/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

How to escape the parasocial relationship hellhole? I can't take it anymore...

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>>431146
Become a vtuber

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>>431146
get a job or something that will take up your time instead

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>>431146
>parasocial relationship
Buzzphrase. One of you idiots hears one dumbass spout some "psychology" bullshit term and it escalates from there.

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>>431146
Watch non GFE vtubers

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>>431337
But I only watch Ina...

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>>431146
Pff, that's nothing Holobro
Once you start falling for parasocial relationships with single digit indies, that's the moment you know you're done for

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>>431316
I understand your resistance to pop-psych buzzwords but this one feels like there’s actually something to it. The way I start to feel like I know these girls even though I obviously don’t is disconcerting.

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>>431146
>>431268
Why would you want to abandon your oshi like that?

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>>431146
unironically get a cat or a dog

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watch these

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzrRH7TzH4In9qQhBcFhzaA

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nigga go outside

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>>431146
turn off the computer

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>>431146
They sell Ina costumes on alieexpress. Buy one, hire a whore and go to town up her ass.

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>>432051
That's not parasocial though.

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>>432013
Change your oshi

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>>432450
good stuff

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>>431146
Any legitimate advice I could I give you will get me booed off here.

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OP you were just born this way, you probably see addictions all throughout your family. All you need to do is just give up and hope for a better respawn with more mental resistance.

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>>433255
This. Keep changing your oshis until you hit Dunbar's Number, then you can start cycling back since those earlier relationships withered.

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>>434153
share it anyway

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>>431146
Get a real girlfriend. She won't be as perfect as Ina, though

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>>434153
Gonna boo you for not saying it

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>>432381
she's in good hands anon, if you really want to you can make it up by turning someone into liking your oshi

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>>434323
Prepare yourself for a long-winded roundabout way of saying "just go outside bro xd".

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>>431146
Use your oshi as inspiration to improve yourself. Won't solve it but at least you'll be a better person if you do get out of it.

This is just waifu shit except instead of pirating everything your waifu is in you send money to someone pretending to be an anime girl.

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>>432110
The term itself isn't new, it just became popular recently due to a Shannon Strucci video that talks more about celebrity culture than twitch streamers. When you hear your grandparents talk about how it felt like they knew Jonny Carson, like he was a kindly uncle or something, that was the parasocial relationship effect working as intended. TV and radio producers have known about this for a long time.

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>>434455
Actually, I can do shorter. >>431146 Make some friends.

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>>434551
Thing is, Johnny Carson couldn't read his viewers comments and reply in real time

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>>434619
And? You think that changes anything?

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>>434685
Yes, cause some streams actually know top donators names and a personality trait, thus fulfilling the minimum requirement for a relationship.

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>>432013
Choose a JP indie with less than 500 watchers

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>>434619
True, but interaction by itself isn't the dividing line between a real relationship and a parasocial one. People are certainly capable of feeling this way about stage actors and audience interaction is often part of the show. The same with call in radio programs or example.
The key difference is that the entertainer doesn't know who you are. You aren't friends, he doesn't know your opinions, your history, you have no real shared experiences together. Your interaction is part of the show. It gets a little fuzzy here but you can determine it this way. If you can contact the person off the air and shoot the shit or hang out with them, that's a real relationship. If the person in question would call security, that's a parasocial one.

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>>432013
Ina is a GFE vtuber? I've always seen her as a big sister/relatable friend type.

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The easiest way is to just avoid live streams. The immediacy is part of the appeal.

If the game they're playing appeals to you, switch them out for a no-commentary LPer.

Don't watch their chat/singing streams, as that puts the focus on the character.

The trick is visualizing yourself in place of the streamer. Once you realize the person is speaking to an empty room, the illusion is broken.

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>>434799
Yes, good idea!

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>>434839
She is unintentionally being one. She's pandering to people that want the comfy relaxing with calm down to earth GF experience. But she obviously isn't doing it on purpose.

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>>435053
True, but it fucking sucks, there's already enough GFE vtubers on hololive. I wouldn't want to see her going down that path just because it brings more views/moolah

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I don't really get how people get chained into these parasocial bonds. Granted, I've always been really shitty at bonding because I'm a schizoid avoidant. That being said...

