What do we know about them?

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Anonymous Wed Dec 15 01:01:37 2021 No.14657258 [Reply] [Original]

What do we know about them?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 01:05:09 2021 No.14657446 >>14657258 shit-tier corpo with flop gen after flop gen, carried by a talent that wasn't theirs to begin with

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 01:44:29 2021 No.14659767 who?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 01:52:31 2021 No.14660340 File: 69 KB, 900x900, 8328527647622.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14657258 Asians Only Intern-kun's English is actually getting better. No surprise he's a numberfag. Pathetic

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 01:52:47 2021 No.14660362 >>14657258 There's an entire general dedicated to the company, what do you want to know?

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 02:01:51 2021 No.14660942

>>14657258
Good company overall, they're pretty straight forward and honest about what's going on and have had multiple AMAs where they talk about their decisions and why they do certain things.

Admittedly they're kind of weak on the talent side though. Some of them are great, Miori and Yuuna in particular. But due to their more lax rules they're allowed to do stupid things and take long breaks constantly. And they don't really have the production value of some of the other small corps like PRISM.

As a company, I think they're the best. But as talents they're average. Better than your normal indie, and better than most the small corps. but Far from top tier.

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 02:16:53 2021 No.14661841

>>14660942
>they don't really have the production value
I'd say they're the least "produced" startup, but that's because there's very little kayfabe, at least compared to Prism or Phase. For the things they do that require it like MVs, they're always top quality, especially now that their newest generation all have mixing and production experience.
If you're into the Hololive experience where the chuubas are all clearly playing roles in every aspect of their content, then Tsunderia might come off as amateurish. But if you don't give a shit about that sort of thing, they probably have the most entertainment value and the largest variety

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 02:20:07 2021 No.14661996

>>14661841
I was talking more any of the more 'produced' content, like their MVs. They're usually only TV sized covers, and the mixing and singing ability can be kind of iffy. Considering how hard they push their musical abilities, you'd think their MVs and covers would be top tier but they're rather disappointing and the vast majority aren't even full covers. The TV size cover is the most confusing part to me because I can't think of any other vtuber in general that does that.

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 02:29:36 2021 No.14662505

>>14661996
Alright, the TV-size covers baffle me too. The sub-1 minute shorts make sense in terms of trying to get caught up by the algorithm, at least. But the mixes, art, animations, and vocals are consistently top tier. That being said, it's pretty clear that some of the members have never had vocal training and could maybe benefit from it

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 02:44:07 2021 No.14663253

>>14657258
They are a good company all thing considered, but very lacking in terms of management and even talent, many of them are incredibly unstable and have a high tendency of taking breaks, which cripples their growth considerably, and overall don't do much in terms of advertisement for the company and the members, which only futher cripples whatever growth they can get and much of the latent talent that lies among their members goes to waste pretty damn badly.
Though, one's gotta give them some credit for actually debuting males in their recent gen, even more so since it's a mixed one too, something not even big corpos like Nijisanji dare do.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 02:46:51 2021 No.14663363 >>14657258 >we

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 02:47:18 2021 No.14663383 >>14663253 Niji EN is literally doing their male wave announcement tomorrow. Or even the debuts, all their streamers have cleared out their schedules.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 02:50:11 2021 No.14663514 >>14661841 >playing roles in every aspect hmm?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 02:51:01 2021 No.14663539 >>14660362 OP wants to know when he should being a cunt

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 02:58:43 2021 No.14663867 >>14657258 Rosemi used to be one

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 03:00:03 2021 No.14663917

>>14663383
Not everyone tho, only a few and Elira stressed that it wasn't an announcement and the official account hasn't tweeted anything like with the other waves, not to mention none of the waves weren't announced during particular streams, they just dropped and some took some time from their ongoing streams to promote the announcement.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 03:01:51 2021 No.14664005 Sex with the bunny.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 03:03:00 2021 No.14664056 File: 3.71 MB, 363x381, 1638231884441.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Amiya is fucking adorable

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 03:04:12 2021 No.14664122 SLUGMA DICK

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 03:06:09 2021 No.14664215 >>14657258 >logo is asymmetrical

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 03:06:19 2021 No.14664223 >>14664122 Who's Dick?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 03:07:20 2021 No.14664276 >>14663253 >but very lacking in terms of management Yeah their management seem incompetent

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 03:07:36 2021 No.14664291 File: 258 KB, 369x387, 1628053138531.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Only profitable Small EN vtuber company. And it's all thanks to hers. Too bad she never streams anymore.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 03:09:33 2021 No.14664404 >>14664276 Their management is probably the most competent out of all of the small agencies. Granted it's almost entirely Urara's doing, but still.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 03:10:33 2021 No.14664455 >>14664404 So competent they got used as a stepping stone by Miki lmao

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 03:14:50 2021 No.14664626 >>14664455 If anything that's a testament to their ability that their talents are ready for the big leagues.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 03:16:08 2021 No.14664702 The only thing I know about Tsunderia is that time Char got political on stream and said "America doesn't deserve to be celebrated" or something like that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 03:17:14 2021 No.14664764 >>14664702 She isn't wrong.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 03:20:01 2021 No.14664926 >>14661996 prism definitely has lower quality MVs from what I’ve seen

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 03:22:03 2021 No.14665048 >>14664702 She' taiwanese plz andasutando.

