/nasfaqg/ - NASFAQ General

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/nasfaqg/ - NASFAQ General - Holofes Edition Deux Electric Bogamoon

Thread for the discussion of NASFAQ, a financial market simulator based on holding of coins that represent the members of hololive and some of their mamas.
This is a fake stock market game meant for FUN, not a real stock market (cryptofags will not be happy here either, no real money involved, NO you won't get better at stocks from this).

https://nasfaq.biz/info - READ THIS. No seriously read it, faggot.

Research 1: https://schedule.hololive.tv/
Research 2: https://holo.poi.cat/
Research 3: https://hololive.jetri.co/

F.U.C.K. Reports (Market-based reports, updated daily): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/104gsM_vZz1MuhJxfuYeT_xNFC1Qk1h7zeLVoCyFsrSw/edit?usp=sharing
"real oshiboard" spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1c-ioaVcHWb4kMHXF8kqND9mZ_O84P-xLzbDoY-JGmrk/edit?usp=sharing
https://files.catbox.moe/jhccbu.webm (unembed)
(nene love) (holo love) (mori love) (ina love) (simple as)
revised Haaton wallet analyzer sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ou-iTo4fF9YcPWKZZtqsG-SjUJDWBJ20Wxrrwc2-he8/edit?usp=sharing
temporary returns report archive: https://rentry.org/37e66

Mikofag's humble attempt to archive some of the thread OC:
https://mega.nz/folder/NeQghDqL#mSL13SdqKjKgYVjFCgF6Iw
Thread Lore:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BNIA50Z2vw4pS6gLbxyTL5trAfIo-Uo22womorcx-7o/edit?usp=sharing

Previous thread: >>20544586

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>>20713579

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>>20611827
As others have already mentioned in the thread, inflation wasn't really that important back then since it didn't affect the market like it does now, the main objective right now to factor into long term investments would be tracking individual inflation per coin and figuring out if it will stay consistent for them, for example AKI$ has not inflated at all after reaching $11k and is currently hovering around that price.
I'm interested to see how the market will change once options get added.
I really do care about the thread but, I also don't want to trick people... I can only keep repeating that I won't reveal myself and hope that it's enough to not let someone build up wrong expectations, sadly, I cannot simply put my trust on anyone, but there have already been exceptions with me talking privately with you and Applause, so I'm not going to fully close that door.
>>20631553
I'm checking the thread from bed, so your review will have to wait awhile, but I'll get to it!! You have my word!
>>20706999
While that might seem like the best option currently, you need to separate your possible plays, long-term and short-term, you can't simply ignore one of them to focus on the other, furthermore, as I said above, you are going to have to find a way to evaluate the inflation per coin to choose if it's actually better to hold that coin or use it for short-term plays and then reinvest into other things.
>>20708123
Stay strong, and don't be afraid to post in the thread!! It's pretty empty lately, so it's not like you are interrupting something with blog posting, please take care.
>>20709122
I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one, if it's a legitimate way to make money I don't see why people would ignore it, at worst it's going to get the same treatment as my posts, I talk about averages and how to milk trades, yet most people don't really care and get by channeling their inner grug to buy red and sell green, which is totally fine! I can see the same happening to options, grug won't know how to min-max them at first, or maybe ever, but grug knows that using them on meta coins like MORI$ should be good, and if not, grug can always laugh at the bog like spaghet did.
And honestly, all you need is the returns report, before it came out most in the thread regarded day-trading as something only the new players did, but once you saw Miyatsuko getting $100M+ suddenly everyone wants to day-trade again, just wait for them to pull a huge profit with options and people will start using them, it's a very good report and I'm very thankful for it! Being able to track how you are doing each week and seeing how the changes you make affect your income is the best, which begs the question of, why didn't honk implement something like this? It really is a game changer.

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>>20718635
>why didn't honk implement something like this?
Honkler can't even get the site to show the proper % change on adjustment. They're WAY behind on the information compilation game. Numbers Review has existed so long for a reason. If honk put that shit in the game itself I'd be packing up and going dark the same day.

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>>20718635
oi wanker I should've kept buying Ayame damn it

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>>20599802
>>20718635
>It's interesting, you seem to have a good understanding of multicoin for buying and abusing 0% coins on buys, yet your sells are very bad.
Surprisingly, this week on the Returns Report I've managed to end up 4th on the Trading Overview (3rd if you look at the Trading Profit column alone) so clearly my sells mustn't be that bad. I did plan my trades around a month or so ago and I'm currently on the trading part, so, unfortunately, I no longer remember how or why I decided on my current strategy for selling. I can tell you however that it's fairly similar to the one for buying, just "mirrored". Probably done that way for simplicity. In any case, I'd be interested in hearing what made you think those sells were very bad, since I don't believe you to be wrong yet the strategy appears to work in practice. Am I missing something from the bigger picture here or is there an inadequacy in the way the Return Reports are presented? I'd love to know your opinion on the matter.
As a side note, I'm expecting to drop from the Trading Overview the following weeks for personal reasons, so if you wanted to check for ones other than this week's look at the those from the past month (last 3, I think) as those match the timeframe I've been implementing this selling strategy.
>talking privately with Tri and Applause
Trying to make people feel jealous? kek

>>20708123
Don't worry about blogposting, anon. Anyone who complains can go fuck themselves. Please take care of yourself.

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>>20718635
>deadbeats grooming the smart fandead
deadbeats once again proving they are an universal menace

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night, /nasfaq/!

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>>20723783
Good night wife

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I am falling for the "ain't selling" FUD once again

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>>20725723
Divs are shit, you make more money seeling than waiting for divs

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>basis
So a long while ago the devs wanted to add a feature that implemented "oshicoins" where you could convert your oshi's coins into cosmetic coins that didn't provide dividends. This would replace the oshiboards with holders of that cosmetic coin rather than the real coin. This was also met with heavy backlash because divs were the meta and people were poor. Do you think something like that would help smooth out things in this meta?
>rework
Personally I think the idea was and still is flawed since losing divs from your presumably highest stack is something most active players would not engage with. I do think the idea could've been played around with more before getting completely scrapped tho. Keeping the oshiboard being cosmetic coins should be implemented to give oshicoiners a renewed passion in the game and players something to do. The coins can have the same/slightly less divs as normal coins. Maybe even give buyers of the cosmetic coin a small tax break (4.25% tax instead of 4.5%). Have the punishment be that you can't sell the cosmetic coins, which is in line with oshicoining and isn't as punishing as having no divs.

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>>20727108
Isn't this basically the prestige mechanic of cod? Anyway I don't see it really working, or at least being used.
>reduced divs
Why punish player for using a game mechanic
>can't sell
Based but it's too much of drawback, especially with reduced divs

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just reduce the tax on multi selling to make it profitable

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>>20728367
multi selling is already profitable.

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Is there really no way to buy or sell without turning the game off? I going to reach 50m soon and its becoming a bother to play

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>>20729037
No server-side trader so no unless you make your own zhonkbot

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>>20729087
But I cant code... will just buy oshi from now on

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>>20717444
>444

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>>20729087
Seriously what is preventing honk from creating a trader that doesn't require to run your PC 24/7. I'll even throw an idea for honk if he doesn't want everyone to fully use a server-side trader.
An item/feature that we can buy for a ridiculously high price, or a gacha item with a stupidly low RNG that will let us run a server-side trader for a maximum of 12 hours daily, 6 hours daily if 12 hours sound overkill for honk.
>just don't turn off your PC and stop being poor
>show wallet
Well fuck you too
>honk maybe has a lot of things planned other than what she already promised us for the anniversary and for the next update, just wait patiently
I wouldn't know if she goes radio silent, doesn't update us about the progress of her promised plans or whatever more plans she's planning on dropping, and I've been waiting for god knows how many months already, EVERY BIG UPDATES. There's also no stopping her from dropping the updates one by one if she is that busy and has a lot of new features she wanted to add
>honk has a job she really cant fully focus on the game
I KNOW. That's why I'm still playing despite all my complaining

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>>20731573
I took the comfy sleep pill.
I let nasfaq run if I'm online anyways but I stopped giving a fuck about cycles altogether and just shut down my PC overnight so it won't wheeze and rack up my electricity bill even more than home office does.
I actually sleep better now, too. Yes, feels shitty to live in a trash apartment, I was planning to move but then COVID happened and now I need a new job as well due to boomers hating the shy autists and you just can't beat 400 bucks in a big city. Inflation makes that even funnier.

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>>20731573
One problem people brought up is the fact that with a server-side trader the cost of the server will go up

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>>20732011
Wish my autism would also let me take the sleep pill. I keep minding if my trader's on and if my PC's still on and keep waking up at broken times. Good luck on finding a new job Mikofag
>>20732041
I don't really think the server cost would really shot up that much if server-side trader does happen. If it does, I will be sure to donate because this is something I've been waiting for so long already

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>>20732011
maybe it is time to take the comfy pill too.

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>>20732011
>I let nasfaq run if I'm online anyways but I stopped giving a fuck about cycles altogether
time to also do this

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My credits..

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>>20718635
>talking privately with you and Applause
I fucking hate deadbeats

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FUCKING DESTINY 2

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>>20713579
i have some magical sands stuff going on aswell, is this tampa

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>>20732011
This. Shutting down your pc saves you money on electricity, cus electricity price has risen atleast 3x. Furthermore, you will sleep better at night without computer noises.

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>>20713579
I wish the same but honestly I have very little actual understanding of the market despite myself ranking quite high on the trading rankings so there isnt much I can actually provide to others in terms of information
I would be very interested in hearing about your magical sands

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>>20736771
jesas it's been almost a year that I didn't do this. About time I start going back to normal electricity consume

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just be based and eat the sand

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>>20736948
sounds like something pagibot would do

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>>20713579
I love this image

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>>20731573
The matter with me aren't even updates, it's just honk's transparent opinion at everything. I hope he comes out to us and give us strong opinions about what he think about the people's ideas or at least tell us which is out or which isn't. Like if the server-side is impossible and not being taken into account.

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>>20738819
pretty stupid of any devs to do that desu.

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>I'm not the only one, who doesn't understand shit about the market and is confused with all those advanced discussions
Phew, and here I thought that I'm just retarded.

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>>20739057
that's true, for the transparent opinion and it mattered the most during the timeloop arc but now, it doesn't really matter. It's just a me issue now, but honk should really tell us straight about the server-side trader since it's being asked to death since 6 months ago. The only one that didn't escape the timeloop arc.

