

>>13743398
I believe this rrat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13747209
random Minecraft dude has 9.5 million subs, over 1 billion channel views, is the 2nd most popular Minecraft streamer ever and it doesn't look like this is even in his top 10 highest CCV streams.
The fact that Hololive is even comparable says more about the growth of Vtubing than his audience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13747067
She's stated she has the flu. At worst, she'll be out until her outfit reveal, at best she'll be back sometime early this week. Really depends, flu can really be a roulette at times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13747307
>9M subs youtuber
>can't even get more than 5% to watch his stream
<DEAD SUBS?
>DEAD SUBS!

[Anonymous No.]

>>13747414
the number is increasing rapidly.
if he goes for hours 1m live viewers imminent

[Anonymous No.]

>>13747399
True actually. I didn’t think of that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13746889
>chemistry gen
You hit the nail on the head. They were very much hired to compliment Myth. For as outstanding as Myth has performed they don't have the best group dynamics. Council is a million times more outgoing and social. Bae especially is a collab monster who can hit it off with anybody. IRyS also works great with everybody but they lucked out with that since she obviously wasn't hired for that purpose.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13747307
>>13747326
>>13747399
>>13747414
Has anyone done a comparison of Hololive/vtubers to the rest of the youtubing/streaming community?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13747408
>At worst, she'll be out until her outfit reveal
There's more than a week left until the outfits, and she already took 2 days off. Has to be really bad for that to happen or the coof.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13747816
Need to have a solid foundation before you can hire more ambitious ones I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13747392
If only Nanana revealed her face earlier, that could have saved her a bit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13747863
That would be silly for the exact reason that one anon came with that number.
180k, 196k, 205k, even 491k are ABSURDLY BIG numbers for vtubers while they're just another day for streamers at the top of Youtube game.

Doing that would be like comparing HoloJP with NijiKR, a pointless exercise despite Bora Nun exceeding all expectations

[Anonymous No.]

>>13747863
We sometimes pull the Top Twitch and get surprised that the top vtuber streams would be in the top 5 at at time, but it's a very different environment and time frame.

The Minecraft streamers are in a league of their own and the biggest ones rarely stream nowadays, that's why it's such an event whenever something happens to pull them together.

The other YT streamers, Dr. Disrespect and Timman get around 30-35k every stream, just like the top Twitch streamers.
Valkyrae and Pewdipie having fallen way off to around 17k since they don't stream much anymore.

There's a reason Jun and Strawberry boys keep being left in the daily lists, they're the closest to a similar time frame and style we have.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13748019
Would a more generic design really have helped her much?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13742412
what failure of a big event from china? jesus, you talk so seriously but you are out of your mind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13748005
Imagine if you got a hire in Myth or Council that genuinely couldn't care less about the success of their genmates if it meant sacrificing opportunities for growth and revenue for themselves. No worse way to kill a branch than making it a one-chuuba show.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13747399
Funny pig isn't a random minecraft dude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13748083
Nah. Presentation matters just as much or even more than the designs itself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13745325
This statement is contradictory. You say niji is about the brand but then say that people only follow a few...

[Anonymous No.]

>>13741994
Damn this is actually a good edit

[Anonymous No.]

>>13748184
You just described Pekora and yet Gen 3 is doing just fine even if she doesn't care about anyone else but herself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13746889
>>13747062
>>13747158
You might want to look around more because that's said literally everytime there's a collab.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13748328
Sure, but like the other anon said Pekora and Gen 3 came in after a solid foundation had already been established. Imagine if you had that dynamic in the founding group of a branch instead and you can already see the problems you'd run into.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13741518
>hitomi chris controversy
redpill a hololive newfag on hitomi, what happened with that

[Anonymous No.]

>>13748606
She offered sex for a streaming set. She got her streaming set, but she didn't pay the sex. Seller got offended and posted his trade log. Both of them got sagged from the internet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13748606
Here is the QRD: proto-Holo catfishes ojisan with promises of a compensated date in return for the equipment for streaming, gets accepted, backs out.
Bloke discloses to Holo brass that axes her ass and in person her (even before debut).

