/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Why did Kronii, Bae, and Ame stop collabing with the homos?

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Numbers

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One can't pay bills by owning the haters alone.

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Realized their fans don't want to see that probably

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>>37371961
Good, do you think they learned is not a great idea to do it again?

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>>37371915
This.
I mean, look at Subaru and Miko.
They become more popular and successful after they stop collab-ing with male.

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I know it's a bait thread but it is a question I've been curious about. I know Mori did a watchalong and something else but outside of that they all just completely stopped. Did they get the pettiness out of their systems? Did management step in? I highly doubt it unless it was from the JP side. I am curious.

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>>37372010
Remember the monday meeting?
No need to thank me.

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>>37371869
They will collab again but the spam hurt the branch a lot. People shit on #’s but it was painfully obvious how much lower streams are getting viewer wise. And yeah it did seem as a “imma do it to prove my audience can’t force me not to” move for a lot of them

Tempus was a mistake if only because Unity between fans and the girls were completely broken.

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>>37372010
>vt claims that male collabs are gonna be the norm and they'll become ninji en
>chuba says that's not gonna happen and that collabs won't happen much
>thing chuba said is true
>vt confused as to why they aren't spamming male collabs

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>>37372120
so why do those trannies want to push male collabs so much?, what's their intention?

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Why do mods encourage this type of low quality shit threads by keeping them alive for as long as possible?

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>>37372114
This was basically my only problem with it. Ame saying "well you're just gonna get ignored from now on" when talking about people who didn't like tempus collabs. Kronii getting an official cover account to remind people not to harass talents after doing a 180 on her collab stance out of nowhere (implying she assumed her own fans were going to harass her). I don't need them to pretend we're friends or dating or whatever, but at least pretend you don't hate me. Dropped mori and ina for the same reason.

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got fucking played by mori kek

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>>37371869
Sliding into irrelevance probably spooked them. Not to mention, the boys are already declining.

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>>37372498
I love when we are close to happy endings.

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I have a feeling that that the rush to support the homos was give them a leg to stand on. Much as I prefer the JP stars do that, most of the EN can't speak Japanese, they have no Gen to get support from. Now that they've established themselves the training wheels are off. I doubt this means the end of the collabs entirely, but scaling them back is a possibility. I guess time will tell.

Doesn't make Ame or Kronii any less of a bitch going about it. Pissing their pants and sperging over a handful of people. Bae had the perfect approach and even Mori as well.

Lesson to EN Productions is this: Next Homo gen you hire people who can speak the fucking Japanese language.

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>>37371869
It's just damage control period month

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>>37372570
Why? They're EN, not JP you fucking sperg. They're not required to speak JP to join an EN group. Do you even listen to yourself?

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>>37371869
Because they probably realized Tempus collabs were fucking destroying their reputations. But they also refuse to admit Tempus collabs were a terrible mistake and apologize for it. So they didn't benefit from doing it and they also don't benefit from stopping. They found a way to trap themselves in a lose-lose situation.

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>>37371869
The realized killing their career wasn't worth it in the end

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>>37372570
>Bae had the perfect approach and even Mori as well.
a cuckbeat...

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>>37372713
They can't apologize for it, that would be throwing the EN males under the bus. The only real move they have is to just pretend like it never happened.

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>>37372120
>>thing chuba said is true
now
it certainly wasn't true at first

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>>37372570
>Doesn't make Ame or Kronii any less of a bitch going about it.

What I find funny is how Ame talked like she was tough shit, but then didn't have the guts to collab with Tempus 1 on 1 or even give them a birthday call. Pathetic

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>>37372801
New gen collabed a lot during the early months? That is true for every gen.

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>>37372662
This may come to you as a shock, considering how fucking retarded you are, but f you're in Holostars or Hololive you kind of want to place some effort on having the langauge to communicate with the talents you're working with. Japan has the luxary of making the rules, so EN and ID have to play. You notice how 2/3 of ID1 and 3/5 of the Myth girls had Japanese language skills? They act as a bridge. Tempus only having Axel was a dumb move.

>>37372769
Farthest thing from a Deadbeat. Calli dealt with the homos back in 2021. She didn't sperg out initially like Ame and Kronii.

