Remember when this was a thing?

[Anonymous No.]

What ever happened to the nijisanji en group

[Anonymous No.]

I want to SEX the fish.

[Anonymous No.]

Pure kino

[Anonymous No.]

>>4446212
Wow me too

[Anonymous No.]

>>4446123
people just kinda forget after they realize that they pose no threat whatsoever to holoen

[Anonymous No.]

>>4446123
Hololive rejects rumao lmao kek

[Anonymous No.]

Alright starts and generally well received. Moderate channel growth, all should hit 100k in a couple of weeks.

Also the fish released a cover song.

[Anonymous No.]

Hardworking, sweet, cultured, occasionally degenerate. The best vtubing has to offer. Probably the most fun I've ever had with vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4446123
What happened to the second wave?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4446633
canceled

[Anonymous No.]

>>4446633
Probably canceled after the sad performance of wave 1. Seriously, have you seen the viewership numbers? They are VERY low.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4446633
The second wave was, as far as I've seen, a very flimsy theory with no actual evidence. Also, if there was to be a second wave of chuubas, why would you debut them less than a month after the first wave? It would risk oversaturation, and Nijisanji is already known for having a crazy amount of chuubas.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4446545
All wrong but I'll correct it for you

Poor starts (seriously, missing your debut?), poorly received, awful channel growth, all should graduate in a couple of weeks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4446975
Not really. Compared to HoloID, they are average. Compared to other divisions like KR and ID in Nijisanji, they're a huge success. Here's an example: Derem Kado from Nijisanji ID has a 7hr stream [Sumire] One Day, One Life that only has 3.1k views.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4446123
They're still around...

[Anonymous No.]

Why do they insist on streaming at the same time as the other two in their group?

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>4447325
The ugliest one

[Anonymous No.]

>>4447010
Your expectation there seems like an expectation to a holo talent, this is niji bro, they seem fine and has stable growth as said, for now.

[Anonymous No.]

I can't believe Pomu's fucking dead

[Anonymous No.]

>>4447125
They spent way more money on them compared to ID and KR,

[Anonymous No.]

They're not bad, but they don't really stand out either, Not much people are paying attention to them anymore since most of the excitement from the debut is gone now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4448779
How so? All I know is they spent money for ads on them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4446123
They are my wives!

[Anonymous No.]

I want to cuddle Pomu's frail body

[Anonymous No.]

>>4447561
They're all part timers
Fish and dragon are college students and pomu is an office worker so weeknights are pretty much their only option for streaming

[Anonymous No.]

>>4446123
>T.Holonigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>4446123
If they're not pulling 20k viewers every single night like muh shark then they're total failures.
Fuck nijis and fuck indies. We numbers in /vt/.

[Anonymous No.]

These comments are kinda retarded what happened?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4446604
>cultured
2 out of the 3 are hard normiecore, 90% of the most generic and surface level tastes possible. Only Pomu is "cultured".

[Anonymous No.]

>>4447125
Comparing to ID is already pushing it, but KR and ID have to be a joke. EN is infinitely bigger of a market,

[Anonymous No.]

>>4446123
They struggled alot due to such a piss poor start
I mean who thought it was a good idea to have them all debut at the exact same time leading to them canabalising each others stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>4451523
Don't forget the stupid simultaneous viewing stream that was siphoning viewers from the main content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4450870
No one is expecting them to do Gura numbers, but for fucks sake, get above Kiara of all people on the regular. They might catch a break some day once they do something worth going viral.

[Anonymous No.]

As a new wave of Nijisanji chuubas their unironically doing pretty okay. Above average even. The dragon I think is about to set a record for the fastest niji to 100k which was previously held by Meiro. As a unit who was suppose to open up avenues to the west, not so great.

[Anonymous No.]

Redpill me on NijiEn, are they reddit tier?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4452241
All mainstream vtubers are reddit tier

[Anonymous No.]

>>4452220
Eh, it's only been 2 weeks or so. I honestly thought Niji was too late to the game and they'd be doing worse, so I'm hopeful enough
>>4452241
They're all fun enough. Pomu in particular is a higher tier of otaku weeb than 90% of the posters on this board, and she's worth watching just for that. Look out for her karaoke streams, where you can hear her do her own idol calls. I've only put streams on in the background for the others, so I don't have the best grasp of their personalities yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4447949
She's not the ugliest, she's Pomu!

[Anonymous No.]

These girls have close to 100k subs after just two weeks, they're literally the fastest-growing Nijis of all time. If they're graduating, then the entirety of 2434 is graduating with them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4452332
are we sure about that? they really are that fast?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4452344
No, all subs, views, and discussion around them has been bots. Even me. Even you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4452344
What, their viewer counts look sus to you? 1k viewer average for 80k subs? I've seen far worse ratios in indies like pic related.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4452241
You can't get any more reddit than this board, and one of them is a legitimate zoomer that reviews keyboards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4452380
>>4452393
I'm asking if they are the fastest. I don't know how the records are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4452344
One of the fastest, yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4452241
pomu is /jp/ oldfag
the other two are reddit tier but so are (You)

[Anonymous No.]