That was in a time period that those girls were really broke. Not long after that Matsuri didn’t even have a desktop and streamed from a laptop, and Ali didn’t have fixed internet and had to stream from a mobile connection.
Trying to suck her way in may have been the ultimate sin back then because, if found out, it would be the end of the company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13748736
I wonder how she feels nowadays knowing that she pretty much lost a golden ticket because of that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13748606
>Some dude pretends to be an Intern at Holo
>Offers Chris equipments
>In exchange for seggs
>Accepts, but when the dude needed his payment
>She didn't
>Threatened the guy to call police on him
>Guy shows convo, taking her down with him
>Cover boots her out

[Anonymous No.]

>>13748736
>>13748606
>>13748764
Here is something that is DEEP lore and even people in the known don’t know
>her real name was Hitomi Tanaka and not long after she became a JAV actress
webm related, you can Google the name

[Anonymous No.]

>>13748606
She might or might not have offered to fuck someone in exchange for streaming equipment, then after she got that streaming equipment she failed to follow through, and the guy threw a massive bitchfit on social media which eventually resulted in her getting canned.
Only the last bit is actually confirmed, everything before that is just based off the word of the dude who sperged out, so for all we know it could just be a jealous boyfriend out to ruin her life or some shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>random minecraft dude got 600k
Should Holo start doing minecraft lore?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13748787
Imagine her walking around and seeing Hololive plastered on buildings and on posters everywhere, knowing she could have been a part of that if she hadn't done what she did. Must sting, and rightfully so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13749004
Aloe...

[Anonymous No.]

>>13749085
She did it to herself, nobody forced her to quit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13749085
>>13749111
At least she got to reincarnate and is still streaming to her fanbase, living happily ever after right
>right!?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13748835
...
That sounds like some absolute bullshit, there is no way they'd do something that fucking stupid, go use her real name in the character name. It just smells like a massive rrat using someone with an existing name to match.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13747307
technoblade also has cancer so people feel bad for him

[Anonymous No.]

>>13749226
anon...

[Anonymous No.]

>>13749226
retardchama...

[Anonymous No.]

>>13749226
A-Anon…

>that’s what this place gets, SEA or chink with censored internet that can’t even recognize Hitomi Tanaka

[Anonymous No.]

>>13749226
anon... just google
>debut 2007

[Anonymous No.]

>>13745572
Wait wait wait wait … Pekora, Marine ***AND*** Miko mogging Kuzuha?

Why do you guys call him King for again?!?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13749532
Hitomi Tanaka is a household JAV name in SEA, next to Eimi Fukuda.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13749586
Suisei, Subaru and Rushia are also mogging him in average peak.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13749595
I live around these parts and I don't know that name, mostly because I don't watch JAVs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13749595
SEA is a big area, I’m sure some corners of Indonesia can access 4chan but can’t get to JAV.
China likewise.

[Anonymous No.]

Who are all of your oshis? I'm curious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13749595
Kek.
Probably some newfag who doesn't know anything about JAV. The absolute state...

[Anonymous No.]

>>13749586
>>13749625
>calling him Silverboy was actually a compliment

[Anonymous No.]

>>13749654
Koyori, anyone that doesn't answer her or Pekora needs to leave the thread and never come back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13745572
>Pekora mogging Kuzuha
>Aqua mogging Mito
Seems like order was restored in the multiverse

[Anonymous No.]

>>13739280
i called dibs to the masked girl, it's a nice change

[Anonymous No.]

>>13749684
He is niji's silver boy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13749654
Gura

[Anonymous No.]

>>13749654
Haachama

>>13749697
Haachama is a huge numberfag, even more so than Pekora. She’s just not as successful because she lacks stamina

[Anonymous No.]

>>13749654
Pekora

[Anonymous No.]

>>13749654
Marine and Ina.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13749784
lol that doesn't mean she's successful or gets any numbers at all, fuck off

[Anonymous No.]

>>13749654
Watame, but this is the numbers thread
best make a poll so we can have the numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13749654
Suisei on JP, Gura on EN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13749654
Gura and Ina

[Anonymous No.]