>>434881
>The trick is visualizing yourself in place of the streamer. Once you realize the person is speaking to an empty room, the illusion is broken.
This is pretty good advice here.

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>>434819
You're missing the huge component that is delusional thinking. Everything else you're describing are just normal relationship things.

>>435457
is it just me or does there seem to be a lot of schizoids around vtubers? It seems to come up regularly.

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>>434881
>The trick is visualizing yourself in place of the streamer. Once you realize the person is speaking to an empty room, the illusion is broken.
That reminded me of this clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pV7bnBRxc4

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>>431146
Start recovering control. First NO archive, anyone doing this is literally training themselves to start stalking. Second, drop twitter and her hidden other channel if they have it. Third, ironically subscribe to tons of channels, you need distractions desperately. Fourth, and last. Make it so you can’t reach the channel anymore, get a job.
Vtubers rely a lot on baiting simps, by acting cute and to some degree pretend innocence. You will fall again if you follow a single channel, to avoid it just set your standards like some games becoming NG or going exclusively to karaoke streams.

One thing though, be careful turning into anti. The reason JP have lots of them is because there are dozen of sites holding all dox information, which destroy the illusion and rudely wake you up, so never ever search for it.

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>>431146
Make friends with other people who watch vtubers. I know 4chan loves to complain about Reddit and Discord, but you're more likely to find friends on them than here. You'll meet a lot of duds, but if you can wade through the cringe, you'll be able to find others you click with. At first, you'll only talk about vtubers but with time you'll find other interests in common or not and you'll have to begin the process anew. You don't have to stop watching vtubers, just make actual social relationships with real people. This advice probably sounds a bit idealistic, but I promise it works.

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>>435819
Anon, people fall on that trap, precisely because they don’t have friends, you are asking too much.

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>>435861
Don't think so, he's just saying do the posting you do on this board in a chat room. Eventually you will form online friendships and while those are a pale imitation of real friendship, it's still a hell of a lot better than a parasocial one.

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>>435656
Emotionally unavailable people have to rely on emotional proxies to fulfill their needs. And here they are, and here you are. I will say about myself that I'm not really into the GFE deal nor do I really want it. I'm just here for the porn and memes.

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>tfw schizoid
legitimately can't understand how do people fall into these parasocial relationships

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>>435457
>>435656
>>436490
I'm a schizoid and I've been shaken badly by getting too into vtubers. I don't know if I'm just getting old, or what. But lately, I've fallen for some of these girls so hard that it has forced me out of my usual detachment from reality. I could say that it's given me hope, actually - but of course, hope is a very dangerous thing. It's made me realize that it might have been worth it to put effort into finding a partner, because kind and interesting women actually exist - they just don't act that way around me because I never put any effort into anything. And it makes me grieve over all the years I wasted when I had no hope that things could ever get better for me. Now, I think maybe they could if I just tried. But the thought that I don't have all that much time left, and the thought of all the good times I could have missed out on...it hurts.

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>>431337
How do you define a GFEtuber?

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>>431146
My issue isn't I've fallen for one
It's that—even though I'm gainfully employed and not a basement dweller—I know the chances of finding a woman like her are infinitesimal. Well it's two-fold, that and one could even exist irl in the first place.

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>>437842
girls like ame who tell you you're handsome and have pretend date nights

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>>437964
at least if you found one like her, you'd have a better chance than a lot of us

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>>432478
no. there's a pandemic out there.

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>>432450
>This channel is a thing.
Man we are in for some weird fucking times heh

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>>432051
Oh shut, I never thought about that

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>>432521
An escort who is willing to role play for you as an anime girl and do it well is out of the budget of most people here

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>>435178
>I wouldn't want to see her going down that path just because it brings more views/moolah
Ina would be the last of the girls to chase views or money. I suspect her IRL self isn't much different than what she portrays on stream. She is just genuinely a sweet person.

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>>438371
Isn't saving a couple thousand bucks to release your need for Ina up an escort's ass worth it. Even if temporary?

