/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Is creative freedom really that important?

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>>27834955
now they can show their ass on stream together

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>>27834955
I bet rushia wishes her only problem with cover was creative differences

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>>27834955

Miguel will not show her face w/o filter anon.
I've seen her horrifying face and it freaks me out, I almost punch my monitor.

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>>27834955
Chasing alien dick 2.0 (now with pure cringe)

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>>27836027
I'm really happy for you and gonna let you finish, but her insecurity just makes her more human. And if there's one thing that's always been true, it's that girls are cuter when they're a bit sad.

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>>27836849

I do like her voice and yandere personality FYI

[Anonymous No.]

Kanatabros..

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>>27834955
no

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>>27834955
no, it's only the perfect excuse to graduate so the fans don't get angry

[Anonymous No.]

>do what you want and don't do what you don't wanna
Seems pretty based to me

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>>27834955
As an oldfag, not really. The reason Kizuna blew up like she did because outside of being used as a sponsorship tool and the company that funded her technology was incompetent, the character herself was very fun to watch especially in her gaming streams.
I'm all for muh worker's rights, but at the end of the day I only care about if the vtuber is fun to watch or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>reincarnates as an angel
>kanata moves out
Give it to me straight doc, did katanaso get cucked?

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>>27841460
>Get a comfy job making hundreds a day by playing video games in the most respected position of people within your job title
>Loudmouth """"introvert"""" roommate tries to convince you what you're doing is wrong and 100% freedom is more desirable than a stable above average income and being loved worldwide
>Tries to spite you by making her new partner the person that tried to dox you and have her look like your stage persona
I genuinely can't blame Kanata.

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>>27842293
Cockbros...

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What creative freedom do they not have in hololive? The only real limitation is game permissions which is legal shit that's going to apply no matter what company you're part of.

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>>27842642
>The only real limitation is game permissions which is legal shit that's going to apply no matter what company you're part of.
And even this isn't such a big fucking deal. They're the only company smart enough to know youtube isn't a platform to play around with and companies love abusing the DMCA function. Hololive hasn't really did anything wrong.

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>Suisei gets cucked by Coco
>Coco just leaves

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>>27843224
Pretty sure she has autism

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"creative freedom"
why are these two words so powerful here?

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>>27843348

Its a corporate word which the meaning is vague.
>Oh wait Vshojo is not a company

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>>27836849
Insecure misoji.

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>>27843348
It's literally the thing Kson is trying to prove by joining VShojo, as if Vtuber fans outside of the loud minority give a shit about that.

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>>27842293
>have her look like your stage persona

still, people believe that Nazu being an Angel/Pettan/Loli has nothing to do with kanata

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>>27836027
>miguel's face with no filter
THAT'S THE WALL, BROTHER! HEY WALL!

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>>27843348
I don't know. It is the ultimate made-up /vt/ meme. The only time Coco ever discussed it in her streams, she never said "creative freedom", she said that she had "creative differences" with the Cover management that kept rejecting her projects.
Almost all of the "creative freedom" meme is just a /vt/sister invention.

[Anonymous No.]

Can anyone give me an honest answer as to what "talent freedom" is supposed to mean? The only freedoms I've seen vshojo talents afforded that don't fly in holo/niji is political hot takes and bf collabs. And I guess there's facecams and openly shitting on other chubas and masturbation streams.

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>>27844914
Are you literally retarded?

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>>27844945
>honest answer
here's your (You) that you crave so much

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>>27845008
Yes! But that is besides the point.
Coco only said "creative differences", and the "creative freedom" shit is just memers meme-ing a meme into memedom.

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I wonder what kson version of creative freedom is, when in hololive she was free enough to do stuff to her vag like shaving and even burning her pussy on stream. What creative freedom is this dumb bitch talking about can someone who isn't a complete retard care to explain for me?

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>>27845027
Yes I was expecting your embarrassed dismissal, does anyone have an actual answer?

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>>27844945

Collab freedom, probably.

Recall that HoloEN was prevented from collabing with Coco until after Coco announced that she'd graduate. Not to mention the threads around here about how HoloEN and NijiEN have never collabed.

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>>27845242
Ok I genuinely thank you for giving me an answer that wasn't "sh-shut up!"

