/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

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How do JOPs cope with never being able to fully enjoy a HoloEN stream? Do they even care?

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>>4405644
How do EOPs cope with never being able to fully enjoy a HoloJP stream? Do they even care?

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>>4405644
I don't understand Japanese but I sure do watch JP's. Feelings and emotions are universal. Also, the shork often addresses them in her limited Japanese, which I find both commendable and adorable. Samegaki is a treasure and I want them to see and enjoy her as much as we do.

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>>4405715
no actually. dont think were missing that much anyways

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>>4405644
Don't they learn English in school over there?

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>>4405644
Don’t they get a better experience? They don’t have to understand all of the dumb shit they say and just get to watch a shark be cute.

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>>4405780
Yes but it's mostly simple english at best, plus most don't even retain what they learned if they think they're never gonna use it in the future.

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>>4405644
They hardly care. They think her design is cute and that's it

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>>4405880
>>4405780
Asia in general is all about the numbers. THey doon't "Learn" anything, all they need to do is retain enough to pass. Why study at all when you can just cheat? English is mandatory in most schools in Japan, but no one knows how to speak English.

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>>4405928
That's pretty much how I see the entire JP side of Holo

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>>4405644
I'm addicted to watching EN clips made by JPbros, there's even some clippers who made guides on how to study english to be able to understand the EN holos better.
The comments are always painfully horny for gura, it seems like she's the most popular with them by a longshot, followed by calli and call+chicken, then ina and ame on somewhat equal grounds I'd say. maybe ame is less popular.

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>>4406057
Why don’t ENfags make a guide for Japanese?

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>>4406181
I thought we already had a painful amount of those.

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>>4406265
You’re right I should’ve checked before I posted

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>>4405880
>>4405996
Ah, so it's like Americans learning Spanish.

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>>4406317
Estas en lo correcto mi querido amigo. La mayoria(y me refiero como al 99%) de los americanos no podrian ni ordenar tacos en una taqueria mexicana.

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>>4406403
I don't know what you said, but I'm able to order off the Taco Bell menu so I think I know enough Spanish to get by

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>>4406317
Nooo asians are bad not us!!

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>>4406317
Sort of yeah. They are a bit friendlier with English though because they constantly have to read our alphabet either online or from our products or on Japanese export products. Even if they can read the words on something they may not really understand much of it however, it's sort of the opposite of how it's easier for us to understand spoken Japanese than it is to read it fluently.

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>>4406317
I purposely learned as little as possible

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I'm ESL and I can hardly anderstand half what they say, but I just enjoy what I can get.

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>>4405715
JPs are boring as fuck tho

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>>4406403
Yo estudio español por diez años mas o menos y yo recuerda muy poco.

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>>4406547
I'm the same with JP holos, it's really exciting when I can understand many sentences or a most of a couple minutes worth of them talking.

Some of them though (Marine) talk super fast and use a lot of obscure references and I can't understand her at all. Since there are only a couple HoloENs I'd think it's not that easy to notice which ones are easier to understand for ESLs but I'd assume Mori has the most precise pronunciation of her words so would be easiest to get.

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>>4406576
That's funny because I'm not an JOP but I think the same about the ENs.

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>>4406591
Ya veo

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>>4406625
Yes, Mori speaks clearly like a patient teacher.

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>>4406181
>>>/jp/djt
>>>/int/djt

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I translated some of the stuff of the second 4Chan x Futaba thread that we had some time ago, regarding HoloEN...

>Mori is liked a lot because of the amount of work she does for her songs, also because hardworker in general, her gap moe is one of the most discussed topics according to them and also one of the reasons she's so liked, as they say:
>"Mori is like if the concept of Gap Moe came to life, or death"
>People tune in to Ina's streams just for the comfy atmosphere even if they understand nothing, also because drawing and chill tako
>"Tako is very cute, very calm"
>Kiara's personality is fun to see in action for them but her voice is a hit or miss for viewers, which is a shame because she tends to talk in Japanese so the JPs understand the context of her topics, they are still surprised that she understands Japanese so well, they also like seeing Kiara struggle, not suffer, just struggle
>"Wait, she speaks Japanese well too?"
>JPbros struggle to understand or watch Amelia, they like the fact that she's very different from the entire group in terms of dynamics and humor but they can't understand her, language barrier and different humor makes them half-way unable to enjoy her streams and thus they get filtered, some are trying to learn English to watch her but most of the Japanese Teamates are on middle school level of English and according to them, "Japanese apps to learn english suck, I want to understand Watson"
>"Kaigai-Nikki, is this what you feel when trying to understand Haachama?, because we don't understand her either!!!"
>Gura is liked a lot, she contests Mori on popularity charts, they really like her gimmick and voice, specially when she sings, and they joke about Gura "Increasing the amount of Lolicons" or "Outing them", they like the fact that her voice fits her character very well,they don't know or don't care about HER.
>(#CatShark stream)
>"200k people watching a small girl showing her body, so the world is truly filled with pedos(sarcasm?)".

