/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

was she really that good?

[Anonymous No.]

No, she was pretty shit and had almost no creativity. Just take a look at kson.

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no

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>>17557716
No, she was a reddit enabler which is why she's loved there.

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>>17557716
things coco was not:
-good
-entertaining
-funny
things coco was:
-brand risk
-traitor
-overpolitical
-savior/martyr complex
-whore
-redditor

[Anonymous No.]

God tier at collabs. She was basically Marine on steroids when it came to chemistry/interactions with other holos which made her extremely popular. Solo wise? not as good, i can't recall a single solo stream that had me as interested. That's probably why kson isn't really entertaining and most of her popularity comes from redditors who gave her a sympathy sub.
>m-muh zhang bugman

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>>17557716
No but she tried to warn us about Mori's drug use and that's based.

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>>17557716
No if you don't understand japanese. Her strength is her zatsudan and before that, her morning news show.

[Anonymous No.]

Nah she was boring. BUT she was the first to do english only streams, and was entertaining sometimes which is better than 90% of the holo's.

I like her now only cause it makes bugmen seethe to like her.

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>>17557716
redditors told me so

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>>17558131
>first

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>>17558131
bugmen stopped caring about her after she graduated but sure, whatever the voices in your head say.

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>>17557716
Coco good
chinks bad
also stop deflecting cuckbeat

[Anonymous No.]

Still is.

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>>17557745
>>17557768
>>17557805
>>17557883
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>>17558138
CCP shill hands posted this

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>>17557716
Stop deflecting cuckbeats

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>>17557716
yes

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>>17557716
No. She was better.

[Anonymous No.]

It certainly doesn't seem like anyone has quite filled that same cultural crossroads role again.

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>>17558763
wrong, artia did it better

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>>17557716
Ok chink, go back to seething about Taiwan.

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>>17557716
yeah

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>>17557716
Opinion on /jp/ was always divided. The origin of "I FUCKING LOVE THIS BITCH" was as a response that drowned out an anti's regular shitpost of "I FUCKING HATE THIS BITCH" they would make any time Coco did literally anything. Opinion on /vt/ is impossible to discern among the post-ironic baiting and dramamongers. In the end, neither /jp/ nor /vt/ will matter.
The fan community that is recording the oral history of vtubers are not the people who come to 4channel, and so the tales passed down through the years will remember her as one of the greats.

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>>17558508
lol no, artia is my oshi, but fuck the ccp, fuck china, fuck authoritarianism, fuck communism, and fuck coco
keeping entertainment and politics separate makes life alot more enjoyable anon, which was a lesson coco never learned apparently, because she couldn't keep politics out of her stream

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>>17557913
>God tier at collabs. She was basically Marine on steroids when it came to chemistry/interactions with other holos which made her extremely popular
>Well it's been 59 minutes

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aside from the taiwan stuff and her weekly reddit leeching she was almost completely irrelevant. when she went on her first big break it was like nothing at all had changed.

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>>17558210
>said the bugman as he eats his bat flavored instant noodles.

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>>17557716
If she was good then Kson would be good but she’s not

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>>17560781
>artia is my oshi
Artia had fans?

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>>17557716
Yes. You will get a zhang filled thread of flesh bots saying that no, though.

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>>17560781
Coco only read a fucking youtube statistic.

[Anonymous No.]

She was pretty important for the EN vtubing scene, but I didn't watch many of her streams.

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>>17561339
10-cent army , which had mandatory hours to watch her.

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>>17557716
Yes

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>>17558068
She left Mori's mic unmuted after that meme review and I thank her for that

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>>17561472
for social credits?

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>>17557716
Seeing as all she has done with her newfound creative freedom is rehash old ideas and act more like a whore, no not really.

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>>17561548
And a lead rice bowl.

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Cuckbeat is on copium and hope that doing Chink roleplay will deflect the hate

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>>17561340
OP himself is an Artiafag, these threads always make me laugh because when you take out all the samefagging it’s just 2 chinks posting over and over bumping their own irrelevant thread, desperate for attention.
And what else they have left? Their oshi still hasn’t returned from the trip to the glue factory, meanwhile kson is living the dream life.

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>>17557745
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>>17557883
Artiafags, you have to let it go

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>>17561417
in a vacuum, yes that's all she did and it shouldn't have been political at all, but there's alot more context at play here.
She was a cover employee, cover had a chinese branch with alot of money involved, and unfortunately due to the retarded authoritarian politics of china, saying taiwan is no good.
Now, i doubt there's a "guidelines to working as a hololive talent" pdf that says "dont say taiwan ever because it will lose us alot of money" but here's the next piece of context... CHAMMERS JUST DID EXACTLY THE SAME THING AND GOT IN BIG TROUBLE FOR IT.
So coco knew exactly what she shouldn't do, but did it anyway for multiple reasons: she has a savior/martyr complex, she wanted to protect or at least stand in solidarity with haato, she valued the taking the political stance more than just being an entertainer.
TLDR: saying taiwan isn't political normally, but when corporate has a ton of money involved with china, it unfortunately is (and she knew that because haato had just been punished for saying taiwan).

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>>17561746
Why are you so retarded? Is it a birth defect?

