/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

This kind of shit used to containt among twitch whores and some no name 2views. Thanks nijiEN for further ruining this hobby this shit!
https://twitter.com/FinanaRyugu/status/1531478643116896256/retweets/with_comments

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Never forget

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>EN
You expected this, no?

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>>25249611
holy fuck they unironically saying "yas queen slaaaay" cringe holy cringe aaaaaaaaaa my body is shakinngggggg.

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>>25249611
Betting all 3 of them are deeply parasocial with finana or vox.

[Anonymous No.]

>twitter being a bunch of toxic positivity faggots
What else is new? One person giving a "dedicated" 3-4 negative comments in her next chat will make her end a stream early because of targeted harassment like the stupid bitch has done in the past.

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>>25249611
>western women
what did you expect?

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god i hate EN vtubing so much

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>>25249611
If it makes you feel any better nijibros hate her too

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Nijibros are we the baddies?

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>>25249611
Vtubing has been going down the shitter for over a year anon the golden age is over now comes the fall, then vtubing will be forgotten for some years and the next fad will roll around and a few years later we will have a new golden age but until then it's only suffering.

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>>25249788
Have you not seen them in Kiara's chats? It's like a motto at this point.

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She's literally Livin with gachi money that's why nijigirls not doin number

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>>25252291
Nijien girls i mean

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>>25249611
>agrees with anti-parasocial take
>oshi marks in name
lol

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>>25249677
>Can you take a break without any serious withdraws
>If you checked yes to any of these consider taking a break
What did he mean by this?

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Blame Vox for allowing his fanbase to reach such a point that they needed to address this. Sure all vtubers are parasocial to an extent, but he basically played with fire, acting like Rushia in a mixed gender company, and now his coworkers have to deal with the fallout, since he was previously too much of a pussy to do it himself. Even if he's doing it now, it's salvaging, at this point.

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>>25252187
>western vtubers are shit and cancer.
>”the golden age is over”.
Maybe you should stop watching these money grabbing larpers and go back to watch JP, who were the ones doing it right from the beginning and the ones who still do it right.

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>>25252621
Money was too good, can't stop with all the numbers coming in. Damn the consequences.

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>>25252621
>a mixed gender company
Ah yes, the forced shipping.
Livers are free to do whatever the fuck. No broom up the ass quota. Vox should be able to do all the BFE he wants and if the others have very valuable opinions about it then they are free to shove it and stop interacting with him. Stop trying to turn Nijisanji into your crusade HQ.

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>>25252703
ah yes, by "doing it right" you certainly mean vtubers like Rushia, Coco, Aloe or the several ones who unironically sell erotic content on the side.
JP chuubas aren't better, you just don't understand them.

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>>25249677
If you can take a break, take a break. If you can't take a break, you don't need to take a break. Give me a break, give me break. Break me off a piece of that Kit Kat bar!

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>>25249611
Now you guys have obligation to remind her too everytime she's doing any form of GFE

let her know the consequences after saying something like this

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>>25249611
Unironically BASED niji

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Blame not the fans who become parasocial, but the content creators who make people parasocial

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>>25253203
> nitpicking

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>>25253181
GFE and BFE is fine. Whatever. But don't pretend it wasn't retarded of him to do it to the levels he was doing it, in a mixed gender company, with damn near no criticisms of how volatile his audience had become, and not just to him and Reimu. It had seeped to some of his other friends, too. This is why it isn't just about him, and it's his own fault. If he wasn't going to be responsible, and was instead going to actively allow his fanbase to be the worst, to stroke his ego, then he should have just fucked off instead.

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>>25249611
They can do better. They could just give them 100,000 bots.

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>>25253406
Fuck no. Blame both.
It's a parasitic relationship in both directions.

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>>25249611
I'm more concerned that you're even on twitter to begin with looking for this stuff.

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Man, every single aspect about nijiEN was a mistake.

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>>25249611
Niji has always been about extreme normalfaggotry.

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>>25253695
>But don't pretend it wasn't retarded of him to do it to the levels he was doing it
Should we go on a rant about all the retarded shit NijiEN does? Livers get to be retarded. It's their stupid games and their stupid prizes.
>with damn near no criticisms
They liked the numbers which allowed them to style on holoincels until it was time to pay for them. No evil unicorns and idol culture were involved whatever the fuck that is so it was making it fine I guess.
>he should have just fucked off instead.
Did he ask Reimu to get involved and then the rest of them + random holier than thou tourists to bait his fanbase for two days straight?

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>>25253203
3 former hololive members don't represent an entire country's pool of content. Here's how it actually goes for the most part:
JP content:
>Original jokes that they make up themselves, sometimes based on their character personalities; fairly consistent talking; very rarely negative on Twitter; typically more consistent streams; laughs that don't sound forced; actually know Japanese, so anisong karaoke streams aren't abundantly cringe;
EN content:
>"cum POGGERS"

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Remember a couple years ago when people said EN chuubas were a mistake and would end up ruining everything? Why didn't you listen?

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>>25254122
>They liked the numbers
i for one have always hated the numberfagging vtubers

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>>25254214
You know I never did watch Hololive EN but I did watch Lazulight for awhile until I realized how boring their streams were compared to Niji JP. /jp/ forgive me…..

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>>25249611
based finana making vt mad

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>>25254436
based jp nijibro

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Im so glad all these GFE/BFE tourists are finally getting rekt so we can finally go to the 2018 vtuber comfy days when they didnt plague the fanbase.

