/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

maybe vShojo had a point

[Anonymous No.]

>CUM PISS SEX VAGINA PUSSY ANUS ANAL PENIS

[Anonymous No.]

>>32292722
But enough about Marine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32292722
yes, exactly that.

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>>32292644
Reminder that only retards thinks that "Talent Freedom" means talking about sex on stream.

[Anonymous No.]

Nice motto.
So where's the talent?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32294982
Ogey then what it stands for?

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>>32292644
>WE HAVE TALENT FREEDOM
Does that make your content better than Hololive's?
>N-no that's not the point--
Then I won't watch

[Anonymous No.]

>>32296831
They can do what they want, when they want it. The opposite of following a script and pretending all the time

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>>32296965
They do nothing but react to youtube videos, you fucking retard.

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>>32296965
Right, so they talk about sex on stream. Got it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32297082
Among other things. Why the fixation on sex? Do not focus on what you don't have, you'll be miserable otherwise

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>>32296965
well, that's their mistake. vtubers are adult women pretending to be underage cartoons. anyone into this hates reality by definition, so the less real it is, the better

[Anonymous No.]

>>32297240
Vtubing has evolved past that now.

[Anonymous No.]

>Recent drama with Kronii
>She is just a retard
>Her CCV is the same as always
>Only vt and containment breakers without a job are panicking
>V-vshojo had a point....
(You)

[Anonymous No.]

>>32296965
Including doing shit with this so called freedom as >>32297074 said!

[Anonymous No.]

>>32297238
Ok, so what have they done with their freedom besides vulgarity? What has been done that is so industry rocking, so mind blowing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32297238
Because in reality that's the only thing that makes them different from other vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>talent freedom

[Anonymous No.]

>>32296831
It's about in-agency freedom. Instead of being hired to play a role of a pre-determined character, and have stricter rules of conduct towards collabs and what games they can or not play, they can ask for what character they want to play and get outfits and or 3D models whenever they want, while not really having to go through a manager whenever they want to play something or do a cover/karaoke.
It's an approach closer to an indie streamer. Doesn't mean that there aren't similar companies in some regards, but that poster is specifically aimed towards vtubers that ended up not wanting to join the bigger companies like Hololive and Nijisanji after understanding what are the restrictions.
To the audience, this doesn't mean much, since they only get the finished product, but this ad isn't aimed towards the audience, it's for their headhunting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32297238
>has no argument or examples to argue
>resorts to insults
Typical vshojofag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32297500
They are doing what they want, it doesn't have to be big or mind blowing. It has to be right for them and it is.

But I could say, huge marathons, gigantic collabs, more mature topics (mature does not only mean porn you puritan zealot) etc.

And before you say 'but X huge corpo did it too' the fact that they do it with little to no support is the best thing.

Also vshojo gives too little support so if you want to shit on them use that but I digress.

[Anonymous No.]

their models are all inconsistent and ugly.

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>>32294982

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>>32297884
And they get too little support and they lack a collective identity and..

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>>32297789
So being able to organize collabs and marathons huh? so they can use Google calendar and read a clock? Groundbreaking.

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>>32292644
>had a point
exactly. not a good one nevertheless

[Anonymous No.]

>>32297463
>so called freedom
LOL

[Anonymous No.]

>>32297307
a maggot-infested corpse is not a next stage of evolution, it's the end of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32292722
but that's Marine's phrase anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>32297789
>>32297626
>They are doing what they want, it doesn't have to be big or mind blowing. It has to be right for them and it is.
The exact same thing can be said for Hololive, Nijisanji, and other corpos.

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>>32297789
>with little to no support is the best thing.
didn't they receive funding, in the millions?

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>>32292722

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>>32297954
Are we talking about Nijisanji?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32298234
They do not do what they want and it shows. Mostly when they can't play what they want. collab with who they want or during the cringe that is some collabs. Or, now, in hololive, when they against the fanbase that the corpo has produced.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32298335
It's funny because it's true

[Anonymous No.]

>>32292644
the point is talent freedom doesn't work without actual talent which Vshojo lack of

[Anonymous No.]

>>32298293
Kek

[Anonymous No.]

The Koronii drama was still a Vwhorefags' campaign.
You do realize that no matter how stupid she is, her fans will never watch Vshojo, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32297074
Dark souls
Minecraft
Weird games
Etc

[Anonymous No.]

>>32297074
Ogey

[Anonymous No.]

Talent freedom to live rent free in fags heada

[Anonymous No.]

>>32298477
>They do not do what they want
Actually they do. They can't play every game they want to because of permissions but every game they do play is something they choose for themselves and want to play. But my point is probably lost on your ESL ass.

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>>32292644
Why do they call them talents? They aren't talented

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>>32292644
>get talent freedom
>become miserable, want to kill yourself, regret joining
what did he mean by this...?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32298234
Are the newfags so new that they haven't heard about the Sasaki un-graduation? It literally happened because management said that she couldn't play the nintendo games she wanted to.
Why do you think that any game or music that isn't pre-approved needs to go through management first, if they can do whatever they want?

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>>32299099
So they do what they want except they can't play the games they want, or collab with whom they want or touch certain topics they want to talk about? Man, my ESL is showing, because you are not making any fucking sense.

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>>32297601

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I can't believe what they did to Melody (actual account from Vshojo fans):
>Mel is literally autistic no cap fr fr
>Mel is super teehee shy (proof of autism)
>They made her go on Chaturbate despite her being so autistic she gets nervous and shy about the shlicking coming out of her pussy while masturbating
>She still ended up schlip schlorping her vagina and gaping asshole for her fans and now she's so embarrassed!
How heart breaking. I can't believe Hololive would stoop to this level by having a few streams with bikini models.

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>>32298293
I only make an exception for Nyanners because i have been following her since way back before vtubing and her being an absurd comedic trainwreck is what I like about her, but whenever the other Vshojo girls just keep bringing up some gross vagina talk or etc it just has the same effect as Amy Schumer talking about her stinky vag. You just get tired of it fast. Even the cute anime girl avatar does not make it more tolerable.

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>>32300258
Yeah a silly word is totally on the same level as gouging out assholes with futa cocks
Fucking retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>32300258
Oh nyoooooo

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>>32298477
Can vshojo play smt5 on stream? Can they play persona 5 in it's entirety? Permissions don't apply to them for some inane reason?

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>>32297601
How did her English degrade so much?

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>>32300258
Why do Hololive models always look like they have Down Syndrome?

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>>32297370
Swap kroni with any vshojo and vshojo with hololive and you have this board summarized

[Anonymous No.]

>>32300682
Melody played Persona 4.

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>>32292644
Freedom is not an inherent good. If you give a kid total freedom, he'll eat nothing but ice cream and end up malnourished. People should only have freedom if they are mentally and morally capable of using it for productive ends, which Vshojo absolutely are not.

