/vtwbg/ - VTuber Worldbuilding General

[Anonymous No.]

Stress ball globe edition

Previous: >>20433198

What if your general was not just a general but a nation, devoted to your oshi and their will? Enter this general where the fanbases and generals of /vt/ are reimagined as rival nations fighting bitter battles for the glory of their oshis.

Interactive map:
https://vtwbg.github.io/
Territories map:
https://de.catbox.moe/t1i8xj.jpg
Map with colored and labelled countries
https://files.catbox.moe/4uzmap.png
Map with no borders:
https://de.catbox.moe/ay0pbj.jpg

CURRENT GOAL:
- Follow up on >>20444112
- Add /pyon/ island to the map

>Note that the current map isn't set in stone.
>Greentexts of your generals' lore in /vt/ land are much appreciated.
>Flags made for the region your oshi rules over are also appreciated.

THREAD REP TRIPCODE
>/∞/: !XcNdwMsONs
>/clg/: !!S9vZSg00/Br
>/meat/: !!J7IsvbPoQE1

CLIMATE & TECTONICS POSTS (AIDS LORE/PLACEMENT):
Ocean Currents
https://rentry.org/rvqz9
Weather Systems
https://rentry.org/nnvbx
Climate Analysis
https://rentry.org/zo5ke
Tectonic Plates and their Movements
https://rentry.org/dmkyc
Geologic Provinces
https://rentry.org/ztaf99

FLAG POSTS
https://rentry.org/ah74h

LORE PROMPTS
https://rentry.org/7nt3b

LORE ARCHIVE
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HM_UK-qNKXQgFH-ixcWsCC3oAgBnFrxCKRPXdKiPMwQ/edit?usp=sharing

[Anonymous No.]

Anchor post for any additions to the map/lore. Please reply here for archival purposes.
If you will be using a rentry link, please use
>http://rentry.org/
instead of .co, as the latter is filtered as spam.
Thank you!
Please also report if there's outdated lore in OP!

[Anonymous No.]

Anchor post for issues to be voted on next time.

[Anonymous No.]

CURRENT PROMPTS

>Clothing
What does the average Joe wear daily? Any formal dress impacted by tradition/culture? Fashion being split by class or regional differences? Climate or other fantastical wackery making certain attire a necessity? Paint us a clearer picture of who you'll see walking through the streets!
>Food
What crops do your people grow for consumption? What about the food you import, and from where? Do you have unique delicacies? What's common snacks or meals for the working class, or the rich and powerful? Any food reserved for ritual purposes? How about etiquette when eating? Any special practices during mealtime?
>Entertainment
What kinds of entertainment is popular for your people? How important are they seen as part of life? Do different class people have sufficiently different tastes? How much does the chuuba gods play a role in these entertainments?
>Religion
What religious rituals does your nation have to worship its deities? What's the religious structure look like? What's the official stance on other faiths?
>Alcohol and Drink
what do your people drink and what's is it made from? what sort of culture is there around drinking in your split?

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder to watch out for /who/, they're the ones who start timeloops on technology and territory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20473206
I think that /who/'s land grab over /uuu/, which mind you wasn't approved by a vote before, deserves to have another vote after several threads have voiced their concerns with it and abstaining from the vote.

It was lost in the middle of a massive voting block while it's arguably one of the most pressing issues here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20473376
That works. In that case, these two videos should give a decent overview of the environment of Cfa and Csa on /nasfaqg/.

Cfa: https://youtu.be/FHj71X_k8h0
Csa: https://youtu.be/uk9Fyw2Okyw

The main difference is that Cfa is wet all year, while Csa has a dry summer season (where plants will have to shred their leaves to preserve water, leading to fewer evergreen trees). Fog might be a common feature too.

[Anonymous No.]

Once again

>/clg/ outright says they want to conquer their neighbors, people joke about it
>/inf/ still got called warmongers just for wanting a better defensive navy

>/who/ annexes /uuu/, barely anyone cares
>/inf/ gets called expansionist and aggressive for making /risu/ a protectorate
>/inf/ gives up /risu/ as requested but /who/ gets to keep /uuu/ by popular vote

>/who/ wants trains, faces pushback
>/inf/ says they want trains too, massive timeloop ensues and /who/ blames /inf/ for the initial pushback

This has been, and remains, ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20473617
>restart every timeloop you guys start
>you guys start
We didn't even start this timeloop, that's all on /who/ trying to push for new tech when everyone including /inf/ agreed to no high tier steam shit. This is exactly what I'm talking about, we get blamed for shit we didn't even do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20473611
I'd second this but I'm not sure if only representatives get to do that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20473750
/who/ got pushback on both, stop fucking victimizing yourselves, it's pathetic and anyone with half a brain can see through it.

It also doesn't help your case.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm tired of the /who/-/inf/ loop, and I'm from /inf/. We don't even have any bad blood with them, I don't understand why this keeps happening.
t. Gramps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20473907
>/who/ got pushback on both
/who/ was still allowed to annex /uuu/ even after we held a poll saying the deal should be reverted.
Don't kid yourself if there's a clear bias.
Also I'm just against /who/'s continued attempts to break the game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20473907
I said in the greentext that /who/ faced pushback but they blamed /inf/ for it. Read nigga.

[Anonymous No.]

/inf/ is helping us make roads.....

oh and in case this went buried i wrote this up and already anchored it

>infinity sees risuners with lots of wooden poles and torches
>Here you go. These poles are painted white so you know where the road will be. The torches are in case you intend to work at night. You can do this at your own pace.
>We have also used the same white paint to mark any trees that are to be chopped down. We have already chooped down a few ourselves.
>So far we only have about a quarter of the road marked but we are working on the rest.
>The wood will be evenly distributed. You can use it for your port city and a lot fo it will go to the center hub. A good amount of it will go to our pinisi ships when you teach us how to make those.
>By the way you should know were sending someone to mep to have a road go down to their land.
>we look forward to working with you. as agreed upon you will do the labor but we will provide you with food and water while you make the road.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20473148
>>20474085

[Anonymous No.]

>>20473948
You're our flag guy, right? I'll make this simple. Every time someone wants to do something controversial, it's rarely actually controversial until we want to do the same thing. They hate us and will blame us for everything wrong that happens in the thread. I'm surprised no one has written lore about how /inf/ caused the nuclear storm over Rushia territory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20474021
Is isn't "allowed" to annex /uuu/. The vote was inconclusive and several reps have said they'd wish to change their votes from abstain to another vote.

[Anonymous No.]

I find it funny and fitting that /inf/, the time-related general, keeps getting into timeloops

[Anonymous No.]

>>20473311
Ya I'm honestly beginning to wonder what's their problem
>>20473611
I'll third this
>>20473750
>/who/ wants trains, faces pushback
>/inf/ says they want trains too, massive timeloop ensues and /who/ blames /inf/ for the initial pushback
maybe here is an idea. Use your brains and be part of the initial push back instead of going "well then we want this and this and this too" and becoming part of the problem. There is also of hostility to kronies here but god damn do you guys make it look justified at times.
>>20473750
>/who/ annexes /uuu/, barely anyone cares
>/inf/ gets called expansionist and aggressive for making /risu/ a protectorate
>/inf/ gives up /risu/ as requested but /who/ gets to keep /uuu/ by popular vote
Also this is complete bullshit and I'm not happy that /who/ gets to annex a general due to lack of interest in the project.

[Anonymous No.]

I lurk here frequently so I figured I should say, please don’t try to get a /vspo/ rep at all, that thread is extremely isolationist, dislikes any outsiders, and don’t want anything to do with this board/board things in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20474177
>Inconclusive
No, it wasn't.
https://poal.me/1wqi8e

[Anonymous No.]

>>20474153
already anchored from the last thread like i said. just a repost since i think it got ignored

[Anonymous No.]

>>20474238
Hoshiyomia (the Suisei general) is also like that

[Anonymous No.]

>>20474265
My bad, now everything from the last thread should be archived

>>20474238
Didn't someone from that thread once write some lore? The one with the storm and airships

[Anonymous No.]

What the hell did I miss?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20474209
>Use your brains and be part of the initial push back
But we want trains too. Personally I supported /who/ having traisk because then we could have them too. But someone talked me out of it last thread.
>Also this is complete bullshit and I'm not happy
It's not bullshit because that's what happened. The poal was clearly showed people wanted to take /uuu/ back from /who/ but it didn't matter because, at the time, most reps voted to let them keep it. And the vote and discussion to take it from them ONLY happened after /inf/ took /risu/ as a protectorate. There was no discussion about *not* being land grabbers until we did it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20474156
I am. And I see bias here, but we have to find ways to stop it, not entering in loops and fights with other generals. Lets see what we can do for ourselves, we haven't write lore for a while, we can do that. And we have to enforce in our thread the limits decided here. We have been talking about cleaning our act for long, and we've been making waves with trying to recruit generals and making fun projects with them. I like modern stuff, but if we can't have them, we can't. IF, and only IF, /who/or anyone else gets something we've got denied we can push for it back, but not like right away, let the opinion evolve a couple or day and maybe /who/ or any other may not get that. Not everyone is 24/7 in the thread.

Give a breather to the vtwbg, let them discuss about other things for a while. Be being annoying doesn't help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20473838
you're getting shit because your rep fucked up and flatout said that if /who/ advances so would /infinity/ which only added fuel to the timeloop.
>>20474156
you sound like this dumbfuck >>20455388 almost everyone is and has been against /who/ having trains but I guess because we can discuss things with them like reasonable people you don't consider that push back enough

[Anonymous No.]

>>20474430
>The poal was clearly showed people wanted to take /uuu/ back from /who/ but it didn't matter because, at the time, most reps voted to let them keep it.
So we're under conservative run democracy where the 'elected' reps will ignore what the people want now to push their personal agendas. In this case, allow for annexations to occur.