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>>17560781
Literally just showed a YouTube analytics screen you fuckin faggot.

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>>17557716
3.8/5 Not Terrible Not Great.

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She was really good before Asacoco 2.0, I think management bonk her too much even before the yabe, it goes down hill from there.

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>>17561746
>but when corporate has a ton of money involved with china

Coco made more money than the entire CN branch+JPs who stream on bili combined

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>>17558169
what she speaks cannot be considered english

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>>17561746
Bla bla bla, bow down to china.
Taiwai is better than west Taiwan, deal with it bug
Eat a bag of dick zhang, also i hope you guys enjoying your soccer team lost on the 1st of lunar new year

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>>17557716
She’s based

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>>17561746
>but when corporate has a ton of money involved with china

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>>17557716
I don't like R*ddit humor. I also don't like how R*dditors went absolutely nuts when she tricked holomems into swearing. Overall, 2/5. Look at her contents right now, it's clear she was never good.

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>>17562036
*sighs*
maybe if you tried being open to different viewpoints you'd learn something for once anon. I'm an american, i hate china's politics too.
but you have to look at cover from the standpoint of a business. also was there some sort of soccer game? what's the lunar new year? it's february? why would chinks care about soccer?

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>>17557716
https://youtu.be/ErlSkoriN98
Even today, she helped her kouhai from pinch.

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>>17562205
>*sighs*

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>>17560781
> Your oshi watch Werewolf warrior and glorified about attack Taiwan politician
> Your discord faggots built spam discord and spam Fubuki until now

Do us a favor and KYS right now

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>>17557716
She was the best at bringing out peoples true nature and helping improv the girls confidence, she also helped bridge the gap for western audiences and introduce them to Hololive. And there are a lot of things she did that helped make hololive a better place, like push for Hololive English. She was never the best solo streamer, but is a good person.

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>>17561832
read >>17561746
>>17561991
ah yes, but imagine a world where they get not just 1 or the other, but BOTH as income sources. i know, crazy concept right? but as a business, that's what you do, try to increase revenue

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>>17557716
She's not the absolute best, yes. She is a legend who fight for Hololive and it talents to the very end. Better than the one that defense a ani-tuber that shit talk her gen-mates and company, or a bunch of wolf warriors, that for sure

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>>17557716
just look at how pathetic OP is.
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vt/search/image/nPhKMBi7pOflqqYMzCehEw/

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>>17562421
HOLY SHIT A SCHIZO

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>>17562028
I feel like Hachama would acknowledge this to be true.

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>>17561718
You don't know anything about artia and artia fans do you?
quoting an anon that calls coco a reddit enabler as a bad thing, and accusing him of being an artia fan is just, ignorant. Artia was the first holo to officially interact with r/hololive. Artia was the first holo to become a mod on r/hololive, and the first to post on it. Coco just piggybacked r/hololive off of artia.

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>>17557716
She was great, particularly when interacting with other Holos which is really the only thing lacking from kson's channel.
A lot of complaints about her that aren't just zhangs came from EOPs.

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>>17562365
Imagine a world where bilibili weren't already attempting a hostile takeover of their company branch and they still only lost 7% of revenue because the paying part of China didn't care and still donated to Coco.

[Anonymous No.]

>didn't finish the BoS story in FO4 because muh chinks
Pussy bitch

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>>17557716
She was really only good in collabs.

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>>17562259
The amount of Hologras with her that would have been kino but nope, Taiwan lives rent free in the heads of the most populous country.

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>>17562873
Her own content was great too. It's just that she shined more in collabs because her interactions with other holos was always so top tier.
Really the only complaint I remember I had from that time is that she was really into Ark at one point and I could never get into those streams.

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>>17562677
Are we seriously going to brag about "leddit frist" on here now?

You have to let it go Artifags, also you need to go to.

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>>17563091
it wasn't bragging, it was pointing out a logical discrepancy. artia fans can't say "coco bad because reddit" without acknowledging the ties artia herself had to reddit. Artia also claimed to learn her english through a combo of twitch, reddit, discord, and 4chan

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>>17557716
She was the best. Miko collabs were golden.

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>>17561746
It's not saying Taiwan that angers China, it's implying that Taiwan is its own country when it's just a renegade province. Same as telling Somalia that Somaliland is independent.

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it felt merrier when she was around

[Anonymous No.]

No. Just the typical Holo buff.

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>>17563906
It certainly filtered more trannies and faggots. I imagine omegatroon had a hand in her graduation.

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>>17562677
T- chan just sent invitation to Artia and she just exist but Coco make content from Reddit meme review and bring popularity to Hololive.

Artia is useless lazy bitch

T. REDDITOR

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>>17563413
She just got invited from T-chan first and Artia not care about reddit at all.