>>4452448
Oh, I dunno, that was just hyperbole. But they're at least catching up quickly; the ones I watch (Cammy and Chigusa) aren't all that much bigger, despite being around for years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4447010
Kill yourself tribalnigger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4452448
It's only been 2 weeks and dragon is about to hit 100k soon, previous record holder was Meiro at 33 days so yes she's the fastest growing niji in terms of subs

[Anonymous No.]

>>4446123
One of them I used to watch before her going to Niji. I don't like Niji and Anycolor, but I watch her. I'm happy that she's in a bigger stage, but I worry a bit for her, because Anycolor is a black company

[Anonymous No.]

>>4452632
If you think anycolor is a black company then by that logic so is Cover

[Anonymous No.]

>>4452736
Every vtuber company is black company

[Anonymous No.]

>>4452767
in here only one always is called as one

[Anonymous No.]

I'm not sure how to phrase this question properly. But who are the NijiENs the most comparable to in Hololive? For example, are any of them similar to Ina/Ame in terms of personality/streaming style etc. HoloJP girls apply too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4446123
POMU RISING

[Anonymous No.]

>>4452791
pomu - ina + ame
elira - mori
finana - kiara

[Anonymous No.]

Whos Meiro?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4452917
wtf i thought fish would be the most based, but it turns out it's the fairy?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4453123
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHnHXClgY7M
Big titty menhera who ate roa

[Anonymous No.]

>>4453204
>big titty menhera
well at least she has two big assets to her name unlike roa who is a whiny boring kid

[Anonymous No.]

>>4453165
Fairy has the highest power level, you can actually tell she's a /jp/ oldfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>4453204
But that's a snowsound

[Anonymous No.]

Nya

[Anonymous No.]

>>4452917
pomu is more like ina +marine, even if she causes goslings like ame

[Anonymous No.]

>>4454096
Finyanya is sex.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4452393
>indies
Retard, Qpi isn't even an indie.

[Anonymous No.]

POMU LOVE

[Anonymous No.]

>>4455550
Pomu is who?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4455613
She is Pomu!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4455653
I'm Pomu!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4455790
Hi Pomu!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4452917
Not really sure I get the Mori comparison from what I know about her she is awkward in collabs and kind of normalfag? Elira on the other hand seems to me to be a sociable type turbo nerd who could talk relatively easily to anyone for hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4453165
Fairy is pretty based, she just doesn't have a lot of clippers yet so you need to scour her vods to see it. Her most based line isn't even clipped.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4452791
Elira is a (slightly) less dorky Reine. She's a better singer and more on the mainstream internet/tiktok/instagram side and less on the "raging repressed lesbian neck deep in fanfiction subculture" but the sincerity, wit and dork energy is there.
Finana is unironically just a softspoken Ollie. She doesn't screech into her mic but she's so horny she literally cannot contain it on stream, is constantly "finish that sentence" away from a yab and is very noticeably younger than the rest, appealing directly to the fortnite generation and referencing popular e-celebs on stream because she's just a big fan of this shit in general
Pomu is hard to pin down. The only ones in hololive with a powerlevel as high as her are Anya and Marine but she's a lot less scuffed than Anya and a lot more chill than Marine. I'd say Ina is a good comparison in terms of overall energy on stream, but their content is nothing alike. I don't know if she has a good hololive analogue. She's Pomu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4456029
Pomu!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4456029
She's Pomu!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4452791
Pomu - Polka. If you were a Polka member you would agree, she just misses the entrepreneurship the clown has.
Elira - Towa + Ame (good singer + fujo, similar games)
Finana - low energy Shion (UOOOH)

[Anonymous No.]

>>4456823
Pomu has a bit of a way to go before she develops a parasocial relationship with her fans comparable to what Polka has. I can see her going there, but there's no sign of it yet. We'll have to see how she handles memberships once she's monetized.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4451523
>>4451764
I missed the debuts. Is Anycolors really even more incompetent than Cover?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4456029
I might put her a little closer to Ame than Ina, but you're right about her not having an analogue. Pomu definitely has her own vibe.

And the Pomu vibe is great. She's chill enough to keep the streams relaxed, energetic enough to keep them lively, funny enough to keep them entertaining, and cute enough to keep them endearing. There's a reason she's my oshi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4452736
Of course I also think Cover is a black company. A little less black, but not by much. But at least it brings more audience and SC.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4457071
I don't really know what they're talking about. They didn't debut at the same time it was a relay on each of their channels ones after the other and the simultaneous viewing stream wouldn't have been syphoning any viewers from the debut streams because it had no audio on it. It would be like doing a watchalong without having the movie playing on your end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4457124
If you applied to Cover, got denied, and ended up at Niji, the whatifs would be unbearable. Gotta be painful

[Anonymous No.]

