Numbers thread

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The thread where we discuss numbers and number related accessories as they relate to vtubers

>>4370803
Previous thread

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5/23 - 5/30 numbers, HoloJP is strong
>Company/Channels/Videos/Subs/Views

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>>4413272
Wtf dude, at least wait until the list changes, this is the same shit.

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>>4413305
The thread died so I'm making a new one. Either that or the numberfags start colonising other threads

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>>4413272
Who do you think will end up being the lowest in just Nijien?

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A reminder that this is a numbers thread. So please, if you are incapable of numberfagging, tribalfagging or doomposting etc. then please get the fuck out now. You are not welcome. Only the elite of number supremacists are allowed here. Are you okay?

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>>4413272
HoloES when? I wanna numberfag them and HoloEN.

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>>4413272
amanekanatach inclining to the moon

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>>4414039
Gref was a special occasion anon, his usual numbers are high but nowhere as high as top english speaker streamers.

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What is the highest live stream live viewers?
Is it NASA?
Premiere video record is BTS 3.9 million

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Still no Niji on top 10 and a 774 is literally shitting on them doing Apex gacha right now. They also lost to Tamaki and Ui. I think it's official. At their current level, Niji's only main competitor is probably .Live

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>>4416064
I know you're trolling but it's really bad when Tamaki and Ui do less than many of their members and 774 never reach it outside of a gacha stream like the one from met ot asmr from patra. I watch 774, so I always see them below 1k except for patra and haneru. They would be on the lower level of nijisanji jp.

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>>4416232
Also you faggot, you forgot that there's 3 nijisanji members and 1 hololive in tamaki stream.

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views/time of May (not counting the last weekend)
Read the OP >>4416243 for more details

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>>4416849
Tldr nijinigs are fucking done
Another graduation is coming too

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>>4417108
Wait.. who? Lulu?

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Subscribing to a channel costs real world dollarydoos, right? Vtuber streams get maybe 1-5% of the sub count in live viewers and the stream vods get ~10%, why the fuck would someone pay to sub and then not even watch the content?

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>>4417142
Some niji kr guy, I don't know I don't watch the krs

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>>4417230
No subbing is free, you're thinking of memberships.
Also get off twitch it's rotting your brain

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Something is missing... Someone who's supposed to approach/celebrate a certain big milestone. Streamed for a really long time too. Weird.

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>>4417500
wasnt it Yuya? The second biggest nijikr and first in kr audience (if you count out Bora who has a jp audience.)

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>>4417614
https://twitter.com/yuyashin2434/status/1399196478317289474?s=21
Ayup, their second biggest talent below Bora.
This certainly doesn't bode well for NijiKR

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Normally I wouldn't even bother bringing up a WHO? in this thread, especially since she doesn't even have big numbers. But something interesting about this is that this is probably the first legitimate ES VTuber from an agency out of Japan. She seems to be like Pikamee and Coco who have large dominion of a language other than Japanese as opposed to other WACTOR girls that are learning a new language from scratch.

She debuted just this week and her channel wasn't even tracked by VNUMA for the first few days. However, her rise was of note to me because she somehow managed to double her viewership in just a day from around 1k to over 2k, so this is probably going to be a marker channel to determine if a dedicated ES VTuber market is actually viable beyond just the lip service that JP/EN chuubas give to the spic community.

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JESUS CHRIST

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>>4419884
I think you might be onto something anon. Out of curiosity, if this Chuuba were to reach a steady 3-4k viewership (which would be insane for a non-holo company) do you think it would prompt the other agencies to hold auditions for es dedicated chuubas?

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>>4420096
BLUE WOMEN I KNEEELLL

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>>4420096
Goddamn! Almost 50k... on fucking FFX. And it's not even the first stream either!? Fucking Yagoo really did hit the jackpot with Peko.

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>>4420192
That's exactly why I decided to track her growth for a while. I'm a spic myself, so I watched her out of curiosity, but I don't particularly care about spic stuff beyond what bleeds into my regular interests which is mainly in English (Japanese for Anime and chuubas).

I think the threshold for a viable market is at least 5k live viewership or at least 100k VODs average from the spic market since they do need volume to make up for the value of their currencies.

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>>4420416
She's fighting the final boss so she's getting a pretty big boost thanks to that.

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>>4419884
Yup. I don't know how they did it but WACTOR hit the jackpot with this girl, and the fact that she got all this audience pretty much by herself (she only got promoted by 1 spanish channel who do vtuber news AFTER debut) in less than a week is impressive.

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>>4420416
saw it go over 51k because she was about to get fucking owned by the boss changing to 2nd phase lmao

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>>4419884
This is very much the "Hana Macchia Effect" at play.
Remember her? She used to be the absolute queen of EN youtube vtubers, her streams used to get also between 2k-4k depending on the game and day, especially during the initial 2020 boom.
However, she was also one of the only EN youtube vtubers at the time. The moment other started to pop up, she was left behind. First it was Pikamee (Who managed to hit 10k concurrent viewers at her peak), then HololID and finally Holo EN
Hana is now completely irrelevant, barely managing to get 1k on a very good day (most of her streams orbit the 600-800 mark)

Don't be surprised if this happens to this girl as well

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>>4420096
The numbers in May have been higher than usual. Did youtube finally remove their view bot "feature"?

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>>4421303
That would be true except that spanish vtubers aren't new, Hololive kicked the gates open in september and now literally every market is saturated with them.

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her numbers are recovering...

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>>4421509
We are talking about Youtube exclusive, and from actual companies/groups.

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>>4421303
If nothing else, I do hope for this girl's success just so that the es region gets further opened up to chuubas and other more notable companies start taking closer look. I know the ES Chuuba scene is kind of a shit show based on some spicanons reports, but if there's anyone I trust to find a diamond in the mud it's Yagoo.

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>>4420096
>>4421554
Will Gura manage to recover her numbers?

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>>4421612
shitnautica numbers were high for a boring game
i think the "youtube bug" is fixed?

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>>4419884
>not even a week since her debut
you wll have to wait 1 month to see her true numbers

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>>4421612
Unlikely since NA/EU are starting to relax their coof mandates. I believe Japan had to reinstate theirs fairly recently for some reason.

The real battle will be over clips/highlight reels versus clippers.

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>>4421860
Numbers don't usually increase after a debut, the debut is usually the upper limit of the viewers you'll get, and then it's a slow bleedoff as the honeymoon period wears on. This is clearly unusually.

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>>4421867
Japan extended their state of emergency to June 20th so expect the jp numbers to boom in the near future.

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>>4421610
As a spic myself, the issue isn't the chuubas themselves (except for a couple of retards) but that the idea of vtuber in spic culture is incredibly warped from its source.
This is a thing for spanish/portuguese speaking countries as awhole, including Spain and Portugal/Brazil btw (but especially LATAM) and its root is simply that we are so many countries speaking the same language. It has made the average spic think spanish is the status quo language that most of the world talks, instead of the perception of other countries that their ow language is rare and uncommon. As a result, the vast majority of spics never engages in the english side of the internet, without realizing every country of the world uses it as lingua franca. That cause our internet culture to be almost a full decade behind the current worldwide internet culture.

Why is this relevant? Because it means internet personalities are similar to those found 10 years ago in the english side of things. Streamers are mostly vloggers, or playing casual games. Facebook is still the platform of the zoomers, memes use old templates, etc.
So when you apply a new concept like japanese vtubers, to a community still stuck in 2011, what you get is essentially a 2011 douchebag streamer using an anime avatar, with a hardcore fanbase willing to stan and soldier in their name; streaming on Facebook.
This is why there's so much drama and gossip around spic vtubers, it's what sold 10 years ago, and it's what sells for spics now.

Those of us who managed to get out and see what's beyond the spanish wall of knowledge are mostly well behaved, and mostly against HoloES. Spics aren't ready for JP like entertainment

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>>4421612
Nah it very unlikely for her live viewers number to get that big with her global audience, but she is doing fine with everything else so there is nothing to recover.

