Parasocial relationships

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ITT we post superchat donators that have lost their dignity, superchats that make you feel bad of even being part of this community, superchats that make you question both how retarded this community can be and how disgusting of a business model this can become in the near future.

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>muh parasocial relationships
Let me guess, you also "ironically" have a waifu?

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cope and seethe incel

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>>1924880
>how disgusting of a business model this can become in the near future.
We’re already there

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>>1924880
>one of the watamelon posters is a former mafiya hitman

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>>1924880
>read the message
>"psh no way that's real"
>see RUB
Oh...

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>>1924880
>tfw the people making sure everyone votes Putin watch Hololive

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>watch indie
>funny commentary, has a personality, enjoys what they do
>send supacha to support and say hey I like your content keep it up
>they try to acknowledge me beyond "hey thanks for the supacha"
Reverse parasocial relationship from smaller streamers is more awkward I'd say

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WHY DO ALL OF THEM SEND TO WATAME

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>>1925625
communist apocalypse believers are some of the most retarded posters I've seen
kill yourself turbovirgin

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>>1925398
What are you implying, that parasocial relationships aren't real? It's literally just another term for e-thot simping. You think the cucks that throw money at Pokimane or Alinity aren't trapped by parasocial relationships?

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>>1925528
>one
Membersheep is full of monsters that use Watame to keep Mr. Hyde away. There will be a noticeable rise in violent crime worldwide if something bad ever happens to their therapy sheep.

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>>1925398
what the fuck do you call it then?

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One of the worst ones I've seen. and he's enabled by the streamer because the parasocial goes both ways

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>>1925398
Just another word that completely loses meaning once retards get hold of it. This one is amusing to me because it was a term I knew from a long while ago because of my uni, so its funny when the bitches come barking.

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>>1924880

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>>1924880
How can I learn to write such soulful superchats?
I can hardly manage a "congrats" or a "nice stream ty"

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>>1935952
He seems legit, Ame should go for it.

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>>1936680
Say you wanna smell their cunt, women always appreciate that.

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I wonder if they laugh at the superchats in private and screenshot the worst ones to send to each other.

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>>1925398
Speak English.

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>>1935952
Ame ignored all of these too lmao

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>>1935952
Being a man hurts more than having a period.

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>>1926491
Africats general has been having to deal with this bastard for awhile. He's gotten really bad, even moreso than the OTHER goober we've been dealing with.

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>Sigmund Freud donates €500
>You remind me of my mother

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>>1937380
Yeah I know, for a while too it seemed like the other guy was the bigger issue and T was just another weird guy to block and not worry about. But in the last week or so the places swapped and T is going all in on the creepy.

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>>1925486
You've got Rushia making mad dosh from mentally manipulating men into thinking she's their perfect possessive gf and Coco creating a culture based around giving donations

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>>1938010
>parasocial findom
Some dark truths waiting to be discovered about the human condition down that road

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I think it's perfectly acceptable to say that a vtubers streams have helped you through hard times and that you appreciate them, I'm sure most vtubers are happy to hear they could help make someone else happy. However when you get to the point where you type a whole sob story and expect them to read it and pity your life you're fucking retarded.

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>>1940294
Perfect take.

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>>1926491
>>1937380
good side of this is that the chat is small enough so anons can dunk on him in chat and it looks like the reprimands have wide-spread support. it is not being done enough though, it should be systematic.

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This has been a massive problem for a while even outside of the Vtuber community.
Many large streamers on twitch for example will constantly get people donating hundreds of dollars at a time despite the streamer in question already being fairly rich simple because they want the dopamine rush of their name being on the screen.
Also if you are going to use donating as a way to depression post, just don't, nobody wants to hear it.

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>>1924880
Dignity is overrated

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>>1924880
lmao stop trying to make yourself less of a retard.
If you superchat vtubers for any reason whatsoever you are just as bad as that guy.

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>>1940991
>don't donate guys we have plenty of money
>donations still open
Someone explain what this to me. I can't quite figure it out.

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>>1941661
Trying to make yourself look humble + reverse psychology.

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It's impossible to watch the friend simulator for years and not feel like you have a personal connection with them. The wires are all crossed up. The chance at reciprocation is worth any amount of money.

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>>1924880
Why do people have to make things awkward. Can't they just not do things like this.

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>>1941661
They just don't want money from people that can't afford it. If dropping $100 makes a significant impact on someone's bottom line, they shouldn't do it, and lots of streamers don't want to see their fans negatively affect themselves that way. But if someone has lots of disposable income then who cares if they donate? It doesn't negatively impact the donator, and the streamer can continue having a job and employing other people (lots of top streamers do have other employees).

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>>1937223
I know other streamers that do that so I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

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Do the Japanese superchats contain this kind of cringe or is this just contained to the English speaking world?

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>>1937241
Good

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Waiting for the day when one vtuber plainly states they won't read and will refund depression superchats so we can all move on and have a good time instead

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>>1943882
They should be even worse, I guess.