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>>32292865
>>32298211
marine didnt say that
but she did sue someone for calling her dumb on 5ch

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>>32300953
This might hold a lot of truth. I watch both vshojo and Hololive but I definitely enjoy Hololive more because they are not spewing gross things as Vshojo that sometimes even feels like they are being gross for the sake of being edgy.

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>>32292644
Yes, that strict rules and zero tolerance are the only way.

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>>32301177
>If you give a kid total freedom, he'll eat nothing but ice cream and end up malnourished.
And after said experience they won't do it again, knowing how bad it is for them. Compare that to sheltering a kid for their entire childhood and then watching them go out drinking, doing drugs, and sleeping around once they finally get freedom. Holofags should know this feeling very well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32302149
I'm glad that you will never produce children

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>>32292722
this is why i don't watch vwhorejo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32300561
She hates you. (You), personally.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32292722
Are these translated lyrics to Ahoy or something

[Anonymous No.]

>>32298211
I love people contradicting themselves like this. When you say Marine is equal or worse than Vshojo, you are basically saying Marine and Cover actually has more Talent Freedom™ than Vshitjo. Look at Kson, still mild as fuck after leaving Hololive, pretty disappointing.

[Anonymous No.]

>Talent freedom.
>Kson is the most depressed she's ever been in her life.
Many such cases.

[Anonymous No.]

>NOOO YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT SEX, ONLY MARINE CAN BECAUSE SHE'S FROM HOLOLIVE AND JAPANESE OK?!!?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32306688
Marine has Talent Freedom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32306192
It's obvious what happens when you give freedom to a chicken that can't fly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32300953
spoken like a cuck whom women would never choose willingly

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>>32306149
Vshojo fans are masters of double think.
>Muh talent freedom.
>Can't explain what exactly this is outside of literally only being differentiated by being able to fuck themselves on chaturbate and that Hololive talents supposedly don't have it.

>Marine's a whore because she says I'm horny and has lewd videos. Wearing bikinis makes them whores and Hololives entire business model is around that.
>We should support and appreciate women acting like whores because Vshojo does it and it's no big deal.

>Idol culture is disgusting and panders to gachikois.
>Disregard that some of our talents are leaning into idol culture, have idol outfits, or any of the obvious obsessed whales we have. Also some of the Vshojo talents are legit virgins that are pure!

[Anonymous No.]

>>32303436
Thankfully neither will Holofags

[Anonymous No.]

>>32303841
no, she only hates pedos like yourself. kind of like everyone else does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32306983
talent freedom means there is nobody to forbid you from going through with any content ideas that you have
nobody to force you to delete social media posts
nobody to suspend you
of course this has both upsides and downsides

[Anonymous No.]

>>32306983
>talent freedom
Literally just means that you can do whatever you want. The fact that you think this is unexplainable makes you a retard

>whores
vshoujochads are fine with whores. We bring up marine to show the hypocrisy of holoshitters, not because we have a problem with it

>idol culture
you can be an idol without being part of idol culture. Nyanners publicly has a boyfriend an Silvervale does JOI. Nobody in Vshoujo is leaning into idol culture despite some of them being objectively idols. If you don't understand this you are just a triple faggot retard combo

[Anonymous No.]

>>32292644
Talent freedom does not matter if there is no talent :D

[Anonymous No.]

Freedom to piss off holoshits with collabs

[Anonymous No.]

>join vshojo
>instantly want to die
at least they got freedom right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32306983
They have the rights to their persona
They can create their own merch
They don't have to pay vshojo a part of their earnings
Also all of that
>>32307732
It's not necessarily creating better content but it's a really good deal for the talents if they can make it work for them and enables them to more easily explore untapped markets.

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>>32308164
>Hardly or never creates content different than what she did with Hololive
>Rants for a while about how she doesn't actually have talent freedom and her being in Vshojo has actually reduced her coworkers freedom to do collabs/get sponsorships.
hmmmm
>>32308436
>They don't have to pay vshojo a part of their earnings
What's the actual proof of this? How do you think Vshojo the corporation gets its operating expenses? Why do they still delete some of their social media posts if they have no obligations to do so?

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>>32292644
Something something whores something something peepee poopoo something something hololive

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>>32308661
Vshoujo gets money because they can use the likeness of the talent for their company-produced merch. They also get money from investors and sponsors, and their CEO is literally rich. The talents themselves do not cede any money to them

>why do they still delete some of their social media posts if they have no obligations
anon this is literal basic pr. If you say something retarded you delete it

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>>32309021
>anon this is literal basic pr. If you say something retarded you delete it
So what's the difference between this and having someone hired to look out for you pointing out you said something retarded?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32306975
Vshowhores won't pick you either

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>>32308661
Vshojo can create their own merch of the girls, which funds it's operation. Read their website if you're actually curious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32309193
it's different because you can choose what to delete. If you want to mention Taiwan, in vshoujo you can. in Hololive you would be forced to delete it. This has upsides and downsides of course, but ultimate it gives you full control of your career instead of being forced to bow to your corporate overloads

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>>32309286
I have read their site. I just don't see half of the claims people espouse here as written in stone and they conveniently leave out what their actual contract looks like with the talents so all of the claims that they take no fees from superchats, have no representation fees, etc. seems to be total bullshit. If I'm wrong you should be able to screencap or post a direct link to reference.

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>>32301233
qrd?

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>>32308027
>Literally just means that you can do whatever you want.
Literally the only thing they do that Hololive don't is being a whore and openly talk about their irl sex life. Literally nothing else.
>vshoujochads are fine with whores.
No, you are not, faggot, pic realted. Also, what hypocrisy when you are bombarded with posts like "yes" and "unironically it's ok when Marine does it"?
>Nobody in Vshoujo is leaning into idol culture
They want to be Hololive, that's the biggest hypocrisy on this.

>>32308436
>>32309021
>They don't have to pay vshojo a part of their earnings
You really are a child, aren't you? Yeah, they definitely don't have to pay anything to use Vshojo's resources, yeah sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32292644
Managers protecting you from the worst of your bad impulses is preferable to the freedom to only make the content a sick puerto rican wants you to make.

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>>32309444
Kson has directly confirmed there is no revenue split in Vshoujo.
>>32309538
>Literally the only thing they do that Hololive don't is being a whore and openly talk about their irl sex life
They can play whatever games they want, including modded (possible but extremely difficult to get perms for in Holo), emulated, and otherwise impossible for corporate games. This is an objective upside for the talents. They are also allowed to do any real life content they want from the same account (whether you think this is good or not is up to you- personally I'm fine with it)
>pic realted
anon she streamed one time in that time period because she was moving. Retard. I still watch her. She lost some subs but her average viewcount is fine
>They want to be Hololive
no they don't, lmao
>Yeah, they definitely don't have to pay anything to use Vshojo's resources, yeah sure.
Correct. Vshouo is funded by investors and their merch. They are a low production "company" so they do not need the amount Niji/Holo need for their 3d live productions.