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>>4421908
couldnt find her debut numbers but if she is good she will retain her viewers even after the first month if not then well, we all know what happens

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>>4421484
no, still there

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>>4421303
thing is, the spanish vtuber market exist and is somewhat developed with several vtubers over 100k subs and thousands of live viewers.

Hina hits all the right buttons in the spanish market. Hell, even her cute paraguayan accent is accepted by everyone, not a single asshole in the chat chimping out because of the accent, that is something i have never seen before. Even in last night stream she reviewed her hashtags on the spot and NOBODY trolled her putting guro or porn there, the only yab was a clueless viewer who put some hololive stuff there and imidiately after the stream ended apologized on the comments.

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>>4422005
Maybe I'm being naive (probably) but I believe that if Hololive were to introduce a really talented ES Chuuba who follows the JP template of streaming, that might be enough to upend your entire streaming culture spicanon. The EOPs, and even the Russians were able to do it after they got introduced to Hololive so just have a little more faith.

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>>4422121
i think it peaked at 900

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>>4422005
i don't think the spanish speaking audience would be so differerent from the SEA audience and if some company (say Cover/AnyColor) wants to invest in spanish speaking audience and they can manage them well enough, they can be decent. I say this as an Argentinian (yes, I know haha Falklands, haha Monopoly money)

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>>4421908
they do if you have shit debut numbers

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>>4421908
>>4422567
I believe she was under 1k for the first stream, but I can't quite tell what her peak was. The thing is, every day that she streamed, her peak was significantly higher than the previous stream day, so people are actually starting to discover her after debut day.

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>>4416849
Lateral growth for both HoloEN/Vshojo implies a growing market, while shrinkage across Niji/HoloJP (slightly favoring HoloJP) and growth of "other" JP vtubers implies a saturated market that is growing more competitive.

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>>4420096
>suityan is popular now
What happened

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Covid is starting to flare up in asia again. My country and taiwan is under another lockdown again. We might see higher numbers this month.

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>>4423389
It's an utawaku, nigga. You have to be born stupid (or have your oshi streaming) to ignore a Suisei utawaku.

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>>4423389
I think the collab withTamaki helped. But she always had consistent numbers

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Here's your weekly VOD numbers
https://panora.tokyo/archives/26333

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Kizuna's been popping off on tiktok, look at those numbers
https://www.tiktok.com/@kizunaai0630?

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>>4421612
Never.
Just enjoy.
Wait for VSingers.

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>>4426222
>Kizuna
Kizuna found a new platform to rule

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Here are your numbers

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>>4426222
Those numbers are wild... and I don't mean the impressive sense. Some videos get millions of views, others barely are above the six digit mark after a while.

Just how does that site/app work?

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>>4426644
They use Chinese numerals.

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>>4426627
Blue queens I kneel.

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>>4426835
blue is the chosen color for today's numbers

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>>4417230
There's not a single twitch stream on that list, what the fuck are you talking about?

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>>4426627
Patra still inclining every week, getting real close to 20k that's crazy. I've literally never heard of #4 lmao, how did she get within 1000 of Gura?

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>>4426627
>Komori Met
LITERALLY WHO

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>>4426627
Nice. It's kinda back to normal now with some niji here and there. But it's clear that Holo and even 774 are getting bigger numbers while Niji don't. Things are not looking good for niji at all

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>>4426627
if you want your chuuba to be successful you better make em blue

kanatan has been inclining recently too. i wonder when lamy's gonna randomly blow up

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>>4426644
TikTok counts views as soon as the clip starts.

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>>4426627
I think it's safe to say that Pekora, Marine, and Miko are the three shining stars of Hololive since they are on this list every single day. Others have the power to make the list (like Suisei here), but either have fluctuating numbers based on what they stream (Suisei) or are just inconsistent with actual streaming (Aqua, Ayame).

Obviously I'm talking about JP because Gura is a numbers beast as well showing up everyday.

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>>4426829
>Towa 11k
Power of Usaken?

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>>4426627
Why is a brain in Mito's thumbnail?

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>>4419219
It has nothing to "bode well for nijikr". she graduated due to focusing on her studies and other reasons, and not having time for stream , that's it. There's always context for graduations and that's the one. It doesn't affect the branch, even more when yuya barely streamed for months.

>>4417500
"guy". that's all needed to know the bullshit.

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>>4427586
Unironically yes

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>>4427697
>It has nothing to "bode well for nijikr". she graduated due to focusing on her studies and other reasons, and not having time for stream , that's it.
Yeah and Kana left Tsunderia for creative differences. It still kicked them all the way to the d-list of vtubers. Losing one of your biggest talent is a serious blow for any company, especially in this case where she is the only one who has any decent penetration into the KR market.

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>>4427163
"And even 774" You can't be serious, you are only trolling.

You clearly don't watch 774. Met only reached those numbers because of Apex gacha. Her numbers are below 1k normally.
It's also very disingenous of you to say this when nijisanji members appear on the top 25 every day and are literally on this very list more than 1 time.
At least be honest if you are going to analyze.

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>>4427770
Yuya decent penetration into the KR market? Holy moly, another proof you don't know anything about her. She mainly spoke japanese and her public was mostly jp people.

> It still kicked them all the way to the d-list of vtubers.

Ok? None of this matters. Unless Bora graduates, this branch will be completely fine. Yuya had similar numbers to many of the branches (and those are all above streaming average) and regardless, vtubers are ephemeral, some time or another this will end, even more when the majority of the industry isn't hololive where you can work full time but as a side job or as a hobby, which is the case for the majority of the industry, even the ones part of agencies.

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>>4427796
>Nijisanji appears everyday
Lies, they weren't on there yesterday

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>>4426627
>Pekora reached 50k playing a 20 year old game
>Kuzuha needed a new release FOTM game to hit 50k
Kek, faggot vampire blown the fuck out

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>>4427893
On the top 25? They absolutely did. Regardless, even if they didn't in theory, saying that 774 is doing better than nijisanji is being very retarded when they do in average the same than the lowest nijisanji jp except for Patra and Haneru that are able to get over 1k.

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>>4427890
Hololive being treated as a full-time job is the reason of their unprecedented popularity. hololive feels like a passion project and Cover's goals are very much apparent. Niji is all over the place because their 'livers' don't care about the brand or making it grow. Unlike niji, hololive doesn't regurgitate shitty tournaments every single month, because apparently that's the only way niji can draw in a crowd. Niji's costume reveals are nothing special considering the amount of people that show up, their 3D's only draw in a big number when a holomem is involved. What happened to all that numberfagging Ichikara did in 2019, constantly bragging, only for them to be rooted out by a secret boss known as cover. Shame

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Greetings numberfriends and happy June (holy shit this year is going fast) which means it's time again to predict when Holos will hit a million subs at their current growth.

2021
Matsuri - 6/5
Subaru - 6/26
Ayame - 7/1
Suisei - 7/2
Gura (3m) - 7/10
Watame - 7/24
Kanata - 9/10
Botan - 10/13
Calli (2m) - 10/29
Moona - 11/20
Shion - 12/12
Towa/Polka - 12/20
Mio/Pekora (2m) - 12/29

2022
Ollie - 1/7
Lamy - 1/19
Sora - 1/20
Nene - 2/11
Roboco - 2/13
Flare - 3/20
Choco - 6/19
Luna - 7/30
Mel - 8/28

2023
Azki - 1/18
Aki - 3/3
Reine - 5/8
Risu - 9/14
Iofi - 10/2

2024 (ouch)
Anya - 5/4

This month's millionaires were
Ina - 5/27
Kiara - 5/30
(both of these two hit it earlier than expected, presumably from the new outfit buff and Ina's birthday buff)

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>>4428971
Hololive wasn't treated as a full time job for most of them until 2020. And as I said, the majority of the industry is like nijisanji and how hololive was. If you believe 774 and react for example are full time, you are delusional. Vtubing is a side job and hobby for 90% of the industry.

> their 3D's only draw in a big number when a holomem is involved.
that's ridiculous, even more when most people won't ever know when a hololive member will appear or not. Which they barely do. I hope you're not talking about Amamiya 3D with Choco of all things appearing there and you thinking this was the one boosting the numbers when the time choco appeared in there, it wasn't even the highest the stream reached.

