/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

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It is a well known and fully accepted truth that as long as a professional fully apologizes for a mistake, he or she is allowed to not suffer permanent consequences from it. This is how it works in every single workplace. It seems like a joke until you think back to all of your previous jobs, after I did I realized that this is unironically the truth. So why do vtubers work differently? Sexism?
And yes, I know you're thinking "bait", but I thought hard about this, I even called up my mates, and it turns out that my post holds up in each and every single career I or they ever had. So, basically, my point stands.

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>>27770455
Because vtubing is not a profession. Regular workplace logic doesn't apply in there.

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stealth zhang thread

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>>27770455
What does Finana's pussy smell like?

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>>27770620
That's retarded and unfair

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>>27770455

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>>27770737
what's unfair is thinking that vtubers should be allowed to rake in tens of thousands of dollars a month with zero risk or downside. you're so deep into the simp mentality that you see these streamers as gods to be worshipped. snap the fuck out of it.

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>>27770455
She's free to pander to those woke? people but the truth is it's a stupid move since they don't actually watch or care about her at all

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>>27770455
It's not just vtubers, it's a problem with everywhere these days. You can be the most professional person on the planet but do the wrong thing and your professional life can be over, regardless of how much you apologise. Some people literally have nothing better to do than make other people, especially those more successful than them, miserable to make them feel slightly better about their own sad excuse for an existence

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Post more fish ass retards

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>>27770455
kekson deflection thread

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>>27771187

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>>27770860
Okay and men get millions for doing nothing but being meat heads who devote their youth to retarded games. That's far more disgusting to me.

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>>27770675
It has an obscene aroma

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>>27770455
not suffer permanent consequences from it meaning consequences from the people she work for.
She doesn't work for me henceforth fuck her
nijitrannies

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>>27770455
>It is a well known and fully accepted truth that as long as a professional fully apologizes for a mistake, he or she is allowed to not suffer permanent consequences from it.
If only R. Kelly fully apologized he wouldn't be in prison for 30 years. Oh wait, no, that's retarded. People have to live with the consequences of their actions. An apology is simply ameliorating the negative feelings people have about it. It doesn't change what happened and people are entitled to still feel strongly about it. The world isn't a safe hugbox where you get to do whatever you want until it gets to be too much for you and you call a time out. Is cancel culture fucking stupid? Absolutely. But it isn't stupid for people to still not like the person who did something bad or retarded even if they apologized for it. Especially when that apology is "I didn't think it was a good idea in the first place but..." deflection-type shit.

She was actively marginalizing crossdressers when she decided to announce that "trap" was a slur. That's a hate crime whether anyone wants to admit it or not. In her retarded attempt to virtue signal she unwittingly became the thing she claims to fight against. A common story amongst the woke crowd.

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I need to analy correct her RM.

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>>27771369
That is as retarded as streaming, pro gaymers should neck themselves. What is your point anyway?

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>>27771591
But admitting guilt and apologizing often DOES reduce sentences. And 30 years is a long time, but it isn't permanent. This argument of yours was retarded from the start.

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I forgive her :)

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>>27770455
>It is a well known and fully accepted truth that as long as a professional fully apologizes for a mistake, he or she is allowed to not suffer permanent consequences from it.
Dogshit bait that tries way too hard in the first sentence. Have a free (((You))) because you got me to call you a faggot.

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>>27771725
It doesn't matter what is and isn't retarded, permanent consequences are wrong and unfair in any context.

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>>27770455
Entertainers live and die by their public image.

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Are people still mad at Finana?

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>>27771769
Educate yourself on what ameliorate means.

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you were asking for it, really

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>>27771369
you just sound like a lefty faggot, she was a dumb cunt and deserves the hate. No one wants politics when watching their Chubas. And her bitch ass and her posse is bring that crap in. Also a reason people hate vshitjo

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>>27771984
you said ameliorate negative feelings, not consequences

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>>27772187
Hitler did nothing wrong but I object to permanent consequences in principle
I'm not apineless, defeating the enemy is worthless if you don't defeat them honorably. May as well kill everybody at that point. Honor or death.

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>>27772165
I see you didn't learn your lesson. That's fine because I saved it for you.