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>>25249611
I bet these were some of the same people that were part of the twitter group defending the rushia debacle trying to go to war with GFE fans and GFE Vtubers.

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>>25249611
>0 likes
lmao
does anyone even watch Finana?

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>>25257139
I used to on occasion around her debut but haven't for a long time. Now i deff wont be back if this is who she is and or become.

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>>25249788
Reminder that YAAASS QUEEN SLLLLLAYYYYRRRRGBLE
was original some feminist claptrap. Then the poofucking gays adopted it and then the gays in denial that self-mutilate and parade around in a gross mockery of women took it from the homos.
So the only people that unironically type this shit are troons.
After the gays claimed it and then the trannies in turn actual women stopped saying it altogether.
The moar yuo no!

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>>25253203
t. hasn't watched desuwa

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>>25257300
It was literally a drag queen expression, you doofus. Take your meds.

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>>25257410
>uppity troon is triggered
dilate and take your hormones.

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>>25249611
I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as parasocial, is in fact, a negative parasocial interaction, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, negative plus PSI. Parasocial is not a negative interaction unto itself, but rather a kind of psychological relationship experienced by an audience in their mediated encounters with performers in media such as livestreams.

Many audience members have parasocial interactions every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the type of negative parasocial interaction which is widely seen today is often called “parasocial”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically a type of parasocial interaction, as well as positive PSI.

There really is a parasocial, and these people are undergoing it, but it is just a single type of potential interaction they could experience. Negative parasocial interactions are a type of PSI: the obsessiveness with a media entity to the point of harming themselves or others mentally. Negative PSI are an essential topic of parasocial interactions, but incomplete by itself; it can only form part of the definition of a complete parasocial interaction. Negative PSI is normally defined in combination with positive PSI: the whole system is basically parasocial interactions with negativity added, or negative parasocial interactions. All the so-called “parasocial” toxicity are really distributions of negative parasocial interactions.

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>>25253203
>you just don’t understand them.
I’m the anon you responded to. Holy projection. I said that precisely because I fucking speak Japanese.
>Rushia, Coco, Aloe
Don’t even try it faggot.

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>>25249611
>people actually say "SLAYYYY" and "QUEEN"
>her voicepacks treat the viewer as a boyfriend
>she roleplays in her fan discords with the viewers
my face is screwed up more than normal

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>>25261022
Because when it is convenient to them then it’s not parasocial and it’s not GFE. When it’s inconvenient then you’re parasocial, an incel and whatever buzzword is trending.
This is what happens when you let entitled western women into your hobby.

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>>25249611
Finana is literally retarded. Holy mother of god, what a trashy whore.

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Mori almost became like this

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The shaak will never be beaten because she knows her audience, she's cute and funny UUOH, doesn't engage in drama like this even if it means she's scarce, and just plain know how it works and to keep the illusion up, especially for her male fans
If she ever starts revealing more about her real life, you'll know she plans to quit the industry. Probably finally go be a baker like she told us before

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>Noooo you can't cherrypick from my JP chuubas
>Proceeds to cherrypick from EN

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>>25249611
I hope she gets reminded of this tweet next time she does an ASMR gfe stream.

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>>25252588
Meds are temporary, schizophrenia is eternal. You can't escape and you aren't sane

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>>25252703
I like JP, but you're ignoring all the granny/pet deaths that were whored out for superchat money.

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>>25257526
top kek

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>>25249611
disgusting

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>>25257300
I don't know what half of that even means

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>>25252588
It means if you can take a break without adverse health effects you should consider taking a break.
Seems pretty straightforward to me, anon.

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Come on finana, cross the fucking line. Call your audience gross incels, pander to women who will never give you a dime. FUCKING DO IT

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mass graduations when

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>>25249611
no one cares

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>>25261022
>>25261178
Entitled western Asian women twittertards in a nutshell.

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>>25249677
Isn't the healthy answer to the second one Yes? But the statement at the end claims that if you answered "Yes" you need help.

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>>25274415
>Can you take a break from watching streams without any serious withdrawal?
>No
>Then take a break lmao

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>>25249611
>@ parasocial fucks.
Wasn't the Vox stream that caused all this some sort of taking chat on a date roleplay?

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>>25274781
fuck whores
love Lulu

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>>25270240
The people she is calling out are mostly women, I don't understand why people are mad at her for this. Unless you think it was male fans who got mad at Vox for having Reimu text him?

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>>25276893
The sentiment on this board is somewhere along the lines of
>yeah fuck those femcels, also fuck you too, you're a woman

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>>25276893
honestly i agree with people who think finana is going too far on the anti-parasocial thing, i feel vox's comments on it was for the best as it sets a boundaries and gets people to talk.
but clearly finana is a creature of impulse and is easily able to take things to the extreme when being moderate would be better.
her idea comprehension ability is pretty low when she couldnt understand how stupid she sounds considering the business shes in.
parasocial from this point forward will just be the nicer way of saying incel and femcel because people have poor idea comprehension and will use what ever is used to describe a group as a way to berate said group.

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>>25257526
Year of the Nijisanji Vtuber!

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>>25277145
That is what I have noticed. This board will say something, then the fish will say the same thing, then the board gets mad at the fish for saying what they were saying all along.

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>>25277478
Problem is, such aggressiveness is the only language these people will understand. When you have people aggressively going after Reimu for texting Vox, an aggressive response is needed. In a war, both sides must be fighting. If they sense weakness they will continue causing a problem.

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>>25277589
It's just another form of tribalism, it doesn't matter what is said but who said it.