> Niji's costume reveals are nothing special considering the amount of people that show up
Yes, it has never been. If you actually knew the industry, you would know that only hololive has those big numbers. I watch other agencies and new costumes have a much smaller bump in number even compared to nijisanji.

> Unlike niji, hololive doesn't regurgitate shitty tournaments every single month, because apparently that's the only way niji can draw in a crowd.
Nijisanji don't regurgitate anything. And even if they did, this is content for the public. Most of those are done by the own vtubers anyway.

> What happened to all that numberfagging Ichikara did in 2019, constantly bragging, only for them to be rooted out by a secret boss known as cover. Shame
Look, I get that you hate nijisanji for some reason but you need to be better about it and actually know the industry outside of hololive and nijisanji, because most of your points are much worse for other jp agencies and in general.
Being this offended because a company used their numbers as highlight to investors is just retarded.

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Does anyone know the site to check daily stream revenue?

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>>4429397
Daily stream revenue ranking*

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>>4429397
https://playboard.co/en/youtube-ranking/most-superchatted-all-channels-in-japan-daily
This what you mean?

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>>4426644
From the viewer side the site feeds the viewer content it thinks they're interested in based on their watch history. They can swipe away early, or watch to the end, or even like or pause to comment.
From the creator side the creator tags the video appropriately and the algo serves it to a number of people according to the authority score (past history) of the account. That's about 500 for a new account, but more if old videos were successful. If the video achieves good metrics, as in, viewers watched to the end, didn't swipe away, or chose to like/comment/rewatch, then it pushes the video to bigger and bigger circles of viewers until the metrics go down or it trends to the entire region.
Usually videos that seem to be in a lower viewcount tier just didn't make it to the next algo size push.

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>>4429465
Thanks

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>>4428971
This. Nijisanji simply counted their chickens way too soon before they even had the chance to hatch. Vtubing is still a relatively young industry, and nijisanji showing people how impressive their big dick is, only for it to go limp this early in the game is very embarrassing. Honesty that should have been the last thing they did.

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>>4429288
>Moona hittting 1 million in 2021
Honestly fucking crazy this is 100% going to happen

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>>4429288
Poor Anya. Her design is so shit. The more I look at it, the worse it becomes.

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Numbers for the top 25 as of 05:00 JST.

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>>4429610
Honestly, you guys are the only ones who really seem to care that much for this. They got in first, they put it in there to investors, they lost it, they retired. No big deal. You guys create way much drama for things that don't really need it.

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>>4429500
Sounds similar to how Twitter's algorithm works for trends.

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>>4427922
Pekora is too strong

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>>4426627
Suisei´s utawakus keep being top tier streams

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>>4429288
>Gura (3m) - 7/10
It'd be funny if she hit it a few days earlier on Kiara's birthday.

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>>4426627
>>4426829
Numbers seem to be higher across the board for everyone. Did YT finally remove / adjust their retarded live viewer count "fix", or was this the effect of multiple Asia / SEA countries including JP going into (soft) lockdown again?

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>>4423389
she's recently been getting solid 25k or so for utawakus, and I guess the tamaki appearance got her another 5k or so to check it out.

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>>4423403
The niji apex event is looking more and more likely to retake the viewer numbers throne. Probably not even Gura's 3d will break it.

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what are the top 10 vtuber groups in subs?

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>>4416849
I like how you make sure to separate female and male on nijisanji as if they are like hololive and holostars instead of being on the same company.

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>>4432086
Hololive
Nijisanji
.Live
774
The rest I have no idea. But maybe the experts who only talk about hololive and nijisanji and think the entire industry is them might know it

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>>4431837
The bug is still there. Gura's live number goes up and down by a few thousands within a minute in the middle of her stream.
Whenever she starts screaming, her number goes up by at least 1k as people focus on her video, then it goes down.

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vaspo has a lot of members doing big numbers but I never see anything on this board about them

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>>4432357
You can go to /vspo if you want to talk about them. This thread is for numberfags to jerk off on blue autists.

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>>4431837
I dont think so.
Gura, Kuzuha, Marine, Patra, Miko, Mito, Watame, Noel, Kanata and Hal all seem pretty normal. The rest had something special about their stream today.

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>>4429393
>replying seriously to obvious bait.

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>>4432086
From a quick glance:
HoloPro - 42.5M+
Nijisanji - 28.7M+
Kizuna Ai Inc - 4.5M+
774 - 2.11M+
.Live - 1.5M+
Eilene Family - 1.31M+
NoriPro - 1.28M+
VIC (RIP Luna and PPH) - 1.16M+
MAHA5 - 1.15M+
Kamitsubaki - 1.13M+
Re:AcT - 1M+

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>>4433004
and yet only two are mentioned. Why?

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>>4433050
you know why anon

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>>4433004
that drop-off

and so many i never heard of

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>>4433004
Forgot to note that VShojo has 3M+ but that's including Nyanners pre-VTuber subs, so if anyone remembers where she was at pre-VTuber, you can subtract that and get a realer number.

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WIth some SEA countries going into lockdown again, I wonder if Hololive will be able to continue to take advantage of this? Honestly though, this might be Nijisanji's chance to make up some ground against Hololive. But the again, I remember an anon here posting a chart that had Holo's brand awareness in SEA basically eclipsing every Vtuber company combined so I'm not even sure what Enikara can do to capitalize on this?

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>>4433132
I really don't know. Why people on this thread and board act like the entire industry is comprised of two agencies?

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>>4416849
>according to this retarded chart Haachama is superior to Gura and Pekora
Kek, nice "metric".

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>>4419884
She will have a superchat celebration stream in a few hours, hopefully latinos donate enough for her to buy a better chair at the very least, poor girl is currently stream with a monobloc chair.

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>>4433500
This is a numbers thread. You don't chart, you won't get yalked about.

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>>4433500
People talk about what they care about. The numbers show the extent that people care about each agency. Plus the disparity is probably magnified by most westerners not being exposed to the more niche JP agencies. It's not complicated.

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>>4433500
This is a numbers thread. You don't chart, you don't get talked about.

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>>4433516
>Gura - #1
>Pekora - #2
>Haachama - #8
from the chart you're quoting

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>>4426627
Bahroo chads rise up

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>>4433004
>HoloPro - 42.5M+
>Nijisanji - 28.7M+
Ummm, doesn't Nijisanji have like 100 more vtubers than Hololive? I'm not even going to dunk of Nijisanji here........the number do that themselves...

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>>4433500
Because it is. Nobody gives a shit about the other irrelevant agencies. Put up numbers or you aren't worth our time in the Numberfag thread.

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>>4433500
This board is all EOP holofags, they only know holo and they seethe about niji, that's the only two agencies that they know about and even then they don't really know anything about nijisanji they just know that it exists and that it makes them mad

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>>4433437
Leech, leech, leech. Pay non e-celebs to be a guest in their shows or other collabs. Associating with otaku stuffs would tarnish the celebs' reputation if their fanbases are not into otaku stuffs, so the organizers will need to prepare an attractive sum to realize these collabs. Enikara doesn't even pay their talents, so I don't think they would do this... A cheap way to increase your exposure is by doing a fundraising, but if you don't have much exposure to begin with, then either you will stay irrelevant or there would be public backslashes.

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>>4434175
If you want to see how bad it really is, just holoJP by itself is 30.8M+ against the entirety of Nijisanji being 28.7M+.

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>>4434142
That dude always pulls up 10k even before being a vtuber.

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>>4434447
does that include bilibili?

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>>4434555
Just YouTube, I believe. I'm pulling numbers from here: https://virtual-youtuber.userlocal.jp/office/all

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>>4434623
yikes that holostars though, might as well just retire them at this point

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>>4433500
My 774 inc threads never last 1 day, anon so sad they are so good,...