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>>4406824
It's like looking in a mirror...

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>>4406591
el mismo con mi, se entiende los parablas pero no se requerdon quando yo nessesita hablar con otros
la sola persona en mi familia que yo se nessesita habla en espanol es mi mamita, pero se hablar en el telefono como cada mes

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I've watched enough anime to somewhat understand what JP vtubers are saying when they're streaming games.
I can barely understand anything when they do zatsudans though.

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>>4405928
Interesting claim when I have seen they care about her more than just “hardly”.

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>>4406057
>I'm addicted to watching EN clips made by JPbros
I'm kinda like this too, I genuinely want to know what they think. And hope for a lewd comment or opinion here and there.

This is one of the rare examples of media that isn't fucking shit (American woke propaganda) around which we can gather and discuss it, and I think there's great potential in mutual translations. Why aren't older JP streams subtitled in English? And vice versa? Why is that not a thing? It should be someone's legit job to do this. If Cover did that it would draw a lot of people to the JP side as well. As a eurofag I'm used to listening to languages I barely understand or not at all, so I can and do watch JP holos, but most people aren't like that.

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>>4406972
Full streams can't be subtitled since Cover will strike you for that. Thus, clipfags exist.

Would be cool if Cover had internal translators just do entire fucking JP streams but of course you can just add that to the list of "things cover needs to do."

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>>4406972
>Why aren't older JP streams subtitled in English?
Answer I think is that, there's too much fucking content, it's a black hole of content, there's more and more being produced every day at a rate that is inhumanly impossible to watch, you'd have to be watching day in and out for several months to even catch up to a single on of the first gen's current archive, not to mention the amount of deleted content from the archives due to cover's retardedness that lost us a shit ton of content.

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>>4406972
That doesn't work anon, if anything we should probably leave this "ecosystem" to naturally grow and don't accelerate cross-cultural whatevers or we risk "contaminating it" beyond repairing, like what the Americans did with AAA videogames or their big budget movies.

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>>4407002
>Would be cool if Cover had internal translators
That's what I was talking about. Cover should do it by themselves.

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>>4407048
There's truth to that. I'd rather not understand anything than have the infection spread.

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>>4406824
Does Watson get praise from the elitists for being a JOP filter over there similar to how some holos get praise over here for being EOP filters?

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>>4405644
The same way that EOPs cope about JP streams

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>>4405644
I kek'd.
On the off chance that this is not a joke, hang yourself globalnigger.

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>>4406576
jps are so much better than ens

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>>4407158
I don’t think Ame’s humor clicks with JOP or Asians.

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>>4407214
The ENs generally are nice but because there's only 5 of them of course they can't compare to the entire JP roster.

Even then though, these days a ton of JPs are generally has-beens and are really fucking inactive besides a couple standouts (Fubuki, Miko etc) for anything prior to Gen 3. Really a lot of the fire of Holo is Gen 3 onward.

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>>4407214
Grass is greener on the other side.
Yeah.

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>>4407183
Watching silently while we understand one or two words every now and then and then suffering because we can't fully understand them and even if we did we probably don't have the same culture than them and that means we will never be closer to them?

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>>4406824
>Japanese teammates are on middle school level of English and can't understand her
Was something lost in translation here? There are plenty full grown adults over here in burger land who can't speak at a middle school level. That would be more than enough to understand an Ame stream.

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>>4406317
Yes. Though it's not compulsory, just highly recommended and only two years at most. Is Spanish compulsory in schools now I haven't been in high school in a decade?

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>>4407283
It's more like the english they learn in middleschool, than the english a burger middleschooler would speak.

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>>4407337
Ok, that makes a lot more sense

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>>4407063
Doesn't that cost money though?

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>>4407258
To be honest all the EN girls are pretty formidable talents in their own right.

Also on the note of English - it's been compulsory in Croatian schools since circa 1992. But the difference here is that in Europe you are surrounded by people with different languages so you intrinsically kinda learn to pick up cues and emotional states or intents from languages you don't even understand. And most of us know at least one more language by default. I for instance know English and German. I can decipher written Italian as well. Americans are barely able to handle English and in recent years it has begun to degenerate as a language.

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>>4405780
>https://www.ef.com/wwen/epi/
even chile has better english than japs, they are dumb af

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>>4407283
>Was something lost in translation here?
For them?, Of course, there was an example on their threads of JP school/apps english and it is either very broken on large sentences or there's a noticeable repetition of certain words and grammatical structures, it seems like whoever designs the study plans purposely holds back on more complicated stuff, no idea if it is a cultural thing.