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>>32310139
>Kson has directly confirmed there is no revenue split in Vshoujo.
No revenue split could be distinct to her contract with them. Have any of the others states this?
And no rev split does not mean no representation fees, legal fees, consulting fees stipulations etc.

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>>32310402
Silvervale has also confirmed that they get all their revenue when she redebuted, so I'm reasonably sure its company wide policy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=2575&v=dor-lBUwt5k&feature=youtu.be
>And no rev split does not mean no representation fees, legal fees, consulting fees stipulations etc.
That's true! Honesly I can't find any info on that, but I think that A) no company covers those and B) the extra revenue would make up for it either way. That's speculation though

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>>32309538
>They want to be Hololive, that's the biggest hypocrisy on this.

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>>32292644
which

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>>32310139
Easier permissions is an advantage but it's not talent freedom, Hololive still has an greater variety of content. What kind of freedom is this?
>he streamed one time in that time period because she was moving
Nobody is going to unsub because of this and you know it, stop coping.
>no they don't
>copying the need of a lore
>idol outfits
>singing idol songs on concerts
>literally scouting ex-hololives
>need to namedrop and give jabs at Hololive everytime they can
Again, stop denying the obvious to anyone seeing.

>>32310402
Exactly, it is too much wishful thinking to believe they don't need to give anything to the "definitely not a company" Vshojo.

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>>32311338
I get you are an ESL troll but I got time on my hands so I will play ball regardless
>Easier permissions is an advantage but it's not talent freedom
yes it is. Hololive is NOT ALLOWED to play things like modded games, romhacks, etc. The Vshoujo moded mc server is something that would not be allowed in Holo/Niji. This is objectively freedom in what you want to play.
>Hololive still has an greater variety of content
Doesn't matter and irrelevant. Talent freedom means you can do what you want, not that you have to do something different.
>Nobody is going to unsub because of this and you know it, stop coping.
Roughly 30% of nyanners subs are gifted. Nobody gifts subs when you are offline. Between 10-25% of additional subs are prime subs. Nobody prime subs when you are offline because you have to manually redo it every month. There are also people who manually sub month by month. All of these people are unsubbing. Many of them have gone back since she came back.
>copying the need of a lore
not exclusive to hololive
>idol outfits
not exclusive to hololive
>singing idol songs on concerts
not exclusive to hololive
>literally scouting ex-hololives
kson was not a scout. Nazuna might have been, but even then that has nothing to do with them "wanting to be hololive." Nazuna was the #1 viewed streamer on twitch when she debuted. They hired her for money
>need to namedrop and give jabs at Hololive everytime they can
What constitutes "giving jabs" is mostly schizo shit so I'm not going to bother with this one

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>>32310789
>That's true! Honesly I can't find any info on that, but I think that A) no company covers those and B) the extra revenue would make up for it either way. That's speculation though
Those are pretty standard to any entertainment representation contract. I would be shocked if they didn't because they're a cross industry standard (I've had parts of my contract as a salaryman include legal representation similar to how they provide health insurance).
The reality is the appeal is an argument of scale. It is better to pay a flat yearly fee for representation than agreeing to a contract where there's a flat rev split. If you're big enough there's a better monetary incentive to pay $50k a year in flat fees in the event that you outperform, double your revenue and then the company won't eat the same proportion of your revenue.
There's no way Vshojo as a company is just existing off of merch sales and good will. If that were the case they'd be signing on tons of indies. There has to be some balance where smaller indies won't sign with them because it would be more profitable to remain independent, probably because of these fees. If they were truly the charity they are reported to be here all vtubers would be signing onto them instead of going to Any Color or Cover. It probably only makes sense for a minority of indies who can afford it and not to the people who benefit from being able to rent equipment, who can have models provided to them and have more consistent support. And if you're going to argue against that trade off, small indies aren't signing because Vshojo actually does restrict talent freedom either in some direct or abstract way.

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>>32311845
why does it have to be the small indies rejecting vshojo instead of the other way around?

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>>32311845
That's interesting and honestly something I haven't considered. I think it's possible for vshouo to run off merch sales and sponsorships. I come from a background in esports, which almost all run at a negative simply by sucking up venture capitalist funds. They raised $11 million as of march (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/vtubing-talent-agency-vshojo-seed-funding-1235111431/).). Gunrun was also a part of the founding twitch team, so I think he is very wealthy and has good connections. I'm not sure if they're in the red, but they can definitely run without a fee.
I do think your point on indies is fair, but I personally think the situation is more nuanced. I personally think they want to keep the brand more exclusive than rapidly expanding so that they can inflate their new talents (think Holo debuts vs Niji debuts)

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>>32311845
>>32312377 (me)
>>32312293
Honestly this is my point. if Vshoujo is funded primarily by investor money, it's usually better to NOT rapidly expand. They want stronger numbers to give the investors, so a core group of stronger streamers gives better numbers. It will also lead to their new original talents (like nazuna) having better numbers since they are exclusive, which investors love.

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>>32312293
Why don't you understand that it's a company. It's objective is growth and profit.
If you're going to take this to an extreme of why aren't 2 views signing up, why aren't they able to appeal to large indies like Juniper, or Bao, or Onigiri. If Vshojo is some wonder company which only provides support, why aren't they expanding past a couple Hololive rejects who wanted to be grudge hired by them and compete with their old company?
>>32312377
>>32312650
As someone who has almost purely worked at startups, they don't get this kind of funding for the sake of charity. They expect to turn a profit in the future. And providing seed money with companies which are bleeding money is done exactly for rapid expansion to compete with others in the same space. The objective is to corner a market share and they're seemingly struggling to do this. The company was incorporated 2 years ago and has barely expanded beyond the original core set.

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>>32309538
Nyanners had 5k subs at the beginning of this decline and is back up over 4000 again now that she's streaming regularly. Your narrative had nothing to do with reality, it was because she didn't stream between May and June but a couple of times. People don't renew or gift subs while a streamer is inactive (or the trackers are incapable of tracking them unless she is live).

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>>32300787

[Anonymous No.]

The real problem with VShojo isn't that they talk about sex, it's that most of them them are creatively bankrupt lazy assholes who have zero appreciation or respect for their fans. I used to watch Ny*nners before she went AWOL for like half a year, then came back and went on a tirade about how mean people were being about her not streaming and how nobody should expect anything from her because she's really busy living her life so she doesn't have time to push herself to play video games and react to Youtube videos on stream for like 10 hours a week. The general attitude of "fans should be glad for any scraps we throw them, you are owed nothing, get over it incel" seems to be pretty common in VShojo. I have better things to do than listen to millionaires whine about how some of the thousands of simps throwin money at them are being unreasonable and mean because they expect like two streams a week or at least communication about where the fuck you have been when you want to hang out with your boyfriend instead. Completely out of touch. I've since moved on to streamers who actually like streamings and respect their fans.