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>>4430066
Never even watched her cause of her design and her shit mic at debut

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>>4433437
>what Enikara can do to capitalize on this?
They could start by inducing brand loyalty, to start. Make their chuubas actually want to stream more than once a month and cut just about anyone that hasn't done so for months on end. Make fans of individual chuubas invest themselves more into other of their chuubas. Treat things like 3D debuts and outfit reveals like actual events and hype them up. Speaking of hype... learn to fucking market your shit.

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>>4433050
anon if you add up everyone else on this list they're barely half of niji

hell adding them to niji barely passes the holo number

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>>4434704
Even Wactor threads last longer than 774 threads, which says a lot about their relevance out west.

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>>4434741
I think the point of nijisanji is that it's a lot more carefree and lax on stuff like that, it's more of a platform than a dedicated idol group, it's less about number chasing and more about people expressing themselves on their own pace, but this is the mentally ill numberfag thread so no one cares about that

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>>4434273
Very true anon-sama. In a saturated market like vtubing, it's only natural for only one agency to come out on top. While nijisanji and friends continue to saturate the market even more by churning out waste of space unentertaining indie tier vtubers. Hololive will be at the center of it all. The shining beacon that everyone will gravitate towards.

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>>4429288
Everything's going according to plan, 1 million soon!

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>>4435151
The shining reddit turd of idolfag unicorns and seaniggers

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>>4434887
I wasn't trying to convince Nijis that this what they must do; I simply was answering the question mentioned. If they are fine with how their business model works, then they should be content with playing second fiddle to Hololive or even be an also-ran to VShojo. The real question in all of this is if one of the bottom 15 agencies will rise to match the top 3. By live viewrship, VShojo seems to compete, but by subs and sheer market reach, they're next to nothing.

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>>4435183
so mad lol

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don't know where else to ask, do they count as vtubers? i'm new to showroom but they seem to be doing well on there (first and second in the overall ranking for the 'virtual' category). showroom is a terrible website and app btw.
https://www.showroom-live.com/kaidoasuka
https://www.showroom-live.com/ichigoyakanata
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8v7P8Bs1QPmfF8Cp5HqQhw/

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>>4434887
Eh, I don't know about that one chief. We're talkigng about the same company who was more than happy to plaster NO. 1 VTUBER COMPANY on their website when they were on top. If that was really the case they wouldn't have graduated IN and advertised their EN branch so much.

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>>4435213
They won't get rid of people to raise average numbers or try to create idol tier brand loyalty, if that's what hololive wants to do then sure whatever but it's not something that nijisanji cares about, and you have to realise that this is a thread for shitposting mentally ill schizos, none of this has any bearing on reality, I watch vtubers who have 10-20 viewers and have been streaming for years, this wankery about numbers is all completely meaningless, especially when you talk about gigantic companies that make billions every year, this is all just pure shitposting, no one in reality actually cares

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>>4427586
>Mainkura buff
>Usaken buff
>New big project buff
Even mel can triple her digit if she can get those buff

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>>4434175
They have about 130 on youtube and 39 on bilibili with virtual real iirc

>>4434704
>>4434824
I also like 774 a lot and it's a shame how they have even less traction. I think at this point if nijisanji is niche in the west, then those other agencies pretty much don't even exist.

>>4434821
Then why so many of you call nijisanji irrelevant and that they are going bankrupt if they are so much above the rest and the only agency that actually can compete with hololive?

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>>4435183
Nijifag cope.

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>>4435313
Wow a guy who's responsible for making the website put up a sign that said that it's the number 1 vtuber company, that sure is indicative of the whole structure and attitude of a company with hundreds of people lmao, that sign really made you butthurt if you think about it all day, this is like people flipping out when "sony" tweets some shit about blm saying that "sony" now thinks this, no dude it's one kid who's handling a social media account, it's nothing

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>>4435436
You're asking retarded schizos why they're retarded schizos, you can even look at vivid, they've been in the business for years and they don't show any sign of "going bankrupt" that shit is pure shitposting, nijisanji is like a 500 million dollar company, they're not gonna disappear because they got slightly less viewers than someone else

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>>4435468
I mean it was on their main website though. This wasn't just some intern pushing out a tweet. Also, they're a publicly traded company. Numbers are and will be the end all and be all for investors at the end of the day.

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>>4435468
You're a fucking dumbass if you actually believe the things you've just said. Is this what the infamous nijicope looks like?

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>>4435468
They renamed their indian branch and dissolved it due to poor numbers they are numberfags

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>>4435620
So what, a guy sitting in a room made a website, what does that have to with how Sayo, or Gilzaren, or Toko feel about streaming, if Sayo says that she doesn't feel like streaming this month then she won't, and investors can't say shit about it

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>>4435674
Not an argument
>>4435675
Who are "they" even, some suits in the management? Or who, I literally don't even know, you guys always have this weird perception that a company is somehow a singular entity, sony did this, nijisanji did that, nintendo said this, hololive is like that, no they are companies with hundreds and thousands of people involved, how is Gilzaren involved with what happened with the indian branch, or the taiwanese branch for that matter

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>>4435313
But according to people from here, Indonesia and Korea are failures, so why they don't do the same they did with IN?
As for EN, if they want to at least have some success for a launch of branch, they
In my opinion, of course they value big numbers, they are a company after all, they are investing money on live 2D, character design, 3D, mechandise, voice pack and all of it. At the same time, considering how they give time to the vtubers to stream whenever they want as many either study or work full or part time job, this is to me a positive aspect. Might cost them numbers yes, but this shouldn't be seen as negative honestly. This is a good part of agencies like hololive and nijisanji, where you can take breaks and do your job whenever you want, a thing that in normal jobs, even more in japan, you could never do it.

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>>4435689
You're confusing the company with their chuubas. The chuuba's themselves may not be numberfags but the company is. Also, numberfagging in a corporate level is not a bad thing per se. Companies are created to make money. Saying a company doesn't care about numbers is like calling Lions the vegans of the animal kingdom. Even Cover is like this, hence why they've done everything they can to expand internationally back when Enikara had absolute monopoly over Japan. They had to do that because it was the only way they could survive

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>>4435675
I agree India was closed due to poor numbers and low interest. But if so, why anykara never closed KR and ID? According to many in here, and honestly, in other parts of the internet, both are failures. ID is now 2 years in the market and KR one year. Both still receive investments, new gens, ID has its own original songs, among other things.

The belif from what I see though is that they are doing bad, but unlike India, they are going on. So why, that happens?

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Maybe it's time to split numbers thread into two threads. One for braindead "this number is bigger than that number, end of discussion" people and the second for people who want to actually do proper analysis and take context into what the numbers mean.

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>>4435867
People are being way too serious about vtuber companies, especially stuff like nijisanji, they're probably used to shit talking about nintendo or democrats on their original boards but the management of nijisanji is like 20 years old guys, who just made a face app and hired some kids to do proof of concept videos of it and then it snowballed into an entertainment platform, no one has grand plans or objectives, they're just making stuff up as they go, there's no 60 years old board of executives and fucking billionaire investors on the call, it's just 20 years old nerds, calm down

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>>4435867
> As for EN, if they want to at least have some success for a launch of branch, they
fuck I forgot to complete the phrase. "they should have done what they did".

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>>4435867
I honestly think that if Hana and Bora didn't become as popular like they did that those branches could have been in real danger of being shoved aside. And in terms of being failures, I'd say only Niji KR could be considered that since they didn't really expand the market in KR and are pretty much an off-shoot of the JP branch at this point.

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>>4435978
t.nijikek

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>>4435932
Not that anyone could tell from the outside, but I personally suspect that they don't really care a huge amont but they have to show something for the cuts that they take, if they just sat around with their thumbs in their asses then the viewers and the content makers would get angry at them, so they make 3D hold events, get sponsorships, do this do that, like what are they supposed to do? They're just doing that's there is to do

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>>4435978
The numbers mean Nijisanji is irrelevant
End of discussion

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>>4435978
Not much point here's the analysis for context of numbers: they don't matter, they literally don't, watch who you like, it doesn't matter

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>>4436063
No, I'm just the only Kizuner on this board.