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 04:33:40 2021 No.14668009
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*blocks your path*
Cyberlive is still in the black with every member earning at least minimum wage according to Misaki their manager while they are able to do things like fund new models, costumes and 3D for every member while funding all their covers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 04:35:07 2021 No.14668079 >>14668009 Cyberlive is sketchy as fuck and from all looks is completely ass fucked retarded. I dont. Believe they're in the black for a second unless they're doing something sketchy (like being prostitutes for $500 donos)

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 04:38:00 2021 No.14668212

>>14668079
They had a QnA a few days ago where they answered all their questions and basically they're aiming for long term growth so they arent using the sketchy tactics used by the other small corpos out there. Not to mention their main source of funding is completely secure with their CEO being someone who's incredibly rich too according to Misaki.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 04:42:49 2021 No.14668399 >>14664626 More like a testament to their inability to actually secure their investments and not be taken advantage of by grifters

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 04:42:54 2021 No.14668401 >>14668212 >trust us it's some oil baron That's the same story PC uses. And PC didn't start out their debuts by offering dates for money.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 04:44:23 2021 No.14668457 >>14668212 >not using sketchy tactics other small corpos use >use their own sketchy tactics of offering discord dates for donos

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 04:48:15 2021 No.14668652

>>14668212
That doesn't mean they're profitable. All that means is they have a huge reserve of funds that they're able to lose without needing to make a profit. You could say the same thing about Prism and Phase. Just because the owner is rich doesn't mean the company makes more than it spends.
I didn't watch the Q and A. Did they say what sketchy tactics the other startups use, and which ones use them? If not, it sounds like PR trying to make themselves look more altruistic than their competitors, which makes them look even shittier

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 04:54:39 2021 No.14668916

>>14668652
Not him. But from /asp/ rumors their contracts tend to be much more forgiving and they offer a bigger share of the donations.

But of course, this is rumors from anonymous people who either didn't make the cut or declined for other reasons but at least got to the point of talking contracts.

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 05:00:17 2021 No.14669131

>>14668916
They actually confirmed it in the QnA and said they arent hiding it either since it's out in the open for gen 2 auditions. It's a 75% for the start but the talent owns the model and everything is under their name and once they grow bigger they can negotiate the contract up to 90% take.

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 05:03:58 2021 No.14669283

>>14668916
>>14669131
I'm not going to bash an agency that pays their talents more than industry standard (assuming that's true, which it seems like it is). But when you have the sheer number of PR disasters and missteps that CL has had in their relatively short existence, calling any of the more established startups "sketchy," even indirectly, is extremely tone deaf and is only going to keep them on blacklists longer

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 05:05:28 2021 No.14669352 >>14669283 well im not their PR and you seem to keep going off at the sketchy thing which is completely my opinion since most other corpo out there have extremely high cuts while offering way less in return.

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 05:06:49 2021 No.14669407

>>14669131
I'll have to watch the QnA but it sounds like bullshit and there has to be some smaller text.

Otherwise they're just retarded, which given their management so far seems likely.
Also selling themselves as "not doing sketchy things like other corpos" reeks of
>I'm a nice guy! Unlike all those other asshole Chad's!
It's one thing to call out a specific group for bad practices, like PRISM or MyHolo, its another to claim all other groups are worse than you. Especially when that includes groups like Tsunderia who basically exist off of goodwill at this point.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 05:09:21 2021 No.14669499 >>14664702 Ah, so thats what birthed the deport poster

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 05:16:35 2021 No.14669795

>>14669131
The company only keeps 10-25% of donations? Yeah I'm just gonna call bullshit on the claims of being profitable if that's all they're keeping after YT/Twitch/SL fees. Either that or the talents are paying for, at least partially, their models, MVs, and stream assets. There's no fucking way all those costs have been recouped by corporate on less than 25% total revenue

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 05:59:10 2021 No.14671707 >>14669283 >PR disasters and missteps I'm a newfag please spoonfeed me

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 06:04:54 2021 No.14671942

>>14671707
I dont know all of them but notably
>on debut all their talents offered discord dates for donations
>one of their talents hardcore selfposting here to try justify drama
>the above caused more drama because why the fuck is a streamer having to do PR control for the company

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 06:11:18 2021 No.14672230 >>14669795 Lumi confirmed she is a full time streamer and university student and pays for her tuition and living costs from streaming only.

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 06:14:03 2021 No.14672375

>>14657258
The poster child for why corpos have draconic contracts, they had a decent shot at being a big player in the market on the same level as hololive/vshojo/Nijisanji, but they kept getting back stabbed by their own talents and now they are barely keeping pace with the other indie startups

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 06:19:43 2021 No.14672637 >>14669795 This. I have no idea how they plan on making money with this kind of cut

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 06:32:23 2021 No.14673189 >>14671942 >discord dates for donations holy kek you can't make this shit up

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 06:39:16 2021 No.14673494

>>14672637
Going by what >>14668212 said, the CEO is gambling that he has enough in the bank to eat those initial losses from their more favorable contracts. That way, they can entice better talents to sign with their company, which will increase the company's growth and eventually lead to greater profit. It's not a bad strategy provided you have the starting capital and don't mind risking a good chunk of it
>>14672375
Imagine a Tsunderia where Kana isn't mentally ill and did the work to promote the fuck out of them. Ria doesn't accept a better offer because Tsunderia can afford to beat it. The EN VTuber landscape would look very different indeed

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 06:49:17 2021 No.14673880 >>14673494 that makes Cyberlive sound like a boom or bust company. Either it's gonna be amazing or it's gonna go bankrupt fast.

