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Why the fuck is nepotism accepted at Hololive? How is everyone ok with it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFnVcyfVcjc

>> No.3652592

A Touhou thread died for this.

>> No.3652624

>>3652592
2021? /vt/? Wake up

>> No.3652631

>>3652580
It's the "ESL don't know what negotiations is" timeloop

>> No.3652636

>>3652580
You mean back when this was a super small company and was nothing more than a hobby group? No shit its just them bringing in their friends?

>> No.3652653

>>3652580
Nepotism produces the best gen so obviously Cover needs more nepotism hired.
If I remember correctly, Pekora was hired due to Miko's recommendation as well.

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>>3652592

>> No.3652661

>>3652580
It's called networking and having connections, you fucking NEET

>> No.3652678

>>3652580
Literally the best girls were all connected somehow. It's accepted because it works and shows results. Gamers are some of the best and most recognizable of the Holos period. By going with known performers you can reduce there chance of getting boring additions that won't go anywhere like Aki, Mel, ect

>> No.3652737

>>3652580
The only people that have actually applied to hololive and got selected by a normal process are

>Watame
>Nene
>Mori
>Ame

The rest got there by connections from people that were already at hololive or got personally scouted, like Ina, Botan or Noel.


Most holos are old friends from their NND days when they were failed streamers or utaites

>> No.3652810

>>3652580
wait, if fubuki and mio are the same age does this mean fubuki is a hag?

>> No.3652857

>>3652580
How many companies have you started?

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>>3652810
How new are you?

>> No.3652882

>>3652580
Gee whiz, why would you choose people who others in your company can vouch for instead of taking a risk that the person you interviewed is an insane chronic liar. Keeping Kiara out of HoloJP is a testament to how effective this kind of recruiting is

>> No.3652900

>>3652810
Yeah she's in her late 40's married and has 3 kids

>> No.3652910

>>3652857
Have never worked in my life

>> No.3652923

Some of the ones that interviewed and were accepted are: Noel, Subaru, Watame, Nenechi (passed after the 4th attempt), Lamy(?).

For EN, Gura/Ina were scouted. I think Mori was scouted too. Not sure about Kiara. Ame was the only literal who.

>> No.3652938

>>3652580
nepotism isn't intrinsically bad
>>3652737
How did Gura and Kiara got in? as far they told, they auditioned like everyone else

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>>3652810
Anon lacks critical information..

>> No.3652970

>>3652938
Gura got scouted, Kiara got trough nepotism, she knew people from inside.

>> No.3652992

>>3652810
Okayu is the only nonhag in Gamers.

>> No.3652997

>>3652910
What a surprise.

>> No.3653020 [DELETED] 

>>3652737
Suisei didn't have a connection or scouted. Then again, she got in through the back door of INNK.

>> No.3653021

>>3652970
>Gura got scouted
did she? I don't recall Gura saying she was scouted when she talked about her audition

>> No.3653045

>>3652658
Underrated pic.

>>3652580
You're thinking of cronyism.

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>>3652910

>> No.3653072

>>3652997
I've been taught nepotism is a mortal sin, is it not?

>> No.3653130

>>3653072
No, but sloth is a mortal sin.

>> No.3653148

>>3653021
Anon, unless you just joined /vt/, you're quite retarded to take for granted anything said here

>> No.3653153

>>3653072
This isn't nepotism. Usually when starting up a new business, you look to those around you before recruiting strangers. This minimizes risk during a company's most vulnerable period.

>> No.3653154

>>3653072
no, not necessarily

>> No.3653174

>>3652737
Luna didn't have any friends in Hololive until she joined

>> No.3653191

>>3653072
If you naively believe what so-called upstanding adult said then yes. But reality don’t work that way

>> No.3653195

>>3653148
>you're quite retarded to take for granted anything said here
but I wasn't taking it for granted, that's why I asked. Now, I am quite retarded indeed but for different reasons

>> No.3653226

>>3653174
luna got in through pure merit.
sugoii runa.