I'm not sure if you are Chink, Nijinigger or a Vshojo cuck, and that's okay because you are still a hypocrite as I will plainly explain.

>Power to control the vtubers, power to veto their projects, power to silence them
Have you never worked a job where you weren't top of the food chain before? I ask that sincerely with zero malice. Because that is literally every job. Your boss tells you how to act while you are at work. It's a necessary evil because, quite frankly, many people are fucking retarded and need to be kept on leashes. The more competent you prove yourself the more freedom you are given. Case in point, Ame.

>Vtubers are at the mercy of insecure control freaks
You mean like when the chinks freaked out over Taiwan so Cover dropped an entire branch to get them the fuck out of the company? If you are a chink you were actually part of the problem that got dealt with. Good job. I can tell you what Cover doesn't deal with though. Woke twittards telling people what they can and can't believe in or that "trap" is a slur against trannies.

>Talents must maintain an image of purity (no relationships)
While I personally agree with them not being in current relationships (don't give a fuck about the past), Cover has actually gone on record in supporting Rushia when the yab first happened by saying her private life is her own business so... nope that's false. It's just considered good business sense so most talents do it. Vshojo fan? Your star whore Vei actually agrees with this one btw. Said she would lie if she was in a relationship because you would give her less money if she told you.

>Talents must obey strict rules to maintain the illusion of family between coworkers.
Okay first of all, Nijisanji likes to shill the family angle. They force everyone to say they love Nijisanji in their debut for fuck's sake. Second of all, pretending you like your coworkers in front of paying customers is basic professionalism in any public-facing job. Most would outright fire you if you started drama in front of them.

>Deterioration of the talents mental health in order to provide content
Cover's streaming requirements are actually EXTREMELY lax. Ask Ayame or Sana. The reality is a lot of girls get in over their heads with the stuff they want to do and put themselves under too much pressure. That combined with the natural stress of life PLUS that of performing in front of thousands of viewers for hours at a time takes its toll. When it does, they take breaks. You don't see this with lazy whores who spend their off hours high as a kite while getting railed in Canada. So you assume the problem is on Cover. Easy mistake to make.

Given that you surely aren't a hypocrite anon, I can only assume you are actually a Hololive fan false-flagging yourself because you are unironically mentally ill. Please get some help.

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>>27771988
You listened to my advice, wonderful

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>>27771820
you sound like a fucking girl in high school. people lose their jobs all the fucking time because of dumb shit they do. finana didn't even lose hers. so again, what are you going on about? how is she being unfairly treated when she gets to keep streaming and raking in big bux from her retarded simps like nothing happened? you're so stupid dude.

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>>27770455
Because first and foremost they answer to fans not bosses. Fans are connected to celebrities through their feeling and their personal connections to them.

They have their professional and personal reputations out in the public. They cannot hide it no matter where they go. They have much more scrutiny than an private citizen.

>>27770860
Not sure why you think earning tens of thousands a dollars a month is not fair. Plenty of people like business owners, doctors, lawyers, and professional sports players earn that much with a lot less public scrutiny.

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>>27772698
>people lose their jobs all the fucking time because of dumb shit they do
Not if they fully apologize and accept responsibility

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>>27773267
Fans should accept full and genuine apologies like bosses do

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>>27770455
no one seeks a genuine apology on the internet. doing so only creates a new vector of vulnerability. if you are a public internet figure, NEVER apologize. NEVER admit fault. NEVER signal boost your detractors. treat social media as a one way street and a marketing platform for yourself only.

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>>27773267
you're seriously comparing vtubers to doctors? LMAO. and yes, i think athletes are earning way too much too. makes no sense that messi earns $50m a year or whatever. no person needs that much money while children are starving to death and people can't afford basic healthcare.

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>>27773507
Let's do an experiment. The next day you go to work, walk into your boss's office, whip out your dick and piss on your boss's shoes. Then immediately apologize to him in the most sincere manner possible. See what happens. Let us know how it goes.

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>>27773466
>tell me you've never had a job without telling me you've never had a job

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>>27773673
read thebOP, I thought long and hard aboutball of my previous jobs and even called up my mates to confirm that this has been how its worked for everywhere they've worked and everywhere I've worked

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>>27773507
No, vtubers ain't our employees. They're a product we consume. If the product gets spoiled to the garbage it goes.

