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2652025 No.2652025[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

how did gura become top holo in terms of numbers? she's not even the most entertaining among EN, let alone the entirety of hololive

>> No.2652095
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2652095

popularity carried over when people discovered her previous channel
also Japanese people love the UUOOOOHHHH model

>> No.2652144

>>2652025
>god tier design
>twitch thots called her pedo bait so people supported her because nobody likes twitch thots
>least erotic HoloEN design made companies more comfortable interacting with her on twitter
>children really like her for some fucking reason
also >>2652095

>> No.2652150

GAWR GUUOOOOOOOOOOHRA

>> No.2652173

>>2652095
Mostly this.

>>2652144
>twitch thots called her pedo bait so people supported her because nobody likes twitch thots
Source on that?

>> No.2652176

JP likes her for cute model
Her meme debut combined with rising Vtuber hype got her a lot of attention
Also if you used to have 1m channel you're bound to get some nice sub boost.
What I'm more surprised is her constant growth which is quite good.

>> No.2652195

cute and funny model

>> No.2652217

>>2652173
How do you know about her previous channel but not about the Venti drama?

>> No.2652235

>>2652144
>god tier design
I keep hearing this but I don't understand. Her face looks so fucking badly drawn. Shark teeth are always based but her face is so fucking basic. Rest of her is just blue and white

>> No.2652245

>>2652025
She's an experienced vtuber that knows how to go viral.

>> No.2652246

>>2652235
cute and funny

>> No.2652332

>>2652235
i couldn't stand watching her when i first started watching vtube stuff because of her model. something about the rigging makes her eyes kinda awkwardly shut but not quite, like some weird half blinking that just made me physically uncomfortable

>> No.2652339

>>2652173
That Venti cunt tried to get her cancelled.

>> No.2652347

>>2652217
Because not everybody pays attention to everything that any particular entertainer does or has going on in their life. I also don't know who the hell Venti is.

>> No.2652375

>>2652217
no one gives a shit about twitch drama
if you care about who cancelled who please end yourself no one cares about that shit

>> No.2652425

>>2652235
The rest of holoEN look like downies it makes her look better by comparison

>> No.2652480

>>2652347
>>2652375
But it was all over /hlgg/ back in September. You couldn't have missed it.

>> No.2652493
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>>2652025
>desing, she was the most subscribed before debut
>"A" thing during debut got viral, rigging the algorithm on her favor
>cute voice that sounds friendly and welcoming
>plays horror kusoge that drives to cute reactions and makes for more clipable content
>great singing voice
>despite not being particulary funny on herself she has great comedic timing
>and most important, NOT A FUCKING APEX MERCHANT FUCK THAT STUPID CHINK SHIT GAME

>> No.2652540

>>2652425
nigga what, everyone else in EN was drawn and designed by better artists

>> No.2652551

>>2652332
I know what you mean. Overall her model just seems really fucking cheap. But pedos outnumber us I guess

>>2652425
Hers seems the most downie to me, next to Kiara's. Mori's overall model is really nice by itself but the way she makes it move and shit is unsettling.

>> No.2652593

>>2652375
It’s not that big of a deal but it was important for her starting up as it got hordes of twitter virgins tripping over themselves to defend her from the evil 3d women.

>> No.2652621

>>2652540
Huke tried his best to prove you wrong.

>> No.2652685

>>2652551
her rigging is awful but her model is fine and fits her personality

>> No.2652777

>>2652685
>her model is fine and fits her personality
you mean she's a cheap-ass basic bitch whose only defining quality is "cute and funny!!!"

>> No.2652818

>>2652025
A combination of being a meme that went viral, a decent design, being apart of the first english generation from a major vtuber corporation, great singing voice, plays lots horror game kusoge
All while debuting at a time were interest in vtuber was at it's preverbal peak
Her meteoric rise to fame was basically perfect storm of multiple things that were both in and out of her control, as I result I feel it could safely be said that will never be a vtuber who shoots up the subscriber count as quickly as her

>> No.2652833

>>2652777
I can tell you're not looking for an honest answer with the way you type

>> No.2652863

>>2652777
Nobody in this thread has said she was a good entertainer. She just has way more normie appeal than the rest of her gen.

>> No.2652980

>>2652025
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id80P35P6O0
Catchiest bg theme since Pekora, who also got a big fat boost from hers.

>>2652095
Shouldn't Calli be on top by that logic? Her roommate is more famous and more widely known.