>> No.3653237

>>3653174
luna got scouted from nijisanji

>> No.3653281

>>3652658
Half of these don’t even make any sense.
t. Touhoufag

>> No.3653282

>>3653237
but she still had to audition right?
she didnt really have much going on at nijinsanji after all

>> No.3653300

>>3653195
Aren't we all quite retarded at the end of the day? That's how I see it.

>> No.3653315

>>3653174
Luna and Kiara both have extended history in their fields. Luna's got a reincarnation list longer than a Hispanic kid's name and Kiara's roommate has a history in various Japanese entertainment industries, including idolshit do your fucking archive reps.
They weren't scouted but Cover's not gonna look a gift horse in the mouth.

>> No.3653326

>>3653300
Nah, I'm retarded all day.

>> No.3653432

>>3652580
Networking is literally the backbone of every industry ever. Why take a risk on a complete unknown when a trusted person can vouch for someone?

>> No.3653455

>>3652737
Really makes you think when people talk about "Cover is good at scouting people"

>> No.3653512

>>3652737
subaru got in properly.

>> No.3653520

>>3652580
Chemistry makes collaborations more entertaining. Hiring people you already know isn't inherently bad, when knowing them increases the quality of your product.

>> No.3653550

>>3652580
How does that fit with the lore?

>> No.3653578

>>3652810
Don't be an idiot, Fubuki is 19. She'll celebrate her majority by finally doing a drinking stream this october.

>> No.3653629

>>3652810
of course not. Also, Marine is 17

>> No.3653788

Mio got in through application. She never shared about knowing Fubuki not until she got in. The Gamers lore of Fubuki inviting Mio and inviting Korone and Okayu over after meeting them in an arcade is supposed to be the lore behind the Gamers group. That's it. Korone is actually the one that got in because she was recommended probably by Okayu. She was pretty well known already NND anyways.
I think only Miko, Noel, Korone and Polka got in without being interviewed.

>> No.3653874

>>3652900
with me

>> No.3653940

>>3653788
If someone got in because of influence, it would probably be Reine and Anya. Reine was an okay utaite and Anya was a nobody. She's horrible at streaming and it shows that she's never done it. There's like hundreds of Indie ID vtubers, and you get the least to no experience whatsoever. Hhhmmmm....

>> No.3653992

>>3653315
>do your fucking archive reps
Luna's reincarnations is a overblown meme at this point, which you should know if you actually did your archive reps. And her or Kiara's experiences still have nothing to do with nepotism.

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>>3653520
>Chemistry makes collaborations more entertaining
Chemistry is the key word here. It's probably actually the only thing it's all about. Nijisanji did the same thing with Sasaki, Shiina, Lize, Ange, Nui, etc. who were all part of the same incestuous group on Nico beforehand along with other girls like Korone and Okayu. Calling it nepotism is missing the point entirely, what they're doing instead is absorbing small independent circles who already have experience doing this kind of work together instead of recruiting newbies on an individual basis.

>> No.3654101

>>3652658
A lot of these can be improved cause they’re either off or wrong

>> No.3654104

>>3652938
>nepotism isn't intrinsically bad

it is when jews are involved

>> No.3654137

>>3652580
That's cronyism and its basically how a majority of hiring is done it's why networking is so important just having someone vouch that you aren't a piece of shit is a huge boost to the application process.

>> No.3654149

>>3652658
>Ayame

Made me laugh

>> No.3654839

>>3652678
oi

>> No.3654876

>>3652810
This anon is the newests

>> No.3654926

>>3652810
Flare is somehow the youngest in Bakatare

>> No.3655007

>>3652580
You have to be 18 or over to post here.

>> No.3655115

>>3652658
God ZUNart is arousing

>> No.3655130

>>3652580
Welcome to real life. Career is about connections in the right places.

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I think it helps here more than it hurts. You can't exactly audition talents for how good their chemistry will be with each other. Being part of a good network always demonstrates the ability to be a good networker, it is difficult to show off the former in isolation because why would a good networked not be in a good group? Things like Mori and Takanashi having the potential to be friends probably was a plus, I wouldn't even be surprised if they knew each other beforehand.
>>3652592
「Good。」ZUN LOVE though

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>>3652810
why else did you think she was into shotas?

