Tell me honestly. When compared to the rest of Nijisanji, how is NijiEN doing? Are they growing fast? Are they slow? Or are they just about average? Does other Nijisanji talent get any boost after NijiEN debut?

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Anonymous Sun May 23 23:29:28 2021 No.4116711 [DELETED]

Tell me honestly. When compared to the rest of Nijisanji, how is NijiEN doing? Are they growing fast? Are they slow? Or are they just about average? Does other Nijisanji talent get any boost after NijiEN debut?

Anonymous Sun May 23 23:39:39 2021 No.4117011
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They've already beaten Noor's numbers in terms of NijiIN subs in the span of a week, they get more views during their streams than most JPs do, and they're already more popular than most of talents in the ID/KR branches. They're doing fine, Elira herself is already on track to get 100k subs soon.
They don't have Hololive numbers, but that's an absolute anomally in terms of streaming general. The ENs still have numbers and a growth rate that most people would kill for.

Anonymous Sun May 23 23:50:20 2021 No.4117281

>>4116711
if you compare them to hololive, no they are not that fast, and their live viewers are similar to holoIDs.
when compared to the rest of nijisanji, they are actually doing quite well, surpassing the majority of NijiIDs. boost for the other nijis? nah. barely any. they need to do actual collab to get boost from nijiEN, especially the IDs.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 23 23:51:36 2021 No.4117310 Compared to other Nijis, pretty decent Compared to their competitors? Lmao no

Anonymous Sun May 23 23:54:18 2021 No.4117391

>>4116711
Compared to the rest of Nijisanji, they're actually growing the fastest. The fastest to 100k subs was Sukoya in 39 days. Elira is on track to hit 100k in around 3 weeks assuming she slows down a bit from as the week goes on.

As for members in the JP branch, it's hard to tell. I don't think the growing popularity of Niji males in the west has much to do with NijiEN, and it seems like most people in the thread that came from Holo already had 1 or 2 Nijis they watched. If there is an increase, it doesn't seem to be that significant. We'll have to see if EN ever collabs with JP and what language they use, since I'm quite certain Pomu's and Elira's Japanese is better than most of JP's English.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 23 23:54:31 2021 No.4117398 >>4117281 Hana is at like 2-3x her usual viewers right now after one of the EN girls tweeted it I guess.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 23 23:57:52 2021 No.4117505 >>4117011 >>4117281 >>4117310 Why bring up hololive? I literally asked about nijisanji only. I didn't mention hololive anywhere in my post...

>>	Anonymous Sun May 23 23:58:38 2021 No.4117532 They're doing just fine. NijiJP probably doesn't get any boosts. The community around Nijisanji is way looser than the Hololive community.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 23 23:59:51 2021 No.4117593 >>4116711 Above the normal average. Plus they are all cute so that's a plus

Anonymous Mon May 24 00:00:16 2021 No.4117605

They're Nijisanji's most successful branch immediately after debut. Even more successful than any of the JP wave debuts were.

Now I'm not sure what management expected because they might've been retarded and thought it'd be like HoloEN, but if they had reasonable expectations then NijiEN is very successful.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 00:01:11 2021 No.4117637 >>4117391 FWIW Meiro got to 100k in 32 days and Chigusa in 39 days as well.

Anonymous Mon May 24 00:01:27 2021 No.4117647

>>4117281
If you mean the high end of HoloID then yeah. Maybe in a week or two after their honeymoon phase completely dies down and they don't really incline they'll be similar.

Last 15 video averages for HoloID are
Reine - 1664
Ollie - 1650
Moona - 1358
Risu - 957
Anya - 900
Iofi - 826

NijiEN's averages are (also because someone pointed it out last time, this doesn't include their debuts + intro 2.0, which playboard doesn't have the data for)
Elira - 2415
Pomu - 1649
Finana - 1551

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 00:02:11 2021 No.4117676 >>4117605 I'm sure none of the management are that retarded. They must have known that HoloEN popularity was because of the situation they were in and it would be hard to replicate it when they entered the EN market so late.

Anonymous Mon May 24 00:02:36 2021 No.4117693

>>4117637
Both Meiro and Chigusa took 44 days. I honestly thought it was Meiro too. Unless the wiki miscounted or something.

https://wikiwiki.jp/nijisanji/%E3%83%A1%E3%83%B3%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC%E3%83%87%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BF%E4%B8%80%E8%A6%A7/%E3%83%81%E3%83%A3%E3%83%B3%E3%83%8D%E3%83%AB%E7%99%BB%E9%8C%B2%E8%80%85%E6%95%B0

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 00:02:38 2021 No.4117698 >>4117505 >Compared to other Nijis, pretty decent >Compared to their competitors? Lmao no ? I don't see any mention of Holo there?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 00:04:28 2021 No.4117783 >>4117505 Hololive is what made NijiEN happen in the first place so it's only natural.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 00:04:50 2021 No.4117800 >>4117698 It's obvious who he hinted at.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 00:07:58 2021 No.4117912 >>4117800 It's probably just your own biases auto-filling Hololive into any mention of competitors my guy.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 00:08:56 2021 No.4117960 >>4117647 Were HoloID viewers always this low? I was under impression that they were really popular, like EN, given that they all have over 300k subs or so.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 00:10:34 2021 No.4118020 >>4116711 They are doing ogey

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 00:23:21 2021 No.4118450 >>4117960 Depends on the type of streams, but no, not even Ollie or Moona who are like the most popular IDs in the business get half of EN numbers.

Anonymous Mon May 24 00:47:21 2021 No.4119303

>>4117693
Ok so I didn't check Chigusa but the wiki says it takes the time from the moment of the debut... whatever that means.

Meiro reached 100k subs on August 13th https://twitter.com/meiro_oO/status/1293922432911212544

Her debut stream was on July 11th https://twitter.com/meiro_oO/status/1281900361804988421 which would make it 33 days and is what I based it on (but I said 32 because I can't count)
But what the wiki takes is the day they were announced https://twitter.com/nijisanji_app/status/1277799511281135616 June 30th, which does make it 44 days until 100k.

And that is actually a bit unfair, Sukoya reached 100k on October 28th https://youtu.be/lotj-H2GHD4?t=3744 with her being announced on September 19th https://twitter.com/nijisanji_app/status/1174519090402095107 which indeed makes it 39 days but her debut stream was on September 21st https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pgLL4ROLqI just 2 days after the announcement, while you can see in Meiro's case her debut stream was 11 days after she was announced.

So if we take it from the debut stream Meiro was the fastest (33 days against Sukoya's 37). If we take it from the day they were announced then it is what the wiki says.

Anonymous Mon May 24 00:58:41 2021 No.4119695

>>4119303
I believe the wiki uses that date because that's when the channel becomes open to the public so people can start subbing. The debut is a pretty big event for earning subs though, no coincidence that both hit 50k pretty much right after. Either way, Elira is mostly on track to be the fastest by a decent margin.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 01:02:11 2021 No.4119792 >>4117647 >Reine is actually the top HoloEN She deserves it, but I honestly I didn't expect it.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 01:12:11 2021 No.4120052 >>4117960 The ID debuff is real and incredibly powerful. They'd all have at least 1-2k more regular viewers if thy switched to only EN and the occasional JP to do outside collabs.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 01:25:32 2021 No.4120454 >>4117647 yeah. we will have to see if NijiEN can keep growing or not

Anonymous Mon May 24 01:35:36 2021 No.4120792

>>4117647
why are you using the last 15 videos, when nijiEN doesn't even have 15 videos? also it really dragged moona's numbers down because last week she played yakuza and AC to like 500 viewers, those are not her usual numbers, she only got those when she streams a long ass RPG.

Anonymous Mon May 24 01:41:37 2021 No.4121015

>>4120792
Because a bigger sample size is better to give a riugh estimate of their average performance
>noooo don't pick the debuff streams those don't count
Might as well start cherrypick everything and just turn this into the usual numberfag shitfling then

Anonymous Mon May 24 01:42:23 2021 No.4121042
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>>4117011
More views than most JPs? I don't think so. I counted it and most are above them. With that said, yes, they are above KR and ID.

>>4117310
That's not decent, that's great.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 01:46:29 2021 No.4121207 >>4121015 then compare their stream this week, nijiEN also just completed their first week as streamer.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 01:46:34 2021 No.4121212 >>4117960 They have awkward stream hours to target EOPs.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 02:11:39 2021 No.4121918 >>4117647 i don't know why this guy use 15 videos instead of comparing it on weekly basis, here is ID's Numbers For this week : Reine 2436 ollie 1707 moona 1613 NijiEN average for the week Elira - 2415 Pomu - 1649 Finana - 1551

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 07:38:04 2021 No.4127443 With their rapid growth right now, where do you see they will be a month from now?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 07:39:55 2021 No.4127468 >>4127443 Elira will break 100k next month

Anonymous Mon May 24 07:48:26 2021 No.4127573

>>4127443
Don't know. Its really hard to gauge just how long the Honeymoon period will be for NijiEn, especially with HoloVsingers looming. It's really important for them to gather as many gachikoi's as they can cause you can't tell how many of their current viewership will switch to the new shiny thing once it pops-up.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 07:59:49 2021 No.4127785 >>4127443 Honeymoon period. Their growth will slow down massively in the next month.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 08:05:48 2021 No.4127912 >>4127443 In terms of viewers it'll be relatively the same, it won't have the massive drops like HoloEN had since the people who are watching are most likely the ones that are gonna stick around.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 08:09:31 2021 No.4127977 >>4117800 They're also getting mogged by Vshojo and several indies.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 08:19:37 2021 No.4128215 >>4127977 Not if they start the collab train next month. Choo choo motherfucker.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 08:21:24 2021 No.4128263 >>4116711 they are doing well i think. honestly niji en is better than expected but they should play more weeby games. as of today, all those games they play are casual as fuck.