>>13749784
Didn't Haachama stop caring about numbers after hitting 1m?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13748835
Some more lore
She was a witch and cast the curse of 25 (25 being a holy number, Christmas, and the day St.Sora received her revelation) bringing disaster every month until the blood of a dragon ended the spell.

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>>13747816
It's true that Council has better chemistry but I've still found their full group collabs fairly boring. Regardless of why they were put together it's obvious Council has squandered the opportunity they were given, choosing to ride on Hololives hype rather than build on it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13747158
How does one even find that? Hire full-time streamers only? How do you guarantee you find someone who's enthusiastic?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13749831
How could a poll be made with every VTuber in existence?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13747209
If they really want to abuse numbers they would open a Spanish branch

[Anonymous No.]

>>13749966
I'm pretty sure there's an option to add your own option to poals

[Anonymous No.]

I don't know if that soccer anon is still here, but if you are, we should really add "HOLOKR WHEN" to the roster

[Anonymous No.]

>>13749912
Oh and I just realized the 25th of this month was the announcement of GenX
Truly a power number.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13749912
The great war against Archfiend Chris... Watamage prevailed against the evil foe but at what cost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13749532
>Watching 3D porn
Do normies really? I haven't been able to get off to regular porn for over a decade, hentai is so much better

[Anonymous No.]

>>13750022
Alright then, everyone vote for who your oshi is.
http://poal.me/9bfixk

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>>13749899
>Didn't Haachama stop caring about numbers after hitting 1m?
kek, not only she didn’t but she made repeated “goals” even as early as September
>reach 1.28M until the end of the month
No way she could, she was at 1.26M and it was after the middle of the months
It didn’t prevent her from blowing a previously agreed date with Hoshikawa to stay back and do a karaoke challenge to at least speed up the next 10k

Then
>to reach 1.3M before the end of the month
but she didn’t stream enough that month to even have a chance.

Now she’s at
>make her sub channel to overtake her main channel
which she might, as she’s putting her shorts there and if it takes flight it’ll fly high

The number she doesn’t care about is CCV, because she REALLY likes interacting with chat so every once in a while she filters the audience hard to prune the tourists

[Anonymous No.]

>>13749964
interviews. Ollie was hired because of her very assertive answer. companies like it when you answer like that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfIc11yjUVA

[Anonymous No.]

>>13747816
They are basically side characters now that didn't try to create their own name on anything. It's not even because of the new ones, they had like 3months to do something. They wasted a lot of opportunities those months considering the number of events that happened.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm kinda thinking CCV for debuts are so high because they are shilled on Holo reddit, which has 587k members who are really into Hololive. (Last year it had about 300k, btw.) Every stream shilled in there gets the Numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13750159
>fapping to anything but continuously increasing big numbers
If you didn’t blow three loads at the first 10 minutes of this stream you’re not even a heteronumberfag
>with “homonumberfags” being the ones fapping to reclining numbers, like current Kuzuha CCV

[Anonymous No.]

>>13750347
I'm kinda thinking CCV for debuts are so high because they are debuts

[Anonymous No.]

>>13750164
great poll anon

[Anonymous No.]

So the daily cull seems to be coming up soonish.
La+ had the same kind of pattern as this yesterday for an hour or so before the cull, i.e. jagged with no real increase.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13750347
That’s silly. At any moment of day or night they get at most some 10k active users, and posts that reach high positions have at most 20k likes

Compare with the reach of Twitter, easily 10x larger even discounting the reach of the retweets

[Anonymous No.]

>>13750579
Except nijisanji has a far wider reach on twitter than hololive does and that clearly doesn't translate into views on their videos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13750555
>377926
That’s clearly an estimate and the sawtooth, clearly an artifact of said estimation given that for 100k forward the number of subs are only disclosed to the closest thousand

[Anonymous No.]

>>13750651
But it does? There is a reason they picked up 205k for their baseball or close to 100k for their recent Splatoon and it was most definitely not Reddit

[Anonymous No.]