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>>1943960
There will always be someone that will accept the money. If a vtuber rejects the donation them all that will happen is they'll convert a mentally unhinged fan into a mentally unhinged anti, who will then SC the money to a different streamer. The best way to handle it is for the streamer to just ignore them.

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>>1943960
Why would they though?
I guess, these mentally unstable people make the substantial part of their income?

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>>1944029
While I know you are right, I wish you were not

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I remember watching South Park episode called "Freemium isn't free" where they stated that gachas get most money not from masses of moderate gamers but from a small percent of addicts. It may be an exaggeration, but still holds some truth in it.
Don't streamers actually use the same scheme?

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>>1943987
Yeah but don't they have the decency to keep it to themselves and just suicide?

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This based schizo just sent Coco 350000 yen in akasupas.

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>>1946744
If I had that much money to spare I would send someone the GNU/Linux interjection copypasta.

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>>1946744
This is why restrictions on streaming donations WILL happen

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>>1943882
Kanjis let people fit more words into the character limit so they can write even more bullshit.
Just check out Watame superchat reading.

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>>1947075
There are restrictions.
He used 7 different accounts to bypass the limits.

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>>1947173
I meant on the legal side or harsher ones. Govts are starting to notice people funneling their entire bank accounts into streamers or gacha

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>>1941661
Because there are also people who get paid good money to sit around all day at "work" and watch vtubers.

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>>1943780
This.

Every once in a while it seems like some kid is using his birthday money to donate or some guy can barely keep the lights on just donates 100 and it's like the streamer isn't doing anything wrong by having a dono button but holy shit this isn't what it's for.

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>>1944215
Well, one well-paid webdev can donate like $50 per stream without breaking a sweat and take the place of ten $5 construction workers.

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>>1947404
Casino's are a thing. If anything, Govts may soon slap on regulations to gacha. But not to streamers.

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>>1947404
As far as the US goes, the government doesn't care as long as all the relevant parties are paying their taxes. I mean, I guess at some point a state could make an argument for sales tax but considering you're not receiving anything in exchange for your superchat it's not really a sale of any kind. The only people that would need to be concerned are the indie vtubers that don't file or misreport their taxes.

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>>1946744
>350000 yen
that's like 20 bucks right?

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>>1949477
$3200 USD. You can roughly estimate Yen to USD by just moving the decimal to the left two places.

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>>1941661
its bs to make themselves look good in the hopes they will get more donos
>>1947075
>i dont understand how the world works

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>>1949477
You wish.

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>>1949835
>Missed a zero
Should be $3193 then.

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>>1949477
25*

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>>1925722
its honestly kind of uncomfortable how every single comment they see basically gets a response, but its much more fun of a "friend simulator". ive had fun times with some smaller gatcha youtubers talking about random shit and getting them to tell wacky anecdotes

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>>1946744
jesus, how can i learn this power to mind break my viewers this hard?

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>>1951985
Become a cute anime girl

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>>1947404
>Govts are starting to notice people funneling their entire bank accounts into streamers or gacha
being a retard is not a crime

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>>1944215
Yes for the super chat/gift sub side, but I don't think that's as much the case for overall picture of the bigger streamers due to the sheer number of memberships/subscriptions.

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>>1941661
The context of the tweet is this. One of his peers, Ludwig, hosted a subathon, where every subscriber adds 10 or so seconds to a clock for how long he will stream. So many people subbed/gifted subs that he has been streaming for over a week, can barely talk to his gf, has to ban people who donate too much, etc. The guy in the screenshot was criticizing Ludwig for hosting a subathon because he's already a millionaire.

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>>1925398
When someone uses this phrase I always think they have watched too many youtube video essays.

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>>1946744

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Kek these comments are fucking sad. I sent Coco 15 bucks once and she responded to my comment.
And here’s these retards blowing 1,000s to get ignored

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>>1953478
It makes sense to everyone who even tries to put themselves in the streamer's shoes. Would you rather waste 20+ minutes of everyone's time reading some schizo's sob story from 5+ different superchats and bringing the mood down or a quick "Hey Coco I love the streams! Can I sniff your cunt?" superchat?

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>>1953815
Those superchats aren't meant to be read on stream anonchama... they sent them on the waiting room of the stream.

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>>1953884
The Coco rainbows maybe but there are spergs sending aka chains like that in normal streams.

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>>1924880
reminder that these go both ways

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>>1955161
Lol no

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Why would anyone post something like that? Don't they realize the pressure they put on the person behind the vtuber?

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I wish I could laugh, but I'm in love with a girl who does ASMR.

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>>1957901
Oh anon... at least from holoJP there's a bunch of holos who are genuinely addicted to streaming and interacting with their chat.
Pekora has talked about it multiple times, Watame cries on nearly every superchat reading and spends unhealthy amounts of hours streaming minecraft all night and sleeping during the day, Coco's life is basically streaming all the time in both of her accounts regardless of the view numbers, she'll stream Minecraft for 8k viewers and then stream 4 hours of ark on mildom for 300 viewers, Flare streams almost every single day countless hours, Miko streams all day.

Saying it doesn't go both ways is clearly wrong, Rushia is another holo that has an unhealthy obsession with her chat.

