/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

When did the whole "parasocial bad" shit start?

[Anonymous No.]

>>39862920
When vtubers outside of hololive noticed that they couldn't replicate a parasocial relationship with viewers, or wanted to do male collabs

[Anonymous No.]

>>39862920
Nobody cares if you like getting cÙcked, especially since Sondo hasn't even deleted her evidence

[Anonymous No.]

>>39862920
Around when streamers decided it was time to start having their cake and eating it too

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>>39862920
parasocial became a word in the internet lexicon when some retard made a video critiquing Pewdiepie during his insane rise to popularity because he did the brofist at the end
the idea has always been around but it's especially worse with vtubers since some of the biggest ones are corporate in nature and are using brand loyalty tactics so people like to throw the word to sound smart even though being a live entertainer is going to attract those types of people by the nature of having some level of interaction (ie what the PDP brofist was doing sorta), unless you were completely detached from the audience ala only doing skits or pre-recorded content (so not live)

[Anonymous No.]

>>39862920
People don’t understand what parasocial actually means, they think it’s just being obsessively in love with a streamer so therefore they think parasocial=bad without realised that streaming is inherently parasocial and that parasocial relationships aren’t only obsessively romantic but can be platonic, sexual, familial or romantic and any of those kinds of parasocial relationship can become unhealthy or obsessive but on the other hand they can all also be healthy and with an understanding of boundaries
Also I think people don’t understand that streamers can also be the main cause of unhealthy and obsessive parasocial relationships not just viewers

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>>39862920
Since before Vtubers. Twitch thots who had no problem gobbling up viewers' money always eventually hit a point where they lost it at their chat for being too parasocial.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39862920
>twitch whores tried to replicate the parasocial relationships of hololive
>they dont succeed as much
>some holoEN members stop catering to unicorns
>unicorns mad, twitch whore sees it
>twitch whore criticizes male-friendly and anti-parasocial vtubers, clips and threads are made
>eventually people bring up the fact that these unicorn-friendly vtubers are constatly lying to their audience about their own relationships and opinions to keep the parasocial money flowing
>twitch whores double down on anti-male rethoric to try to save face

[Anonymous No.]

>>39862920
NijiEN being invaded by people that dont give a fuck about vtubing

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>>39862920
It's always been bad
>>39862986
Bath tub titty streamers on Twitch were a thing before hololive and those whores pray on parasocials aggressively

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>>39862920
When people started throwing the word around during the pandemic

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>>39863727
You're absolutely correct, but you shouldn't expect people to understand such a complicated topic.

The only thing people understand is:
>Parasocial=insane people who can't control themselves
Which is not good for Vtubing, because the entire industry is parasocial, yes even Nijisanji and Vshojo

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>>39862986
this. it's a collective gaslighting from indies and vshojo/niji trying to convince you that it's bad now because they can't do it to save their lives.

because they can't at all compete in the CGDCT or GFE departments, they instead try to convince you these are bad evil superhitler things now.

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>>39862920
when normies got it into their heads that "parasocial" directly translates to "insane stalker obsession". yes, extreme parasocial obsession to the point of mental detriment to the streamer or viewer can be bad. don't let your oshi not reading your donation factor into deciding to kill yourself, and at the same time don't sperg in her chat or on her twitter demanding her attention and affection. but twitterfags heard horror stories about the extreme cases and are now terrified of any degree of parasocial connection whatsoever, not realising that to a degree they are parasocial themselves.
that's not even getting into the streamers/youtubers who do gfe/bfe content and then are somehow surprised when they find out that a lot of people who consume that content are lonely and mentally ill so they try to put up a barrier between themselves and the audience they were too stupid to realise they were cultivating

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>>39862920
Blame Rushia and her fans.

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>>39862920
When moron started to take it to seriously to the point of becoming obsessive schizos.