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I'm solid that I just can't fall for streamer girls, there is a block in my head that always keeps me grounded because I know they don't know me and irl wouldn't like me.

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>>438503
I have a uh, a friend who has some experience with escorts and he tells me that what you want is just not realistic. You would have to go to Japan to even meet a women who does anime role play. Let me put it this way, in the west you are gonna have an easier time finding an escort who is willing to piss on you than finding an escorts who would cosplay an anime girl for you and know the anime mannerisms.

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>>431268
I have a job, it's 11PM, I'm watching someone sing karaoke.
save me

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>>431146
find some hobbies. make some actual friends. gain a healthy level of detachment.

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>>438592
If true, then move on.
Vtuber at the core are only girls doing their thing, with most of them growing out of their fans. If you are not into indies, then you are into interested girls, because money change people. As for males, I always thing anyone mentioning them on related topics are hypocrites, because there’s no reason to still stick to you average streamer instead of going out your way to Japanese male playing their niche games and throwing local only jokes.

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>>438766
That's hilarious to even think about someone asking. I have no experience with escorts so tell us more about that.
Surely just wearing a costume isn't out of hte question

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>>431146
>he fell for the parasocial meme
mentally weak anon, so weak

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>>438858
Most truthful thing posted in this thread.

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>>438136
See that's the thing. The confluence of interests/wants is so rare that I wouldn't have expected it in a woman. One or two commonalities? Sure, law of averages and all that. Here though, the interests and characteristics of the specific vtuber I have in mind have been mutually exclusive in my experience. A woman will have one or two and not the rest or vice versa. Then I run into this chuuba and my perception of reality is involuntarily shaken to its core because all of these boxes are getting checked off. Some of them I didn't even know I had because of course you're not going to bother worrying if a person shares X interest/want if you went through life "knowing" that just wasn't something you'd _ever_ see in the opposite sex.

Tying this all together, I now know that someone who seems that compatible really IS out there, great right? But based on the way interests skew with the general population and how things further differentiate between local populations (with population density also being a factor) I know the odds of meeting someone with that set of interests/wants is nigh infinitesimal.

The revelation makes no functional difference to me at the practical level whatsoever. KNOWING there is 0% chance of something happening is essentially no different from knowing there is 0.001% chance of happening but now I actually know about that 0.001% chance. "I'll _never_ meet someone like that" then becomes "I _could_ meet someone like that but for all intents and purposes I _won't."

I know I'm not really conveying this well, but this's happened recently so suffice to say I'm still very shook.
Not really related to parasocial relatonships I guess, or maybe it is. I'm not a psych.

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>>439689
Hope is a powerful yet cruel thing, anon. That’s why it’s such a beloved manipulation tool.
Hell, you could even use it on yourself if you try hard enough.

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I know they aren't my friends but they make me realize that I maybe might want friends. I genuinely find some of them fun and interesting and it makes me want to try and develop personal relationships with people. I think I don't have the social skills (or maybe social battery would be a better term?) to deal with being anything beyond a polite acquaintance to someone though. I have a hard time "caring" about people.

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>>434455
Nah senpai we want the long-form content 6hour JRE youtube podcast length explanation

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>>434455
>>440594
Just Bee yourself

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>>441700
Post stats and a thesis statement anon.
Come on I want something good to read thatll let me put off typing case briefs for an hour or so.

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>>431146
Just make a Tulpa out of your Oshi.
It couldn't possibly go wrong.

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>>441919
The dynamics of becoming a different person everyone likes while also being someone who is comfortable with your likes and interests, by A.Non
First published in /adv/ weekly

>basically just do what everyone else does, you don't want to be a loser, do you?

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>>442022
That actually scared me.Thanks I guess.
Here's a doll for you. Think about your Tulpa inhabiting it.

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>>442022
Only do this if you can keep it in your pants. Otherwise you'll end up with wet dreams.

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>>431146
do people unironically struggle with this? like genuine question i can't tell if people are just fucking around anymore or if they genuinely are this pathetic.

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>>447447
It can be both.

