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23698730 No.23698730 [Reply] [Original]

Is it fair to say that people prefer Hololive over Niji because overall their talents have way more strong and unique characters where Niji is filled with milquetoast streamers that are literally dime a dozen. Maybe thats why they spam so many gens in hope to capture that one Pekora or Marine in the sea of mediocrity.
Honestly, there is no one like Pekora, Marine, Nenechi, even Rushia while she was still there, Fubuki, Matsuri, Coco (while she was there), etc. I cant name one Niji that makes me go "Holy shit I really wanna watch this person", and I did watch a bunch of Nijis over the years. Mostly Mito, Kaede, Noraneko, Hayama, Mao, Hakase, and Chigusa.
Incidentally, I think this is completely opposite on the EN side where Niji has more unique talents and stronger personalities where Hololive is just kinda...meh.

>> No.23698770

>>23698730
>unique talents and stronger personalities
this is some advanced Selen vs EN posting

>> No.23698781

Niji lost popularity because while hololive was doing major numbers with interesting streams Nijisanji streams were doing shitty ARK streams that caused drama and infighting and they haven't recovered since.

>> No.23698784

>>23698730
Would you rather learn about 10 people or 100 people with more being added every other month

>> No.23698805

>>23698781
>shitty ARK streams that caused drama and infighting and they haven't recovered since.
elaborate

>> No.23699078

>>23698805
it was like the hololive ARK server but instead of working together and stuff they would battle each other in groups
it was popular don't get me wrong, but talents would fight each other unironically and some fans ended up leaving (particularly the females) because they'd be collabing with males every stream
overall it was a net negative

>> No.23699168

>>23699078
>females
What is this, female fans or fans of female niji. Welp, female x male collabs are definitely a stinker.

>> No.23699172

>>23698770
>Selen
She is more rent free in your mind than even this Holobrony is toward Nijisanji.

>> No.23699182

>>23699078
>it was popular
>overall it was a net negative
you're contradicting yourself, anon
there's a reason the original niji ark war is remembered fondly and the tribe clips are still some of the most popular

>> No.23699194

>>23698730
Why are niji names so Japanese compared to holos?

>> No.23699206

>>23698730
nijien is garbage and your opinion is worthless
there is nothing of substance in your post, but it looks like it could be a decent copypasta if you made some small adjustments

>> No.23699223

>>23699172
yeah, can't help it, she's the one most often used for bait posts.

>> No.23699244

For every good Hololive streamer there are a bunch that are just as bland as Nijisanji's
but yes HololiveJP's highs are very high. Pekora/Marine/Korone really are one of a kind

>> No.23699361

>>23698730
I haven't eaten a hamburger in months.

>> No.23699411

>>23699361
Diet or money troubles, anon?

>> No.23699581

>>23699206
Pomu alone is a more entertaining streamer than entire HoloEN. Seethe more faggot.

>> No.23699659

I remember back when I got into vtubing it was a lot less accessible for EOPs because outside of clips almost nothing was translated, and EN vtubers weren't a thing. At first, it was hard to follow, but Hololive was a lot easier to learn about than Nijisanji. I think it's because (1) there's a lot fewer of them, (2) generations have clear themes and are always just 4-5 people, and (3) each streamer has their own theme. The level of kayfabe in hololive is a lot higher which makes them stick out more to EOPs, whereas niji members are just ordinary JP streamers so if you don't know Japanese it's going to be very hard to learn about them or care.

Back before the western community for vtubers really existed, people saw nijisanji and hololive on equal terms. Hololive is just way easier for EOPs to get into, so it became more popular

>> No.23699715

>>23699659
nah, it was the nijiniggers gate keeping and being elitist and look where we are now, their EN branch is filled with plebs.

>> No.23699793

>>23699715
>implying gatekeeping is bad
Anon I hate Niji too but come on

>> No.23699846

>>23699793
>gatekeeping
do you unironically believe this will work in reality?

>> No.23699938

>>23699846
Are you saying gatekeeping doesn't work, anon?

>> No.23699962

>>23699938
when did it work?

>> No.23700008

>>23699962
The only people who hate gatekeeping are people the gate is meant to keep out, after all. So I'd say in hobbies you aren't in.