Artiafags always are ridiculous

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>>17557716
only when management forced her to take a break from trying to be edgy and subversive. the quest to seem like she was a reject from a highschool locker room was more harm than good. shit sucked when she did it and it still sucked when vshitshow decided imitating it and dialing it up was the road they wanted to follow. it's a shame she decided that trying to be that way was more important than everything else with her career, it'd have been nice for her to have stuck around and outlasted the zhang faggotry instead of running off for "reasons". she had good chemistry with her coworkers.
>>17557913
yes. when she was hanging with her friends, she was fun. alone... it took j "chad" in heavy wrangler mode to keep her from turning into a mass of cringe that exceeded the plebbit reviews (which were only good for her playing off her guests). her short round with terraria was some of her best, because she was just having fun and showing how much of an adorable dweeb she can be when she gets going. sadly now half her base are people who only follow her because they think she cares about their war with the chinks, when she very clearly wants to have nothing to do with that shit.
>>17560781
>fuck the chinks
>but also I follow their party line that speaking the name of a country their darklord denies the existance of (because it houses the legit gov't he drove away) is automatically politics
you do a shit job of showing you aren't one of them. how's the loss of social credit treating you?
>>17561651
cuckbeat is high on lean and thinks calling everyone a zhang will shield kalliope from criticism because he doesn't understand that people defended coco because she legit did nothing to warrant the shit that took place, but hopes his oshi's making an idiot of herself and ending up needing to hastily cover her ass with management over
>implying drugs
will go away if he chants it loud enough.
>>17561746
>there's alot more context at play here.
no, there isn't. your post is not worth reading as of your claiming that, zhang. get >>>/out/ already
>>17562205
>you need different viewpoints!
>you must care what the brainwashed crazies have been told to think!
>I'm an american, honest, now listen to my master's whim!
>>>/out/

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>>17562365
Holy ESL. Thanks for the laugh Zhang

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>>17561746
>CHAMMERS JUST DID EXACTLY THE SAME THING AND GOT IN BIG TROUBLE FOR IT.
This is a lie. Nothing happened to her until both her and Coco got suspended at the same time, several days after the incident.
>So coco knew exactly what she shouldn't do, but did it anyway for multiple reasons
This is also a lie. The talents were not instructed on why they should avoid mentioning Taiwan, which is clearly evident from the fact that they did it like 6 times before. That's why the CEO apologized and took a pay cut, because it was management's fault ultimately.
>she valued the taking the political stance more than just being an entertainer.
>she knew that because haato had just been punished for saying taiwan
https://files.catbox.moe/z3anmz.webm

>TLDR: Haato's Bilbili channel got banned at like midnight, and nobody told Coco before her morning show at 6am and then the zhangs sperged out because they are racist against Americans so they made up lies and I believe them because I'm stupid
There I improved your post for you.

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>>17564477
>instead of running off for "reasons"
She was blackroomed, collab banned and had her membership destroyed when someone modded zhangs into it. To the point that she cried on stream and had to manually repair it. Who wouldn't quit?

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>>17564477
Here, you drop this

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>>17565215
>TLDR: Haato's Bilbili channel got banned at like midnight, and nobody told Coco before her morning show at 6am and then the zhangs sperged out because they are racist against Americans so they made up lies and I believe them because I'm stupid
Exactly.
Right as that happened I was recently unemployed and watching vtubers 16 hours a day (my employer went under during to COVID), including both Haachama and Coco. It's weird to see people spout random shit that is the exact opposite of things I saw happen in real time. The organization of Chinese spammers was not instantaneous either, and there were a lot of factions and casual haters pushing for different directions or demands, before a core of them solidified on targeting Coco and Fubuki.

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>>17561746
Taiwan is a country and and literally everyone except you faggots accept that, including the actual citizens of the country

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>>17565215
>This is a lie. Nothing happened to her until both her and Coco got suspended at the same time, several days after the incident.

NGA was planning about make Haachama graduate but Coco happened beforenand. That why "Coco take bullet for Haachama" came from.

> They want attack Haachama but change to Coco at midnight

T. The Judas of NGA

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>>17563674
Any area is a country if the people in that area consider it a country and form a legitimate government accepted by the citizens. That is basic stuff.

The fact that a bully nation nearby doesn't like that and wants power over them is neither here nor there.

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>>17565666
They really want attack Hololive but has not excuess for do it so they plan to sent political superchat and watch Hololive members speak Taiwan.

Haachama and Coco were not in their plan by the way.

( example: Watame was recieved "Taiwan is country" SC in Youtube but she not speak Taiwan just thank them)

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>make a joke
>destroy an entire branch of the company
Kson is both based and stupid.

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>>17566286
She didn't make a joke, she just pointed out that she has fans from all around the world because a viewer asked.

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>>17563674
People in Burgerland don't understand shared nationalist sentiment. They only get angry over partisan shit, like saying that trans people are valid/not valid.

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>>17566286
What destroyed the branch wasn't really Coco.
It was bilibili trying to pull some shady shit for ownership of the branch, trying to instate it's own managers on each channel, spurring on antis and more or less attempting to blackmail Cover.
Chances are pretty good they were trying to do something like that long-term anyway, Cover just did a quick calculation and realized dropped the small amount of income mainland Chinese operation gives them wasn't worth the headache.

All the really big mainland chinese donators just used taiwan VPNs anyway. That's a big part in why the google statistics show Taiwan so high.

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>>17564477
Nyanners and Vei were edgy and sexual years before Hololive even existed.