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>>4435764
Do Niji talents have no talent that they communicate with? Do those managers not have supervisors? Where are the executives? Are you retarded?

When we use the company's name to comment on their actions because many of the actions taken in the name of Nijisanji are taken at the corporate level. A manager doesn't suddenly decide to shutter a branch just because. Learn how businesses work, please.

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>>4436059
This is again a matter of perception, KR is actually growing and have numbers that hololive would have when they started out at the very first time, you know that's the thing, would you go back 3 years and say that oh shit hololive vtubers don't have any numbers, they're gonna be bankrupt, they should just retire, you can't tell where things will go

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>>4436077
>I personally suspect that they don't really care a huge amont but they have to show something for the cuts that they take

Anon, let me reiterate. THEY ARE A COMPANY. COMPANIES ARE CREATED TO MAKE MONEY. So yes they do care. Enough that they decided to chase after the western market once Cover showed them that there was money that could be made there.

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>>4436178
So I guess Gilzaren decided to close the taiwanese branch, you heard it here first from mr business expert, retard, not to mention that again there's no calculated decisions here like you're used to with your console wars, it's just 20 something kids making videos on youtube, stop being so pedantic

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>>4435970
A Korean niji liver is confirmed to be graduation within the coming weeks. If nijisanji is not the one doing the culling process then their own livers will do it to themselves.

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>>4436250
Let me reiterate, you're a pedantic retard faggot thinking you're talking about nintendo over here or sme shit

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>>4425794
Gura absolutely bodying the fuck out of anyone that isn't having a special event/stream will never not be funny to me

Gura and Subaru's streams are the only ones that hit 800k views, and Subaru's new costume only has 10k+ views above Gura being retarded in DMC3

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>>4435308
>male vtubers
Fucking gross

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>>4436287
She had one of the highest numbers though so so much for that, if numbers would be so important then retirements would start from the bottom

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>>4436292
Wait, so you really think that Enikara is some holistic charity company? Anon, you might wanna go outside. Or maybe don't. You'll just be disappointed with the real world.

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>nijisanji culls their indian and taiwan branches due to poor numbers
>NIJISANJI DOESN'T CARE ABOUT NUMBERS LIKE HOLOLIVE

The fuck

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>>4436434
See there you go again, talking about a company with hundreds of people, none of who you even know, as if it was somehow an individual entity, not just a bunch of people making stuff up as they go, maybe go outside and interact with the real world sometimes and stop living in this schizo console war shit thing where you think companies and parties are a big megazord hivemind thing moving as a single individual with grand plans and motivations for everything, that's not how the world is anywhere ever

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Even Hololive doesn't release self aggrandizing shit like this

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>>4436136
Kizuna, the one from tik tok?

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>>4436488

>Ichikara isn't a numberfag like Cover!!!

>plasters "No 1 Vtuber Company" on their website"

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>>4436342
ah so they are vtubers? i see now thanks for your answer anon.

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>>4436488
>due to poor numbers
You don't even know that, it's more likely that they just tried it, they realised that they didn't know anything about the market, and thew in the towel, but of course headcanons are always strong when you don't actually have any solid information about anything

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>>4436542
Yeah.

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>>4436555
>>4436534
A page made by some random intern really triggered you huh, now I understand why holofags seethe so much constantly

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>>4436607
Show me proof of Cover numberfagging then I will concede

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>>4436534
I remember someone posting the 2020+2021 screenshot of this in a previous number thread. Was interesting to see, a shame I didn't save that...

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>>4435308
Yeah

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>>4436534
>>4436555
genuinely curious retard here. isn't it normal for brands to do things like this?
sometimes when i buy products at the store i see their packaging says they won an award in like 2016 or something, even though it's 2021 now and other brands are 'better'. local restaurants also put up their old rankings on rating websites and stuff to advertise their store.
is that different from what niji did?

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>>4436628
You want me to dig up pekora's bookmarks having the vnuma/trend page? Or you already are aware of that

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>>4436570
>>4436607
Holy cope you people have 0 arguments

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>>4436607
Post by some random anon on the internet really triggered you huh, now i understand why you so mad you can't even watch your own chuuba

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>>4436664
Nijifaggots are under the impression Ichikara are benelovent gods that don't care about numbers while Hololive does and that is why Nijisanji is doing worse

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>>4436664
It's some grand schizo conspiracy theory about how nijisanji only cares about numbers so they'll cut people who don't stream 3 times every day to rise their averages, because the indian branch got closed, or something like that, real schizo /pol/ hours over here

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>>4436059
But wouldn't Holo ID be an off-shot of EN? Maybe even Niji ID, which has less people speaking in english but still a big amount.

With that said, I agree that Bora and Hana do wonders for the branches to not be in any danger. At the same time, looking at the numbers, while the growth is very slow, it seems all of them got their own fanbase. 100-200 might seem low but they are above average on streaming, with others like Bon and Siska sometimes reaching 500 viewers. That's also why when people in here say that 1k is low, I feel like wtf, that's really good.

You can always compare numbers and all but it's not because it's not 10k or 5k that it's the end of the world. And that applies to agencies and indies.

>>4436005
Tbf, I'm not addressing only vt but discordfags, redditors and others that share this mindset. I feel that hololive broke our mind with numbers, and I include myself on this for months. Their absurd growth in 2020, the numbers and all of that is something that was unique to them. It's also why I changed from considering roboco a failure, because I always compared her with pekora, to be happy that she has 1-2k people, much more than other vtubers I like or even normal streamers. Anyway, I know it's a numberfag thread and all, but some people might do believe on those things lol, so I just feel like talking about this more seriously.

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>>4436178
Nijisanji does not have any Talents and No one refers to them as such. Niji members are named after an organ. They probably have cancer after getting smoked by hololive.

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>>4436665
>Cover is Pekora
>Pekora is Cover
anons, I think he might be onto something. Maybe this is why she gets so high numbers

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>>4436684
>>4436714
Nice arguments, not

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>>4436720
well i'm not like those people. i think ichikara/anycolor definitely care about numbers as they are a company and they want profit. you didn't really answer my question anon...

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>>4436743
I personally don't give a shit, like I said I watch vtubers with 10-20 viewers, I just watch what I enjoy not sweat over who has what numbers, I just saw the thread on the frontpage and added my thoughts but yeah this is the mentally ill schizo autist thread, there's no point in having any intelligent discussions over here

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>>4436664
nijinigger is leterally living rent free from holobronies head lmao

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>>4436534
this is just fucking embarrassing from nijisanji

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>>4436769
>random intern is nijisanji
>nijisanji is a random intern
Woah it do be like that

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>>4436664
I mean of course this is normal behaviour for Companies

The issue here is that the Nijiretard in this thread likes to pretend Ichikara doesn't numberfag when there is proof that they do

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>>4436521
But they are anon. The Chuubas themselves are nothing but products being sold to you by the company. Yes, your oshi might have genuine affection for their chat, but the company they belong to doesn't. Your oshi might honestly laugh at a joke someone superchatted to them, but the company only cares if that person sent an akasupa or if they'll buy your oshi's merch. Or better yet, if your oshi is popular enough they can parade them to investors and say "Hey, this chuuba that works for us is really fucking popular. Aren't we great. You should invest more to us." Companies are created to make money. You saying that they don't care is like saying Lion's are not carnivores. Companies are not bad because of this. It's simply the reason they exist.

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>>4436287
She's graduating due to studies anon. She had one of the highest in there. If this really was about numbers, they would cut down the lowest in performance like you guys give the idea, not their best ones.

>>4436664
It's just that. It's no different than idk, Nintendo putting that BOTW got awards on the nintendo eshop page of the title. Sure, it's a margin to show that those records are surpassed, but it really is not that big deal like anons make it in here. They got those records surpassed, they removed it. The day they surpass something, they're going to put in there. This is how companies work.

