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Can you believe this shit?

>> No.27132668

>>27132570
seems fake, I don't see a percentage for connor's condom money

>> No.27132671

>>27132570
Ye

>> No.27132858

>>27132668
That's where Mori's $7 goes.

>> No.27132914

>>27132570
lmao, I can't believe anyone believes that shit. Moona has debunked it long time ago.

>> No.27132972

>>27132570
I know this is wrong but we should spread it anyway because its a great shitpost

>> No.27133015

>>27132570
That's bullshit, but I believe it.

>> No.27133183

>>27132570
Why the fuck are taxes so high on that.
Also fuck just use streamlabs at least cut Google out of the equation.

>> No.27133233

Oh nyo
Anyways...

>> No.27133466

holocucks paying corpo and making the talents live on boyfriend money or starve lmao

>> No.27133677

why even read superchats or activate them at all?

>> No.27133850

>>27132570
Doesnt cover take a less than half of whats left percent after youtube takes their share? This is probably fake.

>> No.27134366

Yeah, I hate taxes.

>> No.27134535

>>27133183
It's assuming that she pays the highest tax in Japan which is 40%. She definitely makes more than 18 million yen but that's accounting for the other stuff like ad revenue, sponsorship, membership, con fees and merch sales as a whole package. The chart is skewed since it's assuming that she breaks 18 million yen every year on superchats. US is at 37% if you make more than $539,901 based on the 2022 fed income tax bracket. Besides, I think they make a bulk of their money off memberships anyway since that's a more steady flow of income than superchats that vary from day to months. That's why you can have multiple girls not stream for days and take vacation or play games where they don't get monetized because it's probably nothing to them in the grand scheme of things in terms of profits. That's probably closer to the truth than here where people are fighting over who makes the most over superchats which is just a more expensive version of a tip. Waiters don't always live on tips alone and I assume most but not all vtubers are similar. There are exceptions but for the most part, they are all paid comfortably by other monetary means.

>> No.27134924

>>27132914
>>27132972
How is it really?

>> No.27135018

>>27134535
Nah, it's based on some shit she said about paying taxes to both US and JP, which is either A) a lie or B) shows she's an idiot for not looking into tax laws and just blindly paying it, because their is specific exemptions for expats in that situation.

>> No.27135418

>>27132570
So 4/5ths of the money she actually earns goes to taxes?

>> No.27135458

>itt anons not understanding how tax brackets work

>> No.27135492

>>27132570
WTF, that's $7 too many for this fat whore

>> No.27135557

>>27132668
Mori buys condoms so Connor can dick Mousey?

>> No.27135562

>>27132570
BOO FUCKING HOO.

>> No.27135596

>>27135018
Japan doesn't really have a lot of accountants or financial managers. It's why their economy is in the shitter atm.

>> No.27135670

>>27132570
>Never gonna be rich because she works for a corp and is bad with money.

>> No.27135893

>>27135670
>already has more money than you or I ever will

>> No.27137450

>>27135670
I don't think someone who can organize a drug party like fucking Jesse can be classified as "can never be rich".

>> No.27138316

>>27132570
>$28 taxes
But she works for Cover so she's only taxed on what they pay her.
That would mean she's taxed 62%.

>> No.27138561

>>27138316
My math says 80. If Cover and youtube take their cuts the rest is hers, meaning she gets $35 and pays $28 in taxes. Assuming this isn't the complete bullshit it is.

>> No.27140718

>>27132570
I do think a lot is taken out, don't get me wrong, but I don't think this infographic was made by someone that understands how the splits work.
$100 superchat
-30% ($30) for YouTube's cut
=$70
YouTube takes their cut before giving it to Hololive (Company). After Hololive receives the funds from YouTube, Hololive takes their cut based on a contractually agreed-upon percentage, and then gives it to Mori. The portion remaining AFTER the hololive cut would be taxable for the individual, as that's all that was paid to Mori.
So YT takes 30% of $100
Then Hololive takes an unknown % of $70
The US Government will expect a certain % of the remainder of THAT amount
The JP Government will expect a certain % of that same amount
This graphic would suggest that the percentage Hololive cuts is 50%, which feels to me as most definitely incorrect, but just like the person that made the graphic would need evidence to suggest they take 50%, I would need evidence to suggest they don't.
It's incredibly improbable to me that Hololive would even think of offering a 50/50 split. Most companies do 90/10 in the talent's favor, 80 at the most feels like highway robbery, but I could imagine Hololive could get away with that based on the actual benefits they provide to their partners (as opposed to other MCNs which do fuckall for anybody, Hololive actually does a lot).
Certainly not 50/50. I won't buy that even for a second.
US Taxes are also not witheld from YouTube Revenue Sharing, not sure about JP but companies like this give out a 1099-MISC and you pay what you owe when it's time to file. Technically Mori should have access to the US portion because of that, and as long as she doesn't blow it all and keeps enough to pay taxes come tax time, she wouldn't be in a pinch.