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>>32312853
again you see every instance of someone not being in vshojo as that person having personally rejected vshojo, instead of not being allowed in for whatever unknown reason
both parties have to agree to this kind of stuff you know, its not a button you press to join

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>>32311338
>Hololive still has an greater variety of content.
Such as?

And keep in mind, Holos love to say that the "only" thing VShojo does is "react content", so make sure it is distinct.

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>>32313012
>8,225
>All-time High Active Subs
>@ February 2022

>3,495
>Current Active Subscriptions
really activates your almonds

[Anonymous No.]

Silvervale has Esex with her Patreon subscribers, talent freedom to be a whore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32313286
really?
HOT!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>32312853
Sure they expect to turn a profit, that doesn't mean they will! Moviepass existed off investor money for like 3 years despite bleeding money. Esports teams are somehow getting BIGGER sponsors despite bleeding money even harder every year. Investors are stupid. Personally, I just believe if they wanted to expand they would. They pretty easily grabbed Nazuna despite michael cat just getting a 5k model and regularly hitting 10k streams on youtube. If they wanted to suck up vshoujo expanded universe members, I fail to see any convincing way they couldn't. A fee just doesn't seem very likely to me

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>>32311338
>>copying the need of a lore
"Need". They literally did the lore thing on their own and have created a gigantic narrative out of it headed by Merryweathery. This literally started from their D&D sessions and them enjoying the idea of creating characters and having some fun with it.
>>idol outfits
That was for VILLS. You'll note they don't rock a lot of idol outfits otherwise because "whores" right anon?
>>singing idol songs on concerts
Bloody Stream is an idol song?
Wind Chimes was an original song Silver and a partner made.
Platinum Disco and Hare Hare Yukai are hardly idol songs. They're anime weeb meme songs (Bloody Stream too)
>>literally scouting ex-hololives
Free agents. You don't get to bitch about this when Hololive fired someone and created work environment conditions such that the other wanted to quit. If you think VShojo wouldn't snatch up free agent Nijis too you're retarded.
>>need to namedrop and give jabs at Hololive everytime they can
Oh yes, they do it all the time fr fr. I just get sick of how often they mention Hololive in every single stream and how much shit talking they do about them. So much shit talking!

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>>32313285
She had her redebut for model rework in Feburary, so she got way more subs than she normally got (roughly 3000 gifted + tons of 1 off subs). All-time is a bad metric because it is usually centered exclusively off an event. Ironmouse isnt a 200k streamer just because of her subathon. Realistically she's down from about ~5k to ~4k despite streaming a lot less, which is normal for a twitch streamer

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>>32313285
That's her height during a weird month for her. Look at the months before and after. She never had close to 8000. She's right about where her average is. She hasn't lost shit.

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>>32313242
So you're saying that it literally makes 0 sense for them to hire any other vtuber on the market? Only the people in Vshojo at the moment are worthy? They can't find any mutual understanding with others and if they can't it has nothing to do with their contract terms?
The conclusion which stems from the least amount of assumptions is that it's a contract issue.
>>32313330
>A fee just doesn't seem very likely to me
This is just so absurdly naïve that it's amazing that Vshojo fanboys think this is real. It's worse that the gachikoi Hololive fans who pretend all of their streamers are pure virgins. It's just like the opposite American version where the company itself is the idol and you're imparting all of the pure do-no-wrong attitude onto something which is fundamentally exploitative by its own existence.

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/ENVTubersOOC/status/1565484045496193024

There's talent freedom all over this clip.

>modded Minecraft with over 200 mods that Holos and (sadly because it keeps them out of the server for now) Nijis would have to get written permissions for each fucking mod before they could play it
>Haruka Karibu, an indie vtuber, interacting with two of the corporate talents, and spontaneously at that, would never happen on a HL stream
>Nazuna exposing Kson for having fake boobs would cause so much drama in HL that the whole damn company would shut down if it weren't burned to the ground by a rabid fan first

Oh and also

>Kson and Nazuna having legit fun together, laughing genuinely, not forced into collabing and being awkward, talking about what they want, doing what they want, and entertaining their audiences.

Why do you hate fun holofags?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32314702
>>32308164

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>>32313970
their auditions were a thing so we'll have to wait and see if they actually hire anyone new
also it doesn't have to be a matter of being "worthy" or not, they don't have an infinite number of staff and they seem to prioritize hiring friends, not just anyone with big numbers

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>>32314781
Nice dead post link bruh. Kson still has haters who are attacking her post Hololive and since joining VShojo? /vt/ still has daily multiple bugmen attacking Kson for everything she does? Kson is unhappy because she has obsessive haters hating on her?

Shocked I am. Shocked.

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>>32315000
There is a reason, to date, that they have not taken on someone in VShojo that the other girls don't like or aren't friends with. One of the core principles the girls want to have is a family like environment with each other. This is why the girls have a veto power for the auditions and can block someone if they don't like them from joining.

Other than Nazuna and maybe Hime, the other girls have all been existing friends or at least friends with one them (mostly a common friendship with Melody) and they have developed friendships with each other since. Veibae was friends with Silver, Mouse, and Nyan before joining. Kson was friends with Mel (and just generally admired by everybody anyway).

A true indie joining that they have no ties to would be an interesting disjoint from the status quo. What is odd is Snuffy, Haruka, Anny, and others having not joined yet even tho at least two of them were part of the audition process.

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>>32315000
you mean the auditions that were canned because of the doxxing catastrophe?

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>>32315770
you mean the auditions that were still on as of April because both Snuffy and Anny were rejected then and made whine posts about it?

Man you rrat peddlers overestimate /vt/'s importance so much it is frightening.

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>>32315957
Thanks for confirming what I just said you braindead motherfucker.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32315957
>>32315703
>>32315000
>Believes these are friends of the talents.
>Believes that the talents have final say.
>Believes these decisions aren't financial decisions.
>>32314702
>Implying that only people in Vshojo have fun
>Believes Kson and Nazuna were having legitimate fun.
>Believes it's a flex that they can playing modded Minecraft because they don't care about crediting, supporting and getting permission from the mod makers (the repeated explanation of the Japanese companies).
>Believes that it's a flex that they had a conversation about breast implants as though that's something fans want to know or get titillated by.
>Doesn't know that Hololive talents make common jokes about padding their chests and shit and I'm pretty sure Kson did this same schtick while working under them.

[Anonymous No.]