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>>27773615
Okay but now you learned I did that because I had a mental breakdown over my wife murdering my kids. Therapist comes in to testify that. I promise that it'll never happen again.
Do I still get fired?
Don't think so, I can't see a good boss doing that.

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Mistakes are accidentally stepping on someone's foot. You don't ban "trap", call it problematic, ask people to educate themselves, and call all this a mistake. This is a formed opinion, any apology will seem false and just trying to make it will make the situation worse.

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>>27773767
People can't get permanently spoiled like products can though

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>>27773794
An opinion can also be a mistake...

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>>27773792
Yes you still get fired because they don't want an unpredictable employee with mental problems around when there is no telling when they will have another episode.

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>>27773868
There is not a MISS in her TAKE, it's INTENTIONAL.

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>>27773889
Bullshit, a single mental breakdown over a traumatic life event is not a pattern or trend, everybody behaves irrationally after that kind of thing, literally everybody.

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>>27770455
In your workplace you rely on the opinion/forgiveness of hundreds to thousands of individuals that will never see you face to face?

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>>27773999
Okay, and intentions can ALSO be mistakes. Do you think every mistake is the equivalent of slipping on a banana peel?

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>>27774847
In a big enough workplace? Possibly

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>>27774113
You don't seem to understand that businesses don't give a fuck about your life. They have a bottom line. Make money and please shareholders. Your boss answers to someone higher and he answers to someone even higher. They all have their own jobs and lives to think about. You? You come a distant... fiftieth to that. Your boss gives your traumatized ass a second chance? Maybe you start flinging shit at the customers. Now that's his responsibility and he has to explain to his kids why they can't go to college. Because he's lost his job thanks to you. Nobody is rationally taking that chance. Anyone who does is letting emotion cloud their judgment because they are a childhood friend or a friend of the family and you got the job through nepotism... Or they want to sleep with you. Feel free to post tits. In reality it's simple risk management, and you aren't worth the risk when there are other people with less issues that can replace you. The world isn't all flowers and sunshine.

>>27773717
On the off chance you aren't just lying out your ass for the sake of it: Do you mind me asking what country you are in? It sounds like some sort of communist utopia where the pursuit of profit is unheard of.

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>>27774113
And how about the boss's and the rest of the whole office's irrationality? You can't come up with a bigger symbol of dominance if you tried. That's going to interfere with the boss's interactions with you every time, it's not like your memories get wiped. And word will get around. No one will bother to know the whole story, only 'X pissed in his boss's shoes and got away with it.' And of course even among people who know, there will always be many who believe the therapist was bribed or that they're all useless anyway. At that point your presence alone outright interferes with the running of the company, which jeopardizes far more people than you. And hiring a replacement is far, far easier than convincing everyone else that you'll never do it again just to get back to baseline.

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>>27775010
Your life sounds like a nightmare anon

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>>27775023
>You can't come up with a bigger symbol of dominance if you tried.
Rape.

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>>27774879
I asked about your
in a "big enough workplace" you would get fired, since when a company is too big, normal employees are just numbers to the "hundreds" that call the shots.

Any mistake in life have PERMANENT consequences, minor or major and people live with the aftermath of it(physical, social, mental etc), the consequences Finana is facing is pretty minor considering how "loud" it screamed over social media, the same level of PR disaster for a common employee would easily result in a lost job

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>>27775120
That's what life is like in a profit-driven world anon. Once you step away from the mom and pop stores, and get employed at a business with executives, things stop being fun and start being work. I'm most certainly not defending it. It just is what it is.

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>>27775394
I've worked at plenty of businesses here in Sweden and what you're describing still sounds revoltingly cruel beyond measure for any reasonable business decision

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>>27775512
Yeah I won't deny things could be better, but that's reality for most of the world. Or at least the parts that aren't constantly war-torn and having much more serious shit to deal with. Aren't you and your surrounding social democratic countries considered to have "the happiest people in the world" by a good margin? There's a reason for that. You aren't the norm. Anyways let's just leave it at that because this is getting too political for a vtuber board. Finana is a stinky fish and now we know her opinions are as stinky as her unwashed clam.