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>>1958017
>the pressure
Lol. Have you ever worked in a customer support job? You learn to instantly ignore 99.99% of sob stories, scams, and schizos. For vtubers its the same, after you’ve seen a pathetic comment once you’ve seen it a thousand times.
Thats why certain celebrities turn out to be based. They have the pattern-recognition skills of someone who has to deal with the public on a daily basis and the fuck-you money to speak their mind to any literal who that makes a comment. You cant do that if you're a vtuber but they obviously learn to tune this kind of stuff out each day otherwise they’d all be batshit crazy by now

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>>1937351

Being a retard, more like.

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>>1947404

yeah, governments are constantly looking for ways to reduce their tax revenues

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>>1937241
what, she should of read them and laughed at him.

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HOW DO I MAKE IT SO THEY CANT JUST IGNORE ME

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>>1959146
10$ - 20$ donation during a low activity part of the stream, 2 lines long top.

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>>1924880
>giving money to strangers on the internet

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>>1937426
Lol

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>>1959146
What
>>1959358
Said

A Medium sized superchat that is less than 30 words at a time when nobody is sending chats.

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>>1951985
Stop it, Kiara.

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>>1925938
meds

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>>1924880
I kinda wanna know more about this Guy's story, the Idea of of such a tragic russian Mafia man trying to go Legit because of his anime waifu sounds immensely interesting.
on another note I don't really care for People's tragic backstories unless it could make for a badass premise for a story

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>>1925884
Watame is a nice girl

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>>1971377
That's exactly why she doesn't deserve this shit though.

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>>1941867
This.

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>>1946744
I feel bad for these people.

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>>1943882
absolutely
>>1945020
some of the things Lamy gets are from people who are clearly fucked in the head

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>>1972511
Audience reflects the streamer, no relationship with her father explains it all.

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>>1940991
>massive problem for a while
for a while?? lol since the beginning, churches all over the US offers you salvation and spiritual relief, in exchange for your donations, is a profitable business, people now has replaced a vtuber for the cross

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>>1947075
no, just more taxes

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>>1952172
>Become a cute anime girl
that is a lie, there are hundreds of them, only a handful of hololive get this

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>>1935952
>I love you deeper than love can go;osdjfgpog from joah
did he have a stroke?

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>>1978110
Because they're really good at what they do. There is a massive power gap between the Hololive talent and the average vtuber. To make fair comparisons you need to look at other top vtubers like the ones in VShojo. I can't even imagine what the weirdest shit Projekt Melody must have seen on Chaturbate is.

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>>1924880
>>1969119
unless this guy is in his mid 40's he's lying about the mafia part, the mafia was only rampant until 2000

t. ruski

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>>1952255
Yeah but tax evasion is.

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t. Only watch Suisei from Hololive. How often do these actually happen? I can understand small streamers farming superchat money if they don't have any other source of revenue, but why do some streamers still encourage viewer "abuse", for lack of a better word? Or better yet why waste time with superchat readings? I can't imagine making >200k a year and still having to spend hours a week just reading donations and dealing with people telling you their life story for no reason and don't even expect a response.

>>1943960
Some already do though, albeit through a different platform. Usually I see Japanese sob stories sent through marshmallows, nearly 3 years of watching and I've never seen one of these live.

https://twitter.com/g9v9g_mirei/status/1375140144672501764
Mirei's been telling people off for giving these kind's of marshmallows for forever, yet people still constantly send them just because she's a teacher.

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>>1983059
because more money is always good

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I'm waiting for someone to donate all his life savings and say he's going to kill himself. I wonder if this would even be possible to refund.

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I bet hololive doesn't let the streamers tell their viewers NOT to donate. I hope that changes soon, because it's obvious a good amount of the girls aren't comfortable with some of the 'transactions' -- because that's what they sometimes are. Instead of using it to donate you're using it to derail the stream; it's one thing to thank them in your message via mentioning your life, get off your chest that desire to make them feel better via knowing their impact on you, another to think you'll actually get something out of it, like them reading your fucking lifestory or sending you a message after the stream. When you're dumping a burden on their shoulders is when you've entered gray territory and seriously need to either stop, moderate yourself, or think about the message before sending it.

Yes, sometimes there's time where it's appropriate, where stream and streamer are okay with engaging in such content as hearing how the streamer has helped you, but don't fucking dump it on them while they're having a good time. Do it on the end of stream superchat reading session, and use some common sense -- if you wouldn't feel comfortable saying it to a stranger who helped you out don't say it to them.

I just wanted to say this because there's a difference between the human desire of someone making a card/present for the recipient to know they've made a difference in their life, like a good coworker, friend, boss, etc, and the human element of manipulation or emotional dumping. Ask yourself if it's about you, pity party or whatever else, or if it's about celebrating the streamer.

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>>1953229
that's literally the term, though. what are you even mad about.

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>>1983914
They'll just ignore it, like they ignore every asshole that sends superchats blackmailing them to be real friends because they are depressed and suicidal.

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>>1925398
I really hate people who use the term parasocial because they think it makes them look smart.