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>>27845242
>Recall that HoloEN was prevented from collabing with Coco until after Coco announced that she'd graduate.
It still makes me angry to this day. Everything else aside, I cannot forgive Cover for denying us the glorious magic of AmeCoco. I still watch a few Holomem, but I will always detest Cover management for keeping that link severed when it had so much potential.

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>>27845427

No problem.

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>>27845094
The more time passes and the more we see and hear from her, it really seems like she just had an axe to grind

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>>27844945
having things approved. All the memes she used on meme review had to be approved in case they broke copyright meaning she codnt use shitty spongebob memes etc. HAving fucked themselves by fucking up game permissions Cover were maybe being a bit too autistic about it but given the damage from that I can understand why.

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>>27845452
I'm a paid cover shill I literally dance for nickels on yagoo's front porch
Anyway it made sense at the time to keep them sheltered; myth was still new and chink antis were at their most fervent, I can understand not wanting your new members to get caught up in that shit. I think the collab restrictions would have eased up in time

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>>27845667
Im just going to go and say she was planning on graduating before the Taiwan drop happened. This was her perfect way out she made her money in hololive so she saw no reason to be there after all. The fact she approved mikeneko using a bootleg version of kanata model for her eventual vshojo debut tells you how much she wanted to leave and how little kanata means to her. Especially when rushia tried to dox her before. Fuck kikeson.

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I got a rrat to spin. I think this whole thing is happening because Kson is mad she couldn't keep the coco model. While new one is technically higher quality the Coco one had better designs and reactions for her personality.
She most likely saw that one vtuber corpo whose vtubers took their models and jumped ship and decided to use vshojo and mike to try and pressure hololive into giving her the model.

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>>27846050
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the real rrat is she wanted creative freedom to do gunpla streams but cover couldnt get the permission from bandai so she had to graduate and become an indie so it wouldn't be a problem. Crazy bitch loves her Gunpla

[Anonymous No.]

Scale of 1 to malding, how pissed is mori that she can't jump ship now?

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>>27846341
What she expects is bandai lol. They're as serious when it comes about their games as Nintendo is.

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>>27846440
I think she's having the time of her life now that she can leave Japan

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>>27844914
>>27845008
Imagine smugly typing that out only to get immediately choke slammed

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>>27846440
2. Outside of mouse and the non vshojo people somewhat affliated to mouse she has no connections to vshojo.
Plus from how defensive and stressed she gets she would get bullied by veibae and nyanners then go indie. Her collabs will be zero too since vshojo in general don't care about music like her.

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>>27834955
I guess it really depends on how creative you are. If most of your content ideas are outside the box then yeah sure; but if you can carry the standard chat/game/sing content with your sheer personality alone then probably not.

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>>27846696
Im sure there were plenty of people at AX kissing her ass and getting the validation she didn't get as a teenager is all she cares about. She will jump its just a question of figuring out how to do it without losing her music ties

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>>27844945
It means they're allowed to watch videos made by other creators for the entire time they stream and label that time spent as "content".

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>>27834955
no its just a buzz word. hell her content had more verity then when she became kson

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>>27846440
why mald when some lean will put the hair right back on your chest

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>>27846696
>and the non vshojo people somewhat affliated to mouse
You mean the TT guys? Who she's close friends with, who one of them is literally married to a VS member (that she flew to england to attend the ceremony) and another is basically in an LDR with mouse? Yea bro they're just casual acquaintances

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>>27847004
>Im sure there were plenty of people at AX kissing her ass and getting the validation she didn't get as a teenager is all she cares abou
anon she tops charts, she gets enough ass kissing and validation from over a million people regardless

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>>27845094
>free enough to do stuff to her vag like shaving and even burning her pussy on stream.
Cover changed with time, the Cover that allowed that back then wouldn't allow it now. A lot of members complain about needing authorization to do every single thing now, or be plainly denied.

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>>27844945
Its basically "asbestos-free cereal". It doesn't say anything about your product it's meant to be an attack on your competition. VS's strategy to break into the jp market is CLEARLY to come out swinging specifically against hololive.
>coco left because of stifling management
>we snagged her AND rushia!
>we have talent freedom!
freedom to do what?
>shut up incel!

