/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Which platform is better for vtubers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367078
Youtube for members streams and ease of video archiving

[Anonymous No.]

me

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367078
discoverability on youtube is objectively better than twitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367152
hahahaha
good one lad

[Anonymous No.]

Is that even a question youtube is way better than twitch. Twitch is fucking horrible, only whores (Western vtubers) stream there. Streaming in twitch is like shooting yourself if you are a vtuber. Most of the community just directly hates twitch

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367078
literally every twitch chuuba is a whore

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367078
youtube. unfortunately it has the shittiest chat every designed, despite google having experience building fifty chat platforms.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367078
Ludwig was always right. Twitch only continues to exist because of its existing culture and userbase and the high risk of moving platforms. Youtube is objectively superior even if its rules and site design get continuously worse - Google actually fucks people over less than Amazon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367078
YouTube if you're Hololive or Japanese language only, Twitch if you're an indie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367214
go refute his point

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367152
are you joking? that's like the main thing twitch has going for it, youtube's recommendation system sucks, it doesn't even have a real way to browse for streams you'd be interested in

[Anonymous No.]

They're both shit for different reasons. You can arguably make more money if you grow on youtube enough because twitch is a 50/50 split now AND they bombard people with ads.
>>47367214
He's not entirely wrong. You get recommended obscure channels and streams on youtube which helps, and again, less ads means people might stick around. It fucking kills low view streamers on twitch now. People raid them or go into someone's channel and click out because of ads. Even with adblocks you can still get them, twitch is updating to go around blockers and have done so for a while.

Smart content creators use both. Smarter people should start streaming on both from the very start and train their audience to it, so they get used to streams on both rather than all in one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367078
Something something vshojo something something whores something something hololive

[Anonymous No.]

Twitch has been so bad lately but I still don't understand why Vshojo hasn't switched to YouTube yet?
Are they afraid to compete with many other big agencies?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367401
>I still don't understand why Vshojo hasn't switched to YouTube yet?

Vshojo is owned by a twitch founder. Its a brand that is designed to empower Twitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367078
Clarification: do you mean for vtubers to use / stream on or do you mean which has the better vtubers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367152
If you open youtube on a fresh browser(no vtuber searches, no links to vtuber videos opened) and don't log in to your channel you will not see vtubers on the front page. Youtube would show you 1view flesh streamers 100 times before they show you a vtuber unless you specifically ask for them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367078
Blue Dorito good, whores bad...every time same shit grow the fuck up

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367319
Youtube has a better algorithm. Being a 2views on Twitch is basically a death sentence because the platform will always promote the big names over you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367620
>Youtube has a better algorithm
Fucking what? Nobody, literally nobody believes that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367152
Tell that to the hundreds of 1view chuba that the YouTube algorithm has never helped

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367078
>one has 99.999999% of the japanese
>the other has an anti-japanese culture
hmmmmmmmmmmm very tough question

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367078
>for vtubers
twitch
>for audiences
youtube. global emotes were a mistake

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367266
Popular doesn’t mean better

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367725
>muh japaniiiiiiiiis

[Anonymous No.]

>Twitch now has some starburst eye rape banner blocking the chat if you aren't logged in
I can block it, but why even

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367620
>the platform will always promote the big names over you.
I'm not seeing it.

[Anonymous No.]

Twitch offers a lottery system because of its raids. Youtube is objectively better because you can watch it on your television and that's a sizable demographic. But, it doesn't have that glittering brass ring of being raided by someone huge and achieving stardom "overnight".

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367152
>>47367286
>>47367385
I don't see any. I see Sykkuno there. I wonder if he'll be there when he streams as a vtuber.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47368263
youtube has had raids for months

[Anonymous No.]

>>47368273
Not here either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367078
>Youtube
If you're a weeb and a corpo's bootlicker. Well established but fake.
>Twitch
If you like indies and their circle of friends. Diamond in the rough.