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>>4436890
So I fucked your cousin, who came from your uncle, who came from your grandpa, and your dad came from him, and you came from your dad, so I basically fucked you, cool logic, and since every given group is a single entity I also fucked your mom and your aunt, makes sense, fucking lmao

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>>4436729
>>4436836
sorry i don't really know what this means. have a nice day or evening.
>>4436873
i see. that's probably what >>4436720 was referring to as well. i just misunderstood the goal of posting that screenshot but i get it now. thanks for the retard friendly explanation. have fun with the rest of this thread guys.

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>>4436871
>he really believes a random intern made that shit and it was allowed to stay for over an year

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>>4436914
If it's so normal why doesn't Hololive do it?

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>>4436729
>all this hyperbole
Who even said that?

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>>4436873
>ichikara doesn't numberfag
Here he is again, mr ichikara doing his thing, that bastard, I heard he goes drinking with mr sony and mr toyota in the evenings where they gloat about numbers, those 3 guys, what bastards

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>>4436890
See, that I can agree, and that applies to all the companies, from Cover to Anycolor. The problem is just how one is bastardized, including their own vtubers, and the other isn't. I don't feel offended over Any Color, but I do feel annoyed about big numbers and the size of Nijisanji being brush off when the entire rest of the industry is on a level so below. I know a lot of this in here is just shitposting, but I also see this shit outside of 4chan, so it's something intrinsically on the fanbases.

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>>4437035
I think we broke this anon

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>>4436971
So what, was Gilzaren supposed to take it down because he doesn't care about numbers? Lmao
>>4436996
Quite literally what's the argument right now, the nijisanji man is numberfagging and closing branches therefore everyone cares about numberchasing, craziness

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>>4436634
this one?

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>>4436952
Anon, there's no need to sperg out so much. Just because Enikara cares about numbers doesn't mean your oshi does to. I'm sure your Oshi's a good chuuba but you should seperate your perception of them from the actual company itself.

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>>4436952
not him just passing by and read this comment and i must say... wow, you're actually retarded, lol

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>>4437106
That's the shit you're saying though, that nijisanji is somehow a singular entity, and companies are somehow singular entities, talking about the motivations and behavior of the mystical mr nijisanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>4436983
They might have other mentality over it, who knows. Nintendo don't announce when they donate things to charities while Sony post on their twitter. Behaviors differ between companies and some do certain things, others don't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4437104
This is the designated numbergaffing thread though. Shitposting about numbers and console warring is the reason why were here so that the other threads don't get shitted on too much.

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>>4437124
>Enikara cares about numbers
Literally, actually, who are you talking about, mr enikara, who the fuck
>>4437153
His logic not mine, I'm just mocking how retarded it is

[Anonymous No.]

>>4436745
>how to tell someone is retarded: the post

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>>4437198
Them not bragging about their numbers on their official website like nijisanji does sure is interesting

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>>4436952
Anycolor obviously care about numbers, they are a company. They can't function or even pay anyone from employees to shareholders without it. Like, they obviously can leave their vtuber to their own and all on when they can stream and also on lower numbers, but if everyone is doing bad, like India was for one year, it is going to happen with dissolving.
KR and ID have a big advantage of two with high subs and in the case of KR, someone that does amazing live viewers numbers. I agree with the other anon that those two really make it easy but even so, I also believe that the branches would still be alive even without them but with the ones that have 500-100 viewers, which is 10x more than India had.

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>>4437431
Here is again, mr anycolor, that cheeky bastard, always see him numberfagging and twirling his moustache, fucking autism

[Anonymous No.]

>>4437123
Holy numberfaggotry does the ichikara CEO post here

[Anonymous No.]

>>4436534
real numberfag company.

[Anonymous No.]

Seethe if you want all day but this is the facts, hololive care about brand building and number chasing, nijisanji doesn't, they're just doing what they feel like
Now commence the butthurt and nonsense retarded arguments

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>>4437549
Truly the humblest and non caring about numbers company around, Hololive should learn from them

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>>4437115
no one that was questioning Niji's business model raised that argument. I was the person that brought up culling the roster of inactive chuubas and to focus on building brand loyalty. Even I didn't bring up them being numberfags, someone in their hyperdefensive retarded self must have conflate shuttering branches and cutting inactive staff means numberfagging.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4437641
>brand building
thats a good thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>4427922
and let's see what happens in 12 hours

[Anonymous No.]

Every chuuba is a numberfag. Every corp is numberfag. You can't be in showbiz and be "I do it for fun". Why the fuck would they stream for a bunch of smelly incels, if not for numbers.

Streaming on regular schedule and dealing with retarded "step on me, hi hony, marry me" is not fun. But getting fame, the feel of being worshipped - is. Numbers are power and power is intoxicating. Subs, live views - is like a drug to them, shit type of drug, full of idiocy and coomers but addiction is high.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4437842
Is it the leech numberfag tournament?

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>>4437654
Which they won't do, because they don't care about raising some average numbers or whatever nonsense bollocks that people here obsess about, and no some webpage that someone put up doesn't change that
>>4437796
Pros and cons, takes away a lot of creative freedom for easier recognition, do you care about vtubers having an easier time expressing themselves or having more redditors subscribing, that's up to you

[Anonymous No.]

>>4437482
This is how being a nijifag and holofag does to you. You get attacked from both sides. lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>4437549
Based Nijisanji wanking to their own numbers. Not only is that gay as fuck but their logo is literally a gay symbol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4437903
This isn't the "showbiz" though, it's kids making videos on youtube, a lot of people do in fact just do it for fun

[Anonymous No.]

>>4437641
>>4437958
stop setting us up retard

[Anonymous No.]

May total views.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4437991
>but their logo is literally a gay symbol
kek you got me there

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>>4437958
>Which they won't do, because they don't care about raising some average numbers or whatever nonsense bollocks that people here obsess about, and no some webpage that someone put up doesn't change that
>literally, closed a branch last year and pretty much laid off its employees
Stop posting in this thread.

[Anonymous No.]

May median views.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4438127
Nijisanji....

[Anonymous No.]

>>4438127
yay KCK

[Anonymous No.]

>>4438160
>running the same circles again
Wow this thread really is just /pol/ and /v/ isn't it

[Anonymous No.]

>>4438127
I kneel A-chan

>>4438180
I kneel Pekora

[Anonymous No.]

>>4438160
Yeah its pretty funny they keep ignoring the laid off due to unpopularity indian branch

[Anonymous No.]

>>4429288
Some of the members are gonna reach a million early presumably from EN2, VSinger or JP 6 audition buff

[Anonymous No.]

>>4438180
PEKO LOVE

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>>4438127
it's fucking over for nijisanji...

[Anonymous No.]

>>4438252
> due to unpopularity
Again, you have no clue if that's true, but again and again, you just run in circles, this is some real rules for radicals type shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>4438180
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PoEOtmugXU

[Anonymous No.]

>>4438237
Stop posting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4438384
Or what, you run in a circle again, get me some orange juice while you're at it

[Anonymous No.]

>>4438311
They were unpopular and got axed nijidrone stop sucking Ichikara's cock

[Anonymous No.]

>>4438437
Mr ichikara's big cock, what an image

[Anonymous No.]

>>4438180
that was a close one, akutan

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>>4437992
It depends. If you are an indie that spent at least $1000 on a 2D then you are already looking at things in a business perspective which of course numbers. If you are a corp, numbers are what matters. If you are corp vtuber then these girls to an extent care about numbers but to a lesser degree because they technically didn't pay anything to begin with. They have managers to care for that. However, if you are part of a big market leader like Hololive, numbers is a thing you will have to face whether you like it or not because all of your peers are inclining really fast. That's why you see a lot of those girls that can't keep up suddenly taking breaks because of the stress related medical concerns. Nijisanji vtubers is a mix bag because even if they have successful vtubers, they are pretty much not pressured to show results. So obviously you will get people that will take it seriously and those that won't stream at all.

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>>4438127
Who the fuck is first place, and why is Pekora in 2nd.

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>>4437641 see >>4437549
Cope

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>>4438458
You probably shouldn't out yourself as a homosexual anon.

