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What is /asp/?

A thread for aspiring vtubers! Whether your goal is to make the journey as an independent streamer or to gain experience and build a portfolio for agency auditions. Let's help each other grow and make it. Indies are welcome to selfpost, but shill responsibly. Share your knowledge, insights, feedback, discuss what has worked and what hasn't worked for you. And always remember to do your research before posting personally identifying information. That includes babi sex both in this thread and in your audition applications to agencies.

FAQ:
>Do I need a fully rigged model to be a vtuber?
Nope! You can get started as a simple .png character!

>I want to learn how to rig Live2D models, where do I go?
Brian Tsui (of Iron Vertex), Kira Omori and the official Live2D YouTube channels have many tutorials available.

>Whjavascript:;ere can I find artists/riggers?
vtuber.gg, ArtStation, DeviantArt, Twitter, Reddit, Skeb.jp, etc.

>I just want to get started, can I buy pre-made models?
Yes! Live2D models can be purchased off nizima.com (Live2D's official marketplace) or booth.pm (general Japanese indie artist website). Be sure to check compatibility with your facial tracking software!

>Where can I learn how to digital market myself?
https://learndigital.withgoogle.com/digitalgarage

>Where can I find some good games to stream?
https://twitchtracker.com/games
https://sullygnome.com/

>Twitch or YouTube?
The general rule of thumb is Twitch if your content is primarily based on livestreaming and YouTube if your content is primarily pre-recorded and edited.

>Do you think there's an audience for X, Y, Z content?
First, ask yourself if you would watch a streamer of your skill and experience. Second, do a check on social media and look to see if other streamers are already creating similar content. Don't limit yourself to vtubers, include traditional real life streamers to scope out a potential audience.

Pastebin Guides and Resources:

General: https://pastebin.com/AJLkFrGK
OpSec Guide: https://pastebin.com/uALiNZC
Twitter Networking: https://controlc.com/9eba2fbc
"avoid doing this shit": https://pastebin.com/vbp6qEdt
Social media branding: https://pastebin.com/jVERSLqG
Take with a grain of salt Parasocial Guide: https://pastebin.com/zmpCResg


Hololive auditions are permanently open!
https://en.hololive.tv/audition

Phase connect auditions are now open!
https://phase-connect.com/auditions/

Stay grounded, stay hopeful

Previous Thread: >>33272249

>> No.33368754

Babi hate! you will never make it!
kys and stop trying!

>> No.33368864
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJNWlMiL1zM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkM85LyZ7UU

Have you ever Seen something that only made sense to you a long while after (You) tried it?

>> No.33368939

thank you cute vtuber linker anon. i never expected to find anything interesting here but ended up finding a new favorite

>> No.33368988 [SPOILER] 

>>33368754
hate me harder daddy! hatsexsexsex!

>> No.33369150
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33369150

>>33368939
Sometimes, the Void exists to remain as a constant for those who need to learn.

I'm graduating from self-shilling, especially on /vt/.
Be well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPYYHTjw-fY

>> No.33369438

I want to try Vtubing (male here) but I think my strength lies in ASMR, improv and writing. I've had many compliments by people on my voice, it's deep but not booming, more like a smooth husky tone. I'm good at improvisation thanks to drama lessons as a kid which makes me a naturally good speaker.

Tell me if I'm being too autistic. Here's my plan:
>Start YouTube ASMR channel specialising in roleplays for girls with a slightly anime aesthetic example would be https://youtu.be/96F7kulpohQ (if you check his paywall site, he earns ~$100,000 a month). A mixture of SFW and NSFW.
>Build up a reasonable audience over a few months up to a year
> Use the money from the ASMR channel to fund Vtubing art, rigging and equipment
>Use the pre-established audience to start streaming with at least a few viewers for live ASMR streams
>Expand from that point into variety content

>> No.33369479

>>33369150
sometimes a single shill post can be enough

>> No.33369631

>>33368754
Ogey

>> No.33369812

>>33369438
the plan seems good but i feel by the time you get a vtuber rig set up that all your audience from the asmr videos wont want variety content since they just came for the asmr videos so it might be hard to switch from one content style to another

>> No.33370072

>>33369812
Mm, this part worries me. I know there will be less than 5% (probably more like 2-3%) of the YouTube audience wanting to change platforms to twitch and even less who want something that isn't ASMR.

Guess I should have mentioned I would steam on Twitch and not YouTube. I don't want to spam people with livestreams they don't want.

>> No.33370155

>>33369812
Maybe instead of posting the variety content on your ASMR channel, set up a second channel centred around variety and make one (1) video redirecting your audience to it if they want to watch.

