Bros I miss 2019 and the beginning of 2020 so much

[Anonymous No.]

Regarding clips basically. It was so diversified, it had hololive, nijisanji, noripro, 774, many indies, pro vtubers. But since mid 2020, it's 90% hololive and 10% of nijisanji.

Am I the only one who miss that time where translations were more diversified? With them I knew so many vtubers while now you get fucked if you want to know the jp scene and not knowing japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

I miss them too

[Anonymous No.]

English translations are what people look for in clips and Hololive has by far the highest popularity among english speakers. Blame the others for not being good enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4561415
Yeah definitely.
I can't recall the last time I've seen a JP indie subbed.
I swear vtubers like Kagura Mea were subbed pretty commonly like a year ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4561415
If you just did your reps this wouldn't be a problem. I feel you though, I'm sure there are tons of people who wish there were clips outside Holo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4561415
They still get as many subs as before. You just have to specifically search for the channels subbing them because the algorithm doesn't push them.
You're just seeing a lot more holo subs because every seanig that can barely speak Japanese and English jumped on the bandwagon for that sweet youtube cash. Even though they're not even allowed to monetize the clips in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

cut out the middle man and learn japanese. Then you will never need subs again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4561415
I just miss the days when there was less tribalism, less numberfaggotry, and less newfaggotry overall.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4562152
Nigger all of that only exists on this board. You could just leave and things would be just like before this board existed for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4561415
Just go indie hunting and find some sub-10 viewers indie then talk to her in Japanese. It's honestly so bizarre being able to be so direct with a streamer. Usually you need to superchat to even do that, but if she's literal who enough it gets to the point where you don't send that many chat messages so as to not look like a spammer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4561887
Kagura Mea basically died a year ago for westerns. I never would discover her without clips but now there's nothing.

>>4561950
Show me channels then

[Anonymous No.]

>>4561887
>>4562617
The two channels responsible for nearly all her popular clips both stopped around the same time around mid 2020 and no one else picked her up. Her focus on karaoke doesn't help much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4562998
Especially since the majority of it is unarchived.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4562998
Vtuber for all?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4563137
Nah, Evergarden 97 and KaguraMea English Unofficial Fansub. Some others like CMT, Shabby and Yoyuu did some popular ones too but they aren't dedicated fansubbers like the other two were.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4561415
This imagine is fake by the way. My beautiful Miko would never collab with a dirty Niji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4563858
*dedicated Mea fansubbers
Shabby is obviously, but for Marine and sometimes Coco.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4561415
I sort of miss 2017 when vtubing was just starting out, and it was more focused on making scripted videos rather than streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4563884
Miko ghosts her Niji friends. One even asked her to please respond.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4563966
I miss 2017 too

[Anonymous No.]

>>4563884
Cry more faggot. Your whore was leeching from nijisanji between 2018 and 2019.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4563966
those were boring.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4564348
proof?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4564348
Good

Miko knows that Nijis are bad news.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4564348
Miko and Shiba collabed like 4 times back in 2019 and never collabed again, and this was even before Miko got popular.

Shiba is just begging for collabs and orettending that she and mikk were BFFs because she's literally dying, got fired from her day job and isn't making enough money from Niji to pay her medical bills

[Anonymous No.]

>>4565946
Retard, when Shiba tweeted that, none of this happened in her life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4565946
That is really scummy. Shouldn't the collabs be mutual? I'm glad Miko found her best doggo in Korone. Niji's fanbase is toxic as hell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4565946
I wonder how much of the "Miko ghosted her" is true and how much of it is just a rrat. Yeah, we have seen the twitter interaction but I would hardly consider that proof since it's super easy to miss messages on twitter. Who is to say that Miko didn't reach out to her behind the scenes since then?

As for the collabs, going through Shiba's channel, even before this current break she streamed very in frequently. Miko on the other hand streams almost everyday and has a very busy schedule. It's possible that the times Shiba was able to fit in a collab that Miko was already booked up.

Also, let's not forget that Miko herself had health issues to deal with and missed almost 4 months in 2020. I'm just not ready to consider Miko some giant uber bitch based off a single twitter interaction.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4566132
It's not false, it's just missing that Shiba said that in late 2019, when Miko wasn't even that popular either, and she already gave a follow up tweet apologizing to people who got the wrong idea, said she and Miko are still friends.

That said, it's true that they haven't collabed since. Whether it's busy schedules or whatnot, it's true for both back in early 2020 before Holo really blew up, and up till now. Another part of it comes from an interview Miko gave to Tamaki, where she said managers do point out to members things like "you should ask for a collab with x, they're really getting traction", and people dragged it out to mean "go leech and get numbers".