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>Vesper suspended for 2 weeks
Nowa started to hit on one of them

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>>37372010
>Did they get the pettiness out of their systems?
This is the most likely answer. They got bored of using the homos to fire at their own fans. As for Bae, she's always kept to herself most of the time and she never really collabed much with the JP stars aside from Roberu despite being a huge fangirl. Kinda funny people said Bae would be the one all over the EN homo's nuts but she literally hasn't changed one bit since debut, Kronii was the one that ended up hiding behind management and Ame spammed collabs with them with the worms thing. They say the fans are the crazy ones, but some of these women are just the same with their "fuck you, dad, I'll do what I want!" vibes. Actual fucking psycho bitches.

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how many thread are you fuckers going to make? yesterday it was Kronii, today it's Ame. a few months ago it was Sana, when EN first debuted board was full of Kiara and Mori. some assholes even try to bait with Fauna and Mumei even though they do nothing to piss off people.
what is the fucking point of these threads? if you don't like someone then don't watch them. hell i don't think you watch any stream at all.

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>>37373016
>hell i don't think you watch any stream at all.
So you've finally found the truth about shitposters...

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>>37371869
damage control?
but it's too late for that, the unicorns have already migrated, and it's gonna take more time to repair the schisms in the fanbases that they themselves helped destroy
for the boys, they overstayed their welcome, they're not exactly the "shiny new thing" the normalfags were raving about

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>>37372783
ah yes slowly dwindling down into irrelevancy. id say grow a pair and nuke the fuck out of starsen and their trannies bridge, win back some of your lost audience, then move forward and go full force on what makes hololive unique at the first place. but if you just want to chill with your 2k fans is very fine too, these guys are your real fans who stick with you through thick and thin anyway

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>>37371869
>rushed to own the haters
>got bored of new toy
>notice income and interest going down
>Hololive less relevant and indies growing
What you have left now is homo accessories exposed for who they are and seething towards fans. That seethe will show up every now and then, Don't bother giving them a second chance for they will "own the haters" again if they get the chance.

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>>37371869
https://twitter.com/cover_corp/status/1593882622094032896
This is probably why
Vesper suspended
Something happened behind the scenes

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>>37372010
I think they or management noticed a huge uptick in sour feelings going all around EN between the fans (ironic for a group who is shilled as being a unity thing to cause division) and they may have tried to hit the brakes.

However, when schedules are being worked out probably a couple weeks in advance, it takes time for the effects to actually become apparent. Even so, male collabs are not entirely dropped off and there is no telling or betting if some might pop up again next week or the week after and so on. We will see.

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>>37374164
Welp, they find out about his love hotel off collab with Kronii

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>>37374164
That is a spicy rrat, homo collabs stop out of nowhere on the same kind of timeframe for some internal investigation to have been in process behind the scenes, leading to public suspension.

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>>37371869
They noticed that Tempus is not worth burning down your own channel for.
In a sea of retarded management decisions StarsEN was easily the worst.

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>>37374164
>>37375567
Wouldn't surprise me if the Homos are actually huge creeps behind the scenes. (I mean, consider the personality type of guy who becomes a anime avatar streamer in the first place...)

We joked about how "haha, 90% of the people applying for StarsEN probably don't care about Holostars in the first place and only want to use it to get closer to the girls behind the scenes lol", and lmao if it actually turned out that way...

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>>37371869
>Kronii
Thought the vocal minority was all she'd lose. Realised she'd have to move back in with her parents because she lost the silent majority.
>Bae
She does whatever, her numbers have literally always stuggled.
>Ame
Thought the vocal minority was all she'd lose. Realised she still lives in a termite infested shithole and it would get worse because she lost the silent majority.

Let this be a lesson to any prospective chuubas. Woke Twitter trannies won't support you long term.

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>>37375900
With a sample size of one creep (myself) I can say with certainty that If I had any talent I would also suffer the indignity of becoming a male vtuber if it meant I could possibly get close to my oshi

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>>37375900
I'd heard that they try to weed out groomers in the ranks but I mean, this is EN branch, the same people who thought Sana would be a good hire, they probably let one in if not several.

The thing is, it seemed one of their screening criteria might have been "this dude knows little or nothing about Hololive and doesn't have a Holo oshi" in order to try to foolproof things. However, this would not at all preclude someone from a.) lying past it or b.) authentically not knowing/caring much about Holo when hired but getting really buddy-buddy close with one or more of the girls after getting hired.