What sort of shitty system is this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20474397
A timeloop involving both of us...

[Anonymous No.]

>>20474430
When I say is bullshit I mean that its bullshit that /who/ was allowed to annex /uuu/ in the first place. There was some initial push back but it was slight and they did get what they wanted and thats a mistake. I would very much like to reopen the discussion on it because I'm opposed to inactivity leading to this kind of situation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20474380
I see the post you’re mentioning in the archives but no one in that thread uses soundposts and it boiled down to: “Leave us the fuck alone”, even if it was someone from that thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20474551
fucking hell, I was only gone for like 8 hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20474551
*Oddloop start playing.*

[Anonymous No.]

Sorry anons, I just wanted to know the state of /who/ military to write my story in lore
Starting a timeloop wasnt my intention

[Anonymous No.]

>>20474430
>But we want trains too. Personally I supported /who/ having traisk because then we could have them too. But someone talked me out of it last thread.
Also give up on this. No one is getting trains see >>20473327 stop being a child and pushing for something that ruins the world for most other cultures

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/2CYDgezeQas
Be Grand Mage of the /hlg/ Empire.
The secret cabal of esoteric magocracy have elected you to test their new device.
A vessel that can travel through time.
Powered by every chuubanite in existence. Even some that are impossible to obtain.
Who even still worship Siro? What kind of goddess is this 'Aloe'?
Doesnt matter, the device is ready.
The cockpit closes and the values are punched in.
The Divine Head Mage gives his last prayers to high goddess Sora and Azki
Without fear, you set off on your journey.
You land in your first destination.
If the wizards were right, in this timeline the worship of the primordial titanomachy never faded away.
You came across a traveling merchant and ask where are you and who does he worship.
He answered this is the Empire of Ai. Everyone here worships the same goddess Kizuna Ai.
It worked. IT WORKED!
After spending a week collecting documents, tomes, and artifacts from this new world in your vessel, you ready your machine and prepare to head back home.
Or so you think.
As the vessel lands, you realized that the world is different than usual.
Meeting the locals, you question them.
In this timeline, the worship of every deity of every pantheon was crushed under a regime of Phaseconnect.
Only Pippa, Uruka, and Tenma remains.
Not wanting to get arrested by the inquisition, you immediately escape to another world.
One where half of the world is flooded as the ice melted. A world where the Diluvian Thalassocracy of /ggg/ rules supreme over the planet
Another jump
Radiation and magic storms rage the planet. A world where the Holo Empire collapsed and the entire pantheon slain. The world of the 7th trumpet.
Another jump
A world inhabited only by independent and minor deities. Every grand pantheon from Holo, Niji, 774, Vshojo, was slain. /meat/ succeeded in this one.
Another jump!
You wont be coming home soon

[Anonymous No.]

>>20474585
It's very clear we have some elites running /vtwbg/ if we can hold a vote saying the annexation is void and we're told no because they know better and they held their own vote saying it stays.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20474502
>you're getting shit because your rep fucked up and flatout said that if /who/ advances so would /infinity/ which only added fuel to the timeloop.
This was clearly a statement about "well if they can have that, so should we". Which is only fair. But since /who/ isn't getting it, neither are we. My issue is the /who/ guy last thread blaming us even if our rep's statement came after all the pushback.
>>20474585
Hmm, okay then I misunderstood you. And I agree. Personally I'm realllllly happy /risu/ has a rep and is independent now, I think everyone is.
>>20474655
Did you not read the last sentence of what you quoted? I already gave up on it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20474694
>>20473148

[Anonymous No.]

>>20474257
The representative vote. Not the poal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20474528
The vote was inconclusive only because of people who abstained. The idea is to have a conclusive vote this time, maybe without the ability to abstain that'd ruin the "yes/no" consideration.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20474937
>>20474989
Or just go with the popular vote instead of electoral college bullshit that is rep votes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20474744
I know you've given up on it but please stop saying you want trains too. Its just making things more conflated and it makes /infinity/ look like they're only opposed to it because they aren't allowed trains rather than being opposed to it for the health of the world.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20474989
Given how much it would affect loremaking, it shouldn't be any other than a yes/no answer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475030
You mean a poal that could be easily rigged and has more votes in it than IPs in the thread?
Why would the thread encourage raids and give more voting power to more populous threads? One thread, one vote.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475030
electoral college works better in this case though

[Anonymous No.]

i just wanna build roads

[Anonymous No.]

Democracy sucks!
Autocracy now!

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475135
Your road proposal looks great buddy. I hope /mep/ likes it too

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475135
Me too, I just wanna lorefag...
Can't we just ignore the timeloop? Nothing is coming out of this

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475091
>Could be
Prove it, the poal was only posted here if you check the archive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475135
Would /risu/ need help in building roads? I don't doubt they know the land they live on, but I'm not sure if they have a lot of experience in building roads, no offense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475105
So everyone gets to annex inactive splits then. Good to know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475061
Point taken.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475135
Gramps here, I will come back to actual mapping tomorrow, wait for us (I will run through our thread)

[Anonymous No.]

>>20473206
Jesus Christ I leave you fuckers alone for 8 hours to get some shuteye and you're already looping again.

Anyway, Round 2 Votes, as well as a couple additional matters:

Regarding thread management:
As I have not received any replies to >>20409001 regarding the voting system yet, I am setting it to vote again.
>What percentage of an answer should said answer have for it to take effect, ie >50%, >60%, >70% etc
>What happens if no answer passes the threshold? Revote with no Abstain option, vote fails, other suggestion?
>What happens in a two-way or three-way tie?
>What happens if the majority Abstains/is Undecided?

>Do we want a rep to be responsible for making posts like this one, where matters are voted on? Y/N
Summary: 3Y, 3N, 3U/A. Three-way tie, we either tiebreak or the vote does not pass.
The question to be voted on remains the same, but I am open to suggestions.

>As a matter of fact, what should the name of the planet be?
Summary: Multiple proposals but no convergence. Will require further examination. TBD
Current proposals include: Eavth, Planet - /vt/, Chubaearth, Vitalia, Vitria, Veetee, /vt/.
I personally believe this needs to be voted on for us to have some sort of consistency, though opinions differ.
Changing the question to:
>Should there be a unified name for the planet across all nations? Y/N

>Should /fbk/'s and /mion/'s locations be swapped? Y/N
Summary: 3Y, 6A. Vote does not pass. It seems most voters were not aware of the situation to vote.
This was a Sakuran proposal. I did think of including the details of the proposal in the question itself but I opted out of it in the end. I see now that was a mistake.
Therefore, this prompt will be revoted on. This time, I will be attaching the explanation Sakuran gave in their voting post:
>I have explained this before, but FBK interacts with the Stars in some degree, while Mio does not. This doesn't necessarily mean the threads themselves reflect this, but it would definitely make more sense if they were swapped. Additionally, FBK is an arctic fox, so being further north than Mio, who is I think a wolf in alpine forests, would make sense.
If the change were to be made, I would also suggest changing the size of the borders a bit, as /fbk/ is also represented in /bakatare/ and would get a bigger piece of land, while /mion/'s land would become smaller in the swap. /fbk/'s new land would be frozen however, so that should be accounted for

>Should /OKFAMS/ be also added on the map, perhaps around the area of /duck/, /mogu+/doog/, /fbk/, /mion/?
Y/N
Summary: 4Y, 2N, 3A. Results indecisive.
Sakuran retracts the proposal and puts it on hold until the end of March.

>Should /israel/ and [insert another new thread I forgot the name of] be added on the map? Y/N
Summary: 4Y, 3N, 2A for /aa/, 3Y, 3N, 3A for /israel/. Results indecisive, no clear majority.
Results could go either way depending on the Abstains. Reformulated:
>Should this be put on hold until the end of the
month to check again, or should /aa/ get a nation but /israel/ does not?

>What should happen at the poles?
Summary: Multiple proposals, converges on an ocean and a land mass.
On hold until >>20440107 returns with their proposals.

Regarding the Rushia situation:
>Regarding Jannies and the smiting that may or may not be incorporated into Rushia lore; what are they in
regards to our world/pantheon, and what effects and powers do they have? Specifically, assuming their existence
is acknowledged, what can be said for eg /meat/, that gets deleted on a regular basis?
Summary: Multiple suggestions, generally converge on jannies having mythical powers. Reformulated:
>Should we decide on further parameters, or reduce this to a discussion point and suggest lore when necessary?

>If the answer to the above is the former, what happens when the land the Chuubanite is on changes owner?
Summary: 2 for Qualities change accordingly, 2 for Qualities are lost when owner changes, 2 for Qualities remain
until exhausted/decayed, 2A, 1n/a. No real convergence, needs to be discussed further.
Results need to be clarified, therefore reformulated to:
>If/When a land changes owner, or when a piece of Chuubanite leaves the Area of Influence of its related deity, does the it lose it's powers and qualities (decaying slowly, as per /meat/, still counts as this) or does it keep them but no more of that type of Chuubanite is generated in the area?

1/2

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475279
??? when was that decided?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475279
Relax. I'm with you on this being called to vote again, but most people seem to be in favor of that too already. So no need to doompost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475221
I just voted in it again. I voted in it once before. I have effortlessly voted twice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475327
Additional question from the last thread:
>Steam trains? Y/N

Regarding the /who/-/uuu/ matter:
The proposal was put to vote to reverse the changes. The vote did not pass. Your complaints to the reps. Nevertheless, due to people suggesting it, I will put additional things to vote:
>Vote suggestions can be made by everyone, obviously, however what about requesting to amend proposals that have reached a conclusion? Should amendments to previous proposals be able to be initiated? Y/N
>Should those suggestions for amendment require a set number of reps to be initiated, or can they be initiated by any anon?
>Following the above, how many recommendations should an amendment suggestion require before being put to vote?
If the answer to the above three questions are "Yes", "By everyone" and "<=3" (as there have been 3 anons asking for revote so far), then the following prompt is voted upon now, meaning votes replying to this post are counted.
If the answer to the above three questions are "Yes", "Representatives" and "[number TBD]", then the next prompt is not voted upon now and is postponed until enough representatives in accordance to [number TBD] voice their support for amendment.
If the answer to the initial question is "No", meaning no amendments are possible, the next prompt is invalidated and the acquisition of /uuu/ land by /who/ is final.
Reply to the prompt anyway, regardless of your previous answers.
Prompt:
>Should the land acquisition of /who/ over /uuu/ be voided? Y/N


Final Note: Let me reiterate, poal links *hold no power*, as per decision from last post. Only vote posts are valid.