>>13750651
Only for Tournament finales and Koushien.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13750555
The cull usually happens 1 hour from now

[Anonymous No.]

>>13750347
>>13750579
>10k active users

That was during Coco's time,
the subreddit now barely has 4-4.5k active users. Not even during council and GenX's debuts did it reach 1/3rd of the active users it used to have whenever meme review came along, or Fubuki posted.
Last time i saw it over 10k was when Nene joined.
Engagement goes a long way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13745572
Apart from the outliers of maimoto and chihiro the niji men do a lot more streams than the women on that list is something I noticed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13740854
if haachma keeps going at this rate, she'll rake another break one she hits the 20k~ish average ccv to cull down her numbers again and bring her back to her comfy 5-10k

[Anonymous No.]

>>13750657
Yea, I have no idea of their validity in the claim that the use an older version of the youtube api with the older sub tracking. The new version can as you say only give the nearest thousand at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13748328
That hasn't described pekora or gen 3 at any point in history.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13745699
Well, at least for EN girls living in NA they are tired as f*ck due to timezone. Hard to milk the remaining buff afterwards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13751726
You say that but Mio did a stream two days after to finish the Sport fes arc. HoloEN should've done the same, after a day resting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13751726
You can say fuck on the internet

[Anonymous No.]

>>13751849
Indeed.
I could understand Amelia and Gura perhaps not wanting to incite any drama over what had happened, between the matchup swap to pit Ame vs Fubuki at the last moment and Gura's whole abuse of bad commandblock timing, but the rest really should've done a stream going over what they thought about the sportsfestival.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13752249
>I could understand Amelia and Gura perhaps not wanting to incite any drama over w-
Only if they’re the dumbest broads ever to have ser foot in this God blessed earth.

Being competitive enough to complain about that is the equivalent of going to the company Christmas party and company that some kid “cheated” at musical chairs by sitting when the music almost finished but didn’t.

There is a reason one of the highlights of the event was Haachama last place in the red light green light (and her declaration that those 3 pity points would carry her team to victory): sportsmanship and creating a warm memory is the goal of company functions, not being a strictler retard and ruining the fun.

[Anonymous No.]

Koyori's portfolio is fucking stacked too.

>collab planner
>design her own 3d, merch
>lots of connection and does a lot of offline events
>super fit
>actual mahjong pro
>pharmacist qualifications
>rumoured to be a small seiyuu too

[Anonymous No.]

>>13746198
I think the focus on ID market kind of create a power shift between Moona and Ollie in the game of ccv. ID1 seems grind more bahasa market than ID2.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13752631
Seems like Gen 5 was the chemistry gen while gen 6 are the high spec heavy hitters. Wonder if we can expect that out of EN3 since Council seems to be the chemistry gen for that branch. Then after unity is established drop the bomb of super high spec talent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13752249
Not sure about Ame, but I think you think too much about Gura because she was out of the equation for the first week of November.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13752631
Now we just need a competitive gamers.

[Anonymous No.]

So, It wasn't just Gwelu that finally figured out how to make shorts work in Nijisanji, some of his collab partners are seeing the views and subs boost benefits too.
Mostly from Selejo, Anko and Chigusa who hit 300k subs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13752960
Dear God, ignore this anon request forever

[Anonymous No.]

>>13749654
Pekora

[Anonymous No.]

>>13753112
Isn’t this just the milestone buff?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13752788
I mean, any way you slice it, Myth was the high spec gen with people excelling in different fields.
All the other hololive members called them that too and over 1 year later, they're still each top in their respective fields.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13753203
>they're still each top in their respective fields.
I don’t know what Ame field is, and I can’t think of a single thing she’s on top of except doing the job someone on backstage should be doing.

No offense, she’s my favorite Myth from debut till now but even in the “creativity” field she’s lacking because her output is too low to be considered “top”

[Anonymous No.]

>>13753203
I can think of each Myth member's excelling field except Gura. Feels like she just blast through everything just by her raw instinct, well that's her charm in the first place though, but I really wish she can offer more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13752631
Sio...!?