>> No.2653030

>>2652833
Type these nuts across your face

>>2652863
This is probably the only post that's made any sense. She's basically this generation's nyanners, now that nyanners is old and busted

>> No.2653072

>>2652980
>Her roommate is more famous and more widely known.
She had/has a niche following but Gura's roommate by far had more mass appeal and was widely known for her meme videos racking of up millions of views

>> No.2653087

>>2653030
she literally is a nyanners clone lmao
her Senzawa channel was her doing nyanners style edgy meme videos in a loli voice

>> No.2653120

>>2652863
The premise of the thread is why she's popular relative to other holos. She wouldn't reach 2.5 mil if she wasn't good at entertaining, but no serious person will argue that she's twice as good at it as Calli, Korone, or Fubuki.

>> No.2653152

>>2652980
>Calli
absolutely disgusting
she literally sounds like every fat weeb girl I've worked with at minimum wage jobs as a teenager

>> No.2653198

>>2653120
Entertaining is subjective. There are really fucking awful normie streamers that have millions of subs catering to the lowest common denominator but I'll listen to Miko boat all day every day

>> No.2653205

>>2653120
Not saying she’s awful, but you don’t need to be good at entertaining to get subs, you just need a strong hook. People subscribe, watch a video for 5 minutes, leave and never bother unsubscribing

>> No.2653233

>>2653087
Nyanners without the SJW schizo posting is a pretty good niche to be in though. We'd be talking about why she's the most popular holo right now if she hadn't thrown it all away on a women's studies degree.

>> No.2653260

>>2653205
What prevents all other girls to do so then?

>> No.2653267

how foolish of me on believing this wasn't another Gura anti thread

>> No.2653274

>>2652332
Apparently she wears glasses, and it fucks up the tracking.

>> No.2653292

>>2653233
I don't know about you kids but the last thing I want is another egirl "weeb" regurgitating edgy internet memes. Doesn't matter if she's SJW or not. When did this become acceptable?

>> No.2653305

>>2652025
Her old account already had more subs than any holo, it's literally no surprise.

>> No.2653361

>>2653267
The same threads with the same topics are posted almost daily. At some point you have to know that these retards already know the answer since it's been asked so frequently and just looking for a reaction.

>> No.2653397

>>2653233
>SJW
lmao

>> No.2653400

>>2653305
that was kinda surprising too because she didn't consistently upload content

>> No.2653470
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>>2653361
>just looking for a reaction.
I don't know anon, they say this but it seems like the orange woman and the blue womanchild are actually living in their heads rent-free

>> No.2653478

>>2653260
her “hook” is all the stars aligning for her to blow up and become the face of vtubers in the west. If someone wants to check out that vtubing thing theyll watch gura first. you can’t really have more than one “face” so the rest of the girls have to work hard in their niche and out of the mainstream.

>> No.2653601

>>2652025
she's top in subs. that's it. she gets blown out of the water in every other category. the subs thing was just hype from HoloEN there was bound to be one that exploded in subs like she did. most of those subs are dead now

>> No.2653647

i only care about karaoke. i dont really watch her outside of those

>> No.2653662

>>2653601
she has 725.000 views in her last VOD

>> No.2653672

>>2653478
Ah, so that is all you can see.
I am a bit disappointed because I was not expecting such a shallow thinking.

>> No.2653815

>>2653601
No she doesn't. She might not get the most live viewers but she is still top 5. In VOD views she is comfortably #1 and she still does well in superchats despite not milking people for them at all, she rarely does superchat readings either. Even after the "decline" she is still one of the top vtubers in the entire world (top 5 at least).

>> No.2654120

>>2653662
>>2653815
VOD views don't matter. Someone can watch for 30 seconds and it counts as a view. She isn't even top in EN in supachat. Definitely in the upper echelon of holos, especially as popularity goes, but not the top holo imo.

>> No.2654188

>>2654120
VOD views are extrememly important for ads and trending in the algorithm. Also, the 30 seconds thing applies to every holo and she still comforably beats everybody in that category.

>> No.2654241

>there are more eop monkeys in the world than japanese speakers
Wow

>> No.2654352

>>2652980
>roommate was more famous.
not really. more prolific maybe, but not famous.
plus shark's roommate had a greater previous streaming presence.

>> No.2654377

>>2654241
Nice self-hating, monkey.

>> No.2654384

>>2652025
ok, boomer, whatever you say, boomer

>> No.2654390

>>2654120
it matters if you're calling her subs dead. If they bother watching 30 seconds then they aren't dead

>> No.2654392

why do you guys say roommate? it's weird

>> No.2654405

>>2652025
Take your time? More like take your meds.