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 06:53:56 2021 No.14674046

>>14673494
Honestly I don't think Ria was ever interested in putting in the work for tsunderia in the first place, she streamed more on her own personal account than as Ria even before she got accepted into nijisanji.
Really people like her are why corpos come up with those restrictive contracts in the first place, tsunderia is just too nice as a company and expected their talents to be good people and paid the price for it.

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 07:03:15 2021 No.14674361

>>14673880
How fast it goes bankrupt depends mostly on how much money the CEO has to invest at the start since the company itself makes such a small percentage of revenue. If he really is an oil prince, they could theoretically lose money for years and not make much of a dent

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 07:46:51 2021 No.14676269 >>14668457 this was entirely one of their talents fault, who has been the cause of (almost) all of Cyberlive's yabs.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 07:47:48 2021 No.14676311 >>14676269 QDR oh Hylo? why does she wear the rrats?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 07:54:45 2021 No.14676573 >>14676311 She is extremely young and has adhd

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 07:56:58 2021 No.14676662

>>14676311
she admitted in discord early on that the date thing was her idea and encouraged the other talents to do so. Seina and Pandora had debuts the next day, so they didn't include the dates in their descriptions due to the outrage on here. She did PR control for the company after cyberlive's ripoff vshojo video by posting a twit longer defending management, and then selfposted here attacking Terumi after she accused cyberlive of being black. She also caused Cyberlive being blacklisted by Tsunderia by joking about Ria being dead. The list likely goes on.

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 07:58:04 2021 No.14676699

>>14671942
>>one of their talents hardcore selfposting here to try justify drama
In her defense, the one who started mudslinging was another self-posting ex-corpo. That little skirmish ended up in the death of /amber glow/ and its presence in /vt/, and it was neither Amber Glow nor Lumi's fault.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 07:59:08 2021 No.14676738 File: 5 KB, 129x126, 1612033246723.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14676662 >Attacked Terumi. Ok kind of based. I remember that shit. Dm leakers deserve hell.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 08:01:12 2021 No.14676806 >>14676738 But anon, Terumi is a deadbeat, just like (you).

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 08:02:11 2021 No.14676841 File: 79 KB, 703x709, 1612040144732.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14676806 I fucking hate deadbeats. t.deadbeat

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 08:02:23 2021 No.14676849 >>14676738 I agree, its just the PR for the company part thats a bit more concerning.

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 08:02:23 2021 No.14676848

>>14674361
Their whole plan involves around the fact that vtubers will be a mainstay of internet streaming instead of a fad.
The reason they are offering generous terms is that they want to look years out into the future for a large return on their investment instead of quickly getting a return.
People should really watch the interview it's also really funny

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 08:04:00 2021 No.14676903 >>14676849 I mean take it as you will but Terumi was going around saying they were abused and Hylo just told her off and got immdiately bonked for it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 08:04:08 2021 No.14676912 >>14676849 Lumi wants everyone to succeed. Go play Lumi spotting and you'll see her in every indie and corpo chat

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 08:06:00 2021 No.14676974

>>14669407
I mean they never claimed this as far as I am aware but I just saw part of the stream this references. All they said is they aren't afraid to be public with their contract details since they aren't afraid. Nothing about calling other orgs sketchy, unless you consider that indirect.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 08:08:20 2021 No.14677064 >>14676912 I haven't seen her in Koragi's so far.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 08:08:56 2021 No.14677079 >>14676974 The only thing they ever hinted was that some companies want to cash in quickly or how they lock you in by keeping your name, model, and content. They never really call anyone out

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 08:13:11 2021 No.14677222

>>14664404
Slugma is terrible management
She's more focused on being a star than a manager
There's almost no unity or chemistry between the girls, they get 0 sponsorship, their name has no weight in the small corpos
Some of their talents can't even break 3 digit view counts. No marketing, no publicity, unstable talents and schedules, what does Urara even do?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 08:14:18 2021 No.14677260 >>14677064 She probably DMs every /wvt/chuuba, but has openly denounced collabs because she doesn't want to clout chase. /asp/ still love her and half of the /wvt/chuubas are tagged as "friends" in Lumicord.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 08:16:39 2021 No.14677320 >>14677222 >no unity or chemistry between the girls They have visited each other irl, paly games together off stream, and go into each other's chat

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 08:17:58 2021 No.14677362 >>14677079 this was never said on the QnA, but it would seem some other company chuubas must be lurking here trying to throw shade at them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 08:18:02 2021 No.14677364 >>14677260 She didn't denounce collabs, she just doesn't want to be the one to ask as she is afraid of looking like she is clout chasing

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 08:19:14 2021 No.14677404

>>14673494
Tsunderia really had everything they needed but failed 4 ways:
1. Kana - Barely marketed, and was mentally ill. She was their ace and they fumbled her.
2. Gen "1" - The model quality was bad except for rrat, and bread was OK. Kallin and Meru got crappy models and the designs of the group were bad together. If they had a better generation (not talent-wise, just models and design) they would be much better than they are now.
3. Marketing and Branding - Marketed themselves as a group until a few months ago, with little promotions, no website for a long time, etc.
4. Ria - Ria was great but she was always going to leave unless gen 1 skyrocketed more. They needed to not hire her to not kill their hype and respect.