2/2

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475327
HOLY FUCK, JUST MAKE A GOOGLE DOX OR SOME SHIT INSTEAD OF THIS INDECIPHERABLE WALL OF TEXT.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475436
or a rentry maybe?

[Anonymous No.]

Day 2 risuners at the docks while waiting for some help in building a road meanwhile the rest of the world is on fire

[Anonymous No.]

>>20474085
it seems you guys are ready to make a map, do you want me to help you out or do you prefer to do this yourselves?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475519
The rest of the world is fine, it's just a fist fight in the equivalent of the Hague again

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475554
if you want to help out that would be appreciated. i still dont know gemstones/rocks and theres a few other details im sure im missing

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475519
I will send some civil engineers your way, I'm tired of this timeloop and I won't partake in this

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475327
>>20475394
Sakuran answers:

>What percentage of an answer should said answer have for it to take effect, ie >50%, >60%, >70% etc
50%
>What happens if no answer passes the threshold? Revote with no Abstain option, vote fails, other suggestion?
Revote with no Abstains
>What happens in a two-way or three-way tie?
As above
>What happens if the majority Abstains/is Undecided?
Vote fails

>Do we want a rep to be responsible for making posts like this one, where matters are voted on? Y/N
Y

>Should there be a unified name for the planet across all nations? Y/N
Y, for consistency

>Should /fbk/'s and /mion/'s locations be swapped? Y/N
Y

>Should this be put on hold until the end of the month to check again, or should /aa/ get a nation but /israel/ does not?
Fucked the formatting smdh, but anw hold until the end of the month

>Should we decide on further parameters, or reduce this to a discussion point and suggest lore when necessary?
Reduce to discussion

>If/When a land changes owner, or when a piece of Chuubanite leaves the Area of Influence of its related deity, does the it lose it's powers and qualities (decaying slowly, as per /meat/, still counts as this) or does it keep them but no more of that type of Chuubanite is generated in the area?
Loses its powers

>Steam trains? Y/N
N

>Vote suggestions can be made by everyone, obviously, however what about requesting to amend proposals that have reached a conclusion? Should amendments to previous proposals be able to be initiated? Y/N
Y
>Should those suggestions for amendment require a set number of reps to be initiated, or can they be initiated by any anon?
Reps
>Following the above, how many recommendations should an amendment suggestion require before being put to vote?
3
>Should the land acquisition of /who/ over /uuu/ be voided? Y/N
Y

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475519
/∞/ is already in Risu and surveying the land and ferrying in supplies.
Also a small sailing fleet is circling to the western part of risu to start construction there as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475436
But... I like walls of text....

>>20475470
All the matters were on reentry, I could have done that there. No one commented on the outstanding proposals so I wasn't sure what people felt was appropriate. Enough backlash and we can start using rentry links

[Anonymous No.]

>>20474528
>under conservative run democracy where the 'elected' reps will ignore what the people want
Oh, it's a leftist, no wonder it's so retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475632
i made the pyon map, do you want something like that? i would require a lot of collaboration from you guys, firstly what does your landscape look like? is it rocky or flat, or both? i'm assuming one huge forest, and woodland elven-like architecture? sorry i don't remember much of your posts on environment

[Anonymous No.]

>>20473148
Proposal: Non-standard aka 'advanced' technology like trains, internet, radar, teleportation, flight are allowed under two conditions.

Condition A: Said technology must utilize Vtubium in any form
A1: The technology must either built using Chuubanite alloy, powered by chuubanite gems, contains Vtubium fluids, a plasma Vtubium engine, etc
A2: The technology in question must obey the principle of the Vtubium used. Sana powered vessels cannot go underwater, VSPO vtuber powered weapons only works ranged, meat chuuba powered tech are related to organic material or human psyche

Condition B: Said technology must designed in a low fantasy-punk image
Best example are works such as ATLA where monorails are moved using magic wielders and cannons require fuel from magic users.
Flying vehicles could either use anti-grav magic, or hot air balloons filled with gaseous Vtubium.
/risu/ could use a series of caravan wagons pulled by fantasy beasts as a makeshift 'train/truck/ hybrid.
/ggg/ ships are shaped like fish to reach 100 knots.

tldr: GET CREATIVE!

[Anonymous No.]

>>20474622
To avoid any more of these types of issues, I'll put your story under a vague non-canonical state unless the thread reads it and approves it as non world-breaking, I do hope you understand my reservations from further on, I do not want to stifle your creativity after all.

Anchoring:
>>20473148
Stories of the nameless soldier is not canon or official until further notice, this is up to change if the thread decides for it, maybe it falls under a section of myth or legend.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20474710
nobody likes polls, we voted against using them. why are you being so autistic about it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475812
ah yeah basically its forest dominant and for the most part flat. a few hills hare and there but thats about it, no mountains or anything. And yes basically 2 layers of buildings with wooden log cabin homes resembling early european homes on the ground and ewok like homes up in the trees

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>>20475881
Taking that train caravan idea. thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475881
Dude I fucking love this idea. I know this was brought up before but people were against it. Maybe people will like it now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20476026
Horse railway is a real thing after all, picrel
And if you want something even more fantastical: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impulsoria

[Anonymous No.]

>>20476026
who tf is this posing as me?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475881
I don't know about that, it's pretty much technology+ then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475327
I'm just a simple lore writer.

>What percentage of an answer should said answer have for it to take effect, ie >50%, >60%, >70% etc
50%

>What happens if no answer passes the threshold? Revote with no Abstain option, vote fails, other suggestion?
Revote with no Abstentions.

>What happens in a two-way or three-way tie?
Revote with no Abstentions.

>What happens if the majority Abstains/is Undecided?
Revote with no Abstentions, it means both sides need to make more compelling arguments.

>Do we want a rep to be responsible for making posts like this one, where matters are voted on?
No

>Should there be a unified name for the planet across all nations?
Yes

>Should /fbk/'s and /mion/'s locations be swapped? Y/N
Yes

>Should this be put on hold until the end of the month to check again, or should /aa/ get a nation but /israel/ does not?
Put on hold.

>Should we decide on further parameters, or reduce this to a discussion point and suggest lore when necessary?
Reduce to discussion

>If/When a land changes owner, or when a piece of Chuubanite leaves the Area of Influence of its related deity, does the it lose it's powers and qualities (decaying slowly, as per /meat/, still counts as this) or does it keep them but no more of that type of Chuubanite is generated in the area?
Loses its powers.

>Vote suggestions can be made by everyone, obviously, however what about requesting to amend proposals that have reached a conclusion? Should amendments to previous proposals be able to be initiated?
Only if the original proposer agrees

>Should those suggestions for amendment require a set number of reps to be initiated, or can they be initiated by any anon?
Anon

>Following the above, how many recommendations should an amendment suggestion require before being put to vote?
N/A

>Should the land acquisition of /who/ over /uuu/ be voided?
Yes

>Steam trains?
Yes (when viable)

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475881
https://avatar.fandom.com/wiki/Monorail
YOOOOOOOO
fuck i feel dumb. we have magic but we kept going for irl realism

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475881
I'm against it solely because, as before, Vitubium seems to be regarded as "common" by the threads who'd want to mass-utilize it. It doesn't fix the core problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475977
what about rivers or lakes? some things may be more detailed than on the g map so do you think there's something to add like a river or bay maybe? what are some significant geographical features? all risuners are welcome to help me on this because i know there's more than just one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475881
>teleportation
No. I'd say a hard no on any spacetime fuckery, exception maybe being individual miraculous events.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475881
suddenly a general wants a Totoro's nekobus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20476254
A lot of threads wanted more magic, meat and infinity and ringo come to mind. But there was a lot of pushback. Maybe that needs to be a vote too - floating history is already decided on, so we're not completely bound by realism as is

[Anonymous No.]

>>20476195
totally not another treerat lurking here

[Anonymous No.]

>>20476354
what program/website do you use?

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>>20475394
>>20475394
Deadbeat here. We don't have a rep so I'm going to bring this up in our thread and see if we can get some consensus on it
>>20475881
I'm opposed because this will just thread to chubbanite/tech wankery where people will try to justify all kinds of stupid shit via chubbanite
>>20476254
We don't really have magic we have a pseudo-magic lite resource

[Anonymous No.]

>>20476359
Good news is that teleportation magic is nerfed
Anything metal gets sent to /voms/ deserts

[Anonymous No.]

>>20476408
inkarnate

[Anonymous No.]

>>20476388
IM FINALLY NOT ALONE HOLY SHIT! LETS FUCKING GO BABY

[Anonymous No.]

>>20476454
But that was only for fucking up the spell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20476454
that wouldnt be a nerf enough

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475977
is it a bad time to ask if I should check the new climate of /risu/, and if /risu/ would prefer a singular biome type or a more varied one

[Anonymous No.]

>>20476195
>>20476388
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD_ag67tH3I

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475949
sure, I didnt know it would get out of control that quickly

[Anonymous No.]

>>20476512
right now /risu/ is half subtropic-half temperate
What would the new change be like?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20476576
you get used to it

[Anonymous No.]