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>>25257300
That has always been a gay dude phrase

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>>25274873
yes, which really calls into question the self-awareness of these people. though it wasn't vox himself who said it, it's still indicative of a general behavior of certain vtubers to call out the toxicity of parasocial interaction while simultaneously profiting from the exploitation of social motives of lonely or mentally ill people.

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>>25276893
>>25277145
>>25277589
>>25277684
Damn anon, it's as if /vt/ isn't just one person

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>>25277897
Don't pretend it's not largely an echo chamber and hivemind.

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>>25276893
Yes, women who want their yumejo pandering. Do you actually think that she despises femcels but is fine with incels or something? Just read the fucking tweet a couple of times until the "we live to cope" line doesn't make you lose your fucking marbles and you can process it. It's pure disgust. Which would be fair if she didn't pander to these same people and actively make their mental state worse to get gacha money.

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>>25249611
The Twitch whores and no name 2views became corpochuubas.

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>>25277809
You can enjoy a parasocial relationship without being a deranged schizo.
It's not hypocritical to provide a BFE experience to viewers and also not want them to send death threats to your female friends.

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>>25249611
all me

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>>25249611

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>>25249611
You heard the girl, no more boyfriend streams.

Thank fucking god.

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>>25249611
>spic
>obsessed with drama
Checks out

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>>25278078
It is hypocritical to acknowledge that only a minority of your fanbase was attacking Reimu while simultaneously saying that you're going to continue your BFE streams because only a minority take it seriously enough to be psychos. If the minority is such a big fucking problem for you that you have to make a stream laying down the law, stop pandering to them.

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>>25277679
yeah and vox was aggressive enough, finana however is going beyond aggressive and just comes off as being a cunt.
basically vox up his food down, and then finana started kicking without regard

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>>25278078
He didn't just tell people not to send death threats though. He basically told his gachikoi to go fuck themselves, they're not dating, he has no idea who they are, and it's "just roleplay". It's absolutely hypocritical to bait gachikoi, take their money, and then throw them under the bus when this creates trouble for other people. And this is far from over, because he's going to keep doing BFE, and these incidents will keep happening.

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>>25278249
Read what you just typed again.
Either I'm missing something or you're agreeing with me and making a great point as to why it's not hypocritical.
>>25278342
Again, you can enjoy parasocial relationships without being a deranged schizo. He told the crazy people to fuck off and will continue to cater to people that aren't crazy. That's not hypocritical.

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>>25278479
>He told the crazy people to fuck off and will continue to cater to people that aren't crazy.
And the people who are, because they're not going to stop watching his BFE content, and this situation will repeat because they're not going to listen.
>but he's absolved himself of responsibility by saying what he said
Might as well have said nothing then, because nothing will have changed either way.

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If you think a vtuber should be allowed to bait gachikoi, do boyfriend/girlfriend streams/merch/etc and get their cash, while also complaining that gachikoi exist and act like they're monsters, you're a hypocrite and completely insane.

If you want to stop this, cut it from the source, the fucking vtuber himself has to stop doing it, you're going to come up with shitty excuses but you know it's the truth.

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Does anyone have that old image about hobbies going to shit? You know the one.

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>>25278565

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>>25278601
Vtubing is on the 6th stage already

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>>25249611
I will harass all nijiniggers who dare to interact with hololive from now on. Keep your leeches away, you've been warned.

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>>25277589
that's because we are supposed to be the schizos, not them who pretend to be moralfags.

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>>25278547
>this situation will repeat because they're not going to listen.
theyre more likely to listen because theyre not just trolls who only follow vox to bug him, theyre madly in love with him and are far more likely to listen to him then anyone else.
and people prefer he tried instead of letting it go unchecked.
plus other fans are also going to be more willing to call out the shitty behavior because he has stated that shitty behavior isnt okay.

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>>25278479
>Again, you can enjoy parasocial relationships without being a deranged schizo. He told the crazy people to fuck off and will continue to cater to people that aren't crazy. That's not hypocritical.
Did you watch the stream? Are you even listening to what I'm saying? He did not just tell people to stop being schizos, he told off ALL gachikoi and said they're delusional. It is absolutely hypocritical to do that while doing BFE, it is his BFE that is turning them into gachikoi. If he doesn't want those people as fans he should stop doing it.

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>>25278755
>theyre madly in love with him and are far more likely to listen to him then anyone else.
Yeah, people "madly in love" with a VTuber are known for their rationality and listening to simple instructions. Are you fucking for real right now? Your argument hinges on a decidedly unstable group of people suddenly becoming balanced individuals, how do you not see that?

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>>25278601
reminder that tourists that came from the holo azurlane collab was the tipping point of when vtubing when to shit

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>>25278479
Finnana is calling out ALL the parasocial fucks so I don't know what your point is.

For Vox of course it is better if everyone is in love with him and gives him a lot of money while at the same time behaving themselves and letting him do whatever the fuck he wants.

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>>25252621
I love this. People warned about this happening and they were ridiculed for being "unicorns". Turns out they were right all along.

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>>25277589
i disagree with most of what this board says to begin with, its just hearing it come from a non-anon is worse because they have influence over more then just a stupid containment zone
>>25278765
anon its called reality checking your audience, its healthy to do that every so often so they remember to reevaluate themselves and their relationship to the streamer.

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>>25278078
you're right, the death threats aren't warranted in any way. reimu is wholely innocent in this scenario. my point still stands, however, that some of these people are knowingly exploiting peoples vulnerabilities for money, which makes them far from blameless. deranged schizos will exist regardless of what you do. but it doesn't help when you continue to court them. if you think it's worth the money, you better be ready to deal with the consequences. it's a dangerous game to play.