Personally I don't understand that debate. I watch both and don't feel like fighting for mega corporations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47368273
>>47368365
you wont grow if u dont make youtube videos, that alone should be a deal breaker

[Anonymous No.]

>>47368365
Maybe one of these?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47368448
Not ever he-WAIT A MINUTE WHOA!

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367078
Youtube because it keeps vods forever.

[Anonymous No.]

People always go on about muh discoverability in these arguments, but strictly in terms of streaming they both suck ass. Almost no one is just going through categories or some kind of recommended feed, randomly clicking on 2views until they find one they like. Discoverability is at least 95% a game of clips, tweets, ads, recently shorts, etc..

[Anonymous No.]

>>47368273
>>47368365
>>47368448
Twitchfags are actual retards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367078
Twitch is fucking cancer through and through
Just look at the kind of people using it, look at what chat looks like, look at the shit features and the laughably bad membership stream system

[Anonymous No.]

>>47368610
>watching vods
Bro it's called streaming because it's happening live in real time. Stop living in the past.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367078
>indie
twitch
>group
youtube
>best one for the viewer
youtube

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367078
Youtube is not even a comparable streaming platform. Their competitor is Tiktok, YouTube doesn't care about streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47368828
>you will only watch ze streams as they happen
>you will not have ze own archives
>you will not have ze records and proof
>you will eat ze bugs
>and you will be happy

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367725
>anti-japanese culture
You people are weird.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47368709
If you have to be knee-deep in chuubas before Youtube starts recommending whos then that isn't discoverability. Vtubers are hidden.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367494
Google will still identify you through your device, wifi and location.
If you open a new device in a public space, the recommendations will be based on your ISP's region. If you're in east asia, that's a lot of vtubers. If you're in burgerland, that's a lot of troons.

[Anonymous No.]

Corpo = Youtube
Indie = Twitch

twitch streamers are boring as shit though, i only watch Rurumi & Nootie

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367078
YouTube. You can't grow on Twitch without a lot of external back-up, whether that be from getting shout-outs from other vtubers or you joining a corpo with someone big enough to carry your ass.
Also you still make money even if you're not online streaming on YouTube. You stop making money completely if you're not online streaming on Twitch.

[Anonymous No.]

Virtual Twitch streamers aren't Virtual YouTubers and they belong on Twitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367078
read the name, it's vtubers not vtwitcher.

[Anonymous No.]

There are a lot of delusions about Youtube here. Where do you think all your corpo whores come from? Where did they get scouted from? Besides HoloEN1, every single girl came from Twitch. The birthplace of Indies.
For the JP side, it's a different story but Japanese people don't really use Twitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47368414
Put that another way. One of your options of growing on YouTube is if you make videos. What can you do to grow on Twitch other than streaming and praying?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47369088
>you will not have ze own archives
>you will not have ze records and proof
Meanwhile YT vods being privated, removed, DMCA'ed as well but also restricted in some countries which Twitch doesn't do
>you will only watch ze streams as they happen
Yes. In fact I only enjoy watching when I have a possibility to interact with streamer which is the whole point of streaming

>>47368960
>best one for the viewer
>youtube
Enjoy your oshi being shadowbanned by YT for some trivial reason. Don't be surprised when you suddenly find out that a stream you didn't know about happened an hour ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47368684
On Twitch you can literally type or click on the vtuber tag and search for all live vtubers. It's that fucking easy. And if you're someone looking for a smaller streamer, then you're interested more in that kind of easy discovery. Of course streamers are going to be hit or miss. I have zero idea how xQc has 60+ thousand people watching him, but to each their own.

[Anonymous No.]

Anons when they realise you can upload highlights on YouTube while also streaming on Twitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47369475
YouTube streaming was still growing then and Twitch was really the only option in the minds of Western content creators. You didn't even have basic mod features for chat back then in 2020, like having to be subscribed (free) for a period of time in order to chat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47368752
YouTube is fucking cancer through and through
Just look at the kind of people using it, look at what the chat looks like, look at the shit features and the laughably bad membership stream system (all of which they stole from Twitch and other streaming sites and implemented terribly as their own knock-offs).