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Ohhhhhh I have to go cum

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HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONK

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Pagi!

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lel

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Like a glint from the blue, here's a quick Morning Review.

Top 3 Upwards Adjustments (of 19)
>Hololive :: $6,546.18
>Lui :: $6,543.58
>Subaru :: $6,227.44

Top 3 Downwards Adjustments (of 43)
>Calliope :: -$20,074.97
>Kiara :: -$12,900.60
>Miko :: -$11,160.53

Overall Average Adjustment is -$1,408.72
Average Upward Adjustment is $2,259.70
Average Downward Adjustment is -$3,029.64

I guess this is the new adjustment time? Honk?
Anyway, don't get baited, pick up some good deals, and keep an eye on the market.

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Good morning, I am buying Towa 10x.

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post 'em

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how's my retardation

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>>20740606
post bussy

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>>20740416

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>>20740416
time to buy the jogger of japan again

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How retarded am I? also im just selling lamy, polka and nene cuz I dont have liquids

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>>20730743
>>20736769
>>20736920
Having to put all of it into words might prove difficult, a lot of them are gut feelings and ideas on how the rest of the player-base reacts.

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>>20741537
If you have the energy and the will to do it, please do it, but dont take stress from it. Take your time.

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how's my retardation

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Why do I even check cosplay threads anymore

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Miyatsuko, are there any new fags or people not in your group that you are looking to recruit? aka: Are there any traders you have your eyes on?

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>>20730743
whats with these gifs? Did someone found a new walfas?

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>>20741797
We're stuck playing Melee with an Ultimate sized roster. I'll give it a try, but probably not today.

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I will win the race

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>>20743316
10x Multicoin
Mori only
Final Destination

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>>20743057
Mikochi commissioned the dude or something

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anyone else interested in the race?

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>>20747667
Race?

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>>20705476
As I said, I think that the Mori meta is basically self-perpetuating due to overbought/high volume. On the other hand, she's inflating much slower than other coins the last time I checked... which is why she gives better returns on paper.
Don't get me wrong, she's amazing, just a bit worse than people think.
>>20708123
I hope you're doing alright after 14 hours, anon. Don't be afraid to take a bit of time off to process everything and go through it in your head.
>>20713579
Schizo ramblings are good. They bring in new ideas. Clapbrain love.
>>20718635
>If it's a legitimate way to make money I don't see why people would ignore it.
It is quite simple: from the way it was described, it is the only mechanic that would involve an actual market-like player-to-player trading. That means that if one person gains, the other has to lose - what's even more, Honk wanted for a part of it to be taxed.
Now think about it. How many players would understand this system, and how many players would like to, for example, enter into an options contract with a player who is known to be good at it? The system assumes there's someone who will offer the deal and someone who will accept it, so in order for it to work, both sides need to be confident that such an action is profitable.

If it was a player-vs-broker system though... players would use it and they would milk it, as every other mechanic in the game.

The reason why something like the Returns Report itself wasn't initially implemented was due to the fact that early leaderboard accurately described your performance. It was only after due to inflation and accumulation of wealth that this picture became extremely obscured. And, to Honk's credit, he did add the Benchmark after Miyatsuko first started to experiment with the idea of indicating total returns over a week's period, we just broke it down further into key components.
>>20729037
Sadly no. We desperately need a server-side trader, several people quit over this.
>>20742928
The matter hasn't been brought up, but we haven't actively recruited i.e. looked for anyone in particular since the group's "official" debut. There's an e-mail in the announcement, or Nasfaq DMs if you're interested. This is also a personal opinion but I didn't want to further expand if it came at a cost of removing possibility for potential competition. I'm still waiting for a rival group so there can be a friendly rivalry../

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>>20741537
i sent you a message, im busy playing mental omega right now though

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>>20740055
Post your trades.

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>>20718635
>And honestly, all you need is the returns report, before it came out most in the thread regarded day-trading as something only the new players did, but once you saw Miyatsuko getting $100M+ suddenly everyone wants to day-trade again, just wait for them to pull a huge profit with options and people will start using them
Holy dicksuck, you might as well say you want to join matsukase at this point

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>>20736920
>>20741537
you guys too? I still don't know how to read POI

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>>20749303
check vids with high live views, then check youtube to see the VOD

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>>20749250
>Muzukashi are getting their dicks sucked by smart fandead
AAAAAAA I HATE THE ZAIBATSU

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>>20749303
if you dont want to look at a graph, instead just check each channel and see if they streamed yesterday before midnight gmt
those will be your sub and view spikes, if the stream was after midnight gmt but before adjustment, it will be on tommorrows adjustment
this is why the "19th hour" meme is a thing, its when the api is adjusted everyday

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>>20748091
>As I said, I think that the Mori meta is basically self-perpetuating due to overbought/high volume. On the other hand, she's inflating much slower than other coins the last time I checked... which is why she gives better returns on paper.
Not even basically - it IS permanently self-perpetuating now. She regularly tops 30 and 7 day viewcounts, and is close to the top for 30 and 7 day subcounts. Her rate of inflation is significantly slower than everyone else purely due to volume - she's hit a kind of critical mass that's exposed a flaw in how volatility is adjusted.
Sands TL;DR To "fix" the meta, volatility needs a kind of horseshoe modifier. This will further break the meta - coins towards the middle of total subscriber count are - in my opinion, the least "viable" coins in the game - with some exceptions and outliers.

The Soda cycle is a meme. It doesn't exist in any meaningful way. The Brap cycle is very real, except the Brap cycle is broken now. The original Brap cycle had ample opportunity for SELLING Mori - poorfagpac regularly dumped Mori out to 0. Mori's subticks can also break the Brap cycle further. If she gets a 10k subtick on a downbrap - it just cancels it out and you metaphorical "you" - Deadbeats + cypher need not apply - and retards too I guess "lose an opportunity" to 10x Mori.

She'd need a 10k subtick + an upbrap for selling her to ever be viable. Has selling Mori BEEN viable lately? No.

Assuming she kept the same monetary dividend value she had this week - $3165.07 - she'd still have paid the highest dividend % even if the coin price was $36,505 on Friday. You'd need like $50k Mori to even consider selling.

Speaking of which, sort NASFAQ by total subscriber count, descending. The best coins are at the top and the bottom.

>>20749303
Reading poi is easy Anon. The only "hard" part is because it's kind of broken sometimes and the "Last Day" viewcount is sometimes fucked up - it shows 2 days views.

LDN = Last Day Views on NASFAQ
TVN = Total Views on NASFAQ
TVP = Total Views on poi

TVP - TVN > LDN = Going Up
TVP - TVN < LDN = Going Down

Subticks, overbought, and oversold notwithstanding. That is also the extent of the "math" involved in posting these https://i.warosu.org/data/vt/img/0183/09/1644819179522.png - the "hard" part is just remembering to either keep a poi tab from 9 AM open without refreshing it, or copy/pasting the data from NASFAQ market view and getting it to "line-up"

>>20750049
View cut-off is 5 PM though, and HOUR NINETEEN is more like 1 AM lately.

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>>20748091
Mori hijinks may not be the most truly optimal decision, but my biggest issue with it is the fact that you’ll still be good/fine dealing with Mori hijinks. To climb at the highest levels, you’ll need the most optimal plays you can get but many don’t play at that optimal level required and further makes it harder to climb for newer players, I think Asdae and Bateman are the two “new” players to reach the top 50 and they’ve been performing well for ages on top of multiple top 50 players not caring/quitting above them. As time goes on, this wall and barrier of entry grows, and the simplicity and yet effectiveness of Mori hijinks along with inflation/appreciation of wallets just makes the game feel very flat leading to the stagnation of the game.
In other words, The core issue is that you can’t go “wrong” with Mori. Other metas like Gura/Rushia eventually went “wrong” (due to dev intervention) but Mori has been like this for months, it feels very stagnant as I stated. Sure I can maybe trade better than nearly all the people around me for weeks, but I’ll likely be doing the same/similar things for months to pass them, which is unsurprisingly, not fun for me or likely many.

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>>20750252
Maybe make selling volatility different from buying volatility? This would incentivize selling high-volume coins (since the dips would last for a shorter time, while moons just keep on going) and buying of low-volume coins.

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>>20750838
>Maybe make selling volatility different from buying volatility?
Would only work in the aforementioned horseshoe scenario.
High Volume - High Buy Volatility, Low Sell Volatility
Low Volume - Low Buy Volatility, High Sell Volatility
and I wouldn't like it - it'd make the game very very boring - and further cement "middle" coins as garbage

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>>20750432
In the current market, you absolutely can go wrong with Mori. Most people overinvest into her, entering into trades that are simply suboptimal and won't give you returns within a reasonable timespan, or at all - all due to inflation making non-Mori coins much better than people assume.

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Mori can't be unfucked without NASFAQ's scraper intentionally accounting for the music channel bullshit, which isn't even consistent. Do I think she'd become a shitcoin overnight if she became a normal-function coin? Only as much as Suisei is, probably, so take that as you will.

With the state of the game as it is, the best decision for market health would be for the playerbase itself to start managing it, but good fucking luck getting people to not buy every red they see. We have returned to the argument of a few months previous: Downward adjustments aren't aggressive enough to offset how much people will buy when they see red, and volume is so high that $HOLO can adjust up literally 80k and it is impossible for the playerbase to sell it back down to pre-adjustment, even pushing record numbers for hourly volatility. That's a bit of an outlier case, but it's a well-defined example of how much the playerbase can push a price down.

I don't have a solution for this other than to evaluate the transactional volatility formula. I think the suggestion to make it based on a horseshoe pattern is worth exploring, but on a coin-by-coin basis, not on a macro level.

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>>20751165
If the volatility issues were fixed as well as scraper issues, she'd likely rise in price and become similar to Gura in terms of returns, meaning 30-40% less returns. I think that an one-time price hike would also be a compensation for diminished returns on further purchases.