TLDR: The biggest is really just they fucked gen 1 and waited so long for even worse gen 2 in a now saturated small corpo market they lost all the early momentum they had.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 08:19:41 2021 No.14677419 >>14677222 >She's more focused on being a star than a manager Nigga she literally doesn't want to stream and does a good bulk of the company's background work. It's the other girls and viewers who keep bringing her up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 08:20:04 2021 No.14677433 >>14677364 Makes sense. You can tell she picks her collabs for actual chemistry. Every girl she streams with is top tier and it's almost always kino.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 08:24:11 2021 No.14677542 >>14677320 none of those apply to on stream content you double nigger

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 08:25:34 2021 No.14677570 File: 256 KB, 375x523, 1635917838426.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14677419 Don't fall for papaholo bait. I wish Slugma wanted to be a start. She could be

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 08:25:40 2021 No.14677575

>>14677079
Here's what I don't understand. If the chuubas own all the character rights and assets, what's keeping them from pulling a Kana and telling the company to eat shit? Relaxed contracts are the main reasons why Tsunderia isn't a juggernaut, so why are they an asset for CL?

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 08:26:14 2021 No.14677596

>>14677404
Nail in the coffin was gen 2. With so many new members to the scene, they needed a good generation but debuted what is quite possibly the worst small corpo generation to date. Two members, one of which is a lone wolf (literally) and doesn't stream with others (and rarely in general). The other has a filtering model and personality. I am glad they fixed things with gen 3 except for m*les. They really should've just done all female but I think this was a desperate attempt to do something out there for traction which worked to some degree.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 08:28:27 2021 No.14677659 File: 59 KB, 400x400, 39489468797.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14677596 The males are great. What are you, some kind of faggot that doesn't like guys?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 08:30:26 2021 No.14677720 File: 265 KB, 376x676, image_2021-12-15_102933.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I only know and like Miori. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWaaxMtBor4 The other EN startups have at least 3 though.

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 08:31:15 2021 No.14677749

>>14677575
CL at least seems to be doing a lot for them behind the scenes. They are the only small corpo with an in-house 3D modeler they just hired. Lumi was speaking a lot about how she felt during the stream and how she doesn't plan on going anywhere so clearly there is stuff we don't know. Tsunderia was also not a relaxed contract. We know they take 50% and no character rights or buyouts. Kana was an exception since she was an indie and Ria just walked due to Nijisanji and didn't care.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 08:32:21 2021 No.14677781 >>14677659 I am all fine with m*les but Tsunderia needed a good gen and males I think hurt what they needed most which was more female streamers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 08:33:00 2021 No.14677797 >>14677575 Why leave if they get support from the company? They bought Lumi a computer because her laptop was dying, plus talents get new outfits, 3D, and merch.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 08:34:21 2021 No.14677830 >>14677542 I'll give you that the girls don't stream together often at all

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 08:36:58 2021 No.14677914 >>14657258 Completely pozzed and should be avoided.

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 08:40:52 2021 No.14678038

>>14668079
>>14668457
>>14668401
>>14671942
I was the first to post a screenshot of these donation awards before their debuts, it started the whole shitstorm. I feel kinda bad now when people bring it up and still remember Cyberlive as virtual prostitutes. Like other anon said it turned out to be Hylo's retarded idea and it was supposed to be a one time only thing. But due to being written out like "donation size - reward name" and things like Discord dates being there everyone thought it was permanent, like you just drop X dollars and get a date. I think Cyberlive is mostly okay now. But Hylo yabs... >>14676662
Holy kek, I didn't know she joked about dead Ria.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 08:42:19 2021 No.14678081 >>14677914 Why?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 08:43:01 2021 No.14678097 >>14677914 t. Ria

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 08:58:06 2021 No.14678488 >>14678038 The other sister besides Ria is a zombie though

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 09:00:22 2021 No.14678591
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>>14677749
>>14677797
Unless I'm missing something, this isn't adding up. This company:
>has a 3D modeler on payroll
>pays their chuubas a living wage
>paid for a new gaming computer for Lumi
>pays for outfit upgrades (on models they don't own)
>only takes between 10-25% of revenue
And they expect anyone to believe that the company has earned more than their total expenses on that small of a cut? I'll give them credit for not jewing their chuubas on their contracts. That much is respectable. But the Live2D models, rigging, and stream assets alone must have cost in the neighborhood of $10k for each girl. Even with no other expenditures and not counting their second generation, they would still need $200,000 in donations (after fees) at a 25% cut to offset their initial investment. Does that sound possible? I'm honestly asking because I only watch Pandora and Yuri, and their numbers don't indicate they've earned anywhere near that much

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 09:04:20 2021 No.14678700 >>14678591 It's not. It just mean the owner has crypto money and doesn't mind throwing money at them until they are profitable. The money doesn't actually comes until sponsored streams, not even for Hololive.

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 09:05:59 2021 No.14678749

>>14678591
Models don't cost 10k unless you are a holo mama. They are probably looking more like 3k-4k each girl which really lowers that total cost. Misaki made it sound like they aren't that much down and the CEO is clearly an oil prince so depending on how much I am sure this is barely a dent. I work for a guy who daily spends five digits on NFTs he doesn't resell and keeps just for himself. This is nothing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 09:07:06 2021 No.14678775 >>14664702 America doesn't deserve anything.