Anonymous Mon May 24 08:22:17 2021 No.4128282

They're already the fastest growing foreign branch and as already discussed in this thread, they're probably gonna break the Niji record for fastest 100K subs.
>>4127443
Depends on how they're favored by the algorithm. Niji is still pretty much unheard of in the west, so they could maintain enough growth to cancel out the drop from the honeymoon phase expiring.
Even if they do slow down over the coming months, they may catch second wind in the future if some clip goes viral or something, and since Anycolor loves pumping out new streamers, there's always the possibility that they'll strike gold and debut someone who blows up and revitalizes interest in the branch as a whole.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 08:32:23 2021 No.4128534 >>4128282 honestly I dont think even a colab with holoen could stay the course, they arent that much different

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 09:10:14 2021 No.4129524 >>4128282 >Niji is still pretty much unheard of in the west They really need clippers. Lots of clippers.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 09:18:18 2021 No.4129722 >>4129524 im doing my part for the EN branch but i cant seem to please the algoritm (and also i can barely read nihongo)

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 09:35:03 2021 No.4130178 >>4121918 Now that's more like it, thanks anon

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 09:37:00 2021 No.4130230 >>4127977 Vshoujo is in a different platform, no way will the twitch audience migrate to Youtube just for Niji

Anonymous Mon May 24 09:46:38 2021 No.4130493

>>4129524
They need more than just clippers. They need the popular clippers that get a lot of views consistently to get eyes drawn to them. Any odd clipper won't matter unless they're consistent and then MAYBE the algorithm will grace them.

But it's a monkey's paw because the thing that will mostly likely get clipped by them is something sexual for the nth time and a chat filled with horny (if it's not that already) because sex sells.

Anonymous Mon May 24 09:50:34 2021 No.4130606

>>4121015
Because Playboard only uses the last 15 numbers, and it's quicker than going to poi to add up everything. I can understand if you want a larger sample size, but there's no point cherry picking for a smaller one. You can easily similarly complain about how Reine this week had 3 collabs, or how room review was the only stream to break 2k that was a non-collab.

Here, if anyone wants the numbers for the month. Also on the same larger sample size point, Reine is the only one of the 3 who streamed more than 15 times this month. So monthly is an even smaller sample size than Playboard's last 15.
Ollie - 1826
Reine - 1504
Moona - 1249

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 09:51:37 2021 No.4130629 >>4130606 Meant for >>4121918

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 09:54:20 2021 No.4130684 >>4130493 I don't think Finana would mind having a horny chat.

Anonymous Mon May 24 10:03:45 2021 No.4130890

>>4130606
if you're going to compare holoid and nijien use similar amount of sample size within the same time frame aka THIS WEEK, nijiEN hasn't even here for a month, why comparing their numbers for the month?
fact of the matter is nijiEN can barely compete with holoid and this is with debut buff, do you want to compare their debut week with holoid? of course you don't, because it would be a slaughter. engrain this in your memeory, if you want to numberfag you will never win against hololive, know you your place you nijiniggers.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 10:05:54 2021 No.4130933 >>4116711 They are low-middle tier niji >>4121042

Anonymous Mon May 24 10:06:21 2021 No.4130945

>How is NijiEN doing
I guess if you broad brush it they are doing well but I can't say that I'm not disappointed in their numbers. Perhaps I was expecting too much but I was hoping to see something at least somewhat close to HoloEN. Maybe even around 4-5k which would be about half of what the typical HoloEN gets (discounting Gura of course who is an anomaly). Instead they are barely getting over 1k and that will most likely only go lower as the honeymoon period expires.

Anonymous Mon May 24 10:07:32 2021 No.4130972

>>4130890
Because we're taking the average. There's no upside to comparing similar sample sizes from a data purity perspective. Just because you lack sample size on one, which I did qualify by saying they're still in the honeymoon phase, that doesn't mean you get rid of your samples for the other.

You seem desperate to be a tribalfag and put HoloID above NijiEN, when I've said nothing about the comparison except show numbers.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 10:12:17 2021 No.4131093 >>4129524 The only NijiEn clips that show up for me are the fucking SHEEEEESH that Elira makes. Clips are also being uploaded on Twitter but I dont know if those reach people outside the fanbase just like with youtube.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 10:15:16 2021 No.4131172 >>4130890 Lmao like how holofags started crying when iwanaga numbgerfagged them against eva? Imagine being the biggest numberfag fanbase and having to say "wait no, not those numbers, only these ones that we picked"

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 10:18:23 2021 No.4131265 >>4130890 >broken english >numberfagging >tribalfagging just tick all the boxes why don't you

Anonymous Mon May 24 10:23:53 2021 No.4131441

>>4130945
Why in the world would they get that many viewers? Where would they come from? Nijisanji lost all presence in the West after mid-2020. You can't brag about not having retarded EOPs in your chats and expect retarded EOPs to watch your overseas chuubas at the same time.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 10:35:16 2021 No.4131773 >>4131441 This This is also why it would be good for HoloEN to never collab with them and basically just flat out ignore them. Don't give your dying competition any exposure at all. Total domination.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 10:40:11 2021 No.4131936 >>4131172 You should've seen the thread comparing Kuzuha's and Gura's RE VIII numbers. So much cope it's unreal. >D-Doesn't count! >M-Manjisanji!

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 10:42:08 2021 No.4131997 >>4131773 If HoloEN-Vshojo collabs can happen, HoloEN-NijiEN collabs are inevitable. Sorry, anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 10:45:04 2021 No.4132106 >>4131936 Gura RE VIII: 1,155,335 views Kuzuha RE VIII: 545,084 views I now understand why the Kuzuha fans would complain about these numbers. Really big victory for Gura here.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 10:45:45 2021 No.4132120 >>4132106 >N-Not THOSE numbers!

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 10:47:37 2021 No.4132168 >>4131997 Vshojo isn't really competition for HoloEN though. They have a totally different audience and they stream on a completely different platform. NijiEN is direct competition.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 10:47:54 2021 No.4132179 >>4131997 Can we get HoloEN-NijiJP collabs instead? Or have KR's Bora carry Ame?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 10:48:52 2021 No.4132202 >>4131936 >M-Manjisanji I know it's 1 or 2 schizos trying to spread this around here, but I'm not going to lie. I laugh every time I read it, lol

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 10:50:04 2021 No.4132237 >>4132202 It also doesn't really make sense, since only like 1/5th of Nijisanji are guys.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 10:50:05 2021 No.4132238 >>4132106 kek gooora.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 10:50:31 2021 No.4132253 >>4130890 Seethe indog

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 10:51:10 2021 No.4132266 File: 234 KB, 850x1089, __belmond_banderas_nijisanji_drawn_by_sakino_shingetsu__sample-4e04d0c4aca9372ab8af53da84f08bdf.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4132202 Manjisanji sound awesome desu. I hope En get their own Belmond Banderas.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 10:51:27 2021 No.4132274 >>4132237 the one that people mostly watch are male others are female literally who.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 10:51:34 2021 No.4132277 >>4132202 Japan memes

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 10:52:35 2021 No.4132298 >>4132237 Its not about guys.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 10:55:02 2021 No.4132394 >>4132274 Inui Toko, Lize Helesta, Higuchi Kaede, Tsukino Mito, Sasaki Saku, Honma Himawari, Ange Katrina, Apex Chihiro and Suzuhara Lulu are not literal who you know?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 10:56:39 2021 No.4132456 >>4132237 It’s a 5ch nickname. It’s referring to how the men in Nijisanji are a lot more popular than the females. Whether that’s true or not I don’t know, I don’t follow Nijisanji JP too much.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 10:56:55 2021 No.4132463 >>4132202 No gonna lie, it sounds hella cool though

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 10:58:18 2021 No.4132510 >>4132394 Rin.... You forgot Shiina

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 10:59:23 2021 No.4132559 >>4132202 >>4132237 it's been proven over and over again that their males chuba cannibalized their females chuba to grow bigger while the females recline hard. the females in nijisanji is nothing but fodders for the males.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 11:00:05 2021 No.4132595 >>4132394 Baiting falseflagger

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 11:00:17 2021 No.4132604 >>4132463 Because its Manji (卍) sanji (or was it Nijimanji) and manji is cool.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 11:02:16 2021 No.4132684 >>4132394 who.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 11:04:09 2021 No.4132769 >>4132394 You aren't really proving your point. I have no idea who any of those people are.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 11:04:32 2021 No.4132786 >>4132684 My wives.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 11:06:03 2021 No.4132858 >>4132786 based. i still don't know who. glad you like them tho.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 11:08:53 2021 No.4133006 >>4132858 Mito had fans on /jp/ back in the old days when 4kings+oyabun were still alive. Lulu had EOP/ESL fans on /jp/ last year (bigger compared to the other girls) but the break and HoloEN probably caused those to decrease.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 11:27:16 2021 No.4133778 >>4132559 At your favourite matome sites? Bet you believe any shit posted there just because it's in Japanese.