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>>39862920
L + ratio parasocial fucks
>dick sucking ASMR a week later

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>>39864076
Also to add to this, because cute girls content can be physically difficult for some random ethot slut to even comprehend because she doesn't get anime or anime fans in the first place (which really begs the question why she's doing vtubing), they'd rather write it all off than even attempt it. Because GFE requires not acting like an ethot out loud and not being a bitch to your fans, this is also incompatible with their mindsets. So they'd rather collectively try to go "well there's more of us ethots here on twitch than there are you dorky girls who actually-like anime and vtubers and Holowhatever, so we're right and we're gonna dictate your ideas of what vtubers should be is all evil shit for schizos now because it's too hard for us to do."

The funny thing is this is not unlike how actual talentless ethots go "guys this game's harrrrd, can you give me money now, here lemme unbutton my shirt a bit and talk about how much I love sucking dick" to circumvent the fact twitch is mostly for dudes who play games. They're there to panhandle basically. So they're just doing the same shit to the vtubing audience.

[Anonymous No.]

People love turning every idea into a black & white deal, the concept of a Parasocial relationship is a natural consequence of the way internet entertainment works, the distance between the viewer and the entertainer has become really short due to how easy it is to interact via chat or social media, no fucking shit you're going to start caring about a person you spend hours watching and interacting with (even if it's just a comment here and there).
Your average retard is only seeing the extremes, you either feel nothing towards the person behind the screen, or you're an obsessed schizo, they don't see anything in between and ignore the fact that there can be a healthy parasocial relationship between the watcher and the personality, you just need to put healthy boundaries like you would in any other kind of relationship.

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>>39864639
>>39864076
>>39862986

You are the retard who gave parasocial relationships a bad name.

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>>39862920
Basically parasocial is just a meaningless insult used to bash anyone who disagrees with the streamer.

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>>39862920
When common sense was invented

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>>39864664
This

Parasocial has been around since the idea of celebrity and fame has been a thing. Internet just made it more common. Almost every e-celeb is parasocial to some degree, and vtubers even MORE so. Parasocial does not have to be unhealthy; it can be as simple as getting sympathetic laughter when your favorite vtuber has a laughing fit.

It is unhealthy if you have delusions of actual friendship or intimacy with the vtuber. What's fucking annoying is that some vtubers go out of their way to explicitly cultivate this kind of unhealthy shit, and then bitch and moan about MUH PARASOCIAL.

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>>39862920
>When did the whole "parasocial bad" shit start?

People dumping thousands and thousands on girl streamers has always been viewed as a fuckin loser thing to do.

[Anonymous No.]

Wasn't there some faggot clipper that made a clip about parasocialness with some hololive girl? I never saw the term parasocial until after that video came out

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>>39864802
Have you considered your shitty mush brain was already gaslit by the egirls? These people are often uneducated lowlife losers IRL with not much of any rigorous morals, and only now suddenly they develop some kind of ethical backbone about parasocialism in vtubing ... a sudden pretend standard that's conveniently an excuse to justify being bad at the key draws in vtubing (being like a moe anime or being like an anime waifu).

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>>39862920
>>39863727 (me)
I forgot to talk about how this started, it was when western vtubers who didn’t understand the culture (and if they were to know they’d be the kind to hate it) starting showing up to cash in on the hot new thing, viewers who knew and liked the culture started showing up to these people streams/twitter accounts and acting like how viewers in vtuber culture usually do, parasocially but not necessarily in bad way, these new western vtubers used to the western twitch streaming culture didn’t like this, seeing it as only obsessively in love viewers who would all turn into crazy stalkers and so they started throwing parasocial at them as an insult in hopes of driving them off which is pretty ironic considering became vtubers in hopes of gaining this audience, if they just did a modicum of research into vtuber culture they’ve have realised what they were getting into all of this could’ve been avoided
Now in the western vtuber sphere it’s just accepted that parasocial=romantically obsessed viewers, which is how you end up with vtubers who basically do gfe/bfe spouting off about how bad parasocial is, because they don’t see their content as parasocial because by their (wrong) definition only viewers can be parasocial

[Anonymous No.]

>>39862920
When it gained popularity and people started using it as a catchall for annoying superfans/stalkers/doxers.