>Vshojo is bad because they're whores
>Vshojo is bad because they also want to be like Hololive
So that means Vshojo's behavior is mimicking Hololive... how ironic that Holofags should hate it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32297370
This
>>32300258
This

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>>32317116
Vshojo is bad because of the fans and your inferiority complex. All of the bad decisions their talents make are to appease you retards and your lowbrow desperate sensibilities. Hololive doesn't need to pretend to be something it's not. Vshojo needs to build itself up to represent a bunch of shit when it's only a step up from the cheap pandering of Phase Connect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32297601
Holy eigo.

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>>32316550
vshojo doesn't have to get permissions because they don't have bug schizos shitposting and mass reporting every stream/video because niji had to get permissions but they don't
if they ever do there goes the talent freedom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32317690
I read every "Vshojo" as "Hololive" and your post still made sense kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>32307732
In other words, freedom from having to act like a professional. Fucking of course coomer faggots and internet retards who don't understand the point or value of professionalism would think not having to act like a professional could only be good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32301399
sure you watched champ sure...

[Anonymous No.]

>>32292644
Pink gatita is living the time of her life while also being insecure with her bf.

[Anonymous No.]

>Vshojofags desperately trying to punch up at the big corpos as their own talents have menhera episodes.
You hate to see it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32301177
>Freedom is not an inherent good.
hello zhang

[Anonymous No.]

I don't need a reason to hate vshoujo

[Anonymous No.]

>>32317818
Is that why they have to nuke their VODs every couple of weeks because the twitch defense against copyright is literally "just delete the vod lol"
If twitch actually bothered to have a functioning website every single person streaming would get banned off the platform

[Anonymous No.]

>>32292644
Talent Freedom! That means they're free of talent! haha xd

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>>32321130
Twitch only saves VODs for 2 months, and there's also off-site archives on YT. VShojo doesn't have to deal with permissions because they don't take any of the money earned for streaming the game. That's true of Kson and Nazuna too so they don't have to deal with it either. It's literally just Japanese companies trying to nickel and dime the talents out of something that's not even a very big slice of the income pie that they have this problem. VOMS operates the same way VShojo does in this regard and doesn't have to worry about game perms either.

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>>32292644
They do and they don't. VShojo is a bad example of talent freedom because the corpo doesn't do shit to make the lineup more interesting. Hololive held events like group games, skits, concerts etc. I'm not hearing about a VShojo event utilizing most of the talents. When you hear about TALENT FREEDOM you'd think the talents would be free to become their interesting selves and are given infinite money to hold events with crazy ideas; and theoretically they could; but all we got is CodeKson and she goes back to assembling gunplas. Also, most of their FREEDOM personalities turn out to be uninteresting. Who woulda thunk?
All things said, VShojo's talents still have strong audiences so that's cool for them I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32292644
Talent freedom to make react content, to not stream, to talk shit and lies, to cuck, to being less creative than when restricted, to e-thot...holy shit sure it's freedom and not debauchery?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32309444
Vshojo basically does the VOMs model where the people signed under them get to keep all their Youtube/Twitch revenue but the company gets to keep the majority of merch profits.
Vshojo the company is playing the long game and is betting that their merch venture is successful because merch is where the big bucks are at. For a lot of Holos for example, one merch run makes them more money than a year of superchats.

[Anonymous No.]

It continually amazes me that you retards can talk endless about the same points for months on end.

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>>32316133
>doxxing incident was last October / November
>auditions were still going at least 5 months afterward
>THEY WAS CANCELLED AND SHIT BOYS BY DOXXING INCIDENT
Can't even into basic logic and timelines.

[Anonymous No.]

>dude what if anime girls but... LE VULGAR

[Anonymous No.]

all indie vtubers have creative freedom but i bet you nyanners would be thrown out the window asap if she started going on a racist rant

[Anonymous No.]

>>32313210
That's not so much a VS thing as a deviantArt and Fanfiction.net thing.
Who unfortunately infected everywhere else.
"It's good because it was made".

[Anonymous No.]

>>32324131
Talent freedom doesn't mean the freedom to be retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32324131
Nyan would have it coming, considering all the nasty shit she's said in the past.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32322557
money or no you're supposed to need permission to play the games. saying otherwise is like saying you don't need permission to play copyrighted music because your video isn't monetized by you.
in reality most companies don't give a shit barring nintendo as the big exception, it's free advertising and also difficult to automatically enforce. vshoujo's use of vidyagaems as stream content does not fall under fair use, so they should require permissions.

i'm not saying i really want anyone to require permissions for fucking everything they stream but there's very obvious double standards at play because the culture surrounding the two companies is massively different.

[Anonymous No.]

Talent freedom for vtubers is like speech freedom for 4chan users. It only leads to degeneracy

[Anonymous No.]

>>32292644
>TALENT FREEDOM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=705IIOKCa0M

[Anonymous No.]

>>32327965
Are you chink or nip?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32328091
>They're not whores!
>Literally describes being high and so disconnected from the fact that she was getting fucked that she was imagining the sounds of plunging shit out of a toilet.
This is honestly sad. It's essentially like watching the Soft White Underbelly documentaries on prostitutes or rape victims. Why do you freaks go to this content and glorify their lifestyle?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32313210
So, because Nyanners is entitled, everyone else just has to put up with being slandered along with her?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32292644
>all their promos images are erotic
sheesh

[Anonymous No.]

>>32292644
I still waiting Nazuna to open her OnlyFans just like her senpai before her

[Anonymous No.]

Freedom to live rent free

[Anonymous No.]

>Nazuna enters a Minecraft sevrer with a male
>male says hi
>Nazuna says hi
>male builds something and leaves
>the sky did not fall
Face it, if she had done something like this as Rushia the schizos would have firebombed her fucking house

[Anonymous No.]

>>32292644
it's filled with sluts / whores
like literary
what are you thinking

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>>32328165
both why?
i'll reiterate that i don't want vshojo or anyone else to have to bother actually getting permissions just to stream the games. this was such a non-issue before hololive that when the drama happened with them everyone who wasn't asian was extremely confused.

[Anonymous No.]

Nips don't buy the talent freedom meme:
https://p2y.jp/vshojo-miscalculation-misreading-japanese-listeners-and-fans-of-vtuber-impression-of-mikeneko-amemiya-nazuna/

TLDR: Aside from Kson and Mike being seen as controversial figures joining Vshojo, japanese companies and viewers are wary of Vshojo for its shady legal loophole of "we're not a company I swear! they're all indies!" to avoid japanese copyright laws. Literal black company.

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>>32327965
The double standard exists because of a corpo profiting off of a stream vs an individual. Simple as. The alternative is every single streamer regardless of size having to get permission for every game played.

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>>32335325
lol

"VShojo is not yet fully prepared to deal with the "copyright and permission issues" that the Japanese VTuber industry has already passed through two years ago."