Anonymous Mon May 24 11:34:35 2021 No.4134074
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>>4132559
>Ars is more popular than Ebio
>Gundou is more popular than Kanda
>Ririmu is more popular than Kou
>Ange and Sasaki are more popular than Belmond
>Chaika is the least-subbed member of Nijisanji Resistance
>Only 2 of the top 10 most subbed Nijis are guys
Yeah, no. That's not a rule.
Whenever a Nijiguy is above a Nijigirl he collabs with, it's well-deserved.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 11:38:32 2021 No.4134218 >>4132559 Look at top 20 streamers in Niji. It's split basically 50/50.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 11:38:51 2021 No.4134227 >>4134074 NNNOOOOO MY RRATS

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 11:39:36 2021 No.4134246 >>4133778 https://note.com/ppoch/n/na812d929a7d4 Its a theory by nijiniggers themself

Anonymous Mon May 24 11:50:02 2021 No.4134559

>>4116711
I will talk about the perspective from Japan.

In Japan, the girls have already been forgotten.
The buzz has simply gone away in a week.
The amount of clippings is low, and most importantly, Japanese fans don't care much about them (though they all have a low distribution).
It seems like the appeal didn't work so well with the Japanese language study. They knew too much about Japan.
I get the impression that all three of them are limited in their collaborations by further thinning out the almost identical holo-live en chiara.
She has the advantage of being able to speak both Japanese and English, but she's in the range of "too bad at the game," "no impact," and "few interesting parts to cut out," as is common with less popular lifers and holomen.
These can be solved by continuing, and I think it's the difference in experience ability as a streamer. The amateurishness is conveyed even if the language is different, so improvement is necessary.
Just getting buzzed again makes a big difference. And to get buzz, you have to distribute a lot. There is still hope.

On the Japanese forums, people appreciate the fact that I do something other than APEX, and many people bring up Pom, who has a lot of distributions because Japanese lifers don't distribute much either.
But this is undeniably a minor segment of Nijiji fans.

This is a very personal opinion, but I think that top class players such as Pocketbook and Kenmochi should get involved with EN because they are less likely to be scandalized by the fact that they are overseas women.
To top it off, it's mahjong and street fighter. They continue to develop too much for Japan.

Nijisanji EN does not currently interact with JP.
On the other hand, I feel strongly about the fact that NijiSanji is known overseas, for example, when I look at 4chan.
If Nijiji JP remains indifferent as it is now, EN will overtake the majority.
But
If Nijiji JP remains indifferent as it is now, EN will overtake the others.
It's not the same as Hololive.
We need to unite and make things happen, but I think Nijiji will remain oblivious to this.

Anonymous Mon May 24 11:55:54 2021 No.4134724

>>4134559
For all the Trinity shitposts, having only 3 members in your gen feels a little cramped. It really cuts down on the variety of 1:1 collabs and interactions. Ina/Kiara is one of my favorite duos and they haven't technically collabed 1:1 in months. But on the flip side having them branch out early means they don't form a strong gen identity. I'd argue having a strong gen dynamic is helpful both as a fallback and gives viewers a well defined entry point into the hobby: I have a favorite, and I can keep reasonably utd on their genmates, without knowing the years of backstory on the 50 other girls/guys.

Of course in theory NijiEN forming bonds with HoloEN would be the easiest way forward in some ways, but I don't see that happening.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 11:56:48 2021 No.4134753 >>4132168 Holos and Nijis collab all the time, dude.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 11:57:44 2021 No.4134783 >>4134246 nijibros, how do we explain this?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 11:59:16 2021 No.4134828 >>4134559 >They knew too much about Japan. I feel this is a real detriment. Look at Iofi/Anya and Reine. Its fun seeing people learn new culture, especially your own.

Anonymous Mon May 24 11:59:53 2021 No.4134851

>>4134246
Anon...
This was written April 2020. Even if his theory held any validity, it's rubbish just by the fact that he shows 0 relevant data, and he can't see a year into the future. Also this is just the same guy who wrote the "Niji is declining" note.

>>4134559
You know, it's always hard to tell if these "Japanese" posts are just people larping, which it is most of the time.

>We need to unite and make things happen, but I think Nijiji will remain oblivious to this.
What makes you think EN won't collab with JP in the future? Also why do you think people should be forced to interact just to put up numbers? You complain about how NijiJP continues to focus too much on JP, but they also play plenty of games that clearly aren't JP specific. Kuzuha himself probably already has one of the largest EN fanbases out of NijiJP.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 12:03:22 2021 No.4134943 >>4134753 Most people won't know unless the collab is on a Holo channel. Like I didn't know this happened until recently: https://youtu.be/kodrpXssVl4 and yes, I know Sana is not Holo/Niji.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 12:04:24 2021 No.4134972 >>4132202 >manjisanji >manji is swastika in moonrune based nijichad

Anonymous Mon May 24 12:04:45 2021 No.4134978

>>4134559
>On the other hand, I feel strongly about the fact that NijiSanji is known overseas, for example, when I look at 4chan.
This is your mistake. 4chan doesn't even make up 1% of the western Vtuber fanbase. "Known overseas" is not the same as "will watch" either.

Anonymous Mon May 24 12:05:58 2021 No.4135005

>>4134851
I think he would be right if this was old Niji. Current Niji knows global is important. They've got that song coming with singers from every branch right? Most of Kuzuha's viewers are males but most of his EN fanbase are fujos. Whether due to ChroNoir or if they came from utaite collabs.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 12:06:48 2021 No.4135023 >>4134559 ok Chang

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 12:07:59 2021 No.4135052 >>4134559 Any Niji/Holo seeking non-JP viewers needs to learn that APEX is not a draw outside of Japan.

Anonymous Mon May 24 12:14:06 2021 No.4135188

>>4134559
>people appreciate the fact that I do something other than APEX
They're playing APEX this week.

Either way I don't think the EN girls ever had a chance of getting popular in japan outside of becoming a small fad.
Collabs with their JP senpai will surely bring in new viewers, but in my opinion they really need to focus on the EN market first and foremost, the big question is how.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 12:18:42 2021 No.4135306 >>4135188 >people appreciate the fact that I do something other than APEX This is a small number by the way. JPs like ENs have people who complain about MC and APEX streams but dont watch other games either.

Anonymous Mon May 24 12:18:53 2021 No.4135308
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>>4135188
>they really need to focus on the EN market first and foremost, the big question is how
it's futile, their growth will completely be halted once gen 2 debut with pic related guy in it

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 12:20:12 2021 No.4135330 >>4135308 Get a clip or stream that goes viral. If one of them is hot, fake an accidental face reveal. Do a marathon stream or something.

Anonymous Mon May 24 12:21:38 2021 No.4135350

>>4134559
>Nijisanji EN does not currently interact with JP.
they tweet at each other, they even got a lulu tweet
also, your posting style is too obvious, you seem deluded and think that this board is large when in fact its the same 300 people every day.

Anonymous Mon May 24 12:27:23 2021 No.4135488

>>4135330
>clip
most clippers are simps they do it to show their devotion for their oshi, nijisanji doesn't have this simp culture, nobody want to clip niji's stream for free.
hololive moment the clipper channel that kick start the entire thing, the reason why they did it was because zhangs wants people to take notice to their oshis

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 12:27:36 2021 No.4135493 >>4134559 >I do something other than APEX Do you even watch nijiJP? Seem like larping to me

Anonymous Mon May 24 12:27:41 2021 No.4135495

>>4135188
The answer is always exposure and time. Not only did Holo have first-mover advantage here, they also still have to contend with Vshoujo. Also, they have to put up numbers by not splitting their viewer base, like for the first collab. Similarly to how 3Ds or huge events draw tons of people, they need a much larger event. Problem is, I think he's right that since unlike Holo, who had a large enough EN base at the start, Niji is going to need a ton of JP help to have the algorithm push their videos, or put up a huge event.

In a similar vein, they really need to somehow coordinate all their social media into an event and learn how to build hype instead of announcing an event, then only put out a tweet 10 minutes after the event has started. Twitter/Youtube are pretty much their only viable methods of social media currently if you don't count the chan boards, and it seems like they refuse to use the former to it's capacity.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 12:28:42 2021 No.4135523 >>4135488 >muh chinks made hololive popular get a new rrat, chang

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 12:30:11 2021 No.4135557 >>4135523 it's the truth, cope

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 12:32:39 2021 No.4135619 >>4135188 Unless they’re Master or Predator levels, Apex isn’t gonna win over the JP crowd.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 12:34:15 2021 No.4135654 >>4135619 Pomu and Elira probably have never played a first person shooter before, particularly Pomu. Finana might be good enough to be a mediocre player. Maybe.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 12:35:46 2021 No.4135695 >>4135488 >nijisanji doesn't have this simp culture, nobody want to clip niji's stream for free. Lulu...

Anonymous Mon May 24 12:36:05 2021 No.4135703

>>4135488
>>4135523
>>4135557
Hololive Moment is important and so were CN fans but the start were bandaids and nigga for clips. Scatman isn't a subbed clip. Azur Lane doesn't get enough credit for getting early subbers (whether SEA or west) into Hololive.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 12:38:57 2021 No.4135786 >>4135619 Nah, Diamond is enough. Just have to attract viewers during PR Cup and other similar events. >>4135695 Lulu for corns, Lize for gachikoi and some corns.