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 09:24:15 2021 No.14679180

>>14678591
CL talents don't get base wage, just a higher cut than average. They pick small riggers before they blow up, just look at Lumi's. He was nobody before he rigged her and now he's booked up for huge indies. Assets are done by small (3-5k followers) artists. It's entirely feasible that Lumi is fully paid off already and has already renegotiated her contract, and that's how she's affording to pay university tuition.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 09:30:56 2021 No.14679339 >>14678591 >only watch Pandora and Yuri there's your problem kek lumi and now menace are the top girls

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 09:42:52 2021 No.14679552

>>14657258
Had the fortune/misfortune of being probably the first US-based agency to go in on English Vtubers on Youtube specifically in a structured agency model, a full month before Hololive announced auditions for an English branch. IMO being able to carve out their niche in the midst of all that is worth some respect, and If they've made more mistakes than the other small corporations, it's only because they've been around longer to make them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 10:45:22 2021 No.14680764 >>14679339 I only watch Hylo and Pandora, and now Yoki

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 11:13:43 2021 No.14681322 >>14679552 That's part of it, but they also had the misfortune of putting their trust in talents that fucked them over. None of their mistakes are strictly unavoidable, they just happened to be really unlucky

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 11:17:05 2021 No.14681387 >>14668079 their second gen looks pretty solid already

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 11:19:25 2021 No.14681428 >oil baron funded >no clear source of said baron investiment red flag. the company can and will be throw under a bus for apparently no reason

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 11:24:05 2021 No.14681523
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>>14681322
Even putting aside Kana and Ria, this company has some spectacularly bad luck. There was Meru's one-month hiatus, Yuuna and Kallin both getting hit by the Texas power grid failure, Purin getting covid and pneumonia which almost killed her (and did kill her mother). Even just yesterday, Yuuna was involved in a traffic accident. Being a fan of this agency is painful, but you can't help but cheer them on through it all

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 11:29:37 2021 No.14681617 >>14678591 They are still in the red, but aren't any lower when where they started. So they have earned money, but they keep investing it back in

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 11:33:02 2021 No.14681681

>>14679180
Yeah unlike Prism who aim for Holomamas, they seem to aim for artists that offer equal quality while having more reasonable rates. Not to mention they got gezugezu who's one of the best riggers in /wvt/ to rig a few models too and she has extremely reasonable rates. It just seems like smart shopping to me since that means in the long run costumes and new models wouldnt be hard to get for cheap due to a continued relationship in the long run. Compared to Prism for example who have Holomamas, their fame means they're gonna be busy most of the time and will have their schedules booked up so you arent a priority which means getting new outfits and models a lot more expensive in the future.

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 11:47:41 2021 No.14682034

Cyberlive is just a too good to be true story, where their history really makes it too very much too good to be true.
From all rights it sounds perfect, I can to CL, get a free model, 3D model, multiple outfits, free music and shit produced, and the moment management says a wrong word to me I can just take all of it and leave.

Yet none of the girls have left and taken their models despite the pretty bad yabs in the past. And they still force girls to do their PR for them. And so on.

It just doesn't make sense. Even if they're playing the long game this doesn't mean you tank losses for literally no profit. In general the management of CL is just mistake after mistake and they don't know how to run anything. E.G. the 3d debuts are coming way way too early and have literally no hype behind them. It's literally a waste of money and potential.

If there's no alternative reason for how they pull off this shit, then it's a literal charity. And I dont believe in charities.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 11:55:50 2021 No.14682249 >>14682034 Large companies take years for profit. It took Tesla 18 years for a profit so it's not shocking for a startup to wait a couple years

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 12:01:25 2021 No.14682419

>>14657258
They have a brand. It's known. Kana and Wosemi aren't exactly disgraces. The only issue is that the Hololive Lite market is so bloated that it takes a significant amount of effort and investment to gain even the most minor amount of traction.

This is why companies compete for niches, because unfulfilled niches and market inefficiencies offer the potential for higher gains relative to the cash/workdays invested. Take Hololive for example. They competed for the idol niche and voila, now they're a well known idol vtuber company. Getting into a market early is just that important.

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Anonymous Wed Dec 15 12:03:30 2021 No.14682491

>>14682249
Tesla had large investments all throughout the way and was headed by a guy who clearly knew how to run a business though and had a track record.
They also had tangible results and were still selling things like cars for a profit.

This is more like tesla selling cars for 15k and saying it's the long game. While being headed by Lin Zhang, some random Chinese dude who's rich because "trust me"

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 12:08:45 2021 No.14682664 Wait hold on a minute, was it prism or cyberlive that's run by a rich dude with more money than sense who wants to larp as an idol manager with his retirement money?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 12:10:35 2021 No.14682727 >>14682664 prism

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 12:13:34 2021 No.14682815 >>14682491 Vtubers companies are basically a venture capitalist business funded by a single person

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 12:14:39 2021 No.14682845

>>14682664
Prism's run by a guy who sold a tech startup for 10 million dollars
Phase is run by Kevin who has his money from his businesses and he wanted to run his own vtuber company
Kawaii's run by a guy who wanted his own idol company
Cyberlive's CEO is someone who keeps his anonymity because according to their manager he's from an industry that exploded in 2020

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 12:15:37 2021 No.14682867

>>14682419
Kana leaving was seen as very suspicious at the time, at least. Now, it looks like Tsunderia successfully played 5d chess before she could rope them into her ongoing yabs. That fox is the yab factory people were afraid Kiara would be, and Tsunderia have been validated in letting her go

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 12:18:06 2021 No.14682948

>>14682034
How do they force their girls to do their PR for them? The 3D debut for Yuri pulled higher than Hylo, and Lumi's will go even higher. All the girls openly praise Misaki and talk about how happy they are, you think they'd just do that for no reason?

All CL decisions point to trying to be a second VShojo. They're not going for an idol market that's oversaturated, all of their talents are very different from the norm and that's why they'll succeed.