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>>20748091
>The matter hasn't been brought up, but we haven't actively recruited i.e. looked for anyone in particular since the group's "official" debut. There's an e-mail in the announcement, or Nasfaq DMs if you're interested. This is also a personal opinion but I didn't want to further expand if it came at a cost of removing possibility for potential competition. I'm still waiting for a rival group so there can be a friendly rivalry../
Lies, I can see you lusting over every new promising newfag with your filthy jewish hands

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>>20752123
>he doesn't know about the deadbeat island

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>>20751005
I think you and I have different meanings of wrong here, I’m not saying you can’t be suboptimal with Mori or that you’re making reasonable returns in a reasonable timespan, it’s the fact that the ramifications of such actions are significantly smaller than for any other coin, especially if they’re not playing completely retardedly like 10x at 35k and instead only do such thing on braps. Even if a person overinvests and makes a lot of their wallet to oshicoin %s of Mori, they will not go “wrong”, they will not feel the impact of their actions when compared to many others who buy a large % of their oshi/other coins. If Tower or mogu held a shit ton of Mori and stopped playing, their ranks would be higher as a result of dividends. Sure, they might not get the benefits of their respective coins’ inflation but this has only really come into major effect after the removal of caps amplifying such things. It may not be the most optimal thing, nor even a good thing, it’s the fact that such unilateral action has nothing “wrong” with it. I buy one Mori at 16k, I will functionally now have made 15k worth of “profit” when the coin returns to base, a legitimate double your money scheme, and due to Mori’s strong dividends my investment at 16k will pay off in a far shorter time than any other coin. Even 10x buying lots of Mori at 26k may not be the most optimal thing, but the repercussions of such actions are on a smaller scale when compared to buying any other coin at said prices, and Mori’s the only coin where this can happen without really much thought. I do not lose much from such wild actions, especially when compared to many other coins as a result of Mori’s absurdly good and consistent numbers, and the music channel making so you have a free opportunity for purchasing the best coin in the game for an absurdly low price. You do not actively “lose” being suboptimal on Mori, you only actively lose on other coins, like shitcoins or other coins and not planning around them. I can be retarded and not be smart with Mori, but the margins of loss on my retardation is not the same level as one would experience with other coins. I do not deny that such retarded trades are suboptimal, it is merely the fact that those actions are not sufficiently punished like many other coins. Cypher’s retarded constant 10x is definitely not optimal, but it will not be punished within the same timespan it might be for any other coin.

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my first 1k coin!

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>>20753560
>>20753589
These posts being together is funny

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>>20752315
yeah I know about madagascar what's so special about it?

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>>20756446
lemurs

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Damn, remember these prices?

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Ok, but who the fuck is Mori?

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>>20760058
A broken money

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>>20760058
>mori

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>>20760058
You are buying her atm

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>>20760058
a rapper

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>>20760058
not a rapper

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>>20760058
a reaper

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>>20759656
Aw, it's not the soundpost. Dame!

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>>20760058
the jobber of japan

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>>20760058
The Jogger of Japan.

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>>20760058
the lean mean drinking machine

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Unmute me onegai

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>>20763820
What did you do?

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>>20763820
what did you do anon?

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>>20763897
>>20763910
Alting

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>>20764127
You mean abusing the game for additional funds? Alting should be legal, as long as you don't do anything unfair. You clearly did something wrong.

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>>20764127

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>>20764127
Did you launder money to your alt? I don't think honks mutes alts just because they are alt

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>>20764160
>Something that can only reasonably give you an unfair advantage should be allowed so long as it doesn't give you an unfair advantage.

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>>20764262
Some people alt cause it's fun being a newhag again

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>>20764127
>he got caught

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>>20764262
What the other guy said, you can alt to feel how the starting experience is again, or how it's changed with time, maybe you want to see how fast you can climb now that you know how to properly play the game, do a lambo rta%, and so on, using it to get additional money is not the only reason to make an alt

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>>20764262
Alting is really fun if you feel like the game's been stagnant for you. You wont believe how fun and refreshing it is to trade with solely just the buy and sell button for the first few weeks before using the auto-trader and all the while planning how to profit with adjustments, daytrade and not just buy like grug for dividends

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>>20764333
>>20764405
>>20764696
The best part of alting for me is being able to turn my pc off...

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>>20752123
I like talking about the gameplay and seeing people explore the abyss of resulting occult mechanics. Besides, if you look at the raw facts - the only person who joined Mitsubishi post-debut was the only person who applied.
>>20753560
I disagree, to an extent. Yes, obviously buying any coin at absurdly high prices will result in a short-term and a long-term loss due to inflation, but buying a coin like Anya at 10x will result in a loss, but... the loss will be smaller than buying Mori 10x due to Mori's price. Additionally, Cypher-type constant 10x would /technically/ break even (not profit!!!) on its taxes in 30 weeks or so... if we ignore that there are other coins and trades available which would give much higher returns as an alternative. Factor in inflation, and you will see that you will actually never recuperate those losses compared to alternative trades. Yet people will still blindly and stupidly buy her just because they think she is much better than she really is. She’s a coin you should probably always buy at or slightly above her average price. She isn’t a coin you should buy when she’s way overpriced. A large part of the current state of Mori and her inflated volume is due to players failing to understand that.
>>20753589
Congrats! I hope you're a deadbeat...
>>20760058
A cute dork. Picture related.

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>>20765942
that's avarice

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>>20766031
It always is.

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>>20764696
>>20764405
>>20764333
>He needs an alt account to make the game fun.
Quit playing like a metafag grugtard and maybe you won't burn yourself out as quickly.

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>>20766386
Refer to >>20765156

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I love fauna's voice

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>>20766862
I love saplings

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>>20766793
I don't leave my PC on specifically to play NASFAQ and I'm doing fine. I get roughly 80~110 cycles a day.

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>>20767041
Saplings are for bondage correction

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>>20767355
bondage is shit

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>>20767355
>saplings
>bondage
So, a bonsai, you say?

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>>20767568
shit pun

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>>20767568
good pun

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>>20767568
Priestess, please...

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>>20767568
Priestess, please ~

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>>20767921
No.

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East Aldenard Trading Co. are you here?
I just wanted to tell you that you can always ask in the thread for tading advices, me and others will be more than happy to help.

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19th hour, enjoy, etc.

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>>20769743
ooooooooooooooooooohh

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>>20769743
>19:00:00

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>>20769743
>19:00:00
Here, have a burger. You earned it.

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>>20769743
>19:00:00

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>>20765942
I agree that stupid cypher-level buying of Mori will be stupid and not actually gain an individual much and will likely result in net losses, but the margins of these losses are not as drastic as it would be for any other coin. On top of the fact many players aren't at the level of Cypher-grugness. It's the path of least resistance/thinking if you need to 0 out divs and buy a coin that won't fail you, it's not a matter of people thinking she's better than what she is, hell, most people don't want to buy Mori from what I can tell, it's the fact that you can't really fuck up with such simpleminded behavior.
>She’s a coin you should probably always buy at or slightly above her average price.
This is really my core issue with it as it stands, I do think that high number should equal high worth, but the same thing has happened in the past with Rushia/Gura which resulted in changes occurring to try and stop such unilateral things, but haven't occurred for Mori for months.

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>>20771557
NTA but I hear you 110% on the "reprecussions" for Mori.
If I forget to adjust multi-coin on Kiara: I AM FINANCIALLY RUINED.
If I forget to adjust multi-coin on Mori: oh no, more dividends.
I really don't want to buy more Mori at this point. Haven't gone higher than 6x lately and actually gradually need to move my "buy price" down. I'm going to lose my fucking crown at this rate.
Re: Devs/Rushia/Gura - I think "fixing" Mori would require a drastic overhaul of how the adjustment algorithm deals with "Susan" days. Any of the cockamamie ideas I could think of while typing this introduce more problems than they solve.

Have Mori "not adjust" when the API doesn't actually have new numbers for her
>Was everyone buying 10x yesterday? How do you handle how overbought she is?

Have "overbought" scale proportionally with a coin's volume. And by that I mean, the higher a coin's volume, the "stronger" the overbought mechanic corrects it back to the "baseline" black magic price honkler has.
>Unfair to single one coin out?
>Will result in low volume coins becoming PnD schemes...or even just Pump and Get Rich

Etc.

[Anonymous No.]

Like a bolt from the blue, it's time for the Numbers Review.
1 cycle lost today. Data collected at cycle 60.

Here's the R.I.C.H. report for today:
>Total Shares in circulation amount to 18,264,823, a 1.11% increase from yesterday's volume check 'em
>Average shares per coin is 294,594. There are 26 coins above this average.
>Calliope currently has the highest volume, at 1,673,942 shares, or 9.16% of market volume.
>Pochimaru currently has the lowest volume, at 41,498 shares, or 0.23% of market volume.

Top 5 Volume Increases (of 45):
>Melfissa :: +8.7%
>Mel :: +8.6%
>Noel :: +6%
>Nana :: +5.1%
>Botan & Kiara :: +4.8%

Top 5 Volume Decreases (of 17):
>Hololive :: -5.8%
>Ayame :: -5.1%
>Risu :: -2.8%
>Ollie :: -2.7%
>Amelia :: -2.4%

2 coins (Aki, Fubuki) had a net 0% change in volume today.
18 other coins (Baelz, Pochimaru, Iofi, Shion, Nabi, Rushia, Marine, Mio, AZKi, Koyori, Korone, Iroha, Moona, Haato, Subaru, Ayamy, Chloe, Kanata) had a sub-1% change in volume today.


Here's the R.I.S.E. report for today:
>Starting Liquid is estimated at $196,190.85, which is a decrease of 2.23% from yesterday's estimate.
>Total Market Value for today is $447,498,553,884.03, which is a decrease of 5.66% from yesterday's Market Value.
>Average Value per Share is $24,500.57. A total of 14 coins are above this average.
>Hololive currently has the highest value, at $55,500,685,536.78 in total market value, or 12.4% of market value.
>Pochimaru currently has the lowest value, at $309,866,395.96 in total market value, or 0.07% of market value.

Top 5 Value Gains (of 37):
>Sana :: +32%
>Lui :: +24.1%
>Risu :: +22.4%
>Subaru :: +18.7%
>Fubuki :: +14.9%

Top 5 Value Losses (of 25):
>Calliope :: -27.9%
>Koyori :: -25.8%
>Hololive :: -24.8%
>Kiara :: -22.9%
>Amelia :: -21.9%

1 coin (Suisei) had a net 0% change in value today.
21 other coins had a sub-1% change in value today.


Here's the F.R.E.E. report for today:
>Today's Superchats totaled to $1,187,004,956, which is an increase of 91.94% from yesterday's Superchats.
>The Broker made $1,146,703,123.24 today, an increase of 13.3% from yesterday's salary.

