/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Why doesn't HoloEN stream more?

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>>38814919
Ah, so we’re back to this shit again, huh? Because they don’t want to. Why? Because they’re burnt out.
I hate how anons can’t just admit the obvious and make up excuses to avoid facing the fact that their oshi just doesn’t like them.

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motivation hort

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>>38814919
because most games are locked behind shitty terms. and their bad history with china now crowling back to them. many games are now born from that hell hole. tencent and netease scoop some dev to make triple A games meanwhile jp like SEGA, nintendo and bamco limit how long their game can be played. that's the state of holo right now. deep in his thoughts, tanigo really miss that chinks money. remember he made a vids about how fun working with azure lane just like john cena's ice cream vid

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>>38815204
>many games are now born from that hell hole
I think not being able to play Genshin and random gatchas isn't really that big of a deal

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>>38814919
why cut out november out of that list

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>>38815204
>blame perms
>Nijisanji EN has almost the exact same perms (They have first/second party Sony+Konami games but not from soft games)
>Nijisanji EN actually streams
And I say this as a holoEN fan (minus mori).

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>>38815282
nijikeks just spam shit tierlist and fucking handcam streams, still can't salvage their numbers

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>>38815261
that random gatcha is where hololive came from. if azure lane never collab to them, holo won't even this "big". Don't u underestimate gatcha games and chink influence.

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>>38815298
The ones at the top of the list don't do that though. Elira plays JRPGs for ages, Selen plays FPS and Pomu does a variety of stuff.

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>>38814919
>get bullied out of /#/
>come to catalog to shitpost
Why are SEAniggers like this?

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>>38815411
I wouldn't go in a shit hole like the number thread if you paid me.

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>>38814919
Looks like even in NijiEN, some of them are burning out and streaming less recently.

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>>38815298
They can beat Mori these days.

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>>38815498
selen streaming a new game whole mori with that ffs game that has been streamed hundreds of time by others

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>>38815204
There isn't a single good game that's come out of China. No one wants to watch their oshi play chink gacha shit. Don't kid yourself, bug.

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>>38815282
NijiEN has fromsoft games. Voxnwas playing Bloodborne recent

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>>38814919
Work smart, not hard.

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>>38814919
Would YOU work twice as hard when not doing so generates so much cash? "Return" stream, anniversary, etc

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>>38816568
>>38816644
The problem with this reasoning is you basically acknowledge that it's nothing more than work to them. Something they would like to do as little as possible and only do begrudgingly because they get paid.

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>>38814919
tempiss shit fuck them hard.

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sasuga purple dragon

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>>38815386
That's 3 members out of what 30??

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>>38816967
I mean, yeah. You shouldn't assume anyone is telling the truth when they gush about how much they love their viewers and to be a vtuber, it's too unlikely.

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>>38817771
But Gura said she loves me and wants to do her best for me and to become an idol and to learn japanese

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>>38814919
What the fuck is Ren's problem?

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>>38814919
Because holos are not just streamers, they are brands in the making, and the company has long term plans for everyone.
Endgame holos (those whose personal brands are fully developed and widespread) waste money and health by streaming and only do it because the fans demand it or because the talent feels like it.

Meanwhile, nijis have been streamers and nothing more than streamers. If they don't stream, there's no income. They are not developing a brand, as it seems they can't produce their own merch/products anymore. They are doing twitch meta on youtube, the longer they are live, the more money they earn.

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>>38818351
>brands in the making
>Endgame holos
>waste money and health by streaming
Please be bait

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>>38818351
This honestly reads like the biggest load of cope everytime I see it and similar things when if you actually follow Nijisanji members you'll see they basically do all the same shit as the Hololive ones while still streaming way more.

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>>38818501
>f you actually follow Nijisanji members you'll see they basically do all the same shit as the Hololive ones while still streaming way more.
You mean like Mito taking several months off to take care of "personal business"?

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>>38814919
I'm glad ENfags are suffering cuz Karma

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>>38818616
I mean like if you take Elira at the top of that list in OP for example. She's what done multiple IRL con appearances this year one of them having a concert as part of it, she's gone to Japan to appear in NijiFes in 3D, then went to Japan again to record even more stuff for weeks with the rest of Lazulight, they do regular sponsorship stream work often multiple times a month, they do voice pack recording basically monthly, she's participated in a bunch of covers and stuff like that, does karaokes, hostsed official company shows, participates in company wide events, organized popular collabs etc. All while still streaming thousands of hours and keeping active on social media. Acting like they just get stuck on YouTube told to stream and left to their own devices with nothing requiring their attention outside of that is way off the mark. They job is more or less the same thing regardless of which company you're at.

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what's your source

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>>38814919
running out of things to shitpost eh?