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>>39862920
>When did the whole "parasocial bad" shit start?
The moment hormone-addled women that nuke their bodies with birth control to perpetuate their disgusting whorish lifestyle became aware of vtubing. Most people in general are insanely selfish egotistical hypocrites. The average slut responds violently to anything that does not make her and her body the center of attention and the most coveted thing around. You have no idea how much it pisses off thots that an anime girl playing videogames could be out-earning their tits and ass.

We live in a culture of vanity and greed. "People" looted stores this week because it fucking snowed a little too hard. Were they stealing food? No, they were stealing cosmetics, electronics, and other high value items that have no practical use in an emergency situation. This world and most of the people in it are trash, but that doesn't stop the from pretending they're a moral authority and purveyor of righteousness wherever they go.

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>>39862920
Streaming is inherently parasocial.
If you interact with your chat in any way whatsoever, you're fostering a parasocial relationship.
If you miss a streamer when they go on break, cry when the graduate, feel you know anything about their personality, interests, life stories, etc., then you're already parasocial.
When I see a vtuber or streamer in general do the whole "parasocial bad" spiel, all that tells me is that they hate their job. Its the number one red flag I have to not watch someone, since why the fuck would I want to support somebody who openly despises what they do?
Either that or they're an actual drooling retard spouting buzzwords that twitter trannies shove down their throats, which is just as bad.

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>>39862920
The dawn of time. These backwards rules only hold outside of the United states

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>>39862920
Elvis? The beetles? something like that.

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>>39865245
Basically,
>rando girl who is probably a dropout working at mcdonald's and is an active parasite off naive men online for money, suddenly is now a moral authority, and will talk down to you and call you a schizo incel if you like her anything beyond ironically

This shit doesn't even make fucking sense. It's a beggar on the street telling you "how DARE you have sympathy for me, don't talk to me like you know me, just gimme the change and walk along." Only because the beggar has tits and anime lipstick on people don't notice the contradiction.

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>>39862920
i have no fucking idea nor do i care but im glad it did

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>>39865130
>oh my god men are such losers for falling in love with a girl streaming videogames
>OH MY GOD RICKY MARTIN IS SO HOT I WANT TO HAVE HIS BABIES PLEASE FUCK ME RICKY
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN HE'S GAY?! I'M NEVER LISTENING TO HIS MUSIC AGAIN!

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>>39862920
The moment redditors and normalfags from Twitch got into vtubing
They're the same people using the words "incel" and sometimes "unicorn" without even knowing what the latter means

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>>39865847
Why are you acting like those 2 things contradict?

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>>39865245
Have you ever thought in your small brain they not every vtubers need to act like Hololive? Hololives is Hololives. Nijisanji is Nijisanji. Vshitshow is shit. VSPO is VSPO. Maybe 774inc, Re;Act and dotLive does act like Hololive sometimes. Even some Nijis have Holo-esque characteristics (infact lot of them) But not every vtubers must act like Rushia rping as Yandere girlfriend or drooling, sluring retard like Aqua and Miko. You, retard insistent of making everything to be like Hololive that make people misunderstand what parasocial really mean. I know twitchwhore is trying to poison the well and being hypocrit bitches but you make it worst.

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>>39865847
i kinda wanna watch ricky martin stream video games now. what would he play?

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>>39865987
I don't care if not everyone wants to be Rushia, that's fine. I do care about the twitch whores trying to ruin it by branding anything that isn't vshojo/niji tier shit as for parasocial schizos. That affects from the sound of it, anyone you like just as much as it does me.

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>>39864076
The profit made by jap otakus attracted twitch thots and they want a piece. But they lack skill so they scream what you like is bad

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>>39863727
I've come to a point where whenever I see the word being misused I will post the textbook definition of the word and telling the tourists to go back

[Anonymous No.]

>women become hypergamous and use newfound technology to flock to only the top 1% of chads on dating apps, leaving 99% of men forgotten and alone
>women use more newfound technology to whore themselves for money without actually needing to have sex by streaming
>lonely men flock to only the top 1% of streamers, leaving 99% of women forgotten and 1view
I wonder if it makes them mad?