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>>25261178
They're trying to eat the cake and have it too, and think they have the right to do so because they're women - and because they're women they need to somehow be protected yet treated as equals at the same time. When you start picking apart what they actually think it's just paradoxes layered on top of each other endlessly.

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>>25278928
Next stream he's going to stop "reality checking his audience" and go back to collecting money by pretending to be their boyfriend. Call them delusional if you want but he's the one telling people he knows are delusion that he's their boyfriend, and then blames them when they take this seriously.

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>>25278832
the unstable group isnt nearly as generally unstable as you think, theyre hyperfocused unstable, they focus on something and then become unstable with everything else.
>>25278973
to be fair anon we did learn that she did invade his stream knowing full well that it would annoy vox and probably his audience because thats their dynamic, they fuck around with eachother and invade eachothers streams, even vox did it to one of her gfe streams.
she also had chat pigeon and that shitty of her, so i dont blame some of the kindred being a bit annoyed about a pigeon raid but the level they went to was what people had a problem with
regardless of intent, the kindred were already causing other problems that needed addressing and this happened to be the thing that broke the camels back.

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>>25279125
This really is Rushia all over again. I'll never understand the people that defend the streamers in these scenarios. They're playing with fire and are getting burnt doing so, and somehow that's the viewers' fault? What?

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>>25257139
https://files.catbox.moe/rm224g.mp4
reminder that reimu knew that he was doing BFE, she knew it would rile up his fans to call him and she did it anyway.
Its amazing how western women are so immune to facing the consequences to their actions, even when they get the exact consequences they were seeking

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>>25274415
Is that catch 22

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I don't know what that tweet means.

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>>25279170
>The streamer can't do anything wrong because I like the streamer and I don't like people who do wrong things because that would reflect poorly on me thanks to the fact that I do not have a personality beyond the media I consume.
There's your crash course explanation.

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>>25279215
Latina women are scary, you know?

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>>25279125
reality checks are not meant to go for too long anon, as they kill the illusion that entertainment provides.
theyre vibe checks, theyre just to snap people back to reality before one continues going forward so people dont go too deep.
like pinching yourself awake.

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>>25279310
I think its great that she's a big enough bitch that she had the gull to do it in the first place
almost makes me want to start watching her (almost)

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>>25279170
Say what you will about Rushia, at least she doesn't shit on her fans and blame them for her problems.

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>>25249611
>slayyyy
>queen
people actually speak/post like this? im physically recoiling at this

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>>25279249
This worship of vtubers needs to fucking end. Vtubers aren’t perfect and make mistakes they need to be held accountable. But you know it dosent help when they bitch and moan and cry about getting shit on for a problem they started.

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>>25279322
If what he was doing was honest he wouldn't have to worry about killing the illusion. And, since he's going to keep doing BFE, people will keep going too deep, and he will keep blaming them for the situation he created.

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>>25279459
yeah but she also never blamed herself for her problems when it was her fault and doubled down instead causing her to be fired.
she was sorry she was caught, not that she was "cheating".
the bad apples in kindred were causing vox problems thats why he addressed it since he was now being told by others to deal with the problem.

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>>25279573
The problem here is that the vtuber himself needs a reality check too.

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>>25279590
I really think all vtubers need a reality check at some point. They aren’t entitled to peoples money. Maybe try actually making good content instead of pandering to people you obviously don’t like.

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>>25279557
It's not a worship of VTubers, celebrities, entertainment, or media - it's a worship of self, pure self-validation. "I only like the correct things, therefore I am a good and just person."

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>>25279573
>>25279685
anon, thats why you do reality checks every so often, it acts as a reset to the timer.
he needs to make money, bfe allows for that.
if he doesnt do it someone else will and then theyll end up running into the same problem eventually anyway.
this is a problem that can only be mitigated, not stopped because the demographic and demand for it still exists regardless of vox's existence
>>25279714
yeah thats basically the primary reason for everything, the other stuff tends to be happenstance to the true reason, whether we know it or not.

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>>25279786
If he was actually sincere he would stop doing it entirely and actually try to improve his streams and be entertaining. You can’t do BFE and not expect to attract some bad apples it doesn’t work that way. He can make money a different way

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>>25279903
anon, doesnt matter if HE can, someone WILL take his place anyway because thats what happens in capitalism.

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>>25280007
And so what if someone does? That just means he’s washed himself of the problem and has a much healthier fanbase. Let the other person pander and deal with the problems it brings

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>>25249677
I view them all as potential rape victims.

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Is this nigga for real?

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>>25279786
Demand can be satisfied by analogues. There are other things lonely people can turn to, even when it comes to vtubers. Hell, even fucking idols are more healthy than straight up unapologetic BFE/GFE chuubas who tap straight into mental illness because they need money and are willing to give zero effort for it. Idolfaggotry at least provides inspirational stories and shared identity with other wota in theory. Do you realize how low the bar is?

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>>25280080
because anon, youd just make the same argument for whoever else does it.
if vox got this far with it, someone else picking up after him will also have similar success and then well be back at square 1

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Westwhores can't seem to keep themselves out of every shit drama that appears.

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>>25280210
I don't understand your argument at all. We're not trying to solve the problem here. It's unsolvable. We're just having a discussion about its causes and effects.

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>>25274415
Well, you are one sick motherfucker if you don't get withdrawals. Stay away from vtubers if you are the kind of psycho that isn't addicted.