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Depends. In a privatized positiom where not many eyes are on you, yes. In a public figure position, like a streamer, star, or polatician, no. It's better for you to just clam up and disappear for a little bit while the retards who are trying to shit up all areas of your life tire themselves out and move on. The minute you say you were in the wrong, they want more appologies for things in the past suddenly and it becomes a never ending game of appeasment.
Rushia should have shut her mouth and weathered the storm.
Kson should have shut her mouth abd weathered the storm.

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>>27770455
Except it doesn't work like this at all for public figures, especially in current culture. Hell, even if you're not a public figure, all someone has to do is make your mistake public and then no apology will matter.

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>>27770455
Imagine if somebody took a shit on your desk, apologized, and then proceeded to shit on your desk again the next day.
Would you just continue to forgive them each time and work on a shit-covered desk?

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>>27770455
Because vtubers are part of entertainment once you fuck up your character people won't like you again, in a normal job you don't need to like your co workers just do what you have to do and go home

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>>27770455
This ^ plus these:
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>>27770840
Submit it to vt_kek. I know there's an anon here who already did it with the thread about touching cursors.

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>>27772456
Too long didn't read

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>>27778386
Educate yourself.

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>>27770860
This
>>27771369
When pro players join a team or have partners they also have to keep their image clean, plus being good at a game takes effort
>>27773767
Based

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>>27772456
>Deterioration of the talents mental health in order to provide content
Remember when Cali was streaming at the beginning but she also had a bunch of side projects so she would literally do 3 jobs and ended up falling asleep on stream 2 or 3 times. That was literally her choice because she is a workaholic. But apes like that guy that you responded will take that and frame it as "COVER FORCES THEIR TALENT TO OVERWORK THEMSELVES!"

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>>27778854
Yes 100% agree with you. There are unfortunately some genuine corporate Vshojo shills on the board right now shitting up every thread they can while trying to make it look like its niji vs hololive. They hope to undermine the reputations of the other companies in order to secure a foothold for their new JP branch. Same reason they hired two ex-cover talents including a massive security risk of a menhera. It's not actually going to work because most people here can't even speak japanese, but neither can most people working at Vshojo. So they do the best they can. Hopefully they get bored eventually or someone decides to do something about it.

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>>27773466
I dont know what world (you)'re living in but it ain't the real one

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>>27770860
you can only see all the vtubers that have made it

It is inherently a high risk profession because 99.9% of them are doomed to waste their youth on this shit.
There's also the risk inherent in being a public figure when they've made it (we've seen how easy it is to pierce through the veil of an avatar).

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>>27780798
NTA. Completely agree with you. People don't realize that Vtubers aren't much different than other celebrities when it comes to the career prospects. Sure the ones at the top make a ton of money but you never see the ones that never make it big in Hollywood and stay waitresses. The real 2view indies are the same. They keep struggling and most of them will sadly never make it big. If people want to complain about the top 0.01% of Vtubers making a lot of money they should be doing the same for actors, singers and anyone else in the top class of the entertainment industry.

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>>27770455
This doesn't apply to entertainment.

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>>27770455
Women get away with doing or saying dumb shit, more shocking news at 11.

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>>27770455
Except if she said "men can never become women", she would've been fired even after apologizing and you would've had no problems with it.
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>>27770455
Explain any time someone famous to any degree has recently been fired for defending trannies. Please do anon, please tell us how this would happen.

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>>27783561
I'm not even sure OP even meant it that way, but you are correct here. If anyone went against trans ideology to even a small degree they would be condemned by their coworkers and fired for sure.
Everyone knows Finana was pro-tranny the entire time which is the real reason it wasn't an issue.

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>>27780798
we're not talking about 0views. we're talking about vtubers that made it already. not to mention things aren't unfair for 0views either. unless they're severely mentally ill, it's just a hobby for them. anyone trying to "make it" with 20 viewers or something only has themselves to blame if they're suffering.
https://twitter.com/chibidokii/status/1545109576470642688
look at this shit for example. she's raking in the big bux and she's still complaining because her tiktok, a fraction of her income, got shut down for a day. these people are just completely disconnected from reality. don't defend them.

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>>27770455
What permanent consequences Finana suffers? Being made fun off?

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>>27771591
Finana saying stupid shit on twitter is a little different than R.Kelly being a raping, trafficking molester with his own cult for over a decade.
That's not even a comparison.
Are we going to compare Veibae to Chris Benoit next?