>>4448963
That's still more than they did for their other overseas branches, but they also made a well produced debut song with a a well known artist and got their biggest ID to do a 6 hour promotion stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4457071
Yes.
What they did was give each njjiEN a half hour debut stream, back to back. Half an hour is obviously not long enough for a proper debut so they were all rushed as hell. On top of that, they had a simultaneous "host" stream run by Hana and some NijiPoo which was meant to emcee the event, but continued streaming through the entire debut relay so instead of directing viewers to the debuts, they just siphoned views off of them and overshadowed the debuts with existing talents that already have established fans.

And then to top it all off, fish had last-minute technical difficulties and couldn't fix them in time, so her debut got skipped and happened a day later. This unironically helped her because it meant she could have a proper hour+ debut in her own timeslot without an idiotic overlap stream.

It's probably the worst I've ever seen a debut rollout handled. I can't tell if they were overconfident in the ENs success after seeing holoEN blow up and thought they literally couldn't fail, or if they had so little faith they thought they'd need to use other talents to prop them up (and had the opposite effect instead) but it was just ridiculously bad. Thankfully the girls themselves are great but the debut bungle has definitely hurt their starting growth, and because of how the algorithm works it's going to take them a long time to claw back that debuff and achieve their growth potential.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4452208
>No one is expecting them to do Gura numbers
Check archives.
You can see lot of idiots believed that nijisanji will pose a threat to hololive on western market.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4452791
Hard to say as they are all pretty unique. Elira for example is nothing like any of the HoloEN girls in that she is extremely outspoken and does an amazing job at chatting and leading conversation for 5+ hours at a time. She's like the perfect normal girlfriend that would be great to bring home to your parents who happens to like anime and games.

Pomu is an extremely high power level office lady who sometimes has gremlin moments. She is usually on the calmer side but can flip to screaming ect pretty fast. Comparisons to Ina are way off because she's not fucking boring.

Finana is kinda like a really soft spoken Ollie where they seem to always be really close to saying something sensitive. Can be VERY lewd at times and is absolutely one of the most rapeable vtubers I've ever seen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4457286
>Comparisons to Ina are way off because she's not fucking boring.
Someone hasn't watched Pomu's LoZ streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4457198
I see.
>>4457209
The girl I'm talking about didn't apply for Hololive. I think that there were IRL events that prevented her to wait for the next Hololive audition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4457284
Sort of feels like Niji has a problem with new talents in that they lack the interconnections that Hololive's gen system does, but new talents are almost competing against their own established girls in addition to other companies. Just the way they structured things but I feel like it's working against them now

[Anonymous No.]

>>4457266
Honestly the short debuts seemed like a better idea in my opinion. They did a quick one to get an initial nervous introduction out of they way and were then able to do sperate "part 2" debuts where they could relax, show off the model, talk to chat and make up tags ect. It seems like a much more relaxed way to do things rather then have them stuff everything into the first stream that may be scuffed to hell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4457266
The fish for the worst viewer turn out to her debut out of all of them. It really didn't help her. Probably would have got double the number of viewers if she did her stream at the same time as everyone else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4457266
The host stream didn't siphon views because you needed to open the debut stream to see what the fuck they were talking about, otherwise it was
>silence
>reaction noise
>silence
>giggle
>silence
etc. I actually hoped they'd put a vod up with everything synched I could watch since it was off by a good minute every time when it was live so I gave up watching Hana.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4446212
brap

[Anonymous No.]

>>4457284
While there were some crazies, I doubt anyone besides genuine shitposters or the clinically insane actually thought that.
Overall, the general consensus was mild interest, but the Western Niche is caught between Hololive and VShojo right now. Niji took too long to get off the ground to make an effective mark, and will have to play catchup for the time being, while sinking a lot more of their (presumably generous) advertising budgets and shoot for collab relations for exposure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4457423
Pomu's debut has 154k views, Elira's 158k. Fina's has 179k
I watched all 3 live and I continue to get Fina's vod recommended to me, but not the other 2. That's because it's doing well in the algorithm while the other 2 are not.

Hana was a debuff. Fina's debut got the most traction.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4451336
This, sadly. And pomu isn't entertaining enough to keep my attention

[Anonymous No.]

>>4457567
A 2 hour long video getting around the same views as a 20 minute one is in no way a success. Views generally increase with the length of stream holding all things equal. And it certain didn't help her in the long run either considering she now has the lowest viewers average out of all of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4457463
I'm sincerely looking forward to NijiEN x HoloEN collabs. I like both sets of girls a lot and I know the two companies have healthy working relationships and have done collabs in the past.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4447325
The prettiest one

[Anonymous No.]