>> No.2654406

>>2654188
I dont even know if she beats everyone in views. checking holostats she's ninth all time, and isn't top at the last month or last week either.

>> No.2654447

>>2654352
Not really
A good portion of Herfags didnt even know she streamed on twitch.

>> No.2654486

>>2653072
Therrs reson why gura ditched em anway

>> No.2654512

>>2654392
Lurk more.

>> No.2654531

>>2652025
Yes Ame and Ina are very entertaining Kapp.

>> No.2654566

>>2654486
because they were pedos? not really ditching them as gura...

>> No.2654600

>>2654486
Nah, the reason she left is because she can't think of actual streaming content when she streams. Being in a company gives you a lot of incentives and content from collabs to anime to merch etc plus handling things like controversies and needing "friends" is easier when you're in a company.

>> No.2654623

>>2654406
everyone above of her has 1 to 3 years of advantage

>> No.2654703

>>2654623
I know. That that's why i said she wasn't top in views for the past week or month. If she really was top in VOD views she would be at the top for these timelines

>> No.2654732

>>2654486
I think she wanted a "reset" to a degree which makes it ironic considering how quickly she blew up

>> No.2655046

>>2654703
well you have to dwell into more specific reasons to know why. Korone had a hyped cuphead collab with Okayu this week so her final VOD has 1M views, Calli released a song in the same timeframe and so on. This is why numberfagging is pointless and it's only useful for tribalism.

>> No.2655686

>>2652235
I prefer simple designs to clustered garbage personally.

Despite this I find gura pretty boring.

>> No.2655805

>>2653672
just call me a faggot next time mate this actually hurt

>> No.2655893

I don't follow gura at all, what's she done that's noteworthy since ride on time debut? i don't mean like moderately funny moments or her karaoke which she's clearly good at. not trolling btw

>> No.2656042

>>2655893
she should do songs like her roommate did but all she does is stream. i know cumchuds say it's cause of mental health issues or whatever but she's stale to me

>> No.2656068

>>2655893
Sweet FA. Streamed some gameplay I guess?

>> No.2656079

>>2654392
Go back newfriend

>> No.2656080

>>2656042
If I had a nickel for every egirl with mental issues

>> No.2656143

>>2653601
>she gets blown out of the water in every other category
Only because people don't know how to do statistics. They point to her superchats being low for her subcount without realizing that she streams significantly less hours than most of the others, her superchats to time streamed/time spent reading them ratio is ridiculous.

>> No.2656309

>>2652025

1. There's more of a market for English Vtubers than Japanese ones, so getting a lot of subs as part of Hololive EN is easy mode.

2. She almost always starts her streams during American primetime, which allows more people to watch her after work/school.

3. She often chooses popular games to stream. Especially lately she's been going nuts with Super Metroid, Resident Evil 2 remake, and Devil May Cry 5.

4. She tries to be kid friendly to an extent, and her design is also super appealing to kids.

5. She's good at doing clip worthy things.

>> No.2656822

>>2656143
I had a brief look at https://playboard.co/en/youtube-ranking/most-superchatted-all-channels-in-worldwide-monthly again, Gura was at #23 worldwide for March which is great for how much less she streams than others (she does literally half the streams of everyone else). The real abberation was Kiara doing way better than expected. She's currently #5 for superchats worldwide on a monthly basis. KFP are fucking monstrous.

>> No.2656900

>>2656822
Yeah Kiara really nailed that market. Most of her antis on this board are probably femcels jealous that she's rolling in cash.

>> No.2657766

>>2652347
>I also don't know who the hell Venti is.
And you're a more happy person for that, trust me bro.

>> No.2662925

>>2656309
>4. She tries to be kid friendly to an extent, and her design is also super appealing to kids.
why the fuck are there children watching

>> No.2663621
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>>2652025
I blame this too

>> No.2663781

Character design

>> No.2664468

>>2652025
Another thinly veiled Gura hate thread. Did you fuckers just start doing this after you realized your Kiara shit stopped working?

>> No.2665225

>>2664468
trannies have something against Kiara and Gura, so they coordinate anti threads from time to time on their discord when it's not dilating or child harrasing time

>> No.2667122
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>>2652025
The power of Memes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lcOyt_403U

>> No.2667160

>>2667122
I really wanna know, what did the other Hololive members think when that happened?