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>>27842642
>What creative freedom do they not have in hololive?
>Can't talk about anything overly sexual publicly (i.e: no dick, no cum, likely no sexual intercourse or similar topic). The furthest I've seen Holo went were just boobs / ass / light innuendo jokes, so basically kiddie level
>Can't talk about controversial topics (i.e: politics)
>Can't show their faces on stream or body (beyond just fully covered hands).
>Almost all uncommon (non gaming / zatsu) projects have to go through management's checks first, and might get rejected
Depends on who you ask, some people might be fine with this, and some others might not. This applies to both streamers and audiences. For example, like Coco said before she graduated, her jokes tended to be on the edgier side, so with how the world had become more sensitive, she felt difficult to stream and entertain her audience. That showed that those restrictions clearly mattered to Coco and her fans. I'm pretty sure a lot VShojo fans will say the same thing as well

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Kikeson better open a chaturbate page and it better be her and hot the souchou avatar. Show me what your freedom can give you or gtfo

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>>27847698
I guess time will tell how the jp audience will respond to their culture. Most of us gravitated to vtubing as a breath of fresh air away from what content creators we used to watch had become (I used to be a huge funhaus fan). You could make the argument that jp chuba viewers don't have the same trepidation, that they don't see twitch thots slapping on an anime avatar in the same "black ships" way we do. But again, we'll see.

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>>27843661
This behaviour is straight out of the vindictive cunt handbook.

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>>27841154
Same here but I do care somewhat about the chuubas wellbeing, least yours didn't get shafted violently by snoy, and mine blew up hard because she shown how to use social media properly, making even twitter fun to watch if only because COLLAB WHEN!?

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>>27848085
>holo and niji antis immediately combine to hate on them saving both worlds
I'd take the knee again

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>>27848085
>Most of us gravitated to vtubing as a breath of fresh air away from what content creators we used to watch had become
ot was this way for me

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>>27836849
Seek professional help, you're not well.

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>>27847607
understandable given their corporate nature and reliance on youtube and pleasing their sponsors, you piss off the sponsors means less money no matter how many subs, you piss off youtube you lose self advertising/source of revenue, you'd also lose face by claling everyone a cunt on stream

I know a corpo that does call people cunts but her views are too low, maybe when she hits hololive numbers under snoy's management she might need to make a choice, self censor or leave

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>>27847698
Samefag here but what made her stand out in hololive is that she... stood out. She could verbally flashbang her seiso coworkers and get funny reactions. How is that shtick going to work when she would have to get much raunchier to even register?
>*kson and [insert VS member] surgeon simulator collab*
>kson: ok I'm gonna give a big injection in his mouth.. how do you feel about BIG injections?
>vei: I don't mind swallowing cum you get used to it
>mouse: I took a load to the eye and got an infection once
>mel: I like to just take it to the face that's hot!
>nyanners: aethel eats healthy so his cum tastes fine
>kson: uhhh...

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>>27845008
NOT A CORPORATION
Don't mind us plastering our corporate logo everywhere!

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>>27848764
>Mikeneko: I've tasted mafumafu and it tasted fishy... Like my vag sometimes, um girls is that normal?

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>>27848764
She'll have to change things up, use her leverage of being in japan to her advantage, that said if you haven't noticed during collabs she actually gets a bit shy unless the person is less established than her ie her "sister" yura from prism project and even then yura expected too much and pushed her a few times getting the kinda example you're describing, she'll either be a guru in japan culture or being through "so much" as a vtuber to stand out among vshojo, all that said with melody they seemed the fitting duo so not all hope is lost
>>27848924
I know you're being a dick but hay I laughed, in anycase she has near zero english skills so she'll just be seen as "the cute one" and only her jp fans will really know anything whule the others will only know what the shitposters will tell them

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>>27847698
>sex
>politics
>showing their face despite being a vtuber
WTF I hate creative freedom

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>>27848924
Here's a pasta I saw on /jp/
>I honestly don't think she knows what she's getting into. After hearing kson spout outright lies shilling her new company it's likely she fed her a bunch of sugar-coated bullshit. Do you really think Mike has any grasp of how antithetical vshojo is to her? How much vei has directly shit on her specific style of content? (all vtubers have boyfriends like I do the ones that sell you GFE like rushia are especially fake bimbos)That 2 of them openly stream with their bfs, how attached-at-the-hip they are with trashtaste, who one of them is married to a member? The level of sneering contempt they have for "parasocial/idol/purity" kayfabe? Even jp fans in general are only now just barely starting to get a hint about them.