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Well, they must be doing something right to have both Cover and Anycolor trying to sabotage them by threatening any indie or company who wants to collab with Kson not to do it or they will never collab/have sponsorships with them again (with Holo and Niji)
According to Kson an indie friend of hers lost her sponsorship deal due to this, and other companies she has collabed with have been “warned”

[Anonymous No.]

>>32335325
And yet they still collab with said "company"

[Anonymous No.]

>>32303560
boogeymen?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32309523
https://www.asahi.com/sp/ajw/articles/14708469
I'm trying to get ahold of the case itself, because Asahi doesn't name names, but the quotes in the article have been tied to 5chan posts in a prominent Marine anti thread. The person in question has 1,000,000+ Twitter followers, which really limits the pool of plaintiffs.

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>>32292644
I definitely think that "Talent Freedom" is a good idea, generally speaking, but the way VShoujo has gone about making that model a reality has produced a demonstrably inferior product (as anyone can see by watching any stream, really). Talents should have the freedom to do what they want to do, and to cultivate the communities they want, without forceful direction from managers. In my view, this could work well even in a total-freedom company like VShoujo. However, likely because of the prior nature of the talents in question (and the fact that the company is post-hoc), their talents don't really do that. VShoujo talent stream content has been a race to the bottom, with each talent doing as little creative/engaging effort as possible during stream, so as long as they can continue to earn donation revenue. This sort of "Talent Freedom" is not good, as the resulting entertainment is of very poor quality. Even the more wild (i.e., sexualized) Nijisanji EN talents (for example) are much more enjoyable, because nijiEN's corporate and/or cultural limits on low-bar content prevent their talents (who could otherwise slip to VShoujo levels) from degrading further.
The reason a lack of talent freedom is bad is because it limits what talents can do. However, what is done in VShoujo, the company of "Talent Freedom", encompasses a very narrow, limited, and, frankly, dull sweep of content, reaction-type content especially. Imagine VShoujo as a company which requires its talents to be crude and sexual, and do little beyond reaction-type streams on Twitch. Here, there is little "Talent Freedom"—nothing which extends beyond a very limited scope of activities. The example of Kson need not be explicated, but the degradation of content quality in that case is highly evident.

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>>32335325
Ah, I was wondering how they got away with the permissions nonsense. I don't think that makes them a black company, though; they really do treat their talents as more or less independent, with merch being the main focal point of the company (and the main source of corp. revenue). I don't think that VShoujo would have been formed if it would have restricted privileges access for its talents—that would defeat the whole "Talent Freedom" claim.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32297601
Why did onigiri become a vshojo orbiter?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32314702
>ENVTubersOOC
>clips nazuna because the guy is paid by vshitshow to be 95% vsj clips, 5% everyone else

That account is fucking cancer. Went on a tirade after people crapped over a kson clip.

[Anonymous No.]

talent freedom

[Anonymous No.]

>>32303841

no just you

[Anonymous No.]

>>32313210
Yesterday Silvervale at 2.1k viewers, mel at 1.4k viewers, nyanners stayed around 4.3k (had a BF debuff before at 4.6k-4.8k viewers) viewers like for an hour and 40 minutes, mouse at 9.5k viewers she raided connor and most of her viewers overlap with nyanners which is why nyanners currently has 5.6k iewers along with mouse hopping on her channel and sykunno is in the collab with them as well. This pretty much is a dead company that has no interest in growth based on retarded decisions of management.

not a holodag but how is hololive doing in growth or are they around the same as in the vtubers having the same amount of viewers, more viewers, less viewers, new wave of talent? Nijifags can chime in as well.

[Anonymous No.]

I really don't know anything about vshojo.
Have they ever had a sponsored stream?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32346363
every vtuber with more than like 10 viewers has done a sponsored stream

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>>32292644
unironically that "Talent Freedom" is their grave. They can't do anything good or important to make themselfs relevant. can't apologize propertly to their own dramas and just make Vshojo more and more shittier.

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>>32346059
Those numbers are pretty similar to NijiEN's overall—Mel around Iluna level, the others with some more interesting streams etc. (beside the new outfits). Mouse stands out (vs. nijiEN), but she is one of the biggest VTubers anyway so I wouldn't really count it.

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>>32313210
Yeah, streamers are people, they have personal lives which should be respected, I get that, most sane people get that. But streamers are also streamers, who have to act "professionally" (within their "job" of being a VTuber) to their audiences, and VShoujo (some of them, at least) don't get that. What makes the problem more pervasive is that everyone backs each other up when they get called out for this sort of behavior.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32346631
Nah, all vswhores don't have any professionalism. Even can fix their dramas and problems.

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>>32346977
In the sense of being a VTuber as a job, you don't need to be prim and proper in any sense to be professional. Your job is to produce entertaining content for consumption by the general. Some group of people follows you, so you tailor your content to those people. Even if what you do on stream is crude, inappropriate, etc. if that's the content for your audience, you're acting professionally. The professionality of being a VTuber is structural—consistent schedules, good communication, understanding your fan base. In this sense, some VShoujo livers are professional, despite their crudeness; but many are not, and are strangely defensive about having to do above the bare minimum of exertion and being called out for it.

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>>32311831
>Not exclusive to Hololive
But the Hololive is the only company that lives in their head it's all they talk about. They don't even know anything about Nijisanji jp and you expect them to know about other small jp Vtubers? LMAO Vshojo fags are delusional

[Anonymous No.]

>>32313270
Such as
3D Concert (which includes dancing and singing)
Skits both in live 2D and 3D
Karaoke
Gaming
Animated videos
Asmr
Tournaments
Podcast

[Anonymous No.]

I'm thankful to Vshojo for exactly one thing: Nazuna's design.
Never watched her though

[Anonymous No.]

>>32313533
For the last one they do namedrop Hololive a lot even reacting to their clips.
I'm yet to see a any Hololive vtuber taking pot shots at vshojo

[Anonymous No.]

maybe vshojo should disband

[Anonymous No.]

>>32338589
Stop spreading lies you found on this board, just read member post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32332121
>like literary
A literary whore. So, Hester Prynne?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32346631
>But streamers are also streamers, who have to act "professionally" (within their "job" of being a VTuber) to their audiences, and VShoujo (some of them, at least) don't get that
/vt/ gets to dictate to the world what streamer professionalism is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32292722
we're talking about VShojo here, not Kronii

[Anonymous No.]