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>>17565687

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>>17566704
>picture of the countries whose governments officially pretend that Taiwan is not a country so they can buy cheap shit from China

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>>17566704
"Recognition" is a meme. In political science a state is defined by four things:
>their own territory
>their own population
>their own government
>their own sovereignty and capacity to engage in diplomacy

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>>17566484
Controversies in China play out like that. Some person does something that's deemed wrong and people demand punishment without forgiveness. It's a cultural thing.

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>>17566877
The official stance of the state of Taiwan is that they are the legitimate government of China.

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>>17567302
They're going independent now

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>>17567302
You're like decades out of date, anon.

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>>17567109
>It's a cultural thing
Pretty much this. They even have a law for "Hurting the feelings of the Chinese people". It's as if they don't have a sense of humor. While in the West whenever a Texan rants about secession from the US, or a Catalonian about seceding from Spain, we just make fun of them.

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>>17566704
>ignore that most of the "pink" countries officially recognize and uphold both as independent countries
China would have just done a forceful takeover of Taiwan by now if it weren't for all these "pink" western countries promising to support Taiwanese independence if such an attack was made.

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>>17567362
That's a partisan stance made to appeal to middle class voters. Most people support the status quo. And the military are not middle class yuppies.

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>>17567549
>Catalonian about seceding from Spain
The put politicians in prison over that tho.

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>>17566203
holy shit ESL

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>>17566704
ask those countries if they teach in schools whether taiwan is part of china or if people believe they are the same country.

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>>17567563
The economies of China and Taiwan are already integrated. War accomplishes nothing unless there was a third party trying to split the two apart.

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Still think it was selfish as fuck for Coco to just leave Hololive like she did. The company literally cut off from China because of her, and had to endure spammers in all the channels that interacted with her at all. Then when it seems like everything is back to normal, she announces that she's leaving yet its not like Cover has reconciled with the CN side because of it. Coco didn't even put in a full 2 years into the company lol.

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>>17567854
>selfish as fuck
She was collab banned, blackroomed, and some retard in Management destroyed her membership by MODDING ZHANGS INTO IT. Her leaving isn't selfish, it's rational.
Besides that, Coco was never selfish, everyone in Hololive knows her as the biggest saviourfag.

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>>17567854
Her manager was too incompetent anon. Fucking zhangs got modded. China was a lost cause anon. CN branch sold out to Bilibili to remove Hololive. You just know Artia got promised that nice model in exchange of trying to get Cover tech.

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>>17567824
>The economies of China and Taiwan are already integrated.
What makes you think China cares about that? China would much rather have unrestrained access and control over Taiwanese manufacturing, especially as a means to exert control over manufacturing that the west relies on.

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>>17568143
Was she being punished for the controversy? Or they were just trying to contain her antics?

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>>17568731
Yes.

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>>17568731
Neither, it was to protect other talent while insane zhangs were harassing anyone who associated with her.

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>>17568731
go to ask in the aqua thread

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>>17568581
Because open conflict would completely disrupt global supply lines of critical stuff like semiconductors and strain relations with the West. The short term damage would be too excessive, and a lot of people wouldn't just surrender.

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>>17568971
>open conflict would completely disrupt global supply lines
How much resistance could Taiwan actually pose if China bore down on them with full force? If the west didn't vow to back Taiwan, it would be over in a month or less, the long term gains for China would vastly outweigh the short term costs.

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There inconsistencies within the google analytics feature.
Sometimes they write it as 視聴者の国, sometimes 視聴者の地元. I don't know when it got changed, or maybe it's written differently in different parts.
I saw a clip of Ars Almal from Niji a long time ago, she read (she didn't showed) her google analytics and she said 視聴者の国. So, that's that.
If you go to your own youtube analytics in Japanese, you may see 上位の国, and you may see Taiwan in that list.
If they really care, you won't see bilibili (or any other chink-related apps) in platforms owned by google, such as youtube or google play store.
Think about it...

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>>17569381
Some of the Taiwanese military establishment would probably collaborate, but the repression necessary would be a PR nightmare, and cause lasting economic damage. Modern conflict is more like marketing, and even something as silly as VTubing can get hit by the crossfire.

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>>17568971
A significant number of people want strained relations with the West, and it's not like connected economies prevent conflict, as seen in past wars. War is a loss for everyone involved, but it is inevitable because humans are not intelligent and only know how to fight.

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>>17567707
He's ESL but he's not wrong.

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>>17568845
>Neither, it was to protect other talent while insane zhangs were harassing anyone who associated with her.
So they got what they wanted in the end. If the company wanted to take a stance they should have found a way to deal with that.

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>>17569381
People said the same thing when Germany threatened to invade Poland.

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>>17569629
>PR nightmare
Once again, gotta think long term here, yeah it would be bad for a year or two but after that people would forget, like when Russia annexed Crimea. That was effectively memory holed less than a year later. Honestly, if Taiwan didn't have support from the west, Chinese threat of force would probably have them unilaterally fold under diplomatic means because the reality is that they simply don't have the means to fight off someone like China by themselves. That is to say, there probably wouldn't even be a fight.

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>>17569813
>So they got what they wanted in the end. If the company wanted to take a stance they should have found a way to deal with that.
Coco is gone so I'm not disagreeing that the Zhangs won in the end, but realistically, what do you think Hololive could have even done after the yab happened?

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>>17566704
Based central America.