This last part is optional, but uploading on both channels is a good way to satisfy both audiences, albeit more time-consuming.

>> No.33370281

>>33370155
that could work honestly and i do think thats the better idea if you think you can keep up with making asmr videos while also making variety content

>> No.33370487

>>33369479
less is more, especially with those that matter to you. idioms and stuff exist for ppl to figure stuff out in their own time, even if the lesson is nothing new.

>> No.33370673

>>33370155
OP here.

I agree. It's my intention to stream on Twitch and keep the YouTube Channel seperate other than a single video which mentions that I now stream on Twitch when the times come.

But thanks for the reply. I'm happy that my plan isn't retarted

>> No.33370749

>>33369438
Know that 99% of the replies you will get will be from sexually insecure and envious male (!not-chuubas, tho the only requirement to be considered one is downloading OBS.)

and ask yourself if you can handle potential deranged sexual stalkers. that's all really.

>> No.33370888

babis should die?
they’ll never make it!
i’m only doing this so that they force themselves further into their stupidity as a gotcha!

>> No.33370997

>>33369438
I do something similar, what you should do is deticated YouTube to your ASMR and some extras on the side, but also stream ASMR to twitch. Upload YouTube asmr after your ASMR streams and the turnover will be pretty good. I also stream different games outside the specific days I do ASMR and so far it's working well.

>> No.33371148

>>33370072
>>33370673
>>33370155(me)
>Guess I should have mentioned I would steam on Twitch and not YouTube.

Ah I was thinking two YT channels. I forgot about streaming to Twitch at the same time lol.
You could still do it, though. Sticking to a schedule where ASMR gets 2 streams a week while variety only gets 1.
Then you upload an edited ASMR video to YT while the full VOD is an unlisted video in the description.
And on the variety YT channel, just export the raw VOD, since the main focus would be on the ASMR content.

>> No.33371215

>>33370749
>and ask yourself if you can handle potential deranged sexual stalkers

Would you believe me if I said I'm a tripfag on another board and I already deal with this? It doesn't bother me that much. I've learnt some valuable opsec lessons from here.

>>33370997
Huh, never thought about doing that. I guess that could work as bonus content to encourage more people to view the stream. But I'd like to be able to produce high quality semi-scripted content first.

>> No.33373039

I'm too soft for this

>> No.33373246

>>33373039
What’s got you frazzled, Anon?

>> No.33373644

>>33373246
It's that time of the month

>> No.33374268

>>33373644
Don’t worry, Mercury Retrograde ends the Saturday after next.

>> No.33375604

>>33374268
I just get too emotional, more emotional than a man ought to be

>> No.33375793

>>33371215
For sure, give your audience any and all incentive to view your extra content. If you'd like anymore advice feel free to shoot me a message, I'm mirukuma

>> No.33376726

>>33375793
You're a cute bear but your cat is so fluffy.
It would quickly pass you in subscriber count if you made a Youtube channel for your cat.

>> No.33376865

>>33370888
This is true bunzel should kill himself.

>> No.33376922

>>33375793
Thanks, I'll take you up on your offer one day. You have an awesome model.

>> No.33377055

Which babis could be an /asp/‘s imouto or oneechan?

>> No.33377992
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UOOOOOOOH MOTH SEX

>> No.33378586

When's the next /asp/ male sex gonna drop?

>> No.33378847

I want to stream, I have everything set up except a proper model, and I know I can just use a temporary png or buy a premade.
I have a good mic, a good pre-amp, and I have a good personality and genuinely just want to make people happy, in a way I could never make myself.
The only problem is my voice, so I'm not really sure if I feel ready for it, even though I really want it.

>> No.33378883

>>33378847
just go for it! there's no harm in giving it a shot right, and hopefully it'll make you happy!

>> No.33380198

I have a business idea involving starting a small agency. I'm not sure of the full extent of what that entails though and I was wondering what true road blocks exist for independent chuubas, or if this would even be able to get off the ground. So I thought I'd try an informal survey.

If a no-name agency/studio offered try-outs or whatever the fuck theyre called, what would the offer need to look like for you to consider applying? This would be a self funded venture so I'd really like to avoid the high burn rate from salaries of support staff, but fixed cost expenses like software, gear, contracted art, etc. is no problem. Ideally, down the road each vtuber would have a manager, editor, etc. which the agency would also pay for.