>> No.2667168

>>2652025
westerners want lolis but they can't say it publicly or they get cancelled

>> No.2667198

>>2667160
it must suck if you've been doing it for a while and the newcomer blows way past everyone. i feel bad for old and busted holos

>> No.2667268

>>2667198
The whole story up to today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SM89oi7cCI

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>>2667268
Numbers 1 year before EN

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>>2667268
Numbers for EN debut month

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The loli buff is real, and quite potent.

>> No.2667487

>>2667399
>>2667449
Fast forward to now, Top 13 Holos are over 1 million

>> No.2667576

>>2667268
>watching og sora slowly go down until she falls off the board
you monster, why would you create this

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The power of gremlins

>> No.2667726

>>2654447
I'm not a HER-fag, but I was aware of HER youtube but not HER twitch.

>> No.2668006

>>2652025
she's the entry level vtuber for newfags

>> No.2668228

The only thing she has going for her is her big ass subscriber count.
I haven't checked in a while, but doesn't Coco lead in donation money, and Pecor in watchtime?

>> No.2668390

>>2668228
She is also gut bustingly funny probably the funniest streamer I have seen in my entire life. She's also one of the best singers I have ever heard if not the best.

>> No.2668433

>>2668390
So true chumbud

>> No.2668559

>>2654732
>tfw accrue a MASSIVE reddit following because a whore uses your meme song to dance on tik tok while wearing a slutty bernie sander's cheerleading uniform
>DESPERATELY TRY TO HIT EJECT BUTTON
>sell your soul to a Japanese company that severly limits what you can stream and upload
>say ONE VOWEL
>it comes back
>doubled
>and now there's kids
>and there are autists obsessed with "unmasking" you
>and you become the largest person (cucking established members out of a major milestones in WEEKS in the proccess) in the company, leading to friction (real or otherwise) with the idols you look up to
I think if she had been anything less than number 1 in subscribers. It would be much less pressure. Her best streams are the ones where she forgets to give a shit. Even her karaoke streams suffer from her own high expectations for herself stemming from the perception others have that she's a great singer (which to be fair, she is, but she didn't get hired FOR or BECAUSE of that). I hope she continues to grow into it.

>> No.2668561

>>2667198
>when nobody cares about Aki because she's not constantly clip worthy or amazing at singing.

>> No.2668725

>>2656822
>the first non-vtuber is matthew maccounaghey
Lmao

>> No.2670897

>>2667268
I know this isn't the thread for it but can anyone explain what happened with Choco? She started strong but then just stalled out, and she's been underperforming ever since. What's the story there, if there is one?

>> No.2670928

>>2670897
youtube-kun fucked over her asmr streams.

>> No.2670984

>>2670928
Yea, but for this long? The noticable thing though, some in Hololive did not get subscribers propagate from EN

For example, Noel managed to accelerate her subscriber rate lately by courting English speakers.

>> No.2671048

>>2667576
Regardless, Sora's status as Hololive's trail blazer cements her for eternal respect

>> No.2671201

>>2670984
It was a combination of youtube-kun and her not wanting to play anything but mc/apex/ark for months on end while the EOP booms were happening.

>> No.2671305

>>2652025
cunny

>> No.2671381

>>2652025
Because Youtube unironically has a massive audience of little kids and Gura funnily enough attracted a shit ton of them, the channels with the biggest amount of views are all related to Children stuff like toys reviews and shit like that, Gura was legitimately lucky enough that her design opened a fucking vortex to that public that immediately flew to her channel

>> No.2671406

>>2652235
It is a pretty simplistic design, i don't think is bad but yeah i have to agree saying it is "god-tier design" is extremely overselling it

>> No.2671431

Gura has a bunch of dead subs. She's not even close to being the most popular or richest holo

>> No.2671554

>>2655893
Honestly for the little i've seen of her and comments of her chumbuds she seems like an extremely average streamer, moderately funny sometimes and good Karaoke but nothing in her content really makes you think "ooooh now i get why she has this many subs"

>> No.2671587

>>2662925
You already read the answer to that question, because her design is appealing to them, its not as if kids have standards of quality or something if they see something they find appealing they will want to consume it

>> No.2671627

>>2652025
She was the first actual loli.
Thats it.

>> No.2671631

>>2668390
C'mon now it is retarded how biased this clearly is

>> No.2671644
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Because she is cute and funny.

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>>2652025
>oct: 20m
>nov: 14m
>dec: 14.3m
>jan: 14.1m
>feb: 11.8m
>mar: 9.6m
dead subs

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>>2653397
I'm sorry you were saying?