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>>17570333
Crimea was forgotten because there was no real conflict there, most of the population was Russian and identified as such. If anything the story doesn't play into the Western narrative at all. Meanwhile Taiwan is already under the influence of China economically, it's the political system and civil society that creates contradictions that the US takes advantage of.

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>>17570473
>but realistically, what do you think Hololive could have even done after the yab happened?
Create a great firewall to protect their creators from foreign influence.

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>>17570834
>Meanwhile Taiwan is already under the influence of China economically
>political system and civil society that creates contradictions that the US takes advantage of.
Despite what is implied by the One China Policy, Taiwan does not need permission from China to make trade agreements with anyone, which is precisely the reason China wants to exert direct control over it AND why the west supports Taiwanese independence. If China took over full control, the US effectively loses a competitor, and China is much bigger and more difficult to negotiate with than Taiwan is and would be more expensive.

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>>17571010
>Create a great firewall to protect their creators from foreign influence.
I'm guessing you're taking the piss but there are enough retards here that I can't take that for granted so I'll just take you seriously for now and remind you that they are on YouTube and couldn't actually implement fuck all to prevent attacks against it.

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>>17566704
That only means it is an unrecognised country.
Sovereignty is completely independent from recognition, you'd know that if you had taken a single polsci class in your life. It is a fact that ROC is currently the only sovereign state over the island (something which has never been done by any other state during the PRC's short existence) and most of the states in red do, in fact, maintain separate diplomatic relations with both China and Taiwan through "cultural offices" or "commercial offices" which are embassies in all but name, meaning they recognize Taiwan's status as a sovereign state.
So does China, for the record. They claim Taiwan is part of the PRC but still treat it as a country for practical purposes, including trade. And so do the Zhangs who used Taiwanese proxies to evade the great firewall so they could watch reddit dragon.

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>>17570473
...literally not do what they did to her? Like, people are saying that Fubuki is the next target to be attacked after Coco but somehow, company treatment seems to vastly differ? Fubuki is still appearing on company events, collaborations (both internal and external), still on Hologra.

The Holo-oshis conveniently neglect Fubuki's unarchived stream right after Coco's graduation where she admitted noticing differentiated treatment for some talents; and somehow groups of people still held to the narrative of "Fubuki said it before: that if she's still here, Hololive is a good place to be."

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>>17573500
Treatment has to be tailored to the situation and FBK's situation was nothing like Cocos who's chat was utterly unusable and had to be set to members only for months. Has that ever happened to FBK because to my knowledge, it's not.

[Anonymous No.]

every time, please stay behind your firewall, thanks

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>>17557716
No, but I liked her.

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>>17557716
that's my bitch

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>>17557716
the best there is, the best there was, the best that'll ever be

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>>17575511

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>>17557716
No, but she was important to the growth of Vtubers in the west.

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>>17575274
This.
Also still can't get used to her new model.

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>>17565809
I respect you defecting and sharing the truth with us.

[Anonymous No.]

ITT: social credit farmers.
They work this hard so they can a dentist appointment and ride a train.

[Anonymous No.]

Remember, the only good chink is a dead chink

[Anonymous No.]

>>17569381
If China invades taiwan militarily it's going to end up like afghanistan. Taiwan is a heavily forested and mountainous island with plenty of places for insurgents to go to ground, so unless they are willing to level the entire island to the ground they'll have to deal with a persistent insurgency, same as what America did in Afghanistan. And we all know how that ended up.

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>>17579871
Anon, chinks are not afraid of loosing men, or if they have to genocide a whole island. The most frightening thing for them in that conflict is the response of the West.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17580092
anon, china is not retarded. If they glass the entire island then the lose the whole point of taking Taiwan in the first place

[Anonymous No.]

Was she good? Maybe, but what is true is that she was worth more than all of China.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17579871
But do Taiwanese have the Afghan spirit?
I'm almost sure they are the same lazy coward shits as most modern westerners are. Except they have not superiority in arms over China.
Also it's impossible to conquer Afghanistan, Syria or other shitholes, because honestly there's nothing to conquer there. Just a random bunch of wandering savages scattered over shithole, you waste more money for rockets to destroy their rusted cars or smth.
But Taiwan is totally different. Destroy their infrastructure and it'll be nothing.

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>>17580161
Are you sure about that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17580350
>But Taiwan is totally different. Destroy their infrastructure and it'll be nothing.
Destroy their infrastructure and there is nothing left to conquer. Most of their valuable industrial plants are rigged to blow if need be--the PRC will waste their precious one-child only-sons to inherit an island of slag.

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>>17557716
>was she really that good?
Yes, asacoco is what made me love hololive :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H7PiU0W_Fo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OijulL77BXw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxYDIpvF14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4E96OfUUY4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqY-yyNC4-k

Imagine if we still had this every few days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17581073
>Imagine if we still had this every few days.
I do imagine, Anonymous...
I do imagine...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17580869
You think like American in terms of money.
Now try to see the situation by eyes of PRC fanatics. They could be ready to pay this price to reunite the land.
The western intervention is more undesirable, but are you sure USA are ready to seriously fight for Taiwan?
The only thing that stops Chinese is the hope that they could somehow acquire Taiwan the peaceful way as with Hong Kong. While China become stronger economically and prevail even more over Taiwan, they can afford to wait.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17581352
>They could be ready to pay this price to reunite the land.
No. The new generation of wealthy Chinese in cities is as decadent as the West.
>The only thing that stops Chinese is the hope that they could somehow acquire Taiwan the peaceful way as with Hong Kong.
Yes.
>While China become stronger economically and prevail even more over Taiwan, they can afford to wait.
No, they have one generation left before the cause is lost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17581352
When Germany invaded Poland the entire world got involved. Same will happen with Taiwan.