Anonymous Mon May 24 12:45:34 2021 No.4135994

>>4135330
This is HUGE and can not be overstated. Holo has a powerful grip on their fans that Niji just can't equal. You have dedicated clipper channels for individual holos where their only focus is clipping thier oshi, and they do it for free. Niji doesn't habe this and has to offer to pay people just to get clips.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 12:47:54 2021 No.4136069 >>4135994 You can monetise subbed clips. Easy money if you can hit monetisation. Even noticed people "subbing" clips that were subbed last year. They just do a few edits and upload.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 12:49:49 2021 No.4136126 >>4136069 Well yeah, what I meant was that they are doing it on their own and Cover isn't paying them for the free advertisment.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 12:51:41 2021 No.4136181 >>4134559 みんなはホロENの急上昇が異常って忘れてるにじさんじって海外ではそれほど人気じゃないし、にじENはその割りにすでにいい成果を出している気長にその成長を見守った方がいいと思う。人気の切り抜き、企画、歌、ライバーの第二、三弾とか出たらもっと目を引くし、いつかは海外のvファンのみんなはにじENとにじさんじのことを知るようになるだろう

Anonymous Mon May 24 12:52:10 2021 No.4136194

>>4135994
There's been a dedicated clipper channel for Elira since day one, with some pretty good editing and decent view counts, which could be contributing factor to why she's ahead of the other two: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUlOQjbZEvNLtk5Fej5-aew/videos

I've seen a few Pomu-dedicated clipper channels pop up as well, but they haven't really hit the algorithm yet.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 12:54:48 2021 No.4136259 >>4136181 Will there still be foreign vtuber fans by then tho? COVID is still a thing now but what after?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 12:57:40 2021 No.4136338 >>4135523 its absolutely true, that's why they thought they were going to own cover by deleting all their clips when the chinkening happened. maybe it would have worked too, if they still had the influence they had 6 months before. too slow, bugmen

Anonymous Mon May 24 13:07:16 2021 No.4136589

>>4135994
>>4136194
nijiEN still can create simp culture exclusively within their own branch, just don't include male in gen 2. it still not to late.
if nijisanji keep insisting on a mixed branch, those clippers will be gone once their ''queen'' does off collab with men.

Anonymous Mon May 24 13:10:48 2021 No.4136680

>>4136259
Personally, I see vtubers as just a new kind of streamer.
On a scale where 1 is a faceless streamer, 3 is an avatar streamer, and 10 is a facecam streamer, vtubers are like a 5.
Streamers won't lose all of their audiences when the pandemic ends and neither will vtubers because there will now always be people who prefer streamers with an anime aesthetic.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 13:11:04 2021 No.4136689 >>4136194 Elira seems pretty chill. If I knew how to clip I'd do some Pomu ones, since somehow her exploding a coffee can on herself still hasn't been clipped in its entirety.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 13:11:05 2021 No.4136691 >>4136589 This Manjiniggers don't want to admit it but having males interact with females has massively hurt their growth. Manjisanji will never reaxh Hololive levels until they get rid of the male menace.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 13:12:54 2021 No.4136741 >>4136691 It helps the guys out for sure. Kneecaps the girls though.

Anonymous Mon May 24 13:16:33 2021 No.4136831
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>>4136691
If a girl's popularity gets hurt when she hangs out with a guy, she was never good to begin with.
Consider Mito. Countless collabs with males over the years, yet she's still the top female Niji. Why? Because she's THAT GOOD.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 13:19:06 2021 No.4136903 >>4116711 where do you expect / hope NijiEN to be in a year?

Anonymous Mon May 24 13:19:53 2021 No.4136925
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>>4136069
Clippers trying to make money just grab the easiest clickbait from whoever. It's fine if you are already the biggest fish around but NijiEN can't expect to get attention from those channels while they aren't bringing in the views.
There are also gachikoi clip channels. They just autistically clip moments from their favorites' streams for no gain other than dopamine rush until some of the clips get picked up by the youtube algo. Having channels like that can make or break chuubas. For obvious reasons clip channels like that are more common for Hololive than for Nijisanji.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 13:21:39 2021 No.4136961 >>4136831 Good luck finding an EN Mito any time soon. Meanwhile Hololive will laugh to the bank with their pandering.

Anonymous Mon May 24 13:22:59 2021 No.4136986

>>4136589
You don't need simp culture for people to create clip channels though. I agree with >>4136680 in that more people than not in the west treat vtubers as just anime streamers, and you don't need simps to create clips for streamers.

You might need it early on, but after a certain point, the profit motive can easily win out. Also there's also nothing wrong with simply hiring already existing clip channels officially to promote early on instead.

>>4136691
This is just cringe. Interacting with men != not pandering to gfe. Go look at a list of top female streamers and how many regularly interact with men, yet still get simps.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 13:25:35 2021 No.4137051 >>4116711 Overall, the most succesful international branch of Niji outside of VirtuaRea. All of them already mog the ID and KR branch, and also a lot of the main branch as well. Still far from the top dogs of Niji but stil a success.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 13:25:46 2021 No.4137052 >>4136903 Expect? Dissolved like IN unfortunately. I hope they will keep growing and gain a foothold in the western market though.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 13:29:15 2021 No.4137143 >>4137052 Highly doubt that. In just one week, NijiEN has already surpassed the vast majority of NijiID and NijiKR.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 13:33:03 2021 No.4137231 >>4137143 >the vast majority of NijiID and NijiKR. You mean all of them. Bora might as well be a JP living in Korea.

Anonymous Mon May 24 13:37:10 2021 No.4137331

>>4136986
>You might need it early on
nijisanji have no clippers right now, for the exact reason that i mentioned. only mentally deranged people would willing to dedicated their time to clip someone else channel without getting paid. just look at the early clippers for hololive most of them are people with unstable mental that does this shit for free because they love their oshi : lygers, zhangs for example
>Also there's also nothing wrong with simply hiring already existing clip channels officially to promote early on instead.
nijisanji already did this because they have no clippers and it does not help at all.
>Go look at a list of top female streamers
those are real live streamer they have different culture than vtubers, the top female vtubers right now are vtubers from hololive.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 13:39:45 2021 No.4137421 >>4137143 By the looks of it they probably already brought in more money than IN did in it's existence too. Close to $7,000 on just the top 10 donations of each of their streamlabs put together.

Anonymous Mon May 24 13:42:42 2021 No.4137503

>>4136903
I imagine it'll have upwards of 10 members.
Most of them will have decent followings because they fill a niche of some sort, but there will also be a couple who stay down because they barely stream or had a controversy, as well as a couple who reach like 500K subs because of great content or blessings from the algorithm gods.
Basically, same situation as in NijiJP.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 13:43:23 2021 No.4137521 Niji EN is how I expected HoloENs growth to be.

Anonymous Mon May 24 13:45:31 2021 No.4137579

>>4137143
>>4137421
they spend a lot more than their other branch too. nijiEN debut with music from mafumafu, they run ads for their trailer and the music video, it cost 300$ for every 1000 views. nijisanji really went all in for their EN branch and the result are quite disappointing when you compare it to hololive getting 100k subs before they even debut with no paid promotion whatsoever.

Anonymous Mon May 24 13:48:40 2021 No.4137661

>>4137331
No, they need to actually have these clip channels post to their own channel, even if the paid promotion tag might turn off a few people, rather than posting it to the official channel that no one regularly watches.

>those are real live streamer they have different culture than vtubers, the top female vtubers right now are vtubers from hololive.
I already said that I agree with >>4136680 in that vtubers aren't that different from regular streamers in the West, the only difference being they use an anime avatar. Unless you want to insinuate that anime viewers, or places like r/animemes, have a higher inclination to simp that the regular populace (which might be true honestly), there's no reason to treat them differently. Mori even collabed with Rikka a few weeks back, and the numbers on that stream were better than average.

Anonymous Mon May 24 13:52:38 2021 No.4137761

>>4137579
Disappointing is subjective. Not sure why you're repeating $300 for 1k views again either when that's pretty much the super high end. Niji had to compete with Holo and Vshoujo already existing. You're acting like people have no adjusted expectations of going into a market with preexisting competitors.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 13:55:12 2021 No.4137839 >>4132106 You know that Nijisanji vod numbers in general will be smaller than hololive even if they had more live viewers right? It has been the case for every branch.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 14:01:19 2021 No.4138022 >>4134851 This reads like the same fag that thought iwanaga was Nijisanji's CEO the other day. Why anyone takes him seriously still I dunno. He says things that are what the majority of this board want to hear I guess so why be sceptical.

Anonymous Mon May 24 14:05:11 2021 No.4138212
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>>4137661
>post to their own channel
i don't know what to say to you, where are these clippers? do you even get the point im trying to make? these clippers don't exist
>vtubers aren't that different from regular streamers in the West
regular streamer have nothing to do with idol culture.
>Mori even collabed with Rikka a few weeks back, and the numbers on that stream were better than average
it was not better than average, you pulled that statement out of your ass, her gachis certainly are not happy with it, pic related

Anonymous Mon May 24 14:05:51 2021 No.4138247

>>4132769
Because you're a fucking holofag who only watch clips.

>>4134074
Nooooo you can't say that. The idiot just pick up a few and ignore that many females are more popular than many other males in Nijisanji.