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>>25280210
Why shouldn’t I shit on vtubers that do this sort of thing it’s fucked up. The point I’m making is he doesn't have to do this. He’s doing it because it’s easy and it makes him money. What an awful example for male vtubers this guy is

[Anonymous No.]

This is remarkably like nyanners' trajectory.
Virtue signaling is an accurate (instead of cynical) description in this case. Many predicted nijiEN would start behaving like this back when it first started but were chided as being paranoid schizos. It is the gradual transition of vtuber as an interactive anime girl, with all its hopes and dreams, to pokimane with an avatar.

Vtubing has always been a mix of the real personality and the virtual. But it's all about the ratio. Notice how the best / most popular vtubers, like Miko / Marine / Pekora, play their characters so well they feel like they're from an actual anime. Have you ever seen Gura engage in these mundane Twitter scandals? They are consummate professionals, who understand the real bits are just the icing on the cake, to make their characters relatable. It's when you put the cart before the horse and reverse the priorities, that you get essentially just twitch women with an avatar.

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>>25280149
You mist likely need to read into what parasocial actually means. Because most people are way off the mark. He is 100% correct and this is supported by science and common sense. Parasocial interactions are a great tool for resocializing people.

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>>25280007
>you don't understand, if I don't deal drugs, someone else will

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>>25253695
>GFE and BFE is fine
fuck no it isn't, at least not the model that some Holos and Nijis are using. Did you learn nothing from Rushia's disaster? From yesterday?
If you want to hire a prostitute to play pretend GF with you that's your problem, it's private and 1 on 1
But if that prostitute starts offering group dates with thousands and normalizing it you get shit like this, it's unnatural for one person to have so much attention and each orbiter thinking they have ownership or whatever goes inside their deranged head.

Maybe, hopefully this shit will stop once we get a real serious situation, maybe a vtuber needs to get murdered by a fan for this bullshit to end

[Anonymous No.]

Saying "Parasocial fucks" is being too generous. You're simps, that's what you are. Every single one of you here who constantly watch streams expecting to some day have sex with your "oshi". You're pathetic and everyone knows it, you're just used to /vt/, an echo chamber of equally pathetic human beings.

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>>25280467
Everything about Rushia's incident was caused by her own stupidity.
>inability to disable on-screen Discord notifications
>refusal to use two Discord accounts, one for work and one for personal use
>refusal to simply shut the fuck up instead of talking to the VTuber equivalent of paparazzi

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>>25280510
Nice projection loser, hows life going for you?

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>>25280510
Were you going to post this on Twitter but noticed it was over the character limit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25280510
Hi tourist. Having sex with anime? Damn give me whatever you're smoking. Unless you mean koikatsu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25280510
Suckers idolizing mediocre pussy? Sure sounds like retards defending Finana for a virtual whiff of that twat.

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>>25280467
No one cares about your prude shit. Every fandom has it's share of menheras. Most people are cultured enough to enjoy fanservice without becoming smoothbrains.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25280123
Yeah, me

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>>25280247
my point is that the cause and effects eventually happen without someone keeping them in check, vox doing reality checks every so often keeps his fans in line lowering the chances of thing getting out of hand while also allowing for the containment of those said mentally unhealthy people.
>>25280352
refer to above but also doing it is basically required in a dog eat dog world like ours, its shitty but if someones always going to end up doing it, its best that the one who has management and others to support them do it then some rando with limited support.
>>25280462
its safer to have a regulated drug dealer then some random smuck off the street who made his drugs in his basement and doesnt understand how the process works

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>>25280555
yes, but also think if that happened to a non GFE streamer. There would have been no meltdown from insane fans
basically fuck GFE and BFE and those that partake on it

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>>25280555
Cover fucked up too, just like they do with every single big incident. If anyone actually does Covering it's the talents. Just that time the talents didn't do anything. Maybe they were hoping Rushia's high ranking whales would come their way.

Too bad she reincarnated and a good amount of the Fandeads took Cover's treatment as an insult to them too so they followed her. I wonder if they're seething.

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>>25280565
>>25280589
>>25280573
Imagine being like "yeah i'm in love, infatuated with a internet streamer to the point where i defend her all day on the internet, send money to her, think about marrying her all day. But it's ok i'm totally differnt from a tier 3 pokimane simp because you see this is not a streamer, this is my kawaii idol oshi who is totally an anime character so it doesn't count, also she's pure and virginal and doesn't even know men exist because she's saving herself for me" Imagine being like this unironically and thinking it's not pathetic. This is the mind of the average /vt/schizo. You're a joke to everyone outside of this stupid corner of the internet, hell, every single other board on 4chan despises you.

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>>25280149
Yeah that nigga is for real. If you're a fan of somebody, that's a parasocial relationship. All the sports stars like Tom Brady, Lionel Messi, Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, all those niggas are in a parasocial relationship with their fans. Hell a letter in a bottle is a parasocial relationship.

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>>25280705
Cover's only fuck up was issuing that first statement instead of graduating her.

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>>25280719
you really think I'm reading this

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>>25280654
All streamers deal with meltdown from insane fans. That's how interacting with the general public works. Even people who act completely wholesome have dumbfucks trying to police their behavior.

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>>25280612
>prude
missing the point, read again. I'm sure Melody doesn't have drama like this and she's a total slut, I have no issue with that
>Most people
yeah but not all. what Vox and others are doing is giving the thumbs up to that small portion of maladjusted fans

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>>25280774
This hobby was better when it was almost exclusively for the maladjusted.