So...
Fantasy-punk; yay or nay?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20476465
looks like fun. Ill have to try it out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20476354
the map has rivers right? Could use that as guide for deciding hills.
Since the region is topographically 'flat'
If a river can be seen from space, it's not a small river. It's very wide.
Rivers = lowlands
Not rivers = hilly

[Anonymous No.]

alright well risurep here or at least the first one gotta go for now so hopefully other treerat lurker saw all the anchored posts and sticks with the theme. have fun everyone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475327
From /who/

>What percentage of an answer should said answer have for it to take effect, ie >50%, >60%, >70% etc
60%
>What happens if no answer passes the threshold? Revote with no Abstain option, vote fails, other suggestion?
If very controversial revote without abstain, otherwise no need.
>What happens in a two-way or three-way tie?
Revote with no Abstain
>What happens if the majority Abstains/is Undecided?
Revote with no Abstains
>Do we want a rep to be responsible for making posts like this one, where matters are voted on? Y/N
Sure, rotating position too
>Should there be a unified name for the planet across all nations? Y/N
No, nations should have the option for their own name for the planet, they could also decide to use the same name for the planet as other nations, but it should not be enforced
>Should /fbk/'s and /mion/'s locations be swapped? Y/N
Sure, I think it's fine, they aren't present yet so it's not much trouble
>Should this be put on hold until the end of the month to check again, or should /aa/ get a nation but /israel/ does not?
Wait until the end of the month, if /aa/ is still alive then yes
>Should we decide on further parameters, or reduce this to a discussion point and suggest lore when necessary?
Basic parameters should be decided so that the newfags that want to write lore know what and how to do it.
>If/When a land changes owner, or when a piece of Chuubanite leaves the Area of Influence of its related deity, does the it lose it's powers and qualities (decaying slowly, as per /meat/, still counts as this) or does it keep them but no more of that type of Chuubanite is generated in the area?
Chuubanite is chuubanite, if it bonds with a material then it holds the properties of that material until it gets de-bounded, usage of chuubanite is technical, nations ought to be careful so that their techniques don't get stolen.
>Steam trains? Y/N
No.
>Vote suggestions can be made by everyone, obviously, however what about requesting to amend proposals that have reached a conclusion? Should amendments to previous proposals be able to be initiated? Y/N
Abstain
>Should those suggestions for amendment require a set number of reps to be initiated, or can they be initiated by any anon?
Set number of reps
>Following the above, how many recommendations should an amendment suggestion require before being put to vote?
3
>Should the land acquisition of /who/ over /uuu/ be voided? Y/N
I'd prefer if it was not, but I will follow the wishes of the thread for better collaboration, I'd still like some compensation if it's completely voided.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20473206
Not a representative so maybe this isn't "allowed" but here's a short version of things I think need to be voted on

>repeal /who/-/uuu/ annexation?
Exactly as the question asks.
>keep world from progressing significantly from agreed upon time periods?
If yes, no one should even ask if they can develop new tech for their country. Learning tech from allies or recovering lost tech (/nasa/) should be allowed.
>fantasy-punk technology fueled by Vitubium?
Less realistic, more fun.

Feel free to vote on this, representatives.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20476628
nta
almost the entirety of /risu/ is south of the northern subtropical ridge now. I think the ocean currents wouldn't have changed, the western side is still affected by a cold / neutral one and the eastern side by a warm one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20477029
>implying realism isn't fun

[Anonymous No.]

>>20477137
It's led to too many timeloops as is. It's not fun for this project. We very almost considered actually changing the entire global geology a few times recently because we're trying to be realistically earth sized. It's not fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20476900
there don't seem to be any rivers where risu is on the map, should i make some very thin ones you can't usually see for this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20477263
>geology
I meant geography

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475394
>Imagine not wanting a soul train

[Anonymous No.]

>>20477137
Problem right now is that every attempt at realist worldbuilding gets hit with backlash
Like this train argument we're having and the whole canal affair.
Meanwhile, /meat/, /yeah/ and /risu/ are having fun applying fantastic elements to make themselves distinguishable with fleshgrafting, trees with fast food production etc

[Anonymous No.]

>>20477379
The problem with the canal was that it wasn't realistic, not that it was.
With trains the problem is how huge of a game changer they would be. Everything would be fine if some anons just were not so hellbent on wanting for their threads to be industrial powerhouses.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm pretty sure the majority of timeloops since the start of this project have centered around arguing for realism

[Anonymous No.]

>>20476628
I think it would be primarily divided into two somewhat similar climate types:
> Humid subtropical (Cfa): eastern coast
> Monsoon subtropical (Cwa): northern coast
There might be small patches of another climate types:
> Hot steppe (BSh): southern tip of western coast
Eastern coast is relatively simple: warm current from the tropics flow off shore of /risu/ until it reaches around /pol/ka, bringing warn and moist air to the land.
For western coast, normally the cold current flowing between /risu/ and /morig/ would bring cold (relatively speaking) and dry air to the western coast, giving it a hot steppe or even hot desert climate.
However, the size of holo continent means it will create a strong monsoon (probably the strongest on this planet), meaning that during summer the prevailing wind of southern and southeastern holo continent will turn to blowing inland, which has the result of giving those places a *very* wet summer. Because of that, most of the /risu/ closer to the continent proper will be wetter in summer and drier in winter.
As such, I think it makes sense that western coast of /risu/ will have a monsoon subtropical climate instead: raining like hell in summer, and dry as bone in winter. the southernmost part of /risu/ might be too far from the continent to have such a strong effect, though, which is why it might have an odd patch of different climate there.
As for the biome, following what /risu/ wants, it will likely be mostly tropical rainforest, although the sharp difference between wet and dry season means it likely won't be evergreen. Basically, during wet season, the forest will be lush with green trees. During dry season, though, many of these trees will lost their leaves to reduce water loss, which makes the floor of the forest more exposed to sunlight, where more arid-resistant shrubs will bloom before the trees grow their leaves again. While this applies to the whole area, evergreen will be more common in the east, while the west will be more seasonal, and the southern part might begin to see the woods getting sparser, although it might not be too obvious before reaching tropical rainforest in bakatare again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20477263
>very almost considered actually changing the entire global geology a few times recently because we're trying to be realistic
This
The realist faction argued the polar countries wouldnt make sense and any large countries should donate some land
The fantastic faction argued using magicpunk to solve their problems

[Anonymous No.]

>>20477556
>Caring about realism in the anime waifu world building general

[Anonymous No.]

>>20477595
>realist faction
that was just one anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>20477566
>small patches of steppes
MOLERISUNERS are real!

[Anonymous No.]

>>20477595
>>20477637
Ya i'm one of the proponents of realism and I don't give a shit about this largely because I don't think its worth the effort to change. It would be easier to just bullshit the climate if it became an issue

[Anonymous No.]

>>20477637
it felt like three

[Anonymous No.]

>>20477629
Is it really that wrong to want a consistent and believable setting instead of a lazy high magic one where every issue is fixed with a "a wizard did it"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475782
Ogey /pol/

[Anonymous No.]

LET'S DO THE TIMELOOP AGAIN!!!
(Starts with a jump to the left.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>20477799
I think wizards are cool

[Anonymous No.]

>>20477595
>>20477772
What was the issue with climate, I sort of missed that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20477799
you can always blame the Watamage

[Anonymous No.]

>>20477556
>>20477595
Exactly this
I think this is why we should call to vote if we should lean harder on fantasy and stop trying to be Earth 2.0

Here, a poll for a popular vote, so that thread reps will know where the people stand.
http://poal.me/v5y1wj
http://poal.me/v5y1wj
http://poal.me/v5y1wj
(No high fantasy option because I know we all voted against it before)

[Anonymous No.]

>>20477799
But it won't be "a wizard did it" if each thread writes in depth processes of how they refine their specific Vitubium, list it's applications, and then write in good detail how they implement it. It's not just going to be handwaved primarily.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20477799
At least in Fantasypunk you can come with ideas and whatever bs like "We used chuubanite gems with the power of our goddess Pomu to transmit thoughts between users like phones"
Nothing too fantastic and outlandish but still grounded enough to bridge the gap

[Anonymous No.]

>>20477960
I really hope that will be the case, but looking at most historical proposals I have my doubts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20477735
I imagine /risu/ during the dry season, especially the Cwa part (which should be western coast, I made a typo in the last post) and *especially* the BSh part will look pretty barebone, with many of the trees losing their leaves, and the larger gaps between trees being mostly shrubs and even grassland. I reckon that might be when molerrats go into hiding. During the wet season, shades from the trees likely will provide decent cover for them to be more active on the surface. (of course, it can vary a lot depending on how intelligent they are)

[Anonymous No.]

>>20478009
Rejection by committee, maybe? If we see a lazy handwave for why X general should have magic ICBMs, we call bullshit on it. And if they refuse to give a satisfactory reasoning / bring down the tech level, we elect to just ignore their proposal.

[Anonymous No.]

>mole risuners
>rosebutas
Is /vt/ world just the setting of Dont Starve?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20477799
apparently. It seems as we gain new people the more they want to force the setting to change to fit their personal vision

[Anonymous No.]

>>20478212
Maybe it's a compromise we should make if it means we don't want this thread to just be /meat/, /inf/, and /nasa/ talking to each other for all time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20477854
Some of the threads locations are completely in polar zones that are pretty uninhabitable and so an anon or two has discussed changing the world to give them more habitable locations

[Anonymous No.]

>>20478310
That was before the poles were expanded though. Now most of those threads should be pretty fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>20477566
i tried paying attention to this, do you think this looks right? i know tropical will have more foliage and i plan on adding (not to scale) forests in the east and northern sides. i'm not keen on ecology or anything like that

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475519
Can /nasa/ bring some hand cranked blenders and blend vegetable and fruit smoothies? If we can develop proper insulation for ice to carry on ships we could bring ice too. I wonder if its possible to use the spacesuit's "dough" technology infused with vitubium to make arctic insulation that freezes up to 12 months.