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 12:18:47 2021 No.14682968

>>14682034
lets be real, a company like Cyberlife doesn't need an huge capital to work, the 3D models are really amateurish and VR chatesque.
Only Panda cost them money for music production, Lumi doesn't make many covers or original songs and the rest doesn't at all.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 12:21:50 2021 No.14683053 >>14682845 >he's from an industry that exploded in 2020 >Jeff Bezos is the secret Cyberlife CEO

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 12:26:04 2021 No.14683182 >>14672230 God I wish that were me

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 12:27:12 2021 No.14683219 >>14682968 Lumi said she has a lot of stuff in the works but due to it being christmas and new years a lot of artists and MV producers are booked up

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 12:28:04 2021 No.14683242 >>14682845 >an """""""""""industry""""""""""" that exploded in 2020 Gotta be crypto money.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 12:29:17 2021 No.14683281 >>14683242 it's 100% crypto. Why i am also worried, his money can also go pompf just like they came and bye bye company

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 12:30:15 2021 No.14683313 >>14683242 or Medtech

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 12:31:04 2021 No.14683339 >>14683242 Nope, he sells something more retarded. The old comapny rrats were true

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 12:31:59 2021 No.14683362 >>14682845 >his own idol company More like his own cabaret club.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 12:33:13 2021 No.14683403 File: 156 KB, 640x360, 1639550508439.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14683339 Feed me the rrat

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 12:35:43 2021 No.14683480

>>14678591
>>14682034
Thought it was 15-30% cut which i assume lumi is the 15%'er right now with possibly yuri (basing this off their 2 highest gen 1 follower/viewers on YT) with the standard for real contracts from decent agencies about 15-20% if you're looking not to get fucked over or if above 20 they have good negotiation and long term deals.
They never said the model was free but after a point they get to keep whatever so i assume they at least aim for break even. Outfit probably has some negotiations as to not have talent get a free final outfit and run or is out of pocket.
Though i do agree marketing outside of gen 2 has been meh. gen 2 marketing was alright i think emma peaked around 500 and 250-300 ccv on YT seeing how raids don't exist this is fine imo.
Or maybe ceo-san is retarded and just likes anime girls but has weird moral values like the other groups.

>>14682968
In house probably means on a leash or priority with guaranteed commissions of some sorts. Probably saw he was growing and decided to bite the bullet hard.

>>14683053
>>14683242
crypto, tech, the stockmarket shit alot of stuff blew up he probably works in finance if not a startup or crypto. covid made alot of shit boomed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 12:45:27 2021 No.14683743 In the end all these companies are training grounds for Nijisanji and Hololive

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 12:47:48 2021 No.14683810 >>14678591 >And they expect anyone to believe that the company has earned more than their total expenses on that small of a cut? Misaki said that they are still in the red, but making gains, so getting their main investment back is a matter of time.

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 12:57:48 2021 No.14684235

>>14683403
That's a fucking dumb idea the thread glows with cyberlive, tsunderia staff and fans. Everything you need is in >>14683339 I found it months ago, I didn't believe it until the manager confirmed it >>14682845 You can do it. Bonne chance, anonyme !

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 13:04:49 2021 No.14684501 File: 539 KB, 700x395, 16841676841378.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14684235 >tsunderia staff

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 13:15:32 2021 No.14684858 File: 383 KB, 901x559, 1637440102698.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14684235 >tsunderia >staff The slug is probably wasted drunk sleeping

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 13:39:47 2021 No.14685630 >>14684858 Lmaoing at that question Some random straight up asked if she liked divegrass after and she answered

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 14:11:27 2021 No.14686522 >>14683403 Trading cards

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 14:13:19 2021 No.14686578 >>14686522 Scalping them or did he create Metazoo?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 14:19:22 2021 No.14686764 >>14686578 IDK ask /clg/, I found it in their archives

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 14:30:34 2021 No.14687110 File: 190 KB, 275x275, 1633445278374.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14657258 They have hags so instantly best small corpo.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 15:01:28 2021 No.14688101 File: 373 KB, 461x531, 1639177384719.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14687110 Based hag enjoyer

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 15:05:54 2021 No.14688230 File: 707 KB, 1000x1415, 107413.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14687110 HAG SEX

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 15:09:19 2021 No.14688332 >>14687110 >>14688101 >>14688230 Thats not an hag, thats a chair

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 15:15:37 2021 No.14688530 >>14664291 She did an unarchived karaoke just last week, anon. And this stream the week before that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQozy74Gakg

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 15:25:47 2021 No.14688821

>>14674046
>tsunderia is just too nice as a company and expected their talents to be good people and paid the price for it.
Char is notoriously bad with money and PPP is said to be pretty hands-off so that is probably how Ria was able to get away with it. From the outside it now looks like slugma has formalized a lot of the structure so I don't see the same thing happening again with current and future gens.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 15:26:47 2021 No.14688848 >>14676848 link?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 15:28:51 2021 No.14688907 File: 567 KB, 545x634, spidereye.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What I know about this company is that I love this hag!