>>4457395
Yeah, Niji has this problem that newcomers don't have a chance. The top of the group has always been Mito and the high school girls, Kuzuha&friends, Lulu, the Sanbaka and the mascot. Everyone else might disappear and Nijisanji would be more or less the same.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4457395
>they lack the interconnections that Hololive's gen system does,
We all know that minecraft is the reason why hololive's gen system works.
Look at moona's growth.
I didn't know about niji's minecraft, did they all play in the same server?
>>4457463
Why niji take that long to establish nijiEN?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4448779
And got only three? Sure thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4452917
>>4455979
I thought Elira was more Ina.

[Anonymous No.]

This is the general, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4457676
HoloEN managers seem like dicks to me in regards to external collabs

[Anonymous No.]

>>4453204
Did she just rebrand in the last week?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4457900
i think so, i'm not seeing any other niji threads so it's probably the general.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4457824
Better 3 than Niji's usual 10 or 20.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4457900
This is the thread I get when I type in niji en so it must be!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4457910
HoloID x NijiEN might be possible though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4457900
Probably not a great idea to make a the thread setup to mock what you're trying to discuss a general unless you want even worse shitposting than normal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4453204
What's this video about?

[Anonymous No.]

Be honest anons. She's way more entertaining than your oshi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4458078
she's cute and i actually do like her, have even caught some streams, but that dragon add on, man. what the fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>4457664
>Views generally increase with the length of stream holding all things equal.
This is blatantly untrue. The algorithm strongly biases for videos around the 10-15 minute mark. The longer a video, the more of it you have to watch to be considered a 'view'
You're talking out your ass like you're some kind of authority on this but you know absolutely nothing about youtube or how any of this works. Please do some research next time so you can at least avoid outing yourself so easily when you bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4457910
nah, they agreed to a collab with vshojo so i don't think they'll block niji.
the only reason the thing with vshojo fell through is because of the shitstorm around vaibe.
i can see them collabing in the future.
but only if pomu is willing to take calli's seed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4458112
>that dragon
It's her boyfriend and he will put a baby in her belly

[Anonymous No.]

>>4457713
You're not even up to date on the outdated subbed clips with an opinion like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4458131
i think he's talking streams, not videos.
generaly a stream will get close to max viewers at around the 30 minute mark.
that's why every outfit reveal by hololive is a 30 minute blueball fest before they actually show the new outfit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4458014
She's Pomu!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4458131
It's really not untrue at all. If you have a 4 he stream that maintains around 3k viewers throughout that will have far more views than a 2hr stream that maintains the same number of viewers normally.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4458131
Not that anon. Your statement was true some time ago, but it seems now the algorithm leans more to videos more than 30 min long and you only need to watch 30 sec for it to count as a "view", unless the video is shorter, then you need to watch the entirety of it. Cats and cute animals are still the top videos tho

[Anonymous No.]

>>4458212
It's just how it's in Niji. Give me an example of someone who debuted in 2020 that has over 300k subs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4458318
Ibrahim + Furen, Im a holofag and i know this, so stop talking shit anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>4458318
Furen and Ibrahim, Melissa any day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4457676
>>4457910
I sincerely doubt that Holo would be as harsh to Niji as they are to VShojo, since their other JP talents regularly collab and are on very good relations with Niji overall (for being the bigger fish of the two in Japan).
Then again, it's debatable that they saved some key "big events" for the NijiEN reveal week, like opening Coco Collabs, releasing the EN official Country Roads cover (as lackluster as it was from the girl's perspective), and also announcing Outside collab possibilities in an attempt to keep their "big fish" status in the West for negotiation purposes down the line.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4458318
ibrahim

[Anonymous No.]

>>4458409
i'm gonna be honest, i don't think hololive is competent enough to do that.
the reason hololive made it in the west is they're very good at scouting talent but in terms of actual managments their a bunch of incompetent bumblefucks (with good intentions).
there is no way they'd be able to do something like that intentionally.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4457415
It may be better entertainment wise but absolutely kills you in the algorithm
You need that long run time for youtube to hook viewers in your bubble
I only watched pomus debut but I only get recommended finnea

[Anonymous No.]

>>4458409
Meds anon.
>EN cover
Scheduled before Niji EN annoucement
>Coco Collab
Youtube Anti bug feature + Kinda inevitable with kiara in usaken
>Vshojo Collab
Actually in the same event with kiara so its retarded to keep the restriction any longer since they realized they share the same space

[Anonymous No.]

