/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

How would a Holostars EN group even work? Is Cover going to triage the gachikoi audience (and risk bleeding SC revenue/memberships) by letting them intermingle with HoloEN as much they want, or would the ENStars be limited to JPStars and maybe HoloID collabs?

[Anonymous No.]

They will have only each other to collaborate with, god help them if none of them can speak Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

there is no Holo EN that does GFE
so why does it matter

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>>15418172
They're better off with a HolostarsSEA. That's the only audience that gives a fuck about male vtubers

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>>15418172
If they were smart they would just put the males in HoloEN rather than segregating them in Holostars like JP. A large majority of HoloEN's audience (not /here/) doesn't care about unicorn shit

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>>15418228
If they're gonna be tremaing in Japanese why even have a Holostars EN? That's retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

The will probably keep the idol angle and pull a faux-BTS by hiring streamers that could sing together decently

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>>15418296
Not explicit Rushia/Lamy/Chloe style pandering but you're kidding yourself if you don't think that talents like Gura, Ame, Kiara, and Fauna have large gachikoi audiences. Not rabid unicorns per se, but definitely people who see Hololive as their personal all-girl slice of life anime and have zero interest in male chuubas. This would describe most of /vt/, at least, myself included.

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>>15418309
They've clearly delineated Hololive as all-female and Holostars as all-male. They also seem clearly interested in promoting Stars outside of Japan. That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't interact with Hololive girls, but they're still going to be using the Stars label.

[Anonymous No.]

I unironically want EN holo males to ignore the girls complety and only Interact with Holostars
but I'm afraid they will be not be based enough for that

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>>15418172
Why would EN Holostars be suddenly different from JP Holostars?
They will probably interact with outsiders much more than HoloEN does, and collabs with HoloID and their JP Holostar senpais are easily possible.
They're not going to make them part of HoloEN, only some girls like Mori will throw them a bone as usual.

[Anonymous No.]

its actually embarrassing that holo en is trying to ape niji en. i love holo jp but holo en is pretty incompetent

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>>15418796
You must have missed how Hololive rescheduled streams to overlap every single NijiEN debut relay. Even Gura who doesn't stream moved hers to overlap the men.

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>>15418314
One of the more popular nijiKR stream mainly in Japanese and he's doing pretty well compared to others

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>>15418314
Who says there has to be a HolostarsEN? If there's not enough good people applying, they'll simply not release the branch, not like they have promised anything yet. Japanese may be a must have depending of what they want

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>>15418172
This will be a disaster. What even is the point when they have to tip-toe around all their senpais lol. Not to mention it will put the JP fanbase against EN fanbase. Holostars was already a display of Yagoo's greed in trying to copy Nijisanji without paying attention to Holo fanbase

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>>15418833
Just a coincidence.

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>>15418300
Or they can just create an audience, like they did with Holomyth. Let's not kid ourselves there has been no serious try by any guy to break into the male vtubing community in the West. There is a potential audience there.

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>>15418172
>How would a Holostars EN group even work?
They're going to hire a bunch of English-fluent, failed Korean boyband would-bes and corner the Korean and English markets at the same time.

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>>15418949
there was one literally last week and this far it has greatly outperformed anyone expectations

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>>15418309
Even here, you'd have the idolfags complaining for a few days and then they will move on. Creating this division in a Western branch just feels wrong. You can call me a cuck now.

[Anonymous No.]

I think the way Noripro does things is the best
https://twitter.com/norioo_/status/1345034263339573248?t=czlQ4l0h0FXlUVtBKWmVow&s=19

[Anonymous No.]

>>15419021
>and then they will move on.
And take their superchat money with them. By and large, HoloEN fans are still there to look at cute girls, and Holostars EN fans would be there to look at cute boys. There's no overlap unless you're bisexual, so why not keep the gender segregation?

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>>15418300
>two of the 5 nijiniggers are flipbait
shit you might have a point there

[Anonymous No.]

>Even here, you'd have the idolfags complaining for a few days and then they will move on. Creating this division in a Western branch just feels wrong. You can call me a cuck now.

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>>15419194
>>>/qa/

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>>15419167
name any of the established male flip streamers that will go the corpo route, I doubt gloco will jump on the chance for that given how established his group is locally

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>>15419119
but warabe and lilith collabed with guys?

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>>15418949
NijiEN just did this with Luxium, it’s probably why Cover is even showing males in the application sections.
It just seems like a bad idea though, Cover has a mostly female talent/male audience relationship. There’s not gonna be a graceful way to incorporate males without incurring the wrath of gachikois or unicorns. It’d be fun but it’d probably be rough for the males that might have to dance around as much as they can and still might get shit for wanting to collab with Gura or Mori like what would happen in NijiEN.