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>>27770455
>im sorry i commited tax fraud, please dont arrest me uwu
imma do it bros

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>>27786586
>That's not even a comparison.
It was intended to be an extreme example to prove OP's point is faulty at its core. A bit dishonest I'll admit but it got the ball rolling.
>Are we going to compare Veibae to Chris Benoit next?
Can we not? It's an insult to his memory. At least he achieved something before going off the deep end.

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>>27771369
The last of those men i watched, he got stabbed for leaving the scene.
Can't call this riskless.

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What are you faggots even angry about here? Serious question. That she pissed off the tranny crowd by not understanding all of their terminology perfectly or by being too pro-tranny in general? Which is it?

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>>27775512
>swede
Of fucking course.

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>>27771913
Yup, bitching is the norm here anyway.

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The biggest issue which people are missing is that she doubled down on her stupidity in her apology video.
She apologized to tranny lovers for not bowing enough to them and called anyone who uses trap as a joke a person with evil intent.
So she thinks most people are evil for using harmless language and will never take that back, so why should anyone ever give her a pass now? She hates you quite openly.

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>>27773466
How retarded are you?

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>>27770455
>as long as a professional fully apologizes for a mistake, he or she is allowed to not suffer permanent consequences from it. This is how it works in every single workplace
No it doesn't.

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>>27770455
She still supports mentally ill people mutilating their bodies and pretending to be the opposite gender.
She still supports deranged men putting their penis inside the rectum of other men and spreading diseases.
She still supports all of the above being taught and encouraged to children.
She is a sick, twisted woman who should not be given a platform to spread her disgusting beliefs.

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>>27791746
Also doubled down on the notion that language is itself violence even if no calls for violence are uttered.

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>>27792088
Based
NijiEN was a mistake. They didnt screen their talents properly and ended up mostly with a bunch of smoothbrain, unprofessional, politically charged, emotionally unstable zoomerspeakers.
They deserve every single scandal they get for nurturing that fanbase

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>>27770455
>I fully apologize for getting drunk and slicing my patients artery, killing him. I'm glad we can move past this and I can be allowed to continue practicing medicine lol

Doesn't work with any "career" that doesn't require you to ask if they want fries with that.

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>>27792282
If the social media people get involved you won't keep that minimum wage job either.

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>>27792282
>what is malpractice insurance

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>>27789290
>Serious question
I'll take you at your word, but first some background information so we are all on the same page.

Trap isn't a tranny term. It's a crossdressing term originating from weeb culture. It might seem like there is significant overlap there but they are distinct groups:

One group tricks themselves into believing they are women because feminism is trying to make being a man a crime. They take drugs and eventually get mutilated in a misguided attempt to be closer to their "ideal" form. Many are closeted homosexuals and pretend to be real women to pick up men. This is a powerplay fetish because they think it legitimizes themselves as women. The men then get horrified when they realize they almost, or worse did, sleep with a man when they themselves are straight. This often leads to them getting their ass beat. Which is somehow considered a hate crime despite the tranny's actions being a form of attempted rape due to lack of informed consent. This is where they believe they have a legitimate claim over the term trap as a slur. Because men in that situation are supposedly going to call them traps. Instead of any number of other words that are far more crude and hurtful like fag or tranny etc.

The other group is men (and women for reverse traps) that enjoy dressing as the opposite sex. They may be straight or gay but they don't believe they ARE the opposite sex. They simply enjoy the feeling of wearing cute (or manly) clothes and "passing" if possible. They aren't going to actually trick people into fucking them because they aren't mentally ill rapists. That shit only occurs in doujins. As a bonus history lesson: Linetrap was simply crossdresser at the time they took on the name. They became a tranny later and kept it.

>What are you faggots even angry about here?
The hate on fish is due to her claiming trap is a slur against trannies. This is upsetting for a few reasons. One, trap is a common weeb term that has been around for probably longer than she's been alive. Telling weebs that they don't know what the word means is incredibly insulting when her entire fucking job is pandering to them. Two, it is read as an attempt to legitimize trannies "stealing" the term for themselves just so they have one more thing to be outraged over. This means she is actually marginalizing one group in order to "protect" (read: pander to) another group that is fully comprised of the severely mentally ill. Which makes her a giant hypocrite. Three, people don't watch entertainment to be fed woke propaganda. Or any type of politics for that matter. Speaking for myself, I don't want to be reminded of real world issues at all while I'm trying to watch cute anime girls do cute things.