>>4134559
Can someone ban this fucking idiot using argument of authority based in fucking 5ch as if it represents anything? Fucking hell, I hate these kind of posts so much.

>>4136691
Go. fuck. yourself. you. fucking. faggot

Are you going to ignore Albio being less popular than Lize and Mito? Or Belmond being less popular than Sasaki, Shiina and Himawari? Don't look just at the fucking beginning, look at the entire thing. Your comparison is completely retarded.

>>4137231
Are HoloID just EN then?

>>4137579
This will be Ichikara to decide, not you or me.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 14:07:00 2021 No.4138306 >>4138022 It must be the same "japanese perspective" guy who thinks that Iwanaga is their CEO. And fucking idiots here believe him all the time. lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 14:07:33 2021 No.4138349 File: 219 KB, 2688x2688, 9d5.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4138212 >12 likes 1 dislike

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 14:08:03 2021 No.4138370 >>4138212 >regular streamer have nothing to do with idol culture. Only hololive are idols. Stop being a holofag believing that every jp vtuber is like this.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 14:12:47 2021 No.4138550 >>4138370 even if they are not explicitly stating that they are an idol, the idol culture still influence them. name me a single corpo chuba that openly said they have boyfriend

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 14:18:33 2021 No.4138787 >>4138550 Hoshikawa doesn't even try to hide the fact that she's been in relationships.

Anonymous Mon May 24 14:18:41 2021 No.4138798
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>>4138349
Because he's cherry picking.

>>4138212
The views/time are far above average. It has more likes than her usual streams even though it was only an hour, and obviously more dislikes. Wow, a huge 182 dislikes from her gachis. Surely those superchat numbers are lower too because her gachis hated it, and not just because the stream was only an hour long.

There are regular streamers who pander to GFE too, that's not something unique to idols. The same people that get shit on everytime "boyfriend shit" happens. And they're still successful.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 14:22:27 2021 No.4138935 >>4138550 Tamaki is literally married. Gunkan openly said they were going out.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 14:25:28 2021 No.4139080 >>4138935 For a moment, I thought you meant the cat Tamaki and was about to start feeling absolutely awful for the unfortunate soul she caught.

Anonymous Mon May 24 14:31:05 2021 No.4139283

>>4137579
It's not like the sub numbers had anything to do with the talents in both cases. Enikara lost the competition for EOP viewers in 2020 (or rather decided not to participate until the last moment) and they are paying the price. It's not an investement into LazuLight per se, it's an attempt to breach the Western market by throwing money at the problem. Dissolving the unit if they don't succeed wouldn't return the invested money. The only case for NijiEN getting scrapped is if they won't be earning enough to justify keeping staff-san on payroll and I wouldn't worry about that.

Anonymous Mon May 24 14:32:06 2021 No.4139324

>>4138798
>and the numbers on that stream were better than average
yes, numbers of people that watch shit for free and never donate anything.
>Wow, a huge 182 dislikes from her gachis. Surely those superchat numbers are lower too because her gachis hated it
glad you agree
> average earnings are better than rikka and kiara collab
exactly my point
>the stream was only an hour long
she got plenty of 1 hour stream that earn more than that with half the view
>The views/time are far above average
and with those views i wonder why people are not donating
>And they're still successful
exception are not the majority

Anonymous Mon May 24 14:44:35 2021 No.4139814

>>4139324
Her last 1 hour stream that wasn't an event was literally a zatsudan stream. It's like you ignore that collabs in general also get less superchat regardless, since they focus more on the collab partner. Also love the quick goalpost move into superchat = successful.

I also like how you sneak in better than the Kiara collab, as if your point wasn't that they shouldn't collab with males. Is Kiara suddenly a male now?

>exception are not the majority
Why are you suddenly talking about the majority here when it's convenient? Do you think "doesn't need to rely on gachis" means that the majority don't? You also don't bring up any actual data that it's an exception in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 15:00:44 2021 No.4140515 >>4138550 Hoshikawa made it clear that she had boyfriends in the past.

Anonymous Mon May 24 15:26:10 2021 No.4141557

>>4139814
>gachis don't pay for something they don't like
>the rikka collab earn less than her usual stream
>people don't donate for something they don't enjoy
>rikka collab earn less than her usual stream
does that make it easier for you?
>Her last 1 hour stream that wasn't an event was literally a zatsudan stream.
spiritfarer stream 1 & 2 earn more than rikka collab, those only got 100k views
>It's like you ignore that collabs in general also get less superchat regardless
that just mean her paypigs don't like those stream just like they don't like rikka collabs
>Also love the quick goalpost move into superchat = successful.
what are you even talking about you were the one to mentioned the rikka collab and i corrected you by saying those collabs are not popular with her paypigs.

>vtubers aren't that different from regular streamers in the West
>regular streamer have nothing to do with idol culture.
never once did i mention anything about GFE, i was talking about idol culture

Anonymous Mon May 24 16:00:16 2021 No.4143075

>>4141557
I brought up the Rikka collab in response to you saying that people don't simp if they collab with males. Her second spiritfarer stream had $1130. That's barely a step up from $968.

>never once did i mention anything about GFE, i was talking about idol culture
Ah yes, and which aspects of idol culture are you referring to again when you say this?
>nijiEN still can create simp culture exclusively within their own branch, just don't include male in gen 2. it still not to late. if nijisanji keep insisting on a mixed branch, those clippers will be gone once their ''queen'' does off collab with men.

>what are you even talking about you were the one to mentioned the rikka collab and i corrected you by saying those collabs are not popular with her paypigs.
Nice of you to lump the Kiara collab too with "those streams". If you're going to pretend like you're only making descriptive statements, why don't we actually put together what you've said throughout the chain.

>if nijiEN includes a male they won't get any clips once they collab since their simps will leave
Mori has collabed with Rikka before, and the numbers on that stream were better than average
>her gachis were not happy with it because superchat numbers were lower
Superchat numbers are lower because the stream was an hour, plus collabs generate less superchat when the streamer interacts less with chat.

You haven't shown where the people superchatting are necessarily the same ones making clips, which is why I said you were goalpost moving. You are also talking about making clips in the context of what NijiEN could do to be more successful, and how instrumental clips were in the rise of Holo. To which my point has been

>You don't need simp culture for people to create clip channels though. I agree with >>4136680 in that more people than not in the west treat vtubers as just anime streamers, and you don't need simps to create clips for streamers.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 16:05:32 2021 No.4143278 >>4136903 hard to say. gotta see it they keep things up as the months go on

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 16:30:27 2021 No.4144162 >>4136903 >expect slow steady growth for lazulight, less interest for the second batch but nothing catastrophic >hope I wish lazulight remains as a close-knit group, they have good chemistry imo

Anonymous Mon May 24 16:42:25 2021 No.4144616

>>4143075
>I brought up the Rikka collab in response to you saying that people don't simp if they collab with males
and from the numbers they don't
>Her second spiritfarer stream had $1130. That's barely a step up from $968.
the fact that her paypigs would rather see mori play shitty indie game than watching rikka collab prove my point
>Ah yes, and which aspects of idol culture are you referring to again when you say this?
the aspect where people actually going schizos over their oshi
>Nice of you to lump the Kiara collab too with "those streams"
i was refering to their paypigs not paying for something they don't like
>Mori has collabed with Rikka before, and the numbers on that stream were better than average
on rikka's channel, when you're literal nobody of course its gonna be better, and when they did it on mori's channel i proved to you this is false
>Superchat numbers are lower because the stream was an hour.
ok now you just coping, i gave you example of 2 1 hours stream with 100k views that earn more than rikka collab
>plus collabs generate less superchat when the streamer interacts less with chat.
she got multiple collab stream that earn more than rikka collab
>You haven't shown where the people superchating are necessarily the same ones making clips
i never make this assertion, this entire superchat talk was me telling you that paypigs don't pay for something that they don't like

>You don't need simp culture for people to create clip channels though
then what do you need? why niji don't have clippers? and why the amount of hololive clips dwarfed anything within the vtuber sphere? and pls don't say revenue, back then they earn penny.

Anonymous Mon May 24 16:53:19 2021 No.4145048
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>>4129524
There are actually a lot of dedicated Niji clippers for a lot of the talents with dozens of videos. And they all have less than 5000 subs and get maybe a few hundred views per video even when the subs are fine. It's surprising how much you need the algorithm to hit sometimes. I've seen several for Akina, three for donkuzuhonsha, one for Karuta which was surprising, a few that focus on Sara, a furen one, etc.
Honestly i think the real problem with Niji subbed clip popularity is that the few channels that did get big all decided to provide content for the official english channel like Rollcakeboy and makaru where their videos get far fewer views and aren't quickly uploaded to capitalize on a trend or popular event. To the point where some of them will still upload something to their channel to make sure its not mistranslated if it's popular enough to get shitty speedsubs elsewhere

The content's there, it just hasn't been exposed. And the big names took a crunch by working for Niji directly.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 16:56:28 2021 No.4145162 >ITT Butthurt Unicornfags and Purityfags mad that Niji doesn’t pander to them. Not every vtubing company has to be about GFE and Idol shit

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 17:00:44 2021 No.4145325 >>4138935 >Gunkan openly said they were going out. eh?

Anonymous Mon May 24 17:13:47 2021 No.4145913

>>4144616
>on rikka's channel, when you're literal nobody of course its gonna be better, and when they did it on mori's channel i proved to you this is false
I'm talking about the exact same collab on Mori's channel. You apparently still seem to think that superchat is the only number on a video.