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>>15419403
read the tweet again

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>>15419138
Cause we are talking about a Western audience. There is more risk involved in having gender segregated gens.

>And take their superchat money with them.

They'd lose a few paypigs, but they would get other ones that will appreciate the change.

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>>15419792
The dedicated paypigs are uniformly gachikoi, this applies to both male and female streamers. You're also greatly underestimating the number of EN fans who are only interested in watching female vtubers, and not just on here.

Segregation has no "risk", it's just adhering to the established branding that Hololive is all-female and Holostars is all-male. The fact that Cover is clearly trying to promote the existing Stars to non-JP audiences suggests that a male English generation would be under the Stars label.

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>>15419989
Fair, agreed. Might seem ridiculous but my main concern with segregated EN gens would be twitfags.

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>>15418300
They'll hire someone like a male Coco first for the next gen of Holostars to lure EOP interest, and then put in an EN branch when it garnered enough demand. Then COVER will capitalize this rising interest on male vtubers to leverage sponsored hetero units for the sake of marketing

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>>15420495
The NijiEN males' success shows that Cover doesn't need to "gauge interest" slowly first with some half-measures like a single english-speaking StarsJP to test the waters or whatever, the other company already provided them with a proof of concept and case study that there's a sizeable market of underserved audience to be gained.
If they were held back by their own low expectations before ("oh, they'd only get StarsJP numbers, no need to bother"), they shouldn't be anymore. Every month they let pass before reacting only allows Niji to establish themselves more as the leader in that regard, and that'd be the first time Cover were on the backfoot in the west, after they gained dominance with female english vtubers.

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>>15418309
end your life you retard

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>>15421124
>and that'd be the first time Cover were on the backfoot in the west, after they gained dominance with female english vtubers.
Let them have it. The girls are what matters.

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>>15418833
Take your meds fucking schizo

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>>15421124
NijiEN males were always anticipated from the getgo that it's a surprise it took them so long to roll out. Otoh very few people have been looking forward to starsEN, to a point where the consensus is to keep the segregated if it were to happen.

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>>15418172
we don't even know if it's going to be holostarEN, it could be just holoEN3.

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>>15422032
They're probably angling for both an EN3 and a StarsEN1, given the poster showing both HoloMyth and Holostars.

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>>15418309
cuck
EN really was a mistake if this happens

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>>15418648
I think because with the en girls they went less hard on the idol aspect people expect en stars to be the same. Making collaborations between the two more feasible. It wouldn’t surprise me if this was the case if holostars en became a reality

[Anonymous No.]

when are applications over?

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>>15422524
But the EN girls already exist for a long time and they collab with men even less than the JP girls do. Would be very weird for them to suddenly to change it.

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>>15423465
I think some of the girls are interested in breaking down the barrier. Bealz joined Ollie in her Holostars shilling stream and is a known roberu fan. Also while some paypigs may get pissed off the western audience will find it weird if no collaborations were to happen when a male English speaking branch is right there. I would say that most En fans would receive these interactions positively

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>>15424045
>the western audience will find it weird if no collaborations were to happen when a male English speaking branch is right there.
Would they? They'd have separate audiences and it's not like any of them find it that weird that Hololive JP and Holostars don't interact much.

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>>15418172
I can hear this image btw

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>>15418296
Hating Amelia and her hating me back is all the GFE I'll ever need.

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>>15421124
lol were talking about a nip corpo here. They know better or too slow ride any trend train immediately. And besides Holopro works on different parameters than nijisanji, male chubas in NijiEN are inevitable whether they fail or not and even still they debuted 3 waves of an all female group first before putting males in. I don't think Cover would be stupid enough to just announce a StarsEN without substantial ground that it will work in their brand

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>>15424045
All that what will do is dilute HoloEN's unique appeal. Do you want HoloEN, NijiEN, and Vshojo to do the exact same things for the exact same audience?

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>>15418309
If you have a problem with gender segregation you're free to watch Nijisanji.

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>>15424141
You’re probably right about that now that I think about it more. However I do think that if Holostars en did become a thing collaborations between the two would eventually happen and be received well by the general Hololive audience. It might be a slow process but I think it’s possible.
>>15424390
I’m not saying I want this to happen but it might happen if guys were introduced. Personally I’m not hoping for en guys but I’m not completely against the idea. I genuinely don’t think cover has anything to lose from introducing them though. I don’t think the appeal will be ruined because even the jp girls who don’t do gfe and have interacted with guys have many fans.