[Anonymous No.]

>>4561415
I also miss that community-submitted captions for videos are a thing. EOPs can actually understand Omega Sister videos that way.

In terms of collabs, I feel like Hololive have been guarding their talents too closely since the pandemic. It's all business for them. Mori can't even collab with her vtuber friends or her oshi. Her roommate even follows Hana Macchia from way back then. And there's so much red tape that a HoloEN x Pikamee collab hasn't even happened yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4561415
there's a timeline where nijisanji became viral for EOP's instead of hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4561415
There is still a dedicated Patra channel and a handful of VSPO channels. The Noah one recently even started branching off and did other VSPO and even some Nijisanji. OreApo has a dedicated channel as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4561415
It's not only that they became like 90% Hololive, it's just that outside of Hololive your standard EOP isn't that interested in searching out Japanese vtubers like they were back then because western vtubing as a whole has become a lot bigger so now they have plenty of english language options.

The big ones obviously being Hololive EN and Vshojo but you also have Tsunderia, Prism Project, Kawaii, Nijisanji EN, and even Hololive Indonesia who primarily speak English. EOPs just have no reason to search out Japanese vtubers anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

EN aside, how does the niji clipping scene looks like nowadays?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4565946
Miko wasn't always reletively popular?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4567081
In that timeline male vtubers are popular with eops.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4568131
Not even close. When she first debuted she was streaming to double digit viewers. Even when she got transferred to Hololive after being solo for 6 months, her viewership picked up a bit but she was still at the bottom of Hololive. Miko didn't really start picking up momentum until she said Nigger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4568131
Yeah, she used to be less popular than Aki and they collabed all the time. Guess what happened with that after Miko got her boost?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4567923
There's still quite a few translating, more than any other agency, but of course not in the same level of hololive as far as quantity which they have 100x more and more channels available as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4561415
There's no bigger demotivator to a translator than their translated clips having shit viewership. Hololive clips are still in hot demand, and the algorithm changing means more clippers are getting popular everyday.
But let's not forget that anyone can be a clipper, clip your shit then hire a translator. If you don't do that then you might as well Face it. it's pretty obvious that clippers want to work on something that they enjoy. The minority begging for clips won't change anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4568131
Newfag go do your archive reps, Miko had a very rocky beginning just like Suisei.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4568426
Yep

The rocky start both of them had is probably why 35p and Hoshiyomi are some of the most fiercely loyal fan groups around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4567378
>The Noah one recently even started branching off and did other VSPO and even some Nijisanji.
Can you give me the link?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4567553
If hololive debut a 6th generation the entire western vtuber audience would be watching with bated breath. People still care about japanese vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4568260
Such a snake. I'm not sure how she managed to fall ass backwards into popularity, even after taking a break during the boom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4567553
It’s astounding how a majority of HoloEN fans weren’t around during the the Aloe incident

[Anonymous No.]

>>4568260
miko is such a bitch. In fact, a lot of hololive were huge leeches in 2018 and 2019 with nijisanji, so it's ironic how holofags think of nijisanji when their success in Japan was a lot due to that. Korone leech to Sasaki, Debi, Pekora and Fubuki to Himawari and it goes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4568938
I don't know if Miko collabing with Shiba can be seen as "leeching" considering Shiba was never that popular to begin with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4568938
It's not like they don't give Niji some love. Towa and Matsuri collab a lot with them. Suisei too. Pekora is busy and so is Miko. Korone is busy too. It is pure coincidence that they stopped collabing with Niji after they hit it big. They hit it big with the west, niji members don't need or want the western audience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4568938
Shiba had less subs than Miko back when they collabed, so exactly who was leeching who?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4563966
Kaguya Luna's roommate still makes scripted videos if you are still interested in those.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4569067
It's hard enough for Pekora and Miko to collab nowadays

[Anonymous No.]

>>4568938
This is true, Holo was the underdog and was severely outnumbered so they had to be really tactical with their stream times, collabs, etc. It just comes off as disingenuous for viewers, like they're only doing business shenanigans instead of focusing on making good entertaining content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4568938
Nijifags be like. Kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>4568260
That reminds me to that Aki's clip where she said she wanted to collab with other Holos, and she got asked, "what can you bring?" Fucking yikes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4569485
Was it Miko? Suisei?

[Anonymous No.]

I will say the Holo bubble that has developed has made things pretty sterile and boring for me. I really liked seeing the variety and a more wholistic "vtuber community" that existed back in the day but that's pretty much gone now. I lean more to the homos, indies, and some nijis now since I still get that old feeling.

[Anonymous No.]