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>>447403
I actually had one about Towa and she's nowhere near my favorite, I think it's the slut design subconsciously doing it for my dick. Underwear completely soaked.
Wouldn't mind one about Mio.

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>>431146
>not approaching anything with a healthy dose of jaded cynicism and never with any emotional attachment
ngmi, you're probably young and/or stupid

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>>432110
The way to escape it is to become a commenter that is known by the streamer. I don't mean donate like crazy. I just saw a Callie stream where she expressly thanked some youtuber that critics all her songs. There's also that Mike Tyson's Ass commenter that everyone knows.

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>>437990
Ame is fine, but some like Rushia take it quite far, hence the my wallet is opening itself meme

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>>431146
You just have to remind yourself that she's already in a healthy relationship with someone else

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>>431146
>Posting Ina
Bro you are at Stage 1. Go look at the level of Gosling the Delta Dogs are on and that is only Stage 2. There are deeper levels look at the development of Kana.

I should mention once you are aware you are in a parasocial relationship it is already to late for you. Your only hope is to go deeper and find the light of truth at the bottom.

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God this is shitty advice.
How tf do i stop myself from dreaming about saving my Oshi from BLM-retards and such? My shizzo brain is mixing reality and fiction ahhhhhh

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>>454652
You don't.

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>>439974
Right now I'm just focusing on getting fit and finishing my degree up, I have no idea what I'll do about finding an irl gf like that.

Theyre the kind that never go outside, and how can I meet someone who's always home?

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>>432450
Explain.

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>>454672
Anon i beat a black woman to death to protect her in my dreams cause they were suing her for being idk not black or something THAT CANT BE HEALTHY

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>>454699
It was just a dream anon.

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>>454716

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>>454422
What's in the final stage?

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>>431146
How is that even real hahaha just exit the website it takes one click lmao

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>>431337
what's GFE mean? Just woke up, brain won't work

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I legitimately don't understand how this can even happen to someone. Vtubers are entertainers. They exist to help you pass the time. They're a stranger no different than an actor in a show or movie. There exists no intrinsic relationship between you and them.

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>>458730
It's not that hard to understand. If you're a lonely NEET that has never had female intimacy, just having a vtuber with a cute anime avatar and voice react positively to a superchat or even normal chat can be exhilarating. It's different from an actor because there *is* that little interaction.

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I am in a oneway marriage to Mori Calliope

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>>458305
Government Furnished Equipment

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>>437842
>>458305
If they made you open your wallet and donate against your will they are GFE

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>>432051
Me with an indie with sub 20 viewers.
Guess I'm almost there.

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>>431146
>How to escape
Why? Embrace it!

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Parasocial relationship is worse than to be an actual cuckold.

[Anonymous No.]

>>460023
t. actual cuck

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>>456114
The rope.

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>>431146
By letting your oshi collab with male vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

vtuber and idols are selling fake friendship to you. Any popular person will cringe from the thought of having a relationship with a fan.

Your oshi hates you or thinks you are weird or tries her best not to think about it at all and makes very clear boundaries. When she cries and thanks you it's because she's happy that she made a living from this shit. That's especially true for Japan where education and upbringing is everything so success like this is very rare.

They may have fun and giggles from you but that's it. The only chance for any sort of relationship is if you are also popular content creator. And it will be just a professional relationship most of the time.

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>>460302
>Your oshi hates you or thinks you are weird or tries her best not to think about it at all
I don't understand this point people bring up, why would you "hate" the people that are giving you money and supporting you? Especially if you look at some of the Vtubers that have been saved by their fans, literally (like kiara)

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>>460302
>i'm le blackpilled on shut-ins too self-conscious to show their real faces on stream
nice catch anon I almost felt some humanity for a second there

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>>435053
>She's pandering to people that want the comfy relaxing with calm down to earth GF experience
I feel like that's just 98% of vtubers in general

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>>458305
Great Friendship Entertainer

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>>460501
It's the same deal with prostitutes and how they feel about their clients.