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>>15418172
I believe omegatranny will push his lore on ENstar and ruin it again, like he did with council. Also the cream of the crop has been taken by NijiEN since they scooped the market first.

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>>15422524
Management may have gone less harder on the idol aspect with EN than with JP, but the talents sure did take more than a couple of pages from that book.

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>>15422524
Several of the already existing EN girls collab all the time with the JP holos, yet only Bae and Mori have collabed with the stars (once each), why would ENstars change anything.
>But they speak english
And guess who doesn't, the JP girls, that they DO collab with all the fucking time

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>>15422141
>given the poster showing both HoloMyth and Holostars.
The first autions they did for HoloEN also both said Hololive and Holostars, and nothing came from the male side of it

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>>15422524
Eh, doubt it, that didn't exactly happen with StarsJP even when Holos at the time used to collab with males quite a lot, certainly didn't help that they debuted around the time Cover decided to launch their own cabaret club gen whose model the other girls copied after the success that gen had.
On top of that, even after all this time since HoloEN debuted they have barely any interaction with the Stars, much less collabs, honestly doubt anything would change even if StarsEN became a thing, they would be segregated much like Stars JP is by most of the company.

[Anonymous No.]

>Most of EN, maybe with a few exceptions like Ina, Mori and Bae won't collab with them
>JPs won't collab with them
>The current group of stars won't collab with them due to the language barrier
>Collabs with NijiEN are not allowed
>Management is super selective with what EN vtubers EN is allowed to collab with
So in the end, they will be a group with an even smaller network than the regular stars

[Anonymous No.]

I don't get why people think there's some big conspiracy limiting the JP girls access to holostars collabs. Its entirely possible they just don't care about them strongly one way or the other.

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>>15433357
Male collabs have never been banned, most talents just aren't interested in them (either they don't care about the Stars or want to cater to their gachikoi audience).

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>>15418388
Why don't you watch actual GFE chuubas instead of deluding yourself that Gura, Ame and Fauna do GFE? "I want them to be my girlfriend" isn't equal to GFE.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15433685
Sounds like you're just trying to rationalize it to yourself GFE-fag

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>>15433685
Active GFE and passive GFE are different. Watching Ame drone on about her dozens of weird hobbies is the latter.

[Anonymous No.]

do you also clasify talking to a female as GFE by any chance?

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>>15434095
That's not GFE retard, that's normal free-talk.

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>>15433849
I watch ame and Fauna but not for their "GFE" content since they don't have any.

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>>15424141
The western audience is nothing like the japanese audience. The degree of separation between male and female talents is something that just doesn't happen in the west, the idea of "PURE IDOL WAIFU" is completely foreign and would offend the average normie if they knew how retarded japs get with this shit. You're delusional if you think westerners would be 100% fine with the EN girls completely ignoring a potential Stars EN. Holo EN is already advertised funny anime girls and not actual idols so any attempts at hard segregation would be even more jarring.

>>15433357
At worse they have managers that would be strongly against it and block those collabs, but the girls have zero interest in it anyways so it's a moot point. I think I remember coco gave her manager a heart attack because they thought she was trying to collaborate with an actual man for a meme review when it was just her kiriyu action figure.

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>>15434249
Yes

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>>15434381
>Holo EN is already advertised funny anime girls and not actual idols
They also tried to distance themselves from a lot of Japanese chuuba/idol conventions which Myth proceeded to completely embrace (most obvious example referring to people in other generations as senpai or kouhai). Mori and Bae would probably collab with the EN Stars once in a while but they wouldn't force it on Gura or Ame.

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>>15434401
But why don't you watch better GFE chuubas if you are that starved for attention? I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm genuinely curious.

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>>15434524
Because I'm in love with Amelia Watson and see her zatsudans as spending quality time together. I do occasionally watch Rushia and Chloe but not for their more overt GFE.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15421241
>>15422268
>>15425950
Enjoy your 2view holostars then. They're still going to offpako with Gura regardless

[Anonymous No.]

>>15434720
>le canceled for grooming discord trannies face

[Anonymous No.]

>>15434756
Do you know what website you're on?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15434617
I hope you find a 2view you can groom sooner than later. Ame doesn't even know your name. She doesn't give a shit about you. I hope you realise that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15434524
More cope from the GFE addict in denial

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>>15435153
I don't know what the fuck you're talking about, I'm not In denial at all. I love GFE.