Subaru dumped her Niji friends, has dumped her tomboy look, and has even asked for more gachikois. What went wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4569485
Did this actually happen? wtf

[Anonymous No.]

>>4569064
>>4569123
I wasn't referring to shiba and miko. The example of Miko and Aki/shiba just reminded me of how holo leeched a lot at that period of time to grow.

>>4569375
Exactly. It's all fine but it's just ironic considering how holofags view nijisanji in this board.

>>4569067
It's also coincidence that matsuri stopped to collab with hoshikawa, gundou, yashiro, chaika and others?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4569602
Did she ever collab with any Niji other than Maimoto?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4569711
yes

>>4569602
it's funny because maimoto and ui still collab but subaru acts like maimoto don't exist. all for her gachikois.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4569741
Matsuri is a fucking clingy menhera who suddenly starts ghosting other holos when she can't monopolize their attention, even Korone called her out on it.

Hell, she even stopped collabing with fucking Fubuki despite how she loud she was about thenship and she barely collabs with Luna despite crying on stream about how she finally found a true friend in Luna

[Anonymous No.]

>>4569602
Women change anon, it’s a fact of life

[Anonymous No.]

>>4569711
Dunno about Aki, but something bery similar happened with Lamy and her (ex)manager.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4569741
>hoshikawa, gundou
The pain. Let her heal.

>>4569905
It's funny how much she hates her gachikois when they literally give her nothing but attention.

>>4569774
Can't blame her for riding a wave, not everyone gets the chance she has and gachikois pay the bills. It's all so cynical though. She even said every vtuber is a competitor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4568938
I'll be real with you chief but this is not it. Niji and Holo both appeared at around relatively the same timeframe, within a span of months. Sora debut before niji 1st wave. Only niji at the time became popular leaving hololive in the dust. Now it's the reverse and nijifucks such as yourself are crying like dogs. Niji cope is really something else, huh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4570021
>holomems are starving and nijimems let them in, home and hearth
>hololive somehow becomes extremely popular
>they won't even share a crumb and pretend their back was never scratched

[Anonymous No.]

>>4570111
Based
Survival of the fittest, fuck off Nijisanji. You got pumped and dumped.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4570021
When sora came out hololive didn't even exist. Only after nijisanji was created hololive was created.

[Anonymous No.]

Why are you watching clip instead of streams?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4570111
Good. Nijifags don't deserve anything. Hololive has been winning ever since they dumped niji and went full idol. That's when hololive really took off and completely overshadowed and completely annihilated Nijisanji. Not because of 2434 leaching but because they changed their game plan. Cry about it nijifags. Us Idolchads will never lose.

[Anonymous No.]

Another thread ruined by seething nijiniggers
Cope, cucks, and kneel before hololive.
Or fuck off and kys

[Anonymous No.]

>>4569522
IDs also used to be like this, at least until very recently. I feel like Hololive is more segregated nowadays less due to the girls' own sentiments changing and more due to their contents being more strictly scheduled and regulated around by management.

I'm no collab beggar but I do feel like the organic interactions before is objectively a whole lot better. Partly why I've been moving away from Holo girls starting from this year as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4570441
>tribalfagging this much to a literal corporation

[Anonymous No.]

>>4570280
I'm pretty sure that Sora was bigger than every Nijisanji liver back when 1st wave debut. But when Nijisanji saw some traction and popularity is when hololive released their 1st gen. But niji grew too big at the time for hololive catching up.

It was in the 1st quarter of 2020 that Fubuki surpassed Tsukino Mito to the 500k sub milestone. At the time people were sure that Mito will join the 4heavenlyKings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4570441
Another thread ruined by holofags you mean.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4570624
they can't exactly join 4 heavenly kings when that era is dead

[Anonymous No.]

>>4570376
IDOLCHADS ALWAYS WIN!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4569522
I really think that Cover's decision to all but completely segregate themselves from the rest of the industry is going to bite them in the ass one of these days. Ai founded this industry upon an ethos of connectivity and camaraderie and hololive slowly becoming a walled garden goes completely against this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4570376
>Youtube algorithm blesses hololive
>chongs like onyon and shill her
>they shill her company
>more RNG blessing
>gamer dog somehow manages to capture the attention of idiots by making silly noises and granny fox spams algorithm friendly videos
>they get the not so coveted western market

[Anonymous No.]

>>4570717
They have themselves, and there are plenty of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4570717
I was thinking this too, but especially when Hololive started courting the idol market. I guess idol gachikois are their primary market now, not vtuber fans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4570717
As a nijinigger I don't care about this karmic retribution doomposting thing. Let them deal with Vshojofags, normie anituber followers, idolfags, and redditors. If that makes them world-level successful then good on them, but I'm personally pretty happy not having them in fandoms I participated. You're not a literal corporation, contrary to what numberfags insist you don't really have to care about being "less successful".