>> No.23700028

>>23700008
>he dodged the question
what a retard

>> No.23700041

>>23699715
Gatekeeping only happened on /jp/ and its impact was minimal. Even now watching JP Nijis is really niche in the west, because they're very different from hololive. Most niji livers are basically regular streamers with an avatar, while hololive is pretty much pseudo anime

>> No.23700166

>>23698730
Everything you said about Niji is wrong
There is no one like Mito, Tamaki, Hayama, Debi, etc. I cant name one NijiEN that makes me go "Holy shit I really wanna watch this person", and I did watch a bunch of NijiENs over the months. They're a dime a dozen typical twitch streamers you can easily replace without even trying. Are they entertaining? Sure, way more than HoloEN at least, but are they >strong and unique characters? Fuck no

>> No.23700312

>>23700166
>They're a dime a dozen typical twitch streamers you can easily replace without even trying
You know this applies way more to the JP branch than EN right? That's why you can only name at best three JP members that have unique personalities/follow their kayfabe. Btw Hayama is just a poor man's Mr. Koro.

>> No.23700353

This is correct: >>23700041.

>> No.23700375

You just had to ruin your point with the last line...

>> No.23700417

>>23698730
>stronger personalities
>petra
>snoy
>ugo
>yugo

>> No.23700560

>>23700312
>you know this applies way more to the JP branch than EN
That's because there's a lot of them. They still have unique people in the mix, which can't be said about EN

>you can only name at best three JP members
>Mito, Tamaki, Hayama, Debi
Reading comprehension reps. OP only named a few and I was using his shitty formula, again doesn't change the EN angle
But for the sake of argument here's some more: Ange, Lulu (while she was there), Gibara (while she was there), Honhima, Chaika, Roa, Ars, etc.

>Hayama is just a poor man's Mr. Koro
Now you're just shitposting, not that it matters cause my comparison was towards NijiEN not HoloJP

>> No.23700624

>>23698730
>way more strong and unique characters where Niji is filled with milquetoast streamers that are literally dime a dozen
Holo like has about 4 to 5 who are really standout but the rest of the company isn't up to that standard. Even Friend and Festival, while being great in their own right, can't be put in the same category as Pekora and Marine. Nene is cute but energetic retards aren't hard to find. Niji has Ngo alone who trumps most of the ones you named.

>>23699659
NijiJP kayfabe also seems to be underestimated as well. Debi and Shiba should count as being chuubas who stick to their character no? Then you have others like Mayuzumi, Riri and Mahiro who go above and beyond with their autistic lore.

>> No.23700804

>>23698730
You mean as a streamer? Sure NijiEN have better streamers than HoloEN but HoloEN have way more unique talents than Niji. Ina is bland as fuck but she is the top tier artist in vtubing, Mori is cringey but her music is popular, Gura memes, Ame la creativity dad, Kiara idolfag. They all have some unique gimmick that even if you are not a fan you can immediately recognize them. Niji don't have that, they are just normal streamers and you can find ton of them on twitch.

>> No.23701000

>>23700804
>an artist
>a singer
>a memer
>an idolfag
None of these are unique, you find them all over the place in vtubing.

>> No.23701019

>>23700624
Ngo is at the same tier as Luna, they play the character really hard. Actually, I want to know what goes into Ngo's roommate mind when she streams because I'm a seiyuufag and follow her roommate and her streams are like 70% pure ngo autism and 30% the roommate's weird set of interests leaking to make jokes. The difference is kind of jarring at times but I still love both of them.

>> No.23701126

>>23701000
I'm comparing NijiEN and HoloEN, not HoloEN and the rest of vtubing.