>>4457738
>Why niji take that long to establish nijiEN?
To be fair, it was a risky endeavor from the start, and HoloEN caught lightning in a bottle that NOBODY, not even their own team, saw coming.
Hell, All of their talents have now officially breached 1M subs less than a year in, rake in a large chunk of change, and retain some pretty consistent Live viewers ranging from 5-10k (with the YT bug), with Gura being the only one to see a signficant Live drop, but still retains great VOD views.
This continued engagement was unprecedented and the move at the time was incredibly risky after reviewing the botched NijiIN launch, though that's less of the Talent's problems than the company possibly spreading it's management focus too thin.
This is all speculation though, so who really knows why NijiEN took so long, but they've got a lot of catch-up to do, but they can still get some decent following.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4458378
>>4458401
They just merely passed it recently. I should've said 400k kek
It's still only two people out of 20+, overseas branches included, it doesn't take away what I said that new members don't have a chance. Well, I'm comparing Niji with Hololive, anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4458318
Damn even your numberfagging is outdated

[Anonymous No.]

>>4458568
I'd say it was just as much a talent problem. How can you ever hope to gain any traction if you hire only people that won't ever stream more than twice a week.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4458659
Chicken and egg. They were making zero money from streaming and so could only stream in their free time after working full time normal jobs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4458526
>>4458566
I merely suggested it was a possible strategy, not a definite fact. The timing of these 'big' events happening in such quick succession is pretty interesting to say the least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4458641
But one of those members we just talked about from 2020 has been given a hosting role on their most popular ongoing show and other members from 2020 have been given charge of radio shows for months on end, featured in live events, been made part of their trpg games they've released, been included in their recent 16 member mahjong tournament and so on. They get plenty of opportunities but you are only going to know about them if you actually watch the company rather than just repeating the same tired narratives.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4458654
Just by a little bit :)

[Anonymous No.]

>>4458568
I imagine that Niji EN will eventually be like Niji JP:
>Dozens of members
>Most have decent popularity because they fill some niche
>A few are obscenely popular because they got caught by the algorithm
>A few others are in rock bottom because they barely do anything

[Anonymous No.]

>>4458789
Ah, I didn't mean to say that the company doesn't give them a chance, but that the pie was already divided and eaten by their senpai before they debuted, there's no market for them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4458739
don't these companies give their talents a regular paycheck?
i think matsuri specifically said before the big popularity explosion the regular paycheck from hololive is what kept her going.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4458927
I guess it's part of their job to expand the pie then isn't it? Come up with creative content that pulls in new people. Like I am sure Melissa's music for example probably draws in people that never touched nijisanji before hearing her and so on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4458409
>>4457910
>>4457676
To be honest all of "good" relationship with nijisanji stopped year ago when hololive became popular, all of the old collab partners stopped long time ago now, the one still collab are already friend before become vtuber

[Anonymous No.]

I like the dragon and use her as background noise while I'm doing my reps. Soothing voice and adorable laugh. Will probably only catch her karaoke streams live since I don't like her game choices.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4459000
Kuzuha's KING cover has hundreds of comments saying that it got them into vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4459026
>all of the old collab partners stopped long time ago now,
suisei and toko podcast proves otherwise

[Anonymous No.]

>>4459000
A job that Niji has failed to achieve in Japan, Korea, China, Indonesia and India. Let's hope EN is different. At least the NijiEN girls have potential.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4459098
Maybe getting the niji en girls on producing some cover songs would be a good idea. The way people spam listens on those probably greatly increases the chance you'll show up in the recommendation of people outside your immediate followers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4459026
You're referring to Suisei and Toki's radio show, right?

But didn't Towa have an Apex collab with Ratna earlier today too?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4459167
Not that anon, but it's just an anomaly. Where's Subaru and Maimoto, the once proclaimed symbol of friendship between Niji and Holo?

[Anonymous No.]

While all of the NijiENs are talented and definitely deserve to be here, I think it's pretty telling that the picks to flagship their EN brand were the single biggest weeb in EN vtubing and 2 basic asian girls. Definitely gives the impression that their talent scouts have trouble stepping outside of the familiar culture bubble of the JP branch and its brand of japanese entertainment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4459241
idk. I just jumped in because I know that's not entirely true

[Anonymous No.]

>>4459228
Both towa and matsuri are invited to the nijj apex tournament. I think he might have been talking about shina and okayu maybe though?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4459196
Not really? All of Kizuna Ai's songs have more than 1M views but she struggles to get 100k views and she has almost no SC

[Anonymous No.]

>>4459196
Considering their singing abilities, there's no way Pomu and Elira won't release any covers, but their effect on their growth will depend on song choice and production quality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4459167
Suise and toko were friend before vtuber

[Anonymous No.]

>>4459173
>A job that Niji has failed to achieve in Japan, Korea, China, Indonesia and India. Let's hope EN is different. At least the NijiEN girls have potential.
The fuck are you talking about nigger? They are still top in Japan. They are second in Indonesia after Maha5 in term of influence. They are top in China. They are quite decent in Korea which is very hard to archive to begin with since Gook prefer twitch streamer and can just watch Japanese vtubers anyway. India is a bad business decision to begin with. Why Holobronies like this?