[Anonymous No.]

>thread about clips for EOP
>Anon still can't get hororive out of their thought

[Anonymous No.]

>>4568131
>>4568254

Ironically I think she actually gained more subs while on break as opposed to actually streaming. Her return 3d stream was a pretty big event.

>>4569522
I don't buy any of the rrats about them intentionally walling off for leeching fears or anything - they've just grown in size and all the newfags have no sense of perspective on how many streamers they've got in just a few years.
Hololive's been adding 2 gens every year since 2018.
At the start of 2018 Hololive was 10-12 people; today there's 34 JPs, 6 IDs, 5 ENs, 9 Holostars (and previously 6 CNs too on top of that). There's lots of room for outside collabs if you only have to maintain connections with 10 other coworkers; it gets a lot harder to fit stuff in when you have 30+ coworkers. And Nijisanji's also gotten big in the same span of time - it's tough to maintain that cross-community cohesion unless you've got a really strong relationship going already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4570630
>thread is going well
>nijinigfer eats some blatant grade-D bait and starts spewing the samenold "Miko leeched and dumped Shiba" narrative
>thread gets absolutely detailed

[Anonymous No.]

>>4570604
veibaechama...

>>4570727
>chongs like onyon and shill her
>gamer dog somehow manages to capture the attention of idiots by making silly noises and granny fox spams algorithm friendly videos
This literally means that Cover got VERY lucky with their talents, because Enikara also had all the other points

[Anonymous No.]

>>4570965
To be fair I only pretend to be a Kuzuha fan in number threads so recreational purposes. I don't really watch him, I like Yashiro actually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4570727
Facts. Hololive provides content that people wanna watch. Bonus that the youtube algorithm picked up said content. Also bonus that hololive clips where extremely popular on the twitter sphere as well. If only Nijisanji didn't hate their overseas audience, they would have caught up by now. It's pretty sad. I feel sorry for you nijifags. An Attention deprived audience who live a life full of pitiful cope. Such is the life of the average nijifag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4570021
Ai completely ghosted hololive after the chink fiasco, she even sent Lamy a superchat and wanted to collab with her before it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4570376
You already lost. You have whores like Coco, Marine, Kiara, Towa, etc and the Vshojo collab is still happening. Not to mention none of your 'talents' are good at singing or dancing, basic requirements for an idol. Hololive should just drop the idol image completely at this point, it's an embarrassment for them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4571258
Niji livers and Niji fans do not want you ilk. They're fine where they are, they dominate the most important market and have revenue streams that aren't limited to charity from bored losers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4571391
Does this count as ghosting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4571406
>>4570965
And people wonder why NijiEN was dead on arrival...

[Anonymous No.]

>>4561415
do your fucking reps it's not like they're dead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4571687
NijiEN literally got 100k the fastest in Nijisanji..

[Anonymous No.]

>>4571958
And get at least a dozen live views too!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4571687
I watch livers I like and want them to deliver content that I like, unlike (You) who are pretending to be a corporation and obsess over numbers even if they're well above what the vtuber needs to stream comfortably. NijiEN is doing fine and capable to survive financially. Stop being a stereotypical corponigger and assuming Cover's interests, successes and needs as yours for fucks sake

[Anonymous No.]

Hololive is IOS

Niji is Android

[Anonymous No.]

>>4569602
Subaru's inclining to the moon while niji girls are reclining due to being outshined by the male nijis

[Anonymous No.]

>>4567081
There's probably one for .Live too...

[Anonymous No.]

Who cares about any of this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4572260
Good thing we're not in that timeline. based Tama

[Anonymous No.]

>>4572215
This top 10 most subbed Nijis. Tell me how many men in there, faggot.?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4572307
too many

[Anonymous No.]

>>4572028
For whatever reason, numberfags truly believe that a VTuber needs a concert arena sized audience to be considered successful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4572028
>larp as unityfag
>use the term liver
You Nijiniggers keep outing yourselves so easily.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4572307
Wait. I mean top 18.

[Anonymous No.]

hololive sucks, niji sucks, and sexy magnet is dead why even live?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4572370
>larp as unityfag
Never did that, nigger. I mainly watch Niji males nowadays, but I did start out as a holofag and still watch and member some Holo girls occasionally. That said I don't care enough which term I'm using, so if you want to autistically stick on that point then it's your loss tribalfag

[Anonymous No.]