The case of (b) if it happened (no idea but I mean hypothetically) would be a really, really good reason to cut them out of sharing a discord with the girls at all. There's a damn fucking good reason they designed it like that for StarsJP. Why fuck with it.

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>>37375675
The retarded decision was the aggressive attempt at forcing co-ed unity. Just having a Stars EN branch isn't a terrible decision in itself, it would have been pretty low risk if interaction with the girls had been kept to a minimum. Worst case scenario they just wouldn't have been successful and that would be that. Unfortunately EN management decided to push them as the male branch of HoloEN, when they should have been pushed as the EN branch of Holostars.

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>>37371869
Probably realized over time that they are not so different from the fans they called out for their behavior specifically to collab with them. And suddenly the weirdos in the stream chat seemed more appealing than the weirdos in the discord dms, who are also supposed to be your colleagues.

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Gura and Ina are not coming back until they feel safe from the flat chest predator

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>>37371985
>subaru
Which fucking sucks because I wanted to see more collabs of her with Ui and Maimoto.

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>>37371869
Numbers, probably. Nijification wasn't working so they went back to catering to unicorns/gachikois.

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>>37372103
Refresh my memory. Which Monday?

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>>37372120
Collab spam was the norm at the end of September and beginning of October. Obviously, management stepped in and Bae, Kronii and Ame have dropped Tempus completely.

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>>37372662
It's a JP company, learning and speaking Japanese should be expected. I want the EN Stars to collab with the JP Stars, instead of having them forced on the EN girls.

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>>37375900
>We joked about how "haha, 90% of the people applying for StarsEN probably don't care about Holostars in the first place and only want to use it to get closer to the girls behind the scenes lol", and lmao if it actually turned out that way...
It always was true. Interesting part would be if Cover failed to weed out such applications.

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>>37375900
What wouldn't surprise me is girls playfully hitting on grown men with needs who then respond in kind being framed as "evil male did a big sexual harassment"

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>>37374325
>I think they or management noticed a huge uptick in sour feelings going all around EN between the fans (ironic for a group who is shilled as being a unity thing to cause division) and they may have tried to hit the brakes.
The anniversary merch sales probably sold much less than projected.

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>>37376878
Problem is too few of Tempus know japanese, so integration with JP stars was always gonna be light.

How many collabs did Tempus do with JP Stars? Now count and compare with how many collabs Tempus did with HoloEN girls, it's no wonder the impression the public got wasn't that "Tempus is the EN branch of Holostars" but "Tempus is the male branch of HoloEN".

As for "forced unity", it's less about management. Don't get me wrong, sure management wants to push in this direction, but who accepted (or even initiated) all those male-female collabs in the first place? The girls did (and management couldn't force them to collab with Tempus, if they actually didn't want to). Whether out of some naive "I'm just so nice and just wanna help my new coworkers out teehee" or some self-serving "huahaha it pisses off those annoying incel chuds I wanted to filter out of my fanbase anyway!" own-the-haterz mindset, the girls are the ones who're pushing the Tempus collabs in the first place. They wouldn't happen if all girls were against it.

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>>37378094
How would you even try to "weed out" creep applications?
Make them provide their previous social medias and look over to see if they posted about a particular Hololive girl a little "too much"?
If the topic of coworker relations or motivations to join even came up in the interview, it's not like people don't lie in interviews all the time, so it's really hard to weed out all creeps with nefarious motives if they are just skillfull enough at conceiling them and appearing nice.

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>>37378569
>Make them provide their previous social medias and look over
Unironically yes, if you think any employer doesn't do this, you're quite mistaken. I've been asked during job interviews why I lack a social media presence despite never having actually provided such a thing in my application. They quietly look you up.

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>>37378694
Oh, I don't doubt that employers do this. Especially for a public entertainer job like Hololive, which involves having and managing a large social media presence, scrutinizing a potential applicants previous social media history is just good and necessary business practice to protect your reputations nowadays.

But that only weeds out the most basic creeps who were stupid and lazy enough to post their creep shit on main. If you are even just slightly more smarter than average, you'll make separate accounts, to have at least one "clean" to present, so you can hide your true self better.

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>>37371869
Vesper made them feel comfortable

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>>37372570
Mumei fauna Gura don't speak japanese oh this rule only apply to men right? Lmfao feminist troon.