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>>1984644
why are you ascribing the motive of "they think it makes them look smart" to these people?

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>>1984344
Many hologirls literally tell their chat to save their money.

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>>1978948
why is a 40 year old watching vtubers at all unrealistic?

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>>1984344
>Ibet hololive doesn't let the streamers tell their viewers NOT to donate.

Matsuri has actually done this before the day after her audience donated like $50,000 for her to roll gacha in apex she had SC turned off for a day or two.

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>>1978807
There's a reason the words melody and wholesome show up much in the same post.

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>>1981936
That would only be a problem for incredibly stupid indie vtubers, who aren't getting showered with superchats to begin with. Larger indies and especially those with an agency all will have accountants. They're not exactly expensive.

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>>1984344
you're preaching to the choir here, donating a sob story in the middle of a fun time is something that happens to all big(ish) streamers. they'll never see anything wrong with it. it's a form of self-centeredness

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>>1984785
Their life values are too different.
You'll find yourself shifting your preferences and views the older you get.

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>>1978948
Is the mafia prevalent elsewhere? Maybe he's Albanian or something.

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yeah this is whole issue has been gestating for a while in modern society, first it was streamers and lets's players and now it's v-tubers, some people even get invested emotionally with random artists on twitter and comission hundreds of dollars just to interact with someone. It's a sign of the times and there's little to do about it. Hell im even of the mind we have not seen the worst of parasocial relationships yet.

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>>1989268
RUB = roubles though.

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>>1978948
Makes me wonder which chuuba has the most hardened criminals as fans.

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>>1983059
>t. Only watch Suisei from Hololive.
I KNOW WHO SUISEI IS GODDAMN IT

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>>1978948
I heard Russian mafia is one of the more successful ones and that you can find them far away from their motherland.

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>>1984344
Amelia quite regularly turns off her superchat and tells her chat to shove it if they dont like it.

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>>1941661
Vinny Vinesauce is one of the few who actually stopped taking donations altogether which is quite honestly amazing

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Yes I have a parasocial relationship with my oshi, and yes she has a parasocial relationship with the audience. But no, if it all disapeared tomorrow besides a week of sad and the memories no one would have more trouble, you faggots make it look way worse than it is for most people, it makes me happy and she's happy with this shit too.

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>>1990790
You guys can both be mentally ill together. How sweet.

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>>1990636
Maybe it's based on the manager's and the holo's income? I know some who dislike some of the stupid shit they get but let it happen. I think it's different for someone near the bottom turning super's off vs someone raking it in like Coco turning super's off.

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>>1990940
right? do you have something like that anon?

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>>1990950
Honestly I doubt this, I'm sure its very hands off approach. Now if Amelia was doing half of her streams with no superchat on shed probably get a talking to.

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>>1991124
I kinda doubt it myself but I can't think of many reasons why some do it but not others. Maybe it's just a taboo? Maybe a taboo broken only when you're raking it in? I'm sure some of them think they're obligated to put up with all the shit that gets dumped on them. I'd be spending every stream saying "don't donate if you need your money -- it's a donation, not a service fee" but I'm 99% sure Cover wouldn't want to hire someone like that. So maybe a self selecting bias where those who get in are more likely to put up with it?

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>>1990940
He's better off being happy than you are being unhappy that people are happy.

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>>1990961
I’m ashamed to admit it, but yes. I have an unhealthy obsession with my oshi and get the biggest rush of dopamine every time she reads one of my messages in chat or laughs while reading one of my supachats. If I don’t hear from her for a while, I genuinely get worried, sometimes to the point where I’ll feel physically ill. It feels wrong, but I can’t help but become irritated and hurt if she’s giving attention to a male one-on-one. Deep down, I know that this parasocial relationship is built on falsehoods and a desperate desire to fulfill our own selfish needs, i.e. money and/or social contact. I know that this relationship is fleeting and that it’ll disappear one day, neither of us knowing who the real person behind the screen was. I know that we’ll become nothing more than distant memories to each other someday. It’s a bittersweet feeling but I try to live in the moment.

>>1991815
Fuck off

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>>1994003
Carl was halarious
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9lqbILbWs8

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Carl is pretty based
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9lqbILbWs8

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>>1927163
"Parasocial interaction (PSI) refers to a kind of psychological relationship experienced by an audience in their mediated encounters with performers in the mass media, particularly on television.[1][2] Viewers or listeners come to consider media personalities as friends, despite having limited interactions with them. PSI is described as an illusionary experience, such that media audiences interact with personas (e.g., talk show hosts, celebrities, fictional characters, social media influencers) as if they are engaged in a reciprocal relationship with them."

It is used correctly in this context, thinking a Vtuber is your friend or that you know them personally because you watch their personas on stream is what a parasocial relationship is by definition

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>>1990397
It's probably a cheap way of sending an akasupa without actually paying all that much, RUB is in the ground just like ARS.

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>>1991815
Something making you happy does not mean it is good for you

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>>1946744
He's called Gachikoi not Schizophrenic you fucking newshit

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>>1996292
Bruh moment indeed

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>>1991124
Amelia forgot and left her SCs turned off for the priconne shill stream because her last game was LA Noire and her manager turned it on for her. So they can do that too.