Wouldn't they be more popular if they streamed on Youtube?
There's no advantage to stream on twitch except for novice streamers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32349142
VShojo has done all of that, anon. If you want to be uppity and say VILLS and the Kizuna Ai concert weren't VShojo works because they were just participants, then fine. The rest though:

>Skits
Not 100% sure I know what you mean by this but Nyanners is a thousand skits by herself. The girls also got together and did a re-enactment / reading of The Room.
>Karaoke
Mouse, Nyan, Froot, Hime.
>Gaming
Got me here. Nobody in VShojo does any gaming ever.
>Animated videos
Merryweathery's videos are getting more and more animated over time.
>ASMR
Nyan, Froot, Mel.
>Tournaments
Only participants so far. They have hosted their own game shows before but that was a while ago. Nyanners has a "Survivor: Minecraft" plan in the works right now.
>Podcast
Lewdcast

Not seeing a shit ton of difference here. I will admit HL does things on a larger scale and with greater focus on certain things. They do love their 3D concerts and the sports tournament thing (because Japanese high schools amirite?). They also do have a greater amount of resources for the animated videos you speak of (tho people profess Marine did hers herself) because they take money from their talents while VShojo doesn't.

VShojo's goal seems to be more about spreading vtubers and vtuber technology to a wider audfience and improving the technology of the girls and streaming in general. The stuff they're doing with Ping, Fugitech, and whatnot are all designed to make the streams run faster / smoother and the girls themselves are constantly pushing riggers into making better models and promoting talents who can increase face / mouth tracking software and such. Most of this is because Gunrun is a massive tech dork.

I don't see a crap ton of differences between the content both groups offer. The difference is in the individual streams and the mandated activities the talents have to participate in. VShojo tried doing those gameshows a bit ago but I don't think the girls were into it so they died off. The girls themselves come up with their own content, so a large tournament is harder to do if they don't all get together and organize it (or tell VShojo they want to do something like that and let VShojo organize it).

[Anonymous No.]

>>32349242
You can literally only name two times anybody in VShojo ever spoke anything that could be perceived as negative towards Hololive: Veibae and the recent Silver article (the latter of which might have been a journalist axe to grind). That's it. Name any other time any other VShojo ever spoke ill of anything Hololive.

If a VShojo mentions a Hololive talent, it is NEVER negative. They admire the Holos. Many of them watch Holo talents and enjoy their streams. This is also a reason a lot of VShojo fans don't speak ill of Hololive talents (we leave that to you guys). Attacking the company and its fanbase are fair game for us, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32351142
YouTube sucks for streaming compared to Twitch. That was true two years ago it is still true now. I know you dorks have some kind of weird lovefest with YouTube but objectively nobody prefers streaming on YT. YouTube has had to poach talents with money from Twitch to convince them to stream on their platform. Twitch moderation tools are better, Twitch integration is better, gaming companies are now making games that incorporate Twitch integration methods (Cult of the Lamb for example), and the relaxed copywright issues of Twitch. The only thing Twitch doesn't have is good VOD storage for long term (and people can just use YT for that) and a retarded and inconsistent TOS system.... which YouTube sometimes makes Twitch look sane on.

So, yeah, there's no fucking reason to stream on YouTube. Okay one reason: Japs don't use Twitch as much and it has a bigger userbase. That's it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32351142
Ever wonder why vshojos are called whores on /vt/?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32352040
/vt/ is full of incels?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32352040
Wouldn't they be more popular if they streamed on Pornhub?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32352516
Melody isn't allowed on Pornhub anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32344235
It's most likely kizuna, all the pregnancy rrats will devalue her NFT nonsense so her company is being aggressive

[Anonymous No.]

>>32336630
>every single streamer regardless of size having to get permission for every game played.
yes that is exactly what's supposed to happen, minus fair use exceptions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32354602
>bronny so salty his whores need to have permissions for games, he went full corporate shilling.
btw, nta, I just read your posts and boy, it was funny

[Anonymous No.]

>>32354929
>say fact
>get called holobrony
i don't even watch hololive anymore, haven't for quite some time now, but permissions arc was a shitstorm that happened almost entirely because of 2channel salt. if it wasn't for that hololive would probably continue streaming games without permission.
if you want a western example pewdiepie also flew by on not getting any permissions but after saying nigger quite a few unrelated videos got removed as a result.

i'm not seething about permissions but saying that vshojo is the better company because they choose not to deal with something that they're supposed to deal with legally since they can get away with it is dumb. legally, everyone is supposed to get permissions because livestreaming gameplay does not count under fair use. furthermore in spite of it being legally correct i have never said i actually care for any company or individual having to get permissions just to stream fucking games.

everyone is /supposed/ to get permissions, big or small, and it's very obvious double standards if this is applied to one company and not the other. vshojo gets away with not doing it because they don't have bugmen and english audiences don't give a shit about permissions. feel free to baitpost with some wojack next.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32301177
>uses 4chan a website made for total freedom
>thinks people who aren't morally or mentally capable of using freedom for productive ends shouldn't have freedom
>uses 4chan

topkek

[Anonymous No.]

VshojoJP was a mistake
It would be better for them if thy cut off JP branch now.

[Anonymous No.]

VShojo is bad.
Marine is good.
Hololive is best.
Enough said.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32356722
You will not deny me Pettan you faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>32296853
>Does that make your content better than Hololive's?
Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32356639
this is the pippa fan dilemma
they only like her because she doesn't follow the rules that they (and she) thinks every other vtuber should follow

[Anonymous No.]

>>32297789
>Redditbars

[Anonymous No.]

>>32298477
Playing pirated anime on stream or games they don't ask permissions for is talent freedom?
The big corporate hammer is going to come down on that one day if they want to be in the JP side of the pond at least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32355592
Vshojo gets away with it cause Gunrun takes no profit from stream activity, therefore vshojo members are lowkey indies, unlike Yagoo who takes half of monetization and ad revenue, that's why they need permissions, cause Cover profiting directly from games holos play on stream.
Also blank streaming permissions are a thing, and unlike retarded Japanese copyright policy, western devs know that streamers are literally free advertisement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32358749
>pirated anime
Never happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32310139
There is no way Vshojo as a company can live on only the merch if they are the ones to open the wallet for new outfits / model upgrades / 3D etc

Either its something specific for Kson alone or she wasn't being entirely honest about it...

[Anonymous No.]

>>32309538
what site is that where you can see twitch subs amount?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32360049
>they are the ones to open the wallet for new outfits / model upgrades / 3D etc
Once again it astounds me how much /vt/ knows nothing about VShojo, but will do everything it can to hate them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32360049
Anon, Vshojo is an ad for twitch so they don't need to be in surplus. Worry about vshojos after twitch abandons the vtuber business

[Anonymous No.]

>>32360049
They are not the ones that open the wallet for outfits and such, though. This is also partly why they do not take new people (instead they only take already existing ones) that requires that kind of assistance, since they cannot provide it.

The company just does three works: merch, and 100% the profit of it is for themselves, and offering technical assistance since the owner is a tech chad that is actively looking to improve the technical aspect of the industry (rigging, stability, etc), and a group so they can all act as group whichever they wish and support each other if needed (more flexibility with mods, etc).

[Anonymous No.]

>>32351436
>compared to Twitch
They both suck and they're in a race to the bottom. Youtube is marginally better than Twitch at the moment since the schizo moderators at Twitch have gone full Metsuke on emotes while simultaneously allowing hot tub and thinly veiled softcore porn streamers to exist.