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>>4405644
you can never be american.txt

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>>4406591
>>4406912
you have a broken spanish (like my english) but it's fine because you are rarely use.
>>4406442
Taco bell is shit and they dont sell real tacos

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>>4406972
>Why aren't older JP streams subtitled in English
A lot of the special events are (as a Miko fan the stream where she showed off her old 3D model is for example https://youtu.be/LKCkAmdWt68))

Subbing daily gaming streams or stuff like that is an insane endeavor and will never happen though, lol.

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>>4407221
That wasn't what I was saying. Sometimes you will hear people here say "I love Shion since she is a based EOP filter". Since >>4406824 directly mentioned that Ame filtered people I was wondering if you have people over there go "I love Amelia since she is a based JOP filter"

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>>4407474
Part of the problem exists because a lot of JP english learning books and study plans were designed by JP individuals who learned broken english themselves too, let the problem run wild for a generation or two and you got the unreliable modern Japan "English tests" which EN speaking natives tend to fail because the teachers learn a lot of english but never really practice it with anyone that isn't Japanese so mistakes just keep getting made and taught to others, the average Japanese who actually paid attention to his EN lessons in High School might be able to understand some informal text in English (like YT comments or some memes without the humor) but will likely not be able to get through a book let alone a conversation, much less an informal one, it's a very serious problem that the JP government is trying to solve but they don't know how because it's rooted deep within the systems they funded for decades.

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>>4405996
nobody from america has ever learned japanese

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>>4405780
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOeS9ZqztgY

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>>4407324
It's not compulsory, but at least where I'm from, a second language is a requirement to get into any college.

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>>4405644
How do Japanese people cope with knowing that even if they marry the love of their lives they'll just end up cheating on them anyway?

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>>4408008

Learning a different language in general is hard as fuck no matter what. I've been cracking away at Japanese for a bit and while I can understand enough to enjoy streams I still sound like a retard if I actually try to speak it. I've come to terms with the fact that I will never be a fluent speaker and am just happy that I can at least understand something.

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>>4407324
It was at mine a decade ago, not spanish specifically but for 99% of schools that's the only language offered because nobody that can teach a european or asian language is going to work for public school wages

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>>4407474
Interesting how Indonesia is lower than Japan, yet among ID vtubers, the worst English speakers are better than the best JP vtuber English speakers.

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>>4405715
It brings immense pain to click on Rushia streams or browse her thread where they talk about what's going on with her because unless I learn a whole new language I'm just fucked. There is no cope, only suffering.

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>>4406957
Ogey

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>>4408705
>I've come to terms with the fact that I will never be a fluent speaker and am just happy that I can at least understand something.
>He gave up
WEAK

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>>4408875
They're slowly coming up with the EN collabs, if you don't dig it's hard to tell there's even an ID branch because they didn't get much promotion for a long time. I thought Moona was some indie the first time I saw her in the gurame minecraft collab. Then there's the people who self filter thinking it's going to sound like the pajeets from microsoft support

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Reminder that Japan is heavily isolated from the rest of the world when it comes to media and conversation. The concept of talking to everyone from around the world in the same language is foriegn to them.
There could be germans in this thread, likely are. French. Danish. Turkish. South Americans. Indians maybe. When you know English the entire first world, minus Japan (though even there most everything has an english option), opens up to you.

Imagine for a moment you have a niche interest like v-tubing but it's the other way around, you're japanese and the primary audience is english viewers. Do you really think the few Jap translators will translate your content for you? I don't see any Japanese vinesauce clips or Japanese Jerma clips, etc etc.

Genuinely you should feel bad for them. Their language is cool, and their media great, as well as culture, in general, but come on -- being denied the internet of over two billion fluent to semi fluent speakers? How many more know enough to pass? It's a pity. The only thing even remotely comparable for a westerner is the great firewall of china -- isn't it insane imagining all those forums and videos you'll never see, and of those you do you'll never understand? Even then though -- we know what modern China looks like. Not exactly a great place for interesting thought or kind people.

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>>4409203
>There could be germans in this thread, likely are. French. Danish. Turkish. South Americans. Indians maybe
Nobody gives a shit about me and my happy pineapple.

Isolation is a prerequisite for culture though. Discrimination, the root of uniqueness.

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>>4408008
It also doesn't help that the JET program is a scam both ways. JET gets to under pay English teachers and weebs get to come to Japan cheap and realize it is not what they thought and leave in a year or two.

I once watched like 8 years ago with a JET teacher bitching he had to teach kids with songs and they wanted him to not have dreds (he was white). Was super disrespectful and wondered why all the people he worked with hated him.

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imagine not using livestream content to learn

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>>4409370
>they wanted him to not have dreds
Anyone who wears dried turds on his head deserves to be mocked and ridiculed.