[Anonymous No.]

>>47368828
Sure thing anon I'll just go notify disney amazon netflix and all the other streaming companies that their models are dead because it's all recorded programs and only live streaming matters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47369600
On Youtube you can literally do the exact same thing. My point is that practically no one ever, ever does that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367401
The en side don't like youtube. They like it for videos and some of them for archiving but they hate it for streaming. They were all on twitch long before vshojo was a thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47369348
>Virtual Kickers
>V-Kickers

[Anonymous No.]

>YouTube's poster boy has to create his own extension to make YouTube streams bearable to watch while YouTube streaming dev team has collective their thumbs in their ass.
https://truffle.vip/extension

[Anonymous No.]

>>47369585
>Meanwhile YT vods being privated, removed, DMCA'ed as well but also restricted in some countries which Twitch doesn't do
here's your dumbass of the week award

[Anonymous No.]

>>47369742
That's not a tag bro and what's that order about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47368960
wow i can't wait to be a 2-4k shitter like my favourite vtuber mori calliope!

[Anonymous No.]

>>47368752
>Twitch is fucking cancer through and through
>Just look at the kind of people using it
Yeah look at those poggers and lulers and kekers. Thank god we doesn't have it on YouTube.
>look at what chat looks like, look at the shit features
Yea I also hate being able to use channel emotes anywhere but only that one channel.
>bad membership stream system
Thank god poorfags can't see those memebership streams where vtubers are just e-girls that they are. Woooweeee.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47369826
lol nice scum

[Anonymous No.]

>>47369909
2k-4k still makes her set for life, you know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47369973
your post was kekers fr fr bro here take this pogchamp gold

[Anonymous No.]

>>47369973
>Yea I also hate being able to use channel emotes anywhere but only that one channel.
I hate other people being able to do that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47369973
>reads one chapter of Oshi no Ko

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367078
YouTube algo is easier to abuse and pool of viewers is bigger. How much of that actually converts to money is a different problem. If you can do unique streams that others can't really copy and are good with people skills then Twitch is probably better.

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>>47367152
That's wrong, but if you watch a 3 view you clicked a link for and leave it on for a few minutes, you'll get bombarded.

[Anonymous No.]

Probably biggest collection of retards I’ve ever seen. Best platform for vtubers is YouTube because of the 4 distinct ways to make money based on your subs, ad rev, members, and sc with 3 out of the 4 being possible passively even if you haven’t streamed in weeks.YouTube on the other hand has clips, shorts, and gura lots of ways to incline you rather fast. Gaining success is ‘easier’ on twitch because it’s incestuous. If you make it into upper 3 view you’re allowed to reach out to the whores then they’ll put you in touch with vshojo on the flip side they’ll reach out to you if you pass them in popularity. You’re probably going to have to fucks someone or send a nude

Twitch wins in helping you go from medium to ‘large’ for a vtuber in the shortest time but youtube wins in everything else

[Anonymous No.]

>>47369300
>You can't grow on Twitch without a lot of external back-up
The fuck you can't. There are far more indie vtubers on Twitch who have succeeded over the last year alone than YouTube.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47369475
>For the JP side, it's a different story but Japanese people don't really use Twitch.
Weirdly, while Japan only makes up like 1.9% of the Twitch audience, there ARE Japanese Twitch streamers that get 10k viewers or more on the platform, just not vtubers. For whatever reason, Japanese vtuber fans don't use Twitch, but quite a few gaming fans do.

[Anonymous No.]

While on the topic of youtube's shit discoverability.
That new shorts panel that fucking shows up next to the video your watching would've been perfect for other livestreams while your currently watching one.
That shorts section on the homepage could have been great for live videos too...