>> No.23701340

>>23698730
The thing with Hololive being just really idol-focused with a theme on being a streamer just as an add-on is one of the main selling point. We don't know they'll evolve from that kinda identity because the results between the male and female streamers is imbalanced but the fact that Hololive productions is able to coalesce for the sake of promotion really speaks the volume of culture in Hololive. Nijisanji is just starting to built that with their latest waves but the promotion between Men and Women are the same. Its interest to see how far Nijisanji will go out of its comfort zone to acquire talent to make themselves unique within corpo Vtubers

>> No.23701341

Unironically Nijisanji is too japanese to blow up in the west, also, they're a lot so it seems intimidating for new people, it's funny because Hololive now has like 50 chuubas but you still can organize them in clearly defined groups, with Nijisanji you have like 15 waves and each of then has has 8 people so people naturally get confused but it works for them because, even if they're not an Idol group they kind of operate like one with staff like big announcements, merchandise and sponsors based mostly on popularity. They also have a lot of fucking side content aside from streaming, radio shows, variety shows, TV appearances, concerts, commercials, etc, Hololive too has side content but near as much as Nijisanji so it's a lot easier to keep up.

>> No.23701470

>>23699172
the ponyfucker is a selenfag

>> No.23701809

>>23701126
NijiEN already has all of those but the artist

>> No.23702094

>>23700624
>NijiJP kayfabe also seems to be underestimated as well
Most anons ITT only watch clips, some don't even watch NijiJP at all.
>>23700312
Mayuzumi, Mahiro, Riri, and Shiba all have their own unique lore and follow their kayfabe. Heck, Nagao just had his 3D debut with a fucking sword dance and you think NijiJP has no kayfabe?

>> No.23702212

I don't think hololive is that unique, maybe they'll fill idolfag or weeb niche market but the rest just for casuals or new fag. While in nijisanji i can see several of them can fill more specific niche.

>> No.23702298

>>23701809
I understand NijiEN girls filling some of those "roles". But myth has an ex pro idol, a pro musician, a pro artist whose art is getting an anime and a 1M-big memer.
Myth is an anomaly that only EN3 has a small chance to replicate.

>> No.23702406

>>23702094
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2kiwtp3Uus
For my fellow EOPs that don't even know how to search. I genuinely think no holo's stream can get this level of kayfabe, yet people would still say they are streamers with avatars.

>> No.23702552

>>23702298
Myth succeeded because there was nothing like it. Same reason why NijiEN males got big; it's just different than the rest of male EN VTubers. You can only do these kind of thing once. To a smaller extent, this is what happened to Kobo in HoloID Gen 3.

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23702725

>>23698730
HOLOEN WHO? NIJIEN WHAT?
KNEEL TO THE PRISMGOD

>> No.23703072

45 replies is too many replies.

>> No.23703284

>>23702725
Funnily enough Prism is probably the least noticeable of the 5 small corpos. Not that there's anything wrong with their content, they just don't stand out, be it good or bad, like the others

>> No.23703357

>>23702298
EN3 gonna have to grind hard because the market is already over-saturated when they debut. Council can eating well following the success of Myth but EN3 really need someone having talent and ambitious enough to carry the hype. I'm pretty sure Cover doesn't want their EN brand become like NijisanjiJP with bunch of midgets and only a few on the top.

>> No.23703861

>>23702552
>this is what happened to Kobo in HoloID Gen 3
Wdym, Kobo hasn't done anything that hasn't already been done, so I don't see how she fits this mold

>>23702298
>spoiler
Wait, what? Which anime? She hasn't mentioned anything on her twitter. Or do you just mean the game she's done art for is getting an anime, which already happened before

>> No.23704229

>>23703861
Apologies, the Kobo one is a conjecture. She's not really the first Indonesian VTuber to pander to Indonesians and succeeds.

>> No.23704919

>>23698730
>unique talents and stronger personalities
>Fubuki

I'll bite. What's unique about her?

>> No.23706219

>>23698730
your taste is just a shit

>> No.23706244

>>23698730
DC vs Marvel for weebs.

>> No.23706257

>1 post by this ID

>> No.23706364
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23706364

I have read zero of this thread but I like the Vtubers I like because I find them entertaining, whether they are Hololive, Nijisanji, small corpo, or indie. I do not care if they represent BRAND because I do not have schizophrenia and I do not place my self-worth on winning schizo wars online. Simple as

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23706416

>>23698730
you need to be japanese to understand nijisanji wackiness

>> No.23706469

>>23698730
>prefer Hololive over Niji
>people

>> No.23706649

>>23706416
Japanese humor is not fucking different from western humor outside of pun shit, stop acting like it is.

>> No.23706767

>>23698730
>no one like
Okay, that dude is already dead.
But dont get me wrong, i prefer holo too.