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>>39864562
If she hates her job so much she should fucking quit

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>>39865962
Because if he acknowledged that both of these types of people are viewed as losers he'd lose the justification for his gender-based victim complex

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>>39864639
Yeah pickme accusation. Horrible word invented by roastie femcels tell people to stop enjoy things

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>>39866124
Yep, they should be using calarts avatars, plain and simple.

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>>39865271
You forgot they actively seek and destroy any vtuber don't do like what they say. Lots of dox happened

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>>39862920
when it comes to vtubers since en branches were created, parasocial content its a product for sell, western audiences and creators cant handle that content, they cant put a line between a character and her own persona for some reason.

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>>39862920
It started before vtubers, it started with livestreamers in general and the idea of someone "living vicariously through" a streamer or thinking that the streamer was their best friend and acting too personal with them. This WAS a thing, but obviously it muddied the idea of what "parasocial" actually meant to meaning only "the crazy guys who think the streamer is their best friend". Then the term was thrown around with vtubers and it shifted to meaning "unicorns" rather than best friend.
Basically it's a way for a streamer to not take responsibility for anything.

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>>39862920
From the fucking beginning?

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>>39865379
Just another attempt of cancelling traditional chubba. They provoked people, then use example of people angry (because of the provoke) to use as proof. Make some fake stories and invent new buzzwords to further provoke current fanbase even more

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>>39862920
when stacies started invading the hobby and demanded that simps donate to them while also being allowed to openly have a boyfriend

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>>39866498
Sometimes there is no persona. If the streamer is acting like a normal person and not like an anime character, why should there be a line?

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>>39865911
This. Ironic weebs brought idiocracy to other hobbies. Disgusting

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>>39866767
*No character

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>>39866235
Did you just assume the gender of all Ricky Martin fans? That's a cancellin'.

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>>39866163
Always happen to leddit tourists. Their education is a wondrous mess

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>>39864562

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>>39862920
I dont know, paratrooper school?

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>>39866767
I can see it in Vshojo

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>>39866767
No that's the point. The JP vtubers always put on an artificial persona or character, and the EN vtubers do this shit where it's literally no character or persona at all just "themselves" with an anime avatar, and then get upset when people get parasocial over "themselves" and not the character that they didn't fucking bother having the professionalism to act.

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>>39866767
There is a persona every time. Putting on a cute voice different from your own and playcating the masses frequently is part of the act you retard. It doesn't mean that everyone hates all their fans and wishes they weren't working as a vtuber, but more that there's always some level of act and more tolerance towards retarded/annoying shit because it's a job to them.

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>>39866163
Could you post the textbook definition please? I want to go back but have lost my way :,(

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>>39867149
>EN vtubers do this shit where it's literally no character or persona at all
>>39867213
>there's always some level of act
So which is it

[Anonymous No.]

is this the modern version of being called a poser when you don't know what the fuck the word even means.

[Anonymous No.]

Parasocial is bad.
Live streaming is inherently parasocial.
Therfore, live streaming is inherently bad.

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>>39866767
>why should there be a line?
Then why use an anime model?

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>>39867380
More effort always better of course

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>>39862920
You're not allowed to have fun, when will you learn anon.

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>>39867594
Because it's too hard to get into the 3DPD ewhore business, the competition is too fierce and only the top 1% of girls get all the millions of simps. Weebs aren't interested in 3DPD and abstain from that market. By putting on a 2D avatar you attack the weeb where he has no natural defenses, and suck money out of him without needing to compete with Belle Delphine or whatever freshly nubile 18 year old thot is taking everyone's dick these days while you're crusty old 25+ body can't stop getting older and older.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39867594
It looks cool, looks cute. Don't have to show the real face and can show a fake face instead. Maybe some more reasons I can't think of right now.

[Anonymous No.]

Gachikoi was always a thing only losers did, and it's older than vtubers, it isn't something the west created, they just gave it a different name

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>>39862920
I blame Vhojo

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>>39868159
>vhojo
Damn I'm gonna steal that lmao, how is that not their common name by now.