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>>37379864
3 of them are bigger than Holostars combined

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>>37379864
I never said they all had to know Japanese you dumb faggot. 50 percent minimum would do. Why are you so fucking retarded? Is that chic thing to do these days?

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>>37371983
no they probably will do it again

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>>37371915
Did someone made some sort of graph/chart on their numbers during this whole homo collab fiasco? That has to exist right

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>>37374164
is the mori curse really true and not just rattt? fuck Mori is really the grim reaper.

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>>37371869
They felt pity their models sucked and it was fucking holostars but after they learned about them they stopped.

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>>37371869
They filled the required quota for HolostarsEN release.

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>>37371869
Ame because she's a cunt, the rest i dont know.

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>>37375900
>if it actually turned out that way.
You think they're doing this to fulfil their childhood dreams of being anime boys?

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>>37376878
Many people gave Tempus the benefit of the doubt in the beginning. They talked about how proud they were to be Stars and how they wanted to stand on their own.
Even without much interest in males I was cheering for them a bit, they had that underdog spirit in their debuts.
And then they showed their real face and just mooched off of Hololive, completely ignoring the JPStars.

>>37378436
>Problem is too few of Tempus know japanese
Problem is none of them except maybe Vesper were actually JPStars fans so they had no real interest in working towards collabing with them.
Axel has good Japanese and could easily collab with them, maybe even translate for others.
Hell, Ame collabed with Roboco within months of her debut without either being able to speak each other's language.
Tempus could have made things work with Roberu, Pizza Papa or Temma, all of them have interest in English and done their reps.

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>>37371869
sexual harassment

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Now we finally know why

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>>37372114
And it seems to affect the branch as a whole, not just the collabers. Some unicorns really did leave, but they didn't switch to non-collabers like Gura or Fauna

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>>37372202
You want the board to be filled with look at my cure shark wife #8 instead?

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>>37383633
Anon, Fauna is 9k ccv regular now

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>>37383633
Fauna literally went from 4k average to 10k.

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>>37372570
>give them a leg
How about they just be entertaining?
They have some good stuff but most their content is still flesh/no-camtuber tier material that doesn't set them apart from anyone else unless you really like their models.

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At this rate, it's only Mori who is probably still on Vesper's side, the rest ganged up on the poor dude

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>>37380383
Their superchat income took a nosedive, nobody can contradict that.

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>>37387149
The fact that they limited to an hour or so stream were allowed to collab early makes it obvious that there was no confidence on the part of management from the start. They were hobbled from the beginning and when management realized it, collabs with the established girls seemed like the right answer until it became clear that there was no real net benefit for the guys. Inept leadership from Hololive Productions killed growth into new markets.

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Quite sure for Bae nothing changed, she did collabs with roberu and others iirc and it was never an issue and she always was honest about this kind of stuff, and never spammed them nor she did with tempus either, she should be safe really.

Kronni and Ame though...they went completely pants-on-head-retarded and took another shit on their fanbase, Kronii in particular was really bad because she was openly lying about it and trying to smart her way to have it all

Anyways, the point is, they fucked around and found out, and now unless they really put in the effort and somehow make unique and good content, no one will give them the time of the day besides their most hardcore, retarded simps.

>>37383333
Checked

[Anonymous No.]

Did numbers-autists actually confirm superchat and ccv drops? Since people run their mouths about it so much

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>>37387782
stop double spacing it doesn't make it any easier to read and people will make fun of you

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>>37387963
Let retards be retards, mockery doesn't affect me only logic and arguments do

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>>37371869
They never stopped. It's like Gura never stopped collabing with Calli. It's like you would say Kiara stopped collabing with Pekora just before the last HoloTalk was announced. Delay between collabs doesn't mean stopping.

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>>37387949
Superchats I think so but I don't have the charts on hand. For ccv see >>37332124 and the replies to said post.
Tldr
>Are all western vtubers reclining?
Yes
>Is almost every HoloEN at their lowest point?
Yes, with the exception of Fauna who is performing better than her average
>Was it Tempus? Did CGDCT fans flock to Fauna? Has Tempus permanently pulled viewers from the ones who collabed with them? Have they had literally no impact? Is Ame doing sponsored streams now because of the drops? Has EN management stepped in to try and correct course? Has Tempus hastened the downfall of EN? Are they happy with the state of things? Is this literally only something a couple hundred at most anons on vt care about?
itsamystery.mp3

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>>37389089
interesting

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>>37380552
no mori just surrounds herself with social outcasts, they are socially outcasted for a reason

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>>37388603
>It's like Gura never stopped collabing with Calli
Okay Anon, tell me how long it's been since their last collab. And keep in mind full group collabs where all of Myth is obligated to show up together don't count.