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>>17581623
Not if Russia attacks Ukraine first and then with the US/West in a globally precarious position they would bow out and thus gain Taiwan and lose nothing. Really, focusing on Russia rather than china is one of the biggest mistakes biden has made and will cost the US greatly.

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>>17581352
>are you sure USA are ready to seriously fight for Taiwan?
It's not just USA, but also Japan, Australia, and India, and probably others. People love to love RoC as much as the love to hate PRC.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17581560
Not all Chinese are rich and live cities
>>17581623
You forgot that Germany acquired Austria and Czezh and no one gave a shit.
Also when Russia acquired Crimea they only got some sanctions.

[Anonymous No.]

She was the best and she makes schizos and chinks seethe shes perfect lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>17581829
>Not all Chinese are rich and live cities
LOL no shit but poor people don't set policy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17582039
Many rich Russian who live in Moscow didn't want any conflict with Ukraine and all the sanctions, but nobody asked them, instead the government relied on support of provincial rednecks who are overly patriotic and love Putin, despite their miserable salaries.
By the way the Iran Revolution also was made with support of poor islam fanatics from provinces, who despised the western influence in capital.
So your statement is false.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17582281
I disagree.

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>>17557716
No
She was the only one with decent English skills among hololive back then, so she attracted a lot of last cowboys and foreign viewers when hololive was getting popular in the west.
Her asacoco season 1 was a breath of fresh air doing news recaps of what holomem did in their streams but then she went too far and got canned by management.
Her solo gaming streams were below average because she wasn't a good gamer or a good entertainer while playing games, and she refused to play Nintendo games (used that to get superchats)
Her collab power outside of 1 on 1 collabs was also poor, since she would be barely heard
It's only when she said Taiwan and became the anti chink holo that the new fans started considering her as one of the best holo streamers, and those who previously didn't didn't like her were called chinks or zhangs

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>>17581073
Asacoco was one of the things that got me into hololive. I immediately went back and watched all of the english subbed episodes. It was just one of those things that made Hololive have a sort of magic about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17582715
>refused to play Nintendo games
That's actually a good thing.
Do you miss Pokemon streams?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17582774
And now it was ripped as Asakoyo

[Anonymous No.]

>>17582779
She was bad at games and not playing Nintendo games just made her gaming repertoire even more limited

[Anonymous No.]

>>17582822
Improved

[Anonymous No.]

>>17582715
>It's only when she said Taiwan and became the anti chink holo that the new fans started considering her as one of the best holo streamers
How new?
Setting aside Asacoco, she was the fastest growing vtuber channel of the first half of 2020, her monetization stream was legendary, and /jp/ love-hated her from the moment of her debut. Her 3D debut saw /jp/ become the most active board on the site from the Hololive thread alone As much as it is bad to talk about reddit on 4chan, it's worth noting that her shitpost reviews started before the chinkout and they were popular even on 4chan, in that same love-hate way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17583039
How so, asakyo is boring as fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>17583307
So you only watched Asacoco to hear fuck, motherfucker and shit every two lines?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17583404
You never watched a single episode

[Anonymous No.]

>>17582715
Most of what you said are true except for the collab power thing. It's in taking leadership roles where Coco shines the most. Without her, Yonkisei would have been considered a boring failure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17583177
>how new
/vyt/ veteran
What you described had nothing to do with how good or bad she was
>fastest growing vtuber
I already addressed that. English speaking holo debuting during Hololive's western popularity boom and nips finding her exotic (last cowboys). Gokisei got 100k subs during their debuts
>monetization
Has nothing to do with how entertaining a holo is. She struck gold by getting rich gachikois because of what I mentioned earlier
>3D debut saw /jp/ become the most active board
/jp/ was already inclining, the 3D debut just attracted a lot of tourists since she numberfagged her 3D debut in all social media. Other yonkisei 3D debuts got similarly high activity on /jp/ but you chose to attribute all of that to Coco?
>reddit review
They were really bad and it didn't help that she had to translate the unfunny jokes and memes to the guests

[Anonymous No.]

>>17583540
Neither do you

[Anonymous No.]

>>17583795
>reddit review
>They were really bad and it didn't help that she had to translate the unfunny jokes and memes to the guests
Good thing she never has to do those anymore haha...

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>>17583795

[Anonymous No.]

>>17583938
She still does, but I guess without Japanese guests it's even more boring.

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>>17583795

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>>17584052
Yeah that's what I was alluding to, I guess it wasn't totally clear. I was always under the impression she did them at hololive because she wasn't allowed to do content that was any edgier, but then she kept going on her new (old) channel so I dunno.