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>>27845008
It's interesting the word used there. Creative freedom implies freedom to create your own projects without interference from management, but you are still working for a company with certain expectations. Talent freedom is more vague so it implies a greater amount of freedom, meaning being able to do whatever you want with your talent.

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>>27849378
>kayfabe
Most EN chuubas that I have seen don't stick to kayfabe. The few ones that consistently stick to character are less popular ones like Rosemi and Chibidoki. Everyone else breaks character constantly, or don't even have a set character to begin with (and just act like themselves). In Myth and Council the only one that doesn't seem to break character is Fauna, but I don't watch her outside of collabs so I don't really know.

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>>27847698
>Cant show their face/body
>Be Vtuber
Anon, are you retarded or just stupid?

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>>27849378
I mean mikeneko isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed so she was probably convinced one way or the other by something kson told her since kson is now tard wrangling her.

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>>27850207
tell that to all the 3,2,1 face reveal! vtubers who says not accepting it is equal to oppressing and gatekeeping them which makes you toxic.

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>>27847698
>Can't talk about anything overly sexual publicly
Coco and Moona have both shaved their pubic hair live on stream. Multiple holos have showered together on stream and described how they were groping each other.

>Can't talk about controversial topics (i.e: politics)
There is nothing creative about retweeting Ben Shapiro or Rachel Maddow and they're allowed to do it on their roommate accounts.

>Can't show their faces on stream or body (beyond just fully covered hands)
Keep the V in vtubing. They can stream as themselves on roommate channels and some, like Mori, do.

>Almost all uncommon (non gaming / zatsu) projects have to go through management's checks first, and might get rejected
Given the kind of shit that's gotten approved (eg: hair removal streams, those weird baby RPs, Hachaama's menhera death of Akai Haato streams among others), the shit that they actually deny is almost certainly for copyright or similar reasons.

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>>27850428
They get hired to play a role of a cartoon character they don't like it they could go independent like kson was and show their face all they want.

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>>27848216
I miss tsuki-chan so much bros...

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>>27836027
>I am a raging homosexual

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>>27850565
Glad for you to come forwards now go back into the closet.

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>>27843224
Suisei is uglier physically but coco was uglier inwardly

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>>27834955
One designer said it the best- "People think pressure and freedom are two extremes on the same axis, when in reality they are two different axes. When working with a creative person you need to balance pressure and freedom, too much pressure or too much freedom gives no result."

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>>27846163
>pressure Cover to give Coco's model to Kson
Cover is a fucking retard and on their way to become CyberLive 2.0 if they actually do that

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>>27850219
It's obvious Kson is just manipulating her. Have you seen mikeneko's menhera breakdowns when she was fired? Kson probably didn't want to look shameless joining Vshoujo alone so she used mikeneko as a shield.

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>>27850661
>Suisei is uglier physically
Coco's both. She hit the wall pretty early for an Asian

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>>27844945
>what "talent freedom" is supposed to mean
It means Kson can show her tits on stream and push her ass into the camera while screaming not to stare at her ass. It nets her more money than actually creating something like Asacoco. Just look at her gucci "collab." Kson is creatively bankrupt.

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>>27834955
Creative freedom is just a buzzword those without talent like to throw around to excuse what they lack and usually boils down to them doing nothing much outside what they've been doing so far anyway. They won't do anything creative, despite what the term implies, at most they'll just react to youtube videos while eating lunch, or show off their face/ass. Restrictions beget creativity, that is a fact, freedom just lets you take the easy route, so there's no need to think of a creative workaround.
Not that I blame them, untalented people have to make a living somehow so they need a cope to keep themselves and their fans going

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>>27845008
I would literally live, every second ever, fucking Silvervale, no stop, no rest, nothing else.

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>>27844914
Aren't there tons of rrats about Hololive talents having all kinds of projects cancelled at the whims of management?

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>>27852607
Not rrats, pekora literally said it once on stream

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>>27845094
That sounds more like YouTube increasing their own restrictions.

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>>27848764
There is no punchline there m8.

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>>27844945
Talent freedom just means they have no rules from Vshojo, nor do Vshojo have any ownership of the Talent's characters.
They also don't make any money off of streams, and any merch made without the help of Vshojo.
Also they don't need game permissions though to be honest most streamers have that freedom.

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>>27849378
good thing she doesn't speak english so she won't know they shittalk the entire concept of her and her fanbase.