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>>1991434
Mori used to say this every stream for her first few streams because she couldn't believe how much she was getting and the paypigs took it as incentive to donate more and /hlgg/ was calling it manipulative. After a while they realize saying such things is useless or sometimes worse than useless. Better not to mention it at all.

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>>1996292
Pathetic. Guessing this is from a DBD stream?

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>>1997615
terraria.

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>>1997664
Even worse.

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>>1984644
It's literally the fucking word for it

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>>1984644
There is one word to describe your relation to these voice actresses and it’s parasocial

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>>1945020
Nope Toko has had to deal with a large amount of this shit. Suicidal fuck come to her a lot.

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>>1958088
>Rushia is another holo that has an unhealthy obsession with her chat.

And her mental health is in the dumpster for it.

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>>1926137
Idolisation, glorification etc

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>>1994516
>thinking a Vtuber is your friend or that you know them personally because you watch their personas on stream
what if I don't do that

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>>1994516
I've found out with small indies that this really doesn't apply much. You spend most of their stream talking with just them, sometimes 2~3 other chatters in the stream of 10~15 viewers at most. You're in their discord to talk about stuff after the stream, about life, you do watchalong on there too. At this point the difference with an online friend is very thin.

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>>1998404
>For it
Rushia has always been a menhera, if anything her chat helps her deal with those days where she wakes up and wants to kill herself.

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I know I'd rather have a bunch of schizos in my chat actually interacting with me instead of the alternative, which just makes it tiresome and makes you want to just move to videos. I'll literally never have to worry about the kinds of crazy people Vtubers attract (I don't have a vagina and male Vtubers don't get schizos), and I know the local sheriff, so I'm not exactly afraid of what they could do.

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>>2004762
>I know the local sheriff, so I'm not exactly afraid of what they could do.
So them just stabbing you, shooting you, or burning down your home isn't a worry because you know a sheriff? Cool that you have that piece of mind. I know a sheriff and a judge. Didn't really stop some drunk asshole who had a grudge with my dad from trying to burn our house down in the middle of the night. Knowing people doesn't do much help if someone just stalks you then shivs you while you're pumping gas.

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>>2005608
Like I said, Holostars and Niji males never have schizos, since we never see the schizo supas on here. They'd be the most likely to out of the chuubas with dicks. Since they don't, it's mostly a female problem. Schizos seem to mostly flock to FemChuubas.

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>>2002511
Nah, it’s a well performed act. She actually seems to be a fairly “normal” girl irl. Matsuri and probably Polka are in a worse state of mind right now.

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>>1953133
>can barely talk to his gf
based

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>>1953229
I hate video essays

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>>1971377
For you.

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>>1971771
Welcome to the internet anon. Faggots and narcissists ruin everything.
>>2005900
I also believe that Rushia is pretty normal and just plays a clever act for the spacha shekels. Not sure about Polka but I would bet money on a Matsuri suicide at some point.
>>1984644
The widespread use of the word is pretty obnoxious but it's just putting a name to a phenomenon about which people have very specifically been complaining in past years. Personally I don't see anything wrong with it. It's not like when someone says that pedos should be killed and people start saying Is hE a PsYcHoPaTh?

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>>1952255
I've seen shit like this happen time and time again and it always ends up being the government's or some regulatory agency's fault for not knowing better letting grown ass men be stupid with their money.

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>>1996292
2k is nothing what a fucking loser

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>>2004762
>and male Vtubers don't get schizos

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>calli's birthday and a cd coming out this week
this is gonna make that guy that dropped 3k on coco look normal isn't it?

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>>2006670
Based Apex vampire shota milking some dumb broad of all her income

Fucking harmless and it won't go beyond that

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>>2005759
I think we'd see more schizos if the male ones actually pandered their avatar to those fetishes more. What I usually see with male ones, is Generic Ichigo Kurosaki looking ones, Tough Yakuza looking characters, Drag Queens with deep voices; Female avatars with deep male voices or Effeminate Gay voices.

I've yet to see ones that actually fill that moe gap. It's still not going to be as popular as girl ones. Like if there were a shota one I think it would do better than most of the male ones we've seen.

The other issue is also that guys seem to have no real range for changing their voice, or sticking with a character as well as girls do. It more just turns into a monotone chat. It's fine if you want to just use a normal voice, but for the love of god emote. It's like they've never seen popular lets players in their lives; and more just play like they would in private.

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>>1984644
Honestly this is the first time I've heard the word. Just sounds like a way to sound smarter than saying living by proxy; which is the term I've been familiar with.

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>>2006884
If you ever encounter any twitch drama discussions the word flies everywhere. Seems like most people have either barely heard the word before or heard it almost ad nauseum.

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>>2001818
then this thread isn't about you. what the fuck are you trying to get at

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>>1946744
Yakuza money laundering operation?

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>>1944215
> it may be an exaggeration
It’s not. Whales are the main source of income for that business model.

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>>2006777
>Kuzuha
>shota
Are you fucking blind?