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>I don't like it, therefore it's shit
This argument will make you look like a 8yo throwing a hissy fit, remember this, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17584052
>I guess
this whole thread in a nutshell

[Anonymous No.]

>>17584283
Sorry, I'm just not so interested in Kson as a character as I was in Coco to watch her more often.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17584102
You cherry picked /jp/ activity during her 3D debut to prove she was good, and then you complain about fallacy?
I accept your concession

[Anonymous No.]

>>17584464
But that's a fact, also her 3d debut was first hololive stream to pass 100k

[Anonymous No.]

>>17580350
not even afghans have the afghan spirit,during evacuations most of the ANA either joined the tally or got the fuck outta dodge, and the vast majority or refugees(outside of some small rebel groups) are to scared shitless of tally to do shit.

T.anon who was at the august kabul evacuations

[Anonymous No.]

Hololive abandoned the Chinese market for her and she fucking quit. She's nothing but a traitor and deserves the hate.

[Anonymous No.]

She was really cringe and tryhard but I liked her anyway. She never did anything malicious and the other holos really liked her too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17584609
>>17584627
The duality of Anon

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>>17584514
And then another 2 from the same gen got 100k in the following weeks

[Anonymous No.]

>>17584683
I wonder why
She shilled the fuck out of their 3D debut for a whole month

[Anonymous No.]

>>17584683
Question,
Why are You so desperate to undermine her contribution to Hololive popularity?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17584810
I sometimes wonder how much numberfagging was behind her leaving. I remember her making a salty tweet about Botan getting 100k subs before debut and stated that it wouldn't have been possible without those that came before her (as if there was anyone claiming otherwise). Then you have her desperate race to 1M subs within a year, which was derailed badly by the taiwan incident, meanwhile the new EN gen all leapt past 1M much faster than she ever could. She went from being the rising star at the start of 2020 to being totally sidelined by the end. Was this what she meant when she said she had started comparing herself to others and started to resent them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17584609
She never betrayed anyone, she was forced out. And CN did that to themselves after getting involved in illegal shit. Remember Japanese labour laws: you cannot get fired unless you do something illegal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17585118
>Was this what she meant when she said she had started comparing herself to others and started to resent them?
No that was about other Holos getting their special projects approved (such as concerts and 3D streams) while management blocked Coco from doing hers (Asacoco and multiple replacement show ideas she came up with).

[Anonymous No.]

>>17585118
>She went from being the rising star at the start of 2020 to being totally sidelined by the end.
That was precisely what happened, literally to that. It's funny how all of Cover guidelines were catered to block her from moving. And Taiwan was the nail on the Coco coffin.

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>>17584810
Her power to shill her colleagues can't be denied. Like, the weekly meme review might not be about good memes, but introducing small jokes here and there along with the guest in front of easily >20k viewers is great popularity redirection and sharing. I think Council don't get to experience this like Myth did and that's a part of their reason for slow growth.

...and like legit, if Coco didn't crap on Yagoo so much, do people really think Yagoo would have become a "best girl" meme all by himself? I think Yagoo's popularity was boosted by Coco so much, she turned the meme into a real thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17585118
>I remember her making a salty tweet about Botan getting 100k subs before debut
You shouldn't rely on google translate
https://streamable.com/3goh2f

[Anonymous No.]

>>17585358
YAGOO actually praised Coco and even offered her millions just to not leave. She refused anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17585395
>Offering money to one of the top earners
Yagoo is stupid, and no wonder she refused, cause that wasn't what she wanted.

[Anonymous No.]

No, it was cringe humour for teenagers.

She will however forever be a saint for getting Hololive out of zhangland.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17557716
Her karaoke was kino.
Some of her playthroughs were fun too.

[Anonymous No.]

I have no clue. Did not watch her solo streams and in the collabs that I remember I found her to be unremarkable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17587678
Your opinion is important to us.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17585158
Pure speculation, you don't know shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17557716
lol no, no one gave a shit until she got involved with le bad asian country

[Anonymous No.]

>>17557716
Coco was good for collabs and fun little ideas the other girls didn't do, like asacoco and dare I say the meme review, simply because it got more of the girls involved (especially meme review with the westerners able to interact more with the jp girls). She had good chemistry with a lot of girls. Standard solo streams didn't really stand out though, she didn't do anything special for those.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17588257
Everyone already knew the truth. Cover modding Zhangs into her membership was the smoking gun that proved she was indeed being subject to corporate bullying. "Creastive differences" were always corpospeak.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17557716
THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST

[Anonymous No.]

>>17565858
The Taiwanese don't consider Taiwan a country, they just don't accept the government of communist China.

[Anonymous No.]

No.

She was the best.

[Anonymous No.]

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[Anonymous No.]

Coco was incredibly hard working (Asacoco), was strong (all of the YAB shit she did despite being scolded), was creative (Asacoco, the skits, the EN stuff), was loved by a lot of people (graduation was the most popular Vtuber stream EVER to have been broadcasted, with 491k people coming to see her off)...
She even inspired me to follow my own dreams again.
Fucking love this bitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17557716
It is for a reason that she was one of the most beloved members by her fans and co-workers.
No matter how hard the bugs try to change history

[Anonymous No.]