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367078
Youtube: Mostly Non-Indie.
Twitch: Mostly Indie.

Simple As

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367078
The actual answer is ___both

[Anonymous No.]

>>47370822
Fencesitter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47370323
>YouTube algo is easier to abuse
It's also easier to get blacklisted on, this is why literally nobody thinks the YT algorithm is anything but shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367078
The simple answer is
Make videos on youtube for reach
Stream twitch for money
Alternatively, sacrifice a bit of money and just stream youtube.
One thing that youtube does better is bitrate and Ad

[Anonymous No.]

>>47370865
It's better to sit on the fence than to choose from two terrible websites run by terrible people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47370865
Fence sitting would be me saying pussy shit like they both have merits and just to make your own choice, I am saying you're fucking retarded if you're not just multistreaming to both platforms for the most reach. Twitch has a thing where if you take a (shit) deal with them you aren't allowed to, but anyone with intelligence can just not take it.

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>>47370572
>Twitch wins in helping you go from medium to ‘large’ for a vtuber in the shortest time but youtube wins in everything else
Yeah but here's the best part: the other shit on YT is not closed off to you either. You can make videos, shorts, archive vods, and what have you and gain all the things you mentioned while doing your thing on Twitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367078
The real answer is to restream on both

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367078
Discoverability is way better on Twitch than Youtube, but the achilles heel to that are the ads. There's 30 seconds of baked in ads at the start of your stream, and 30 seconds of baked in ads periodically throughout your stream that you do not control nor do you get any money from them. They just happen. Twitch are actively spending money to circumvent your adblocks. That's why no adblocks actually work on the platform.
Twitch though is much more lax when it comes to (some) rules. Mainly copyright, if you play copyrighted music all that happens is they mute that segment of your stream. On Youtube they'll just take down the video or take down your channel because its easier. Even if you were to own the license to the music it wouldn't make a difference on YT, they'll still take it down. I forget which vtuber made their own single and it was claimed by the algorithm.
Speaking of, the algorithm is constantly changing with what it demonetizes people for. Some have actually gotten demonetized just for saying 9/11; others for showing pictures of the twin towers; and we all know the new guidelines that say you cant swear for the first 10 minutes of stream.
Twitch doesn't have an algorithm that runs their website, its just a bunch of code monkeys that sit there and jerk off to Amouranth streams all day. These same code monkeys actually used to help people and work with them on ideas for streams, but they discontinued that pretty quick.
Of course it's hard to watch Amouranth when the vod system is so shit. What's that, you want to see the moment she took off the towel? well she's only been live for 3 hours now, just turn on the vod from the beginning and skip ahead until you find it. Highlights? You mean clips? What's a timestamp? look, its been going for 3 hours, you have to refresh the stream until she finally goes off the air to catch up if you're watching the vod. And of course watch it all within 30 days because after that it's gone for good.
With Youtube you can create highlights and timestamp them in the comments, you can segment your video into parts, Twitch I think just now is getting into highlights, but no timestamps and of course no comments.
One thing I will give Youtube is they have a great archive system. Many of the big Twitch streamers use it for their past streams. The only real downside is again the algorithm which can change on a whim and yes can strike any of your past vods at any time and just outright remove them.
When it comes to interaction though, i would say Twitch is way better. Each streamer gets their own emotes, some of them can even be just for following them, there's also BTTV and FFZ for even more emotes, and they can be used in every channel. There's also the bits system where you pay Twitch to pay the streamer in artificial currency which grants even more fucking emotes to use plus tiered badges for those extra special paypigs.
Thankfully though, you don't have to use bits, you can just donate to them regularly through streamelements or whatever and Twitch doesn't take a cut unlike Youtube with superchats. Both also have the gifted subs thing which is another way and that's fine, only real difference is again the badges next to someone's name for those extra special paypigs.
Quite possibly the biggest difference though in supporting a streamer is Twitch Prime which is really convenient imo. If you have Amazon Prime you can hook it up to Twitch and you get a free subscription to whomever each month. Doesn't renew automatically so if you change your mind and want to switch to someone else you can. Plus there's free games from Amazon which are usually pretty trash, though I did get Blasphemous once. You can also switch it to other accounts so if you don't like having a vtuber read the name "fagballs" you can switch it to your other account "ballsfag" once your sub runs out.
To my knowledge Youtube doesn't have something like this. Giving you a free membership to spend each month though if you sub to Youtube Red or TV or whatever its called would be an interesting strategy on their part though.
In the end, neither are great. You just have to pick the lesser of two evils. Twitch can be great for discoverability and Youtube can be great for archiving. Twitch can be great for karaoke streams and Youtube can be great for quality which I don't think I covered, with Twitch you don't get quality options automatically, that comes with being a partner. Your viewers will have the choice of 1080p or nothing on Twitch until you become Partner.
>yeah but I got them once and I'm not a partner
if you aren't partner, quality options are just given out by roulette so consider yourself lucky. With Youtube you can pick whatever, obviously, up to 4k which Twitch does not support and your video will be compressed for their convenience no matter what, even if you're running on 4k equipment.
To conclude: do whatever, just don't stream on both. That's gonna skew your audience.