>> No.3655687

>>3652580
This post was made by an hololive reject.

>> No.3656855

>>3655366
I mean, there's tons of people who were into shota/loli while they were underage and then continued to like it.

>> No.3656868

>>3652923
Ame was brought in by Gura

>> No.3657974

>>3652580
>nepotism gen
>chemistry so good they set the template for future gen interactions
>members acting as a close knit group becomes a huge selling point and brings growth for almost everyone

>> No.3659955

>>3652580
I'm not sure what I'm more surprised of, Mio being the same age as Fubuki (I thought Miosha was 2-3 years older) or the voice disparity between then and now.

>> No.3660041

>>3652737
Missing Subaru, Gura, Kiara, Matsuri, and All of ID (and CN).

>> No.3660110

>>3652580
Boring low IQ schizo rrat garbage like this is why this board is unfunny and can't actually even have any meme. Your unfunny chinky rrat garbage is really fucking forced and some tasteless cretins here actually find it fun. Reddit probably is actually much more creative and less circlejerk'd at this point.

>> No.3662246

>>3660041
Gura Kiara and most on ID were all recommended and given interviews without applying

>> No.3662269

>>3652580
The entire planet works entirely off of nepotism. The sooner you realize this the less angry you'll be. Start networking young zoomer.

>> No.3662324

>>3660110
true my fellow redditor we need to go back there and never look back there's nothing but garbage here

>> No.3662352

>>3652580
Literally the best fucking decision that Cover ever made. Miko may have sparked the flame that got the fire started, but Korone was the workhorse that kept the fire fed and grew it.

>> No.3662493

>>3652938
>How did Gura and Kiara got in?
Not the same anon you replied too, but if you seriously don't understand how either of these two got in, you need to do your archive reps then newfag.

You could not have chosen some of the most obvious two holos that got a much easier in than others.

>> No.3662600

>>3652580
Something tells me: Niijisanji is the exact opposite, which explains their high graduation rate.

>> No.3662645

You retards still dont know what nepotism is

>> No.3666226

>>3652658
>soda
>miko

>coco
>not yatchie

>botan
>fanart pic

>watame
>not doremi

I could dig chammers, luna, gura, kiara and mori thou

>> No.3666320

>>3653940
Yeah it's really obvious with Anya, half the times she's just there

>> No.3666470

>>3653072
Any favorable bias towards family/friends can be considered nepotism/cronyism. There are many degrees of severity between preferring a qualified individual who you personally know (which can have a lot of benefits) and something like Amy Pascal.

>> No.3666498

>>3652923
pretty sure Noel was invited/scouted.

>> No.3666511

>>3652580
It’s worked out fine so I don’t see the problem and why you’re being a little faggot. Remember anons, when you want to comment on shit threads like this but don’t want to bump them, type sage into the options bar

>> No.3666552

this confirm the doxx where fubuki is a hag of the same age as mio

>> No.3666656

>>3662246
Who was Gura recommended by? Coco?

>> No.3666739

>>3666656
probably by enma which is a gamer herself.

>> No.3666762

>>3652923
Literally bullshit. None of EN was scouted.

>> No.3668089

>>3666552
20 something is not hag

>> No.3668132

>>3668089
Are you implying Mio is a 20 something? You're in for a pleasant surprise.

>> No.3668702

>>3652810
Always has been

>> No.3668747 [DELETED] 

>>3668089
Fubuki is more than confirmed to be on her 30’s. Still younger than Mio.

>> No.3668749

It makes sense to recruit other vtubers based on friendships. Makes it much easier to collab

>> No.3668771

nepotism is everywhere, it's a facet of life you have to accept

>> No.3668822

>>3653072
No, it's called scouting out. Fubuki knew talent when she saw it and siezed upon it. Nepotism is getting underqualified people into positions they don't deserve. OkaKoro have a past and Fubuki knew em.