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>>1949477
The yen is roughly close to the American penny.

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>>1994516
It's a meme term because it's so vague and broad that it becomes meaningless. You ever meet someone who calls everything a social construct? This is that but for interactions with media. The more you interact with humanities faggots the more you notice their tendency to latch on to fad descriptors like this.

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>>1953478
You honestly don't even need to spend money to get Coco to notice your comment.

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>>2007296
I don't watch him and he looks like a stereotypical shota to me man

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>>1947404
The government would get more taxes off of donations than simple purchases, they have no reason to want to stop it.

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>>1949477
generally speaking you can just add a decimal in front of the last two digits to convert from yen to usd

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>>1994818
i highly doubt this person is smart enough to even think ahead like that, nonetheless know how to exchange money online

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>>2007371
What's wrong with someone using the right term for something? Is it just because it's not the one you're used to?

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you guys are incredibly cruel
although I'm pretty sure a lot of you understand how depression actually feels
I don't care either about the money I'm spending or that I'm pressuring and being unpleasant towards a person important to me

t. depressionfag who funneled close to 1000 pounds to my oshi

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>>2007739
>I don't care either that I'm pressuring and being unpleasant towards a person important to me
That's a lot more cruel than pretty much everything else in this thread.

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>>1924880
Everything in your post except replace "superchat donators" with vtuber fans

>>>/vt/

You guys really are an embarrassment most times.

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>>2006960
>twitch drama
probably why I haven't seen it. Anyone I watch on twitch usually has less than 1k viewers in chat. When you start getting past 2k viewers chat just becomes too retarded fast to keep up with even with slow mode. With many of the hololive ones superchats for discussion are about the only way they'll see your comment anymore. Many of those even get ignored anymore for superchat day readings. The only time where a normal comment of mine seemed to get noticed is when I asked Gura to sing the Guilty Crown op and she said she didn't know it.

Most Twitch sub 1k view streams are usually comfy from what I've been in. Smaller groups more chat interaction with the vtuber. They'll react to something aside from just donations; but will react about immediately to any donation. Youtube with hololive feels a lot less personal and more sterile I guess would be a how to describe it. The holos who actually aren't doing well enough with numbers though lack enough social skills to be engaging.

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>>2007830
yes it is
there's no good solution

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>>2007739
I have depression. I get the idea of anything to give you a moment of endorphins. Though at this point you've fallen into an addict. I know human interaction is hard; I isolate myself all the time. Though get help, your oshi wouldn't be happy if they knew you were putting that much money into them because of your depression.

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>>1924880
one day these guys will come to 4chan and decide to not superchat anymore
Your oshi will start gradution one by one because no income
Believe or not, these faggot feed your oshi
not (You), you dont pay
Right? 4chan

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>>2008080
thank you man
I'm fine, really, I don't want to get better even if I 'qualify' for depression by normie standards. I find the idea of donating a significant part of my income to a girl I like fascinating. Also, the argument of 'she would or wouldn't be happy' isn't really valid because, let's be honest, she doesn't care much either way.

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>>2007941
The key is to use the positive energy you get from throwing money away to doing your IRL reps so you can ween yourself off of the behavior.

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>>2008120
Never paid never will
I got actual internet friends

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>>2008120
only holoEN will graduate
2ch havent kind of /thread

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>>2007739
hey, that's the same as i've spent! but i never send manipulative messages with mine. usually i make them blank or say "hi gura" or some dumb non sequitur.

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>>2007941
You know, someone wrote a book about 4chan once and its title is definitely something that would be a good solution.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1953133
Mad respect for not giving in and keeping it going. Hopefully, he doesn't die.

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>>2008571
there will be normies as long as there will be society
and there will be society as long as you can't count the number of people on your hands

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>>2008823
based concern chad

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>>2009155
>wink
Fuck this bothers me.

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>>2010047
he was like that constantly for a month. that's only a small sample of his output.

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>>1989451
>It's a sign of the times
Courtly love would like to talk to you. Hell, you can argue that the underlying psychology of parasocial relationships (the desire and fixation on the ideal relationship or partner instead of a real one) dates as far back as ancient Greece- Pygmalion and Galatea is about a goddess trying to make a man obsessed with the beauty of a statue happy by making the statue come to life, but the real-ness of Galatea prevents Pygmalion from being happy.

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>>2010224
>Courtly love would like to talk to you.
No I took my meds, no more hearing things that aren't there

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>>2007739
>you guys are incredibly cruel
If anything vicious mockery of gachikoi retards is doing them a favor, maybe they'll realize their addiction is stupid and stop/get help. Enabling/excusing it is ultimately worse.

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>>2007832
>>>/vt/
>on /vt/
what the FUCK did anonymous mean by this shit

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>>2010537
this has some aged parts

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>>1989451
>Hell im even of the mind we have not seen the worst of parasocial relationships yet.
kek my dude wake me up when a simp tries to assassinate the president because his oshi commanded it telepathically.