>> No.23707003

Is it fair to say that people prefer Nijisanji over Holo because overall their talents have way more strong and unique characters where Holo is filled with milquetoast streamers that are literally dime a dozen. Maybe thats why they spam so many gens in hope to capture that one Hoshikawa or Mito in the sea of mediocrity.
Honestly, there is no one like Hoshikawa, Mito, Ange, even Lulu while she was still there, Toko, Lize, Gibara (while she was there), etc. I cant name one Holo that makes me go "Holy shit I really wanna watch this person", and I did watch a bunch of Holos over the years. Mostly Pekora, Marine, Miko, Korone, Fubuki, Coco, and Subaru.
Incidentally, I think this is completely opposite on the EN side where Holo has more unique talents and stronger personalities where Nijisanji is just kinda...meh.

>> No.23707087

>>23706649
Please understand, americans are really retarded

>> No.23707098

Nijiniggers are literally holo rejects. There is nothing to discuss here.

>> No.23707334

>>23699962
It does work if you get enough to be a self sufficient niche. Every time in history when normiefags wanted to inject their shitty beliefs into a niche field and were not stopped, it became utter garbage.

Which reminds me how the west has been destroying every good thing it puts its hands on by "diversely enforcing a single viewpoint on everyone".

>> No.23707726

>>23699659
this is the only true post in this threadand probably the only person who actually watches streams.

>> No.23707985

>>23699659
Hololive is more popular in Japan too, which was far from the case a few years back.

>> No.23708393

nipplesanji seeths over vshojo being in with holo

>> No.23709144

>>23699659
I only agree with (1).
>(2) generations have clear themes
That's absolute bullshit. Except for HoloX and Council, not a single gen had a clear theme. And no, having a bunch of random fantasy (and one not so fantasy) characters and calling it "Fantasy" gen is not a clear theme. The difference from Niji is that Holo tries to stay in a flashy-shiny side, while Niji goes for a broad approach with both plain themes and unbelievably crazy themes.
>(3) each streamer has their own theme. The level of kayfabe in hololive is a lot higher which makes them stick out more to EOPs
Wrong again. Yes, hololive tries to maintain some level of keyfabe for each of them, but it is a half-assed keyfabe. Meantime, in Niji there are those who completely drop their characters and those who's keyfabe if light-years ahead of Holo's best keyfabe. For example, Kai or Debi.

>> No.23709496

>>23709144
3 times the numbers of youtubers for every 5 in hololive is enough that you are just dilluting your own fanbase to the point a single person cannot care to even know who some of them are, let alone go check their channel. The "More is better" mentality is what shot niji in the foot. So you get some vtubers that have the same quality or even better as the biggest hitters in hololive being unknown to their own fanbase.

>> No.23709615

>>23699182
>doesn't know what words mean
It had big numbers by that time standard
Since, they've been going downhill.
Retard.

>> No.23709813

>>23702406
who would watch that though? apart from retards

>> No.23710367

>>23699078
The only ones who got flamed was Hajiki lmfao

>> No.23710446

>>23707087
>>23706649
I cant believe anons in 4chan don't understand the concept of referential humor

>> No.23710721

>>23706649
I don't think you watch much japanese humor to say that, they are extremely different to the core.

>> No.23716598

>>23699581
>THIS IS WHAT NIJINIGGERS ACTUALLY BELIEVE

>> No.23716758

>>23716598
>believe
we dont believe, we know its true

>> No.23716807

>>23716598
I posted that and I mostly watch Hololive. Pomu is amazing, deal with it.

>> No.23717209

>>23706364
holy based

>> No.23717298

>>23698730
>milquetoast
>noraneko

>> No.23720878

>>23698730
I stopped watching anything holo a long time ago, and today I saw a fubuki clip, and my fucking god, it's like she's a png tuber. The mouth changes between two variations, the eyes move, everything is static. This is why I can't watch holos anymore, they look like shit and there's no effort.

>> No.23722667

>>23720878
that's why they have the 3D piece of shit.

>> No.23722799

>>23722667
But it's no good if the 3D is also a piece of shit.

>> No.23723216

>>23698730
no, it wouldn't be fair to say that because it's obviously biased and thus not fair.

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