[Anonymous No.]

What is this and where's /rape/

[Anonymous No.]

>>20478385
The colour looks right, although it's probably closer to winter than summer. For forest distribution, I would say the yellow part will be less dense than the green part, with the southernmost part of the west coast being more like a mix of lone patches of trees, shrubs and grassland. Rivers and wetlands will also likely be common in the eastern coast and northwestern coast, although they might get covered by the aforementioned forest.
Does your resource pack have mangrove forests?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20478269
I mean the deadbeats are decently active in here and they generally follow the setting well

[Anonymous No.]

>>20478501
>"dough" technology infused with vitubium to make arctic insulation
They say that if you listen carefully, you can hear the /nasa/ fridges bark

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475881
>Sana powered vessels cannot go underwater.
So abos can't swim?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20478548
It was always inevitable that the more generals joined, the more friction there'd be against such a strict setting. Add in that /inf/ and /meat/ always wanted a little more fantasy before begrudgingly accepting realism. The earlier we make a shift for (slightly) more fantasy, the less friction and timeloops we'll suffer down the line.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20478269
/nasfaqg/ is decently active too
They just dont really write lore, mostly they are just signing trade deals

[Anonymous No.]

>>20478686
Just the other day they proposed to increase their tech level slightly. It's clear a lot of threads wants more magic and / or better tech. This could be solved if we leaned juuust a little harder on fantasy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20478547
duly noted
they don't have mangrove, but if you want to make a simple asset i can upload it for personal use (make sure it's a png)

[Anonymous No.]

If everything is being shuffled around, what is the new currents around /∞/ going to be? I'm not against slight adjustments with the rest of the world, but how will it affect our current biomes?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20478686
They won't fight for themselves. They'll just make proxies or hire mercenaries to do their dirty work.
After all you can't make profits if you're dead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20478212
I dont see it as changing the world from IRL to Chronicles of Narnia. I see it as more IRL++ where magic replaces electricity, mechanical engineering, and jet turbines
We have sail powered galleons and corvettes but with magical GPS
We have caravans but with magical refrigerators to keep goods fresh
We have highwaymen using flintlocks and arquebusiers but with magic infused cloak to stay stealthy
Telepathic crystals replace phones
Dream messaging replace internet chatrooms/imageboards
It's a way to punk in modern ideas and concepts without making it contemporary

[Anonymous No.]

>>20478793
It's ultimately up to /risu/, but I think it'll make sense for the southeastern coast of /risu/ to have mangrove forest. It's a nice touch, but not really that necessary unless /risu/ thinks otherwise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20478793
It's ultimately up to /risu/, but I think it'll make sense for the eastern coast of /risu/ to have mangrove forest. It's a nice touch, but not really that necessary unless /risu/ thinks otherwise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20473148
So did we decide to remove the newly added land in the arctic, or just add the two straits to keep the northern coastal countries from getting screwed over?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20478541
Uirapeposting is probably a cult of some sort within horni, I'd wager

[Anonymous No.]

>>20478845
This
Low-fantasy punk is like realism with shortcuts

[Anonymous No.]

>>20478932
see >>20440107

[Anonymous No.]

>>20478555
Pan pan!

[Anonymous No.]

>>20478794
if the poles are expanded, you'll be a lot warmer. I suggest you move northwards

The currents shouldnt change much in their effects, depending ofc on how high up north you would move, or i fyou move at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20479004
Fuckable

[Anonymous No.]

>>20479043
We'd just want the northern part of our island to still be tundra, like Option B. Do we have a new wind and ocean current chart for the expanded poles?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20478896
Risu rep on phone who I'll be calling myself OGsuner since we have another treerat now. Sounds all good to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20479150
Not yet. I can make one but I kinda wanted to take a few days off of projects.

Wont's be a big issue though, its very mechanical work that doesn't require much thinking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20479242
If you need to take a break, that's fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20478976
>>20478845
Another shortcut is to have non-earth animals like wyverns and dragons. Some dinosaurs could have survived the ice age and evolved into wyverns. There can be both domesticated and wild wyverns.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20479660
If we do allow wyverns/dragons they should be reserved for nations who have a wyvern/dragon chuuba.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20479660
Or both!
Imagine a dragon
Said dragon is carrying a ballista
The ballista fires arrows with unstable Rushia chuubanite powder laced arrowheads
We just made an F-22 Raptor

[Anonymous No.]

OGsuner. I'll start adding animals besides the risuners. There would be for example elk and other mythical/stereotypical wildlife. Note squirrels are omnivores so they can eat meat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20479892
i wish i was half as creative as you

[Anonymous No.]

>>20479948
ri2ner here
How about this fella?
https://speculativeevolution.fandom.com/wiki/Chirit

[Anonymous No.]

>>20478745
Speaking said proposal, are people ok with that?

[Anonymous No.]

in that case, /rrat/ needs dropbears

[Anonymous No.]

Idea, risuners change appearance based on what they specialized in. The ones who do manual labor becomes molelike. Some become like this
https://twitter.com/SWNS/status/1113031764031737860

[Anonymous No.]

>>20473111
Can we add not a country but a space station? The UCSS Usui Clear Space Station. Since it doesn't have a general but gets a thread from time to time, just as you can sometimes see the space station orbiting above.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20473148
>>20480353
Shit, sorry meant here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20480353
We're not even close to space age, outside of /nasa/ and they're concerned with starving to death after they crashed

[Anonymous No.]

>>20480353
>space station
How about...
https://youtu.be/3L8NNDZlpmw

[Anonymous No.]

>>20480353
I did it as a joke, but I also floated the idea of /iofi/ being similar to that

[Anonymous No.]

Good morning /vtwbg/! Anything cool happen while I was gone?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20480353
I think the idea of wondering tribes would be a better representation

[Anonymous No.]

If small threads that come once a while want a spot Im okay with doing city states.
Meaning on the map they are really tiny.
San marino, Lichtenstein, Singapore, kind of situations
When I meant tiny I mean REALLY tiny. For comparison. A citystate the size of Singapore

[Anonymous No.]

>>20480729
Not really, mainly just timeloops as usual.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20480729
We just opened a poll if we should use vtubium magic as punk tech
>>20479892
>>20478845
>>20475881

[Anonymous No.]

>>20480780
Seconded. Every country so far have been huge. There are plenty of small countries irl. El Salvador, Timor Leste, Luxemburg, Brunei.
I dont agree with moving existing countries around. but i can make a compromise if a country wishes to let a smaller country take some of their clay

[Anonymous No.]

What happened to mountain enjoyer? Did he just leave?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475327
I suppose /nasa/ will put in the vote since I have the time.

>What percentage of an answer should said answer have for it to take effect, ie >50%, >60%, >70% etc
Filibuster is about 60%. So we'll go with that.
>What happens if no answer passes the threshold? Revote with no Abstain option, vote fails, other suggestion?
Revote with no abstain.
>What happens in a two-way or three-way tie?
Revote the popular options with no abstain.
>What happens if the majority Abstains/is Undecided?
The proposal has to to be revised and voted again on until abstains are minimized as with laws. Language should be clear where votes will be yes or no.

>Do we want a rep to be responsible for making posts like this one, where matters are voted on? Y/N
Yes, because they will tally the votes at the end.

>As a matter of fact, what should the name of the planet be?
/nasa/ will not vote on this. /nasa/ are off-worlders. So we'll adapt the planet's name to whatever the locals call it.

>Should there be a unified name for the planet across all nations? Y/N
Every language usually has a word for "the earth". So yes, even if the word is in different languages.

>Should /fbk/'s and /mion/'s locations be swapped? Y/N
After reading Sakuran's proposal then yes.

>Should /OKFAMS/ be also added on the map, perhaps around the area of /duck/, /mogu+/doog/, /fbk/, /mion/?
If they are a new general then yes.

>Should /israel/ and [insert another new thread I forgot the name of] be added on the map? Y/N
If they are a new general then yes.

>Should this be put on hold until the end of the month to check again, or should /aa/ get a nation but /israel/ does not?
End of the month hold sounds good. Gives the generals enough time to stick around so yes.

>What should happen at the poles?
The north can add straits. The south could be an ice glacier full of frozen sea.

>Regarding Jannies and the smiting that may or may not be incorporated into Rushia lore; what are they in regards to our world/pantheon, and what effects and powers do they have? Specifically, assuming their existence is acknowledged, what can be said for eg /meat/, that gets deleted on a regular basis?
Jannies are natural disasters personified as 300 pound men that do it for free and eat hot pockets.

>Should we decide on further parameters, or reduce this to a discussion point and suggest lore when necessary?
The end of every general should have a story written by those within the general.

>If the answer to the above is the former, what happens when the land the Chuubanite is on changes owner?
The chuubanite can remain in the land until another settlement takes over. Chuubanite is versatile and will be crafted to whatever the new general needs.

>If/When a land changes owner, or when a piece of Chuubanite leaves the Area of Influence of its related deity, does the it lose it's powers and qualities (decaying slowly, as per /meat/, still counts as this) or does it keep them but no more of that type of Chuubanite is generated in the area?
Energized vitubium loses power over time as all batteries do. Vitubium needs to be recharged once in a while or it'll lose its power.
Chuubanite/vitubium forged into other materials with no energy storage properties are unaffected. This includes alloys of steel, plant saps, and insulation.

>Steam trains? Y/N
No. Not in this age. I understand if you can boil water you can create steam engines. But we're at least a century away from steam power even with chuubanite.