>the fact that her paypigs would rather see mori play shitty indie game than watching rikka collab prove my point
Apparently, they would also rather see Mori play shitty indie games over her collabing with Kiara. Apparently this is "cope" to you to point out that collabs get less superchat because the streamer responds to chat less? Has it not occurred to you that people superchat more when they can grab the attention of the streamer? It's on you to actually prove that Rikka is the cause of why that streamed had less absolute superchat.

>she got multiple collab stream that earn more than rikka collab
And she's had streams that barely earn more on collabs even when streaming for longer on buff games.

>then what do you need? why niji don't have clippers? and why the amount of hololive clips dwarfed anything within the vtuber sphere? and pls don't say revenue, back then they earn penny.
The fact that NijiEN straight up isn't as popular as HoloEN? Or that Niji doesn't have as large of a fanbase that views these clips to push them into the algorithm in the first place? There's any number of reasons you could think about that doesn't automatically default to "they didn't pander to gachis".

Anonymous Mon May 24 17:18:37 2021 No.4146103

>>4145162
Though interestingly enough, Pomu draws heavily from idol (fan-)culture, referencing it - seems to have been a part of it before, she knows her shit - and consequently collecting a lot of idol fans who have been missing live concerts for entirely too long.

Judging by Pomu, this isn't forced by management, either, but something she consciously choose, and to not inconsiderable success, judging by her reception within the idolsphere, which basically loves everything she does, as far as I can tell.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 17:31:21 2021 No.4146571 >>4117647 >Anya - 900 >Iofi - 826 Lo-fi... how?

Anonymous Mon May 24 17:35:48 2021 No.4146741

>>4145913
>You apparently still seem to think that superchat is the only number on a video.
were talking about paypigs, it is the only numbers that matter
>Apparently, they would also rather see Mori play shitty indie games over her collabing with Kiara
i repeat it again, if that what paypigs want to see then it is what they want to see
>Apparently this is "cope" to you to point out that collabs get less superchat because the streamer responds to chat less? Has it not occurred to you that people superchat more when they can grab the attention of the streamer?
yes this a cope because streamer can also earn more doing sleeping stream, refer to ollie
>It's on you to actually prove that Rikka is the cause of why that streamed had less absolute superchat.
the stream literally got less superchat than her average, if you even denying the fact that it got less than her average then i don't know what to say to you.
>And she's had streams that barely earn more on collabs even when streaming for longer on buff games.
doesn't disprove my point of paypigs not paying for something that they don't like
>The fact that NijiEN straight up isn't as popular as HoloEN? Or that Niji doesn't have as large of a fanbase that views these clips to push them into the algorithm in the first place?
how new are you? did you know nijisanji used to dominate the entire vtubing market?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 17:38:25 2021 No.4146828 >>4145162 I like telling people who beg for holostars collabs to go watch nijisanji instead so I agree with this

Anonymous Mon May 24 17:58:16 2021 No.4147642

>>4145913
>The fact that NijiEN straight up isn't as popular as HoloEN? Or that Niji doesn't have as large of a fanbase that views these clips to push them into the algorithm in the first place? There's any number of reasons you could think about that doesn't automatically default to "they didn't pander to gachis".
He is talking about how Hololive got ahead in the first place. It's not even funny how much smaller than Nijisanji Hololive was even at the end of 2019. That was less than a year before HoloEN. And yet obsessed autists and zhangs pushed Hololive ahead. For free. Now NijiEN is in the situation where they are smaller and can't rely on momentum. They need the autists if they want to grow. They don't have to be gachikoi autists but I don't see how they would attract any other kind.

>>4146103
Pomu is an actual wota. She couldn't undo it even if she wanted to. It doesn't mean that she is trying to be seen as an idol herself.

Anonymous Mon May 24 18:05:46 2021 No.4147973

>>4146741
Not original anon but thought I would put in some of my thoughts.
>yes this a cope because streamer can also earn more doing sleeping stream, refer to ollie
First of all sleeping streams are much longer than your average stream and there is already twitch culture about donating during sleep streams, this is not a good counter point.
>the stream literally got less superchat than her average, if you even denying the fact that it got less than her average then i don't know what to say to you.
Averages are misleading because they include outliers use medians.
>how new are you? did you know nijisanji used to dominate the entire vtubing market?
Kuzuha has more japanese viewers than Pekora, they still dominate the most important area of the market.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 18:06:29 2021 No.4148000 Are there any niji hololive fans, I always see people like Matsuri and Ollie acting like obsessed fangirls but never the opposite feels like the entirety of nijisanji acts like Amelia in regards to other companies

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 18:11:44 2021 No.4148206 >>4121042 Top Nijis get really nice numbers.

Anonymous Mon May 24 18:13:27 2021 No.4148303

>>4146741
>were talking about paypigs, it is the only numbers that matter
In the context of how Nijisanji can be more successful, and what clipping does in relation to that, no it's not the only number that matters.

>yes this a cope because streamer can also earn more doing sleeping stream, refer to ollie
Yes, doing something like a sleeping stream boosts numbers of people donating. Glad you agree with my point that there are reasons other than "male" as to why superchat numbers can fluctuate.

>the stream literally got less superchat than her average, if you even denying the fact that it got less than her average then i don't know what to say to you.
A lot of her streams got lower than average. Do you think all these streams are because she collabed with a male in them?

>how new are you? did you know nijisanji used to dominate the entire vtubing market?
Yes, and who do you think had more clips in 2018/2019 when Niji was dominating?

>>4147642
The question is where did they push them ahead, and whether they specifically needed to pander to gachis by not collabing with males to get those clips. This doesn't even make any sense because Holo regularly collabed with males then when Niji was dominating, and yet the autists and dedicated groups still pushed them regardless.

>They don't have to be gachikoi autists but I don't see how they would attract any other kind.
Is the only part I disagree depending on what definition of gachikoi you're using here. To be very clear, the claim I'm making here is that having a male in the same group, and collabing with them, doesn't necessarily end up in them having less clips. Whether that's because gachikoi autists still clip them, because shippers end up clipping more, or whether it's because they have some other kind, not collabing with males is not a prerequisite for NijiEN to be popular in the west.

Anonymous Mon May 24 18:19:56 2021 No.4148576

>>4148000
I don't really see any. If a guy said anything it might end up in drama, and I can't really recollect any of the JP girls doing so for Hololive. A few are obsessive fans of other Nijisanji members, but none are openly so for Hololive members. A few like Hololive, or even have a Hololive oshi on their roommate accounts, but nothing obsessive either.

Anonymous Mon May 24 18:24:18 2021 No.4148768

>>4148000
Like a year ago, Himawari said that she was watching almost nothing but Hololive. That might've changed by now, but yeah, that's the first thing that came to mind.

Besides that, there's minor stuff like the Niji-Holo friendships or Ebio saying that he checked out a clip of Mori rapping and that she impressed him.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 18:24:18 2021 No.4148769 >>4138935 wheres the sauce for Gunkan, i want it.

Anonymous Mon May 24 18:27:54 2021 No.4148944

>>4148576
Yeah it feels like an one sided relationship, Aqua with Shiina(rip), Matsuri buying shittons of nijisanji merchandise, Ollie propping up the entire nijien branch at their debut, I never see the opposite, I don't think I've seen a nijigirl ever going "oh I like hololive so much I'm a huge fan of X girl" are they too good to be fans of a girl from a rival company? As a fan of hololive girls it saddens me to see that.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 18:29:24 2021 No.4148987 >>4148768 Oh yeah theres Himawari >>4148944 scratch that.

Anonymous Mon May 24 18:31:39 2021 No.4149073

>>4148303
>In the context of how Nijisanji can be more successful, and what clipping does in relation to that, no it's not the only number that matters.
irrelevant, we're talking about paypigs money. clipping and this issue are 2 completely different topic.
>Yes, doing something like a sleeping stream boosts numbers of people donating. Glad you agree with my point that there are reasons other than "male" as to why superchat numbers can fluctuate.
and thanks for agreeing that "male" is one of them
>A lot of her streams got lower than average
it's one of her worst stream in term of superchat, not just below average
>Do you think all these streams are because she collabed with a male in them?
im not her paypig, all i know is that one particular collab earn less and rikka was in it.
>Yes, and who do you think had more clips in 2018/2019 when Niji was dominating?
there's no way to 100% know, but in the end hololive manage to gain more clippers

Anonymous Mon May 24 18:47:08 2021 No.4149663

>>4149073
>irrelevant, we're talking about paypigs money. clipping and this issue are 2 completely different topic.
Them being 2 completely different topics is why I said you were goalpost shifting from clips to superchat. >>4137661 is talking about clips. >>4138212 You, are responding with a picture pointing out that it has less superchat. Unless you seriously want to say you're trying to show the number of likes/dislikes at 12/1.

>and thanks for agreeing that "male" is one of them
Did I ever say "male" couldn't be one of them? There are streamers for which collabing with a male might be a huge debuff and loss, and others where it's a buff. There are also streamers where collabing with males has 0 influence on their growth. You are the one making the claim that in order to get simp culture to make clips, Niji would need to never collab with males or else all the simps would leave.

>im not her paypig, all i know is that one particular collab earn less and rikka was in it.
An incredible data point of 1 collab, with circumstantial theories as to why you think it earned less.