Top 5 Superchat Increases (of 31):
>Koyori :: +1000% No abayo; it was just a richfag donating $70m.
>Ollie :: +298.8% Also not an abayo, just a different richfag dropping $10m
>Kronii :: +14.7%
>Ayamy :: +13.9%
>Mio :: +11.1%


Here's the M.O.V.E. Report for today:
>2 coins (Civia, Reine) adjusted green, but are still trending upwards.
>1 coin (Amelia) adjusted red, but is still trending downwards.
>5 coins (Iofi, Nachoneko, Pochimaru, Rushia, Nabi) adjusted red, but are now above their pre-adjustment value.
>1 coin (Hololive) adjusted green, but is now below their pre-adjustment value.
>53 coins are on projected trend lines and have not intersected with their pre-adjustment values.

Top 5 Most Volatile Coins (per Hour Average):
>Hololive :: $1206.60 Down wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
>Calliope :: $819.97 Up
>Noel :: $668.53 Up
>Kiara :: $617.29 Up
>Miko :: $555.37 Up

Top 5 Least Volatile Coins (per Hour Average):
>Ayamy :: $1.75 Down
>Pochimaru :: $4.62 Up
>Haato :: $5.53 Up
>Nachoneko :: $7.95 Up
>Mio :: $8.25 Down

Overall Average movement was $60.56 per hour.
Average Upwards movement was $145.88 per hour.
Average Downwards movement was -$148.01 per hour.

The Financial Underwriters of Comprehensive Knowledge would like to remind you to stay informed, shitpost responsibly, FUD accurately, and please stop praying for Moricoin she's getting too powerful she broke out of the redzone and honk can't catch her.

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>>20772359
You do realize that if you make overbought stronger, further driving her price down, she'll become an even better coin, right? The issue with Mori is that constant overbought + high volume + scraper issues bog her down in the 20k-30k range, while with those divs she should be priced at around 45k, like Sui/Gura.

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I 10x Mori any time she costs 24k or less without a second thought in the world, that's retarded

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>>20774339
>The issue with Mori is that constant overbought + high volume
I am almost willing to guarantee you that overbought has fuck all to do with Mori's dips - because you can gauge how "powerful" it is on other coins. It does nothing.
It's going from 972k views to 68k...which isn't inherently a scraper issue, it's the API itself. All of the other coins operate on the "accumulate views for 24h" metric and sometimes Mori shows up for 48h straight with nothing and then gets 'em all at once.

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>>20774632
>overbought does nothing
You can very clearly see the evidence of overbought working across the market, and Mori in particular. On average during the last three weeks, her price went up by $6008 during the day due to players buying her, while her average adjustment totaled to -$6553.
During the same period, an the average coin value growth throughout the day was $785, while adjustments brought them down by -$731.

Overbought is keeping the prices from hyperinflating across the entire market.

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The heat of battle flared and faded day after day. The Machine and its cruel mockeries of human form were unrelenting, targeting the syndicate's members both within the confusing passages of the void and the familiar venues of the waking world. Many of the group's members fled into hiding, were swallowed up by the void's tendrils, or lay face down in a pool of crimson fluids. The tools of the Machine searched and searched; the days between finding their prey growing longer and longer but they did not tire or falter.

A dim light bulb swung slowly in the cellar of a forgotten estate. Casks of wine and barrels of stored nuts and meats were strewn about in the wake of an oil soaked automaton. It stood before a mighty iron door slamming its ramrod appendages against the scarred surface. The cheap metal of its "arms" warped and cracked as it repeatedly deepened the dent in the center of the door. The light overhead flickered and continued its pendulous motion.
Hours passed. The automaton's "arms" wore to useless stubs before it began using the "legs" supporting it to batter the metal between it and whatever lay beyond the door. In the hallways layered above the estate cellar, oil portraits of the presumed owner rattled and rocked on their mounts. The dignified face of the presumed owner was dwarfed by the exquisitely detailed and massive furred tail behind his torso.
At long last the crinkled body of the automaton crashed over the threshold into a dimly lit concrete room. The dull clank seemed to permeate farther than a human eye could see in the darkness. The murderous red gleam in the automaton's "eye" was in stark contrast to a dim aquamarine glow somewhere deep within. It beckoned.
The warped mess of metal steadily dragged itself across the raw floor; the metal made an ugly screech which drowned out the soft thrum of the enormous system which occupied the room. Strange banks which almost resembled bookcases flickered slightly as the lump of machinery drew itself past them toward the soft glow. Eventually, through a labyrinth of strange and foreign equipment, the heap of scrap lay before an even more peculiar construct.
A metallic and synthetic visage was illuminated by faint lights traced across wires of varying size and color. The wires stretched in all directions, behind and around the semblance of a human face, into a partial "torso" with stronger lights emanating from behind a synthetic protective plate. The countenance was expressionless and did not seem as though it even had the ability to do such a human thing.
The automaton, with its red glare, beheld the figure. For a long while there was no more activity in the room. The hum of glowing system continued as did the whirr of the automaton's motors, gears, and springs. The piercing red light began to fade slowly.

The smoke stack, long having poured dense black exhaust from its peak, stopped briefly. The man in his wheelchair set his glass of water down and gazed with amazement and curiosity as the smokestack started anew, first dispelling its familiar black soot then steadily lightening and clearing to a thin fog. The man nearly knocked over the book and glass from the table at his side as he wheeled about and raced down to the housing of his creation.

Tendrils flurried past the lone Apprentice, striking the three mechanized behemoths that pursued him. They hardly faltered before cutting down the dripping black appendages. Oil mixed with the trail of crimson before being swallowed up into the depth of the void.
Unable to bear the pain in his abdomen and negotiate the path ahead, he stumbled and fell crudely into a hard mass in the abyss. He turned, clutching the wound in his side, only to see the towering mechanisms looming above. The center monstrosity raised its sharpened appendage and it's fiery "eye" flickered in the blackness around it. The Apprentice shut his eyes and braced for a strike which did not come.

In the dim aquamarine glow of the cellar room of the forgotten estate, many constructs gathered. Each with a faint red light in it's "eyes" and an "offering" in its "hand". Machines, large and small, placed warped and crude facsimiles of sculpture before the synthetic figure wired to its elaborate metallic system. Masses of metal littered the concrete floor around the suspended torso. Beneath the torso, buried under a mass of wires and scraps, lay a plaque engraved with the letters P-A-G-I.

The wheelchair rested before the console of the man's creation. The punched tape had stopped flowing from its orifice for many minutes. The man curiously caressed the interface as he read the tape's message over and over again.

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>>20777745

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>>20777745

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>>20777829
Pagi... nyo...

[Anonymous No.]

In case I need to say it louder for those in the back: this is the conclusion of the zaibatsu themed loreposts. At least, I don't feel like there's much more that I could write. ThinkPad x PagiBot fanfic isn't exactly an inspiring story.
I'll be taking a break from loreposting for a while since real life is suddenly very important. Unless something really inspires me to start another long form story like this, I'll probably stick to shorts and one-offs when I have the time.

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>>20778788
Godspeed, lorefag. Hope everything goes well.

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>>20778788
Sent you a message about the stories, actually, check your DMs. I hope everything works out for you.

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>>20776989
>On average, prices, adjustment, blah blah blah.
Numbers-chama, that isn't what I mean at all.
The point I am trying to make is that dropping more than 900k views from one day to the next is why Mori isn't skyhigh. Overbought just drags her down (ever so slightly) between "big" view updates.
>Overbought is keeping the prices from hyperinflating across the entire market.
Maybe, but then we come back on the "overbought and hiatuscoins crabbing" timeloop.

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>>20777829
>THE MACHINE WILL WAIT FOREVER IF THE MACHINE MUST.␀

[Anonymous No.]

>>20779193
Just release Mori at her 'true' price. If she stays at 40k or 45k she'd be just another top coin, same as all other performers.

You keep talking about irregular "big" updates, but they should skyrocket her price. Do you know what was Mori's largest adjustment in the past two weeks? +$4039. And that was on a day where she got 1,000,000 views (3/17) compared to yesterday's 85,000.

+915,000 daily views difference for mere +4k adjustment.

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>>20779038
Things should go well, I just need to focus on them instead of posting stories on a Malaysian pottery forum for a little while.
Someone else could certainly step up to the plate in the meantime if they put their mind to it!

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>>20780024
Are you looking at her adjustments in a player-less vacuum? What was her price 24 hours before she adjusted +$4039 - as opposed to immediately prior to?

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>>20780253
17k. That means players increased it by 10k during the day.

But, mind you, looking at those numbers /not/ in a playerless vacuum means looking at overbought in action. I am fairly confident that honk uses the value immediately prior to the adjustment as a part of the formula, not the previous adjustment value. This is why you have such events as extreme price hikes changing the baseline of a coin.

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>>20780024
"+4K"
Try $14k.
>>20780580
Overbought only acts downwards...I am fairly confident you are wrong. Adjustment acts upon the prior -adjustment- price. Overbought is engaged when the new adjustment price is greater than the prior adjustment price but less than the current price...

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>>20780580
Cont.
Meaning overbought is nearly -never- active on Mori in any sort of meaningful way. Overbought is what is bringing her back down ever so slightly on days where she isn't brapping completely and also not adjusting upwards...

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>>20780859
I ran a shitton of modelling using machine learning and have a very good model of the formula. It does /not/ use the prior adjustment price. Or, if it does, then somehow my home-baked formula has somehow accounted for behavior of the entire market on every coin throughout the day well enough to get accurate results.
>>20780859
Even if you define overbought in this way, you've missed 4 spots in this graph where it would have had kicked in, surprisingly in the biggest fucking places. Also, look at the spacing between adjustments in that graph and how uneven it is. What's the deal with that?

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>>20782067
You can view how the price of a coin has changed over the past 24 hours on the coin's market module on the market page. A coin's price will be added to the graph every 16 transactions, or on each quarter hour if more than 15 minutes have passed since the last tick; whichever comes first.

In addition to the price updates that occur as a result of shifts in demand, the prices will receive an adjustment once daily at 9:05am ET based on the Youtuber's channel performance. The end-of-day market price is taken into account when determining how much to adjust. If a bullish coin is experiencing a bubble, it will adjust downwards towards a base value determined by performance. A bearish coin that is currently undervalued will adjust upwards by a performance variable factor, rewarding those who held an undervalued coin. Adjustments seek to "make up" for ground that hasn't been covered by demand-based adjustments alone. In this way, users are forced to make smarter decisions on which coins they should hold based on their own assessment of a coin's fundamental value.

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>>20782067
>Even if you define overbought in this way,
That isn't my definition - it's how it works.
>you've missed 4 spots in this graph where it would have had kicked in, surprisingly in the biggest fucking places.
Overbought kicking in when a coin is meant to adjust downwards isn't what I'm talking about here FFS...

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>>20783372
>The end-of-day market price is taken into account when determining how much to adjust.
1. Learn to read
2. Numbers support this
>>20783528
I know this is how overbought works. What I mean is that you hold two conflicting ideas: that only the price immediately after adjustment matters for the adjustment itself rather than the price immediately before it, and that overbought "is engaged when the new adjustment price is greater than the prior adjustment price but less than the current price".

You've missed four spots where a coin ultimately adjusted to a price higher than the day before it, but pre-adjustment price was much higher. These are spots where overbought has kicked in.

Beyond that, there's other evidence: Look at Hololive today. 130k previous adjustment price. 90k closing day price. Daily views change is positive, weekly views change is positive. 10k subtick. Result? Going from 90k to 96k. Oversold is on, but you'd expect a massive positive adjustment here if it depended on previous adjustment price.

I think that the adjustment itself takes the pre-adjustment price, but due to how it works overbought/oversold consider previous adjustment prices.

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>>20785524
>1. Learn to read
Tsk.
>2. Numbers support this
See #1. Numbers do support this - but the "adjustment" is "adjusting" from the previous adjustment price when you're considering what overbought is using as its comparison point.
>What I mean is that you hold two conflicting ideas: that only the price immediately after adjustment matters for the adjustment itself rather than the price immediately before it, and that overbought "is engaged when the new adjustment price is greater than the prior adjustment price but less than the current price".
No - you're reading way too autistically into what I said.
Assume adjustment is meant to be upwards - fuck subticks right now. Doubled daily views. That adjustment amount is evaluated vs. the previous market open price. If the market closed price already reached or exceeded that value, then overbought kicks in. You don't need machine learning to understand how that works.
>You've missed four spots where a coin ultimately adjusted to a price higher than the day before it, but pre-adjustment price was much higher. These are spots where overbought has kicked in.
You keep saying this. I don't have any data other than the graphs in front of me, so if you actually have the numbers, please make proving your point easier for the both of us and just show them. If I'm seeing other larger drops - I am assuming that they're because views or subs were lower. I'd rather concede that you're right because I believe that you're right than continue arguing in circles.

w.r.t Hololive - this is rrats - but that would just lead me to believe that consecutive 10k daily subticks do not stack. Could be something like a status that compares the prior day's state - ie. delta daily subticks is still 0. So instead of getting the boost from another daily subtick, we just didn't get the drop from it falling off.
Also, yes, Hololive would've been "oversold" kicking in - and that's case-in-point what I'm trying to say about Mori. Overbought does not move a coin TO the price it "should" have adjusted to - only "slightly towards" it. Were you around for overbought 1.0? It was far more drastic - not in a "total $ amt" because coins were worth far less, but in a % adjustment amount. Current overbought is piss in the wind compared to the OG - and now I suspect oversold might have had similar limiters placed on it. BTW the daily view change for Hololive was negligible - 3.8m to 4.1m? C'mon.

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>>20787780
My point is: the "adjustment" is adjusting from the pre-adjustment price. However, overbought uses previous adjustment price as a comparison point.

I don't understand why you keep explaining overbought like I don't know what it is. I've said multiple times it is that, but you keep repeating the same fucking points instead of addressing the thing you're awfully wrong at.

>BTW the daily view change for Hololive was negligible - 3.8m to 4.1m? C'mon.
If you think "the "adjustment" is "adjusting" from the previous adjustment price" then you have to explain the adjustment happening with all those positive values from 130k to 96k... rather than a 90k to 96k, with oversold trending towards a certain value.

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>>20788285
Are these the four spots I missed that have your panties in a wad?
If you've got the numbers - please show them.
>If you think "the "adjustment" is "adjusting" from the previous adjustment price" then you have to explain the adjustment happening with all those positive values from 130k to 96k... rather than a 90k to 96k, with oversold trending towards a certain value.
I keep repeating myself because you've missed my point since the beginning. Allow me to spell it out in far simpler terms:
Overbought is so fucking weakly tuned right now that it's effectively a forced crab mechanic - exactly the scenario we had when it didn't exist. And oversold too - since you've made this about that as well.

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>>20788492
Indeed, those are the four spots. You can access the numbers yourself in the graph, I'm not your nanny. These four would have an overbought component to them, even if their views went down... because of how it works. And how you explained it will tell you exactly why, since all the boxes are checked.
"Weakly tuned" isn't a small thing when adjustments are multiplicative from the pre-adjustment price. It kicked in 9 times out of 28-ish adjustments in this graph, essentially preventing Mori from recovering, which is made even harder due to her low volatility.
As I said, it's based on pre-adjustment price, and is multiplicative: having 0.9x modifier put in front 1/3rd of the time WILL bog a coin further from the price it'd normally reach... which is what's happening with Mori and why she cannot recover lately.

[Anonymous No.]

Why did the largest of the purple cats not simply eat the others?

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Random thought: what are arguments against implementing a downwards adjustment cap of some form on music channels as a result of their consistency to drop to near 0 views due to the API? The only thing that comes to mind is that it would be “unfair” but I can’t think of any real downsides to such a thing.

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>>20789052
>Indeed, those are the four spots. You can access the numbers yourself in the graph, I'm not your nanny.
Have you tried accessing views on a day-to-day basis using the graph? Way to out yourself as a shitter.
>These four would have an overbought component to them, even if
Then post the numbers and prove it.
>It kicked in 9 times out of 28-ish adjustments in this graph, essentially preventing Mori from recovering, which is made even harder due to her low volatility.
Clearly you still have them. I told you I didn't, and that I -wanted- you to be right. Meanwhile you're ML this and akshully that. It's not difficult.
>>20793054
"Creates more problems than it solves"

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>>20794499
I’m not even sure what problems would arise from such a thing, it was just a genuine thought and it’s why I asked. It wouldn’t remove the downticks or anything, just prevent absurd changes resulting in absurd drops that are unnatural and are not a result of anything but the API.

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>>20794965
I mean, we removed the upwards adjustment cap. Adding a downwards one in just seems like putting a handicap in the game.
Having adjustments "cache" for music coins seems like it could work? But how do you determine how often they should "actually" be? IDK. I didn't mean it created more problems than it solved - just that someone would likely say so.

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>>20791123
okayu already eats too much dont encourage her

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>>20795251
I kinda want the upwards adjustment cap back at least in some for $10k cap was stupid and should be higher but the no cap is allowing for some black magic fuckery increasing coin baselines
I don’t think it would be a handicap, it’s not like those downticks wouldn’t occur anymore, it just would result in Mori not going from $35k to $15k while giving $3k in dividends, she’ll still drop but not as large of a margin, still allowing good profits but passively discouraging her from being bought as much and possibly bringing her to a more accurate coin price and not being good to nearly constantly buy than what she sits at when she isn’t on the cycle.

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No hate but I just find it really funny that the people with all these trading and market and API knowledge are getting outperformed by pure grug players.

What factors could be causing this?
>zhonkbot uptime
>oshicoining intensity
what else?

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NightRyS, /nasfaq/!

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>>20797893
>outperformed
define performance.
the metagame shifted lately. especially if you use networth as a metric you're doing it wrong. You also have to somehow get rid of your money, otherwise you will not use your money to full effect, which recently means buying way overpriced to somehow clean the coffers by Friday. The top two are the harshest "victims" of this, with how much the market fluctuates if you take every single green you might just not make it at all even going as hard as you can.

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>>20797893
A lot of players, two of the deadbeats, for instance, are busy/unable to play the game and have fallen in performance as a result. They have the knowledge, just not the means.

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>>20797893
I am intentionally utilizing a "business casual" playstyle where I meme as efficiently as possible using exclusively the tools and information that I collect for those tools. I frequently experiment with alternative playstyle and engage in frivolious pursuits like trying to 10x 13 coins at once in order to spook oshicoiners and spark conversation in the thread.
Grug can beat me if he wants.

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>>20799800
>define performance.
growth over time

>>20799810
I'm not talking about the deadbeats. They are still on top if you exclude the 10x mori taxes. I'm talking about everyone else who isn't also BBB. Smart fandead and some others who were active in the discussion are in the top 20-50 range of the trading ranking. I want to know how players like Tampa are outperforming them.

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>>20795302
Oohh food preggo

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Ohhh Konnui

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family decided to pull the plug and let him die a natural death. It's over. I can't save him

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>>20803399
The death of a family member is always terrible, but please take solace in the fact that he isn't going to suffer. He would want you to be able to find peace, so please don't blame yourself or anybody else for his passing. The most horrible thing is that most of us are powerless to stop such things. We cannot do anything. So please, please do not blame yourself. If you want to blogpost here some more, go right ahead.

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>>20803399
As the previous anon said, at least he won't be suffering any more. Vent as much as you need, and you'll get back up in no time. Im not sure how much you care for this but i'll be praying for all of you.

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>>20803399
Really sorry to hear that. Can only pray you're able to pull through...
Stay strong

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does everyone in the top 100 use their own sheets?

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>>20806779
Less than 10 people actually have their own sheets.

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>>20806779
I just use the one in the op

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>>20806779
I literally just look at last weeks divs

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>>20806779
I'm in the top 50 and have done nothing but play with intuition, 'feel', and stream knowledge since the very beginning and yes, I'm crabbing because of that. A sheet will help you out a ton.

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>>20806779
I'm in the top 10 and I use scripts and a modified Haaton sheet that works.

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>>20778788
Thank you for your writings, if you ever feel inspired again, I'll be happy to read your stories again.
I wish everything works out for you!
>>20780062
I've been very preoccupied with the vtwbg thread, to the point where sort of burnt myself out. I still want to do some purely nasfaqg related stories too and i might if I ever regain some of my will to write. Thanks again for your work, it has been an inspiration.

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>>20803399
Stay strong anon. Please remember to take care of yourself and your family if it is within your ability during these tough times, but don't overwork yourself either. If you have anyone, talk to them, do not be afraid to be emotional, and if you think venting to random internet strangers helps, as it might, please do not be afraid to use the thread or other related places as outlets. You are not alone and you do not have to be alone in this.

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>>20794499
My point is, you have the data, and you can get those four datapoints if you want. I won't do your fucking work for you.

Honk defined Overbought as:
>As always, the overbought mechanic applies to coins that would adjust up but were bought to a price higher than where they would have gone ignoring market activity.
Look at those four points.
>Would adjust up ignoring market activity - check
>Have been bought to a price higher than the final adjustment - check
According to your (wrong) view of adjustments being based off the previous adjustment, these would be overbought by definition. It doesn't matter what the numbers were there.
That being said, there is an alternate explanation where the price of a coin is based off pre-adjustment price and they have adjusted down... which would mean that we're dealing with two thresholds - "Overbought" threshold using previous adjustment price and what would be the adjustment using pre-adjustment price.

Do you understand it now? In the second case, overbought can kick in EVEN IF a coin ultimately adjusts up. Which loops back to the 4k increase for +915k views. When Mori braps down, she doesn't recover because the value overbought uses to trigger is much lower than the projected 2-day views adjustment using pre-adjustment price.

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>>20801498
krs is active and he's quite high, same with Clocks sometimes. I have no idea who the Smart Fandead is as a player.

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>>20803399
Take your time to grieve and process all the thoughts and emotions. Don't be afraid to feel them, even if they are overwhelming - shelving them and trying to get busy and drown them will only result in never working through grief.

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>>20797893
Ability to use information. Pure analytical data does not a trader make, the ability to use said information does. No hostility or mockery intended to anyone, but a grug with good intuition will outperform a knowledgeable trader who is using the wrong general principles/ideas of the market or fails to utilize his data effectively.

Knowledge of strategies that cannot be easily translated to analytical bots or sheets is another one. The fact that Coco is not significantly above her "true" average price, the fact that Rushia is not an extremely good deal right now, or the fact that the brap cycle allows for the safe selling of mori near 40k, for example, are all things that a bot or a trader that relies purely on numbers emphasis on "purely" may not pick up.

Its false to think that a grug player is somehow fundamentally "stupider" than an analytical trader is, their information is just formed and processed differently. While an analytical trader has a sheet that tells him the average prices of each coin, a good enough grug knows the rough estimates for them intuitively. The information is essentially the same, although a grug player is likely to be less accurate with his estimates, whereas an analytical trader may have his data corrupted by anomalies which can last for weeks as was the case with fubuki's shiny magicarp divs unless he is very rigorous with his data. To be fair, falling into the pit-trap that is long-term anomalies is possible for a grug too.

But zhonkbot uptime and oshicoining intensity as well as how good the oshicoin actually is do matter a lot too, if not more than the above points.

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>>20768774
>ask in the thread for trading advices
I try to when possible, but I generally can only read, not post, due to the fact that I'm a phoneposter/trader oftentimes. I appreciate the offer though, bless ya.

Generally, most of my trading info either comes from my own stupidity, poi, or the newhag discord.

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>>20812564
>Rushia is not an extremely good deal right now
Rushia is an extremely good deal right now. The best deal on the market even. Pagi.

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>>20813220
I believe in pagi

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>>20813220
Rushia is a good deal, just not an extremely good one.

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>>20803399
sorry to hear that. stay strong friend

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10

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honk

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ohhhh im shitting

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Ohhhhhh I have to go cum

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Like a glint from the blue, here's a quick Morning Review.

Top 3 Upwards Adjustments (of 27)
>Pekora :: $15,769.38
>Mumei :: $11,493.84
>Moona :: $9,705.91

Top 3 Downwards Adjustments (of 35)
>Hololive :: -$28,095.28
>Fubuki :: -$9,233.38
>Watame :: -$7,268.56

Overall Average Adjustment is $96.21
Average Upward Adjustment is $4,036.08
Average Downward Adjustment is -$2,943.11

Don't get baited, pick up some good deals, and check in on zhonkbot regularly.

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honk...onegai...bogration...

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>>20816956
No. Falling dividend returns and rising trading returns are good for the market.

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>>20817046
but i just want cheap price...

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>>20817075
cheap or expensive is a matter of perspective.

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>Reine 10k for the first time
>Nabi already 10k
Should I invest in Luna or what

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>no adjustments
what did zhonk mean by this?

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>>20817177
anon....

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how retarded am I?

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>>20817594
sell more towa there’s 3 streams counting for that adjustment

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>>20817594
Looks good. Enjoy the greens. Prepare for craaaash

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FAUNA YOU USELESS BITCH YOU WERE MEANT TO GO TO THE FUCKING MOON

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>>20817973
>he doesnt know
patience

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>>20817973
>he doesnt know

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sex with hags

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>>20811571
>My point is, you have the data, and you can get those four datapoints if you want. I won't do your fucking work for you.
Firstly, go fuck yourself. Secondly, TL;DR - I am not right, but neither are you. The blue boxes represent the only areas where overbought would've been active. I think. Still drinking my coffee.

Let's figure out what those four points even are.
The first one is in February - manually preparing this data going back to March 1st was already a bigger pain in my ass than your dumb Machine Learning ass has been, if you want to argue that point, go get your own fucking numbers as well.
The second point is the adjustment that happened on March 9th, third point is March 15th, and the fourth point is the adjustment on the 19th.
>Look at those four points.
>>Would adjust up ignoring market activity - check
Wrong. The adjustment on the fifteenth was net negative views. By your own logic, overbought kicked in on the 14th, which I did originally have highlighted as an instance where it was, for some reason, active. On the fifteenth, if anything, it stacked with what should've been a downwards adjustment anyways. The market pulled her price further up.
>>Have been bought to a price higher than the final adjustment - check
>According to your (wrong) view of adjustments being based off the previous adjustment, these would be overbought by definition. It doesn't matter what the numbers were there.
Yes, it does.
>>20812564
Grug know when grug need admit grug wrong. Grug also know when other grug not realize they are bigger grug.

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>>20811571
Which brings me back to my very first fucking point - overbought has little to do with why Mori is Mori. It is ultimately noise in the grand scheme of her insanely erratic delta views.

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>>20822056
Thank you very much for logging the Pre-Adjustment numbers Choco-sensei. The CSS fuckery required to get the Views/Subs out of NASFAQ was fun. I'm sure there's a better way lol.

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>>20822381
>[Deleted]
>why isn't the adjustment at March 15th lower than the previous adjustment?
Because it IS lower.

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>>20821212
You're still, still missing my point, even after so many posts. You admit that overbought stacked with the negative adjustment, meaning that it also kicked in on March 15th, driving it further.

Let me ask you a question, then: if a) adjustments happen using the previous adjustments as base AND b) the views/subs/parameters for the adjustments are in the negative then riddle me why isn't the adjustment at March 15th lower than the previous adjustment?

I'll tell you why: because pre-adjustment prices are used. As Honk has said, as numbers support it, and as logic supports it (since it's THE stat that lets market "influence" prices, if it was previous adjustment price then players would have no say in prices of coins, and the market inflates somehow).

Why is this important? Because, as I've mentioned before, overbought uses previous adjustment prices to determine whether to kick in or now, while adjustments themselves use pre-adjustment prices. This means that you can have a positive adjustment WITH OVERBOUGHT BRINGING IT DOWN FROM WHERE IT "SHOULD" BE. Combine this with wildly varying deltas and multiplicative nature of adjustments (since standard deviation of adjustments as a whole rises at roughly the pace of inflation), and you suddenly realize that due to the wild scraper fluctuations Mori is hit with overbought non-stop, even when she adjusts up, and this keeps her price down.

You're right that the wild deltas are the source of the issue, but it's because they let overbought be kicked-in non-stop after every red day, even if she adjusts upwards.

>>20822477
>previous adjustment is 23k
>march 15th adjustment is 27k
Where did that 4k come from, if previous adjustment prices are used? Not from views. Or from subs. Last time I checked, 27k is higher than 23k.

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>>20817046
Trading returns aren't rising in any significant way, though, compared to people's net worths.

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>>20822338
Glad to see the data getting put to use.

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>>20813220
like i said before with ayame, id buy at least 300 but not more than 1000 just to see if she spikes on the last day before deletion
consider it a gamble that you can just sell if she doesnt spike

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>>20817594

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>>20824377
I like what you did with the filename

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>>20822630
>and you suddenly realize that due to the wild scraper fluctuations Mori is hit with overbought non-stop, even when she adjusts up, and this keeps her price down.
Lemme just get this one out of the way first with picrel. It's enough on its own. There are no other channels that post negative numbers this fucking massive and as frequently!

Even Holo...has what, two big red days a week? Its pattern is more organic - Hologra views don't drop like a rock. "Everyone" watches Hologra on Sunday, but Holo gets residual VOD views from older eps, has other streams, people don't necessarily "all" watch it on Sunday, etc. It doesn't go from +2m to -1m like Ms. Reaper. Holofes exception...pls don't be a nigger, I'm retarded, but I'm not an idiot. If I'm talking nonsense about Holo's numbers as an example here, please correct me. And I mean this independent of the market - or adjustments. Holofes is a perfect example of why the upwards adjustment cap might have actually been the "lid" on a broken "reaction mixture".

>>20780686
>Adjustment acts upon the prior -adjustment- price.
Should've been clearer here - and this ensuing heated discussion is completely on me. Dogeza. "Adjustment ONLY acting upon the prior adjustment price" was not a point I was ever trying to make. Poor choice of words on my part - omitting "also" Adjustment ALSO acts upon the prior -adjustment- price or not saying "considers" instead of acts, you name it. You are correct in arguing with me for saying that.

Previous adjustment price vs. "intended adjustment" is THE factor for how OVERBOUGHT is triggered on a green day. We agreed on that much anyways - that was the context there. But we did get good discussion out of it.

>(since it's THE stat that lets market "influence" prices, if it was previous adjustment price then players would have no say in prices of coins, and the market inflates somehow).
and again, you misunderstood me, that's on me. I never meant to imply that it was ONLY previous adjustment price. But there is a reason Blondes-sama logs that number, and I don't think it's solely because he is a completionist ;)

Adjustment factoring in the previous adjustment and/or "the baseline" with some indeterminate weight is an effect that you develop a "gut feeling" for and was one of the things I meant when I was talking about "mahjong sands". I am sure other grugs agree. It's "stronger" when the market wants to force prices up, and is more forgiving on hiatus coins...or Civia/Coco. Where you're opening my eyes is implying that this too is "overbought" in scenarios where I would not assume it is - specifically: green stats, green day.

I got sidetracked arguing about Mori "only" going up $4000 being overbought in action, Holo, arguing about the adjustment algorithm itself which I initially thought was ultimately meaningless but am now realizing could be a big factor in all of this..

>This means that you can have a positive adjustment WITH OVERBOUGHT BRINGING IT DOWN FROM WHERE IT "SHOULD" BE.
...I get what you mean but I don't think it's happening. It looks like it's rubber banding - again, I get what you're saying - I am saying it's her negative numbers..
My point was that +$4k = overbought is or rather SHOULD BE impossible devs...are you...is this fucker right? You SHOULD only be seeing "overbought" if the resulting adjustment vs. pre-adjustment is downwards/red AND when the stats are green. I didn't think there was any ambiguity about this when the mechanic was originally introduced in the summer.

>at roughly the pace of inflation
Which is not consistent from coin to coin.

>Where did that 4k come from, if previous adjustment prices are used? Not from views. Or from subs. Last time I checked, 27k is higher than 23k.
My fault again, they're both factors & I did not mean to imply that it only acted on one or the other. Overbought kicking in on a red day ain't a thing because "crabbing" a red/hiatus coin has been a thing forever. "Crabbing red" didn't change when overbought was introduced. Haato, anyone? Those were hiatus/crab tier red numbers on the 14th - which if anything, I see as proving my very first point: OVERBOUGHT IS WEAK AF YO.

+760k views gave us +$8,789.14 vs. the previous adjustment value. Overbought was triggered on the 14th - to the tune of a net -$2,193.07 adjustment. Going from +760k views to -67k views was enough for a net -$3,235.57 adjustment. 50% stronger than overbought...ergo - overbought ain't shit son. At least in the cases where we can both completely agree it was very much in effect.

I understand what you are trying to say, you don't need to further bash your head in trying to explain it to grug. I am not convinced you're right, but if you are, what the fuck...

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>>20822630
I hit the character limit - I already know you think that the 15th's adjustment was also overbought acting on a red day. You don't have to waste your energy explaining that to me.

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i just buy the red numbers and sell the green numbers lmao

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>>20822630
By the way, there is considerably more to this than we've tunnel-visioned ourself into arguing about. Don't the magnitudes of individual coins' adjustments factor "the rest of the market" in as well? i.e. Mori getting +1m views means less on a day where several other coins had good numbers.

Mori's own #s changing might be even more meaningless in a "one coin" vacuum and easily explain things like +$4000 but I sure as hell don't feel like repeating all of that work for these other coins.

Way to miss the forest for the trees.

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>>20827830
NTA but you sound like a smug fuck

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>>20828048
It's bruce, what do you expect?

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>>20828260
Who was Tampa arguing with?

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>>20828825
Fuck all if I know. Probably cocks.
Source on both: This was once revealed to me in a dream.

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>>20828048
Any other day I'd tell you you were right. Responding in kind to "well akshully" isn't smug.

>20827830
Fuck it.
On the 17th:
Coco's -10k weekly subtick fell off and she lost a few hundred daily VOD views delta...giving her a +$20k adjustment. kek. Topkek even. That's not broken at all. Nope.
Subaru +236,492 views, +10k Daily Subtick
Ina +168,909 views, 10k Daily Subtick Fell Off...
...
Iroha +174,456 views, 1k Daily Subtick fell off, weekly dropped from 3k to 2k
Pekora +152,466 views, no sub activity
Calliope +916,374 views, +10k Daily Subtick

This is why I prefer the grug life. Trying to look at this analytically doesn't actually make any fucking sense and now not only am I less confident in all of the shit I argued, I have new questions.

Adjustment scales inversely with volume? Overbought intensity scales proportionally with volume? WHY WAS COCO LIKE THIS?! Mori would've been the one dragging them down...not vice versa. So the adjustments themselves are what are compared/scaled between coins...and not the numbers?

>>20828825
I don't think it matters who either party is.

>>20822630
Gomenasai.

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>>20829259
clocks has been away for the last couple hours

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>>20829335
getting the pump™, eh femboy?

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>>20829376
id say "lucky" but weve seen avarice being constantly argumentative and threatening to cuck him so maybe he wasnt the best femboy on the market
though there was this moment which may say otherwise, theyre much closer than they let on

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stop being faggots

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>>20829291
>Responding in kind to "well akshully" isn't smug.
Upon further reading I'd say you're right, sorry

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>>20831014
do you know where you are

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>>20831108
You didn't need to but thank you.

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>>20830861
my sides

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>>20830861
If there is an avarice 2 what's avarice 1

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[ANNOUNCEMENT]

Returns Report temporary archive has been updated yesterday

For any potential bread bakers, if you can, please use the following link from now on: https://rentry.org/returnsreport
There are no changes between the above version of the report and the one currently in the OP other than the former having a shiny new url which I like as it looks cool and professional and all. The old link will function for now, and is also updated with the latest report, but I don't know for how long we are going to keep it updated.

On slightly related news, a certain helpful hooman has been shanghaied to help me with the writefaggotry and Returns Report archives, so if you see someone other than me making edits, do not be alarmed, the lore document has not been breached. Massive thanks to them for helping.

That is all.

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>>20836036
where is the interesting fact as your filename

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>>20836430
Bad stress managment leading to mental exhaustion which led to the end of at least 2-3 different ritual posts, including that one, and a shift in posting behavior and amount.

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>>20837770
take care man and don't feel forced to do your ritualpost take a break and if you feel like wanting to do it again you're always welcone here I know something about it lol

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i love mori

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>>20841689
Cuck

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19th hour, enjoy, etc.

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>>20847214
>19:00:01

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the moona ship has sailed. Goddamnit

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>>20847262
explain, is this to do with pekomoon

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>>20836036
thats a good kronii pic
break the tsuntsun into a dere

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Like a bolt from the blue, it's time for the Numbers Review.
1 Cycle lost. Data collected at Cycle 60.

Here's the R.I.C.H. report for today:
>Total Shares in circulation amount to 18,364,530, a 0.55% increase from yesterday's volume
>Average shares per coin is 296,202. There are 27 coins above this average.
>Calliope currently has the highest volume, at 1,694,321 shares, or 9.23% of market volume.
>Pochimaru currently has the lowest volume, at 41,723 shares, or 0.23% of market volume.

Top 5 Volume Increases (of 37):
>Mel :: +4.5%
>Chloe :: +4.4%
>Melfissa :: +4.3%
>Noel :: +3.7%
>Kiara & Botan :: +3.6%

Top 5 Volume Decreases (of 25):
>Risu :: -4.4%
>Moona :: -3.6%
>Sana :: -3%
>Mumei :: -2.9%
>IRyS :: -2%

29 coins had a sub-1% change in volume today.


Here's the R.I.S.E. report for today:
>Starting Liquid is estimated at $202,543.25, which is an increase of 3.24% from yesterday's estimate.
>Total Market Value for today is $473,166,071,916.71, which is an increase of 5.74% from yesterday's Market Value.
>Average Value per Share is $25,765.22. A total of 15 coins are above this average.
>Calliope currently has the highest value, at $59,741,385,709.38 in total market value, or 12.63% of market value.
>Pochimaru currently has the lowest value, at $314,473,343.91 in total market value, or 0.07% of market value.

Top 5 Value Gains (of 45):
>Calliope :: +52.1%
>Mumei :: +49.5%
>Moona :: +41.8%
>Pekora :: +36.3%
>Towa :: +36.1%

Top 5 Value Losses (of 17):
>Hololive :: -40.1%
>Fubuki :: -18.6%
>Lui :: -17.7%
>Chloe :: -14.3%
>Ollie :: -12.3%

21 coins had a sub-1% change in value today.


Here's the F.R.E.E. report for today:
>Today's Superchats totaled to $308,859,444, which is a decrease of 73.98% from yesterday's Superchats.
>The Broker made $707,030,766.23 today, a decrease of 38.3% from yesterday's salary.

Top 5 Superchat Increases (of 21):
>Subaru :: +8.6%
>Fauna :: +5.8%
>Sana :: +4.8%
>Ayame :: +3.6%
>Aki :: +3.4%


Here's the M.O.V.E. Report for today:
>1 coin (Calliope) adjusted green, but is still trending upwards.
>1 coin (Kanata) adjusted red, but is still trending downwards.
>8 coins (Gura, Ina'nis, Flare, Ui, Laplus, Rushia, Nabi, Pochimaru) adjusted red, but are now above their pre-adjustment value.
>52 coins are on projected trend lines and have not intersected with their pre-adjustment values.

Top 5 Most Volatile Coins (per Hour Average):
>Pekora :: $525 Down
>Hololive :: $477.96 Up
>Mumei :: $452.07 Down
>Chloe :: $434.20 Up
>Fubuki :: $401.37 Up

Top 5 Least Volatile Coins (per Hour Average):
>Nachoneko :: $0.86 Up
>AZKi :: $3.03 Up
>Nabi :: $4.24 Up
>Kanata :: $5 Down
>Pochimaru :: $5.21 Up

Overall Average movement was $14.07 per hour.
Average Upwards movement was $125.28 per hour.
Average Downwards movement was -$150.51 per hour.

The Financial Underwriters of Comprehensive Knowledge would like to remind you to stay informed, shitpost responsibly, and FUD accurately.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20849879
>1 Cycle lost.
when will we stop losing cycles

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die

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So much money.

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>>20860751
>not named treerrat1.webm
you have failed her

[Anonymous No.]

Hello There.
There are two new sections of the MOVE Data.
The first is the Max Margin vs Value, which shows how much profit would be gleaned from selling now had you bought at the lowest day in the last 14 days, or the maximum profit possible from such a transaction. As with the normal Margin Value, this is also compared against average Dividend payout.
The other new section (found starting in Column AD) compares Dividend payouts to Taxes Paid. This section shows whether dividends are enough to cover the cost of the transaction's taxes, and if it does not, how many weeks (on average) you would need in order for dividends to have paid off the taxes completely and start generating a profit on their own. This will hopefully help people looking to focus more on dividends identify good investment points long-term.

Hope these tools help in the future.

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>>20719855
In my defense, you had enough to sell x2 for 2 days in a row, I thought that would be enough, but little did I know that AYAME$ was going to stay at that price for 3 days in a row...
>>20722476
I say that those sells were bad because you were literally losing money on those trades at that time, it probably doesn't affect you that much since they were only a 8% loss at most if I recall correctly, meaning that they are good during the day and had only started to bleed you around the time I made the post, it's just a matter of adjusting your bot.
>>20722808
>>20735934
I mentioned that as an example of me changing my mind, despite saying that I would like to keep everything only in the thread I still talked with them, hence why I'm not discarding the possibility that something might change in the future.
>>20748091
I change my stance then! That's a very dumb system, why would anyone willingly take a losing contract?
>>20749250
Call it what you want, I'm just being honest here, it would be dumb to ignore them and not look at their actions, let alone say that they don't show what's possible to do, it's very clear that they are way ahead of everyone in market knowledge, and I say this basing it off only two members, Triangle and Applause, both were always 1st and 2nd in the trading report when they didn't need to buy MORI$ x10 and even while that happened, they didn't drop that much in the rankings, furthermore, Triangle is always participating in discussion, and Applause is just insane might have cracked dividends insane, I really can't even begin to understand how he came up with these things in the first place, and that's just the deadbeats, 2 out of 10 members, I can't image the kind of experimental things they have made.
But no, I don't want to join Miyatsuko and I will never do it, as I've said before, I'll always stay for the thread.
>>20631553
And now on to the main event, Ava-chan's wallet review~!
As a disclaimer I would like to say that I don't consider myself that great at analyzing wallets, I'm more about looking at the market, trades, long-term and short-term and coin behavior, nonetheless, I'll try to give it my best for you!!
For starters, I think that in general your wallet looks good for your rank, but there's a few things that I would like to point out:
>MORI$
You may be relying too heavily on her, there was already a lengthy discussion in this thread about MORI$, so I won't go into much detail, but you are probably having trouble when deciding when to sell given her constant change in price, also, MORI$ does not inflate at the same rate as most of the other coins in the market (specially if you look at other "meta coins"), while this is good for building a stack and dividend plays, it means that if you relay too heavily into her you'll get left behind as other players investing into other coins get carried not only by dividends but by inflation.
An example of you making good usage of this with meta coins are GURA$, SUISEI$ and PEKORA$ granted you are most likely going to sell SUISEI$ after her birthday live (if not tomorrow) and GURA$ after her MV views get counted, but they are all good dividend coins when bought on a discount and in the past month PEKORA$'s and SUISEI$'s average have both moved up by around $8k, while GURA$'s moved up $7K, while MORI$ is only up by around $3k (maybe even less).
So essentially, You need to diversify your bonds, chocoball!
>AKI$, NANA$
I know that most of your low amount coins are for day-trading, but these two bother me, they are shitcoins, plain and simple, and to make them even worse, they are not inflating, assuming you bought those on discount you should've fliped them for a profit by the end of the day, they are just deadweight in your wallet.
>Stacks.
By that same logic, I'm looking at anything over 100 coins as a stack that you are keeping around, already said my thoughts on MORI$ and PEKORA$, as for BOTAN$, MIKO$ (excellent choice) and NOEL$, they are all good, special mention to NOEL$ as she's often a coin that gets ignored, but she is outright good, also I see that your LAMY$ is going up fast, she's a very good coin too! Lastly, you have lots of TOWA$ I think she's coming back from a break, so anything could happen here, I'm partial to selling myself, but you might want to wait to see her dividends.
>WATAME$
Listen up little hooman, this is the one coin that you can't ignore! I'm not sure how many have figured it out by now but WATAME$ is one of the most promising coins in the market currently, her weekly shorts are hologra tier, you are going to buy her even she's near average, or even above that, her price will do nothing but increase from the short's inflation and her spikes are going to make you lots of money.
There are many good posts in this thread that I want to reply to, but I'm dead tired and need to shower, I may do it later, specially the MORI$ discussion.

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>>20836036
Consider adding this https://archive.alice.al/vt/thread/7432309/#q7440161
Good night, sweet prince.

[Anonymous No.]

I fucking hate Teamates so much. They’re like aspergers who feel the need to tell everyone that they love Ame in every fucking post with a picture of Gosling.

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>>20867083

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>>20867083
Agreed, fuck teamates

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Die

[Anonymous No.]

i want to be able to buy risu again bros...

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>>20869788
>He thinks Risu is going down now that she's unleashed 40% of her power.
Green day every day.

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>>20867083
I fucking love teamates so much, bros.

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>>20867083
This, but also everyone who goslingpost. They're weak as the sappling, ready to be snapped on half.

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night, /nasfaq/!
Please hurry up killing the thread, I'm running out of night posts.

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>>20873431
Try me faggot, see what happens

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>>20862278
Please give me a clue to your identity!

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>>20862278
thanks smart fandead, I'll be sure to keep that in mind

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>>20876218
>You need to diversify your bonds, chocoball!
I believe that narrows things down considerably. They definitely are NOT new! Ready your rrats.

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>>20876971
That poorfag 101 post was fucking kino I followed that advice for months.

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>>20877119
Note: I am not Smart Fandead.

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>>20877119
>Buy Maririn. She could bog 75% and we'd fucking buy her right back up to $10k. Rushia and Pekora also similarly bulletproof. Bogs are temporary, there are no bags, Sankisei is forever.

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>>20877163
I knew it was you this whole time

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>>20876218
He’s a Friend

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>>20877373
Source?

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Rrat: smart fandead is 35P the migo oshicoiner

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>>20862278
>In my defense, you had enough to sell x2 for 2 days in a row, I thought that would be enough, but little did I know that AYAME$ was going to stay at that price for 3 days in a row...
Subtick related moons seem to be some special kind of FUBAR lately see Coco. I don't want to say too much to avoid spoonfeeding some really easy money, but I'm sure someone as apt as you has already figured out why this is important.
>>20862093
>filename
kek
Thank you numbers-sensei.

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>>20876971
>Sankisei is forever
these were good times...

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>>20862278
>inflation
so autism oshicoining is actually a good strategy?

[Anonymous No.]

Waking up in the middle of the night to trade before adjustment… I want to take the comfy pill too…

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>>20880002
Depends on your coin, but if its one of the high inflation coins like ina or civia, it may be more viable than you think

[Anonymous No.]

Outbid me, Tampa. You can have the MarineHat.

[Anonymous No.]

>all these posts about maths and mechanics
>as a grug player I can't relate
I feel so left out..

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>>20882014
you want some marine hats? i got you.

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I missmy4 digit prices. Bring me baaaack

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>>20882396
>tfw used to take part in all the complicated gameplay discussions writing paragraph after paragraph
>tfw can't understand the discussions anymore, nor find the will to learn
At least you're not alone, I'm right here with you
What the fuck happened

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>>20862278
>call it what you want
>proceeds to suck deadbeat/miyamoto cock even harder
made me laugh even if it's true

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>she goes as cheap as 13k from time to time
>just needs to buy her at her all time low and hold her till she moons for 51k
>Mori's dividends are good so it's fine even if you don't sell her
>80% of the other coins are irrelevant for trading
Nice meta. This gave me a fun idea to experiment with

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>>20883327
>80% of the other coins are irrelevant for trading
Untrue.

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>>20875219
>>20872055
>>20867258
>>20867120
I need more pictures of Ryan Gosling to post on Ame thread

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Smart fandead/whoever this anon is, I wish you good luck on the benchmark this week, I'm out of the running due to some poor decisions but I hope you do well!

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>>20885244
Cute

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>>20884963
Here, take this one

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>>20886251
Thanks. I need more than just one.

[Anonymous No.]

theres a surprising amount of marinefags popping up outside vt right now

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Early morning rrat: smart fandead is bread's alt (that is not money laundering)

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forgot image

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>>20886613
Here, take another

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I'm glad my oshi general doesn't have goslingniggers like Ame thread

[Anonymous No.]

post 'em

[Anonymous No.]

i give up. im a deadbeat now

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i want my rope

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>>20883327

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Like a glint from the blue, here's a quick Morning Review.

Top 3 Upwards Adjustments (of 17)
>Moona :: $22,477.21
>Gura :: $15,722.60
>Fauna :: $7,335.08

Top 3 Downwards Adjustments (of 45)
>Calliope :: -$22,012.69
>Ina'nis :: -$14,368.61
>Marine :: -$13,248.92

Overall Average Adjustment is -$1,809.08
Average Upward Adjustment is $3,489.79
Average Downward Adjustment is -$3,810.88

Don't get baited, pick up some good deals, and keep an eye on your zhonkbot.

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>>20885244
I don't think I will be on the top again, not after a - 24% adjustment for me.

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How am I doing?

[Anonymous No.]

Pagi I need your knowledge

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>>20889402
quick glance, imo
lower multi: ina, miko, sora, marine,

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>>20888964
A NEVER ENDING RIDE

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>>20888964

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>>20889425
Sorry - I am busy being in my happy place.

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>>20889611
based pagi

[Anonymous No.]

How do I oshicoin if Mori keeps becoming my most coin

[Anonymous No.]

>>20889749
by accept the truth, u a deadbeat

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>>20889749
simply become a deadbeat

[Anonymous No.]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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>>20889749
Sell mori buy 10x oshi

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>>20889749
>honk's icon is a Mori icon
>game forces us to keep buying Mori and be a deadbeat

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>>20889402
Lower multisell on gura, suisei, ollie, roboco, coco, aqua, lamy, and okayu, dont sell noel or kanata at all

Increase subaru multibuy, wtf is that polka multi
Lower multibuy on sora, miko, and marine unless you are trying to make inflation plays

otherwise looks good

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>>20889932
its all part of honk master plan
>taxes ruins non meta coin
>inflation will ruin meta coin sooner than later
>mori will be good coin forever cuz brap cycle.

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ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

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>>20889749
just buy more oshi lmao

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>>20889749
follow >>20890179

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>>20884963

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>>20888964
ohhhhh I need to spend
Trading 45 coins
Buying 26 coins
Selling 19 coins
Buying 7x calliope, 2x pekora, 4x fubuki, 8x marine, 2x korone, 4x hololive, 2x amelia, 3x rushia, 5x miko, 8x inanis, 4x kiara, 3x subaru, 3x matsuri, 1x kanata, 1x towa, 4x mio, 2x sora, 1x polka, 2x flare, 2x choco, 2x mumei, 1x koyori, 1x iroha, 1x baelz, 1x melfissa, 2x nachoneko
and
Selling 1x gura, 2x aqua, 1x noel, 2x suisei, 1x ayame, 1x watame, 1x botan, 3x moona, 1x ollie, 1x shion, 1x lamy, 1x nene, 1x roboco, 2x laplus, 1x risu, 1x reine, 1x iofi, 2x fauna, 1x ayamy
in
8 minutes and 49 seconds.
Expected Balance: $323,891,011.3 (▽$1,045,606.39)
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