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>>4459361
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo8khVJ9qJE
there is no definitive proof that they knew eachother but there is no proof that they didn't either. I think is safer to assume that they didn't knew eachother. It's theorized that the friend that introduced them to eachother was another VTuber now retired (I don't remember the name)

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>>4458869
They would need to scout way more aggressively for that to happen. JP only got so big because they were debuting huge waves in the beginning and then were debuting a lot of units when they stumbled their way into dominating the vtuber market but didn't really know where to go from there. Nijisanji throwing talents at the wall to see who sticks is a meme that is outdated by almost two years now. There are no EN auditions currently open. There might be another wave with 3-4 new members they picked during the first audition but that's it. They would then need to announce new audition and sift through candidates. NijiEN won't have more than 10 members until at least 2022 and I doubt that they will add new livers significantly faster after that.

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>>4452917
>Kiara
Are you stupid? I can't stand that loud and annoying bird, she's nothing like her.

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>>4459632
I remember there was a rrat where Inui, Suisei and Mea are from same idol unit. Maybe it was bullshit.

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>>4459228
Towa and matsuri are apex addicted, they will jump in any invitation to any tournament as much as they can

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When is Miki coming?

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>>4446123
>>4446212
>mermaid
>LEGS
>FUCKING LEGS
>ON A MERMAID
seriously the most infuriating thing to me. it's not a fucking mermaid without a wet tight fish Pussy.

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>>4458409
Exactly. Vshojo and Hololive are working together to snuff out Nijisanji in the English speaking market.

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>>4458078
I already like her a lot, and she’s continuing to grow on me.

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>>4459681
Well, ID and KR already have over 15 members despite being around for less than 2 years.
EN has a way larger potential audience and talent pool than those branches, so I really don't think it'll take as long for them to have that many and even more.

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>>4459777
>Hazard Hornet and Miki.
I'm more curious about who is the third member. Hornet already have antis before he even a vtuber. Miki is cute girl larping as French. Although her French really suck. At least she play fighting games. Also she might be Holo.

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>>4458961
Cover does, AnyColor does not

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>>4459825
Sit down, ye whippersnappers and listen to the tale of the Little Mermaid.

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>>4457463
>vshitshow mattering
Ogey rrat.

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>>4459614
Nice try, but why did you search Niji as a topic, but Hololive as a search term? Because you would get this, right? https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=JP&q=%E3%81%AB%E3%81%98%E3%81%95%E3%82%93%E3%81%98,%E3%83%9B%E3%83%AD%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%83%96
You just manipulate the search term to one that is convenient to your narrative.
Nijisanji isn't big in China at all, what you talking about? If you're talking about group, yeah, because there are no groups there anymore, but Nana and Mea are bigger than anyone in Niji

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>>4459734
Suisei didn't even got to be an IRL idol. That's why she became a VTuber indie in the first place, so yeah it's bullshit

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>>4459898
HoloEN2 audition applications ended not too long ago. I doubt they're already past all the stages.
Unless they were finalists in HoloEN1 auditions, it's really unlikely that any recent graduates are HoloEN2.

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>>4460178 (me)
forgot to say that NijiID is minuscule except for Hana. Again, if you're talking about a chuba group, then, yeah, because there aren't other big groups beside Holo. But the NijiID people are all small

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>>4459950
yeah i know about the story and ariel became unfuckable when she gained legs.

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>>4460178
To me it shows that there's no data for Nijisanji, which isn't exactly convincing.

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>>4460380
Not that anon but maybe people tend to search for the individual chuubas themselves instead of just Nijisanji? It also doesn't help that some Nijis just have insanely differing art styles that you might not even know that they're from Nijisanji. Like I legit thought kuzuha was an indie who just happened to have friends in Niji.

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>>4460253
It doesn't take that long to go through the audition process, anon. It's been over a month since applications closed. Things only get tight when you have a lot of people that are good enough for the role and relatively close to one another in quality, so the decision process is tight. The talent pool in EN vtubing isn't that deep. Instead they just have to filter through the obvious garbage and settle on the 5 least bad. It may be months before they debut, but I wouldn't be surprised if most of the successful applicants graduated the instant they got their acceptance so they could focus fulltime on debut prep.

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>>4460543
I think the shit is just weird because the original anon that made this screenshot >>4459614 said this

>Actually, I don't know if this is a completely even comparison because I'm getting no data for "にじさんじ" as a web search and there's no "Hololive/ホロライブ" as a topic, but "Nijisanji" as a topic wins against both "ホロライブ" as a web search and the suggested "Hololive Production" as a company.

Also, his second comparison

>For comparison purposes: worldwide search stats, english above, japanese below.
>I'm not invested in this but it is interesting.