TL;DR She's wrong and she doubled down on being wrong because she's a goddamn retard.

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>>27792392
So this is simply degenerate faggots angry at another degenerate faggot for nitpicky gender identity bullshit (that trannies actually would be upset about if it applied to them) when both trannies and crossdressers are disgusting creatures. Got it freak.

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>>27772165
The first rule on the bottom isn't accurate, they just hide them to varying degrees of success.

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>>27792491
I'm neither of those groups, just an old weeb who has been on 4chan since the start. But you got one out of three of the reasons people are upset sure.

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>>27772456
anon you are responding to a propaganda poster.

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>>27792491
Look anon im not a fan crossdressers too but at least they keep to their hobby, they dont force their hobby into the political sphere or every media piece and they dont demand anything from me or the government. Never seen a crossdresser activist either.
Troons on the other hand...

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>>27770455
>professional
lol
lmao even

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>>27792383
Speaking of jobs, I am a licensed claims adjuster (Workers comp). Insurance is not an "apology." Its to prevent the legal system from completely drowning from lawsuits. Like, if somebody hits your parked car and can't afford to pay to fix it, their insurance covers your damage. Otherwise your options are to sue, or to suck it up.

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>>27770455
Yes there is no profession where you lose you licence for error, no, not at all.

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>>27771369
Sent from inside a locker

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>>27770455
All that matters is what her fans think of it.
And she doesn't really have many in the first place so I don't think anything is going to change.
Her PUBLIC impression is fucked though, so she will have a lot of trouble GAINING fans, since the public has already labeled her as "that one vtuber who tried to ban the word 'trap'".

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>>27771820
>permanent consequences are wrong and unfair in any context
Even rape and murder?

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because most of /vt/ are r*dditers and twitterfags who have cancel culture ingrained into them

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>>27773792
As you imply, the context matters.
For a streamer, and especially a VTuber, the fans are their lifeblood. The fans are what allow them to play video games and make a living.
For stuff like the banning of words (unless it's some zoomer joke that gets spammed too often) you typically want to consult with your chat before making a decision.

If you don't want to put it out there publicly where people who aren't your fans can see, then hold a member stream with the people who financially support you, and have a discussion with them on whether banning a certain word would be good or not.

Finana committed two cardinal sins that a streamer must never EVER do.
1. Did something that affects the stream unilaterally, without ever consulting her fans - the people who allow her to work.
2. Shat on her fans directly, with the 'Educate yourself' tweet.
Both combined are what caused the outrage against her. And this will obviously filter some part of her audience - since no one likes getting contemptuously shit on by some retard thinking they're on some high horse, for something they absolutely have ZERO knowledge about.

The consequences will be permanent because this type of behavior is what is called 'honne', the inner feelings of a VTuber coming out.
It'd be like some VTuber forgetting to mute while she shat on her fans unironically after the stream. It reveals some of what you actually are, behind the mask of 'cute anime girl'.

The immersion is part of the fun of VTubing, and breaking that immersion for your audience is a permanent thing. You can't put a shot bullet back into the gun. It's a permanent action.
And as such, the consequences too, will be permanent.
She know it too, she addressed that some folks might not forgive her for this in her apology stream

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A vtuber doesn't need to apologize about anything, mostly because the drama centered around vtubers is irrelevant, only entertaiment for retards, just like this board. I can name you a few examples and you can see that normal people wouldn't give a shit about these problems.
A vtuber and Twitter drama, only retards care and use Twitter, so it doesn't matter.
A vtuber and irl drama, only delusional parasocial fucks care about this one, so it doesn't matter in the end.
Coco and the Taiwan yab, only butthurt chinks care about that, so it doesn't matter.
See? in the end it just people overreacting to drama or maybe trolling but in the end it's irrelevant..