[Anonymous No.]

This guy >>47367152 sounds like a retard, but most vtuber fan's oshis are on youtube, ergo they spend the most time on youtube, so there are more eyes for vtubers on youtube. That's the logical argument.
The anecdotal argument is that I have had more 0-1 views recommended on youtube than I have ever witnessed on twitch despite watching several 1-2 views who raid 1-2 views. I have witnessed two 2views hit 3 lately, and it was one on either platform.
Twitch is still probably more comfortable and less empty/alone in the desert FEELING to stream on, but youtube will probably be better for anybody who is serious about growth (willing to make highlights/shorts).

[Anonymous No.]

>>47371731
i ain't reading that shit

[Anonymous No.]

Cover and Anycolor both left Twitch completely wide open for anybody to come in and capture mindshare, and yet years on, the scene is still utterly anemic with less than a handful even breaking 5K CCV on a platform much more lax with its metrics. That really just says it all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47371731
>That's why no adblocks actually work on the platform.
My adblock works just fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47369585
You stupid shit. rumao

[Anonymous No.]

>>47372557
I'm sorry you have the attention span of a 1st grader.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47370935
Proof next thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47368219
Ayo look there’s Grimmi. Fuckin love Grimmi

[Anonymous No.]

>>47371731
wrong

[Anonymous No.]

Youtube is obviously better
I get 1-2 views recommended all the time so discoverability is better, the only thing that is worse is that raiding on youtube can be detrimental for your channel (if you get raided) since if the views bleed off quickly then the algorithm fucks you
Your VODs, videos, music videos etc are in one place and yout VODs will continue to make you money
You get isolated from twitch culture which is a huge plus since twitch culture makes non-twitch users run for the hills
Higher cut from supas and memberships
Waiting rooms are a huge plus, premieres too
Community posts are a huge plus
Oh and if you want to be a real ASMR vtuber then youtube is mandatory
Oh and it is easier to skirt the rules on youtube whereas on Twitch it is easy to get banned if you talk sexually to your audience using code words

The only thing Twitch has going for it if you are a twitch goblin and you are really extroverted so you can network like a motherfucker so you get raids out of the wazoo

[Anonymous No.]

Youtube better for corpo.
Twitch better for indie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367078
>Which platform is better for vtubers?
are you retarded ? Youtube has no competition

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367401
jumping platforms would get their ass diced by hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367078
JP vtubers should just stick to youtube. They get barely any traction on twitch, especially indies are smaller corpo ones.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367078
Isn't Bilibili great for indies?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367401
I thought Twitch also still employs an exclusivity contract with its "partners". Basically you can post content wherever you want, but you can only stream on Twitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47371731
Twitch Prime is a giant money hole for Amazon that’ll probably get shitcanned at some point as there’s more focus on trying to make Twitch profitable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47371731
Wow, all that text just to say that you actually have no idea what you are talking about

[Anonymous No.]