Something has to have come down from hololive staff right? All those old clips of hilolive nijisanji but now outside of events they don't really collab much. Maybe the China thing make cover risk adverse or niji risk averse

[Anonymous No.]

>>4572657
>I mainly watch Niji males
Not only did you out yourself as a Nijinigger in the last post but now you out yourself as a homosexual. You should keep some secrets to yourself buddy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4569741
>Exactly. It's all fine but it's just ironic considering how holofags view nijisanji in this board.
that's mostly the fucking bandwaggoners and definitely almost all pretty much newfags. Hell, I considered myself a newfag when I started watching V for real in 2019, as in more than the occasional Kizuna video. Don't even get why people advocate for [Corporate Group] when they're basically the same shit, and both of them killing what VTubing was supposed to be with their 企画 suitshit "content".

[Anonymous No.]

>>4572776
Yagoo's business strategy is prioritizing the overseas English audience since he knows hololive has very little room to grow in the domestic market.

[Anonymous No.]

there isn't a vtuber "scene" anymore, it's too big

[Anonymous No.]

>>4561887
>I can't recall the last time I've seen a JP indie subbed.
ever heard of Amatsuka Uto?
Japanese, Indie
She gets an insane amount of clips.

[Anonymous No.]

Wouldn't Nijisanji become the top again once the meme pandemic goes away since all the overseas will be back being wage slaves?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4573235
no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4573235
At least in burger land the major lockdowns where everything was closed ended last summer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4573235
there's a pandemic in japan too you know

[Anonymous No.]

>>4573369
it's pretty much just getting started in Japan too when compared to the west

[Anonymous No.]

>>4570667
4heavenlyKings were decided based on subcount. That's why Mito was even considered. Hololive dominating is the reason that title was retired.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4573090
Uto is a holo in all but name. Her audience is full of holofags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4573434
doesn't matter, she's still indie
plus its not like she's acknowledged by Amelia or the others

[Anonymous No.]

>>4573389
no it isn't, it's nearly over, they're vacciniating people like like the rest of the civilized world

[Anonymous No.]

>>4573476
>or the others
Kiara tweeted her stream. Mori was in her chat. It's just Ame.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4573090
>Uto
>Indie

[Anonymous No.]

>>4573491
just look at the numbers, Japan is no where near the same point that the West is

[Anonymous No.]

You guys act like everyone in Hololive panders to EOP when not everyone panders to them and are still getting great views.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4573533
most of those are shit points
she is an indie as far as we know
Saying, she's not the right kind of indie or whatever does not dispute anything

[Anonymous No.]

>>4573551
UK and the USA aren't "the west", they're outliers who had the some of the worst amount of cases in the world
Japan just wasn't hit as hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>4573429
Basically this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4572264
Kill yourself tourist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4573429
>Hololive dominating is the reason that title was retired
no retard nojyaloli and kaguya luna were already dying before the hololive eop boost. former went on a year long break around mid 2018, latter started uploading less and less. shitennou stopped being relevant as early as the last quarter of '18

[Anonymous No.]

>>4573580
>UK and the USA aren't "the west"
What are they the East then?
>Japan just wasn't hit as hard
Japan was hit late maybe not as hard, but they are being hit

[Anonymous No.]

>>4573583
Top kek! Only Ai held strong but even she is about to fall.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4573235
I can see them getting stronger because, oddly enough, 3d collabs and offcollabs are two of nijisanji's strong points that got hit hard by the pandemic.

Organizing bigger events in a group with so many members greatly benefit from offline meetings.

Nijisanji has at least two 3d studios capable of rigging dozens of members at once and we haven't seen their full power on display ever because their biggest 3d tech leap happened after the pandemic hit. Legit won't be surprised if we get daily 3d streams once pandemic ends.

Nijisanji also does a lot of product collabs that benefit from more IRL public traffic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4572362
Hololive has set the standard. The bar has been risen. Don't know why you would want to lower it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4573766
calling someone a failure who can comfortable make a living is ridiculous
"Success" isn't just reaching the level of hololive, some people aren't after that

[Anonymous No.]

>>4572307
Only the man are seeing substantial growth. The females are back round characters at this point. There's a reason we call it mansanji. It's laughable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4573668
I'm not sure what you're trying to say
Japan is at the peak of a spike, it's looks like it's going down, it's basically going down everywhere except poor countries

[Anonymous No.]

>>4573090
>indie
She's in negotiations trying to buy out her model from her "black company".

[Anonymous No.]

>>4573578
>she is an indie as far as we know
Except for the fact she's revealed she was never an indie in the first place and lied about it. If she got her model thanks to the company, there is no way she cut ties with them and still uses it

[Anonymous No.]