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>>4438508
Hololive official channel

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>>4438505
Not really, if you buy a snowboard set for at least 1000% then you see it as a business and want to become a pro snowboarder? Fucking psyhics over here who know what goes on in the heads of people, whose language they don't even understand, and who all think the same, somehow

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>>4438579
A-CHAN

I FUCKING KNEEL

A-CHAN > PEKORA

GET MOGGED RABBIT

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>>4438508
the same thing it says on all those blue cells

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>>4438542
It's 2021, move with the times

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Gilzaren here, the real reason why NijisanjiIndia is axed is because we cannot sell our merchandise in India.

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>>4438527
>Now commence the butthurt and nonsense retarded arguments
Can't say you didn't do what was asked

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>>4438631
where do you think you are

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>>4438588
If you have SCs open and have a membership and have spent over $1000 for a 2D, yes you care about the number. Only vtubers who have no actual monetary gain except ads is considered doing this a hobby.

[Anonymous No.]

So, apparently, Gura's sub rate keeps rising...

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>>4438643
Shieeeet I knew it
>>4438683
4gay

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>>4434887
I'm not sure how they can afford being carefree and lax all the time. Sure, they don't pay salaries, but some of their chuubas don't seem to want to keep their fans and it doesn't seem to look good in front of investors. When they leave for months and come back, would fans even remember them? It's different from Hololive where if someone comes out from a break, a lot of people are there to see her. For Haachama, she reached 62k last month on her return. Maybe for Aqua, 80k.

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>>4438700
Now that's just bullshit, you can do something for fun and make money, investing money in it is completely unrelated, you can put money in something to have fun, then that can turn out to make money

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Nijifaggots are scary, their level of loyalty and of treating Ichikara as if they are gods is disturbing, holy shit they completely ignore the indian branch underperforming and getting axed, you guys seeing this shit?

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>>4438724
Be honest, are you from /v/?

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>>4438724
You don't actually see those people being marketed in front of investors. They are more like the problem child you hide in the basement when visitors arrive

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>>4437903
>. Why the fuck would they stream for a bunch of smelly incels, if not for numbers.
money

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>>4438788
Imagine joining a company and having to go through a rigorous audition process only to have "fun"

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>>4438704
wonder what kind of boost will she get from her birthday this next month

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>>4438588
I think the problem here is the Nijianons are failing to comprehend that the livers from Nijisanji are separate from the company. I'm pretty sure that more than half of the Nijisanji livers don't care about numbers (hence why they don't stream that much) but the company itself still does care. The other anons are right when they say that Nijisanji is still a company hence why I put my oshi first. As long as she's happy I'm satisfied.

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>>4438806
Did you get the orange juice I asked for?
>>4438866
>rigorous audition process
Literally what lmao, plenty of people talked about the process, they send in a voice file, then they get a response to do it or not, so rigorous wow, have you ever been at a job interview in your life?

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>>4438704
In time to hit 2.8 before her bday.

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>>4438704
costume buff reminded eops that holoen still exists.

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>>4438806
>Nijifaggots are scary, their level of loyalty and of treating Cover as if they are gods is disturbing, holy shit they completely ignore the CN branch underperforming and getting axed, you guys seeing this shit?

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>>4437796
The vtuber community in japan have this concept called 'box pushing'. The box represents the brand and the pushing represents how the brand is being promoted by the consumer/company.

From that it's pretty clear how hololive fully encompasses that concept and why they are more popular. Idols are about unity and with fewer members it is pretty easy to for Cover and their fans to promote something that comes in a neat little package.

Niji has too many livers and is too messy that even their own fans don't know some of the members. Enikara Doesn't even know how to promote their own brand, not even their own fans. Which 100% explains the numberfagging Nijisanji and their fans always do.

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>>4437645
I know right. What a trend setter! Yagoo, what are you doing?!?!

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>>4438788
Sure. Say that to all the highly produced 2Ds that just stopped streaming after some months. And also, you can only really say that to people that have been doing these type of content for several months or years that just went into vtubing because they thought it looks fun but not for corp vtubers or corps themselves or newbies that just sprouted out of nowhere. Maybe only artist vtubers who made themselves can only be considered as passion projects.

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>>4438896
>Nijianons
Who are you talking about, the idiots who go on about how nijisanji is a single entity? But I wouldn't say that streamers are "separate" from the company, it's more like there's hundreds of people in the company, who wach do their own stuff, there's like a hundred streamers who also do their own stuff, acting like everything is directly connected and part of a larger mythical ideology is stupid, there's no such thing

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>>4438977
1.You fucked up your quote
2.I never claimed Hololive doesn't care about numbers
3.The chinks didn't got axed due to unpopularity they got axed because hololive had to leave china

Nijidrones are so stupid

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>>4439019
At this point this is just pure speculation, but tell me that Sayo and Gilzaren are number chasers or something idk

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>>4439033
The indians were doing their own thing before ichikara decided they weren't worth the investment

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I get the feeling that people in this thread are 15 years olds from /v/ and if that isn't the case then that's very sad

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>>4438955
> There must be a reason for this. No way they are getting this growth normally by themselves. Those ENs are trash, my JP gals are better.

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>>4439033
>people under corporation isnt a part of what their corporation is doing

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>>4439179
Ah yes mr ichikara, that bastard again
*yawn*

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>>4438180
Not even resident evil 8 can save gura against pekora

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>>4439227
>I fucked your cousin therefore I fucked you
Shit Gilzaren why did you have to retire those poor indians, he just cares so much about numbers man

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>>4439033
No anon. I'm talking about you (assuming that you're the same anon whose been blowing his gasket for the entire thread). To me Nijisanji is basically like a really lax indie game company. The people working on the actual game only cares about making something fun and consistent with their vision of what their dream game should be. But at the end of the day, bills have to be paid.

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>>4439138
To be clear, caring about your numbers is not actually bad. It's just part of running a business. That is why I said that corp vtubers don't care half as much in a sense because they have managers that will care about those numbers for them. If you are an indie you have to care about everything including numbers. Numbers can be utilized in a lot of ways like understanding your audience perception to new content. Understanding trends. Understanding even audience demography and how it will affect what you say and do in a stream which also affects sponsorships and merch. It's all related. If you don't treat the numbers right. You won't succeed.

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>>4438643
hey gil can you give us vampish i know it was an april fool's joke and all but i can't jerk off anymore unless i'm thinking of sanya i need her so bad

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>>4439208
Jp whores > western whores

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>>4439294
Then you have some reading comprehension issues, I'm the one saying that nijisanji isn't a single entity, and no it's not like an indie company working on a game, that's one project with a "consistent vision", nijisanji doesn't have a consistent vision or anything, it's more like an art club, everyone does their thing, sometimes they work together, some people show up once a month, some people are there every day, they make money off their art because why not, people will pay for it, and so far it's paying the bills, they could lose 99% of their profits overnight and the bills would still get payed

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>>4439294
Luna literally fled from there

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>>4439340
Bad or not some people care a lot some people don't, kuzuha, mito, kenmochi, sayo don't really give a shit, himawari probably cares more, pekora cares a lot, aqua probably doesn't care as much, nijisanji in general doesn't care that much

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>>4439463
Tell us about the dog

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>>4439294
They are an agency. Which means they manage individuals who do their own shit. Agency are supposed to provide them projects, sponsorships and legal support to name a few. This needs to be specified. A real corp vtuber would be what Kizuna AI was in the very beginning. A VA that was performing under a script.

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>>4439530
Should've added Gura, the posterchild for being scared of numbers.

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>>4439471
Can you get me some donuts too while you're running your circles, thanks
>>4439568
If she cares about numbers maybe she should stream

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>>4439530
I think people that get their daily bread from doing this definitely care, its just that most nijis can't reach a point where the chuuba career is self sustainable

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>>4439637
Now that's just bullshit, even miyako is self sustainable from streaming, you people have such retarded distorted views where you think if someone doesn't regularly reach 20k then they're starving, stop confusing retarded numberfag shitposting with the reality

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>>4439530
All of the people you listed care about their numbers. Just because they don't say it outright that doesn't mean they don't. It's called discretion.