>>47376140
>make Twitch profitable
no wonder he's bald

[Anonymous No.]

>>47375116
Twitch is really just burger country. Everything about it is made to cater only to burgernoids. Can't expect a JP audience from eops territory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367078
twitch has the entrenched, almost captive, audience while youtube is better for actually streaming and keeping a channel with content. Youtube's back end and analytics blows twitch's out of the fucking water

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367152
Honestly if you make other content on top of streaming then yeah, this is true.

[Anonymous No.]

The only thing twitch does better than youtube is chat from a technical perspective, with like delay and it not eating a ridiculous amount of processing power.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367078
Facebook

[Anonymous No.]

Youtube's search is criminally shit.
Not only the functions, but recently having to be very specific with how you write your request.
When I go looking for videos that gey screenshotted here, lets say
>Mumei says something quirky again
if I write
>Mumei quirky
It finds me all sorts of other videos, some not having keywords even in it, and I am not talking about the "other videos people watched" section that gets mixed in.
No, I have to type out the whole tittle to find the video

[Anonymous No.]

>open twitch stream
>30 second ad
>close twitch stream
What a platform

[Anonymous No.]

twitch:
>video quality is better
>nonexistent chat/stream delay
>animated emotes are pretty nice
>horrible ads that you need specialized extensions to block
>less whitespace on the site layout
>better overview of what your followed channels are doing
>annoying people spamming their browser extension emotes that have nothing to do with the current stream
>you will be banned by idiot site admins

youtube:
>vod system is infinitely better than twitch's
>way bigger userbase
>fewer weirdos in chat
>videos, music, shorts, vods and streams all on the same site
>more permissive with music and boobers
>rewinding the current stream
>memory leaking chat
>you will be banned by idiot AI

[Anonymous No.]

>>47369204
This. I was watching anime videos and listening to Japanese music for years and never got recommended anything vtuber related until I manually searched for Mori Calliope after finding her music on Spotify.
The Youtube algorithm actively buries vtubers and will only show them to you if you actively search for them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47370822
Based

[Anonymous No.]

>>47371731
>That's why no adblocks actually work on the platform.
Open wide. I am going to spoonfeed you.

Firefox install video - https://streamable.com/nmu7ut
Chrome install video - https://streamable.com/97hskp
Github links - https://github.com/pixeltris/TwitchAdSolutions

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367620
Youtube hardly recommend streams if you're not subscribed to that channel already, the only way for a streamer to get recommended is making videos/shorts.

[Anonymous No.]

Susan banned my country from purchasing services
Bezos added two payment options specifically for me
Fuck Youtube

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367078
Twitch because it inflates your numbers, and thus your ego as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367078
The only reason this even is a conversation is because of Vshojo who are twitch subsidised. YouTube is better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47383667
clueless.
Most small vtubers around holoMyth debut were in youtube and even the most reticent ones ended up switching to twitch. Youtube only works if you have a huge channel and a court of clippers to game the algos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47376140
Not to get all up in your /biz/ness but the only profitable part of Amazon is AWS. Everything else is a loss leader they keep going with to achieve ultimate market domination.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367078
>Vtuber
>Literally Virtual Youtuber
It shouldn't be a debate, but when EOP ruined this activity they added Twitch into the mix.

[Anonymous No.]

>Twitch
Is there still demand for this platform?
I thought it was long dead, having lost market share to Tiktok.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47370602
and they mostly got big by youtube clip compilations, not through twitch. It is an age old wisdom that even for twitch streamers, youtube is essential for growth. Youtube streamers on the other hand don't have any dependency on twitch to get big.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47377396
Twitch does not show all chats.
Ever wonder why your chats are not reflected in the stream mirror?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47370602
>the last year
This year is 2023, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367078
Chaturbate

[Anonymous No.]