Nothing to say, just posting whatever so this thread where chinks farm social credits can die sooner.
Remember to always sage anons

[Anonymous No.]

>>17593019
This. Talents in hololive have more utility than just being good solo streamers (though I think she was getting better at solo gaming streams in 2021), she was at her best as an older sister or leader for the other girls on and off stream. When you look at the attitudes of the people she worked with and how badly they wanted her to stay then it's easy to dismiss the opinions of insects.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17593176
>farm social credits
>by posting on firewalled websites
American intelligence

[Anonymous No.]

>>17593471
4chan actually isnt blocked in china funny enough

[Anonymous No.]

>was she really that good?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17593521
It is you ignoramus

[Anonymous No.]

>>17593881
It is not. It used to sorta be blocked because the old captcha system was blocked, but once that changed they are completely free to read and post here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17557716
I miss her so much bros

[Anonymous No.]

>>17561866
You didn't SEE any antis in the chat because they aren't THERE!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17561746
>everyone should at all times care what piece of shit land is disputed
Man I fucking hate these slanty eyed retards

[Anonymous No.]

>>17594431
she looks like she enjoys teaching innocent virgin boys about sex

[Anonymous No.]

>>17557716
no, but you're not allowed to say that she wasn't

[Anonymous No.]

Her content wasn't very good but she was good at appealing to EOPs while talking with her fellow nips

[Anonymous No.]

>>17558068
>>17561531
Can I know more about it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17557716
She IS that good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17593881
Pretty sure its not lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>17557716
i gave her a shot and really never really felt too engaged unless she was in a collab

i appreciate what she tried to do but i really just could not get into her. why would i watch coco when i could just go watch like, vinny or something if you occupy the same sort of English Streamer space

[Anonymous No.]

>>17589542
>the Taiwanese
The KMT*
Most Taiwanese are pro-independence now. It's even become a popular trend for zoomers to deface their passports by hiding the 'Republic of China' name and the KMT's symbol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17599188
>watch coco
>english streamer
So you've never actualky watched her and are just talking out of clipnigger sentiment?
95% of her streams are jp. You can't understand almost any of it as an eop.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17599257
ya that's right authoritarianism fucking whips ass death to america glory to the cpc etc etc

boring streamer ur not convincing me fuckboy

[Anonymous No.]

>>17599408
Lol gotchu

[Anonymous No.]

>>17557716
the reason this board exists. so the worst thing to happen to vtubing ever.

[Anonymous No.]

The most superchatted holo

[Anonymous No.]

IT'S ALL FUCKING /pol/

[Anonymous No.]

She was 'created' specifically to appeal to ENtards and she did that well, she just didn't realize that her brand of liberal shithole city inspired 'americanism' would get her into massive trouble anywhere in any country where deliberately being a degenerate cunt was frowned upon. An aside, when asians in america say they 'can't go back because there's no freedom' like george takai when he's being an elderly buttfucking degenerate, what they actually mean is that the america they hate so much is the only country which halfway tolerates their miserable gross existence and in asia they'd just be homeless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17609427
What the fuck is this post even?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17610251
chink who overdosed on copium

[Anonymous No.]

>>17557716
Most unique member for sure. There's no one like her to fill the void.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17599229
*GMD

[Anonymous No.]

>>17557716
>She bullied Yagoo and rekt his idol dreams.
>Brought in alot of EN viewers and showed the EN branch to be viable.
>Was good towards her genmates and Hololive in general.
>Took collabs and ran with it.
>Streaming antics were amusing most of the time.
>Memes and reviewers brought more people to Hololive, even if they are reddit.
>Stood up for her friend, even when it was the dumb thing to do.

As a businesswoman and friend, yeah she was great. She knew what would sell and bring in viewers.

As an entertainer? Decent. Her singing sucks but she loves doing it and so makes it bearable for 5-10 mins at a time

[Anonymous No.]

>>17581352
Current chip shortage would be a joke if Taiwan actually got invaded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17557883
>traitor
You just outed yourself zhang

[Anonymous No.]

>>17557716
Without her we wouldn't have EN, reddit. In other words hololive would be a paradise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17557716
Nothing to complain about. I only ever watched clips of her and never caught a stream because her stuff came across as something aimed at viewers younger than myself

[Anonymous No.]

>>17560781
>Just reads a statistic
>Bugmen go apeshit and make a huge fuss about it
>But its Coco's fault in the end

[Anonymous No.]

The only bitch I will kneel in life besides my mother. Without her, EN wouldn't be a thing, which means no Ame.

Truly the best of her own

[Anonymous No.]

>>17612591
>paradise
You mean,
Irrelevant, 2view company under Chinese rule.

[Anonymous No.]

Yagoo used her as a siege dragon to breakthrough the EN market and briding then to JP. So... yep GOAT.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17558131
>first
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pid5tfoOy8

[Anonymous No.]

>>17557716
She was very hard working but I never really liked her content and she brought Reddit swarm into Hololive so no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17616631
A year later and EN is a zombie. In one more year it will be a dead branch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17585118
Wasn't that watame?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17557883
hating on the chinamen is not "being political", just being decent

[Anonymous No.]

>>17557716
well, she still pretty good a living rent free on your head