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>>15434927
If she ever collabs with a male I'll make sure she knows.

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>>15418172
HolostarsEN would be the same as the JP boys if they scout some nice dudes that just wanna keep to themselves. Collabs with ID can happen, but don't forget they are free to collab with literally anyone else they want aside from JP and EN holos for gachi/unicorn reasons and retarded drama. Except Mori. Mori would force herself to be a member of holostarsEN. But overall holostarsEN wouldn't be this huge apocalypse everyone wants it to be. I'm sure dramaniggers foam at the mouth, but in reality once the hypothetical holostarsEN set in and create a steady workflow, everyone would forget the drama baiting and move on once they realize nothing bad is gonna happen.

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>>15434927
NTA but I just embrace the Lars mentality. If I feel like Ame gives a shit about me then she does.

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>>15418172
Has anyone on this board considered that the rest of the audience that Cover has outside of this board is maybe just a touch less deranged and retarded than the posters here? I'm sure HolostarsEN would probably interact with HololiveEN more than their JP counterparts since they aren't really playing to the idol angle as heavily as any of the JP holomems.

[Anonymous No.]

i hope holo reach the small furry audience too

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>>15438829

Yeah but I'm thinking most of the audience would still be protective of the girls.

Especially Ame and Gura.

But, I could be absolutely wrong. Holostars EN have to actually debut, and then we could see what would happen.

Right now, we can only speculate at the most.

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>>15438829
If you don't want weird guys interrupting your space with your oshi that makes you "deranged and retarded?"

And again--it's solely the management which rejects the idol characterization.

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>>15443097
I mean, yeah, it is kinda weird to assume that everyone in that position would drop their spaghetti and wouldn't just be in it to be a professional entertainer. The English Holomems don't even do GFE or adhere strictly JP idol culture standards

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>>15443204
There are some differences but HoloEN is still more or less catered towards people like us who are only really interested in watching girls; Mori is the exception that proves the rule. There are no GFEchuubas like Rushia or Lamy but there are obviously HoloENs with large gachikoi audiences that make up their paypigs.

I can tolerate occasional male collabs as long as they're purely professional and they don't get flirty like Nijis. If that happens and some fucker thinks he has the right to take my oshi away from me I'm out.

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>>15418300
>Any self respecting person
>Watching a male SEAdog

lmaoooooooo

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>>15443728
Good riddance, I guess. These women don't even know you, anon

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>>15444448
They shouldn't, because they're above me. No other male deserves to interact with them on stream, either.

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>>15418172
this will break hololive people will seethe when the en homos interacted with en girls

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>>15441104
>protective of the girls
i only saw deranged unicorns lashed out against the girls when their fragile fantasy got broken

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>>15418172
i just want more penis....

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>>15444699
Is it so wrong to just want to see cute girls interact with each other? Does every vtuber agency have to become a carbon copy appealing to the lowest common denominator of normalfags who are fine with whores and toilet humor?

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>>15418296
If you don't think people will go ape shit if Gura or Ame talk with a male you really are naive

[Anonymous No.]

Myth and council boyfriends pretending they don't know the girls and the mysterious chemistry between them is just a coincidence. The content would be shit because they're not big name content creatirs and got nepotism'd in.

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>>15444548
And this is neither deranged nor retarded how, exactly

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>>15444769
>Is it so wrong to just want to see cute girls interact with each other?
No. But sending schizo messages and spamming chat aren't

[Anonymous No.]

>>15444829
These "people" make up the minority of their audience

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>>15444868
Good thing I'm not doing that, then. This investigator would politely take his membership money and leave. If there are still any agencies that cater to unichads, give me some names.

>>15444903
Why are you so obsessed with seeing Ame and Gura collab with men?

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>>15444988
>If there are still any agencies that cater to unichads, give me some names.
Actually I might not have to do that. I have contingency plans to join the shiikuin if the worst comes to pass.

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>>15444988
>Why are you so obsessed with seeing Ame and Gura collab with men?
At this point, just to piss you off specifically DESU

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>>15444903
>The gosling queen
>And the lolicon queen
Anon you don't even need to say people from /here/ are the minority, Gura and Ame have unicorns all over the fandom enough to be noticed or cause some mental health damage

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>>15445161
Why? If you want to see regular cross-gender collabs, Nijisanji and a million other options exist. You can have what you like and I can have what I like. Why does everything have to be homogenized? It's just like how all movies and pop songs are the same these days.

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>>15445186
The lolicon queen I can buy, but Ame the gosling queen? That is honestly a surprise to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>15445239
You are a goober, anon.