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>>25280759
Honestly denial might just be your best answer, you'd probably become suicidal if you realized how utterly pathetic you are

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>>25280719
> i defend her all day on the internet, send money to her, think about marrying her all day
Are you describing you? Cuz that ain't me. Again, give me whatever you're smoking.

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>>25280399
>Calling Gura a professional
She doesn't get involved in these twitter arguments because she literally doesn't get on twitter, her manager does it for her.

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>>25280774
Melody 100% has gachis. She used to be a camgirl. If she didn't have gachis she wouldn't have had an audience to begin with.

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>>25280799
didn't read that either, but thanks for the (you)

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>>25280719
Most of this thread says that anime girl streamers pandering to sad virgins is not a good thing. At least learn to read before providing your valuable opinion you room temperature IQ hypernigger.

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>>25280803
That's a total load of bullshit. Her past life had a decently active Twitter. She's just smart enough to stay away from it now that she's corpo and let her manager deal with it.

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>>25280764
yes but GFE content creators have a higher percentage and tardwrangling goes against that model apparently. Vox made an angry video but it will mean nothing if he keeps making date streams and enabling the delusional idiots, he's become a magnet for them
Either he stops doing that type of content (as if) or this will happen again, perhaps something worse like swatting or family dox of his coworkers? I give it a few months

[Anonymous No.]

It seems like this new loser got pissed off because someone mildly trashed pokimane and he / she thought it was somehow hypocritical. What a golden display of non-awareness.

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>>25280821
do they become keyboard warriors when she interacts with the opposite sex? That's the difference

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>>25281028
Do you not know the story of schizo who donated 10k USD to her?

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>>25252703
I watch both HojoJP and NijiJP, as well as a few indie JPs, and it's so fucking good. I got tired of Twitch-like streamers and EN is packed full of them, with some actually being Twitch streamers in their past lives. It's less about EN being inherently bad and more about most EN acting like the trash western streamers we always had.

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>>25280949
Yeah because GFE is why something like that happened to Aloe. Do your reps anon instead of going on your prudish crusade.

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>>25249611
Typical niji filth. Whores, the lot of them. Nijiniggers WILL defend this, by the way.

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>>25280406
>>25280733
>t. psychopaths

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>>25281089
>prudish
again with that word. I watch streamers that act lewd and say sexual things but they don't enable fans that want them as virtual bf/gf so no idea where you're getting that from

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>>25280949
anon for fuck sake, if you were paying attention even if he wasnt continuing the BFE, someone would take his place and the issue would happen to them instead.
if anything stopping BFE is more likely to miss off more people and cause more problems, thats what bilibili did when they shut down all of the vtuber section when her redirected stream talked about taiwan shortly after hachama had also.
that pissed off more people then it wouldve pissed of the select individuals that wouldve been pissed by it.
basically, its taking an issue that can be resolved with a "please remember this is for entertainment" every so often and resolving it by going to "NO MORE CONTENT YOU GUYS LIKE FROM ME BECAUSE SOME LITTLE SHIT WERE ACTING UP"

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>>25257526
Exactly. The discourse is doing my head in right now. But I guess this is what you get when it's lead by people whose central qualification is voice acting behind an anime avatar and not their intellect. But you'd think chuubas would take an interest in what they are doing for a living.

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>>25281213
Because there's nothing inherently wrong with that content besides dumbfucks like you who get a stick up their ass about it. Vox got this kind of shit because he's popular. Just like most large content creators who at some point or another will have to deal with dumbasses in their fanbase.

Do you think someone who gets overly attached to a content creator to the point that they go full menhera is going to give a shit if they say "We're not dating"?

There was even that one incident where a content creator was married, their audience knew they were married, and some psycho showed up at their house to kill their husband to replace him.

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>>25249611
it hurts, doesn't it? come on back, our arms are always open, waiting for you

[Anonymous No.]

Vox's BFE was going just fine until Reimu knowingly and deliberately crashed his date, and he was essentially forced to make an overblown apology/"reality check" because his western and taiwanese fans thought he didn't apologize well enough. If this eats into his superchats it's just another example of "never apologize", especially since nothing was his fault in the first place

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>>25281249
I don't think any reaction from the bugmen should be taken into account, there's a wiki article about offending their feelings and any small action can do it.
It's not only the content but the approach to fan interaction that makes the crazy ones feel at home and I'm sure Vox will keep doing it even if he doesn't realize. Nothing short of a rebrand will drive them away but it should happen and they should be somewhere else, maybe in one of those porn livestream sites.
The community should banish GFE to their own hugboxes far away from the more normal vtubers

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>>25280654
The thing with the Rushia incident is, all of the "insane meltdown" was by people who hated vtubers, hated Hololive specifically, or hated Rushia or what Rushia was doing specifically, tourist nips falseflagging essentially, meanwhile all of her top donators were patiently waiting for her response and never once abandoned her. The "insane fans" were ironically the most patient people in the entire incident while everyone who hated GFE was blowing it up.

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>>25281592
Yeah some Fandeads were upset about it, but most accepted it. Some even drew fanart which didn't really help the situation at all, but was a nice thought.

Mafu's fans meanwhile were a much bigger shitfest because he constantly tells his audience that he's asexual and has no interest in women. They cared about that more than him interacting with someone from the opposite sex.

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>>25281431
You're right, mr. tanigo, I'll go back to watching iinchou, patora and nanashi's cumdump, thank you so much.