I consider Twitch to be the same as NND.
Streamers advertise for free on Twitch in order to develop their business on Youtube.

[Anonymous No.]

Twitch's biggest flaw is that it's operated by people who behave like a high school clique. Youtube fucks over its users all the time but in a predictable corporate way. If Youtube fixes its livestream browsing directories and chat performance it leaves Twitch with basically no advantages.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47385159
I've had that happen with youtube too, so

[Anonymous No.]

>>47367078
Youtube is fucking garbage. It's so fucking stupid how so many vtubers have to upload static content to Youtube to direct new fans to their livestreams to Twitch. It's so stupid a tiny extra % partnership on Twitch is worth more than streaming on the huge ass platform that's youtube.
Only HoloNijishit thrives there. The algorithm literally suppresses anyone outside these two circles, and shills Hololive on any vtuber harder than their very own gen mates.
To Youtube:
Vtuber = recommend Hololive
Any corpo = recommend Hololive
Hololive = don't recommend anyone else

Hololive basically has the whole platform for themselves, most subbed, most watched, highest earners and all from doing the same shit every vtuber does

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>>47367078
vTuber grifter? Twitch.
vTuber but real? Youtube

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>>47367078
Filian said that Twitch is a small pond for vtubers

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>>47386773
Ogey Vshitshow cuck.

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>>47385834
Just because you didn’t have friends in high school doesn’t mean streamers are bad people for making cliques

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>>47386773
>Youtube and Tiktok are so popular that twitch people must promote there.
With Twitch sinking, why would a streamer who hasn't yet succeeded bother choosing Twitch?

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7 months ago, a Vtuber's roommate abandoned Youtube and launched a Twitch channel.
But she clearly admitted that it was a mistake.
She didn't make it clear, but Twitch seems like the worst option for a side job.

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>>47387059
Rent free

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It's Virtual YouTuber not Virtual Twitcher.

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>>47387931
V+Twitch=Vitch

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>>47369826
Sugoi, an extension to make youtube streams like three times worse!

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>>47367078
Twitch of course, it quarantines all the shitty EN chuubas on itself leaving Youtube to the good ones

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>>47370602
Where is this proof show me a 2:1 comparison with twitch leading in success stories vs youtube in 2022. The must have no connection to YouTube or external back up

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>>47369826
Why do today's geezers prefer a UI like the classic Japanese products?

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>>47379422
That's true with most things on YouTube. If you give the algorithm any hint on what you might like, it will recommend it to you non-stop even if you just clicked on something by accident.

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>wah wah I can't find live streams on YouTube
Are Twitch users just retarded?

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>>47388688
>the power of vtubers on twitch
>a quarter of the top-viewed 'vtubers' here aren't even vtubers

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I don't think Twitch has discoverable.
Like Amazon's recommended, it just randomly displays channels that share a fanbase.

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>>47371019
Most Twitch streamers aren't willing to put that much effort lol. Just look at Vshitshow, they barely make YouTube videos anymore. 99% of Twitch streamers just want to put in the absolute bare minimum and make millions for it.

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>>47389889
they rightfully think that their shorts aren’t interesting enough
that’s why barely anyone copied filian

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>>47369348
that's why this board should have been NAMES /vs/ instead

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>>47390912
named*

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>>47367078
depends on what language you speak, what type of content you're planning to do, how often you plan to stream etc.
you want to stream valorant for 6 hours every day? twitch
you want to stream obscure indie games twice a week? youtube
It's also much harder to start from 0 on twitch

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youtube

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>>47367078
YouTube

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>>47391003
>It's also much harder to start from 0 on twitch
the absolute, utter oposite actually. Mostly because of raids and being able to order by views. Youtube has raids now but noone, ever, raids youtube 2views.