>>4572370
>only nijisanji uses the term liver
https://youtu.be/4JACxzBnk0Y?t=5

[Anonymous No.]

>>4573826
>back round
at least post an ass, ESLchama

[Anonymous No.]

>>4573930
my point was, the chances of audiences dying because of lockdowns being lifted in western is the same if not greater of an issue in Japan, as they aren't as far a long as western countries

[Anonymous No.]

Great to come back to my thread only for fucking retards to begin tribalist shit on here.
>>4573826
Only retards like you call it manjisanji, pathetic person. And saying only the manga re seeing substantial growth is to not see their subs.
>>4573429
It has nothing to od with hololive. The title is retired because the 4 are now on a bad situation and their era ended in 2019
>>4572362
For many here, only hololive is successful. They have an insane mentality about numbers when the reality on this industry is so much different and when streaming in general also isn't like this either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4574031
Except she didn't say she was never an indie and she did say she joined after being a vtuber
plus she said she's no longer with them
cope harder

[Anonymous No.]

>>4573826
>we
There's no "we" it's just (You) seething holobrony pushing this buzzword.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4574058
OH NO HOLOBROS, YAGOO-SAMA IS USING LIVERS AS WELL

[Anonymous No.]

>>4574091
You're the one coping. Did Uto's company hire you to convince anons of facts you can easily check with a two minutes archive search?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4574172
what the fuck are you talking about? read the tweet she put out
https://twitter.com/amatsukauto/status/1361880048068796416
>In short, when I was streaming as an independent vtuber, a company approached me and offered a contract to join them

[Anonymous No.]

>>4568254
some one gets it,
hololives whole boom has been a huge anomoly in the industry and nothing short of a miracle, it literally required the exact conditions to be met, which did end up happening with the whole corvid incident following up with many different incidences causing their en branch to blow them up even more.

[Anonymous No.]

I miss Patra translations. Fuck hololive for destroying the jp scene in the west.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4572950
im actually surprised 4chan of all sites think kizuna ai was the first vtuber and never mentions eilene, when she first started from 4chan in the first place and even had a member of her group get in the 4 heavenly king territory

[Anonymous No.]

>>4574300
Don't blame the player, blame the game. It's called "Fan translations", not paid clipper.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4574099
A buzzword that perfectly describes the utter state of Nijisanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4570177
fucking based egoist,
altruism is for losers

[Anonymous No.]

>>4574087
Hololive is obsessed with numbers? Someone post the niggersanji website self jerkoff image.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4570604

i love watching everyone act like seething apes arguing which company is better than the other, like retarded MARVEL AND DC fans lmao,
meanwhile im just gonna watch my honjoTV and chill

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>>4571401
>you assume all holos are idolfags

you realize the people complaining are literally a 1% minority samefaging over and over again right?
literally the silent majority doesn't give a shit. coco and marine is one of the reasons why hololive became so popular because ultimately people got tired of the prude shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4574338
Eilene...

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>>4574300
Clippers gotta eat, and if the only way for them to put food on their table is by making hololive clips, then I say good for them. Vtubing is booming...
Only on the hololive side of things though.

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>>4574247
And that's a lie. It's already a well-known fact that Nabi never works for indies, only companies. It becomes even more obvious that Uto is lying when you realize that chuubas who separate from their companies never manage to come out unscathed, it takes them months of negotiating to get the right to their character, if they ever get it. She's still with the firm, she just pretended to separate from them due to backlash

[Anonymous No.]

>>4574413
There you go
https://holo.poi.cat/youtube-channel

[Anonymous No.]

>>4573707
probably not desu,
more than half of gura's subs only subed to her for her roommate or are not interested in the vtuber thing, you can tell based on the sub to view disparity on her videos and streams. almost none of her subs actually watch her videos

[Anonymous No.]

>>4574542
Meds

[Anonymous No.]

>>4574564
not a single thing you just said was true

[Anonymous No.]

>>4574608
Cope with already known things

[Anonymous No.]

>>4573766
Hololive isn't the bar for success. They're an anomaly for both VTubers and live streamers as a whole. We already have almost a decade's worth of data when it comes to live streaming. Having around 20 live viewers (size of a typical classroom) already puts you in the top 1% of live streamers. Having a few thousand (size of a typical concert hall) means you're already doing quite well and most streamers can live comfortably in that range. The five-digit concert arena sized audience that various members of Hololive and Nijisanji pull in on a regular basis is not a realistic place to put the bar. In any industry, the bar for success is placed closer to the industry average, not the top percentile.

[Anonymous No.]