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>>27770455
What the fuck are you smoking, ppl get fired and have their careers ruined by things they said 15 years ago, unsubstantiated sexual assault claims, Supposed racism. And basically anything considered not towing the line, vtubers are celebrities in a sense so ppl treat them as such, no one cares about your workplace bs because like you, were all just regular fags

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>>27804389
Stay in pol

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why the fuck are you not posting fish ass

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>>27775512
Your country was taken over by hajis and has a huge rape problem. Your opinion on anything is invalid cuck

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>>27804458
Nice counter argument, good to know im correct

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>>27804566
We're not having an argument, why are you niggers so easy to find out, you all talk exactly the same.

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>>27804667
Its unfortunate your wrong tho, im here or on g. You enjoy feeling smart dont you?

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>>27770455
Neck yourself fishfag

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>>27770860
That’s Finana’s entire fanbase in a nutshell, they are retard simps that worship her

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>>27801983
Her fans won’t care even if she got fucked on stream. They are so deep in simping for her, they don’t even care what she streams.

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>>27771187
>>27771335
>>27771812
>>27804508
Go back to your discord and post it there underage faggot

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>>27787182
>It was intended to be an extreme example to prove OP's point is faulty at its core
Well not really because you're only applying "apology for a mistake" literally when obviously OP's point is more nuanced than simply that.
You're too focused on the denotative semantics for what's actually being said to be considered good faith even if you were correct.

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>>27770455
Gonna be honest, my opinion on Banana has evolved partially because of reasons I'd get banned for mentioning. Now I think she's adorable, not very bright, has incestuous feelings towards her sister (which I completely approve of), and is the cute clumsy fuckup type you just wanna hold and protect from herself.

tldr I get "tragic character trying her best" vibes from this one.

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>>27770455
Nice copypaste you found there Finana

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>>27770455
because she didnt do anything wrong

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>>27775512
Du är en idiot, ett förlåt skulle inte ens duga på Mc Donalds om du snackade skit om en kund precis framför dem så varför skulle en eceleb få komma undan med det?

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>>27809947
Like what? There is nothing schizo

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>>27771591
It takes one post, just one post from a person who goes outside. Thank you for putting sense into words anon.

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>>27772456
Holy based anon

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>>27809947
>Because of reasons I’d get banned for mentioning
t. shitposter

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>>27770455
>It is a well known and fully accepted truth that as long as a professional fully apologizes for a mistake, he or she is allowed to not suffer permanent consequences from it. This is how it works in every single workplace.
Only in some western countries, majority of world has a different culture around apologies, one based on shaming the person apologizing instead of seeing it as learning opportunity for the person apologizing.

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>Too much texto the thread

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Okay, can someone please fill me in on the scoop here? I know Finana had banned the word trap and tried to defend the decision on Twitter. I don't know what happened after that or if she even admitted she was wrong.
Have a Pomu pic since I don't have any of Finana.

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>>27819435
Pretty much walked the whole thing back a couple days after with her 'apology' video. (The Serious Feesh Talk one)
People will continuously debate whether or not she was genuine in that video, but in short she admitted to fucking up.

Said she didn't want to Ban it at first (so I'm wondering whose idea it even was to begin with), even addressed the infamous 'educate yourself' tweet that's ofc been mocked/memed on by almost everyone else admitting that she was pretty much way out of line in making that statement.

Tl;dr - She unbanned the word, and largely apologised for it and her behaviour. Time will truly tell though if she's been truly humbled by the whole thing and has truly learned from it.

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>>27820770
Well, she admitted she was wrong and went back on the decision. That's hard for someone to do and I appreciate it. Although I never watch her to begin with, so my opinion is worth less than nothing.

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finana hates the word trap but thinks vox grooming minors is hilarious

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>>27821482
Based.

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>>27770455
Do you think for a second that she'd extend that same courtesy to those she was chastising? Obviously not, the crowd she was pandering to is well known for never accepting any form of apology, sincere or otherwise. Speaking against their ideas is grounds for excommunication from public life in their eyes. Your options are to be a complete pariah, or to grovel for the opportunity to grovel more whilst forever wearing your scarlet letter.

Let her rot.

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>>27820932
Well as someone who does at least watch her a bit (not as often as before I'll admit, but only because there's other Chuubas I really enjoy also) I have to agree.
Plus it seems like she just really wants to move on from it entirely which is good as well.