>> No.2672341

>>2671676
Nijicope

>> No.2672418

>>2670897
Her primary content is asmr and lewd streams so when youtube nuked that she just doesn't have much content anymore. She's been struggling and failing to find a replacement since.

>> No.2672940

>>2672418
She should move to Twitch then.

>> No.2673045

>>2672940
is there any reason hololive only streams on youtube? i feel like streaming on twitch would be the more lucrative platform regardless of content

>> No.2673117

>>2673045
Twitch is a different culture, women there are too slutty, vtuber or not. A french indie also once mentioned how different the people chatting there are compared to youtube, they're more spammy and don't really interact with the person more than with themselves. Also vtubers dominate streaming on Youtube, why move when you're already the big dog in a platform which honestly isn't all that far behind from Twitch.

>> No.2673507

>>2673045
Twitch hasn't really taken off in japan yet so they view the main two "options" as either youtube or NicoNico
Miko is pretty the only hololive member that frequently uses twitch, and she mostly only uses it for the built in amazon prime video feature for watchalongs

>> No.2673988

>>2673045
It's just a guess from how they reacted to Coco's idea to use streamable way back when, but i think cover is going all in on youtube thinking that they are dealing with a thinking person that can be negotiated with and not just a souless corporation run by monkeys who barely know what they are doing.

>> No.2674513

>>2672322
wtf did I just read.

the last 2 is extremely ridiculous.

>> No.2674524

>>2674513
Nyanner's tumblr blog

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>>2673045
twitch would only really benefit holoEN

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Why is the quality of threads here outside of generals so terrible?

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>>2676650
Because people who venture outside of them have literally nothing better to besides complain and shitpost.

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>>2652025
https://youtu.be/XIqdy9qOyuk?t=971

>> No.2682339

>>2652217
knowing that a chinese game ruined this bitch's google ref makes me feel so good

>> No.2686767

>>2682147
lmao wtf

>> No.2689403

>>2686767
omg becky like absolutely pathedic.....

>> No.2689498

>>2682147
Oh my god is that the ayylmao girl?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCOIZDttei4

>> No.2689611

>>2654241
Good.

>> No.2689927

>>2689498
>Being mad ironically to hide real seethe
Always cringe

>> No.2690510

>>2674730
Twitch actively encourages lewd content, so the lewd holos wouldn't have to self-censor and wouldn't get banned/shadowbanned/buried by algorythms. The downside is that they would be competed directly with Vshoujo, which is built on lewd, but Twitch has a pretty much unlimited supply of horny teenage boys, so they would (probably) come out ahead.

>> No.2690693

>>2690510
Vshojo's CEO is a Twitch founder. Twitch blatantly plays favorites often. hololive won't last a month if they tried to compete with Vshojo on Twitch

>> No.2691009

>>2690693
>Twitch blatantly plays favorites often.
So does Youtube. Ultimately using Twitch is a bandage on the more serious problem of Cover's entire existence being completely dependent on a fickle Silicone Valley company, now that they're unwelcome on Bili and too dependent on viewers that don't/barely speak Japanese to return to NND. They need to build their own platform and host the best content that will generate the most akasupas there. The most financially successful Youtubers tend to be the ones who work the hardest at cutting out Google from their revenue stream.

>> No.2691046

>>2652025
>top holo in terms of numbers
kek she rarely gets into the weekly top 10 of sc people much less the top 5
her life views are also not that great
>vod views
thats cool and all but those are meaningless if most of them use adblock or dip out before the first ad even pops up

>> No.2691106

>>2691009
Not nearly as much as twitch. I doubt they'd let their vtubers be overshadowed by former youtubers

>> No.2691156

>>2691009
The most financially successful youtubers rely on merchandise, not on moving to other platforms.

>> No.2691248

>>2691009
>They need to build their own platform and host the best content that will generate the most akasupas there
they don't have the money or resources to make something that would work even half as good as youtube and they would need to convince viewers to make the jump.

>> No.2691383

>>2691156
They take a multi-pronged approach. Merch is good and all, but you're still giving someone else a cut. Third party donation services like Subscribe Star take a smaller cut, so you should have one set up. In video promotions like Raid and Dollar Shave club put money directly in the creator's pocket, but you generally don't have enough offers to do them every video, and HL's enormous roster would chew through them instantly. Putting members only content on your own site lets you retain creative freedom and capture the entire subscription fee. In the case of streaming, you could also host "important" streams like birthdays, 3d debuts, and anniversaries on your own site so the whales empty their wallets directly into yours.

>>2691248
If Tim Pool can do it so can Cover. You don't need to leave Youtube to have your own site for your best content.

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