>there's no way to 100% know, but in the end hololive manage to gain more clippers
Nice handwave implying you need to know 100% to get a sense of who had more clips if you were there in 2018. Where is your link between hololive managing to gain more clippers nowadays, and it being specifically due to them not collabing with males?

Anonymous Mon May 24 18:55:20 2021 No.4150005
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>>4148303
>The question is where did they push them ahead, and whether they specifically needed to pander to gachis by not collabing with males to get those clips. This doesn't even make any sense because Holo regularly collabed with males then when Niji was dominating, and yet the autists and dedicated groups still pushed them regardless.
Lize has gachikois despite collabing with males all the time. It's more about the image and character than not collabing with males at all. It just can be hard to collab with males regularly and maintain those. See Fubuki. There are some extreme unicorns who don't tolerate any interaction but they are a minority.
>Whether that's because gachikoi autists still clip them, because shippers end up clipping more, or whether it's because they have some other kind, not collabing with males is not a prerequisite for NijiEN to be popular in the west.
Do you expect them to radically expand the roster any time soon? Because otherwise shippers will be irrelevant.
Nijisanji is heterogenous. NijiEN can have males. Hell, they can have trannies for all I care. I'm saying that the groups with males will have no prospects for a long time in the Western market and will have to be carried by cgdct units until they can come into their own. It then begs the question: what is even the point of keeping the deadweight around at this moment in time other than MALES PLEASE autism?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 18:59:03 2021 No.4150188 >>4121042 sorry am retarded, what are these numbers representing and how does EN compare

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 19:01:27 2021 No.4150319 >>4150188 Average live viewers (number of streams)

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 19:02:08 2021 No.4150379 >>4131773 Whats the difference between that and NijiJP collabing with HololiveJP? You tribalfags are fucking retarded

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 19:03:11 2021 No.4150447 >>4150379 HoloJP isn't blowing the shit out of Nijisanji JP.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 19:04:33 2021 No.4150500 >>4132202 卍sanji it's such a retarded saying, why would niji fans be offended that there are males?

Anonymous Mon May 24 19:06:39 2021 No.4150587

>>4150500
The problem isn't the term but how the retard who keep spouting this ignore that many females are more popular than many other males in Nijisanji. He only see the top 25 number, see a male in there and that's it for them, while the general context is much more mixed than that.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 19:07:15 2021 No.4150620 >>4150447 Collabs aren't just for numbers dipshit, chuubas collab because they want to

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 19:09:22 2021 No.4150706 >>4150620 HoloEN clearly doesn't get to collab with whoever just because they want to. HoloEN collabing with NijiEN would be feeding the competition from corporate perspective.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 19:10:49 2021 No.4150774 >>4150447 I thought you all insisted that Nijisanji in Japan is nothing and that hololive is more popular?

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 19:11:36 2021 No.4150814 >>4150774 I am not a holofag.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 19:14:23 2021 No.4150967 >>4150706 Which is pretty sad considering the companies used to have plenty of collabs

Anonymous Mon May 24 19:20:07 2021 No.4151234

>>4150005
>Lize has gachikois despite collabing with males all the time. It's more about the image and character than not collabing with males at all. It just can be hard to collab with males regularly and maintain those. See Fubuki. There are some extreme unicorns who don't tolerate any interaction but they are a minority.
Is the definition I usually use, but I know some people would define gachikoi by them wanting to monopolize the girl. The "this doesn't make sense" part was meant for the other poster, and I agree that collabs with males isn't necessarily related with whether they have gachis or not.

>Do you expect them to radically expand the roster any time soon? Because otherwise shippers will be irrelevant.
I do expect a gen 2 honestly, but if you didn't bother to go up the reply chain since it's pretty long, it starts with if they end up including a male in gen 2. It doesn't have to be shipping either, people can clip NijiEN girls interacting with NijiJP males without it being shipping, it's just an example.

>I'm saying that the groups with males will have no prospects for a long time in the Western market and will have to be carried by cgdct units until they can come into their own.
I just don't think this is true though. Is being a male a debuff as an EN vtuber? Probably. But there's plenty of people who want a male EN corpo vtuber.

>It then begs the question: what is even the point of keeping the deadweight around at this moment in time other than MALES PLEASE autism?
Not sure what you mean by "deadweight", but my personal answer as to why I would have liked to see a male vtuber debut in gen 1 and get popular is mainly to change the stigma surrounding vtubers outside their own communities.

Anonymous Mon May 24 19:36:08 2021 No.4151920

>>4150620
But why would they even want to collab with each other? They hardly know each other.
I could only imagine Kiara putting the effort into collabing with outsiders just for the sake of generating hype.
Do any of the NijiENs have similar, specific interests to a HoloEN? Do they live close to each other?

Anonymous Mon May 24 19:52:10 2021 No.4152540

>>4151234
>I do expect a gen 2 honestly
EN is an overseas branch. It would still have 4 livers tops unless they absorb Prism or something. That's 7 people in total, less than the very first JP wave. You need a lot of people and a lot of interactions for big collabs, cliques and tons of groups to start bringing in views like they do in JP.
>But there's plenty of people who want a male EN corpo vtuber.
There is a world of difference between "want" and "willing to spend hours a day shilling for free to get". There are also plenty of people saying that they "want" a strategy game chuuba but when an indie streams an autistic map game nobody watches them, let alone promotes them. Where are the popular male indies if there is a real demand?
I guess there are fujos who are ready to sweat but I'm not sure how ready we are for EN fujo bait and I'm even less sure how ready the talents are to be fujo bait.
>Not sure what you mean by "deadweight"
There are only so many EN livers Enikara will be willing to invest in in the foreseeable future. Every male liver hired is a female liver not hired and every mixed wave is one less all female wave.
>I would have liked to see a male vtuber debut in gen 1 and get popular is mainly to change the stigma surrounding vtubers outside their own communities.
What does that have to do with Nijisanji? Normalizing male chuubas in the West to leverage being different from Hololive is a long term goal at best. It's not needed now. They need to stop sinking before they will be able to swim somewhere.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 20:13:45 2021 No.4153454 >>4121042 Can you post source for this? I watch Rion a lot and am really surprised to see her average listed as 3k, to the point where I think the stats are wrong.

Anonymous Mon May 24 20:31:34 2021 No.4154301

>>4152540
The criteria for success doesn't have to be bringing as much views as JP. I believe the standard relevant to this convo would be whether they could gather enough traction to no longer need to rely on gachis for clips and continued growth, but rather people would clip them because it brings views.

>here is a world of difference between "want" and "willing to spend hours a day shilling for free to get". There are also plenty of people saying that they "want" a strategy game chuuba but when an indie streams an autistic map game nobody watches them, let alone promotes them.
I agree with this too, especially that there's also a huge different between "want" and even "willing to watch". That said, there were a lot of people during HoloEN's debut asking about why there weren't any male vtubers, on twitter+reddit, and I assume most people would put the chances of NijiEN having a male at >50% prior to their announcement. The lack of popular male indies doesn't mean it's not possible for one of them to blow up without being carried by a girl.

>There are only so many EN livers Enikara will be willing to invest in in the foreseeable future. Every male liver hired is a female liver not hired and every mixed wave is one less all female wave.
Ah, well I mean, I'm of the opinion that the male won't exactly be deadweight, and that mixed waves have the potential to do better than all female waves. Assuming they were dead weight, Nijisanji supports tons of deadweight in the first place, so at best they could just give the bare minimum of support. It's not like they know the male is going to be deadweight prior to already recruiting and spending money on them.

>What does that have to do with Nijisanji?
They were simply the most likely to change the dynamic, and the ones carrying male vtubers in general. Hololive and Vshoujo aren't going to do it, and it didn't seem like HolostarsEN was going to ever happen.

>They need to stop sinking before they will be able to swim somewhere.
The argument being that they would have been more popular as a group of 2 male 3 female, or 2 female 1 male, rather than an all female group. The assumption being that since hobbies like anime/manga, places like anime subreddits, or even stream viewers don't usually have such an extremely skewed gender ratio like vtubers, that there was an unfulfilled market for the female audience that hadn't been filled for reasons like "male indies aren't professional enough", or "male indies don't roleplay enough", etc. We're not going to know until one of the only 3 companies with the ability to try takes a shot at it.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 20:57:42 2021 No.4155435 >>4150379 I don't want that either, fuck Nijisanji

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 21:02:10 2021 No.4155598 >>4153454 Some anon in 4chan made the average live viewer from april of this year. I'm just using it because I'm not good with photoshop, otherwise I would make the average and do that stuff. >>4155435 kill yourself.

Anonymous Mon May 24 21:25:02 2021 No.4156567

>ITT: "why no male NijiEN"
There's no demonstrated market interest in it.

If Cover Corp, which managd to get their HoloJPs to become such a great hit in the west in spite of the language barrier, failed to promote Holostars in the west even with the collabs that were happening, why would AC even bother to try? They have the market analytics to back up their claims if they needed reasons to support it, so it's not like they couldn't forsee it being the case. Remember that male chuubas aren't competing for male attention, and females in the west are more that likely heavily invested in k-pop boybands to even give a damn about some anime avatar that can maybe sing, so the problem lies on who is going to be the target demographic that isn't already served by facecams or png personalities.

The only real way to get male chuubas to succeed is to simply buy out the anitubers and bring them in as personalities and hope that it doesn't kill their female chuubas.