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>>1938010
>You've got Rushia making mad dosh from mentally manipulating men into thinking she's their perfect possessive gf
You mean she’s playing a character that her audience enjoys, oh nooooo
>Coco creating a culture based around giving donations
just wait until you find out about patreon

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Can I just say, I'm glad simping is still looked over with cringe eyes.
My biggest fear about this board would be that donating all your savings to someone who doesn't even know you exist, expecting to be your girlfriend would be encouraged or even there would be competitive threads about who donated more, american-psycho-card-scene-style.

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>>2010798
This, obviously the content model relies on people giving money, but it's fun, giving money isn't required, and the paypigs who blow their life savings on it have no one to blame but themselves. Literal casinos are also fun for sane, normal people and there's no need to ruin said fun for everyone just because a few people take it way too far and lose their grip on reality.

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>>2007739
She will never know you exist.

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>>2010955
>donating all your savings to someone who doesn't even know you exist
That would only happen if you invest poorly and try to buy in when other buyers are already flooding her market with SC's. You've got to get in on the ground floor, invest when she's cheap.

BTW does streamlabs have a daily limit like superchats do?

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>>2010955
Bryce's card is the best

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>>2010955
Looking back, Patrick's card was pretty meh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2010955
First time here? May as well worry about /b/ going SFW, /jp/ going anti-loli, /pol/ supporting Israel and /v/ playing video games.

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>>2010955
>donating all your savings to someone who doesn't even know you exist, expecting to be your girlfriend would be encouraged or even there would be competitive threads about who donated more
You want 2chan for that.

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>>2007845
There's definitely a 'sweet spot' in viewer count though.

There's one artist I used to follow who had great manic gremlin energy. She'd work on emote/panel commissions whilst listening to 90/00's rock and punk, and sometimes spaz out and hammer away a drum solo on the desk, or go on some wild tangent.

But she only had a 15 person viewcount, and it's always only around 10% interact. So you post something, come back five minutes later, and it's still on-screen.

Then you go for the huge ones, either HL on YT or VS on Twitch, and chat moves at lightning speed, so nobody has any hope of seeing what you posted, and it's just mindlessly screaming into the void.

The 'Goldilocks zone' means that there's interaction with chat even if you're not taking part, or you can join in.

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>>2011171
Yeah I just find it harder to be involved in the bigger ones. Too many pay pigs to compete with. Best comparison I can think of is strip clubs. Go to a high end one in the city. Girls are hotter, but tables are full of guys throwing money and the girls are only paying attention to the people with the biggest wads. Go out to the sticks though and find a club. It's not always the greatest girls, but you'll at least get attention when you're one of a handful of people in there.

Though with twitch there is that comfort zone. I mean it's good when there are people chatting. Because when it's just like 5 people in chat it can get awkward. Also I feel more compelled to give money when it's a small group. It's like listening to a street performer. You can more get by without doing it if there are a group of people standing around throwing money in their hat. Though you're kinda a dick if you listen to a set and don't throw anything in.

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>>2009155
There was a similar guy in botans chat for several streams , more of a coomer variety tho

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>>2011171
>chat moves at lightning speed, so nobody has any hope of seeing what you posted, and it's just mindlessly screaming into the void
You're missing the point of huge, fast-moving chats; at that size and speed it's no longer about any individual message, but the overall reaction of "chat" as a whole. The chuuba may never see your specific 草、やべ、etc., but she can see that chat as a whole is saying that, which in turn contributes to the atmosphere of the stream. It's still interactive, just in a less personalized way.

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>>1947050
I've never donated to a vtuber before but now I kind of want to just to make them read this on stream

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>>2012109
I've seen someone send part of it as a SC before. It's retarded don't do it.

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>>2010955
Sorry pal.
I love Gura and I've donated most of my savings to her. And nothing will stop me from supporting my oshi with my hard-earned cash.
It's so satisfying knowing just one of my dollars went into buying her a big fulfilling meal.
I'm a S(hr)imp for life and proud.

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>>2010955
every one of them spelled "acquisitions" wrong

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>>2017654
If true I unironically hope you get help or failing that get driven to a point where you literally cannot simp without losing electricity or going hungry

[Anonymous No.]

>>2010719
I'm just waiting for some Psycho Pass type shit where some wacko kills his oshi. It's only a matter of time

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>>2022015
you are a gossiping mother. everybody in this thread is a gossiping mother. Go outside. Watch a fucking stream.

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>>1989451
>streamers and lets's players and now it's v-tubers
I'd say they're actually less susceptible to it due to the degree of separation of having a virtual avatar, but ultimately with any online creator you can only do so much to keep people from getting too attached.

>>2022015
Honestly, I really have a bad feeling it will actually happen and shake up the industry entirely. It'd probably hit the mainstream news before the existence of virtual youtubers did. At least it'd be fun to post about.

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I wish I could give my oshi even a 5th of some of these Akas I see, ill get a job for her one day

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>>2011427
Thats why africat was so good. Now its a bit to fast paced for my tastes and havent watched her in a while because of that.