I would just give anything for any JP vtuber I'm interested in to have fully translated streams, even if it took weeks after the stream ended. Back when vtubing was about edited videos instead of streaming vidya, it was nice to be able to actually understand what was going on. The very best case nowadays is that someone in the chat who knows Japanese summarizes what is being said. That's still not a good situation since this is prone to error and much of what was said gets lost. Clips were only a compromise, but now less JP stuff is getting clipped simply because clippers divide their time between JP and EN. And no, I will not learn Japanese. Maybe one day I will just pay a translator to translate streams for me.

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>>4574338
It's been 4+ years, the history has already been written, Eilenefags need to give it up already. Ai coined the term and for all intents and purposes founded the industry. Everyone prior to Ai has been relegated to predecessor territory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4572260
Fucking lying cunt Sio

[Anonymous No.]

>>4574338
Ami Yamato was 3 years before her, that's why

[Anonymous No.]

>>4574799
NEVER! EILENE-SAMA BANZAI!

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>>4569522
>>4570563
Similar feeling here. I watched mainly Hololive but they started to get boring for me and very closed off they felt, especially when I started watching a few indies and Holostars, the latter of whom showed me just how big the Vtuber sphere actually was and lead me to start branching to more indies and some companies like Nijisanji and Nanashi. Eventually I just stopped watching the Hologirls almost completely.

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>>4570717
Not gonna lie, the more assholish part of me is hoping it does, but another part of me really doesn't, just hope that if it does bite them in the ass it doesn't hurt ID and Stars too much too...

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>>4574881
The only reason you watch Niji is because it's the next best thing. Animare & .Live etc why do you people act these other agencies don't exist. Moving from one corpo to another corpo is weirdo behavior. Almost like the interest is not genuine. Very spiteful in nature. Considering every agency has it's issues, which are mostly driven by uncontrollable narratives.

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>>4575130
Cope

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>>4574413
You mean this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4575130
Fun fact for you anon: I got into Animare way before I got any real interest in Nijisanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4575172
Roa...

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>>4561415
In terms of percentages, sure, but in terms of raw numbers, everyone's clips have gone up as interest in vtubers has grown.

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>>4574868
not exactly true, she started doing the mocap thing around 2013ish around the same time as eilene, also she didn't do anykind of vtuber content that you consider that genre like the kaguya luna and kizuna ai short videos which was started by eilene

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>>4567081
timeline when eilene's English channel didn't get banned in 2015 and moe ended up being the kizuna ai of 2016. literally got banned a few months before kizunais boom and her move to 3d was delayed, if youtube wasn't a huge faggot with the false copyright claims this would have happened

[Anonymous No.]

>>4575541
>Eilene Gakuen En
>all of them are 4chan shitposter who represent each board.

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>>4574799
no true in 20 years people will praise eilene instead of the fraud kizuna ai(who faked this whole stupid artificial intelligence gimmick to get views exploiting the rise of googles deep mind and gaining interest) as the true founder of vtubers.

just like tesla getting recognized over that fraud Edison 50 years later

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>>4571040
>Her return 3d stream was a pretty big event.
It was literally Hololive's biggest stream until Gura managed to break the all-time Vtuber stream record.

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>>4575172
Corpos like Anycolor or Cover can numberfag all they want, hell the chuubas can numberfag all they want. It's literally their livelihood and income. People are complaining here that the fans are doing it. See, once again it's
>internalizing the corporate identity and interests as your own
It's schizo and weird.

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>>4563966
Streaming ruins the internet! Twitch was a mistake! They are just a bunch of lazyass untalented content creator with zero creativity. Fuck Nijisanji for popularizing that lazyass trend. They were a bunch of cancer and mistakes, mass producing shitty vtuber and shit

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>>4570717
>Cover's decision to all but completely segregate themselves from the rest of the industry

Its the rest of the industry that distanced itself from Cover for fear of losing permissions for chinese games after the Coco-Taiwan thing. And by the time they felt it was safe to collab again, Hololive had grown exponentially and they were essentially in different weight brackets.

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>>4575764
yeah these days all i see are fucking boring ass 2 hour long streams where the chubbas do FUCK ALL, no fucking wonder people tend to rather watch clips.
no way im sitting through 3 hours of them mumbling uninteresting nonsense doing absolutely nothing.
fuck streaming its boring as fuck people who watch streams literally have no life

[Anonymous No.]

>>4575957
This you literally get the best moments by watching clips

[Anonymous No.]

>>4569711
don't immediately believe everything posted here lol
most nijis here are salty rrat factories

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>>4570717
FUCKING THIS! Kizuna was stay true to a youtuber community by hard carry this whole niche into the mainstream. Now Hololive with their Superiority complex rules being closed off really shiting all over the core She built. Man Fuck hololive and their newfllag

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>>4574564
>you can tell based on the sub to view disparity on her videos and streams

Gura has a really good sub to view ratio actually. Its just that most of them watch her vods rather than see her live. Its a natural consequence of not having all of her audience in a single time-zone.