>Vote suggestions can be made by everyone, obviously, however what about requesting to amend proposals that have reached a conclusion? Should amendments to previous proposals be able to be initiated? Y/N
Yes. /uuu/ really needs a representative. That said I see no problems with starting debates with amendments.
>Should those suggestions for amendment require a set number of reps to be initiated, or can they be initiated by any anon?
Ideas and debate can be initiated by anyone but reps need to start the vote.
>Following the above, how many recommendations should an amendment suggestion require before being put to vote?
As many as necessary. This is one of those things where you have to be reasonable and try to have as few as possible.

>Should the land acquisition of /who/ over /uuu/ be voided? Y/N
/nasa/ will not vote on this matter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20480729
i'm making /risu/ a map.

also, all risuners report in, how is this looking (before i go any further)?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20481073
looks a bit flat? i guess

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>>20480125
>https://speculativeevolution.fandom.com/wiki/Chirit
wtf that looks badass. yo im down with including that. Also noted your name to me is now Ri2ner. Nice one
>>20480296
This could work. The mole like ones would be a minority since theyre all about the nature on the surface but I did mention before there would be some aspect of mining for rocks and gems (they use stone after all) so I have no objections to this. And im sure everyone else wouldnt see a problem. Im going to work now sadly so ill be back in about 7-8 hours and see what you all have been up to.

Welcome btw Ri2ner tell me what you think about my vision of /risu/ and feel free to tell me what you like/dont like. Im going all out magic on this as you can probably tell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20481202
im still new here. paying a visit while waiting for new risu thread. i need nuts now

[Anonymous No.]

>>20479892
Sounds like too much weight for the dragon to carry. Could simply have dragons breathe fire.

>>20479810
Dragons would be limited to dragon-chuuba areas. I wish Coco didn't graduate because the Hololive continent dragons are extinct.

>>20479948
If you have some uniquely adapted species like tree deers that fly from tree to tree then you could do that too. Seems like living on the ground makes you an open target.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20481155
i thought that was the point

[Anonymous No.]

>>20481073
OGsuner here
kek updated after i wrote last message and now this loads up. Great job so far. Like i said ill be going soon so ill leave you to do the details until i get back. I just put villages scattered around on my map so idk what you do with those just make sure theres risus temple somewhere (preferably in the middle) as well as the preposed road from /inf/ and the one going to /mep/ and the naval ports next to said road. Other than that ill leave any detail to you my friend.

[Anonymous No.]

I HAVE YOUR MYTHICAL CREATURE RIGHT HERE!!
*whips my cock out on the map*

[Anonymous No.]

>>20481309
there would most likely be things like monkeys and other creatures who are naturally adept to tree climbing, moving around a forest environment due to evolution.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20481073
If you don't have a city established in the western area where the road goes directly across the your country and is the best route for transporting goods to and from the eastern and central oceans.
Is there a chance /∞/ could set up a port there to help facilitate trading within the central ocean states?
The latest monster hunter video got my gears turning for some great ideas.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20481375
why are you like this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20481375
I think you are lost, /nasfaqg/ is next door

[Anonymous No.]

>>20481375
found the horni rep

[Anonymous No.]

>>20481447
So return to monke?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20481449
well i (cartographer) am not a risuner so i can't make those decisions, but we do have two port cities on the western coast if that's what you're asking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20481073
If >>20481449 is okay, at least 1 trader from nasfaqg would also be interested in helping especially since /infinity/ trade deals are of interest to me now

[Anonymous No.]

>>20481606
I see, it would be more efficent to have trading ports that are directly across each other, but this is entirely up to risu to make the call.

>>20481630
I appreciate the offer, however we have a /nasfaqg/ company called Chronobanks who have already signed a trading agreement with /∞/. However, you can still make an offer of course.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20481606
I see, it would be more efficent to have trading ports that are directly across each other, but this is entirely up to risu to make the call.

>>20481630
I appreciate the offer, however we have a /nasfaqg/ company called Chronobanks who have already signed a trading agreement with /∞/. However, you can still make an offer of course.
But /risu/ is their own country so you can establish trade agreements with them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20481850
I am him I am interested in further dealings regarding infinity and her allies because of the existing deal

[Anonymous No.]

One of the /meat/heads here. As part of our cooperation with Kronies to provide manpower, we'd like to provide help with building the roads. A team of 20 working class men should be enough. With their enhanced strength and durability, they can work 48 hours non-stop before needing a break. Plus theyre well disciplined. They'll be caught dead if they try to slack off.
Don't worry about feeding them, we eat fruits like cocoa and squash, and regular seafood too. Exotic meat is only for ceremonial/religious purposes.

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>>20481960 (me)
Oh and addendum
Although the manpower came from /meat/, legally they are under /infinity/'s employment and contract. They will listen to Kronie foremen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20481960
Who are they?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20481960
I thought /meat/ only had regeneration abilities ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20481896
>>20481960
I included both your offers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20482311
Soldiers, yes
But different jobs require different specs.
Our workers are worshippers of pure ryona, they can endure the hardest pain and torture.
Practical when doing heavy work nonstop

[Anonymous No.]

>>20481960
>Imagine protecting coasts of hololive generals for century from raping, slaving, raiding cannibals only for the general to suddenly make odd alliances and just invite those people in to the country
Must suck to be a deadbeat even in the world of /vt/

[Anonymous No.]

>>20482401
I feel there's some difference between enduring torture and being able to work for days non-stop

[Anonymous No.]

>>20482434
It's fine, we're used to it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20482434
Doesn't this just show how fearsome /inf/ is because they actually got /meat/ to work for them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20482434
/meat/ being supportive of their allies has got to be the funniest part of their lore. everyone believed theyre a bunch of illiterate savages living in meat huts.
Until a Kronie paid a visit, realized they were civilized, and changed everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20482434
Sometimes it's just easier and cheaper to accept being raided occasionally than to keep fighting them

[Anonymous No.]

>>20482557
They were the first to make contact
Maybe after this more countries are willing to open up

[Anonymous No.]

>>20482616
It's really not thought

[Anonymous No.]

>>20482616
That sounds like brittle bone talk

[Anonymous No.]

>>20482616
Mori and deadbeats are all about Principles > Logic, it's fine.

[Anonymous No.]

Allying with /meat/ ensures they will stop raiding your coasts and carry human trafficking rings on your cities
But at a cost their cults spread faster

[Anonymous No.]

>>20480500
Baby steps anon
https://youtu.be/W912PUfiDlU

[Anonymous No.]

>>20482691
I guess that's respectable in its own way

>>20482646

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>>20482650
>>20482691
You should find something in common with /meat/ to reach an understanding. Did /meat/'s oshi retweet a comic showing her cucking her fanbase with a 3DPD guy too?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20482789
Our oishis are mostly married housewives lmao
Pic related is one

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475327
/morig/ has put together a ballot, it's currently under review by the thread. Should post it here in about an hour.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone have the image of /meat/'s raiding grounds? I've looked though the last three threads and can't find it

[Anonymous No.]

>>20483210
might not be too accurate nowadays, although its activity should still be centred around the holo sea

[Anonymous No.]

Look if /meat/ goes to far then there will be retaliation. There are groups that people refuse to acknowledge but still are around

[Anonymous No.]

>>20483633
Thanks I actually found it shortly after I posted that

[Anonymous No.]

Hey resourceanon, I can't get myself to ask other people to work for me, so I watched this video https://youtu.be/b9qvQspSbWc and tried to figure out what mineral resources /morig/ would have, but I'd still like to know if I went full retard.
Porphyry Copper and Epithermal Gold close to the volcano (Copper++++, Gold++, Molybdenum++, Lead+, Zinc+, Silver+)
IOCG farther from the volcano (Iron++, Copper+, Gold+, Uranium+)
Volcanogenis Massive Sulfide Deposits near the volcano (Copper-Zinc+++, Lead+, Silver+, Gold+, Cobalt+, Tin+, Selenium+, Manganese+, Cadmium+)
Residual Mineral Deposit in rainforest if any (/morig/ was mediterranean with the original climate analysis, but it's proportionally a bit farther South now, thoughts? Bauxite++)
++++ Large amounts, industry-defining, +++ Medium amounts, important regional resource, ++ Small amounts, enough to be useful, but not enough to be an exporter, + Trace amounts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20475327
>>20475394
Reformat the questions. Separate them between "New questions", "Discuss again", "Reformulated questions" and "Votes" or something like that. I can't figure out what's what. I already answered a lot, but they are mixed with the new ones and the reformulated ones questions

[Anonymous No.]

Update on STORIES OF NAMELES SOLDIER:
https://rentry.org/52v36

Added one more chapter, I hoped I would be able to write more today, but friends are calling me to go drink some beer with them, so I will try to write more when I get back.
Consider giving this story a try. Im giving my best to keep it in lore

[Anonymous No.]

Throughout their cooperation with /infinity/ the Risuners realized one thing. The dastardly savage pirates that occasionally raid their coastal towns at this time of the year did not came.
In fact, there were no raids ever since the clockmen arrived.
The fuzzy people were overjoyed at first, believing that these weird foreigners finally rid their seas of the horrid barbarians!
Then they saw a Kronie admiral landing on the port.
Accompanied by three of those savages.
Carrying out his orders.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20479948
Hi OGsuner, this is a proposal for priority on making the trade roads. We agree those routes proposed by some risuner (ri2ner?), but to be more productive we have to prioritize construction. We should make four ports, and given our joint effort and considering your own trade necessities, we could divide management of each ports. The suggestion is on the map attached.

https://files.catbox.moe/lslfcd.png

We consider that making the route to kfp be the first priority as they are an ally of us. Road to /mep/ will come later, as we have to finish our deal of alliance even thought we consider it a done deal. Finally, the connecting road between the two routes should be made and then in between cities (or towns if a big scale population is against your desires) to facilitate the movement of trade convoys.