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>>458305
Girlfriend Experience
It's a term straight out of hooking (words like 'john' 'incall' 'outcall' 'bb' 'GFE')

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>>431146
Unironically look up roommates pics if you haven't already. Anime girls are designed to be aesthetically pleasing and possess zero physical flaws. I think this makes people perceive their favorite vtuber as this perfect being that they develop an unhealthy obsession will. Seeing their roommates faces helps humanize these vtubers. It makes you realize that they are just normal people.

Some people might give me shit for promoting looking up such things, but if you genuinely believe you have an unhealthy parasocial relationship with vtubers, I think its the only healthy option.

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>>437811
At least you're reflecting anon, many people don't reach that stage. The second best time to start is now. I believe in you.

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>>460302
You are only projecting your soured views. There are tubers whom had their boyfriends as fans, day one. And others appearing mid-way as their favorite ones.

And of course they eventually get annoyed with stinky fans like you pestering all the time with twitter and game friend invitations.

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>>458730
Back to kikebook

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>>459789
Based

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>>460980
>comparing streamers to literal whores
prostitutes wish they enjoyed their job as much as vtubers do. Not to mention, a lot of prostitution is forced. You can't "force" someone to be a vtuber.
You're just projecting what your thoughts onto them.

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>>461036
I'm certain that most people here have seen their roommates and still love them in spite of that. Even very flawed and imperfect people are beloved. Hell, the alure of some chubba's are that "they are literally me".

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>>431146
Stop viewing it as a hopeless hellhole, faggot. The parasocial relationship can go in any direction you want, that's the whole point of these "real" anime girl vtubers.
>How to escape
You know what, get out. You don't deserve Ina.

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>>439689
Anon, look.
It’s not real.
It just isn’t.
They’re playing a character. When the camera is off they’re the same as any other woman you know, you’re so dazzled by the peacock’s feathers you’ve forgotten the bird it’s attached to is just as prone to drama and infighting as the rest. Why do you think this shithole loves to gossip about vtubers lives? Because like catty housewives discussing celebrities, the only thing they love more than admiring their idols is seeing them fall.

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>>437811
stop going over the past in your head and do something about it. join a gym, start smiling (it'll feel awkward as hell at first), put effort into hygiene (i'm sure you already are), go to a bar or restaurant and just be in that environment untill you start to become more comfortable around people.

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>>461332
They aren’t forced but they went where the money is. They’ve curated their personality to be the most appealing to lonely nerds. And no it’s not hard to do that for x amount of hours during a stream because it’s what women do. Hell it’s what sales people do

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>>461153
Most of them were confirmed to have boyfriends. If they’re an average looking woman with a cell phone, they probably have a boyfriend or are in between boyfriends.

I’m willing to bet these girls even make fun of some of the pathetic shit their fans say, while in a private discord together

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>>461479
How can this parasocial stuff be beneficial to someone? I'm genuinely curious.

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>>463137
Brings about an obsessive passion to create stuff about someone.

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>>461088
Thanks, anon. It actually made me feel a little better to hear that, even from another anon. I've felt so stuck inside my own head for so long.
>>461726
>stop going over the past in your head
This is the hardest part, I don't know how to do that. I guess if I had hobbies and stuff to do to take up my attention, that might do it. But there's been times in my life when I had stuff to occupy me, and it never changed what went on in my head. If anything, being exposed to more people and experiences just fueled my feelings of inadequacy. Often, I couldn't even sleep because I'd keep going over things that happened during the day, or I'd think about what other people thought of me (or rather, how I imagine they thought of me.) Then I'd dread the coming of dawn with my eyes glued open at 5am, and repeat the process. I feel cursed. I want personal intimacy so much, but every time I reach out for it it's like I'm trying to grab a red-hot poker. I can't even listen to vtubers talk about their lives or hobbies or friends anymore, because I try to imagine myself having a normal life like that and can't believe it could happen even in my thoughts. I feel hollow, like there's no "me" there at all, just a hunger for attention and ackowledgement; and I feel that no matter how hard I try to fake it, people will notice that I'm just a husk. Even writing all this out here for some nameless person to read...what's the point? What will change? Whose permission do I need to start trying to live a normal life? It all just makes me dizzy and sad. Yet it's reaching the point where my fear of being trapped like this is going to overcome my fear of failure. I hope it doesn't end like all the times before. I hope someday I might be worthy to even have a friend who's a little like my oshi. I'm just so fucked up.