>> No.27140785

>>27132570
Debooonked.
She's a moron for allowing herself to be double taxed as every American exapt avails themselves of the long standing treaty between the two nations.
Idiot. Or a liar.
Honestly either could work in this instance.

>> No.27140984
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27140984

>>27132570
>youtube
Yt takes your money? I've been earning money on youtube for two in a half years now and the only people who takes the cut in my ad revenues are the tax collectors

>> No.27141093

>>27132914
>>27132972
It's real, Holoshills. There's a whole ass Plebbit post about it on r/VirtualYoutubers

>> No.27141219

>>27140984
YT takes a cut of supahs
your thinking ad revenue and they already take their cut before you 'get' your money added

>> No.27141251

>>27135018
She could just email a US based CPA and 2 minutes of Google will give you info on foreign tax income exclusion AND foreign tax credit, which are two different things that she can utilize. She's just a lazy retard.

>> No.27141348

>>27141251
>She's just a retard
fixed

>> No.27141431
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27141431

>>27141219
Hmm. I didnt know that thanks for the info anon

>> No.27141477

>>27141431
also fuck you for success you bastard
i hope it keeps working out for you faggot

>> No.27141701

>>27141477
Kek. You can make it too, anon. What content do you do anyway?

>> No.27141880

>>27135018
Doesn't she have a house in America now? Could that be the reason why she pays both?

>> No.27141939

>>27141880
No, burgers get taxed on income based on citizenship, not where they live or where they have a house.

>> No.27142012

>>27132570
I forgot the exact name but US taxes are deductible if you live and work in a foreign country. Sounds like she needs a new accountant.

>> No.27142109

>>27135018
This. She's either lying or an absolute idiot.

>> No.27142174

>>27140718
I mean the Youtube cut is the most egregious thing but it's the part everyone accepts. There are alternatives and all streamers who care about money and individuals who have some shred of dignity use those to superchat.

As for the Cover split, whatever it is, it's already been pointed out part of what they take is then redistributed to those who don't make as much so that money isn't just going to Cover and for some girls they are receiving. So not only would it obviously be hypocritical for anyone in the vtubing community to be against this considering their political ideals, in the case of Hololive the whole myth is the fans and talents are family and want everyone supported. So this shouldn't bother anyone.

As for the taxes, that is specific to the lie Calli spread about how much she is taxed. Taxes don't work like that but either way that part of the image is unique to her. Nobody's going to stop you from paying more taxes than you owe.

>> No.27142248

>>27140785
If you're a citizen of two countries, then don't you have to pay taxes to both countries?

>> No.27142264

>>27141880
>>27140785
>This timeloop again
If you're a US citizen you pay US taxes no matter where the money was earned. Kson has also talked about this at length

>> No.27142352

>>27141880
Civilized countries tax residents, the US taxes citizens. They are the one place you have to file with no matter where you are but it takes an idiot to assume you necessarily have to pay anything while filing if you aren't a resident. I know people who have never lived in the US as an adult and yet decades after leaving they still receive tax money from the US government if they file (like during the trillions spent two years ago).

>> No.27142465

>>27142248
1) she's not a Japanese citizen
2) doesn't matter, jp government takes their cut of any money earned there
3) she's a US citizen so still has to file US taxes

>> No.27142541

>>27142264
Yes, you pay US taxes. You aren't double taxed.

>> No.27142638

>>27142264
Except if you are taxed by Japan, as a US citizen you can take a foreign tax credit, which has no ceiling. You still have to do the tax return, but you pay no taxes.

>> No.27142843

>>27142174
YouTube's cut (30%) is far more generous than Twitch (50%).

3rd party donation services may take a smaller cut in terms of percentage, but generates smaller overall revenue due to lower volume.

>> No.27143108

>>27142843
You're also exposed to chargebacks and other fraud fuckery with stuff like Streamlabs.