[Anonymous No.]

People are dumb.
Parasocial relationships are not inherently bad. Every person that watches tv, sports, movies, has them. It can be a problem if you become obsessive and it impacts your life. These are mostly dumb white women throwing around buzzwords to sound smart but are not

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>>39868159
I blame NijiEN, people like Enna go crazy with anything parasocial, then there was the whole thing with Reimu and Vox.

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>>39862920
Hey I learned a new word that sounds cool. You're parasocial, and you're parasocial, and you, andyou!

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>>39862920
it started originally because twitch streamers are greedy morons that barely care about their audience and just want to grind out low effort streams forever. and so when called out on that they call their audience and the audience of other streamers parasocial for expecting high quality streams where the streamer treats their audience with familiarity and respect.

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>>39868748
yeah it's more of their fault really, they spam male collabs I think more on average than vshojo. they seem to have styled themselves as the anti-Hololive despite also wanting to try to be Hololive if it gets them any Holo fans. which makes them look like a bunch of sour grapes sore losers.

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>>39868748
To be fair, NijiEn is the victim of misunderstanding and holokike trolling and forcing their culture on everyone.
>mixed gender collab is common in Nijisanji? Ok.
>why some of my fans are shrieking?
>omg is this what they call Parasocial? Omg, I hate parasocial.

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>>39868977
nijiEN explicitly tried to copy the shit out of HoloEN up until Luxiem debuted. paid for shill ads in HoloEN vods and everything. that's like a full half year worth in their year and a half long history.

not to mention even today about half of all people spotted in nijiEN chats are also seen in holoEN chats. it's not some insignificant chunk that's there for no reason, they're in fact the reason nijiEN is fucking anything at all is because they succeeded in siphoning off a bunch of holoEN fans to be two-timers.

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>>39869095
also forgot to finish my thought there, IMO it's because they so undeniably were trying to be a holoEN ripoff at first that they got insecure about this as they don't want to be seen as merely living in holo's shadow. so they keep trying to distinguish themselves. you're not allowed to go do your own thing as a nijiEN girl, you MUST collab spam with males, you MUST thumb your nose at the core Holo principles at all times etc. frankly, it's fucking pathetic.

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>>39868901

In what way they try to be Hololive? GFE? None of them reach Rushia level. ASMR? Hololive is not the only company who did that shit. Tell me, in what way? All female debut? Do you know the first Nijisanji wave were all female?
If anything, it was Hololive copied Nijisanji in many aspect. From Gamers, holofest, Bakatare. If there is anything that is original in Hololive is their closeknit gen.
>>39869095
>half of all people spotted in nijiEN chats are also seen in holoEN
>Hololive is gateway for newfag to vtubers.
>surprised why some Holofag in Nijis stream.
I think you have brain problem. Not even Japs have this severe tribal problem.

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>>39862920
I've never actually been 100% clear on what the term is supposed to mean as I've seen it used on /vt/. Someone redpill me?

[Anonymous No.]

>>39862920
HoloEN, or western vtubers in general.

[Anonymous No.]

Parasocial bad because it's another avenue for women to wring men from their money. It's based if men do it to women on the other hand.

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>>39862920
I wouldn't know, I've never had a parasocial relationship in my life.

Source: I am dating my (and your) oshi

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>>39871836

>>39863544
>>39863727
Last one probably best definition

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>>39862920
I dunno I don't concern myself on the incorrect opinion, all that matters is what is true.

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>>39871836
Parasocial essentially means that you feel an illusory level of social intimacy with a celebrity. All celebrities are parasocial to some degree. People becoming obsessed with the personal lives of celebrities, something that predates the internet, is parasocial behavior for example. Parasocial behavior can have relatively mild forms; if you brighten up when you hear your favorite vtuber, or laugh when they laugh, this is relatively benign and mild parasocial behavior.

The unhealthy manifestation of it comes from the more severe stuff. People literally feeling like a vtuber is their close friend, or feeling cucked when they get a boyfriend, is unhealthy parasocial behavior. While there are benign and relatively healthy manifestations of it, the vtuber community clearly has a lot of unhealthy parasocial behavior as well.