>> No.3668931

>>3653940
Can believe Reine cuz of actually making doxxniggers shit themselves but how Anya maybe need to do some reps on that

>> No.3668939 [DELETED] 

>>3668822
She met them at an arcade. I imagine she eventually found out they where also vtubers and invited both of them. Honestly it’s no wonder Fubuki’s importance is on similar level as Sora. She helped make Hololive popular worldwide and single-handedly formed a power house gen.

>> No.3668951

>>3668822
Kanatan btfo all her "friends" who want to exploit her to get in. Hololive is the only "family" she have now.

>> No.3668999

>>3653072
Nepotism is literally how Jews, Chinese and diaspora success in western world. Dont fall for muh meritocracy or diversity meme. Embrace Nepotism.

>> No.3669055

>>3652580
Don't be naive, nepotism is how almost every business works. It's only really frowned upon in public offices.

>> No.3669076

>>3653072
This is what you need to know:
>>3668999
Now I'm not saying you should hire solely based on race like some are, but if you ever find yourself in the position to hire someone, it is not a bad idea to go through your list of contacts first before you hire someone unproven. They should be competent first and foremost though.

>> No.3669088

>>3668951
Kanata is a good girl. I wouldn't be surprised if her "friends" weren't really good to her to begin with.

>> No.3669504

>>3652580
Cover is Japanese

>> No.3669524

>>3668999
>>3668771
>>3669076
YOU PEOPLE STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK NEPOTISM IS

>> No.3669868

>>3669524
And we don't have to.

>> No.3669889

>>3652580

>omg cancel this how is this acceptable?

how the fuck did /vt/ become woke twitter?

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>>3652580
Don't forget that Sora (first idol) and A-chan (first mod) were literally classmates.
Cover is riddled with corruption and nepotism.

>> No.3669928

>>3653455
Because it's false

>> No.3670042

>>3669926
is this bait? since A-chan helped her to arrange schedule and streaming properties, because Sora is too young at that time

>> No.3670058

>>3652658
>Artia
>Not Hecatia

>> No.3670173

>>3652580
It worked out for everyone didn't it?

>> No.3670199

>>3652580
Nepotism isn't illegal in Japan. That being said even if it was, it's one of those things that's impossible to enforce because it's so easy to bullshit an excuse as to why you hired the person.

>> No.3670696

>>3670199
There are places where it's illegal?

>> No.3670876

There's two versions of that story, either it is 100% true and Sora is just as young as A-Chan or it is actually true but their youth is long gone and Sora has been trying FOR YEARS to get an Idol gig and just recently got the VTuber one and had to get her old tech-savvy school friend A-Chan for help.

It's cute anyways.

>> No.3670901

>>3669926
There's two versions of that story, either it is 100% true and Sora is just as young as A-Chan or it is actually true but their youth is long gone and Sora has been trying FOR YEARS to get an Idol gig and just recently got the VTuber one and had to get her old tech-savvy school friend A-Chan for help.

It's cute anyways.
Better

>> No.3670975

>>3662600
It's no high graduation rate when they have tons of members. In fact, Holopro has a higher rate as they have less members but 11 graduations.

>> No.3671037

>>3670975
If you are counting HoloCN, they don't count. They are called termination. Those girls fucked themselves in the ass. Only real graduation in Hololive is Aloe. Holostars is another department altogether.

>> No.3671077

>>3671037
HoloCN termination was such a shitshow, the girls inmediately backstabbed each other after sperging like crazy for an entire day.

>> No.3671190

>>3652580
Considering Nepotism got them the Gamers and fucking Pekora if what I'm reading is correct than it's honestly a good thing that they should keep going since recommendations via the talents themselves typically means that the person they selected is a good fit for the company.

>> No.3671262

>>3671037
I'm counting termination for both of them. Graduations each have their own reasons after all, but overall they both had termination and graduation.