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>>463137
What >>463888 said. It causes you to want to improve and do things. Especially once you reach the hope stage and realize if the person you are watching likes something you made then it means there are other women out there who do.

As an anon in another thread said this
>No that's the problem I am well aware of that this isn't about having her specifically. The issue is she gave me hope and I have been so hopeless for so long my body literally has no idea how to handle it.

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>>469065
Hardly believable. What I see is already skilled fans jumping the fence and showing their creation. They were not motivated to improve, but to offer tribute.
If is about going out, that’s called moving on.

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>>465497
who's your oshi anyway? Hopefully not one of the shut-ins lol.

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>>469317
I mean if you want a high profile example, Klaius's output exploded after Gura debuted and his art improved a lot. He was nowhere near as prolific or as skilled before.

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>>472962
This one. Her existence has given me an existential crisis. The fact that she's an indie makes it even worse, since she's responded to my comments multiple times.

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>>474312
Oh nooo. It's one thing to fall for a holo but one of these super small indies...oh no...
I did the same thing the other day

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>>474540
It's fucking hell, isn't it? But we can't stop, because it's simultaneously what hurts us and our only coping mechanism for reality.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't believe in "the one," I know a relationship is something you work at and build and realistically there are probably quite a few people on Earth that I would have enough compatibility with to build a successful loving relationship.

That said I don't think any of the people who are in that criteria for me are the types to go outside or use dating sites so I'm probably fucked

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>>476980
I'm in the same boat, anon. I've made myself so strange from self-isolation that all the weird women who I could be compatible with are either too young to have settled into a stable relationship (and thus would never go for me) or so old now that they'd see right through me and know to steer clear. And yet I know it's not strictly impossible that I could turn things around and find somebody, which gives me just enough hope to torture myself with. I'm so fucked.

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>>447361
Why would you post this picture

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>>465497
Can't add to much other than 'samesies'
I find myself thinking of the phrase "Difference between living and being alive" a lot of the time.

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>>460235

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>>474312
It's the fucking worst isn't it. Especially when they like a tweet or something which you posted thinking "Eh I'll try it she probably won't get it." Then she likes it and it is the only thing she liked all day.

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>>481111
Yeah. Sometimes I think I might already be dead, and this is actually hell or purgatory. It would explain a lot.
>>482133
>Then she likes it and it is the only thing she liked all day
I'll add this to my list of "reasons not to use Twitter." Direct acknowledgement from my oshi like that would drive me to legit madness, I think.

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>>489756
>be Delta Dog
>send her google translate messages telling her how happy we all are to have her and encouraging her
>send her silly images
>sometimes she likes them
>she tells us how if she is feeling down she reads through her fanbox messages and it cheers her up
>she wrote an entire song during a depressive episode about how she has become a Gosling for her fans >>471108
>>I love you!, I really love you!, We'll always be together.

If only you knew...

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>>490016
That's actually really cute, though. I didn't know Sex was such a sweetheart. At least when chuubas like her and Polka show love for their fans, it feels more believable. Codependancy has its benefits. With well-adjusted chuubas though, you have to be very careful not to get in too deep, because you know they don't need you except as a fan, so the self-delusion required is way worse. Of course, there are a few like Nene or Kiara who appreciate and reciprocate the love from their fans without making it weird. But you don't choose your oshi, they choose you...Nina, why did I have to discover you? Why do you have to be so perfect?

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Make actual friends.
Yeah, I know.

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Become the guy that does self-improvement reps for his waifu, with with the extremely golden whitepilled knowledge that your waifu is a real physical person that exists in this world.
You can make it, and you can make it "more" than most people that lift for unachievable aesthetics or out of pure fear of getting old.