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>>39872332
It's only unhealthy when others do it.

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>>39872332
if you consider parasocial as psychological relationship experienced by an audience from performers, it doesn't actually only apply to positive experience; so basically antis are parasocial schizos

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>>39873283
I'm not sure what you mean by that, but if what you're saying is that someone experiencing hate towards a celebrity could be considered parasocial, then yes, absolutely. You can have a distaste for a celeb, but if it reaches a level of vitriolic hatred that should be reserved for someone who personally wronged you, badly, then that is absolutely parasocial.

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>>39865271
>wah boo hoo the culture
shut up you wapanese faggot
JP streamers attracts some of the weirdest fucking fans and stalkers which is part of why Cover has to be so strict about their talents personal info

[Anonymous No.]

>>39862920
SHONDO UOOOOOOOHHHH
CUTE AND FUNNY

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>>39863727
People don't realize that parasocial has a huge definition and that it basically means including someone into your life, even if it's just your imagination.
Ever think about a cashier you had before and think about them the next time you go to the store, hoping you'd see them? That's parasocial.
Businesses tell their employees to be surface level friendly specifically because parasocial = more sales, old people love being parasocial with minimum wage workers.

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>>39875432
I can never see Shondo as a loli knowing she’s an adult woman and pretty tall too, I know people say she behaves like she’s 12 but that’s every woman
But honestly that’s why I like her

[Anonymous No.]

Parasocial just became the way for chubas to say "incel" without actually saying it. Because they know if they start throwing that word around they will get eviscerated due to the fact that the core paying audience of vtubers is lonely men.

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>>39874708
Not sure why you’re pissed at me lmao, I didn’t say boo hoo the culture at all
I just explained that the term “parasocial” in such a usage was driven by people trying to get into vtubing without understanding it’s culture
If you want my 2 cents on vtuber culture I think creators could maybe make it a bit more clear where the line is but honestly everyone deep down should know that it is a performance

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>>39862920
When Rushia was terminated.

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>>39874708
Also westerners have no shortage of schizoid fans themselves lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>39862920
When Vox's chink fujos attacked Reimu for being in his stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>39876093
You'd be surprised, most incels don't consider themselves incels, some of the ugliest men in the world that have gone their entire life dateless smugly call other men incels when they are whiteknighting for some egirl

[Anonymous No.]

When the bathtub whores wanted all the pros and none of the cons of catering to their sad Turkish coomer fucks. It's only been relatively recently this shit's been making it's way into vtubing with the advent of opportunistic normies and the ruination they bring, along with Twitter's entire rainbow parade of fuck-uppery.

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>>39862920
After boyfriend yabs.

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>>39862920
When the twitch and twitter crowd noticed vtubers are gaining popularity and being jp and anime, it's of course weird and bad, compared to their "normal" twitch whore and twitter e-celebs.
Parasocial relationships were always a thing and sometimes turned problematic, but the whole thing being called out as "parasocial relationships" in a big style only started when vtubers gained jp vtubers gained traction. Even today, how often do you see those words in context to fleshtubers who act like friendly bro-buddies playing games or slightly less nude camgirls, despite weird viewer give and take stuff happening there quite a bit more often?
Not a whole lot, but if its jp vtubers it's all "parasocial relationships" and "Ooh, remember the problematic idol culture? Won't no one mention the problematic idol culture?!". What's even more laughable about this is, that quite a few of the usual twitch streamers called that out and then turned around to become vtubers once it was popular enough, to do exactly what they called the original vtubers out for.
It's was pretty much part of the usual rite of normalfags discovering something niche people had fun with without bothering anyone, trying to smother it for no reason but to feel better about themselves using vague pseudo-morality and once that stays popular in spite of it, trying to get in on it and then act like they own the place and shit it all up to suit themselves.

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>>39862920
Wasn't it because of some twitter shitter this year? And then it spread like wildfire because why the fuck would some retarded take on twitter not spread these days?