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>>38814919
How often do you want HoloEN to stream? Genuinely curious

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>>38818942
And nobody cared about any of that shit

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>>38819122
Whatever. I'm just saying the implication that the HoloEN members can't stream because they have so much more important stuff they're working on while the NijiEN members only have to focus on streaming is just nonsense.

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>>38819011
5 days per week would be a good start.

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>>38815277
Either he doesn’t have the one containing November, or November’s numbers undermine his argument.

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>>38819231
>the implication that the HoloEN members can't stream because they have so much more important stuff they're working on
I never implicated such thing. That's your own projection.
My key point is the long term perspective when it comes to the talent. Which is the reason why it's been more than a year since the last hololive EN "wave". And also why they can take it easy, unlike Elira who has to do all that to barely keep up... all while putting out insanely long and very boring JRPG streams.

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>>38821268
>long term perspective when it comes to the talent
Like the extreme mismanagemet of IRyS? Or forcing some of the council members into characters that don't fit their personality?

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>>38821268
What's the long term perspective for HoloEN just to wait until people get bored of the streamers they like not streaming anymore and their brand loses any value?

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>>38821268
Their long term perspective was hiring males to steal Luxiem's thunder and we all know how that worked out.

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>>38821268
I don't really know what long term perspective you're talking about though. To me it seems more like 3/5 girls in myth have achieved basically everything you can as a vtuber already within no time and have nowhere left to grow so have just become despondent and lazy, putting in minimal effort to string along audience until they eventually graduate.

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>>38817771
It’s much more believable at the 3view level. Enough ccv to make a living, not so much it would attract people who want to get into it for instant fame and fortune?
I suppose the fact that it’s a stream and you can glean quite a bit from the way they talk over an extended period of time like that also helps. I was shocked at how little Kronii interacted with her chat, for example. That’s because I was already much more used to the levels of interaction at Phase by that point.
It’s not really that hard to get a baseline sense of how much the vtuber really cares about it, if you take off the rose-colored goggles and try to be objective about it.

[Anonymous No.]

Lazy whores.
>we need EN3
Yeah anon, we will solve the lazy whore problem by hiring even more lazy whores.

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>>38821369
IRyS music management is a disaster, but that's not the case for her as a talent of Cover. She has received far more benefits than any Niji would ever see in their entire career (pic related).
Council being poorly auditioned is common knowledge for anyone keeping up with vtubing in general. It doesn't change the fact that they work under the same environment as everyone else. And Cover has clearly shifted their selection strategy if you look at Tempus, who are doing many times better than what they were preparing for (this works as a response to >>38821666).

>>38821465
That's the number one disadvantage to having plans in term of years instead of months... but it's not something exclusive to Cover's environment. Every single entertainer in the business have to deal with becoming irrelevant, or stop being part of what the market demands.

>>38821761
Gura is playing the endgame I mentioned before (>38818351), Mori is getting there while having two full time jobs. The rest are still on the journey. Myth as a whole is a big and very developed brand.

>>38822174
HoloJP went viral in Japan thanks to hiring key talent that arrived to produce extremely clipable content (Gen3 and Gen4). The presence of mature hags also worked wonders for the mental health of the neet otaku they hired, which influenced who they got for Gen5 and Gen6.

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>>38822497
You seem to really be avoiding addressing what this "long term perspective" thing actually means. Almost every post you replied to asked you to explain what you meant by it in some form or another but you completely failed to give by concrete explanation in any reply.

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>>38814919
Ame spends most of her time bts making sure each and everyone of her streams is hit, an actual event you want to show up to.
I will take quality over quantity any day.

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>>38822497
I don't think you know much about Nijisanji if you think your pictures is "more benefits" than any Niji would ever get? I mean they have individuals that get record deals, new 3d models, animated PVs for those models, and multiple live shows for the music they make only as promotion for the album which the also get sold on a Blu ray. You think that being on a blu-ray is better than that?

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>>38822730
It means the same shit for everyone. That they plan in term of years instead of months. Short term objectives vs Long term objectives.
A mid tier holo like Noel already has 70% of 2023 completely booked.
Watame planned for 2022 and 2023 early in 2021.

In Niji I see stuff like picrel, or them already going public.. and it's grim AF. The mental health of the talents are not in a great spot and they make this fact public on their main accounts. I just hope the yearly graduations we constantly see on your side remain in the single digits.

>>38822947
I'm aware of all the points you mentioned.
Project HOPE on itself is a day 0 record deal. The redesign decision stopped half of what they had planned for the project for more than a year. This took place before she even had 6 months of activities.
Now, would Anycolor allow a ROF-MAO member rebrand himself like Aruran did?

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>>38823977
You're aware of all the points I mentioned but spout bullshit about it being more than Niji would ever do for a talent despite the fact they have done it repeatedly since 2018 for probably 10+ different groups by now. Mito, Kuzuha, Deron, Kanae, Nornis, Petite Fleur's, ROF-MAO, Trinity, Kazaki on her own, Raindrops that's ten different groups I can come up with that have all had similar treatment. Kazaki for one got a completely new aged form for her record contract if you are talking about rebranding with two different 3d models for it.