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 15:30:07 2021 No.14688948 >>14688848 It looks like it just got deleted today or late last night

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 15:34:02 2021 No.14689069

>>14677222
>what does Urara even do?
Literally launched the official merch store two weeks ago, with merch for every Gen 0/1/2 member and special anniversary set for gen 1
Training and onboarding Gen 3
Overlays, layouts, schedule templates for multiple members
Multiple members have had sponsored gacha game streams

PS. BUY TSUNDERIA MERCH
shop.tsunderia.com

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 15:36:26 2021 No.14689135 >>14657258 Shot themselves in the foot by going for Youtube, a dead end when you don't have a pre existing network, forever in the shadow of Hololive if you don't win the lottery. Also S chan or whatever even if now fired, caused too much damage.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 15:38:14 2021 No.14689182 >>14673880 It's not too bad honestl ysince talents can just leave with their model for free after a given time (a few months), so for talents at worst they'll keep their fanbase, model and network, it's just a risk for the company.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 15:39:43 2021 No.14689213 >>14689135 Funny you mention Youtube since recently they seem to be pivoting to Twitch more and more. A welcome change honestly even if I understand the original reasons for going Youtube.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 15:41:28 2021 No.14689250 >>14689135 I completely disagree. Youtube has a much wider audience, and much more outreach to new people. Twitch is better for monetization. So the ideal strategy is to grow big on youtube and then transition to twitch later.

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 15:43:22 2021 No.14689310

>>14689250
Twitch has 20x+ live viewer audience than Youtube who is mostly prerecorded videos viewers. Most of Youtube western live viewers audience is basically just Hololive viewers. Sure you can try to get the crumbs of holo viewers getting bored and trying to look for smaller companies, but it's accepting to live in the shadow of hololive.
NijiEN more or less had this strategy, and you can see when like Gura streams at the same time as one of their talent their live viewership takes a big dip.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 15:45:15 2021 No.14689367 >>14689310 Granted Youtube announced they knew about their stream discoverability issue and planned a big overhaul in the future adding many of twitch features. But the date is unknown so it's a gamble.

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 16:00:14 2021 No.14689838

>>14689310
>NijiEN more or less had this strategy, and you can see when like Gura streams at the same time as one of their talent their live viewership takes a big dip

This is not a thing that happens to anyone besides maybe Selen. Pomu especially seems to be immune from any Holo overlaps, yesterday she was streaming to 2.8k people fucking around on Photoshop while overlapping Gura, and this was after she had to delay her stream by 30 mins after Gura starting due to a meeting.

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 16:04:50 2021 No.14689961

>>14689310
I see the exact opposite perspective. If anything there's much more competition on twitch, so you don't want to be over there. There are massive livestreamers all over twitch that you just can't compete with, including vshojo. While the youtube audience is still expanding, and there's very little competition. That's where you want to be.

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 16:05:48 2021 No.14689990

>>14689135
>>14689213
this is a retarded take, twitch has zero discoverability. All the issues with being someone with no pre-existing network on youtube applies equally to twitch. The main advantage twitch has over youtube is in the monetization, going to twitch for discoverability is like going to Somalia for the neightbourhood

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 16:06:40 2021 No.14690019

>>14689961
The way I saw numbers go, Youtube is still a much more casual audience who was just watching VODs before, and with corona end they're leaving streams now that they don't have as much time anymore like before, which explain the overall decline.
While Twitch viewers are more dedicted and people who watch streams regardless, and there is a transfer from regular streamers to vtubers (typicall Tenma got that influx, even if a bit too much).

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 16:07:14 2021 No.14690033 https://youtu.be/akDHyKm7kk0 For anyone who's actually interested in the twitch vs youtube breakdown, this guy does a pretty good overview of it from a streamer's perspective.

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 16:11:07 2021 No.14690155

>>14689990
Not at all, discoverability is the strongest advantage of Twitch over YouTube, You-tube streams are isolated forever and don't get recommended.

Twitch recommended channels are always live channels which is critical but also very accurate now I always only get recommended other vtubers who stream similar stuff that I like.
On top of it raids are critical and always welcomed and 99% of the time made within similar numbers, it works very well and many vtubers search for other to raids to create new links.
On top of it random sub gifts often end up on people who didn't watch before or just followed and actually work to advertise a stream.
Emotes working in other channel has proven to be another way to get people to check out your page if your emotes are good and stand out.
And finally, Twitch has a much larger live audience and many people use Categories which are lackluster on Youtube and hidden. On t witch you can discover new channels easily trough categories of games and tags, I found many speed-runners that way when I was into that.
Youtube is just garbage on all of t his and acknowledged it saying they wanted to work on this for their future overhaul.

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 16:19:08 2021 No.14690395

>>14689990
Twitch has zero discoverability when it comes to VODs, because their focus is on currently live channels. All the discoverability is based on who is being watched right at the moment you log in. This is also why twitch VOD search is non-functional and why they don't store archives long until you hit partner. But if you want to watch a stream, right now, for a particular game, twitch can't make it any easier for you to find a streamer.

Youtube on the other hand is still focused on completed videos , in both search and recommendations. On youtube "who's streaming live now" is as much of an afterthought as VODs are on twitch. This is why what gets recommended to people are viral clips and clip channels on youtube instead of the original streamer.

This is why people say it's easier to start building audience from zero on twitch, because you are more likely to have a niche audience find you while randomly flipping through channels than relying on the youtube algorithm that depends on sub numbers and likes/comments, and prioritizes completed content over livestreams.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 16:21:39 2021 No.14690479 >>14677404 >Marketed themselves as a group until a few months ago, with little promotions, no website for a long time, One of the talents/managers is a software developer, of all the things to fuck up how did they fuck this up?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 16:23:59 2021 No.14690552 >>14668212 you seriously believe in her shit? I watched the vod and half the shit they say in the beginning is contradicted by the other half of the shit they say later.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 17:26:57 2021 No.14692747 Orla who has been struggling on youtube for MONTHS started doing twitch stream and now she's actually growing and gaining an audience since it skews an older audience that actually appreciates what she streams.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 17:36:42 2021 No.14693063 File: 1.02 MB, 1111x618, kik.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14692747 cuter model also helps