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>>39862920
i think originally it mostly referred to the handful of individuals posting ultra cringe or scary uncomfortable shit. the legit psychos. but now it seems like when a significant portion of a vtubers audience has an opinion about the direction of her content that the streamer does not agree with she will call them parasocial because you are supposed to shut up and like whatever she does, even though you could argue that in itself is parasocial.

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>>39862920
since twitter trannies infested everything

[Anonymous No.]

What really bugs me is some retard going into Shondo's chat, someone who sells herself purely on being parasocial, and saying that

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>>39866767
The line is important for both the audience and the performer. It makes a line between fiction/reality and the character/person.

In the 70s there was a show called the Brady Bunch and some children would run away from home to live with the Brady Bunch that was shown in the tv show. The distinction between tv show and reality was difficult for some children to understand.

For the performer both the fans and the antis can be overwhelming. When you don't have a persona or character if someone doesn't like the show or the performance you experience the crowds disapproval personally. If someone doesn't like your character or the performace it's just feedback on the show.

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Seventeen years ago when we were telling you not to be swayed by the LiveJasmin hussies and took you on raids to mess with them and show you their tricks.
Well, not literally you who's reading this post. You're too new for that. That's why you get swept up by it.

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>>39878355
you mean she won't walk away from her long time fans and donaters if that random twitterfag says it's bad? I really like the bags she has under her eyes

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>>39862920
Time for ojisan's story.

Around 15 years ago I started using Facebook. I would write the occasional post, comment under my friends' posts, like some pictures, you know the drill. But in my mind I was already confusing my list of Facebook friends with my actual social circle.

It all dawned on me one fatal night, when I went to a concert with a bunch of friends-of-friends, whom I had been in contact through Facebook almost daily. I considered them more or less regular friends (not best friends, but not mere acquaintances.) But when we met again in person, it turned out they barely recognized me or remembered who I was.

This was a cold shower to me. I was tech savvy, but I was not socially savvy enough to manage a tool like Facebook safely. (Totally on me, by the way, due to being a bit aspie.) So I deleted that profile and I haven't mixed social media with IRL friends ever again.

At the time I did not have a name for it, but that was a parasocial experience. Those friends-of-friends were slightly more famous than me (they had their own 1-view indie band) and therefore any interaction we might have had online was necessarily asymmetrical, which is the definition of parasocial.

In any case, like all other things, when you know it and understand it, parasocial relationships can be nice. Nowadays I like having them with vtubers (esp. 2 views) but I know full well that the most I can expect from them is maybe having my username recognized every once in a while. If you know what to expect, you won't get hurt and you won't misplace your real life priorities.

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>>39866172
Probably but >we are still alone in that situation whereas the "forgotten" women still have that first option for fulfilment. It only fucks over the grifters.

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the only way to solve the parasocial problem are IRL fan meet-ups (excluding the vtuber) and small grassroots vtuber conventions

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>>39878355
Probably knows what she did with her mod...

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>>39863544
nigger parasocial was a thing before mainstream internet, ask your parents if they know about the term and they'll tell you how it was a thing with people watching sitcom

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So many people thinking that vtubing is in any way related to the idea that being parasocial is bad.

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>>39864562
Noob question:
What does L ratio mean?
Is that "Like Ratio"?

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>>39889274
L = you are a loser
Ratio = I have my likes on my tweets than you

Yes it is that retarded

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>>39876476
this gave it a lot of attention, at least in the vtuber sphere, everyone in twitter wanted a say in it even when information about it was so fragmented you could hardly paint a picture.

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>>39862986
Nyanners and Vei are very good at parasocial shit, even with boyfriends.

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>>39862920
i have nothing against parasocial relationships, but the problem with streamers like shondo is that they do not understand that there's a power imbalance between her and her viewers, and her not understanding that unironically causes viewers to get hurt - as pathetic as that may sound. for that reason it is unhealthy, just not in the way the spergfags think.

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>>39888070
I've seen chat. I don't want to meet those people. And I'm not sure their parents would let them anyway.

>>39890526
shondo filters for the least socially adept and feeds on them.