I will run this propose at my thread immediately after posting it here, I just wanted to answer the fast moving risuners here on /vtwbg/.

t.Gramps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20484056
What is this fan fiction trying to push now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20484647
NTA, but well, as it turns out being cannibal raiders is not great PR, even if you can change your foreign policy on a dime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20484647
Looks like trying to put Risuners against us for having a contractual relationship with /meat/? Or at least it reads like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20484647
>>20484793
Please think a little. I dont think that is written with any hostile intent, its just a relatively funny scene to imagine and an anon wanted to share it

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>>20484918
You think, it's very clearly written to have hostile intent. The Risuners see /meat/ as antagonists and are happy they stopped attacking them. Then /infinity/ shows up with some /meat/ workers and it's clear Risuners are not happy given they're refereed to as savages. Not to mention.

>Then
This is the key word that sinks your argument that this is just harmless fun and something a lot more insidious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20485047
meds stat

[Anonymous No.]

>>20484793
>Making /∞/ the bad guy again
I assume this will include a follow up where the /∞/ commander explaining to the Risuners that these 'barbarians' are reformed and wish to do an honest days work now, and one of /meat/ workers who took part in the raids apologize to the Risuners for their previous actions?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20485081
And you just proved me right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20484647
I'm not that anon but what do you mean fan fiction? It was part of the lore that /meat/ was raiding the coasts of hololive where risu is located. Someone is trying to write lore about that to explain the sudden change rather than just going "lol we don't care anymore about these people that have been attacking us for generations" not everything is a slight or insidious plan against you kronies . Honestly /meat/ being able to ally anyone makes no fucking sense but atleast someone is trying to make sense of it though lore

[Anonymous No.]

>>20485140
what? what did I prove right and how?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20485197
It heavily implies this is the start of a rift between /infinity/ and /risu/.
I won't stand for it unless a precise clarification is made.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20484755
>>20484647
>>20484793
Writer here
Bruh it was meant to lampshade how the people Risuners fought with before are now helping them build their roads

[Anonymous No.]

>>20485266
It doesnt imply that at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20485260
>Playing stupid now
You know what you did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20485278
dw anon, it's pretty clear what it is to medicated anons, this is just an overly jumpy kronie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20484005
Yeah, fair point. I did think it looked weird when I was writing them but, honestly, I couldn't be arsed to put in more effort. I definitely won't be doing this again next week after finalising the results for this round. Another thread can take over. If we even keep voting like this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20485266
Are you from /risu/? Are you allowed to throw a fit over some of the lore one of them might be writing ? you sound like you need meds dude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20485404
>>20485356
medschizo projecting...

[Anonymous No.]

>>20485316
I'm gonna assume you are either the anti-infinity schizo trying to make anons hate /infinity/ or actually mentally not sound

[Anonymous No.]

>>20483860
That video is a great resource on where to place minerals, although the issue with applying it to /morig/ is that /morig/ is a large igneous province, as noted in the geology analysis document. Basically, volcanism on /morig/ is caused by the plate sitting on a hotspot rather than plates crashing into each other. As such, the distribution does not follow the one mentioned in the video (which concerns orogens mostly).
According to wiki, LIP is associated with IOCG deposit Ni-Cu PGE and kimberlite (diamond). That said, you might still get some degree of porphyry copper and epithermal gold (as they come from hydrothermal vents, which the hotspot melts and brings up to the surface), but the concentration might be less dense than in orogen, since it's only melting a spot on the plate instead of the whole convergent boundary. For RL comparison, Madagascar seems fairly similar, so you might want to look into its mineral and gemstone deposit.
As for climate, /morig/'s climate will be primarily influenced by a cold current flowing between /morig/ and /risu/, while being on the path of monsoon generated by the holo continent. Combined with the ocean's moderating effect, the climate might end up being either tropical monsoon (Am, think Miami) and tropical savannah (Aw, think Manila or Havana), or monsoon subtropical (Cwa, think Hong Kong). Given the size of /morig/, it might well be a mix of three. Its land will likely be tropical seasonal forest, although shrubland and grassland can also be mixed in it, especially when human(oid) activities are taken into account. Wetland should be plentiful so you might get some residual mineral deposit in the swamp beneath the woodland. Then again, it's not like our tech level can utilise bauxite.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20485278
If you're going to write something like this, don't have it writen where it can be taken the wrong way.

>>20485312
>The fuzzy people were overjoyed at first
>Then...

[Anonymous No.]

>>20485437
Why are you projecting? What did /infinity/ do to you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20485437
its hard to tell some times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20485516
Nice, thanks for the insight! Is this the wiki you have in mind? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_igneous_province#Correlations_with_LIP_formation
I'll re-write taking this into consideration.

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>>20485536
Given a choice between two interpretations, one implying hostility and one not, a sane person would assume the one that doesn't imply hostility to be the one intended, unless there is clear evidence pointing otherwise. And no, a choice of a single word in a story is not clear evidence, not to a sane person.

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>>20485278
Well, with that everything is cleared up so please drop this topic and don't enter in a loop.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20485716
>A sane person
Way to poison the well and argue in bad faith.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20485813
Make work towards attempting to achieve sanity

[Anonymous No.]

>>20485649
It is, although /morig/ sitting on a hotspot and thus is a LIP is climatebro's idea. This article also tells me Madagascar is (or rather, was) a LIP, but it might be too old to be a perfect fit. You might have to mix and match with newer LIP to see what you can dig up.
Also, damn, this thread is going fast.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20485829
Calm down medschizo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20485830
Noted! And yeah it is, too bad it's because of timeloops kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>20485830 (Me)
I'm stupid and forgot Hawaii exists.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20485905
Ahh right, the Mauna Loa is kind of the classic super-volcano, right? I'll have to look at Hawaii as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20485905
Iceland too. Iceland is largely an LIP

[Anonymous No.]

>>20485197
Why not? The inspiration of /meat/ when it comes to raiding also worked as pretty prolific traders, after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20486126
they could work like the jackals from halo

[Anonymous No.]

Seeing how anons with poor reading comprehension takes a joke story as a threat, one has to wonder why get into fights often

[Anonymous No.]

>>20486126
Forgive me but what is meats inspiration ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20486450
ESLchama... but you are right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20486560
Vikings (I know, that's a job and not a culture) are the original inspiration when it comes to raiding, although Aztecs are also thrown in when it comes to culture since we got put in the tropics. Vikings might be infamous as raiders, but they're also successful traders, so I think that shows raiding and trading can coexist, so /meat/ being able to make friends while still conducting raids (maybe not against the same target, but still) shouldn't be too strange given the early modern period. Plus, OOCly, /meat/ raids (and trades, for that matter) are only as successful as the other threads want to, so how /meat/ interacts with them can easily be tailored for each case.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20486687
Its 4am here me brain cant think straight

[Anonymous No.]

>/meat/ writes brilliant lore.
>/meat/ have no problem to play along with everyone while keeping their identity.
>Suddenly /meat/ becomes a problem for whatever reason.
Why is this thread like this?
(disclaimer: this is a joke)

[Anonymous No.]

here's /risu/ so far. risuners weight in. what should i call the cities? (all significant cities have a ??? over them)

[Anonymous No.]

>>20487218
Tree gives me big Secret of Mana vibes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20487218
Looks quite nice! I would suggest giving northwest some trees too, though. Should be less dense than the east, but denser than the southwest (which looks about right).

[Anonymous No.]

The issue I have with magitek etc. isn't a problem with realism, it's the problem with constant technological escalation. Let me explain.

We're in a punk history setting. I'm fine with something like Vitubium boosting i.e. agriculture in /risu/ up till pre-industrial era, just get creative with it.

But the moment you let people do factories, airplanes, teleportation devices with it, you'll start for every. single. thread pushing further and further. In other words, I'm alright with fantasy being used to balance threads UP to the tech level.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20487320
This. I think we should still have a set upper limit for technology or its equivalents. Nasa would be an exception.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20487218
You should post it in risu

[Anonymous No.]

>>20487297
like this? we still need names

[Anonymous No.]

>>20487218
Total warhammer 2 vibes of burning down the sacred tree

[Anonymous No.]

>>20488038
Wouldn't Avatar be a better comparison?

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw put together a shader to generate a heightmap dynamically from the elevation map without needing to fuck around in Paint.NET
>tfw my face is a globe
I humbly suggest that we continue using the same color palette in future maps and save in lossless formats.
Pole proposals coming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20489223
There's one problem
The seafloor elevation map is still broken. Like there's an island on the very tip of a seabed elevation
We fixed land elevation but oceanic ones are still busted

[Anonymous No.]

>>20489223
1. Remove the new landmass
2. Create 2 straits
Those are the most fair options

[Anonymous No.]

>>20486835
>so /meat/ being able to make friends while still conducting raids (maybe not against the same target, but still)
Yes thats true and kind of the issue. A lot of the trading partners they have are the ones they would have been raiding or are close to one who were raided. It would make sense for them to trade with /nasfaq/, /ahoy/ , /infinty/ , and the ninjis would make sense but /risu/ , /mep/ and the others in that hololive ocean would have been their primary raiding targets , assume /meat/ was getting past /morig/, which makes making them their trading partners a little odd. Now I'm not here to tell them how to write their lore or do diplomacy but I do think its a little weird

[Anonymous No.]

>>20489342
Oh yeah it's all over the fucking place, especially the indie continent, but me having to do some hand-tweaking is to be expected. This just helps me get changes from the official maps into the projected texture faster.
>>20489363
Ey I don't make choices, I make models. Vote on it when it's time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20489436
/meat/ got to get past by /morig/ because >>20482133
They are employed under /infinity/. So it's officially /infinity/ doing these visits with /meat/ officials assisting them.
They would probably take this opportunity to pull a pic related

[Anonymous No.]

>>20487320
Ya I also agree with this. I'm find with /ggg/, /luna/, /meat/ and and even something in the middle like /morig/ getting magictek and magic but /nasa/ and /infinty/ are already at the top of the food chain technologically and shouldn't have access to magic or be able to use magictek to boost themselves even further. Magic and Magitek should be the thing that balances things to allow other nations to compete with those that already have a built in advantage

[Anonymous No.]