For the terms of the deal: the agency owns the character IP (non-negotiable), but you have heavy creative input into the design at the outset and since you will end up defining the character, you can develop the character as you see fit while you grow. You are in charge of the channel with some minor streaming time requirements, and you keep its profits. There would also be some additional work, something like an occasional press junket or voice acting job, for the agency (the profits of which you won't see). In essence, the agency funds your chuubing and in exchange you help make some content for the agency to sell.

The real value, im sure, in joining an agency is the clout and reach of an existing audience. But that is something I obviously wouldn't be able to offer. I have no idea how I would even go about recruiting talent, but if the value proposition doesn't make sense from the chuuba's end then I'll need to rethink some things.

tldr: would you join an agency if they bought you whatever you needed? what terms would be deal-breakers or non-negotiable for you?

>> No.33380259

>>33370072
1% conversion from twitter to Twitch is... an example of an optimistic... outlook... not really sure why you think 5% of people would switch platforms entirely (seriously, the YT audience is NOT the Twitch audience, the conversion is probably practically zero).
You should treat them like different audiences if you are going to diversify the places you post in because they are. Your instagram / Youtube / Twitch audience don't overlap, and even when they do, the likelihood of one person following you on all three seeing an impression of you on all three is lower than them seeing an impression of you on only 1

>> No.33380578

>>33380259
I just look at my own followings. Of the youtubers I like who I also watch the streams of, it's about 5%. I might be an exception.

>> No.33380789

>>33380198
>what terms would be deal-breakers or non-negotiable for you?
>would you join an agency if they bought you whatever you needed?
This wording sounds very scam-like, because most indies who want to go corpo do so for the stability at the expected cost of having very little wiggle room for negotiating deal-breakers, ESPECIALLY if they’re dime-a-dozen streamers who don’t stand out THAT much from whatever competition they may have had to join the company.

You’re pretty much asking “would you slap your sibling for $1 billion” with the added condition “also I’ll buy you whatever weapon you want to slap them with”.

>> No.33380810

How the duck do I get people to see me other than spam shot at all hours of the day?

>> No.33380879

>>33380810
Come on autocorrect…

>> No.33380924

>>33380198
I'd probably not mind most of these but my characters are too important to me that i could let anyone else have it. I'm unique in that regard though, and considering I can do everything else that you offer but I'm not the target audience. I think the biggest problem is that without reach / marketing both the agency and the chuubas will fail. You have outlined terms of service but there's no actual plan for growth / success. If you just want to burn money for fun, that's okay but no matter how many benefits an agency could bring it most likely won't substitute for the kind of reach the big corpos have. You will have a bunch of well managed 2views.

This might be appealing still to other people, I'm sure you'd get applications, what's your endgoal here?

>> No.33381075

Throne is for simps to spend money on women
Not for guys or babis who have no entertainment value

>> No.33381181

What artists for a model do you guys recommend?
I'm willing to pony up 1k+ dollars, without a good model I'll die a 2view
Pngtubers and aspies with a cheap model need not answer

>> No.33381361

>>33381181
So your only measure is how much it cost? My model cost a 100 bux and I'd say it's one of the better 3D models that I've seen. What kind of model do you want? 2D, 3D, male, female and what style? These things matter when looking for an artist. Not to mention the fact the model contributes less to growth than you might think.

>> No.33381419

>>33381181
A good model means jackshit if you're boring as fuck.
See Azu.

>> No.33381666

>>33381361
live2d, female
I'm still thinking what kind of model it should be, but I definitely know it needs to be cute if that tells you anything

>> No.33382347

what headphones do you guys use?

>> No.33382582

>>33380924
To be clear, you keep whatever characters you have, and could stream as them on your own time. The agency would help create a new character IP.

Really great points though, reach is the most valuable thing, but that's what makes it the hardest to get I suppose! I'm fine burning some money even if it fails, seems to me like the idea is worth trying.

End goal is basically a symbiosis between the agency and the streamer. Where the streamer would drive an audience to the products of the agency and vice versa. I see an opportunity to vertically integrate product production with advertising, but imo it'll only be interesting for the first few movers and if some corpo like hololive does it first I'll die a little inside lol, they don't need more money. I suppose their anime thing that they are making is an example of this. Hololive makes the anime, the vtubers star in it, and it's mutually beneficial to both.

>> No.33382592

>>33382347
You don't need specific headphones, just grab headphones with a long enough cable.

>> No.33382685

>>33381419
>>>Azu

>> No.33383331

>>33381666
Premade obviously. Rena uses a premade model and it's better than 90% of the /asp/ies. Also, she's hot, awooga. Christmas cake age. Would make a perfect milk truck.