>> No.3671347

>>3671077
The whole yab was a massive shitshow, and honestly the CN backstabbing each other made it even easier to Cover to completely cut the branch off.
Had FBK not jumped in first and the CN girls stayed docile theres a real chance Cover wouldve bent to the Chinese and the whole western market gets fucked over

>> No.3671355

>>3652580
There's a very fine line between nepotism and "hey I know this guy that's really good at the job and would actually be great at the role"

>> No.3671389

>>3669926
that's an immensely stupid take, since A-chan was Sora's tech support before she joined hololive and continued to be so long for a while before Cover hired her. She more than proved she deserved a job.

>> No.3671498

>>3671262
You cannot count termination because we know for a fact those are just outside of both company's hand. Niji only has Meiro as a termination btw. Hololive has the whole HoloCN and Chitose. People that chooses to leave are the issue here. And as far what matters, that is only Aloe. Even the lowest in SCs, Viewerships, Subscription or overall profitability has not left Hololive. This is what we call as valid turnovers (graduations/resignation) and calculated risks (terminations).

>> No.3673314 [DELETED] 

>>3671190
Then you realize neither where nepotism, but recommendations.

>> No.3673513

>>3671498
No, niji has Meiro and that guy who tried to fuck girls. Those were the two fired. The others were graduated.

> Even the lowest in SCs, Viewerships, Subscription or overall profitability has not left Hololive

Neither on Nijisanji afaik. The one with it don't stream for 2 years but she still is in there. lol

>> No.3677095

>>3652967

As a newfag, where can I find this? Or simply more lurking?

>> No.3677480 [DELETED] 

>>3677095
Depends what you consider a hag, anon.

>> No.3678259

>>3677480
35+ or something? Not too picky desu

>> No.3678537

>>3662269
That's why every aspect of humanity is shit these days. If every industry didn't run on nepotism it'd be better.

>> No.3678610 [DELETED] 

>>3678259
Then you're safe. Also from what I've managed to dig way back they weren't classmates in high school, but rather in college. Fubuki is younger than Mio.

>> No.3678691

>>3678610
Nice. Thanks mate, appreciate it.

>> No.3678701

>>3669076
>Now I'm not saying you should hire solely based on race like some are
why the fuck not

>> No.3678855

>>3662493
I know why they got in you colossal faggot. But they said they auditioned like everybody else, anon claimed thet got scouted when neither Gura or Kiara implied this.

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>>3652737
THANK YOU SUICHAN!!!!!!

>> No.3679191

>>3653432
Networking and experience in the field is required, everything else is luck

>> No.3679523

>>3666511
スレを下げる

>> No.3679658

>>3669926
The good old days

>> No.3680058

>>3678701
Hiring based on race is ok, but take experience in the field into account too.

>> No.3680484

>>3652658
I know next to nothing about 2hu. Are any of these accurate?

>> No.3682005

Tell me one or two hideous things about fubuki
She's gotta be hiding something really nasty, no one's that clean

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>>3682005
she is anti vax

>> No.3682369

>>3656868
I've seen this suggested a lot but besides them following each other on Twitter there's nothing to suggest they were good friends pre hololive.

>> No.3682437

Literally every hololive member before Gen 4 was recruited through nepotism.

>> No.3682544

>>3652580
t. never held a job
If you don't know people or are not a genius you're probably fucked.

>> No.3682556

>>3653072
It is not

>> No.3682576

>>3652967
are you trying to tell me Botan isn't an actual Lion and Luna isn't 0 years old? Fuck outta here

>> No.3682582

>>3653072
I'd rather hire a qualified acquaintance than a qualified rando

>> No.3682890

>>3652580
Nepotism is only bad when undeserving people take a spot. There's not a single holo that benefited from nepotism that doesn't deserve to be there.

>> No.3682941

>>3682005
Crippling gacha addiction.

>> No.3683266

>>3682005
She's a lot more casual in her members-only streams, but since her early success got her slotted into the corporate shill slot, she's very careful with her appearance.

>> No.3683409 [DELETED] 

>>3652580
>ctrl+f "holostar"
>1 but not related to the topic
Holy shit, not once of you realized that the entire homostar is the peak of nepotism. Moreover they are protected by Yagoo personally.