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>>25249611
viewers will just drop her, finana's appeal is diminishing real fast

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>>25281412
>nothing inherently wrong with that
enabling mentally ill people is not ok. When you do you get men wanting to cut their dick because "they can be any gender" and women showing up at the door of people who get too close to "their bf" to threaten and even attack them

Read up on kpop fan drama, it's the same shit. Hell if that's too off tpic read some of the comments GFE retards posted when mafu appeared on Rushia's screen, you could feel their delusion crumbling though the screen

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>>25281249
i really don't get your argument. you keep talking about dog eat dog crap and if he dosen't do it somebody else will. why does any of that matter? for being as big as he is he should set an example and just not do this type of content anymore. and then maybe future male vtubers will try to be actually entertaining instead of being BFE

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>>25281875
If a big BFE streamer leaves, it leaves a vacuum for someone else, since the previous customer base that wants BFE didn't vanish.
There's no magic way to stop BFE because it sells. Streamers have virtually no power over that and there's no example to set.

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>>25281124
Inferring someone's boundry and respecting is parasocial behavior, anon.

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>>25281741
You already disproved yourself. Basically anything that gets popular generates menheras. That's why KPop, VAs, idols, western celebrities, streamers, any content creator if you even do a surface level look it enables mentally ill people. If you really give a shit about that, get a padded room and start rounding people up instead of being a schizo who thinks they can tell grown adults that they don't know what to do.

I am not sure why you're so dumb anon. I hope you get well soon.

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>>25281529
I would not discount the surge of short-term interest and superchats as tourists check out what happened. Rather, we should check back 2 months from now and see the full effects.

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>>25281124
>t. uninformed nigga

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>>25277947
On some subject sure, but most of the time you will get someone diehard disagreeing with you, even if its a option that is shared by most regulars

[Anonymous No.]

>"Finana is finished!!!"
>meanwhile she's currently streaming at her highest CCV in weeks
Once again, /vt/ dramafags are always wrong.

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>>25281875
him changing his content all a sudden wont set an example because any other time someone pivots their content suddenly they lose a lot of people who only watched for the said content.
do you really think most of them would stay if he stop doing bfe?
do you think most of the fandead wouldve stayed if rushia stopped doing gfe?
pivots in content also take time, introducing new content to phase out the old stuff so more people are willing to stay as they learn about the new content.
a pivot requires bring in new people as well to make up for the enevitable leaving of fans.

the only way for gfe/bfe content to go away is for the need and want for it to go away, a drug addict isnt going to suddenly stop doing drugs just because his dealer was busted, theyll find a new dealer or a new drug

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>>25281249
>an issue that can be resolved with a "please remember this is for entertainment" every so often
Is it? BFE/GFE advocates say that everyone sane realizes that without reminders because it's common sense. Now apparently they need reminders "every so often". And what about schizos who don't want it to be for entertainment? Won't they just leave for someone who would take his place and won't remind them that it's entertainment? Why bother playing the dark knight then?
The way I see it the more good chuubas provide good content the more susceptible people end up watching them instead of spiraling down the sinkhole of virtual cabaret/host clubs designed to prey on mental illness. There is no abstract "demand" for BFE that spawns new yumejo out of thin air when they get interested in something else, it's real people with real issues and real limited free time they can spend on watching vtubers. Vox can't change the world but he has agency over his own content and I can change my attitude towards him based on his decisions. At the very fucking least he can be more accommodating of his schizos and try to help them with their problems instead of going full "not my kindred" the second they sperg out instead of throwing money at him. God knows, he gets more money than your average shrink for his trouble.

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>>25282321
For as long as i can remember feesh is like other nijiENs around 2k viewers so nothing is different. And most people already don't watch her anyway.

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>>25282334
this, he could hire competent mods and external managers to do the dirty job for him. He clearly wasn't ready for the explosive success and the baggage that came with

[Anonymous No.]

>>25282321
you're just a ryucuck

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>>25282334
>everyone sane realizes that without reminders
yeah and people arent always sane and do need the reminder, being sane is something thats always in flux with people.

anon you seem to be missing a critical piece in all this that is our society is ran by corporations who abuse us for profit while not paying us enough to survive, let alone fulfilling lives.
they socially engineered these markets to exploit the unwellness in society and use that to sell thing to make us feel happy.
people cant break out of this under capitalism because anywhere they do its going to be the same, and the few exceptions cant handle the load of a bunch of people joining them.
dont hate the player, hate the game.
>>25282459
anon what is a mod going to do about someone developing a deep emotional investment in someone if those same people wont listen to anyone but the one theyre invested in?
the kindred tried to wrangle the bad apples too but they cant do enough to suppress them.
also basically no one is ever really ready for success in vtubing, most of its a gamble and some win and some lose.

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>>25281529
Meanwhile, Vox texted around 40 chats in Reimu's dinner date, just because phantomos doesn't exist doesn't mean you guys can say only Reimu is doing this lmao
https://niji.chats.ninja/#/live/A8zhe53Xono

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>>25282840
Neither are ok, but as you yourself said, there are no Reimu fans to get mad in the first place. Schrodinger's outrage

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>>25282700
>dont hate the player, hate the game.
There is no game, you imagined it because you aggregate too much. A year ago 90% of posters on /vt/ were sure that there was next to no demand for English speaking male vtubers because none of the indies doing what Vox is doing had any success. Now it's supposed to be immutable. I'm sure Vox changing his content wouldn't cure every femcel in Asia. I'm also sure that some of them would be better off and that the ones who wouldn't give up on BFE wouldn't be getting their fix anywhere near me.