On top of that, they don't really like Vtubers and are always looking for an excuse to ban them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32360593
It does more than that, but a lot of the extra stuff they do is on a per need basis. If the girls want support in some way from VShojo, they have to ask for it. The company doesn't force anything on them because it literally can't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32360593
Thanks for the info, I did not know all that

>>32360223
>"if"

[Anonymous No.]

>>32360766
>Twitch doesn't like vtubers
>even tho right now they're doing a company wide vtuber promotion
>Meanwhile Susan....>>32360786

[Anonymous No.]

>>32360896
And how many of those "vtubers" are just thots without rigs?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32360814
Changes nothing. If you knew even the basics about VShojo you wouldn't have even speculated that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32360912
I don't know anon. Go look for yourself instead of making asinine comments that demonstrate you know nothing about a subject but still shit on it anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32296686
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzS8XM8TIk4

[Anonymous No.]

>>32360971
thinking /vt/ is rational and never speaks without knowing all facts or taking in both sides

[Anonymous No.]

>>32345288
shes joining

[Anonymous No.]

>hololive: wholesome but surprisingly lewd
>vshojo: lewd but surprisingly wholesome

[Anonymous No.]

>>32360223
>>32360593
Thank you Nyanners/Mowtendoo

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>>32351295
ONLY two times. ONLY?

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>>32345420
Wait, that post is correct and extremely based, what's the issue with it?
Hell, vtubers themselves have brought up this shit before, especially when they get messages saying "don't collab with x" and it turns out that "x" is one of their best friends.

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Shinsougumi is true freedom.
Vshojo is merely a backward compatibility of Shinsougumi.
In every respect of freedom, radicalism, entertainment, and cuteness.

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>>32292644
"Freedom" from the mouth of women is "I'm not like other girls" but she couldn't point out why she's special. Basically attention whoring

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>>32365405
well its your average twitch thot but with L2D avatars basically

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>>32292644
What was that point?

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>>32314702
i wonder why this guy still has a Hololive pfp and Hololive as the first word on its bio when he doesn't parctically ever clip Hololive anymore

must have something to do with how better than Hololive the other companies are but i fail to grasp it

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>>32344235
5ch Vtuber drama is wild lel

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>>32365405
There is JP vtuber group "深層組 (sinsogumi)" that has the same business style as Vshojo.
They often go fishing IRL for squid or talk shit about Hololive.

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>>32314702
Meds quick before its too late

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>>32360593
I mean they don't have contracts with anyone in-house to get a model made but they can probably contact an artist and rigger for any prospective new talent. Personally I've long suspected that they loaned Froot the money for the rigging on her first model since it's fairly high end, especially for when it debuted and she was basically a nobody before joining. But all I have to base that on is "it makes sense"

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>>32292644
Reminder that TALENT FREEDOM is an excuse for management to deflect talent yabs.

How about that Silvervale article by the way?

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>>32306192
She really thought vshitshow would save her career and stop the china shit as well.

Instead she fell for the talent freedom meme and hasn't done anything new nor increased her audience. Huge mistake betraying your fans and her supported indies to join the Melody clique.

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Streaming for Hololive does seem pretty rough. You can only play from a pre-approved set of videogames, most of which are terrible. You can't do any other kind of stream without management approval first. You can't show videos or images on stream without having them pre-approved first. They can't even play something as innocuous as Geoguessr out of fear of copyrighted imagery showing up.

Vesper doing an ancient meme review while not even being allowed to show the memes on stream really threw into sharp relief how Cover streamers are streaming with one hand tied behind their back.

Between getting all her projects cancelled, being asked to tone down her humor, and these kinds of restrictions, I really don't blame Kson for quitting at all.

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>>32377333
but what about blue dorito? blue dorito is very important!!!

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>>32292722

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Man I just want a Melody/Kson collab on chaturbate. Is that too much to ask?

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>>32378631
>he doesn't know

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>>32292722
OH NO NO NO DON'T LOOK HOLOBROS, IT'S BURNING MY EYES, DON'T LOOK

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>>32378666
I don't.

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>>32378631
They did, but it was just a meme review, but with porn memes. It was pretty boring imo and nothing that they couldn't have done in twitch with censors.

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>>32379759
Were they both naked?

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>>32379954
Melody was using her nude 2d model but kept it hidden from the neck down most of the time. Trust me, you didn't miss anything good.

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>>32380206
Needs a QoS edit.

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>>32352645
>Even Pornhub considers Vshojo a black company.

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>>32352645
Why not?

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>>32362365
Yeah. Two times, one questionable and one before the talent was even in VShojo. Also both of them were right.

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>>32380841
Her videos were getting removed for being "unconsensual" or something

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>>32385365
I've seen a pornhub couple have to have an intro to their video where she gives consent because they get a little rough later on
Pornhub has fucking lost it to twitter trannies

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>>32292644
Remember that one stream where Haachama had call in speed dating by fans with avatars? That was a pretty cool stream. So what's this about talent freedom?

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>>32386489
It's about legal liabilities. Nothing kills a business faster than having feds and penalties up the ass. Also the same reason why they purged a bunch of stuff when ppl found out they were hosting underage revenge and real rape stuff.

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>>32292722
So do you avoid porn?

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>>32374530
Yeah what about it?
Silvers still friends with ame, mori, ollie etc
Vshojo didn't grt blacklisted from nijisanji or hololive either
And the journalist confirmed he added his own narrative
Besides holofags seething nothing really changed

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>>32388749
That Silver is unhealthily stupid to not read the article before it getting published if we are to believe it was the journalist fault

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>>32300953
this, both men and women are happier when women have less freedom
it's just the way things ought to be

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>>32388246

Haachama is definitely the Holomem with the most Vshoujo-adjacent variety content, but she seems to be the type to do things impulsively and ask for forgiveness, instead of asking for permission.

Haachama has mentioned several times that management shut her down after doing unsanctioned streams.

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>>32345546
equating discord groomers with lolicons, new low. While lolicons are herbivores either by choice or necessity, discordgroomers want to tap that real boipucci and flame about lolicons on twitter to avoid suspicion.
Tale as old as time.
Like the "feminist allies" who are abusing their wife or girlfriend whenever nobody is looking.

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>>32350765
>>32346631
I drag my ass off to work for 8 hours 5 days a week to keep the lights running in the public sector, I'd expect some professionalism and engagement from anyone I want to support. I couldn't reconcile any other stance with my own set of virtues and ethics.
They should feel lucky they get this opportunity while others have to work in unsanitary, or worse, hazardous environments and have to ruin their bodies.

The fact I'm a minority with this stance is both saddening and exemplary of the decadence of the west.

Nah, I'm probably just an "entitled viewer", whatever that means.