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>>47367078
Kick.com because no vtubers are in there so clearly it is the only way to get attention

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>>47368287
They only work if the raided person has your channel allowed

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>>47389431
You're logged in, vtuber watcher. Youtube buries vtubers from anyone not already watching tubers.

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>>47395083
and who's gonna raid a channel with 0 viewers? there are thousands of those.
I'm talking about literally 0 viewers, 5-10 viewers is already some foundation. You just have to have some connections on twitch or presence on other platforms

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>>47395653
>doesn't have 10 google accounts
lol
lmao

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>>47367078
youtube, no contest, and I hate it because youtube also sucks
if you like twitch you shouldn't be here. the whole streaming culture is different on twitch, I don't consider them vtubers

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>>47395653
>if you watch vtubers you get recommended vtubers
no shit retard, why would you want vtubers to be recommended to the people who don't watch vtubers? Twitch doing that is the reason why western vtubing is so shit now, the hobby is filled with normalfags

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>>47389431
This is how my YT live tab looks as well. However, I have to actively and aggressively hit "Not Interested" on a ton of other random ass live content to get it that way. Despite 80% of my YT subs being various vtubers.

On Twitch, I watch 1 vtuber regularly, and follow 2 total. Yet there are random vtubers in my recommended streams tab constantly. Big names and literal who's. The vast majority of my Twitch content consumption is non-vtuber.

Seems pretty clear where the discoverability is better.

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>>47396440
It took me 5 minutes to get the algorithm to correctly fit to my interests.

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>>47395653
I never get recommended new vtubers on YT, its always either past streams of ones I'm already subbed to or completely irrelevant garbage
>Ame just finished karaoke I bet you'd like the weather in minneapolis from 5 years ago and passages from the quran or maybe this vid about a gated community in california opening soon
at least with twitch you can just search stream tags and they'll recommend channels below followed ones
I usually end up finding out about youtube indies from the catalog of all places

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>>47396551
Sounds like a you problem.

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>>47396150
>Twitch doing that is the reason why western vtubing is so shit now, the hobby is filled with normalfags
HololiveEN actually broke into the mainstream with Gura and was featured on a popular magazine btw. I'm sure you know what that means. Also, are you saying that youtube, a platform that has the utmost monopoly over the entire video streaming market and has way more users has lesser normiefags than twitch? You good brother?

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>>47367078
Twitch is fucking trash.

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>>47396703
western vtubing was already shit when holoEN debuted

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>>47368273
>not signed in
Youtube only recommends basic bitch channels to people who aren't logged in. The safest most popular shit.

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>>47389431
>Moron posts on account with personalized recommendations
I can even tell you're a shitter who's blocked all Nijisanji channels aside Pomu

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Twitch is just a nepotistic circlejerk. If you don't literally suck someone's dick you're never going to break through.

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>>47377371
This right here. A lot of people are ignoring the power videos and shorts have on Youtube growth. Youtube is a video platform at heart, so the algo will boost you if you have more to offer than just streams. Just look at how well shorts can do for some vtubers in getting more eyes on them.l

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>>47395653
No it doesn't. I never watched vtubers back in the day and at some point youtube out of nowhere started constantly shilling Hololive clips to me.
Now at this point it keeps shilling 2 view vsingers to me.

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>>47396853
are you retarded? personalized recommendations are good

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>>47396853
What's wrong with that? I'd rather get a personalized selection than have to dig through all the slop of what's currently "popular."

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>>47396853
>b-b-but muh niji
lmao, every time

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>>47397082
liking the popular thing is the only "personality" twitchfags have

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>>47395083
I streamed for my first time on yt and got raided by a 60 view.

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I hope FalseEyed gets reported for infringement on other content creators works. He did not ask for permission to showcase my video in his broadcast. Also noncredited me too. Fucker.