[Anonymous No.]

creative freedom = appearing on chaturbate, collabing with connor and the trash taste gang, collabing with nuxtaku

Maybe we should have less creative freedom

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>>27853094
>Also they don't need game permissions though to be honest most streamers have that freedom.
If they're streaming from japan they'll need game permissions.

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>>27853108
Her gachkois and kson would never lay that out for her because hololive bad. Anyone explaining that stuff to her would just get drowned out as being "antis"

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>>27853490
That sign gets tapped for a reason

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Is Vshojo really not a corpo?

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>>27850730
Somewhat related but this one's from the farms

See, in my opinion, they need to be really careful now that they don't become the TNA of the Vtubing world. For none wrestling autists, TNA was a "rival" show to WWE after the collapse of the other major company, WCW. TNA had lots of young, impressive talent that they were pushing but were VERY much an "indie" show seen as being a proving ground before you moved onto bigger shows like WWE... then after WCW died a bunch of talent didn't want to work for WWE so they got hired up by TNA who tried to act like a big dog with these new recognisable names. Then anytime a WWE wrestler quit or was fired, TNA would snatch them up. Very quickly all of their own homegrown talent was buried to make room for their new "big names". TNA quickly became a joke and I think it's gone bankrupt (again). That's just what VShojo is doing with Coco and Rushia. They're picking up Hololive's scraps and they're trying to make a big deal of it... just like TNA did. TNA died a VERY hard death. Numerous changes of owners, numerous talents quitting on enmasse, several bankrupt sagas. Basically everyone ended up going back to WWE after awhile because that's where the money actually was and TNA was left with a tiny pool of nobodies, even their own homegrown talent all left to WWE to other smaller wrestling shows that had overtaken them in popularity.

That's probably quite spergy for non-wrestling fans but it was the first thing that comes to mind as someone who likes another form of niche entertainment. VS is just starting to act like TNA did in the early 2000s by running to pick up the bigger channel's cast offs. Vtubing doesn't have the same number of castoffs from big companies though as WWE would have which is a plus but it wouldn't surprise me if HL keeps growing, they'll start cutting their less well performing members. You'll have a "Baki-Ruze" appearing in VS a week after Aki-Rose gets graduated.

Is it nice to see Rushia back...I guess... but she already was back and only wasn't livestreaming because she was being such a menhera. She had a fucking new model made for Mikeneko and streamed like once... now she's changing again to be another new character lol Kson didn't need VS and Mike didn't need VS, that's why I see it as VShojo trying to catch HL's scraps, to promote themselves more than help those two. That's what TNA did and TNA shit the bed

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>>27853643
The fact kson had to do an entire cope stream about it whining means it is.

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>>27853715

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>>27853643
No anon they offer legal and promotional support to chubas asking nothing in return just like kson says. They're the Mother Theresa of vtubing sent to right the wrongs of the demon yagoo

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>>27853814
>No anon they offer legal and promotional support to chubas asking nothing in return just like kson says
They also handle merch and get a profit from that.

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>>27853772
Glad I could give you a reason to use that reaction image thanks for your contribution

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>>27853877

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>>27853715
>this one's from the farms
fuck off back to your tmz clone faggot

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>>27853814
My bad they still have to eat after all. Vows of poverty allow that

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>>27834955
For some, yes I suppose.

Btw, what was Rushias problem? Is she still around? I get bipolar vibes from what I hear about Rushia. Sad that she left though.

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>>27853915
Yes different communities pearl cluth about different retarded shit here's your You. Pic related would get you banned in an instant there for example

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did I miss something?
Suisei also make an emergency run away from Kson to the point she will live in a hotel for a while!?

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>>27854141
Please do reps. Literally not the same building

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>>27854019
She is literally clinically diagnosed with bipolar disorder and has been harassed by antis daily for about 5 months now. The Nazuna character might be a way for her to stream without receiving so much shit
People in the Genshin community attacked her after she streamed the game once and some 100k subs Pokemon channel made a video shitting on her after she streamed Pokemon once

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>>27854141
Holy retard

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>>27854027
>normie gossip-fags get performatively upset about lolis and go on pedohunts
shocker

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>>27854287
Here's another fresh of the press. They're literally afraid to even talk about her because the model makes them "uncomfortable". But digging up and posting pics of the actual person is A-OK

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>>27852607
Pekora and Marine have both complained about it on stream.