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>>38823977
You're still not getting to the point of it though. What part of these "long term plans" means that it's a good idea for them to barely stream while the audience slowly loses interest? HoloJP aren't barely streaming because they've got plans for the future. Watame isn't doing 30hrs a month. They still keep up with their streaming.

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>>38814919
>Homo this low
Wtf i thought they constantly streams and plays together?

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>>38823977
Problem is most people don't care about these "long term plans", most people just want streams and we are not getting streams.

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>>38815261
It was for rushia, she spammed the fuck out of genchink after she got fired.

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>>38824864
It's particularly funny that watame was used for an example to illustrate this concept considering she streams as much as the nijiens near the top of the list 100+hrs a month.

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>>38825224
Rushia is a brainlet who barely cares about video games.

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>>38814919
Kiara carrying Holo EN

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>>38825228
Watame is a great example:
- Insane 10pm to 5am timeslot.
- 60% of her total hours is her reading every single superchat she receives.
- Skip buff games bandwaggons
- In 2022 she's been streaming way less compared to 2021
- She figured a way to take more breaks with her new travel workation vlog thing
Everything she does is a long term BIG PLAN to one day perform at the Nippon Budokan.

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>>38826099
The original point being made was that because HoloEN members have "long term plans" they don't stream as much as the Nijisanji members do. Watame has "long term plans" and streams just as much. It just goes to show what a bad point it and poor excuse it is. If she has all these plans and still streams like the top nijiens there. There's people in NijiJP that stream that much, people in NijiEN that stream that much, people in HoloJP that stream that much, people in HoloID that stream that much and lots of those people have lots of off screen work and plans for the future. HoloEN is just lazy.

[Anonymous No.]

Say the line, holobrony!

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The top ones basically cashed out

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>>38824445
Cover redesigned Irys, Azki, Aruran and Flare in spite of the big sunk costs speaking against the changes. The talent's wish being the primary drive of the operation on all cases.
Your example is just part of the new contract investment. There's no Niji example because it's just no something that Anycolor does.

>>38826514
Saying it's lazy or not doesn't change the how the work environment is. You'll never see a Niji talent taking it as easy as the HoloEN member can take it. One, because the company would not allow it (they went public), and second because >>38825093 is a reality.

If you ask me whether it's good or bad:
It's bad in the short term for HoloEN
Potentially good in the future (big maybe)...
No doubt absolutely terrible for their fans who are constantly getting entertained by literally anything else (other vtubers, games, anime, etc.)

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>>38827893
You still sound like you are really ignorant of Niji maybe 50 out of the 150 or so members of the talents in the main branch stream more than 10hrs a week. There's little to no pressure to stream a lot.

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>>38814919
Is there an updated chart with November numbers as well?

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>>38827893
Are you talking about members changing their design entirely? Why not look at azuichi momo or naruse naru?

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>>38814919
Because (we) give them big gigantic number, so they doesn't need to try anymore

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>>38814966
Why doesn't pekora get burned out as much as the ENs do?
Miko? Koyori? Even haachama streams more than them, and she goes to fucking uni

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>>38814919
It’s painfully obvious that the holoEN girls don’t like their fans kek

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>>38814919
Because they're not paid by the hour and streaming longer has diminishing supachat returns.

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>>38826735
Q-quality over quantity!

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>>38817771
It's a lot easier to believe when they don't act like they had to be dragged tooth and nail to get a stream out of them to be fair

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>>38829509

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HOW THE FUCK IS COUNCIL GET AWAY WITH BEING SO LAZY??

They do Gura numbers, but you think they'd be more ambitious to prove themselves - no.

[Anonymous No.]

quality over quantity

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>>38831299
kek

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>>38831968
So where's the quality then?

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>>38832175
*streams valorant or apex*
*laughs*
*sex sex penis penis bang bang shit cum farts*
wow so this is the fabled nijisanji quality...

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>>38831968
>>38831299

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>>38832628
Nijisanji has no quality but they do have quantity. Current HoloEN has neither.

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>>38814919
thank god my oshi isn't >EN

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>>38828911
they don't have majority EN fans

[Anonymous No.]

Wanting a vtuber to stream is pretty cucked behavior, honestly. Why do you want her to stream so bad? So she can talk to thousands of males at the same time?

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>>38827893
I refuse to believe people like this exist

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>>38827893
Flare hated her outfit and it took 28 months for her to get a redesign. If Cover cared about their talents why don't they reach a suitable compromise with them about their model and outfit before their debut?