>> No.33383867
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No mic stream
carmageddon TDR2000
https://www.twitch.tv/francisgrenouille

>> No.33384054

>>33381181
https://twitter.com/Meiguu_

>> No.33385951

Bump

>> No.33385976

>>33381419
Although, I will say- if you have a nice model and a good personality/voice you're definitely going to lap a few self-made models along the way (I would know)

>> No.33386232

Sex with bodysuits regardless of their boring status!

>> No.33387246

>>33376726
its hard to live in cinder's shadow, trust me each day is a struggle. knowing no matter what i do i can never be as cute as the tiny retard that sleeps on my head and screams at me is painful. perhaps someday i will come to terms with her cuteness and just stream nonstop footage of my cat instead.
>>33376922
thank you <33 the offer goes for anyone looking to get into asmr, i've been doing it for like 8 months now so I know a little bit maybe

>> No.33387375

>>33387246
cat cam might be a an interesting compromise, although that doesn't help unless your cat likes to stay put in a special spot where it hangs out a lot.

>> No.33387441

>>33387375
that special place is my dirty laundry unfortunately, which im sure plenty of my audience would enjoy anyways but for different reasons

>> No.33387801

If I want to make a lore/debut teaser trailer, am I dumb? I've got a storyboard and music ready just because I started without really thinking if it's a good idea.

Where would I even post it without being annoying?

>> No.33388072

>>33375793
>>33387246
Do you prefer to be contacted via Twitter or Discord?

>> No.33388114

If I want to make content, am I dumb? Where would I even post it without being annoying?

>> No.33388223
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StreamabIe.

>> No.33388268

>>33388072
My twitter dms are off unless we're mutuals (too many weiners D:) dm me on discord

>> No.33388295

>>33388114
:(

>> No.33388370

>>33388268
Sorry I am stupid and have autism my tag is miruuu#3591 lmao

>> No.33388385

>>33388114
>>33388114
YouTube, or Twitch/Twitter if you want 4 years of /asp/ instead of 2. No one will care enough to find you legitimately annoying besides yourself.l either way.

>> No.33388443

>>33388114
>>33388385 here, also consider simulcasting to both or even BiliBili subbed etc if you're going pro.*

Fuck Off :(

>> No.33388533

>>33388385
>No one will care enough to find you legitimately annoying besides yourself.l either way.
I've learned this over years of artposting
Unless you're an absolute lolcow, nobody fucking cares about what you're doing, everybody is ignoring you so there is no reason to be nervous about anything.

>> No.33389214

Babis deserve the failure they find

>> No.33389422

Do you guys think a mix of a hoodie and latex/leather underneath it poking out would be a good outfit?

>> No.33389894

https://www.twitch.tv/maplemelodyvt
celebrating affiliate in 1 minute!!!!!

>> No.33390138

>>33389214
Fuck off

>> No.33390682

>>33389894
>Celebrating a participation trophy

>> No.33390768

>>33389214
What if I killed myself? I am brittle

>> No.33390999

>>33389894
>Celebrating
>Just playing hollow knight again
Maple you do realize there are better ways to hyps your audience up... Right?

>> No.33394235

Don't worry /asp/, I'm here to bump the thread from page 10 instead of masturbating to Maple

>> No.33394555

>>33389214
We get it Nekuma

>> No.33394620

>>33389214
Get blocked Taffy

>> No.33395799
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33395799

I'm on the verge of giving up hope fellas.
>hearing myself makes me cringe
>friends say I'm unfunny every time I bring it up
>literally 0 views every time I've streamed for the past year
I want it to work but every time I think about it not working, I get huge anxiety.

>> No.33396214

>>33395799
ok

>> No.33396725
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WE DOIN' NUMBERS BOYS WE'RE GMI

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>>33396725

>> No.33398226
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>>33396725
I always hated math, but suddenly numbers are making me happy...

>> No.33398538

babis be like I didn’t get more than 0 viewers how do I incline?

>> No.33398581

I must /asp/ you a question
What is the best way to develop a kemono design?
Not furry, but kemono. Somewhat different aesthetics.

>> No.33398707

>>33398538
By seeing what works and capitalize on it
Also do what everyone else does: keep a consistent schedule, sillies.

>> No.33398970

>>33378586
Jignx debut.

>> No.33398973

>>33398538
Every currently active babi has at least 5 viewers, you're confusing babis and males

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>>33383331
renacuck spotted

>> No.33399077

>>33398973
5 other babis watching isn’t 5 viewers sorry buddy even males aren’t that bad usually

>> No.33399194

MOTH SEX!
SEX WITH MOTH!