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>>37388603
Things have gotten awfully sparse, admittedly

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>>37371869
They realized they needed the incel bucks.

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>>37383689
Yes

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>>37387782
>no one will give them the time of the day
/vt/ never give Kronii the time of the day in the first place. you fuckers only talk about her because of the drama

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>>37371869
Ame doesn't like collabing with anyone. I dunno about the rest.
Also have sex and ywnbam

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>>37387949
iirc Numbers did indeed drop, but it's part of a general long term trend where HoloEN has stagnated/declined over the last year or so.

So there's no simple and clean break where you can point to "see, numbers were good/going up before the males, then males came and boom numbers are suddenly in the shitter" and have them as the singular explanation.

It's probably a multitude of reasons (lockdown tourists gone, vtuber novelty buff over, content got stale, too many talents just coasting and not delivering, shitty attitudes, HoloEN isn't the only game in town anymore so audiences are less captive and migrate to other alternatives, etc.). But yeah, while it's too soon to tell the future long-term impact, it's probably fair to say that the males didn't really help either so far, and unless something drastic changes (like an actual EN3 golden generation again), the general slow recline will continue

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>>37372120
/vt/ schizos lives in their own head and they create a narrative that suits their needs.

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>>37389568
Yet /infinity/ was the biggest holo split for most of Kronii's first year, beating even /ggg/ most of the time unless Gura had something special happening. now is a wasteland.

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>>37389785
Superchats is so obviously males, You'd have to be insane to claim it's a coincidence that all the male collabers took a nosedive yet the others didn't.

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>>37373378
>these guys are your real fans who stick with you through thick and thin anyway
To me this sounds like sunk cost fallacy.

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>>37373256
Even having one faggot in any HoloEN branch is too much. HololiveEN Vibe check perpetually failed.

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>>37389899
that guy is a tourist, dont bother.

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>>37389929
Nta but this is pretty useless without past data to compare against

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>>37389929
From when to when is this table, and it would be more helpful if it only included EN girls so we could track SC trends pre-and post-Tempus.

It is my hunch as well that the males hurt more than they help, but I'd like to see some more better data before I make definitive statements.

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>>37387949
Yes HoloEn was dropping slightly since the start but there was always a bounce back. HoloEN 3 would have been that.

Fact is that they gave us Tempiss instead and instead of there being a spike back up, it just sped the decline of the branch to a point never seen. Tourist fucked off after a few collabs and the girls lost some of their core watchers as a result.

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>>37393804
This is a good point to make. Tempus brought none of the benefits a new gen would, attracting fresh faces, bringing old fans back, rejuvenating current fans, etc. Of course, Tempus aren't a fucking Hololive gen but the way they've been treated by management and shoehorned into everything you almost half to compare them as such. Everyday I believe a little more that management did want them to unofficially be this cycles gen.

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>>37393804
>>37395684
The male vtubers don't help, yes, (who even asked for them? It certainly wasn't the original fanbase, and whoever was calling for StarsEN on twitter or wherever lol is not actually watching their streams enough to make up for the lost numbers of displeased viewers who mostly just filter out silently. So Tempus probably ends up being an additional net-negative to HoloEN) but the general HoloEN recline had set in long before the males arrived, so they're probably not the simple answer to blame for everything.

I'd take a broader picture view and summarize the general longer term HoloEN recline thus with various points (non-exhaustive, not sorted, feel free to add)

A large part of the viewerbase was never actually committed fans in the first place, but basically just lockdown tourists. Vtubers were at the time the fresh new thing to entertain them while they were bored stuck at home. Now both the lockdowns are gone and vtubers aren't fresh and new anymore, so these people have moved on. Arguably, besides making "number go down", this might not even be a bad thing, regarding the quality of the viewerbase?