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I am Pomu pilled.

The problem for Niji was twofold. First, the EN girls are extremely talented and capable, straight up. Even if I am mostly into Gura and Ame this to me is a straight up fact. They are amazing girls. Second, HoloEN came first and as such had a huge head start, and since there were issues with the Niji debut and the fact they didn't take the situation seriously bit them in the ass. My guess was either that they assumed they'll skyrocket like Holo, or they were simply incompetent. They didn't realize they were the complete underdog fighting an uphill battle.

A more simple problem is the fact you simply can't watch everyone, so if they overlap with Gura that wont go well. Furthermore there are only so much hours in the day and when you have a job and so on you have to plan this stuff out.

I am not a tribalfag. I enjoy good vtuber content, so I want Niji to carve out their own audience. As a whole I think EN vtubing is in a bubble, meaning that the numbers will gradually diminish until only actual fans of vtubers and general weebs will remain. This is actually good for the quality of the content because FUCK normalfaggots.

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>>4460178
Nijisanji is にじ さん じ in Google for some reason.
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=JP&q=%E3%81%AB%E3%81%98%20%E3%81%95%E3%82%93%20%E3%81%98,%E3%83%9B%E3%83%AD%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%83%96

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>>4460917
>HoloEN came first and as such had a huge head start
HoloENs headstart was the popularity of HoloJP, not them being first.

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>>4460997
You'd best delete this

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They also pretty much rode the meme wave that FBK and Korone were in the west during the height of lock downs. I honestly believe theres no possible growth for vtubers in the west without being a complete different thing, closer to Vshoujo if anything.

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Nobody has mentioned the timing of holoENs success was also due to fact that everyone was staying home due to the pandemic.

I used to watch GTA RP streams on twitch and after the big e-celebs left after the pump and dump hype, the regular streamers views were pretty dumpster. Then Covid and Cambria happened and suddenly they exploded with 10k+ viewers and tons of subs.

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>>4461690
Done. Why though?

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>>4461726
It goes against the tribalfag/holoshit narrative, wouldn't want something like that to stick around.

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>>4457585
That's because you have the attention span of a goldfish

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>>4460917
The bubble is a fact, and it's a big part of why the NijiENs debuted to much smaller success.
HoloEN came out at the perfect time, dead smack dab in the middle of a global lockdown. Even america, which has spent most of the pandemic pretending it didn't exist, was locked down at the time. Everyone was stuck at home and bored, sitting on youtube killing time. People were open to try new things because they were so bored, and desperate for entertainment. It was the perfect situation.

We know from things the holoEN girls have said on stream that their debut came quite suddenly and they were generally underprepared for it, so it's pretty obvious that Cover moved things forward considerably in order to capitalize on the captive audience created by the global lockdowns.

But now we're almost a year down the line. Most countries have stopped doing lockdowns, have stopped caring about covid and vaccines have been circulating for months. That audience has moved on, returned to normal. HoloEN got to take their bite out of the ones who liked it enough to stick around despite returning to normal, but there isn't a huge audience of bored adults sitting around to be the audience to more vtuber debuts now.

Hololive got really lucky with timing and took full advantage of that and they'll carry through that good fortune moving forward. Their bubble has already 'burst' months ago and despite dropping from like 80k live views to more normal numbers, they're still doing great and growing stably. NijiEN doesn't have any kind of advantage like that because the company jumped the trend too late and missed the covid boat. They're great girls and their channels will grow with time and probably become quite large and successful, because they're good, but it's silly to try and compare their success to HoloEN's. The context is different.

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>>4461726
This guy >>4461758 gets it. Wouldn't want all those days in the rrat race to be for nothing.

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>>4452917
Absolute retard-tier take

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>>4461758
>>4461901
I'm posting it again. Lel.
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=JP&q=%E3%81%AB%E3%81%98%20%E3%81%95%E3%82%93%20%E3%81%98,%E3%83%9B%E3%83%AD%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%83

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>>4462024
No, stop. Think of the rrats.

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>>4462024
I wonder why the Nijisanji (blue) rise and Hololive (red) fall (?) in Japan. Was that because Japanese think Hololive is unwatchable because EOP menace and switch to Nijisanji?

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>>4449363
Why did they pick three part timers? I like them, but they really do seem amateurish. Partly because they're new, but I think it's also just the difference between a part timer and a real professional. They don't have time to do anything big or special.

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>>4462024
i've been learning hiragana for three days and only recognize sa

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>>4461690
Okay, I get it now >>4462630

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>>4462526
That is how Nijisanji work. Vtuber is always a hobby not a full time job. That is why their stream time is the most lax and flexible among all the vtuber companies. Some Livers even stream once a month.

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>>4462526
They have been around for two weeks. What special things do you expect? And what "professionals" are you even comparing them to?