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 17:40:01 2021 No.14693168 >>14693063 The new vroid model she used last night was fugging adorable and still looks like an adult

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 17:42:09 2021 No.14693258 File: 382 KB, 343x500, Orla3D.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14693168 It was even better when I realized it was just her 2D without makeup and her hair up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 17:46:38 2021 No.14693412 I know that I want to fuck the bat

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 17:54:17 2021 No.14693644 >>14692747 I don't think her view count actually changed that much, Twitch just shows the actual number of viewers instead of arbitrarily slashing the number like Youtube does. 70-80 viewers seems accurate.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 19:37:47 2021 No.14696537 >>14657446 fpbp

Anonymous Wed Dec 15 20:10:33 2021 No.14697538

>>14690155
>>14690395
Twitch recommended sidebar is fine but discoverability is ass on both. Twitch gives categories I don't care about just because one streamer I watch regularly played in that category, but i never watch those streams(league, cs, final fantasy). Youtube I can't find vtuber/misc streams on the live page, I get some /pol/ shit and tourneys for games, along with recommended getting all fucked cause any vod content I watch is completely different from what I want from a stream i.e. I have podcasts, tech news, educational, or when I get one recommended, it's on the "recommended next to watch" all the way at the bottom.

Lets be honest though which normal or casual viewer is using things like catalogues though. Raids, sub gifts, and global emote usage is something I can applaud twitch for having done right. Youtube is great though if said streamer also makes good vod content such as tutorials, commentary, etc.

YTlive team seems to know their priority issues, but they still don't have a set date for new features. Twitch keeps twiddling their thumbs with dumb features or fumbles features like the "paid recommended" bullshit when they could have gotten good PR.(yes i know YT wasted time removing dislikes but that's most likely a separate team from the YTlive features team). Sub cancel feedback is nice for content creator side though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 21:28:58 2021 No.14700006 >>14687110 >>14688230 >>14664056 Love Orla, Love Amiya simple as Should watch some others

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 21:39:51 2021 No.14700458 File: 416 KB, 452x475, unknown-14.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14700006 Based hagbro

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 21:48:38 2021 No.14700806 >>14657258 >What do we know about them? Char cute

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 21:53:32 2021 No.14700982 >>14693063 >>14693258 It's cute but I still love her regular model the best

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 22:27:47 2021 No.14702863 >>14692747 I don't know about any of that but honestly for me she streams like 3 hours too early. She's way before youtube vtuber primetime, I don't know if it's Euro time but it feels like it sometime.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 15 23:42:34 2021 No.14707513 >>14676662 >She also caused Cyberlive being blacklisted by Tsunderia Well that sucks. smol corps should stick together better.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 16 01:19:17 2021 No.14712689 >>14657258 Bunch of whos

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 16 01:21:33 2021 No.14712760 >>14707513 Don't worry, Cyberlive is blacklisted by most of the other small corps too. There's at least unity there.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 16 01:30:05 2021 No.14713035 >>14700458 BASED hagchads stay winning

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 16 01:32:51 2021 No.14713150 >>14712760 it seems like they arent black listed from prism or phase anymore.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 16 01:33:00 2021 No.14713158 >>14707513 There has been a slow opening up. I think more people are starting to acknowledge CL chubbas when they appear in chat. It may take a few more months until more comes out of it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 16 01:39:01 2021 No.14713494 >>14713158 Someone in PRISM said a collab is in the works earlier and PC ahs collabed with them a decent bit. Just Tsunderia left.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 16 01:39:55 2021 No.14713554 >>14713158 They've been modded in kawaii, phase and Prism's chats. Their new gen 2 is great friends with Miori for Tsunderia and they're the last ones left so it's just a matter of time.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 16 01:40:42 2021 No.14713597 File: 2.71 MB, 640x360, SmartSelect_20211211-150738_Twitch.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14713494 Seems so. I think Tsunderia will fall in line when the other corpos line up. Meruru had already acknowledged Lumi in chat a few weeks ago.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 16 01:42:04 2021 No.14713665 >>14713554 Talents don't like ignoring other talents, doesn't mean anything for their managements' decisions.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 16 01:44:39 2021 No.14713751 File: 707 KB, 1484x1080, ''We''.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14663363 >>14657258

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 16 01:46:28 2021 No.14713822 >>14712760 >>14713150 Why were they blacklisted by everyone? >>14713158 Yeah, I think Amiya mentioned one of the new CL girls recently

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 16 01:48:24 2021 No.14713895 >>14713822 a few of hylo's yabs made the other agencies want to be careful I think. That's why they came back around after Cyberlive debuted generation 2.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 16 01:50:19 2021 No.14713931 >>14713895 Probably more than just the yabs, Hylo's and the others by the company itself. Who knows what was also happening behind the scenes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 16 01:52:38 2021 No.14714025 >>14713895 >>14713931 >>14676662 Is Hylo just dumb or is this all a single event?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 16 01:56:54 2021 No.14714173 >>14714025 chuubas have room temperature IQ, this is a well known fact

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 16 02:11:42 2021 No.14714740 >>14714025 shes fresh out of highschool and has adhd i guess..

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 16 02:16:40 2021 No.14714939 >>14714025 She specifically lashed out at another vtuber and started leaking DMs. Even if she was probably in the right, that's not someone you want to be around and risk them deciding they're doing the "right" thing against you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 16 02:27:58 2021 No.14715494 >>14714939 Do you mean Terumi? Hylo has never done this.

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