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>>27854272
Sounds like I nailed it. My mom has BPD, so I have an idea how it manifests.
It's fucked up that she's attacked so much. If people with mental problems could magically cure themselves, I sure they would. But it's not that simple.
So I wish folks would have more empathy.

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>>27853067
That's the point.

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>>27854571
She doesn't get any sympathy from her antis for having mental health issues (and I'm pretty sure some claim she's using it to milk her viewers, if they're not just claiming that she's faking it.)
Anti culture is just vile. At this point, I'm pretty sure most people who are attacking her are just doing it for shits and giggles, hoping that they'll trigger a response from her. The actual schizo antis are trying to push her to suicide. Those are the type of people who were doxxing her fans (including an elementary schoolgirl, who was doxxed on 5ch). The only advantage is that a lot of her antis are complete normalfags, so they don't even know that Nazuna is likely to be Rushia/Mikeneko. Only time will tell how that goes.

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I think people forget how badly Cover treated Coco

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMiuR2Gga60

That's why she values creative freedom. Heck, we never even got an official version of Weather Hackers and it had to be bleeped out.

I remember her even taking multiple days out of her final week to come up with plans for her farewell stream and management even rejected her 1st, 2nd and 3rd ideas for that.

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>>27854571
>why don't people just magically accept the disorder that makes you manipulative, abusive, and inherently cruel? Don't they know how hard it is to be isolated because you're an asshole who is likely to have episodes where they treat everyone around them like shit?
no ty. Not a social leverage point I ever want somebody with bpd to ever have because they'd abuse it during an 'episode'. They should get help but others aren't and should never be obliged to get hurt for them.

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>>27855122
Anon, are you getting bipolar disorder mixed up with borderline personality disorder?

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>>27855181
Fuck. You're totally right, my dumbass shitposted tired. My bad.

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>>27853715
Good point. It's a failure strategy to beat the giant.

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>>27854272
>>27854571
BPD is different from bipolar disored.

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>>27854374
That can't be real. Are they really THAT pathetic?

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>>27854890
>how badly Cover treated Coco
Not badly at all from what I can see.

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>>27855122
>>27855181
>>27855217
>>27855294
I am >>27854571, I used the initialism wrong. Mom has bipolar disorder, not BPD (which is borderline personality disorder). Thanks for helping me clarify.

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>>27854374
never seen a case of projection this blatant before, their hard drives unironically need to be seized.

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>>27855313
Yes they're an unholy chimera of lolcows and reddit.

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>>27855323
Bipolar is a mood disorder and BPD is a personality disorder. From what I have heard bipolar primarily manifests as people having manic episodes, but also often have depressive episodes. Meanwhile BPD is primarily about having very intense emotions and intense fear of abandonment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lox1FC4zPM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to5qRLRSS7g

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>>27834955
Creative freedom is nothing but a cope

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libertad creativa...

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>>27855516
Yeah I understand the basics, I just got the initialism (aka acronym) confused.
Thanks for explaining though.

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>>27848361
Have you ever had pussy ? EVER ?

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>>27850002
>In Myth and Council the only one that doesn't seem to break character is Fauna
Story has it that Faunas character isn't just an act so take from that what you will. I'd say Gura is the one I think puts on the biggest show and rarely breaks character.

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>>27844945

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>>27847698
Those points are so fucking bad. Why the fuck would I want sexual jokes and shit when my friends are already being too much for me.

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>>27848298
Saving?

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>>27856721
Yes, they save brand and they hate talent's freedom

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>>27842642
It's fairly obvious that Mori could make better music if she wasn't stuck in hololive the idolfag central. I'd say that's a reason, idol culture is toxic and restricts creative and personal freedoms.

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>>27854272
>Japanese
>diagnosed with any sort of mental illness
dyrbi

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>>27856869
Please elaborate on how she could make better music.

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>>27856869
Creative freedom would mean not having ever been a reaper in the first place

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>>27856869
It would be great if she went to Vwhorejo and lost her contract with Universal Music

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>>27856869
>It's fairly obvious that Mori could make better music if she wasn't stuck in hololive the idolfag central
lol
i guess that's why her past life was such a roaring chart topping success that brought her so much cash she was living in 5-star hotels and drinking better scotch that shitty johnny walker

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>>27856869
Explain her PL with shitty music that were never recognized, which disproves your point of being great, let alone being greater than her Mori persona's songs

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>>27856869
Excellent bait.