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>>15445441
You know you're allowed to swear on this website, right? I don't know if that's allowed on Reddit.

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>>15445494
Good god you are a silly billy anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>15445556
>you're such a heckin silly billy goober! i want to see my oshi taking every cock in the world except mine!

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>>15418228
>he believes this when EN has the LEECH queen herself.
roru

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>>15445618
You are a diagnosed autist, anon

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>>15445841
Yes, and?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15445942
Have a heckin wonderful nighterino, anon

[Anonymous No.]

>starsEN debuts
>everyone going full schizo assuming there'll be cross-gender collabs and grooming and offcollab sex parties
>it turns out to be one married oji-san type, three openly gay men, and one straight twink who gets relentlessly bullied by the rest
>they never collab with anyone outside of each other

HomoLive is real and starsEN will be the culmination.

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>>15445984
The cope is already beginning. Rumao.

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>>15418648
Because there is not any western male that retard to accept a situation where you are left alone and maybe getting hated just because you are a guy.

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>>15434095
By that logic Vinesauce is BFE

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>>15446325
That's different, man. There's also the bonus if you're membered to Ame, she shows a lot of little tidbits as if it's your gf texting you random shit.

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>>15443728
Kinda agree with you, don't care If they Collab with males, but that hypothetical collabs must entertaining and professional. If they start flirting on stream I may be dropping HoloEN. Sexual jokes are ok If they are funny though

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>>15446764
You'll crumble at the first twitter interaction.

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>>15446325
Vinesauce with a sexy anime boy avatar would be BFE. Vox had a 7 hour stream where he autistically rambled about FNAF lore and asked the chat who had no idea what he was talking about if they knew how they made certain sounds in the game development studio or a fan theory naming a character making it into the official game, and the women just sat there and ate it up and threw money at him. I don't know what Vinesauce does but anything is BFE or GFE if it has a sexy model.

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>>15446797
Since I m neither a gachikoi nor a unicorn I strongly disagree. Seriously, why I would oppose to males collabing with my oshi? If you want to marry your oshi stop projecting into others unicorn chaama

[Anonymous No.]

starsEN would probably work just fine if they hired brotubers targeted at hololives predominately male audience instead of fujobaiting fags and trannies
like all the males on twitch never talked to women before they got popular anyway, they could stay siloed like that and be fine
the only hard part would be finding ones who could sing but thatd also have the benefit of filtering all the retards who would do embarrassing shit anyway

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>>15438829
>they aren't really playing to the idol angle as heavily as any of the JP holomems.
Holostar collabs have nothing to do with being an "idol" though. There are a lot more reasons holding them back.
Ame dropped the idea of that Astel collab ages ago even though she still openly talks about the Holostars and supports them on twitter all the time.

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>>15447271
Does the goldilocks vtuber like this even exist, though? That's what gives me pause on whether HolostarsEN will actually happen or not (and if it does I sort of worry they'll just try to ape Niji and make them all fujobait)

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>>15418833
Holy shit Goober based

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>>15418296
>Mumei
>Fauna
They both do GFE.
And you're the cuck

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>>15448045
there are an endless supply of replaceable dudes on twitch who can be entertaining on stream for hours without facecamming or acting like a complete retard who im sure are at least as anime-curious as mori was and plenty who are gura level, shit im pretty sure every genchink impact guy aside from tectone fulfills that
youre telling me you cant find 3 of them who have some other talent? there isnt 1 dude who can play the guitar well enough to get girls wet? hell remember that 8bit drummer guy fubuki totally didnt want to make white babies with? i also know for a fact thousands of "gamer girls" want to fuck arteezy
you can at least get the equivalent of MYTH out of the west before youre reduced to hiring shouting retards or cringe fujobaiters
also i cant believe im saying this but c*nor was one of those cringe fujobaiters and he'd have worked out if you hired him 2 years ago with a group of brotubers instead of the nijiEN cast

[Anonymous No.]

>>15447437
>There are a lot more reasons holding them back
Such as?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15436101
>but don't forget they are free to collab with literally anyone else they want
If they know Japanese, sure. If they don't then they're fucked.

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>>15418172
IT wouldn't.
Holostars in general was a catasrophic failure. If Cover try to make a Holostars EN then it'll only end in disaster.
Hololive fans do not give a shit about m*les

[Anonymous No.]

under the sub-atomic levels of probability i get into starsEN i told myself i'd be in this for my growth and the growth of my genmates. collabs are nice and all but i'd rather get to know the people who i'm starting from the beginning more than some of the other holo's.