Anonymous Mon May 24 21:54:17 2021 No.4158135

>>4135188
>they really need to focus on the EN market first and foremost, the big question is how.
Focus on hiring talent from influential vtuber cliques. like the Domo/Artemis sphere, Secondly because EN designs are going to be puritan as fuck they need to focus a lot on personality, extroverts and charismatic tubers, especially the one with networking skills. Laslty they need a couple of artists vtubers.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 22:00:59 2021 No.4158478 File: 414 KB, 1200x1500, 1616424883003.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4156567 >buy out the anitubers and bring them in as personalities

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 22:03:52 2021 No.4158626 >>4158478 I know what I said was disgusting, but it is the truth of male chuubas at this point. If you're not a famous anituber, you got little to no chance.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 24 23:35:55 2021 No.4163031 >>4156567 How about someone ask Toriyama to draw a dragon ball like character. Or maybe literally any shonen mangaka. Then we combine them with those dragon ball/naruto/fighting game youtubers. I'm sure we can conquer the male EN vtuber market.

Anonymous Tue May 25 00:00:28 2021 No.4164038

if they don't manage to go viral with some meme or animation they're never going to grow past being average. They're normal vtubers without any obvious talent to make them stand out. They missed the boat on the time when having an avatar was enough to draw attention.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 25 00:34:31 2021 No.4165237 >>4156567 the next group will have a male and you're going to look very silly

>>	Anonymous Tue May 25 00:58:30 2021 No.4165919 >>4148768 Dude legit made a stream to celebrate Gura hitting 2 mil https://youtu.be/zPKcwCBOqoc

>>	Anonymous Tue May 25 01:03:28 2021 No.4166104 >>4165919 This was a sarcastic stream to celebrate himself reaching 150k subs. He was trashing Hololive and making fun of Gura.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 25 01:13:05 2021 No.4166417 >>4136589 And here we have a self hating "modern male". Good luck dodging all those mirrors, especially in restrooms. The girls are doing fine without Holo-esque simp monkeys.

Anonymous Tue May 25 01:21:05 2021 No.4166660

>>4156567
Male streamers who are also weebs is definitely an underserved market in the west but the problem I think is that in order for such streamers to be appealing they would have to be rather funny and on the edge of TOS guidelines, they would have to have deep knowledge of culture stuff and integrate it into entertaining bits and would somehow need to manage a kayfabe bromance angle to get fujo attention when nerdy western males are terrible at acting. Overall western male streamers have it much rougher because of youtube/twitch enforcement being focused on western standards.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 25 01:23:39 2021 No.4166746 >>4166660 they need a daddy vtuber, daddies are popular

>>	Anonymous Tue May 25 01:25:28 2021 No.4166801 >>4166660 >>4166746 >all these disclaimers and requirements Maybe male vtubers just suck and aren't good at being entertaining?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 25 01:25:32 2021 No.4166803 >>4156567 I feel like i want to kill myself for writing this, but if malechubba isn't reach nuxtaku-tier of popularity, i doubt malechuuba will succeed. Again, i want 9mm on my brain for saying his name

Anonymous Tue May 25 01:28:27 2021 No.4166888

>>4166801
I guess the issue is there is little edge gained from being an anime man on the screen, you aren't going to get coomers, you will build less emotional connection then just random male streamers with their cam on, most male streamers who get big focus on competitive games with a bantery friend group rather than variety streams with cutesy planned bits. It's certainly not impossible for someone to figure out a pathway to success with it, maybe something that goes very heavy on the RP, but I am confident that cover/niji aren't smart enough to pull it off and they know that.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 25 01:34:10 2021 No.4167090 >>4166803 >Nuxtaku #1 male vtuber in the world. Eat your heart out Kuzuha.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 25 01:43:18 2021 No.4167346 >>4156567 ??? Cover never promoted holostars to the west and holostars only had collab with Mori on holoen, and she only did it with Rikka last month.

Anonymous Tue May 25 01:44:49 2021 No.4167393

>>4129722
Post your clip everywhere, especially twitter and reddit (don't just post to /r/VirtualYoutubers and /r/Nijisanji but post to big sub like /r/videos or /r/whatcouldgowrong and many more if there's any moments that fit those subs, although this is kinda monkey-paw-ish). That may help guilding the algorithm to recommend your clip more.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 25 01:45:19 2021 No.4167407 >>4167090 If you count nux then you can count mafumafu, which makes that nigger a bitch.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 25 02:20:23 2021 No.4168215 >>4166660 I could see that in order to have at least a chance to get into EN market, NijiEN probably have to stream on twitch, especially male vtuber that are willing to accepts twitch chat style (bttv and ffz emotes and stuff like that).

>>	Anonymous Tue May 25 03:00:03 2021 No.4169221 >>4167407 But nux is literally a vtuber while I don't think this mafuguy is a vtuber.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 25 03:01:11 2021 No.4169256 >>4169221 i found this in 2 seconds https://youtu.be/cO1Hg5AzfQA

Anonymous Tue May 25 03:04:41 2021 No.4169350

>>4169256
His most recent video (that isn't a song or a concert) has a face cam. He isn't a vtuber.

https://youtu.be/1V43zdGXriI

He also sucks and his fanbase consists of the same fucking losers that freak out over those K-Pop femboy idols. He is cancer.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 25 03:06:23 2021 No.4169394 >>4165237 I didn't say that they weren't making it. I said there is no demonstrable market interest in it. If NijiEN has this level of interest just being Female only, what would a male VTuber do numbers wise that would help their case?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 25 03:06:55 2021 No.4169408 >>4169256 He's not a virtual YouTuber.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 25 03:14:40 2021 No.4169572 >>4148768 >Niji-Holo friendships Most of the friendships predates vtubing, so i wouldn't count it

>>	Anonymous Tue May 25 03:29:07 2021 No.4169913 >>4169350 mafumafu lives in this anons head rent free because he's cute and can sing well, things he will never achieve

Anonymous Tue May 25 03:36:31 2021 No.4170147

>>4154301
>The criteria for success doesn't have to be bringing as much views as JP.
This is true. Frankly, I think NijiEN's growth was more in line with Cover's expectations for holoEN. It seems to have done well as a Niji overseas branch. But my personal criteria for NijiEN's
success is that they aren't reliant on JP gachikois and have a profitable slice of the EN market. Overseas branches that's dependent on JP is overloading Niji's domestic market. I would rather have new nip nijis than an overseas branch that has to act like a JP release to survive.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 25 03:38:08 2021 No.4170186 >>4169913 I don't call boys that look like girls "cute". I call them trannys. >sing well Maybe when he is behind 20 tons of auto tune, otherwise he sucks. He should go back to making Vocaloid songs since he wasn't absolutely terrible at that.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 25 03:44:56 2021 No.4170324 >>4167393 i tried in videos but they keep deleting my post

>>	Anonymous Tue May 25 03:47:16 2021 No.4170362 Wow so edgy. Who killed your dog?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 25 04:41:30 2021 No.4171172 >>4170362 LET'S GOOOOOOOOOO

Anonymous Tue May 25 04:46:22 2021 No.4171226

>>4150379
In Japan Nijisanji and Hololive are on roughly equal terms. Hololive has higher performing talents and Nijisanji has more brand awareness, but they both have something to bring to the table so a collab would theoretically benefit both parties.

NijiEN however has none of that. Their fanbase is so small in comparison to hololive's that any fans that they would bring to the table is insignificant compared to the ones HoloEN would bring, even discounting the fact that most of NijiEN's fanbase is comprised of holoEN fans, and unlike the JP side there's no other tangential benefits NijiEn can bring to the table, like brand awareness or connections. A collab between them would only benefit NijiEN.

Anonymous Tue May 25 04:59:54 2021 No.4171392

>>4170147
The current issue NijiEn has is that they've modeled themselves way too closely after Hololive to be able to attract their own fans. The vast majority of their fanbase comes from people who were formerly or still are hololive fans and I don't see that changing anytime soon. So yeah they aren't depending on the JP side but instead they're dependent on HoloEN, and I don't know if that's really an improvement

>>	Anonymous Tue May 25 05:04:59 2021 No.4171464 >>4171226 This really explains the entire issue in great detail. HoloEN approving any kind of collab with NijiEN would be incredibly stupid on HoloEN's part.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 25 05:09:34 2021 No.4171534 >>4171392 Vtubing in general is strongly associated with Hololive for EOPs. Even if they included males in the first wave they would just attract holofags who don't mind males. Nothing can really be done about it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 25 05:12:27 2021 No.4171572 >>4171534 >Holofags who don't mind males As a holofag myself I can say for certain that no Hololive fan would ever watch a male.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 25 05:13:42 2021 No.4171588 >>4171572 Half the Holostar audience are EOPs.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 25 05:14:26 2021 No.4171600 >>4171588 Homostars isn't Hololive and never will be.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 25 05:16:30 2021 No.4171626 >>4170186 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbqSOzLE8YI you can stop embarassing yourself, anon. inuyama tamaki is a manga artist and doesn't hide that fact, that doesn't make her not a vtuber.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 25 05:17:05 2021 No.4171634 >>4171600 I don't really care either way. All I'm saying is there are plenty of holoredditors who complain about bad idolfags and would at least pretend to want a male chuuba.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 25 05:19:49 2021 No.4171678 >>4171626 That is a tranny on stage. How is that in any way a vtuber?

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