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>>2022161
Based

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>>1935952
oh shit this was me, I had some extra cash from a bonus and was alittle tipsy so I let loose.

yes I'm retarded and should kms it was just a joke

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>>1926491
/wvt/ is always the worst when it comes to fags like this

Anyone else remember the Bayes drama? He was being cringe as fuck that time

[Anonymous No.]

>>2010719
Coco and Chammers china episode nearly had japs lynching some chinks, they did it into some Aqua fanartist I think, literally drove him away back into mainland escaping Japan

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>>2022739
Nigger what???????? If that is actually you, no it’s not a “joke” nigger when you spend hundreds of dollars

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>>2022739
based Schimpf

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>>2022796
yeah in retrospect it was pretty pathetic. sorry for fucking with your oshi boys, it was just me and sone buddys watching ame at the time fucking around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1981936
yeah, and you should commit it

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>>1924880
this one always kills me https://youtu.be/har-tYWmxPY

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>>1937223
I’d be astounded if they didn’t. Wouldn’t you?

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>>2007381
are you sure you know what a shota is?

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>>1953133
Didn't Ludwig donate most of the money?

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>>2028825
What’s there to introspect on? Men like when women are helpless and reliant on a man. Was this ever a debate?

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>>1935952
ahhhhhhhhh

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>>2007739

Cool.Now you are depressed and Poor

[Anonymous No.]

>>2010955
Allen > Patten > Bryce > Bateman

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>>2039996
I'd switch Bryce and Patten but I agree with you on Bateman and Allen.

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>>2040194
Bryce's has a huge blank space at the top, making the whole text vertically off-center. It's as bad as Bateman's, but his is off-center horizontally as well, which is why it ranks the worst.

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>>2022739
Based

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>>2010955
I feel like I'm fine with the 'weird' need to fill that hole in your life with your Oshi, where I draw the line is when you really start spending a large portion of your savings/earnings on your Oshi. Shame on you idiots who do this, I'm sure your Oshi would want you to be happy in as many aspects of life as possible and would rather you make yourself financially stable before handing her some cash. That said, donations aren't inherently bad if done in moderation and accounted for on monthly/yearly budgeting.

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>>2022739
Let me tell you why you like Ame over real women.
it's all one-sided. You take her emotions, whether joy, pain, excitement, fear, etc. and you have to contribute nothing to your fantasy relationship. There are no moments where you have to take responsibility for your actions and no moment where (unless you get stalkerish) she will respond to you with true negativity. I say all this knowing I do the same.

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>>2010537
>Kiara is the best Hololive EN member
fucking cringe
>Lunatios are also based
this is based, though nanora

[Anonymous No.]

>>2028825
Even in hololive name 3 people who explicitly act like a big boobed child with no brain. Even Luna mostly acts mature and just puts on the voice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2005608
Carry a gun, retard

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>>2006820
Don’t post shit like that without a source

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>>2009155
>Loves her
>Only donates $5
If he really loved her he'd liquidate his assets and max out his credit cards to show it. But who am I kidding that would probably still only come out to $5.

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>>2017654
This post brings me so much joy. Just imagining you in 15 years completely destitute, possibly dead from suicide, knowing you threw your entire life away out of a fad for a woman who will never acknowledge your existence, it gives a me reason to continue to get out of bed in the morning. I want to live long enough to see you suffer for your actions. Thank you, anon. Thank you for making my day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2022796
To be fair, he only spent $180. I don't know about him but that's well within the weekly budget of fun money I give myself. The text in those messages is really embarrassing though.

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>>2040999
Same, but I waste it on another addiction, /tg/ cardboard.
I've donated a few times to Kiara, like a total of 50 bucks over the past half year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1925884
Watame has a gift for bringing out bring emotions. She cries very easily in video games especially when family is involved and it's easy to get emotional yourself when you see someone else like that. It just sucks when people send "my wife died" akasupas because that shit genuinely gets to her, brings the mood down and puts everyone in an awkward situation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2040720
I carry a 9mm and have plenty of guns at home. Though not much you can do when someone Ninja's you in public with no warning. Knowing a Sheriff sure as hell does nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2010955
Is this Loss?

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>>2017654
Seek help, that shit is nothing to be proud of my dude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2017654
Are you him?

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>>1994353
Fucking legendary

[Anonymous No.]

Hol up

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>>2028825
Manchildren and womanchildren were made for eachother desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>2007371
its not a fad descriptor, this is something media people came up with themselves since radio and have been studying for decades to find ways to hook in viewers

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>>1958017

>>1958182 is correct

but the sender doesn’t care if the vtuber feels pressure. They’re selfish

[Anonymous No.]

>>1971771
Who deserves it then? At least someone that isn’t an asshole gets money for a change.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1978006
unbelievably insane rrat that I unbelievably fully agree with, wew

[Anonymous No.]

>>2010955
>Lets see paul allens supa

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>>2007739
Well I suffer from clinical depression and I would never send money to my oshi to notice how shit my life is because that's arrogant, selfish, brings down the whole mood and it would make me feel worse to make my oshi worry about me. Doing shit like this makes you worse off emotionally so atleast try to view your oshi streaming times as time to escape from your daily mental anguish, Lord knows it helped me and it would help you too.