Cover is good at selling merch but they are horrible with employee satisfaction. At least with holoEN the longer a talent has to deal with management the less motivation they have. Ina and Kronii clearly dislike their default outfits and they have been slowly burning out.

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>>38815204
China has never produced a single good game. Don't kid yourself.

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>>38814919
they dont have too lol, you faggots are out here buying 15 dollar cum rags and 100 dollar daki pillow cases, why the fuck would they stream

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>>38836445
lol bc that isnt their business model they are auditioning chicks to go into predesigned models...how is this not understood yet.

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>>38821268
call Elira boring again and the next time you see your family they'll be hanging off the hooks in a meat locker

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>>38840439
Anon no! That's not what my big sister would want!

[Anonymous No.]

Hololive is not a streaming company. They are a hybrid entertainment group.
Quality over quantity.

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>>38841101
What do they do the HoloEN members do outside of basic streaming that NijiEN members don't though? They both to do sponsorship tie-in stuff, they both do voice recording stuff, they both record music, they both do live singing performances, they both do convention appearances. Seems to me they both do more or less the same shit except one of them bothers to keep up with the streaming while the other doesn't. Not all the branches of Holo are like this either so it doesn't make sense as general company point. HoloJP and HoloID has people who stream as much if not more than NijiEN.

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>>38814919
Mumei stream incline.

>>38815454
Answer is pretty simple and why nijisanji's "waves" strategy works, people who stream for 1-2 years usually make a decent amount of money in that time. They are also lazy, which is why they're not working another job or even an entertaining job that requires them to put in more effort than turning their computer on (and even that can be left in standby).

Hololive fucked up by deploying waves slowly and probably by not preparing 'en3' because they were launching tempus too. Give a woman a million bucks for being an anime girl, what reason does she have to stream more than a bare minimum now? Gura has debuffed herself constantly and is still the most popular english speaking vtuber, what's her incentive for streaming more and not letting her fanbase dissolve out of boredom/watch smaller vtubers instead?

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>>38815282
>>38841594
Don't forget that Nijisanji most likely treat employees like slaves which is why we get to see more frequent streams. Once their contracts expire, at least half of EN livers will simply quit due to burning out and shit work conditions.

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>>38814919
I like that nobody has answered the question after 50 IPs and nearly 100 posts.

Look, it's simple. There's two factors that can differentiate HoloEN from any other chuuba corp.
>Employees
>Work conditions
Either Cover got incredibly unlucky and hired 10/11 unproductive, demotivated workers, or something about the way they run their show makes their employees not want to stream as much as other corps.

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>>38841101
>>38831299

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>>38841912
I always thought maybe its about fan expectations and the example set by other members. I mean if you get into Nijisanji and you want to look at what success looks like early on your examples were Pomu, Elira and Selen they were the most popular members. Look who is at the top of the chart for NijiEN, Pomu, Elira and Selen. What do the most popular ones all have in common they streamed a lot. If I am a joining as a new member I will probably look at that and think if I want to be popular too I need to stream a lot.

Then you look at HoloEN who is the most popular, Gura how much does she stream, very little. That sends the message to any newcomer that streaming a lot doesn't really matter for popularity. If the most popular member can get by and remain popular barely streaming then I don't need to do that much either.

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>>38814919
What happened to Kiara in June?

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>>38842075
Seasonal wrestling flashbacks came back.

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>>38842048
That's a nonsensical argument, Gura isn't popular because she doesn't stream, she's a boosted anomaly due to her cunny model + voice who is slowly bleeding viewers because she's too lazy to give a damn about her channel.

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>>38842146
Ah, PTSD (Pre Takanashi Stuff Disorder) strikes again.

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>>38842193
I'm not saying she is popular because she doesn't stream. I am saying that you as a newcomer can look at the fact that she remains popular despite not streaming that much and come to the conclusion that it isn't that important to stream a lot if you want to be popular.

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>>38842283
Did you know that Kiara is EN's top superchat earner?

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>>38842400
That's cool, good for her. I assume someone like Gura probably makes more money overall though? When it comes to sponsorships and merch and memberships she probably gets higher rates, sells more and has way more members right?

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>>38842785
Yes, now bend over.

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>>38819828
Gura didn't stream almost at all in november, it only reinforces his point.

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>>38842400
Amazing what caring about your fans will do

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>>38841912
>employees
in theory the same as the JP branch, where only a few don't stream much and even less don't show something produced while they're gone.

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>>38842400
Are you talking about overall life earnings? She certainly wasn't last month
November superchats for HoloEN:
>IRyS - $29,458
>Ceres Fauna - $22,067
>Ouro Kronii - $20,945
>Mori Calliope - $20,795
>Takanashi Kiara - $16,195
>Nanashi Mumei - $11,185
>Hakos Baelz - $10,278
>Watson Amelia - $8,698
>Gawr Gura - $6,048

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>>38836969
Path of wuxis is pretty fun