>> No.3683434

>>3683409
Weren't the holostars more popular than all the girls on NND lol?

>> No.3683615

>>3652631
>ESL
ITs fun how newfags keep using this buzzword as an insult.

>> No.3683627

>>3683266
she tone down the shota shit a lot

>> No.3683721

>>3671347
>Had FBK not jumped in first and the CN girls stayed docile
I thought all of that happened because of Coco reading youtube analytics on stream, what has fubuki to do in all of that?

>> No.3683830

>>3683721
She was the first Holo openly associating with Coco during their suspension when she tweeted she visited them for a takoyaki party.

>> No.3684445

>>3683721
>I thought all of that happened because of Coco reading youtube analytics on stream, what has fubuki to do in all of that?
when that shitshow began, the chink translators on her bilibili channel made fubuki choose between chink pandering or staying with coco and losing her biggest income font. Turns out fubuki didn't even bother to answer, she nuked her bilibili channel and said on twitter that she'd go eat breakfast with coco next morning

>> No.3684476

>>3684445
Based FubuKING.

>> No.3684525

>>3652580
Without nepotism we would not have a functioning society you fucking retard. You are obviously going to give spots to people you already know and trust. Holy shit people are such retarded faggots now

>> No.3686880

I don't watch FBK, but I thank her every day for bringing me my oshi and her wife.
>>3684445
Truly a pillar of Hololive.

>> No.3687046

>Nepotism
That explains Gura's rigging incident

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>>3654104
So it's ok in this context

>> No.3688392

Before 4thgen Hololive was a nobody company everywhere outside of china and aqua so I can't really consider it nepotism

>> No.3688573

>>3652580
Nepotism is common and accepted in every company.

>> No.3688613

They literally started a new company up from scratch, Why do you think getting friends from NND is a bad thing?

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>>3652580
Nepotism in the private sector = good
Nepotism in the public sector = bad
Simple as

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>>3652658
>My Holo Oshi is my Touhou waifu
What does this mean?

>> No.3690387 [DELETED] 
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3690387

>Nepotism in the private sector = good
>Nepotism in the public sector = bad
>Simple as

>> No.3691800

>>3652580
>Why the fuck is nepotism accepted at Hololive?

Want to know how I know you've never worked in a corporate job?

>> No.3691853

>>3671347
>>3684445
Fubuki is absolutely fucking based

>> No.3692104

>>3652580
I would have thought fbk was like 5-8 years younger than mio

>> No.3692240

>>3683721
BASED like KING

>> No.3692326

>>3684525
WHY DO YOU RETARDS NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT NEPOTISM IS

>> No.3692569

Does Yagoo personally scout all these girls himself? How can one man consistently strike gold so many times?

>> No.3692833

>>3692569
That was the risk with the ENs and the first generations (mostly 1st and 2nd). The other girls already knew each other in some way so that might have helped, and a lot of them (if not almost all) have previous internet experience.

>> No.3693031

>>3652580
Unironically it has worked out for Cover, that's how we get great dynamics like OkaKoro, FubuMio, Flare-Noel, etc. as opposed to other agencies where bullying is rampant...

>> No.3693145

>>3682005
She hates the Chinese

>> No.3694000

>>3693145
He said hideous things.

>> No.3695882

>>3694000
Hate Chinese is a sin

>> No.3696075

>>3695882
who say that? another chinese?
fuck those yellow niggers

>> No.3700802

>>3652580
Nepotism is based

>> No.3702069

>>3652910
Dangerously based. Here's to you having chicken tendies for life

>> No.3702634

Nepotism is only bad if it lets in incompetents. That's why it has such a bad rep, because if there's one thing all capitalistic societies hate above all else, it's incompetence and hypocrisy.
If you're competent in your job, you got through people you know, it's called "connections".

>> No.3703805

>>3682890
Towa.

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>>3702634
>because if there's one thing all capitalistic societies hate above all else, it's incompetence and hypocrisy.

>> No.3706341

>>3688939
actually accurate

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