>> No.27143128

>>27132570
super fake no one knows what Cover actually takes.
>But coco and m-m-m-moona
Share cuts are always a part of a contract NDAand they would of been fired like Rushia.

>> No.27143152

>>27142843
If you see it as an acceptable trade, that's on you. The point is those people have no right to complain about a cut in the first place because they bought into the most extreme one right-off-the-bat for no justifiable reason. You can just do both options, like most streamers who need money do. There are many people who will only pay you through youtube because they don't value their money and just want convenience but there are also many people who will refuse to throw their money into the garbage pit that is youtube and thus can't donate to you if you don't give them an alternative. All of ID relies on an alternative, there's no reason EN and JP can't also use that alternative as a supplement, they just choose not to. Some 5$ superchat on youtube is irresponsible but very minor, but people dropping fucking thousands of dollars through youtube are just demeaning themselves.

>> No.27143314

>>27141219
They just take ad rev? I thought they took from everything, that's why I never did supas or memberships.

>> No.27143557

>>27132570
>US and JP taxes
>fucking (((Youtube)))
and people will only blame Cover

>> No.27143700

There's a limit of 100k income, if she makes more than that then she has to pay US taxes, this is a law that was introduced after a civil war to prevent Americans from leaving the country.

>> No.27143734

>>27143314
no they take from everything
its just the money you see from ad rev is \after\ YT takes their cut
but the money you see for supers and donos is \before\ YT takes its cut so it looks like you give the full amount to the strimmer

like how twitch subs are $5 , show up as $5 to everyone, but the streamer only gets $2.50
but people think they pay out the 'full' ad revenue because they dont 'see' the company taking its cut and paying the streamer the leftover $0.025 cents

>> No.27143983

Holy shit is she that retarded?

>> No.27144237

>>27143700
That's foreign income tax exclusion, and there's also foreign tax credit which has no limit which could completely avoid double taxing income taxes altogether.

>> No.27144477

>>27132570
no because it doesnt explain where her alcohol money comes from

>> No.27144576

>>27143983
she did critique of her fanbase getting NTR'd
yes

>> No.27144786

>>27132570
Can I believe that Mori is a liar and/or a dumb idiot?
Yes, yes I can

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27144907

>>27141093
Oh well shit, if some random troon on plebbit says so it must be true! Maybe you should spend more time there and less time here.

>> No.27145790

>>27143152
I agree with your sentiment that giving money to google is someone to be avoided by anyone with a brain, but I wonder whether or not there would be adverse consequences for hololive as a whole if the lot of them, not just the small subset of ID, encouraged tippers to use a non-youtube service. ID only gets away with it because the country they're streaming from doesn't yet have SC capability. I vaguely remember something along these lines that, if it's not explicitly in their ever devolving TOS, then perhaps it's some unspoken, bitchy yt sentiment where Cover wouldn't be able to say unlock as speedily, all things considered, a struck or banned channel as they currently are able to have done.
Or say with any other support issues they'd be flagged as lower priority than they currently are.

>> No.27148183

>>27132570
who the fuck made the graphics? its like those retard still on incels phase and dont have any job to understand how taxes works

>> No.27156538

>>27141093
link?

>> No.27156762
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27156762

>>27132570
>Retards don't know she's only taxed this much because she makes over 525K
>She revealed the minimum amount of money she made with her stupid rant
Oh no, I feel soooooooooooo bad for the millionaire. Her whiny rant about her taxes is SOOOOOOOOO justified.

>> No.27157181

>>27156762
literally anyone would be salty getting taxed over half their income

>> No.27157537

>>27157181
She can renounce her citizenship or vote Republican if she's that assblasted about it.
Spoiler: she won't

>> No.27157633

>>27157537
I mean she is moving back to America.

>> No.27158105

>>27135458
I'm convinced that most people don't understand how tax brackets or progressive taxes work. I've given up on trying to educate retards; they're the same ones that will pass on a raise to avoid a higher tax bracket.

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27158248

>>27132570
>once said that we were 5% of her life
>a year later, we're now 7%
We just keep on winning, deadbeats! Her love for us can only grow!

>> No.27158346

>>27158105
this is absolutely the case, at least in the US. I've met people who have fucking Master's degrees who claim they would make less money if their salary crept over a certain threshold

>> No.27159460

>>27135018
Watched that clip and she said there is no treaty so it sounds like she looked into it at least.

>> No.27159542

>>27132570
When Coco was active she actually pushed for Streamlabs as an alternative source of income. But Cover shoot her down

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