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>>25283223
the game is capitalism anon, are you telling me you wouldnt exploit others for your benefit so you could maybe live a happy life?
doesnt matter your choice, because someone else will have no qualms with doing so.
morals don't matter at the end of the day, its survival of the fittest and the current means of survival requires capital
also the status queue changes anon, the anons before didnt believe boy could be successful because they lacked the data to prove their success and had limited data to prove failure.
/vt/ and numberfags only have limited data, interpretations of incomplete or complete data can still be right or wrong despite what evidence there is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25280399
The difference is Nyanners went after people who don't hurt anyone, Finana pushed back against people who are actively out to hurt others. There is a clear difference.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25281431
Fuck off you spineless meek corpo shrew

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>>25280555
I love it how you think the problem was the discord notifications and not the psychotic fucks that took it personally. No rational person cares about the stupid discord notification.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25284751
>I love it how you think the problem was the discord notifications
It was, and I don't really care if you believe otherwise because you're simply incorrect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25284783
I don't believe otherwise, I know otherwise.

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>>25261178
Remember when everyone was dumping on Trash Taste for being "ironic weebs"? This is exactly why. They'll enjoy the same thing but if it becomes inconvenient they turn on the core fanbase and start saying they're a better class of fan because they only really like these things ironically and don't take it seriously like the pathetic losers who do. They're not actual fans, they're parasites who infest and destroy hobbies because they want social clout above all things.

[Anonymous No.]

/vt/ is literally worse than those midlife-crisis office gossip-sisters who can't stop causing drama where there is none. This is like reddit + twitter cancer but even worse, how tf is this board still up?

[Anonymous No.]

>nijiEN is finished! I give them a week or two before graduations start happening!

said the schizo since may 2021

[Anonymous No.]

>>25284883
You can take something seriously without acting out in a borderline criminal manner because another streamer dared send a text message.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25285061
>You can
And they don't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25284719
Said the guy who watch Nijisanji, another CORPO vtuber group lel

[Anonymous No.]

>thinking internet death threats matter
>thinking internet death threats from 4'6'' chinese girls matter

[Anonymous No.]

>>25281529
vox fans were already unhinged before
the last 2 weeks before this one he was adressing shit. Voc just doesnt know how to do a good parasocialrelationship with his fans because the langauge barrier makes it impossible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25285230
Also because he doesn't care to, which he shouldn't, because community management isn't his job.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25285276
he cares enough to pander to them. Now he has to live with the awful realtionship he has made with them. if anything yesterday show he needs to become a community manager sometimes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25285438
You misunderstand, when I say he doesn't care I mean he doesn't care about training them to behave. He'll give half-assed efforts like last night but everyone already knows things will go back to the way they were.

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>>25282840
It was barely roleplay and wasn't scripted like Vox's skits are, and Vox at least stayed on topic instead of asking Reimu about how to get the true ending in fnaf like come on Reimu even knew how mad everyone would be but did it anyway
her ass was saved by people going too far

[Anonymous No.]

Here's an idea.
Get a fucking girlfriend with a last name that isn't ".jpg"

[Anonymous No.]

Finana is dead to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>25277947
Literally every social media platform, even here, eventually becomes an echo chamber, is there no hope for us?

[Anonymous No.]

>parasocial bad
>btw don't forget to buy our merch and superchat wink wink

[Anonymous No.]

>>25252703
Or just watch hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>25249677
>patches of grass at the bottom
It's a nice touch

[Anonymous No.]

>>25285797
You know your talentless whore streamers wouldnt have a job if it werent for the parasocial and lonely
Go ahead, list away their unique skillsets and talents that differentiate themselves in the entertainment industry, Im waiting
Heres my solution, how about get a real job

[Anonymous No.]

>>25285797
Yeah, let's all just get girlfriends. I'll just walk on down the girlfriend grove and pick a girlfriend from the relationship bushes along the whore hedges.

[Anonymous No.]

kys fag

[Anonymous No.]

>>25284942
Go the fuck back, /vt/ isn't responsible for this shit. It's all on Vox and his audience
>>25284974
Nice strawman

[Anonymous No.]

>>25257139
>pic rel
such a based take

[Anonymous No.]

>>25287009
Have you tried socializing

[Anonymous No.]

>>25287411
Have you tried a Clorox smoothie?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25284942
>how tf is this board still up?
moderation is sporadic at best and actively antagonistic towards the quality of the board at worst
its a containment board that the rest of the site hates and most of the active posters now are just drama obsessed gossiping faggots trying to turn anything and everything into more drama

[Anonymous No.]

>>25279100
^This, only one which matters

[Anonymous No.]

so is finana's latest rrat about the two dudes real or not?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25288126
will the sun rise?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25249611
watching streamers is not a hobby

[Anonymous No.]

>>25249611
>picrel
>blaming nijiEN
what's Calliope Mori?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25249677
>1
If she's streaming unarchived karaoke I'm not going out

[Anonymous No.]

>NIJIEN ruins everything

lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>25287009
best post in thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>25249611
>SLAYYYY
>QUEEN
>Talk to em
Those 3 posts read like sarcasm
Do twitterfags actually speak their minds like that? I've grown accustomed to anons using those three sentences as memes, usually making fun of a viewpoint that is widely disagreed upon in the 4chan zeitgeist

[Anonymous No.]

>>25295977
its twitter, people with lot of free time got there to post shit, its normal

[Anonymous No.]

>>25249677
There's a million places for you to be but you choose to invade this shitty hobby to seethe about how people should just give money to whores for free, when in reality you should go back to twitch and stay there.