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>>27854374
They're a good reminder that the average conservacuck hates anime as much as woketards. Literally terrified of japanese cartoons. In the end amelia was right to vote for a lolbert.

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>>27846163
How could Vshojo pressure Cover into releasing Coco?

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>>27846440
I doubt she cares about jumping ship, especially because that contract with Universal Music.

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>>27850852
>Coco's both. She hit the wall pretty early for an Asian
Bad American diet, alcohol, and lack of sleep would do that to you.

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>>27854374
Who even is that vtuber?

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>>27853715
Vshojo is the tna of vtubbing you've just realize this too late.

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>>27853643
n-no, why would you even think vshojo incorporated is some kind of corporate vtuber group? they're just indies that contractually work under the same company. it's not a corporation at all.

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>vshojo doesn't have a cut on their SC/donation earnings outside merch
Taking a cut from arguably the better source of income. That's smart. Vwhores getting jewed by their masters rumao

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>>27859833
>the irony of this post and image
you hololdrones have zero self awareness.

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>>27854272
I have bi polar disorder and I don't sperg out like rushia does. I'm sorry you need a better excuse than this. Everyone is fucking bipolar. Stop lol

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>>27859833
They trusted Daniel (((Sanders))) and Kikeson lmao

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>>27859833
It's a win-win situation since indies have a harder time handling merch, events, and sponsors. So they get all the money they would as an indie via subs and donations, but also get all the exposure and support from a corporation.

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>>27860107
Nice cope

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>>27859976
Rushia behavior seems more like BPD though. She clearly was panicking over the fear of being fired and losing her fans, which falls in line with how people with Borderline have an intense fear of being abandoned.

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>>27859965
>the holos take a huge part if not all the profits off their merch
>vwhores get peanuts because its on their contracts
Cope and seethe

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>>27860207
Not an argument.

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>>27860229
>the holos take a huge part if not all the profits off their merch
now that's cope

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>>27859976
hope you kill yourself soon then

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>>27834955
Actually it's detrimental. We have rules for a reason.

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>>27860244
Not an indie

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>>27860211
>panicking over being fired for fucking up
>must be BPD

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>>27860414
I didn't said it was indie. I said they get the same benefits as an indie, while still getting the benefits of working with a corpo.

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>>27860265
My favorite cope is that Vwhorejo is not a company

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>>27860265
Nta but that was not a cope when it's the truth. There's a big fucking reason they keep pushing their merchs to their audience and not superchat. Not unlike vshojo lmao.

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>>27860457
Actually what made me think she has BPD was when she baited suicide, which is common among people with borderline.

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>>27860465
Tatsucucks always say that Kson and Mike are still indies

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>>27860545
I am a newfag. I didn't watched Coco when she was active.

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>>27860495
nta, but the cut from holo merch is a mystery as the cut from vshojo merch
but the one fact we know that Cover is taking a cut from superchat while vshojo don't.
you just assuming things withot any basis other than "they push their merch" why wouldn't they? to get bay they need to use everything when company takes a cut from everything they do.

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>>27854027
I don't really have anything to say about this thread but holy jesas this is one very very sexy Luna. Fuuuuuuuuuck.

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>>27848216
>I do care somewhat about the chuubas wellbeing
Me too, they put on the lotion or they get the hose.

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>>27845088
>>27844914
Kson literally said creative freedom about 8 times in japanese during her explanation

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>>27842642
They aren't allowed to collab with their boyfriends and they aren't allowed to talk like this
https://files.catbox.moe/6lbq01.mp4

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>>27861099
If that's creative freedom, then I'm glad Holomens doesn't have it

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>>27859833
Vshojo doesn't take cuts from donations because none of the girls have managers they have to pay, they just make free money off the merch

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>>27834955
If you ask Json it's more important than your best friend.

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>>27860798
It's not as big a difference as you'd think. Twitch takes a 50% cut of on-platform subs and donations, whereas the combined cut of YouTube and Cover is, last we heard, 58% (30% to YouTube then 40% to Cover according to Lamy early last year)

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>>27861099
Cannot people find other Vei clips? Pretty sure she has quite a bit of good stuff that hasn't been erased from history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grvLhwwBvnQ

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>>27861099
Who actually watches this? Why?

