/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Something I noticed when it comes to live2D philosophy: hololive models usually have a lot of movement, sometimes even too much, the models look like they're made of jello or puppets/ragdolls being controlled by someone. This is turns sacrifices facial tracking and expressions, they rely on the press of a button to express emotions. Niji models are a lot more stiff in comparison, but have better range of expressions and do not rely on the press of a button to express emotions, it is literally the person's emotions being tracked in real time.

Which one of these philosophies would you say it's preferrable?

[Anonymous No.]

Kill yourself faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>15780219
Seethe holobronie

[Anonymous No.]

>>15780120
so you prefer uncanny valley levels of 3D with "anime girls" avatar? fuckoff normalfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>15780219
Fpbp

[Anonymous No.]

>>15780120
>the models look like they're ... being controlled by someone
yeah?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15780120
Fuck you pekofrog poster.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15781389
Fuck you "fuck you pekofrog poster" poster. Pekofrog poster is cute and very wise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15780120
>>15780282
Bruh, half of hololive look like cardboats cutouts in the way they move.
They may as well be animated gifs

[Anonymous No.]

>>15780120
>philosophy
Go back to /lgbt/ humanities queer

[Anonymous No.]

>>15780120
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>15780120
Shitstirrers are really digging the bottom of barrels to meet their daily quota of shitposts now, huh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15780120
The official tracker from live2d itself really close to niji's tracker; the eyes' tracking are expressive. It really depends on the rigger for holo as well as indies, but for me it seems like holo's live2d tracker have fluid motion tracking like head's motion but sometimes they can't track mouth movement properly. Meanwhile in Niji we are know how stiff their rigging are especially those who still stuck in 1.0, but their eyes and mouth tracker can be really on point depite the rigging. For Vtube studio, their tracker are almost perfect but for the eyes it's suck ass. It's really are interesting things to discuss technical stuffs about vtubing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15784525
>hey guys, I’m too stupid too understand OP, me have no brain me no anderstando.

[Anonymous No.]

>hololive models usually have a lot of movement, sometimes even too much

[Anonymous No.]

>>15780120
haha funny frog

[Anonymous No.]

>>15788349
When you put it side by side, Jesas, hololive app is truly garbage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15780120
For girls, Hololive
For boys, Nijisanji
girls only need to be cute, men have real emotions

[Anonymous No.]

>>15788482
too based to be left alive

[Anonymous No.]

>>15788349
It really is depends on rigger when it comes to model's flows. Some indies or non-jp groups can have jarring, over-rigged models while holos can have stiff rigging too, like the rhombus rigger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15788482
This

[Anonymous No.]

>>15780120
Isn't it up to the chuuba regardless of company whether they wanna do the button presser thing or have it track expressions in real time? Mysta's expressions are always being tracked, but other Nijis tend to go with the perma smile and buttons for other expressions thing.

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>>15780120
>the models look like they're made of jello or puppets/ragdolls being controlled by someone
You don't fucking say?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15789074
No. Mysta has to force a smile irl to smile on his model to the point where he complained of his face hurting. Pomu's model smiles a lot if her eyes are closed leading to her model smiling even if she's sad, she's also forced a frown on her model before. 3.0 updates have lots of expressions in Nijisanji, but they're extreme, like tears running down the face or an evil smirk and so on. Idk how they do it in Hololive.

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>>15780120
fuck off, i'm not saying you're completely wrong, but the mastery of some of these girls to adjust their avatar in real time can be a talent in itself, leaving it all to tracking can be taken as lazy even

[Anonymous No.]

>>15789306
He doesn't force the smile though. He said he naturally smiled so much that his face hurt.

[Anonymous No.]

Niji and Hololive are both incredibly hindered by their subpar model tracking apps that they force their talents to use. They're old, outdated, and archaic compared to vtubestudio that most indies use.

From personal experience in working with live2d models and close to riggers, seeing the difference between the showcases that riggers post for these corpos vs the actual tracking shows a lot of incompetency with the software.
I'd be surprised if the girls can actually control their in / out values for the sensitivity of their tracking parameters. (Something that you can adjust in vtubestudio easily from person to person, so it doesn't need to be insanely difficult to smile or frown, or be angry).

Hololive's software doesn't even output at thee correct fps for a lot of live2d rigger's physics. Not to mention, for some reason there is no arm parameter in their software, so the arms remain stiff when they have physics in showcases. (Most of the models are rigged so that the arms and body move subtly with the head tracking). Many of the live models lack the ability to be used to their fully rigged capabilities.

What's worse is that Hololive gives their talents iphone tracking, but they seem to completely refuse to utilize the best parts of using the FaceID that comes with those iphones for their software. This leads to not having good eye and mouth tracking, not having eyebrow tracking, and none of the models being equipped with cheekpuff / mouth x / tongue out parameters. Nowadays, most models are made with full mouth forms too, but Hololive often gets models with a restricted amount of mouth forms.

Seriously, in Hololive's case they shouldn't have to toggle their emotions like they do just to show some subtle facial expression.

It's worth it to get at least a shallow understanding of how Live2d art, rigging, and tracking works to fully understand how much their softwares are a complete debuff for their girls when they could be so much more expressive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15795831
Thank you for your insight. I agree, they should atleast update their own tracking app to match rigger's ability to do something. It's really pointless when Holo gets top-tier rigger yet the tracking can't do the rigging's justice. Props to VTube for being mostly open source yet can do much more than "tech" corpo does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15796750
anon there's
>Tech
and
>Japanese Tech
the latter is almost impossible to change cause of nip corpo autism.

[Anonymous No.]

Kill yourself pepe faggot.
No one likes you underage retards