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>>27821643
It's not about whether the side would extend forgiveness to you, Anon. It's whether or not you believe anyone who fucks up but apologizes and tries to make things right in should be forgiven. She would never accept an apology for me shitting on trannies, but her walking this back and understanding how she messed up is a good thing. I will happily forgive her for it.

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>>27772456
>reddit spacing
also not reading your fucking blog

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>>27821813
People who bitch about reddit spacing are autistic as fuck.

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>>27771369
Assuming you're not baiting, which I doubt, they earn millions because they have extremely rare skills in an industry that earns billions.

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>>27821747
Why on earth would you forgive someone you know would never forgive you? If you knew the first thing about the ideas that underpin what she said, you'd know that she isn't genuine in her walking-back of this.

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>>27821897
Because I believe forgiving someone who apologizes and tries to make things right is the right thing to do. I can't say whether or not she's genuine in her apology, but the effect is the same regardless. She took blame.

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>>27821979
No kidding you think its the right thing to do, you wouldn't be advocating for it otherwise. What you've failed to do is justify it. You only have so much kindness, and you waste in on those who despise you. Also, retracting an unpopular statement is not "taking blame".

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>>27822177
I have as much kindness as I want to have, Anon. I don't need to justify it because morals are subject as hell and operate on emotion, which you quickly find out you have limited control over. I want to live in a world where we forgive each other if someone does the right thing. Thus that's what I do. If everyone insisted on the eye-for-an-eye approach to things, nothing would ever change. "An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind."
Of course, I'm on a website largely composed of jaded, pessimistic outcasts, so I know a lot of people will oppose that.

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>>27821897
Because it turns into an arms race and makes it 100% us vs them mentality and that's shit and a bad way to actually convince people you aren't a shit person.

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>>27822338
Its amusing that you, in the same sentence, no less, claim to have unbounded kindness and yet no control over your emotions, but I digress. I too wish to live in a world where we forgive those who genuinely reflect on their actions and attempt to right their wrongs, which is why I have no room for forgiving those who reject such ideas. Since you like parroting maxims, here's mind: Pacifism inescapably means supporting whoever the winner is. If you have two groups, one which forgives both, and one which forgives only their own, you will necessarily end up with a society that only forgives a privileged class, not one which forgives everyone. While not intuitive, your ideas necessarily lead to a world in which there is no-one left to exercise them.

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>>27771187
>>27804508
Dumb hmongus feesh needs rape correction. That should teach her not to be a retard online.

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>>27822657
Emotions are internal. Kindness is action. I could have seething hatred for someone and still give them money when they're completely broke so they can get lunch. If you choose to not forgive anyone who doesn't forgive you, you're going to make the problem worse. Set an example.
I'm not pacifistic. If someone fucks up and refuses to acknowledge it or doubles down, I don't bother with them. They can go fuck themselves. The thing you're referring to is called the Paradox of Tolerance, by the way, albeit a slightly different version.

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>>27822933
You cannot separate an action from the emotion that drove it. You clearly don't hate someone if you willingly give them charity. I'm aware of the paradox, and it is related, but distinct to this idea. The paradox fails because tolerance is subjective, being intolerant of what you perceive is intolerant creates the us-vs-them you describe, because no-one views their own intolerance as such. You have to tolerate intolerance as no one person can be the arbiter of what tolerance looks like, as someone could view a lack of deference to, and primacy of, their ideas as being "intolerant" of them. My suggestion, on the other hand, is strictly about actions. As (I'm assuming) you mentioned in the OP, forgiveness is about not letting someone suffer permanent consequences. Withholding forgiveness to those who persist in hounding those they feel have wronged them after they have attempted to right those wrongs is not "intolerance of intolerance", it is excluding those who defy social norms from the benefits of those norms until such time that they adhere to them again.

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On this board, this is by far the most out of touch with reality thread and topic. Get a job OP, a real job.

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I dropped my membership and laugh about her low CCV.

Cry about it.

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>>27830026
Okay.

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>>27803652
>2. Shat on her fans directly, with the 'Educate yourself' tweet

This was the main reason people got mad

Of course there are different camps when it comes to using "trap" and how justifiable it is, but when you make yourself superior by implying the viewers are too stupid to have an arguement with your decision, which is now infallible because you present yourself as smarter, it becomes fucking annoying