>>20489436
/∞/ Super bowl shuffle when?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooT_uz--O2A

[Anonymous No.]

>>20489828
>You kidnapped my uncle ten years ago
>Here. Have a cocoa

[Anonymous No.]

>>20489828
Oh my bad. i didn't mean this right now. I mean assuming they were able to get past /morig/ on raiding trips. Though this does beg the question of how would /infinity/ get them there? Does /infinity/ have ships on the other side of the ID peninsula past the /nasfaq/ straits ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20489973
Meant for
>>20489828

[Anonymous No.]

>>20473111
>>20475327
are there set structures ffor these votes, ie. every week we vote on a list of Y/N Questions?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20490027
Considering that /inf/ and /meat/ are divided by the landmass that contain /risu/
My chronological historical event headcanon would be
>/inf/ ships were going through nasfaq straits
>contact with vikings
>report back home
>/inf/ sends their adventurer-diplomat to visit the neighbours such as /risu/
>diplomat's adventures in /meat/ happens
>diplomat returns home
>returns to /meat/ to set up an official relationship
>brings back mercenaries home
>/inf/ government realize the trip through the niji straits is too long
>finds a way to shorten the trip without going through niji continent
>/risu/ accepts their presence
>/inf/ now has a shortcut to the West by caravanning through /risu/
>with some of their ships on the other side
>/risu/ becomes the crossroad of meat-infinity relations
>kronii milk and cocoa exchange

[Anonymous No.]

>>20489436
I'd imagine that given the naval capacity of /nasfaqg/ and likely matters of personal slight against the trader whose territory is getting raided that /meat/ raids would have been sometimes met with brutal retaliatory counter-raids. I'd imagine this would eventually work out to a status quo of the raids being rare since there were better targets and keeping a trading relation was simply more convenient.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20490435
And nuts!

[Anonymous No.]

>>20490435
Also /meat/ now treats /risu/ as a friendly now due to /∞/.

>>20490027
Yes, they'll use traditional sailing ships for defense and trading, and maybe some steamships depending the fuel sitution. But does /risu/ have any coal?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20490441
Ya and /nasfaq/ is so divided that a raid against one of them doesn't inherently represent an attack on all of them
>>20491303
I was under the impression that your steamships were ironclads and were only of use in your costal waters around your island

[Anonymous No.]

Speaking from PPT
Proposal for all northern sea nations
Let us form a trade league which will be mutually beneficial and guarantee the independence of it's members.
Aim 1 will be to secure naval peace for the sea turning it into a great fortress with which we can entrust our backs.
Aim 2 will be to secure economic prosperity for all members. Food trade will be essential for our cold lands.
Aim 3 protecting independence
This is not a formal alliance and will not be involved with minor disputes or border clashes but we will defend each other in major defensive wars

I wish to base it on the real world Hansa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanseatic_League
Which also works for being within the Holo sphere, equivalent to HRE.

I know 90% of you guys don't post much but I thought it would be a fun idea I couldn't hold it back. And it feeds into the new landmass discussion. In short, if we were to align our trade policies we could let ShishiLamy have the one straight, control who we wanted to tax and create a peaceful trade sea which would be more of a league lake.

The only problem left, the great enemy, is the ice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20492196
Another thing I was thinking along these lines is that, while ShishiLamy controlling the one straight looks like they hold enormous power, there are certain choke points a nation could hold that would counter theirs. Worst case scenario we get into a tariff war and kill the trade. However the possibility of there being a war in the first place proves simply holding the straight aren't the keys to the sea trade. By just the threat of policing and taxing these points here we can work out a friendly deal between us to relax the taxes.

As for the two straight option there's no downside however I simply think it's geography looks unappealing. Stories of braving the "schizo straight" do sound appealing however.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20492627
This is why you need a second strait through schizo wastelands, to break up this controlling power

[Anonymous No.]

At best /nasa/ will use vitubium for very basic gravity manipulation inside the space station stadium for zero-g recreational sports, dances, and events. At worse we found a new element to use in nuclear fusion. The only thing close to magic /nasa/ will have is very light gravity manipulation via micro black holes/wormholes. The wormholes will be useless for travel because they'll kill you if you try to squeeze through them. That's how small they are.

[Anonymous No.]

Infinity's canal debacle made everyone realized how fucked the trading routes are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20491764
Early steamships were hybrids ships, where they have both sailing rigs and a steam engine. Pic related is what they look like your average frigate of the era, except it has a smokestack.
Before you get worried about anything. These early steamships require a lot of fuel to use the steam engine so unless the sitution requires it, the steamships rely on their sails for travel. Plus the engine itself only gives a slight speed advantage over sailing ships of the era, so speed is not a factor. Overall the steamships would have a short operational distance, and because fuel (coal in this case) takes up most of their hold, they would not be practical for commercial shipping fleets. At best it would be used to transport small, but extremely valuable goods, or ferry VIPs and diplomats and make most of the journey by sail anyway. So /nasfagq/ doesn't need to worry about these ships undercutting their business.

Those drawbacks are why I said any streamships deployed to aid /risu/ would be entirely situational on if /risu/ has fuel to maintain them.

As for the ironclads, those are 100% constrained to the main island and are not ocean worthy. Plus any worry about a work around I.E. /∞/ building a shipyard on another continent that is capable of producing them, is null because of fear that the shipyard would be captured and used to produce ironclads that would then be used against /∞/ and their allies.

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>>20492849
Look at the map I'm telling you even a second straight would be just another choke point. If a nation is worried about overseas taxation they must control their own chokepoint or show force.
Are you a northerner?
Instead you could join the trade league and harness this controlling power to do battle with the southern traders!

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>>20493481
Who mentioned anything about taxation? The new map fucks over of the western states because they now how to circle all the way around to get to western holo countries now.

Land was arbitrarily added, there is no reason it can't be changed.

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>>20493481
OR, create a full trade route through the northern sea with two straits and thus, have a viable alternative to the southern trade route instead of bragging about the fact you have a giant lake with one entrance.

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>>20492627
>>20492196
>making shishilamy a kingmaker since they control the one canal for this trade league
you fucking idiot

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>>20493481
>Wants to start a trade league
>Also says everyone should go to war with the member that owns the choke point
Just do two straits. Schizo wasteland doesn't even have people in it so it's free territory.

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>>20492627
Good breakdown. I'd also like to mention again that with the width it will end up being, it would be very difficult for shishilamy to actually fully control the strait with the current tech level.

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>>20494203
>>20492627
The major flaw here is those aren't choke points if you look at the scale where it's a 100km or more distance between land.
Most ships could just sail past any of those bases uncontested.

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>>20494291
Precisely. The only time they'd be contested is if a mobilized fleet was waiting for them.

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>>20493560
Ah I see what you're saying. I do want to hear what western states have to say. My intention is not to talk from a "powerful=good" autist point of view but from an aesthetic sense. What would be the most interesting for the world's lore. I am for a dangerous northern passage as long as it looks good.
>>20493727
There is no league king, free passage for members would be a matter of course. What downside would there be for ShishiLamy refusing this policy? We all have our own smaller navies of course, we can exert pressure. And what I wanted to show on the map was that it would be very easy.

I'm speaking to what seems interesting to me lorewise. Don't know why you're getting angry.
>>20494204
>>20494291
Okay you've convinced me.

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>>20494442
I'm from a general that's not near the northern countries, but this new land is a raw deal for the western ones since it means they're entirely land locked except for one canal, which they'd have to sail all the way too, and then around to get to whatever destination they want in the world. Whereas the original map they could just freely travel out.

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>>20494682
Well, you might call that autism. But if you projected the original map on a globe, all those nations were completely locked onto an even smaller inland sea without a strait.

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>>20494778
The original map was rarely used and also most of the northern countries were just arbitrarily placed there by Nuetralfag.
They've suffered enough as is and deserve free sea travel.

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>>20494682
>>20495045
You know the whole time I was thinking of the sea as a kind of Baltic sea.
The absolute size didn't occur to me.
I would still like to keep my dream of a league alive to keep a western passage safe from the schizo.

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>>20495162
It's even bigger than that since the map we're using is earth sized.

>>20480780
The sea might be the size of Europe.

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>>20495358
The northern sea is defiantly bigger than Europe.

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>>20495162
The world map is fucking huge. Infinity larger than Spain, France and Germany combined

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>>20495358
>>20495412
I'd say they're similarly sized, look for yourself. Europe is a bit bigger, depending on how you include nordic and Mediterranean countries.

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>>20496365
I didn't think ∞ was that far north.

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>>20496365
My brain immediately thought that looked like a butt, I'm so dumb...

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>>20496488
Oh, I moved it. I just eyeballed it for now, still need to get /inf/'s approval. The were concerned with not being cold enough with the 15 degree latitude shift.

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>>20496554
Just the northern part needs to be cold like option B.
>>20478794

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>>20492627
The other problem is the passages will be frozen over so you might not be able to travel through the full sea except for maybe summer, and that's a big maybe.

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>>20496554
Wouldn't that also make them smaller?

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>>20496610
Aight, if that means we don't need to move /inf/ that's fine, if that means we need to move it however many degrees upward that's fine too, just gotta figure out a number.
>>20496676
Yeah, if clocks want the island can be scaled to stay the same size though all the countries are a bit big as is.

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>>20496787
I'd rather we stay the same size and not get shrank.
There was a bloody incident over /∞/ getting shank without notice before.

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>>20496905
We get lots of bloody incidents kek. As I said none of those changes are happening without the /inf/ rep okay, I just moved it so I remember that's a thing while I work.

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>>20497183
>We get lots of bloody incidents
Perhaps, but this was the one where we scalped the previous GM. So it was pretty big, even for us.

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I miss nue...