>> No.33399343

>>33398973
>every currently active babi
Except for Azu, he’s only 2.

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>>33398581
First study different kemono artists works to see what their designs are. You'll notice unlike western furries kemono doesn't go crazy with vomitting colors on the design and doesn't make them look like Disney ripoffs. You get the anime aesthetics with anthropomorphized characters. The artist of picrel did a VTuber design https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8J-C_if1oaikdQfQ4VFQUQ

>> No.33399398

>>33399343
How do we save azu?

>> No.33399563

>>33399398
Make him stop working in IT and move to carpentry or something

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visagecord officially dead

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https://discord.gg/6KvQvEyM
https://discord.gg/6KvQvEyM
https://discord.gg/6KvQvEyM
https://discord.gg/6KvQvEyM

aspcord

>> No.33399978

>>33399765
Everyone just moved on to their own little cliques on their own servers.

>> No.33399987

>>33399765
how bustling is lancecord?
is it too locked to share screenshots?

>> No.33400009

All males and babis deserve to fail and quit this gig and return to being viewers

>> No.33400294

>>33399563
How will making him change professions help him?

>> No.33400392

>>33399389
Thanks!
I wonder how fur color patterns and colors generally works for kemono… that is currently kicking my butt.

>> No.33400604

>>33400294
His problem is he's boring.
He literally got all of his soul sucked out by the industry, get him a job that can give him enough stories that don't revolve about some idiot creating a stack overflow or some shit like that

>> No.33401046

>>33399987
lancecord vc gets used every so often

>> No.33402175

>>33399948
konrad sex

>> No.33402785

It's nearly Monday, how do I become mentally stable? I want to skip menhera Mondays

>> No.33402876

>>33402785
It's still sad saturday, you'll have to wait until stable sundays to ask that

>> No.33402907

>>33402785
You can't, let it out.
Or get a friend/partner.

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33403436

>>33402175

>> No.33403441

>>33402785
get a friend to talk about it

>> No.33404100

>>33402907
>>33403441
I don't want to burden current and hypothetical friends, they won't be my friends for long if I don't improve my frame of mind
Right now I'm eating more ice cream than Visage

>>33402876
Shit

>> No.33404171

>>33404100
>I don't want to burden current and hypothetical friends
What makes you think you'll be a burden?

>> No.33404334

>>33404100
Dm eraxs, he can help ya out

>> No.33404364

>>33399072
hows the streams going kitsune? keeping up the tranny voice well?

>> No.33404575
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Maidzu

>> No.33404611

>>33404100
>>33404334
Sure why not - literally me, eraxs

>> No.33404889

>>33401046
perfect so that when evidence is asked for none exists!

>> No.33406057

>>33400009
If i graduate I will stop viewing. I won't give those females my precious view.

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>>33399948

>> No.33407493

>>33395799
Yeah it sounds like this isn't something that's meant for you.
You actually quite literally sound like the kind of person who would find vtubing, or any entertainment for that matter, totally repulsive.
So why the fuck

>> No.33407640

>>33404364
Based Taffy.

>> No.33408757

>>33369438
Can you post a vocaroo of yourself? I think I have a nice voice too and want to compare.

>> No.33409116

>>33390682
>>33390999
>male does this
>all this negativity

>female does this
>SEXX QUEEN FOUNDER BADGEE
>RAPE
I don't like Maple but you faggots are the worst.

>> No.33409175

>>33408757
Here you go. I woke up only an hour ago so I still have brain fog, forgive the umms, ahhs and likes.

https://voca.ro/1fhtpHlK6Cvi

>> No.33409337

>>33409116
But the "female does this" is really bad

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Cute Elf Elayna continuing Cute Witch Game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPpeNfxg0Bw

>> No.33414072

if you come to /asp/ and treat it like its own thread with culture and ritualposts you're ngmi. ama for actual advice.

>> No.33414854

Is it bad to randomly stream with no advertising prior. Just going and posting it on Twitter? Sometimes I like doing it and seeing who shows. It's comfy

>> No.33415000

>>33414854
Just don't complain if specific people don't show up. Some of us have plans.

>> No.33415083

>>33414854
It's probably not good, I've been soing that though since I can't think of what to play and alway decide last minute.

>> No.33416870

>>33409175
nta, but your voice is nice. Even as a guy, I might listen depending on what the focus is.

>> No.33418413
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33418413

Hey guys gonna play some Fallout New Vegas
It's my favorite game.
https://www.twitch.tv/wizhat_ch

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https://www.twitch.tv/jaydeadthegoat

doing a photo-study from scratch

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