For Myth specifically, when they came out they were basically the "only game in town" and audiences had no real alternatives. We don't count Niji's embarrassing first attempt at "EN" (India), and twitch indies were still a minor league wild west wasteland. Holomyth came at a perfect lightning in a bottle moment, being the first serious attempt at a proper EN branch and Hololive was already the most popular corpo for westerners at the time due to the run-up of viral JP sub clips etc.

This, coupled with the aforementioned lockdown buff, meant that HoloMyths numbers in the beginning were probably a bit overstated and didn't actually reflect their actual long-term realistic/"stable" popularity/viability. Case in point, Council came next and couldn't repeat the explosive growth, indicating it wasn't (just) about the qualities about the talents but also extraneous factors involved (lockdown buff, novelty hype, first-mover advantage, etc.). And nowadays, if you are a viewer that still likes vtubers (so not just an above lockdown tourist), but are bored or otherwise dissatisfied with HoloEN, you aren't captive anymore and have much more alternatives to watch and may find other vtubers that better suit your actual tastes.

For example, if you actually like male collabs, you can just go watch the original gendermixing company, Niji, where this is much less controversial. Or if you are in it for the coom and want more raunchier stuff and Holo has become too safe and boring for you, you can go watch twitch indies.Or if you liked the original general Hololive feel, but it has gotten too corporate and impersonal for you and you want a smaller more comfier and intimate atmosphere, you can go watch all the smallcorpos that kinda imitate the Hololive model more or less, but where you actually have a more reasonable chance to get your chat read and interact with the streamer.

The only reason to stick with HoloEN and disregard all the alternatives is a) you are happy customer who is actually satisfied with the product, b) you are a bubbled corpo-drone who knows nothing about vtubing beyond the blue dorito, c) you are a tribalfag with a "yeah HoloEN might be shit, but at least it's not as bad as all the other alternatives!" mindset or d) you are sticking around due to stockholm-syndroming yourself into a parasocial relationship with your particular oshi and think giving it up would be "betraying her". If none of those reasons apply to you, and you're open to shopping around for potentially better alternatives, you have probably dropped HoloEN already or at least don't just watch it exclusively anymore.

Also, a big part of the general HoloEN recline (long before males entered the picture already) was that too many talents feel like they have basically given up on any effort and just go through the motions, minmax and coast along on the brand buff. They aren't hungry and motivated anymore (some arguably never were - this is especially noticeable in the second gen who already knew that Hololive would be a golden ticket and you don't need to put in any effort), and it's hard to stay hungry and not become complacent when fans throw money at you no matter how much (or rather how little) you actually do and basically reward you for just existing. Unless you're especially driven, most talents would just succumb to laziness and no delivery. And for the few talents that don't, Covers retarded management buerocracy does the rest of destroying their motivation.

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>>37371869
I love seeing this stupid song and dance every time a new generation goes past three months.

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>>37396113
The next time you post this, fix the spacing between indies. and Or, so that moot's shitcode stops trying to make it into a link.

[Anonymous No.]

Why do you still hate Kronii, Bae, and Ame despite them stopping collabs with the homos?

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>>37396113
well-put summary

[Anonymous No.]

>Ame stops collabing with homos
>Doesn't even mention them anymore
>Hasn't liked fanart of them for days now when usually she spammed likes of them every day
>Suddenly does 3 shill streams and sponsors in a few months when she hadn't had shill content in years
>Vesper suspension is announced
Something funky is going on behind the scenes

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>>37397859
I wonder if Ina's break is related too.

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>>37372570
Well that certainly backfired. I actually watched them at the beginning, but when the collab spam started I dropped them like a hot potato. Might have continued watching otherwise.
Lesson to be learned: Know your fucking target audience.

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Vesper is such a chad he banged all of the EN (Holo and Niji) girls and they all threatened to quit if he didn't get a light punishment.

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>>37397859
Yeah she always does that annoyed shutdown thing. It's like the fans don't exist, just her beefs with corporate

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>>37389929
Well in general you have to be insane to gift some random woman in a virtual avatar 100 bucks for simply playing video games, if they want to get money, they do have to be in good terms with say insanity

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>>37372548
Result: total unicorn victory, status quo ante bellum

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They distanced from them after Vesper went full discord groomer.

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>>37398674
Men cannot be trusted around beautiful girls, friendship is a lie.