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>>4569485
that was from einnashu's clip wasn't it, you faggot. That was Aki just spelling out her own insecurities. Manager saying this is a vile rrat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4576046
Hai, falseflagger desu!

[Anonymous No.]

>>4570017
the most horrible rrats always put a small bit of truth before injecting the rrat

[Anonymous No.]

>>4576046
Seethe

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>>4574689
>In any industry, the bar for success is placed closer to the industry average, not the top percentile.

Unlike most industries, live streaming is often done done by amateurs who don't make their living off of it. This lowers the "industry average" by a lot because there isn't an easy way to tell an amateur from a professional.

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>>4574440
Honjo is based af! It hurt me that people forget she was the backbone of International Vtuber. Even promoting it to JP audiences. Based Miya

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>>4575633
>just like tesla getting recognized over that fraud Edison 50 years later

No. It will most likely be more like the history of the car. Sure, there might have been Cugnot's steam wagon and a few others first, but the Ford Model-T is widely recognized as being the first "real" car.

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>>4574413
this?

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>>4576220
Tf is a pro streamer? Do u mean pro scammer?? Those lazyass should all kill themselves. Fucking NEET

[Anonymous No.]

>>4576628
Touristchama...

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>>4576046
The Era of scripted YouTube content was already drying up due to YT basically pulling the plug on most of the money inflow from the golden era. Now a days, there is a reason the "big" channels, western especially, that still make that kinda content are loaded with paterons and shit like that. The move to streaming live content was a natural progression as a way to a actual make money on YouTube again. A 2million views video that you can maybe push out 1 or 2 a week for anyone except that top of the top of YT "influencers" make less money than a 1k andy streamer that streams even a few hours a day a few days a week. Kizuna and the like can only make so much from the rare concert and while merch helps, only the top 1% can reliable profit off of it. Also, streaming was a heavily untapped market in Japan, yes there was NicoNico streamers but those were basically a joke compared to what the western stream made at the time. Hell most vtubers stream extremely lightly (there are exceptions) compared to most of the big Twitch streamers but still make bank.

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>>4561415
>Translator
That's where you're wrong. You need to remember a lot of translator wants money instead of just spreading their favorite vtuber. Remember how there used to be a lot of bad subs like super low quality subs? Hololive brings them money, thats just how simple it is.

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>>4576165
No rrats, just honest analysis.

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>>4571040
I'm not faulting the holo girls for not outreaching since the group that they're obligated to interact with is already getting huge. But in the same vein, we've gotten confirmation that EN has been on a very short leash with Calli having her collab ideas shot down.
Along with this, the whole Hololive family image that helped elevate Hololive has been slowly dying as you realize they're a handful of talent that have full on never interacted and that will continue to grow as Hololive introduces more generations.

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>>4573560
Who doesn't pander to them while getting strong views? Botan and Lamy are the only that come to mind, Okayu too. Watame? Quite a few of the big ones have phased out the pandering though, Korone's only done like one english segment recently in a long time.

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I've noticed the quality of English clips has gone straight down the shithole as well. Many of the better clippers have just stopped entirely all thats left are the click bait shitpost ones. The hololive population boom has been nothing but a curse

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>>4574338
Nowadays Eilene focuses more on being a vtuber developer rather than one herself. That said, she was still one of the first ones I learned about when doing my history reps when I got into vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4585984
Samefagging but her getting banned by YouTube and separation from Akari were also factors.

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>>4561415
I feel you, when Nijisanji was at the undisputed top there was variety in streams and more collabs between companies thanks to the freedom Nijisanji gives.

Now that Hololive is at the top, everything is more of the same and contained mostly around them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4585959
A curse for the clip deprived . A blessing for the average holochad drowning in unwatched clips

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I'm just sad that the people actually passionate about chuubas are not met with the reception that they truly deserve
https://youtu.be/0A36tRExdtY
https://youtu.be/pOJqUlbFfEY
While parasites like these, for example
https://youtube.com/c/dloow
https://youtu.be/oSyoD1ly6_4
https://youtube.com/channel/UC1B3Dhu4PWXz7g39xkBxswA
are the ones getting rewarded and recognized despite exhausting 1/100th the effort. It's fucking unfortunate the amount of braindead retards hololive has attracted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4574413
I didn't say hololive you fucking retard. I meant hololive fans. How the fuck yo ucan misinterpret something like this?