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>>435819
Literally tried posting on reddit for a while because I hoped I could make friends, and I just ended up hating everyone on the site. The whole structure of that site attracts a certain kind of person who is very socially effeminate, and craves the constant approval of the mob. It's really gross and insidious, once you see it.
4chan might be a pigsty, but at least people just talk to talk. Not every little thing becomes a carefully curated game of gaining social capital.

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>>461036
Doesn't work for me. I have a plain girl fetish.

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>>491109
I mean, we know. Having a peer group with shared interests is like 50% of the way to getting an irl waifu, and even setting that aside it'd make us way happier. But making friends is easier said than done.
>>491316
4chan people have discords and stuff. I mean, I don't use them...but they exist. Some chuubas are /ourgals/, too, and they even have the good sense not to broadcast it. But the trouble is the same no matter what - being interesting and engaging enough to form bonds with people over the internet.

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>>431146
have relationship with my cock you idiot.

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>>491433
I don't trust discord. It gives me anxiety.

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>>461036
This is the wrongest post in this thread. I've seen plenty of roommate pics and not once have they discouraged me. Not even Botan, I'd knock up that sexy hag in a heartbeat and give her all the autistic hafu babies she's capable of producing.
>>491431
Based taste. Plain is justice.

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>>491852
>Chio
My man

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>>491936
If I were the type to buy anime merch, I'd want a "Plain Janes with Glasses" DVD box set. Chio-chan is the best.

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>>461036
>He thinks roommate pics breaks down the parasocial relationship
The only thing this does is makes the relationship feel more plausible.

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>>491758
Unfortunately that happens to be where everyone is when they aren't shitposting here. Or on Twitter I guess. Then there's the IRC types but they tend to be oldfags or from /g/. The ladies are on discord, and you gotta go where they are to find them. It might help to imagine that they don't like using it any more than you do, they just go where the people are. Also, have a hobby you're into first, and pick the server based on that, so that you have something relevant to talk about.

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>>461036
I've been sold on Mori since day 1 and then I developed oneitis because she's literally me but cute. After the inital honeymoon though I felt like I was trying to force having oneitis towards her and I had to reflect on it. Then someone posted her roommate in a place I wasn't expecting and the oneitis flared up again. Today, I'm over it. I think shes a cute dork and I would date someone like her if I found some girl like her, but I'm no longer a (rabid) ghostling. I disagree with anon here, don't look up roommates because it'll probably bring back your oneitis and you'll have a irl version of them to gosling over in your delusions.

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>>493268
>no girl will send you shitty memes at 2AM
oh well

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>>493268
If you never look up roommate, your fantasy will always keep her in a state that most appealing to your mind. It might die out from time-to-time, but guaranteed to come back eventually. If you really wanna break the cycle, you have to completely loose yourself first. I was the same ghostling as most, but since she's more grounded now being as her roommate, I just think of her as a cool and cute friend who is nice to hang out with. Yes, I'm also talking about Mori.

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>>493746
Ame sends us weird shit at 4 A.M., just in case you want more chuubas to follow.

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>>435178
Anything's a GFE if you're lonely enough. Ina isn't GFE by any stretch but she really makes my kokoro go dokoro.

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>>494051
like what?

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>>432521
>They sell Ina costumes on alieexpress
You've dashed my hopes

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>>496440
Sorry anon, I meant taobao. Also I've seen better ones than this one listed but I can't find them after a 30 second glance at the result page. You might have better luck than me.
There's also ones for the other holos if you're into them.

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>>491316
I think the worst part of reddit is the karma system, discord and twitter may be shitholes but it's users at least try to make a genuine discussion from time to time. Every single time I open a post on any non-niche subreddit it's like a competition for who makes the wittier but politically correct joke. How people use that site as anything more than a forum you read for specific info and then nope the fuck out is beyond my mind.

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>>434881
It actually helps me more to look at the viewer count, because then I ask myself,
>what would a crowd of 100, 1000, 10000 people look like?
It brings me back to reality because then I remember to think of it like a concert hall situation. You're just part of a mass of people that they don't even see.

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>>431316
>>432110
parasocial relationships are real, though. it's not pop psych.

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>>431146
just get a girlfriend lmao