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>>37371869
Because one of them spilled the beans that Vesper was trying to groom them in discord dm's so they all stopped talking to them

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>>37396113
When you look at the people who watch NijiEN waves, you can find parallels with the decline of HoloEN
>Lazulight and Obsydia have a really high concentration of former HoloEN fans
>Ethyria are more likely to be new viewers who started with NijiEN outright
>Luxiem got a completely different demographic

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>>37398674
Bae...no wonder papa rat is so hell bent on making the cuck shed a fortress.

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looks like NijiEN will eventually win the war, even it means to vomit 50 gens of 3view/2view shitters.
Truly the Soviet Union of vtuber corpos

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>>37399170
They might win the war, but they'll be left to rule over a desolate wasteland.

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>>37397859
The bitch that fools you once can do it twice

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>>37399291
Not him but it worked for NijiJP, they cornered the fuck outta the market by spamming debut waves.

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>>37371869
>No chemistry
>Boys terrified of saying something weird, awkward pauses.
>Fanbase on either side isn’t into it.

/MANS/ doesn’t like the girls collabing either.
It’s really the Nijisisters/Twittertroons that have been falseflagging for them.

It’s not going to happen again for a long time, even Regis has fucked off.

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>>37399311
Eh I didn't say I was fooled, I was just pointing out the facts. I'm not sure if her behavior right now is out of her own will or if they're all been given a corporate mandate to distance themselves from the homos until whatever that's happening bts is resolved.

All that said I know that if its something being enforced by the top you best be sure Ame will jump to simp for the homos the second she is allowed.

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>>37399399
>No chemistry
The boys managed to have more chemistry within themselves AND the girls out the gate compared to Council and waaaay more than Myth, Myth's chemistry is fucking dead, they might as well be strangers now.
>Boys terrified of saying something weird, awkward pauses.
That's not true, see above. HoloEN-ID-StarsEN are always moving along quickly, full of wit and laughter. You clearly don't watch streams.
>Fanbase on either side isn’t into it.
That's only from one side, the incel unicorn side, which is a minority. Every normal fan is at worst uninterested but most are very supportive and have enjoyed them.

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What if this is a rushia situation where he was personally thanking his whales and fans for the support behind the scenes? Or he his lips are even looser than they are on stream and blabbed to his rm friends, since he did commission them for his stream assets as vesper.

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>>37399559
>rushia situation where he was personally thanking his whales and fans for the support behind the scenes?
I doubt he has enough whales or if he has big enough to do that. I really can't see women going to the lengths male whales do, and gay men have so much easy access to sex you really don't see incels, unicorns or whales develop in their communities.
>Or he his lips are even looser than they are on stream and blabbed to his rm friends
Several Holos already do stuff like that, using the same artists for rm stuff, being friends with people while being the chuuba or rm, etc. That alone wouldn't warrant a suspension.

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>>37399687
>I really can't see women going to the lengths male whales do
Women give more money than men do.

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>>37371869
Ame only did collaborations on a whim and she must be bored by now
Kronii thought that she would not lose anything, she even yelled at the company to make a tweet justifying her, but after losing money she regretted it.
Ironically, Bae handled the situation better, so there were no significant changes.

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>>37372823
What a shallow bitch. lmao

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>>37372915
Honestly, Bae is probably the only one that could have done it without pissing off her fans. I mean, yeah, some would have disliked it, but she wouldn't have insulted them.

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>>37372144
because it's a common behavior of trannies with internet addictions to corrupt and destroy the things consumed not by just individuals but entire groups of ordinary people said trannies believe have "wronged" them, they think their behavior can't possibly be the problem with why others are uncomfortable around them. they are untouchable victims. They want "boys in the girls locker room" kind of atmosphere that NijiEN has that makes all the girls talk like 13-year-old boys while the guys are constantly fujo-baiting and talking about how gay they are.

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>>37399546
Well, someone did SOMETHING stupid because we currently have suspensions.

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>>37404610
Just one suspension, and I'm more willing to blame Cover's autistic Japanese mindset than the talents whenever suspensions are thrown out.

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>>37405584
>join japanese company
>WHY ARE THEY USING JAPANESE VALUES?!?!?!!?
Like I said: dumb. And the suspension isn't the only thing. Schedules have actually straight up disappeared.