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>>27861099
Well, they can have boyfriends both cover and some of the girls said this before and if they're someone who's allowed to collabed with like rpr, then they can technically collab with their boyfriends, they just choose not to cause they're not retarded. They are also allowed to talk like that, there are no rules of decency, again they just choose to not talk like that cause they're not retarded.

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>>27861689
kson wants to collab with her boyfriend and that's final, she literally said she's into NTR on her chaturbate stream with melody
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDfi2AdqKfI

How has no one realized this was what kson was aiming for all along

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>>27861535
It's educational.

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>>27861891
>Kson bf reveal
>it's C*nnor
Imagine the seethe.

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>>27861891
>Json cucks Tatsukeks
Pottery

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>>27861891
Someone should tell kikeson her fans give no fucks about her boyfriend and having him around is a bad business move especially if your goal is to retake the gachikois she lost from when she graduated from hololive. The more I keep finding out about her the more I wish I hadn't heard of her.

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>>27861891
>NTR
EOPs really can't comprehend the concept of NTR huh? If its voluntary, its not NTR, so she literally can't NTR if she's into it. If NTR is just cheating, then rape is just sex
That said it would be hilarious if she did a bf reveal now that she's with vshojo, this place would implode, would be even better if Rushia did it

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>>27862159
>then rape is just sex

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>>27861891
>kson might stream the first live vtuber insemination on chaturbate
Truly the most creative of freedoms

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Kanata moving to get away from Vshojo e-thots
a wise business decision
risk management indeed

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>>27862570
It's because ksons boyfriend is moving in

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>>27862570
Did she say why she was leaving? Did kson ask her to leave so Miguel gatto can move in?

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>>27862704
She kicked kanata out because she wants to collab with her boyfriend. Imagine choosing dick over friendship. Kson if you're reading this you're a piece of shit. And if I was a gaijin living in japan I'd steal kanata from you. You're worthless and not worthy of having friend as pure as kanata. Fuck you kikeson I hope mikeneko stabs you in the back like she did mafu and korekore you fucking whore.

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>>27862508
Already happened (kind of, not sure it was live) : https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph60735f72ddab8

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>>27862927
>I hope mikeneko stabs you in the back like she did mafu and korekore you fucking whore.
never happened

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>>27862704
I'm believing the BF moving in rrat honestly, she's getting old, kanata specifically mentioned security, which means it's someone moving in that shouldn't know her

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>>27863077
You might want to do your reps fandead.

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>>27863176
I have, which is how I know you're full of shit.

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>>27863223
You haven't but please post the next lie.

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>>27863241
The only one posting lies is you

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>>27862927
>>27863079
>bf rrat
But then why wait until now, just as she joined vshojo? She could have done it while she was an indie a long while ago. Surely you're not implying that vshojo has more "freedom" than indies.

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>>27863414
>Surely you're not implying that vshojo has more "freedom" than indies.
Of course they have, you don't see indies putting up posters of themselves with the the word FREEDOM plastered onto it

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>>27862927
>be schizophrenic to the point that voices in your head have schizophrenia
jesas, unironically go see a doctor

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>>27862508
Not actually the first

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>>27862159
There's a difference between Netorare and Netori. One is getting cucked while the other is cucking others.

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>>27834955
What did kson do with her newfound "creative freedom" when she left Hololive?

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>>27864176
And you kill yourself

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>>27865153
She did a couple of cosplays, or maybe it was just one, i can't remember, she also did some gunpla, other than that, nothing much
She did do a takoyaki cooking stream with not-mel and not-choco if that counts, but the only difference between that and the usual handcam cooking streams was that only their heads were out of frame

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>>27863414
>Join vwhorejo
>Acquire their cuck fans
>Reveal boyfriend
>No backlash because there is no one as loud as a cuckold so they will bury any negativity against her

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>>27834955
la creatividad...

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>>27844945
one of them is more control over their avatar designs.
also they can immediately say things that need to be said without a manager's approval

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>>27861361
didn’t she say that they hire her bodyguards, also giving tech support
I don’t those come for free

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>>27869577
>nipponese bodyguards
abe...

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>>27870706
The big bad wolf could huff and puff to fold them...

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> NOOOOOO!!! WESTERN VTUBERS I DON'T LIKE!!!! NOW I'M FUCKING MAAAAAAADDD!!! *SNORT* GRRRRRR!!!
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