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>>4439695
No they don't, stop projecting

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>>4439687
The nijisanji dog is literally working a part time shitty job and having difficulties paying bills

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>>4439769
The nijisanji dog hasn't streamed for 5 months, why do you keep bringing pointless shit up, maybe she should fucking stream if she wants money?

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May median views with vshojo and more indie shit.

Is Bahroo a full vtuber now?

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>>4439815
He uses a live2d avatar every time he streams, he calls himself a vtuber, he hangs out with vtubers, so I'd say so.

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>>4439807
Why do you think she hasn't streamed for 5 months while having money problems

1.Nijisanji job is self sustainable
2.Nijisanji job is a waste of effort she'd rather do something else

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>>4439463
Ok, I think I like your analogy better. But it doesn't change the fact that the person managing the club still needs to answer to a bunch of old farts that don't really care about any of that. I've worked for companies before. Managers and other staff from middle management tend to be more "human" (assuming it's not a black company). But the higher up the ladder you go, the more callous everyone is. I'm sure Riku's a good guy. He reminds me of Mark Cuban in fact. It's not him that I'm worried about being a numberfag. It's the people above him.

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>>4439428
Agreed.
But my oshi is still better than all of them.

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>>4439893
I'm not a psychic I can't read her fucking mind, it's still a retarded argument
>wow this one person who maybe streams twice a year isn't making a living off vtubing this means MOST PEOPLE CANNOT MAKE A LIVING
Fuck off

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>>4439748
All of those people belong to Corp. A coro who have investors. Investors that only care about the bottomline. They have their faces plastered everywhere that is profitable. They executives that is always thinking of how to increase their margins. They have managers that have directives from everyone above that is basically about keeping that vtuber active and churning numbers. The vtuber will have to care whether they like it or not. If they really didn't. They would be indie with a crappy 2D until they have enough money to get a better one. Kuzuha himself got in any color because he wants to push his numbers. All of them applied to a corp tl get a boost in numbers.

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>>4439938
>>4439967
>muh investors blahblah
This isn't nintendo, calm your fucking tits

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>>4439946
I'm telling it like it is, if you treat it as a side job then theres no need to worry about numbers, but if you get your daily bread from it you obviously would care, people need to eat and pay their bills, and its something nijisanji obviously isn't providing to the dog.

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>>4440057
No you're not, you're going off on a tangent about random shit, if she streamed every day like miyako does then 400 viewers would be enough to provide for her, but she doesn't, why doesn't she do that I don't know ask her, why doesn't sayo stream, that's just how they live their life, has nothing to do with how many numbers you need to be self sustaining

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>>4439748
if zuha really didn't care about numbers he would have stayed indie, anonchama. being in nijisanji also got him more exposure and connections, things his own autism would have never allowed him to get if he was still on his own buta doesn't count.

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>>4440057
>blaming Mr. Nijisanji instead of blaming the lazy dog

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>>4439991
Anon, I'm trying to back you up here but I also can't lie and say that investors aren't a thing. I trust Riku that he's not gonna pull an Upd8 on us but even I know that investors are what keeps the company afloat and lets Lulu and the others do what they want.

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>>4440203
Now this is some actual incoherent nonsense
>>4440216
Yeah yeah yeah okay sure the investors will retire everyone that doesn't pull 10k on a daily basis, happy now? Or what, pure autism

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>>4439946
if she can get money from streaming she would do it. you don't need to be psychic to know this.

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Conflicting numbers

>>4438180
>>4439815

Why is Aqua missing in the 2nd one

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>>4440338
Or she wouldn't because she has other circumstances, again random fucking retarded bullshit tangent, will you keep running some retarded cirlce over this again? Still waiting for my orange juice and donut by the way

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>>4440334
i literally watch him, retard. if your definition of 'not caring' about numbers is that he (seemingly) does whatever he wants and makes semi-inflammatory statements on occasion, he can afford to do this because he has grown a fanbase full of people who expect him to be like this.

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>>4440334
You know what anon. Just think whatever the fuck you want, I'm done. I'm seriously hoping this is a falseflag because if not then this is exactly the reason why everyone fucking hates us.

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>>4440399
streamed less.

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>>4440518
Ah yes so he doesn't show any sign of caring, but surely he cares because uhhh he just does okay
>>4440548
>everyone fucking hates us
Now I think you're falseflagging, you're feeding absolute shit retarded narratives and say this shit, not that I ever thought that you really cared about nijisanji but this just cements it

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Jan-may number

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>>4440334
10k isn't the norm to say that a vtuber is doing well. That ema promotion for example had a mix of of vtubers that are well known to low viewership count. It's really about at this point understanding how you can market the talent. 1k consistent viewers is actually great. They are affordable enough for sponsors and big enough for people to see your product.

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>>4440629
Ahh so she's placed in a different list.

Thanks

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May numbers

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>>4440632
his roommate used to be more volatile and offensive than he is right now as kuzuha. if he truly and honestly didn't care about anything, he wouldn't have started being more careful. just because he doesn't really let antis get to him doesn't mean he doesn't care about what he does.
and 'caring about results/numbers' from the streamer's side doesn't at all look like the falseflags and numberfagging in this thread, you can't say he 'doesn't show any sign of caring'. this is his full time job and he's an adult, so YES he cares you dumb fuck.

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>>4439815
>>4440629
where are these tables from?

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>>4438806
Have you ever been in r/hololive? This here is child shit compared to how they adore Yagoo and defend everything they do. lol look, both companies have their own problems but we really need to treat one as terrible and another as infallible.

>>4440334
Calm down anon. You know that's not how it works. You know that graduations only happen if the vtuber wants, except of course a branch being closed.

>>4440629
Who are the ones in the list?

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>>4440635
>>4440854
>>4441181
What is this? Why is Sui-chan relatively low on this?

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>>4441354
hololive aqua
nijisanji kenmochi
shigure ui
hololive ayame
shibuya hal
hololive shion
sumomo
nijisanji mayuzumi
ponpoko
nijisanji inui toko
sakura coromin

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>>4441354
My god I'm retard, I meant "we really need to not treat one as terrible and other as infalible.

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>>4441570
So what that list means? The ones who streamed the least and got the highest viewership?

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>>4430121
Huh, other than the top three the numbers seem awfully low today? Was there a big event going down or something?

[Anonymous No.]

Reposting from >4252870 since this is number thread

What's do you guys think about vtuber influence in the streaming culture in general?

https://i.postimg.cc/0k48VNss/Twitch-Communities-May-PNG5275x5965.png
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MkeJbGZCzGA2fEXUgmBvjsTC4iHlH5VbNSocMbdL6rQ/edit#gid=0
https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/nlqz9v/twitch_atlas_vol_4/gzk5d85/

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TICK TOCK HOLO SHITTERS

INDIES AND VSHOUJO INCLINING

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>>4441853
>not even 15k
stop wasting my time you nijiniggers.

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>>4441666
download OCR and scan the text if you cant read on your own holoeopnigger

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>>4440548
kill yourself holotrash

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>>4438896
>livers
Stop that

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>>4441728
Weekdays have lower viewership rates normally.

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>>4438508
>>4438598
Isn't the oficial channel carried by hologra and a couple musical covers with everyone in them? that's fucking crazy

[Anonymous No.]

>>4442824
Hologra, music videos, promotional streams. The Hololive channel is even more variety than the individual holo channels.

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For those who "doesnt care about numbers": This is numberthread

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>>4442352
Seethe eternal Nijinigger

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>>4440203
Anon, Nijisanji wasn’t what it is now when he joined, he didn’t join for numbers >>4440912
>roommate
Huh? Anyway, caring about your reputation isn’t the same as numberfagging yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>4441377
rank - difference to last month - name - total view time - time streamed - live viewers average - live viewers median - max live viewers - number of streams

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>>4441853
At least they aren't nijisanji

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>>4438508
>>4442824
Don't forget the biggest reason the official channel appeared.

[Anonymous No.]

Superchat numbers

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>>4447028
Jfc, I forgot that Matuli still existed but she's still making bank

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>>4447028
what happened to Money Mori ?

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>>4448101
Streamed less