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>>37405685
>Trusting the faceless Japanese company instead of the talent
I guess you also trust Jeff Bezos more than the workers huh?
>Schedules have actually straight up disappeared.
Which ones? The boys? They usually put up their schedules on Sundays, and I wouldn't be surprised if they delay them because they usually collab with each other multiple days of the week so Vesper getting dragged is probably reshuffling a lot of streams.

If you're talking about the girls... Idk what to tell you, a lot of the girls were dropping schedules way before Tempus were a thing.

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>>37405922
>typing more means I'm more right
lol
lmao even

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>>37406173
>more right
ESL-chama...

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>>37406254
That's reach on your part, too. Holy cope, Batman.

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>>37406361

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>>37371961
>"I do what I want, with whoever I want, losers"
>nobody watches homo streams, whores get lowest revenue
>"Actually maybe being a CGDCT idol chuuba is okay, you forgive us, right?~"

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>>37407057
>Fotunately Idol culture is a thing!

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>>37371869
they sent weird dms and asked them to join their calls even when they werent streaming (real)

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>>37380552
it's a chicken or the egg question, did the Mori collab somehow force God's hand to curse the loser or were they already on their way to losing and that's why they collabed with her? Whichever it is her collab is definitely a sign something bad will happen.

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>>37407057
It's hotter now that we've dropped the illusion of her not being an eGeisha, and being desperate.

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The thought of Watson's hard earned career going down the toilet over supporting homolive and her screaming and destroying her apartment over it makes me rock hard bros

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>>37406361
Concession accepted.

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>>37399170
They can rule over """"male"""" vtubers for all I care. Hell, VSHOJO can open a male branch if they want to dispute the throne. Its pointless o desire the throne of being the king of shit

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>>37407057
These whores don't deserve to have anyone go back but I can endure their continued existence as long as they don't corrupt the others. They can serve as cautinary tales.

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Antagonising a large part of your fan base to win "Woke points" from an audience that never watch you is probably a bad idea.

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>>37383179
Axel applied to JPstars dude; he plays Apex with Astel regularly.

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>>37372010
They're all a bunch of asocial weirdos who don't like to collab in general.

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>>37412965
who would have thought it. nijis learn this the hard way with there twitter likes to viewership ratio.

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>>37413425

And they are all very, very, very conscious about their brands and they DO NOT want to be seen as "the sidekick". Look at Myth, in the second there was a whiff of that for any pairs, they hard stopped doing collabs with X for months.

Look at, let's say, Gura. Besides company mandated events, her collabs are a)People that don't mind playing sidekick and b)Old JP talents that are secure enough of their own brand.

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I don't watch them, what do people mean that they stopped collabing or acknowledging the homos? Is it people making schizo assumptions after only like 3 days or has it actually been like a full week or 2?

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>>37414438
Mori did some watchalong recently for StarsJP, like a week ago. Other than that they've been radio silent on the guys since Axel's birthday. Ame had organized a collab that was going to have multiple parts like the Worms Tournament but hasn't acknowledged it in months.

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>>37414438
Okay I was curious and did some complicated twitter searches (you should be able to search these yourself) to check their interactions myself, nothing since nov 9 and that was only once since oct 28

(from:regisaltare OR from:magnidezmond OR from:axelsyrios OR from:noirvesper_en) (to:moricalliope OR to:takanashikiara OR to:ninomaeinanis OR to:gawrgura OR to:watsonameliaEN OR to:irys_en OR to:ceresfauna OR to:ourokronii OR to:nanashimumei_en OR to:hakosbaelz)

(to:regisaltare OR to:magnidezmond OR to:axelsyrios OR to:noirvesper_en) (from:moricalliope OR from:takanashikiara OR from:ninomaeinanis OR from:gawrgura OR from:watsonameliaEN OR from:irys_en OR from:ceresfauna OR from:ourokronii OR from:nanashimumei_en OR from:hakosbaelz)

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>>37407057
>comes back with an ASMR stream

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>>37396853
>Kronii
Only doing it to get money. No sell.
>Bae
I don't hate her, I view her as an entertainer since that was the angle she made it clear she was going with from debut.
>Ame
Only doing it to get money. No sell.

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>>37415686
>>Ame
>Only doing it to get money. No sell.
threadreader moment

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>>37371869
Who? None of those things exist.

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>>37372010
Anyone who wasn't a schizo knew that once the new toy effect wore off collabs would happen less often.

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>>37413991
No, they're just asocial.