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>>4409370
Watched a video*

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>>4409344
Friend, I will happily take the position of the American. I dislike many things about my country and it's current culture, but I've seen first hand the work of immigrants and the benefits of multiculturalism when done as more than a buzz word.
To be able to hear Japanese, Chinese, Spannish, German -- all in one day -- is a gift. To enjoy each culture in the same day is likewise a gift.
That I can find most any media in English is a tremendous gift. The internet feels infinite to me. I know there are corners dark to me yet lit for others -- but said corners are rapidly diminishing.

I don't know how often an English speaker takes an honest look at our luxary, but it is truly something to not underappreciate or estimate. Any minute I can watch multitudes of foriegn films or streamers fully translated or easily talk with a serb or croat. I live in mental luxary such. We all do, if you understand me.

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>>4409200
>discovering id through gura
Damn we got a newfag over here

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>>4409507
>reading the whole post: the post

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>>4409200
I always found this weird that people didn't know about them. I started watching Risu because I was confused how three of the girls were only 30k when the rest were starting to break 200k. It was only after watching whatever she was doing live at the time I checked her videos and saw she was new. I still saw her on the schedule and though.

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>>4405780
I fucking wish we didn't.

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>>4405644
99% don't care, they have better chuubas to watch.

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>>4409645
It seems like ID was something they felt obligated to do because of niji, and they just gave them the holostars treatment until they realized it was a perfect bridge between the two main branches

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>>4405644
they're not missing out on anything good

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>>4406666
based satan quads

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>>4408947
What is the rrat?

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>>4408922
dont give up fandead!!
if you truly love her you wont give up, you will keep going for her
just dont give up

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>>4409200
i thought risu was an indie when i discovered her

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>>4405780
Hello my name is anon
I'm fine sankyou, and you?

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>>4407835
Of course, they always did that since absolutely forever, even with things unrelated to vtubers like games or tv shows.

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>>4410973
Huh, I gotta say it's interesting reading this sort of thing.

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>>4405644
through cunny, community

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>>4410973
lmfao
despite such an incredibly different culture with different values to anglo countries, they really do mirror us in attitudes completely

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>>4410973
>seeing these idiots begging for a fan translation makes me think they should have kept blocking it in japan
>Blocking it in Japan is better. That way you can feel superior just for having it in your library
LMAO

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>>4407283
Burger midle school english would be regarded as having great english skills in most of the world. Think of middle school english in countries that dont speak english as elementary school tier for americans

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>>4406317
>Ah, so it's like Americans learning Spanish.
More like Americans learning English.

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>>4405780
If the Holos are anything to go by, the Japanese seem to forget most of the English they learn in school by the time they're in their 20s. Suisei is the "smart" one and Duolingo ripped her a new asshole.

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>>4409499
>immigrant
>proceed to mention first world country
Do you really think Americans who oppose immigration hate the immigrants from those countries?

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They have
>Pekora - the literal apex of Vtubers and the golden standard of entertainment in the Vtube scene
>Marine - one of the most charismatic and characteristically interesting vtubers since Mito
>Aqua - a female that is actually good at vidya and excels at idolshit. Basically the average nip's wet dream.
>Rushia - the best voice in the business and an actual legitimate siren
>Korone - the only holo that plays obscure retrogames and manages to be hyperactive during endurance streams from start to finish with nearly zero downtime
>Towa - the only middle-aged smoker in hololive that uses voice changer.
Yeah they literally miss nothing.

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>>4406317
REEEEEE SHUT UP

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>>4410973
>Trash can't even speak English and wants to play western games
Mirror...
They truly are our distant, retarded twin after all.

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>>4405644
I only watch IDs

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>>4405780
bruh i had french classes for 10 years and i can't speak SHIT for french.

also, fuck any language that genders its words

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>>4407474
>even chile has better english than japs,
Japanese is completely different from English on every level. Learning English from Spanish is a cakewalk.

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>>4413418
China is not a first world country. Its a second world country since it was part of the communist block.

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>>4413304
kek

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>>4413304
KEK

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>>4406824
what does HER mean? will some kind anon spoonfeed me?

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>>4410973
i wonder how many of them love Shogun 2 since it's the best historical TW and sets in their country

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>>4410822
Different person but thanks for the kind words

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>>4407451
>and in recent years it has begun to degenerate as a language.
If by recent years you mean the past 500 years, then yeah. Also if you only know 2 languages, you're as bad as most Americans. 4 Languages is the bare minimum nowadays.

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To be fair, they're not really missing out

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>>4406057
Same, watching a JP clip of Gura singing ahoy was hilarious since one of the commentators basically compared it to Marine’s version being Showa and Gura’s being cute and lively.

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>>4405644
They make threads similar to this one and seethe.

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>>4416434
>bruh i had french classes for 10 years and i can't speak SHIT for french.
fail

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what's crazy is all the countries which btfo japan with their english, including china

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>>4407221
>I don’t think Ame’s humor clicks with JOP or Asians.
Stop speaking out of your ass, Amelia is like the second most popular HoloEN by far in Taiwan and Korea.

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>>4422414
Well you also have to take into account speaking English is also a norm in most of the top countries there, hell I even know some people that speak English more than their native language.

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>>4422516
As expected of Gura's gf

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>>4405780
>>4405880
Someone else on this board said it best
>In Japan there is no urgency to learn english because you are not planning on immigrating to Canada

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>>4419460
It means you should kill yourself newfag

[Anonymous No.]

quand il y a un chuuba francais?

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I've seen japanese people who hate japanese vtubers cutesy voice but prefer the flow of english speaking vtubers (they think It's cool)

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>>4409344
Is Croatian a bitch to learn for an EOP?

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>>4423777
This. My oshi was praised by JPbros because they thought her “english” accent when speaking japanese sounded sexy.

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>>4407835
The Kusogaki is a EOP filter because she does more zatsudans than actually play games though.

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>>4416434
Leafchama...

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>>4405715
fpbp
>How do EOPs cope
Found my oshi in EN, don't have the free time to follow anyone else desu

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>>4425692
same, i now exclusively watch pomu, finana, and a bit of gura. JP suddenly became boring to me.

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>>4407201
>joke
So you cope by acting elitist about what threads on this shithole you browse to feel better about yourself? Jesas.

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>>4406547
>I'm ESL and I can hardly anderstand half what they say
huh? all EN girls are pretty easy to understand, what kind of ESL is this though? self learn or second language as a school subject?

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>>4405780
In my country right after I finished school they made it mandatory for children to take English every year, meaning 11 years of English. When you take in consideration that shit you learned as a child supposedly sticks in your mind better, you'd think that everybody here spoke Eigo, but it's rare to find a person who can understand anything more complicated than "Hello, I'm fine".
Learning languages in school doesn't mean shit, if a person doesn't specifically want to know these languages.

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>>4405780
Bro even the fucking textbooks are wrong over there

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>>4419460
HER is nyanners

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>>4425341
an exact mirror

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>>4405644
dont give a fuck at all. holo jp centers around japanese culture and lifestyle. so every zatsudan and many planned collab shows are all about japanese and highly "cultured". for instance, eops will never ever understand whats going on and what they are talking about in these streams. all they can do is pretend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVIPGSatp2o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCzEy-CRAMA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps3FGsjeNNo

holo en is globohomo shit so their "english" standards dont have the center. they only talk about some shallow globohomo shit or themselves. which is pretty much npc stuff.

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>>4428261
So cute! He thinks he's turning japanese!

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>4428261
there were so many election tourist buzzwords in that post I don't even think a human wrote this. is the CIA running some psyop on /vt/ now?

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>>4408705
what your method of learning?

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>>4408705
oh my sad little できない

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>>4422414
in denmark, it's not all that uncommon for people from two different cities or towns to just start talking in english if they can't understand the other even though they both speak danish

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>>4426686
What country is that? How do you learn 11 years of eigo but not know any.

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>>4429095
>>4426686
it's very simple, language isn't about knowledge it's about skill. It requires constant practice and muscle memory, you're not going to learn to play soccer by studying how it works from books and watching games, sure you might know all the rules well but if you actually tried to play you'd be mediocre at best if you put in effort in your studies and absolute garbage at worst if you just did it for a grade.

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>>4423957
Yes. It's a difficult and complex language.

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>>4405780
Basically the only know their ABCs. Watch the jps play that stupid vr horror game. They can all read the notes but none of them can grasp what the words mean.

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>>4406824

that's honestly sweet. if only this board could be as wholesome.

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>>4425753
You miss the point.

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>>4432374
futaba is a shitshow don't let these cherry picked comments fool you. Though most of the racism is against koreans and chinese.

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Imagine not knowing both English and Japanese.
Literally two of the most relevant languages when it comes to entertainment media

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>>4428816
huh? accents that diverged? or is one speaking german

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>>4432953
It's not uncommon in Europe. And by that I mean it's very common. Here in Croatia we have three major dialects which are further fragmented into local dialects. You can and do have people that live next to each other and they'll share maybe 50% of the vocabulary or less. Not because they're speaking a different or foreign language but because place A may retain archaisms that B does not and vice versa. And on top of that comes the who-ruled-who deal and foreign influences. The official Croatian language that is used in schools and media is based on the shtokavian dialect which is understood by all because it's the smallest and youngest dialect, but as a consequence "official" Croatian sounds stilted and weird to everyone since nobody actually talks like that. It's a vastly more complicated situation than one part of America using a y'all and the other you all.

It took us 300 years just to come up with and agree upon ortography, because the other two dialects - chakavian and kajkavian - had mutually divergent traditions that were centuries old. Meaning, before the American continents were discovered books were being written in those languages and so on.

The same is true for most of Europe. France brutally suppressed its linguistic diversity for instance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4432737
imagine being such a consoomer that you learn an entire language in order to consoom more entertainment

[Anonymous No.]

>>4433151
that's crazy for a country with such a small population. yeah in america you're gonna understand everyone no matter what

[Anonymous No.]

>>4435481
Imagine trying to shame soneone for learning a language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4435906
when do you plan to start mastering english?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4433151
Same thing here in Bulgaria. I have some Western Bulgarian friends, more commonly referred to as Macedonians with whom I mostly communicate with in English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4436033
>I have some Western Bulgarian friends, more commonly referred to as Macedonians
is this some revanchist shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>4413304
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>4435953
>when do you plan
>plan to start
>english
Anon, are you ok?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4410973
>skeletons are cool!
Fuck yeah JP brothers, fuck yeah!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4436079
He isn't exactly being "revanchist" as much as everything in the Balkans is immensly ancient and complex beyond your wildest dreams. For instance you probably never even assumed this was a thing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarian_Empire

[Anonymous No.]

>>4410973
brings tears to my eyes, maybe i should stop going to /pol/

[Anonymous No.]

>>4436079
Oh fuck no, the only territory I want back is Aegean Thrace (and Tsarigrad teehee), Macedonia can eat shit. I'm just trying to stay on topic and in this case, the fact that most of their words are completely foreign to us, even if their language structure is identical to ours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4436259
>tfw would never again see my homeland span from Larissa to Dnieper to Pest
What's the point of it all

[Anonymous No.]

>>4405780
They only know how to say: Hello, how are you? Fine, thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4438712
OH MY GAH

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>>4405715
Started doing my reps, are japs capable of doing theirs?

[Anonymous No.]

Japanese people are extremely self-interested. I've seen some people in their clip channels say they wish they could understand EN but I think most have never seen

[Anonymous No.]

>>4406972
>rare examples of media that isn't fucking shit (American woke propaganda)
Fuck off to >>>/pol/ .

[Anonymous No.]

>>4439244
>being tired of obvious bullshit constantly shoved down your throat is nazi

[Anonymous No.]

Why does Gura screaming sound like she's saying uooooooooooh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4439316
Gura screaming sounds like a flute

[Anonymous No.]

>>4436259
Fucking Balkanization

[Anonymous No.]

>>4435481
それはそう

[Anonymous No.]

>>4406972
I wonder if Ame's hired clipper will also double as a JP translator.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4414635
DONTA

[Anonymous No.]

>>4436345
what does it have to do with /pol/?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4446578
Even if they aren't, the clips' very existence would make it easy to add translations later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4416434
are you actually retarded? it took half that time for me to become fluent in mandarin and fairly close to fluent in cantonese (which imo is way harder)

[Anonymous No.]

>>4405644
English is easier to learn than Japanese. I am a native Japanese speaker.

It only took me about 1-2 years to fully grasp the English language but I still struggle with more complicated Kanji at times in Japanese.

From my time living in the west, English speakers are much more lenient on how somebody speaks their language compared to Japanese, so it is easier to understand and converse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4447814
To reiterate, the idea that we will never fully enjoy a HoloEN stream is not even an idea at all, because English is very easy to figure out as JOP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4413304
KEK

[Anonymous No.]

>>4447814
>I am a native Japanese speaker.
100% sure this is fake

[Anonymous No.]

I think JOP's just lurk streams. they're probably too scared to comment in English. Although, they can get clippers to translate jp to en. there used to be a few I knew but they poofed off my feeds.

>>4405780
English is the most popular language to learn in that country due to the excessive exposure in media over there but believe the teachers don't know what the fuck their doing. Otherwise the language barrier wouldn't be this huge with speakers all these years. especially in the vtuber space.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4447814
>I still struggle with more complicated Kanji at times in Japanese.
which kanji do you struggle with? sure i "struggle" with words like eleemosynary but it doesn't mean anything about the difficulty of english

[Anonymous No.]

>>4447850
>>4447814
I refuse to believe a japanese person would submit themselves to using this board as a place to discuss vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4447814
I suppose that makes sense. English is a fairly easy language to understand what people are trying to say in even if that person has a horrible grasp of the language or a terrible accent

[Anonymous No.]

>hurr she got 1M eggs btfooooo am i right guys? ahaha
Nobody cares KFP schizos. She was still last which means she is the most unliked person in EN. She is seething about this so hard you can hear it in her voice. What a failure. Imagine simping for Kiara
Here let me redpill you about your Oshi you retards:

She gets random schizo attacks out of nowhwere because she is mentally ill:

https://streamable.com/s0xgh7
https://streamable.com/s0xgh7
https://streamable.com/s0xgh7

The reason for that is because she got raped as a kid. Here is proof / her confession:

https://streamable.com/99j9jy
https://streamable.com/99j9jy
https://streamable.com/99j9jy

For EOP retards: She tells her fans that she is in fact not pure. She tells them she got raped. She is defiled. Forever tainted. She is filthy and retarded and mentally ill.You KFP schizos simp for failure like her absolute top kek

Since then she has a rape, humiliation and exhibitionist fetish. See here:

https://streamable.com/na4aaa
https://streamable.com/na4aaa
https://streamable.com/na4aaa

and here

https://imgur.com/a/xysBhZV
https://imgur.com/a/xysBhZV
https://imgur.com/a/xysBhZV

THIS is your Oshi. Abused, retarded, mentally ill girl with no future. Cope and seethe you stupid fucks. Spam your egg memes all you want it won't save her
I'm in the process of making a documentary about her past life and her failures. So you have something to look forward too.
Auf Wiedersehen!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4448197
Not that anon but at the risk of sounding retarded I fully admit to still confusing 持つ and 待つ from time to time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4407474
>Indonesia below Japan
>Thailand that fucking low
>France that high

This ranking reeks of pure bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4448258
yeah i mean if you just started learning i can understand, but this guy's a native speaker.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4448335
Oh, no, ive been learning for half a decade and consider myself decently proficient. But yeah I'm interested in what native-kun gets confused.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4447814
>English is easier to learn than Japanese
extreme doubt, go and learn the weird quirks english has

[Anonymous No.]

I'm truly think that's EN was the worse mistake ever happend to hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4448482
Its literally just the whacko spellings, literally everything else about the language is baby tier

[Anonymous No.]

>>4448535
what's your native and what did you find hard about english?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4448304
no one in thailand is capable of doing something

[Anonymous No.]

>>4413418
I didn't say I wanted my country or internet to be a dumping ground. I'm all for legal immigration and have somewhat of a gray position on illegal immigration -- thought biased against.
Multiculturalism doesn't mean erasing culture or become hispanic. It also doesn't mean accepting every culture. I'll gladly enjoy Koreans, Chinese, Germans, kind and upright Iranians, South Americans, etc. Even Africans are usually pretty fine. But you won't find me accepting mr mooslum with two wifes or mr ccp mouthpiece or mr druglord.

The ideal America is one where being American comes first, I.E our values and laws. In such a society multiculturalism works great.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4448572
Spanish, and just pronouncing some weird words sometimes that get my tongue twisted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4448498
You can't even speak English properly. How do you want to understand them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4448535
talking about this https://www.insider.com/weird-english-language-rules-2019-1

[Anonymous No.]

>>4448791
all of that is nothing compared to japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>4448673
no grammar stuff? where's this english is impossible meme coming from then. i just assumed it was true but i guess a lot of people learned it. starting to think if the chinese or japanese took over the world they'd still have to use english as the exchange language

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>>4426347

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>>4448146
>>4448198
I currently study in America, so 2channel is not exactly an option for me, and normal westerner forums remind me of my albeit when I lived in my home town. They all act and say the same opinions.

>>4448197
I lived in the industrial district of Japan so my education was not as good as my city peers but I excelled in English studies.
I struggle with the lettering and the correlated phonetics similar to what this Anon >>4448258 has stated, but I do not struggle with conversation.

>>4448482
There are many minor difficulties to English such as "Tony" and "Ptoughneigh" sounding the same, but they are very minor, and these quirks very rarely will inconvenience me in my daily life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4449706
>Ptoughneigh
wtf? lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>4450504
My American friend is named Tony, and I was told it could be spelled that way. English phonetics are very strange.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4439058
You will never be Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

Why would japs care about some western whores?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4405644
Why the fuck would you want to watch a HoloEN stream, outside of maybe Ina all of them are painfully fucking cringe and unfunny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4407258
>these days a ton of JPs are generally has-beens
Still good content, numberfag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4405644
why would they care, HoloJP has so many members that there's someone to appeal to anyone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4451077
you will never be anglo

[Anonymous No.]

>>4405715
(You). Now go shit up threads someplace else

[Anonymous No.]

>>4405715
I think that being able to understand Korone would make her less cute.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4454093
That's where you're wrong, bucko

[Anonymous No.]

>>4424521
Lemme guess, Calli?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4454487
Well, we both know it wasn't Kiara.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4428261
Ywnbj

[Anonymous No.]

>>4448693
Yee, that's why I hate them!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4413304
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>4454093
shit take

[Anonymous No.]

>>4448535
You forgot Strong verbs, apophonic plurals and weird-ass word order changes. Articles can also be tricky if they don’t exist in your language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4406824
>"Kaigai-Nikki, is this what you feel when trying to understand Haachama?, because we don't understand her either!!!"
She’s spiggin it!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4448891
Keep in mind that anon speaks Spanish, an indo-european language just like English. English may be a lot more difficult for speakers of non-Indo-European languages.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4436345
you should stop going to /pol/ regardless, that place rots your brain

everybody I've met who goes to /pol/ is a legit retard, I can smell the stench from a mile away

[Anonymous No.]

>>4405780
Japanese and English are very different. EN is easier in the sense you only have 26 characters to learn and every word is just made up of those vs. kanji, hiragana, and katakana. However, EN has a lot of irregular verbs, like I ran and I run instead of "I runned to the tree." EN is also really made up of 4 (or you could argue just 2) languages, German-base, French pronunciation, and Latin or Greek words for most words over 2 syllables.

So, it's actually really hard to learn either from if you're a native speaker. Japan is and the US is functionally an Island too, so that's why both cultures have low polyglot rates.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4405644
>How do EOPs cope with never being able to fully enjoy a HoloID stream? Kek

[Anonymous No.]

I learned Latin for 6 years and couldn't even order a pizza

[Anonymous No.]

>>4425745
>i now exclusively watch pomu, finana,
Holy based.
POMU LOVE

[Anonymous No.]

>>4407726
>A lot of the special events
Any more examples of these? I don't know what constitutes as a special event.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4447654
>the clips' very existence would make it easy to add translations later.
You say that but most JP > EN clippers I've seen create their own clips. That way they have more control over what they translate I think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4458126
i haven't learned much japanese but my understanding is mistakes are much more serious an issue. You can be completely understandable yet incorrect in English -- such as i runned to get the pizza to mr john. Runned isn't a word but since English is a majority ESL language it's hard to find many people who'll lambast you for it.
In contrast I imagine things like te miru and miru being important to understand the difference of in a sentence. Changes meaning from 'try' to 'see'

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>>4459484
Yes, and you're probably also always going to have an accent. I've seen ESL Japanese people on TV and YT and they speaking English like they're a Japanese speaker (which obviously makes sense). Learning a second language is just difficult in general, because people don't really "learn a language", they acquire it. So, unless you're heavily engaged in a different culture or language, you're probably not going to be very successful at it. Japanese -> English or vice versa just happens to be a more difficult change than something really easy like German to English or Spanish to English. Japan and English are easier in some ways though because they actually have media you might enjoy vs. German where I spent 2 years learning (foreign language requirement at my university) and haven't spoken it since and can't name any German media that's relevant right now.

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>>4458126
English doesn't have nearly enough consonants and vowels to represent the sounds it uses

If you weren't aware, many languages will either adapt Latin with diacritics or invent an alphabet entirely around their language, so the language can be phonetically spelled and all sounds represented with ease

[Anonymous No.]

>>4455749
It warps your perception of things IRL
I wouldn't be surprised if most of them actually needed to take medication in order to function.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4405715
I thought hololive is nice and based because I didn't understand a word apart from clips and I can't detect insincerity in another language but when I watched some EN streams I figured out how bad it actually is and they're apparently good tier according to bilinguals.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4451077
nice dubs bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>4451077
I don't want to be Japanese, I just want to know what Watame is saying when she giggles.

[Anonymous No.]

holo en and holo jp are absolutely different. holo jp is much closer to niji jp than to holo en. and i dont watch holo en anymore. its boring as shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4405644
I'm en and I can't enjoy holoen streams, so I guess they aren't missing much

[Anonymous No.]

>>4448304
SEAfrens are dumb and poor af so it makes sense

[Anonymous No.]

>>4462661
Pretty much, lower rates of education in general means they'll be below japan regardless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4462661
>>4463044
Half of them are above Japan though

[Anonymous No.]

>>4405644
Why do they need to care? Everything about JP holos are better. The chat interactions, the chat etiquette, the banter. Western tubers can’t even compete.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4463205
>less people that can read and write
>still more people that can speak english better

[Anonymous No.]

>>4421265
American don't Even know 1 language

[Anonymous No.]

>>4421265
>4 Languages is the bare minimum nowadays

[Anonymous No.]

>>4405780
You need to put into account that most holos were never really the most bright individuals to begin with....

[Anonymous No.]

>>4406954
>>4407444
>>4409645
>>4425793
Please do not use "though" at the end of your sentences.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4465271
It's not a good gimmick though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4405644
Let Me Tell You the Truth, Anon

There's no JOP
I repeat, There's no JOP.
They already have cute girls like fubuki, rushia
All japanese hates Gura, she stole the first 1M from her senpai
All her JP fans were gone after the RFA yabai

Only zhang and clipfaggot make her clip vids for money

HoloEN is a mistake

[Anonymous No.]

>>4465326
ogey

[Anonymous No.]

>>4465326
back to /jp

[Anonymous No.]

>>4465271
I'm not going to give myself brain damage trying to figure out how this /qa/ nonsense started, spoonfeed

[Anonymous No.]

>>4465271
y tho

[Anonymous No.]

>>4465271
you know, it's best to have a funny speaking pattern though