[Anonymous No.]

Huh?
What happened?
I thought she was the top dog of EN2 along with Kronii

[Anonymous No.]

>>13752960
How did it work with nijisanji?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13752788
Their collabs so far have very good chemistry
Too bad that they go with 5 still instead of making it 4
Closing the door of most multiplayer games for full gen collabs

[Anonymous No.]

>>13753606
with that stupid schedule, kronii will meetup Sana soon. at least aussie woman won't be alone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13752960
It's called mahjong.

[Anonymous No.]

number right before sub cut

[Anonymous No.]

>>13741264
How the fuck are there not more complaints about this to teamyoutube or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13753640
Who is a competitive gamer in niji?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13753313
eh, i didn't want to give examples, but Ame's basically the stream setup person. Creates interesting stream scenarios and gimmicks. Which yes, this would be the biggest stretch for "top of the field" since there will be some indies out there even better at this, that she even picked up the tricks from. The same way there are some artist vtubers out there that might be on par with Ina (though fewer), but can't do it at this stage and haven't demonstrated they can entertain tens of thousands of people while presenting their craft.

>>13753439
Fur Gura, i can call it "meme comedy" and you know what i mean.
No other vtuber and few other streamers can so naturally create so many short, funny, clippable moments that encompass western meme culture. Especially in her way where she's not grossly over doing it. Think she has the record for clips per time streamed right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13753606
I see an old game, episode 5
animal crossing and pokemon during NA hours.
They're not actually the most popular games in NA are they?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13754059
what's the definition of a competitive gamer?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13754256
For EN, it seems Pokemon is a buff if it is with challenges like Mori.
Animal crossing only stream will do bad on EN side no matter what.
Zelda is a long walkthrough.
Just chatting
Duoling
Maros

[Anonymous No.]

>>13754059
Didn't Chihiro stream over 330 hours a month filled with mostly ranked Apex at some point?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13754077
>Ame's basically the stream setup person. Creates interesting stream scenarios and gimmicks.
That’s the point I made: this is the job for some backstage unnamed mook or team of mooks, not for the star.

[Anonymous No.]

only 1k cut so far

[Anonymous No.]

>>13755396
If it holds, Cover finally figured out the proper way to counteract Susan cuts for as minimal damage as possible, at least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13749654
Miko

[Anonymous No.]

>>13755396
>>13755438
subs have also been frozen for hours

[Anonymous No.]

>>13746198
Could you not use red for Holos, my eyes hurt

[Anonymous No.]

>>13748080
Man... if the top tier streamer (outside of traditional youtuber, ex : technoblade, etc.) Slacked off too much and has nothing new to offer, they might got overtaken by chuubas in the near future

[Anonymous No.]

>>13749654
Towa...

[Anonymous No.]

>>13755571
yea, that's a really weird color coding

[Anonymous No.]

>>13755396
Yesterday they lost like 20k by this point so it's starting to get better I think

[Anonymous No.]

>>13755571
>>13755614
It's especially weird given how prominently Cover and Hololive use blue in their branding.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13749194
Not as long as her bitchass father still alive

[Anonymous No.]

>>13755640
3k now
for council, this cut lasts for like 10+ days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13748111
They did like a big vtuber event without Holos a few hours ago, chinkchama

[Anonymous No.]

>>13742996
The issue with Crab Game is that it's played with too many people that their fans don't care about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13754059
Bora, Selen, Lauren, Axia, Kanae, Kuzuha, Chihiro, Bobon, etc. They either were pros before or are really good in a competitive level.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13755768
ah yes, what a failure to not have hololive in, newfag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13755438
having content does look like the most effective measure. the sub gain probably still looks suspicious to youtube but less than if there is nothing uploaded onto the channel

[Anonymous No.]

>>13756180
Selen is a plat. Even Matsuri is better than her. And both got carried to master.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13756266
>having content does look like the most effective measure
I don't know how well that holds up since Chloe and Iroha have nothing on their channel and they have lost the same amount of subs

[Anonymous No.]

>Day 1: 30k+
>Day 2: 52k+
Day 3: