Hard Truths

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Post things everyone knows but nobody wants to admit. I'll start.
>Vtubers were a mistake
>Hololive is entry-level and only worth watching if you just started with vtubers, there are much better options out there but their fans have to spam the opposite in a desperate attempt to defend their tribe like monkeys
>Nijisanji lost it's identity with their EN branch trying to copy Hololive and their male fans pretend they don't care about the inclusion of guys even if it has made the group dynamics objectively worse and deep down most are unicorns too
>watching indies is a wild card because unlike corpos they aren't keep on a leash, essentially turning them into regular streamers that constantly get into petty drama and fuck ups not to mention most stream on twitch which brings it's awful chat culture
>smaller corpos are stuck in an endless loop of mediocrity because most are created with the idea of making a quick, low effort cashgrab instead of actually enjoying the hobby, this is seen in management that prioritizes income over good conditions of their talents

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Mori hates hololive.

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Holomems are the best.

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I am sure you are better off with a facecammer if you are that seething about vtubers.

You sound like you might like amourath.

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>>21358820
Watamelon is a shit meme.

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Nipplesanji deflection thread?

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90% of posts shitting on corporate vtubers are from seething 2views trying to subtly shill themselves

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sad truth
op is a faggot

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>>21359005
You only say that because that watamelon speaks the truth.

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>Vtubers were a mistake
This is the only point I agree with, everything else I believe is bullshit.

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>>21358820
you were a mistake

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>>21358940
You would to. We all would. We like to think we wouldn't, but we would. That "restaurant" analogy is a strong one, there are a lot of similarities between Vtuber work and serving. Most importantly, you're always forced to be nice or at least understanding with mouthbreathing, drooling ogre people, who are unfortunately your meal ticket for that day.

I do not envy the Vtuber life. It's being a Twitch streamer but so much worse

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What's the deal with EN male chuubas being so fucking lame compared to JP male chuubas

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>>21359991
>Most importantly, you're always forced to be nice or at least understanding with mouthbreathing, drooling ogre people, who are unfortunately your meal ticket for that day.
I mean, that's not the kind of thing you can escape regardless of what you work as.

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>>21359005

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>>21359991
Mori's audience is retarded cause Mori is retarded. A lot of other chuubas just act naturally and tell the annoying fans to fuck off and go off completely fine, probably ending up with even more support by the end cause the clips made over the situation cause most people hate annoying spergs as much as the streamer does. Mori's problem is that she's created an audience strictly made up of annoying spergs so of course she'd hate it.

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>>21360357
JP audiences have a lot of relatively normal people watching. Vtubing is relatively niche here so any guy that doesn't pander hard as hell doesn't have a real audience.

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>>21360510
This

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I am a straight male and I genuinely enjoy the niji EN boys

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>>21358820
Yes, most of this is true.

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>>21358820
Yes to everything here

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>>21358820
>Tells people to post hard truths
>Post opinions instead
Here's a hard truth OP. You're a bitch. Always have been. Always will be.

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>>21358820
>>Nijisanji lost it's identity with their EN branch trying to copy Hololive and their male fans pretend they don't care about the inclusion of guys even if it has made the group dynamics objectively worse and deep down most are unicorns too
Stopped reading there.
Go watch your boring holowhores.

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>My opinions are the truth

The thread.

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>>21361114
Why are Nipplesanjis so sensitive?

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>>21358820
>vShojo mysteriously absent
Hmmm wonder who made this thread.

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>>21358820
>Hololive is entry-level and only worth watching if you just started with vtubers, there are much better options out there but their fans have to spam the opposite in a desperate attempt to defend their tribe like monkeys
You misstook vshoujo with Hololive.

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>Vtubers were a mistake
>came from anime
>anime was mistake
>anime is just Japanese Disney cartoons after 80 years of cultural divide
>Disney was a mistake
>Disney is a company
>companies were a mistake
>companies were made to make money
>money was a mistake
>money was created by humans
>humans were a mistake
You see anon, the mistake was being born. But we can fix it, one noose at a time.

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>>21360362
I can get away with calling my coworkers retards at my workplace, the only person I have to grovel to is my literal boss, because I regularly suggest suicide to my manager. A service job and a productive job are completely incomparable in that regard.

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>>21360942
Anon... I don't know how to say it to you, but you have been diagnosed with gay.

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Korone is still the best vtuber around

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>>21361343
A noose isn't enough, we gotta take everyone out with us

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Any vtuber with a donation option is automatically pandering to some sort of demographic and taking advantage of people with low self control.
Doesn't matter if it's a guy or a girl, if they act as your girlfriend or your bro or your kouhai or an idol.
Even if they act coy about it and don't actively bait for superchats they take advantage of it.
The entire industry is built on top of these people.

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>>21358820
>/vt/ is only around 500 people. Everything is a nothingburger until other communities cover it.
>Nijikeks (especially the EN branch) have a huge inferiority complex.
>Holobronies love falseflagging to bait Nijikeks because of how easy it is to trigger them due to said inferiority complex.
>People who hate Mori are not even 1% of the people who actually watch Mori
>HoloEN wasn't a mistake just because some of them are fucking retarded. It happens even in the JP branch.

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>>21361632
African homophobe faggot

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>>21362171
This reasonable content has no place in vt

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>>21359991
nice one copebeat, anyone who isn't super rich or retsrted would kill to be at that level, if I was getting paid that much I'd be the best idol to walk this earth

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mori was right in rejecting toxic gachikoi actually

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>>21360357
most EN guys that have the charisma to be a good chuuba is already doing something else with their time
It's like how english VAs lag way behind JP VAs; voice acting/male chuubas in the west just isn't viewed in the same light as male chuubas/voice acting in the east

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mori is just in it for the money

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sounds like this would be a decent place to ask, how true is the "watching NijiEN is like watching a discord group you're not a part of having fun" thing?

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>>21360510
Name one popular vtuber that told their audience to fuck off and didn't get a whole rash of shit for it.

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>>21362171
>People said EN was a mistake
>Rushia autistic meltdown

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>>21359991
If you have 10,000 fucking viewers and the most you can get out of all of them is 'mouth-breathing ogres', maybe the problem is with you.

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>>21362679
found the mouth-breathing ogre

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>>21362603
>Every holo currently playing Elden Ring
>Ame in every single stream she's ever done
For the Elden Ring ones only people on /vt/ bitch about them and even then barely or from people who don't even watch them. For Ame she's garnered an audience who come to expect her to shit on them for being annoying and they love her for it.

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>>21358820
There are no holos that are /here/ besides some ID ones. What happens is that a lot of anons break containment on live chat and twitter which ends up being noticed by the girls

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>>21361543
>I can get away with calling my coworkers retards at my workplace
Unless you live in a shithole country you can't

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>>21362603
Ollie, Suisei

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>>21363190
I assume you mean the time Ollie told indogs to fuck off but she still gets grief from them over it. I dont know what Suisei did. If its the clip going around last week of her saying "you shouldnt gachi me because I cant reciprocate" then thats not telling them off but actually being considerate.

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>>21363134
America is not as pozzed as we are made to believe. The biggest SJW I work with never gave me shit for talking about ellen page, for example.

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>>21359991
Fuck off deadbeat shitter
Mori actively hates vtubing and hates her fan base of hololive
"Only true deadbeats know."
"Look, Connor already apologized."
Then runs off to twitch to "donate condom money"
She's like that server who had a bad day, serves you late, forgets to refill the water, forgets about the check and still demands you tip her

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>>21358820
here's a reply

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>>21359991
>we
>we
>we

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>>21361204
Last time I checked Vshoujo never had a member graduate nor did they get into as many yabs as Nijisanji? They're starting to look a lot better than the "competition".

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>>21363672
>>21363567
>>21362679
>>21362344
>>21360510

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>>21362580
People only started pushing that once unity started being a bad thing. I've seen countless anons (even in the NijiEN general) talking about how the girls don't have solo stream at all and everything is a surprise collab with guys, but then I pull up the last 5 streams Pomu did before this offcollab and they were all solo streams. Most of what /vt/ says is built on the hopes that you won't actually watch streams to confirm it.

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>>21364151
Bad experiences leave a bigger impact than good ones.

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>>21358820
>Mori is by far the most generally creative member of Hololive.
>Regardless of whether or not you think UnAlive is good, it absolutely solidifies her as the most varied and conceptually creative musician out of all of them, even if she's far from the best singer.
>While she's not the best at any one creative discipline, she's at least decent at almost everything, and is the best at actively marketing herself, which is why she's runner up to Gura, who's just cuter.
It doesn't matter if the "she hates hololive" rrats are true or not. It doesn't matter how much you seethe about her. It won't make this any less of an objective fact.

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>>21361543
t. janny

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>>21361661
This is the only truth
>Respects idol culture
>Loves all her fans, both JP and overseas
>Incredible endurance
>Loves retro games
>Always commited to beating them
>Always fun to be around
>Always makes you laugh
>Loved by all other holos
>Can physically beat you up

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>>21358820
hot takes are not hard truths, anon. take your meds.

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> Luxiem erased the NIJISANJI from NIJISANJI EN. now the default horniness just overshadowed everything nice about NIJI's chaos

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>>21358820
I watch JP indies
They have more self control than western 'vtubers'
Even the ryona ones

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>>21365957
HOW THE FUCK DID YOU KNOW
It's not any more glamorous, but it's not a front facing part of the company and it DEFINITELY pays better.

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>>21358820
the hard truth here is actually just "the west ruins everything"

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>>21360357
EN guys that are actually charismatic don't want to be vtubers, so you always end up getting weebs that read too much harem isekais or complete degenerates

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Vtubers are not funny.

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vtuber fans are losers, but the fans that are obsessed with drama and tribalfaggatory are on a different level of pathetic

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>>21365500
ame is more creative

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>>21365997
Not my oshi but I can't even disagree, Korone is just that fucking based.

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Why are dogshit cesspit troll threads like this allowed to stay up?

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>>21368960
Because this board is 1984 and people have some semblance of free speech.

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>>21358820
4chan is full of contrarians who thinks they're in the right. Yes, including me.

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>>21367196
I come here exclusively for drama, I don't even watch clips or streams

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>Vshojo have the best vtubers. whore or not they actually are entertaining
>Hololive is trash for tweens and babies. They pretend to be idols but fuck small dick old jap men in real life
>Nijisanji who?
>they need a vtuber with hairy pits
>idol music is the worst music genre its just teen pop shit that unicorns think is cool coz its in japanese and im tired of pretending its not
>best part of vtubers is the drama and seeing the basement dwelling virgin fags here seethe
>verification not requires

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>>21358820
Luck is the biggest factor in a vtuber's success. All arguments about quality or numbers on the board are pointless, and not just because the relevant people will never see them.

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>>21358820
These takes reek of filthy thread-reader.

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>>21365500
Ame more creative, Kiara most Holo like ídol, Gura the face

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>>21360510
You're retarded.

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>>21362344
Fame is scientifically proven to negatively affect mental health. And earning money far beyond basic needs doesn't benefit you mentally.

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>>21358820
the only reason you post on /vt/ is because you don't have friends and this one of the few outlets you have to seek approval

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>>21358820
Pikamee is the EOP entry-level tier though.

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>>21361632
No, I can see it being true, I'm a faggot and I don't like NijiENs(but love NijiJPs).

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>>21360510
t. chumbud

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>>21358820
My oshi should read comments/supas from 1yr+ members instead of just akasupas only

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>>21362608
the mistake was not EN
the mistake was vtubers
if we wanna get technical the mistake was actually Japanese "idol culture" that is coming out of the demographics bomb slow-motion detonating in Japan right now, and the demographic bomb that detonated in China over the last 20 years (something like 30 million more men than women, literally an entire nation of incel leftovers whose only hope at affection is genuinely parasocial relationships)

i suppose if you REALLY want to get technical the mistake was really the evolution of the male gender

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OP is a schizo

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test

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>>21362878
Speaking of ER streams, it seems interesting how Moris chat seems to be the least effected with all the backseating.

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>>21365500
>Mori is by far the most generally creative member of Hololive
you niggers keep forgetting to add EN in your statements.

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>>21358820
A streamers taste will influence their viewers tastes over time.
Streamer doesn't like Elden Ring? Suddenly a lot of the viewers don't either, even if they originally had thoughts about playing it or have played it.

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>>21365500
>thinks Calli is most creative
>doesn't understand what outsourcing production and mixing means
Ame is actually creative, unlike Calli.

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>>21376067
Because she's entertaining enough to make up for shitty play

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>>21361343
>>21361753
We need to create a united front, make sure to gain member from US and Russian army. Help them to raise to important nuclear launch sites. Then we make the move at the same time.

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>>21359005
This, I agree.

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>>21358820
>Hololive was the worst vtuber corpo that could hae broken in popularity overseas and becoming the first entry to vtubing for people over here
>Anycolor was retarded as all shit for having made NijiEN female only at the start and keeping it that way for as long as they did.

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>>21358820
Your oshi (and also mine) knows what it feels like to have dick inside them

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>>21364151
It's honestly pretty funny how people praised NijiEN for interacting so much and parading around their "We are such good friends!" image all over the place, constantly collabing and dropping on each other's streams and shit, only to turn around and start shitting on them for those same reasons around the debut of Ethyria and even more after the males finally arrived.

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>>21370888
>>idol music is the worst music genre
Fully agree with this one.

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>>21377717
I can get behind this

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>>21377827
They're a bunch of hypocrites. They suddenly got insecure from those male EN.

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>>21376390
So you're saying all singers are uncreative becsause they also have different production and mixers and composers?
In your logic, the only singers are the one who doing everything, including moping the studio floor

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>>21362040
Based. Superchats and memberships have ruined vtubing. sponsorships are way more tolerable

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>>21358820
Pandering to a global audience was a mistake.

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>>21377827
Half of NijiEN's fans are edgier holobrony, I wouldn't be surprised if they had a similar pattern of behavior

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>>21378064
Singers don't necessarily create. They sing.

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>>21378226
What kind of "mistake" profit them millions of dollars?

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>>21377827
That's because when there were just 3 of them at first it was cute and made them look close because they needed all the support they could get from each other. There are fucking 20 NijiENs now. When they're all doing this at random and even going to voicechat sometimes it's too fucking much.

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>>21377827
There's too much of a good thing

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>>21370888
Imagine deriding joy from watching others who are unrelated to you get upset because something they enjoy is being ruined. Couldn't be me

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>>21370888
>Vshojo have the best vtu
Stopped reading there. You can stop trying now, Vei.

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>>21377717
>>Anycolor was retarded as all shit for having made NijiEN female only at the start and keeping it that way for as long as they did.
are you a Taiwanese or HK whale?

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>>21363942
The Nux stuff on it's own is worse than most other big company yabs

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>>21361543
You sound like an absolutely fucking wonderful human being to be around
I can believe there are people as socially malformed as this

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>>21358820
American culture is centered around niggers. They have holidays for niggers. They killed hundreds of thousands of white men to free niggers. They listen to nigger music. They elect a nigger as their president. They dress and act like niggers. They draw the entirety of their modern culture from niggers. They post sassy gifs about niggers. They watch sportsball in worship of niggers. Their biggest event of the year involves throwing parties in honor of niggers playing sports. They use nigger slang like "bruh" and "thot". When you say "Martin Luther" they're not thinking of the father of protestantism. They're thinking of the nigger. Their cities are completely overrun with niggers. They worship their ZOGbot police force disproportionately filled with niggers and their global police force of soldiers filled with niggers. Their men sit around watching nigger ball while their women sit around watching nigger talk shows. They worship niggers like Muhammad Ali and Michael Jordan and Michael Jackson and the late Eddie Murphy while attacking the whites who actually built their country before niggers took over. Their movies are filled with niggers and their music charts are topped by niggers. They send niggers to the Olympics and celebrate when the niggers win because those niggers are true red blooded american niggers. They watch nigger porn to a point where "BBC" does not make them think of an international media company but about nigger penises instead. They will tell you how much they hate niggers and how the mutt's law meme is a stale joke and they are just pretending to love niggers but the evidence speaks for itself in that America has always been and will be a nation of nigger loving niggers

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>>21359005
you will never experience the happiness i got when watame saw the watamelon edit i made.

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>>21361543
this isn't a good thing you socially stunted freak

[Anonymous No.]

The people who say vtuber fans are the new bronies are right, It's a hobby for highly maladjusted people.

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>>21383311
i think we need to go back to when watching something for hours didn't classify as a hobby.

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>>21358820
>Most of vtubers don't give a shit about being entertaining, they don't even like streaming, they are here for quick cash grab exploiting mentally ill men

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>>21382954
please repost your edit here watanon

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>>21358820
>there are much better options out there
Like what?

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>>21362171
>People who hate Mori are not even 1% of the people who actually watch Mori
Yes, why would people who hate her be watching her? Great take anon

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>>21358820
vtuber is a normie hobby now

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this thread smells like foreskin

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>>21358820
>Hololive is... le entry-level...
>I'm le sophisticated and... PRESTIGIOUS... for wartching... le wild card vshojo/2view..

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>>21358820
>western Vtubers were a mistake
ftfy

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>>21358820
EN was the biggest mistake ever, just take a look at this fucking board

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indies change models and designs too fucking much, and then they cry when people think their new design is a downgrade. someone teach these bitches how branding works.

vshojo is guilty of this shit too and ironmouse's new design is awful.

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>>21362171
>People who hate Mori are not even 1% of the people who actually watch Mori
No way??????? How come people who hate Mori don't watch her, what is it that made you come to that conclusion, Sherlock?

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>>21358820
niggersanji deflection thread?
still sore about the holostars sticky because nijis are a dime a dozen

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>>21359991
But vtubers are capable of making $2000 over the course of a single weekend. Restaurant servers don't have that luxury.

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>>21361343

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>>21358820
All of your points exclusively apply to EN, so let me correct your statement
>>EN Vtubers were a mistake
And I mostly agree

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-Hololive's gimmick being of idol vtubers made every other company have to be "seiso" and unicorn-pandering by osmosis and now companies that always had males and male collabs, like nijisanji, are getting backlash because nijiEN fans were holoEN fans before that and carried over the unicorn mentality.
-/vt/ is a litterbox for discord and reddit vtuber communities. They cant call mori "the nigger of nippon" there so they come to do it here. They dont have to come /here/ to make decent not-shitposts, so /vt/ has been on a death spiral since niji EN males came about and redditors need to call someone a cuck.
-A strong majority of the "vtuber community" people dont watch streams and they never will. They get their views and narratives from what people are sayingon their groupchats and they never bother to check the source. This bleeds over to /here/, narratives that formed in a discord server get repeated like chinese whispers between 10 different Council erotic roleplay servers and get dumped in here, distorted, with no source at all, but with 200 people that swear its true.
-A double digit percentage of 2views dont like or care about vtubers or even anime or "otaku culture". Also true but less severe for every corporate vtuber generation after holofantasy. They didnt care "enough" before, they sure do care now. People like roboco or fbk or suisei are actually autistically commited to the bit in ways most of the newer gens arent.
-Most big vtubers are big because they're actually better, in both streaming quality and raw clipping marketing, than 2views. 'Hidden gems' usually dont exist. Corporate branding gives you a safety mattress but roboco and mel have been streaming to 1k ccvs for years because they overlap with better streamers. Korone, Pekora, Gura, are streaming powerhouses, better than a majority of facestreamers on twitch.
-Similarly, facestreamers will never overtake big facestreamers because the top 200 facestreamers are better and make better content than the top 10 vtubers.

Unicorns and fujoshis will, in time, be the one thing that kills vtubing as a business model in the west. Most indies can do it because excess viewership from big corporate vtubers trickles down to 2views, if hololive and nijisanji stops being a thing the twitch vtuber market will collapse.

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>>21389948
>-Hololive's gimmick being of idol vtubers made every other company have to be "seiso"
Falling into the same black-and-white thinking as most normies on this topic. Most hololive fans are not unicorns. There is a difference between "I literally think this is my girlfriend" unicorns and the "I enjoy cute girls, and seeing them hang out with males doesn't help with the cuteness hence I don't want that to happen" majority that makes up the viewers. NijisanjiEN are HololiveEN without the leash and with worse selection. Hence you got streamers who wanted to be like Hololive, but ended up buying into the narcissistic notion that they could have everything Hololive has - without having to be cute and instead being the twitch roasties they always were inside.

Agree on everything else.

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I'm glad EN mostly stay in their own bubble and don't interact with JP Nijisanji members much.

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>>21362171
Wait, /vt/ was that small? I overestimated the shitposters, damn. Time to get out…

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Are vtubers a good hobby if I enjoy laughing at EOPs?

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>>21358820
The absolute state of EN vtubing

Also, the same mostly applies to the JP side, this board is just too repless to see it.

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>>21399295
I don't really think it applies at all, at least to the ones I watch.

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/a/ was always right about vtubers

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>>21383045
>>21381147
>t. Cashier
Imagine being so BUCK BROKEN by the dude who signs your checks that you DEMAND every social interaction be a round of grovelling.

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JP chuubas are just as boring as EN ones and (You)re rose-tinted glasses are cutting off circulation to (You)re brain

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>>21358820
I got one
>vtubers are not your friends or your girlfriends