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>>4463602
I'm comparing them to hololive girls of course. Who not only do really long streams, (makes it easier for people in different time zones/schedule to watch) but also put in a ton of work outside the streams to prepare stuff. Obvious examples are mori's music videos, ame's holiday events, and the artwork ina does for her group. It's not just Holo either, any indie streamer with as lot of subs puts in the hours, too.

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>>4464099
That's weird. The way I remember it Ina's stream time was limited because she still worked on some chink gacha, Mori took a few breaks and never did any research until the last 5 minutes before the stream and was completely clueless as to what she is doing even in collabs, everyone on /hlgg/ fucking hated Kiara for being obnoxious for the first several weeks before muh hyperstacy protection force came online, Ame played Minecraft 5 times a week all the way to 500k and Gura didn't do anything special (she still hasn't done anything special) and would go ghost for several days at a time for no explicable reason.

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>>4447325
The strongest one

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>>4449363
They could at least stagger their start times by an hour each so they don't all overlap at the same time. It's not like they do six hour streams on the regular anyways

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>>4447745
I want a skyrim mod to replace every dragon roar with a sheesh

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>>4459777
>>4459898
80% chance Miki is a holo given the timing. But Hornet is male so obviously he'd be Niji if he didn't stop for some other reason.

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>>4462567
That's progress!

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>>4470246
Based on what I heard, there's no way Hornet is good enough to make it into any corp.

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>>4471911
Eh, he was ok enough that I could see it. But it's mostly speculation based on him following the same "Sudden graduation from a vtuber who was doing well with no real reason given." pattern that ones who got picked up by a corp tend to follow. IIRC it was about a month after the ones who turned up in LazuLight graduated too, which would fit the rrat of the 2nd wave debuting around that time.

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>>4475698
>vtuber who was doing well
Was he? I saw anons say that before his graduation, he was streaming to like a dozen viewers at most.
And I get why people think that graduation = picked up by a corp, but I'm not sure if that applies to someone painfully mediocre. Pomu and Elira had something going for them as indies, Hornet only had his model.

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>>4461882
This is pretty much it. Covid was a blessing in disguise. Add on to the fact the vtuber scene in the west has expanded since then. There's like 10 different audiences for vtubers now, and NijiEN has to either grab some of them, or make their own.

This is why I'm against them collabing with hololive any time soon. They need to build interest in the Nijisanji brand as an alternative experience, seperate from hololive, basically the reverse of what holoJP did for EN.

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>>4446123
Chaika in the front page!

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>>4459026
Thats probably a function of the changing reality between the two company. Its difficult to be top dog and realize that the underdog has leapt in front of you. Then add in number/seniority autism and nobody wants to be called a leech/disrespectful. Its a clusterfuck

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>>4487950
Yeah good luck doing that when they ape hololive in promotional materials, design, and function to the point where they put their ads over Hololive's streams. Even now 2 weeks after debut their fanbase is still 99% hololive fans

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>>4489534
I don't think there is a way to choose on what channels exactly your ads are shown. YouTube does it on it's own.

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>>4451523
>>4451764
>>4457266
Imagine saying shit like this when those three are literally the fastest in getting subs in all branches. lmao

> Half an hour is obviously not long enough for a proper debut so they were all rushed as hell.
> and some NijiPoo
This shows so much how you don't know shit about nijisanji. Half an hour is literally how they do debuts for years.

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>>4464624
lol mad nijinig

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>>4453204
ohhhhhh I'm going to SAAAAAAAAAAAAVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>4459173
What? They are huge in Japan and they are doing decent on ID and KR.

>>4459026
This is unfortunately the reality. Most nijisanjixhololive collabs stopped with the exception of the ones who are already friends.

>>4459681
>>4459878
The thing is that Nijisanji changed their approach in a lot of ways. Before they picked an audition and debuted in one month, since 2020 it's audition and then about 5-6 months for a debut. New waves also are now coming later, with a difference of 6 months between each for the branches. JP itself which should get a new wave in 2021 in teh first half has nothing.

>>4460262
Stop looking only for numbers and look for views. Hana and the others with less subs than her have a different of only 400-300 viewers for the most part.

>>4462526
Anon, that's how vtubers on other agencies work. None of them are full time outside of hololive, which most were until 2020.

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>>4452241
Fish>Eli>VT levels of Reddit > Pomu >Actual Reddit
Fish is fucking insufferable. Pomu is ok.

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>>4457124
if you're gonna sell your soul you might as well get paid

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>>4460917
the actual powerlevel of HoloEN is ridiculous, there was an Asacoco episode shortly after their debuts where Coco said it was like having Bill Gates as a kouhai

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>>4490445
You can choose the demographic you want your ads shown to, you know, age, gender, geographic location, stuff like that. They either deliberately aimed for the hololive audience, or the options they choose lead the algorithm to decide they want the hololive audience.