Who's more to blame?

[Anonymous No.]

>The vtuber who(don't bullshit us) is exploiting men for their money by pretending to be a significant other?
>The men who have been ostracized by society/women for their entire lives to the point where they can't tell the difference between a woman pretending to like them for money and someone who actually cares about them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47553128
Both.
Next question

[Anonymous No.]

>>47553128
You need to take a walk or something. Every part of this post reeks of "I haven't seen the sun in months"

[Anonymous No.]

You are paying a woman on the internet, that is pathetic no matter what plane of existence she is at.

[Anonymous No.]

Both. whoever complains that they are getting cucked because the idol has a partner is a complete retard who deserves the rope, at the same time, if you pander to mentally ill faggots for their money and they discover you have been plowing some dude and laughing at them don't be surprised one of those is gonna try and fucking rape/kill you, unironically you get what you fucking deserve in both cases.

[Anonymous No.]

vtubing was good when it wasn't about squeezing losers of every last penny by doing lazy game stream content

[Anonymous No.]

I'M NOT GONNA WATCH THIS SHIT ANIME TRANNYGGER

[Anonymous No.]

>>47553283
I miss Kizuna AI...

[Anonymous No.]

>>47553283
Based. Niji ruined everything

[Anonymous No.]

>>47553128
Obviously the whore. Manipulating people who are weak and vulnerable so you can take what you want from them is the worst type of crime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47553128
it's an excange of goods, both parties know what they are getting into, nobody here is in the wrong except third party onlookers who like to brown nose in other's business

[Anonymous No.]

>>47553128
If you believe a random whore on the internet is your significant other then you deserve it for being a retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>47553361
you know you can just skip to the good part at the end when she gets killed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47553452
But people this weak and vulnerable should also never be allowed to live in this planet. We didn't evolve to become betas

[Anonymous No.]

I'm tired of seeing this faggot anime on the board, it's shit and I hope everyone that worked on it gets raped

[Anonymous No.]

>>47553128
? if the woman is not 'bullshitting' then neither.
they provide a dearly needed product and are delivering it by the rules. the trade between these two are consensual. the man is lacking in companionship, not coherent consensual thought.

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>>47553503
Agreed, and if the bitch gets killed for being a liar to her mentally ill audience she deserves it 100% too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47553223
So you think a woman deserves getting stalked and killed if she just streams video games? You guys are fucked in the head. These guys are adults and should know better than that. Obviously she isn't their gf.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47553128
The retards who fall for them obviously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47553128
are you still triggered? its not even a new thing. anime has often depicted anime nerds as kimootas/creepy nerds since the 80s. manga has more often and shitted on kimootas as socially awkward creepos frequently.

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>>47553128
Idols with boyfriends is basically the same as a sexy guy going to Special Needs class and picking up the hottest brain-damaged chick who is just barely intelligent enough to clean herself.

One side is retarded and helpless, the other side is exploitative and evil.

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>>47553128
Me when I put point A (bad) in a bad light and only say its bad qualities so you have to agree with me that it's bad and point B (undoubtedly good) in a good and charitable light so you have to agree either me if you aren't a heartless monster that it's good
The day you retards understand nuance hell will freeze, might I remind you about how in most cases the girls that to GFE not only see it as acting, work, fanservice, and don't target it for absolute deranged schizos that unironically fall for them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47553656
no video game streamers are idols

[Anonymous No.]

The problem is the people getting exploited don't actually want the exploitation to stop because they still get stuff they enjoy out of it
They just want the women to be better at keeping the act up
But broadcasting that you're banging some dude apparently has a powerful allure that not even thousands and thousands of dollars can suppress

[Anonymous No.]

>>47553581
in Detroit by pack of balck dogs?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47553884
Nah just black guys

[Anonymous No.]

>>47553656
Lol fuck yes they deserve it. The MEN are the victims. The woman knows that the men are at their lowest and most vulnerable point and they use that as a weapon to get money out if them. That's criminal. It's similar to a guy in his 30s targeting a troubled girl in her early teens. He knows he can get the girl to do anything he wants by exploiting her at her weakest. It's called being a predator and it's sickening.

[Anonymous No.]

Nobody cares about you anon. That's just the cold, hard and honest truth. Vtubers sell you a lie, a neat little package where this cute anime girl loves you unconditionally without needing any effort from you (other than your money). It's a distraction from your own sad and miserable life.

Don't take these distractions too seriously.You thinking this is some sort of social issue rather than emotional prostitution is the same thing as you falling in love with a stripper and then complaining about how she strips for other guys. It's nonsensical.

Just enjoy it and don't take it too seriously.

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>>47553128
Imagine needing women to emotionally correct you

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>>47553770
I don't think that having a boyfriend inherently makes an idol, even one who trades on their charm and sexual appeal, evil. Someone brought up the hypothetical of an idol who secretly has disdain for their fans and talks shit on them privately and I think that's worthy of condemnation but I don't expect the girl who wears an anime avatar and streams video games to be married to the chat. She's playing a character, like someone said, providing a service, and I think holding out the facade of intimacy like that's not the case is what's really fucked up

The fact that the service is necessary is also a pretty terrible thing but there have always been prostitutes

[Anonymous No.]

>>47553128
Stop being a pathetic simp maybe

[Anonymous No.]

>>47553452
weak and vulnerable should get a one way train ticket

[Anonymous No.]

>>47553178
fpbp

[Anonymous No.]

I blame the system

[Anonymous No.]

>>47553128
Get gud, you are only to be blame

[Anonymous No.]

>>47553957
Retard, nobody is forcing them to watch or donate. They can just walk away. Get a fucking life instead of pretending to be outraged about some bs on the internet. If you are genuinely this schizo then seek help

[Anonymous No.]

>>47553452
You didn't know? They are men, so it's okay to treat them like this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47553128
The ones courting psychos

[Anonymous No.]

>>47553128
>>47553128
LMAO
>Unicucks give money and time to vtubers
>Also Unicucks, ITS YOUR FAULT!

You're not a fucking little kid. You're a grown man that can make his own decisions. Or should be able to. Take some responsibility for your life you pathetic loser.

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>>47553983
That so many people "need" emotional prostitution or are drawn so heavily to it definitely is a social issue, I think.
It's not something that I hold the man or the woman particularly responsible for and it's not a hating women thing because there are plenty of women who do the same thing with male tubers. But it indicates that many, many people can't find emotional fulfillment and that they're lonely and their lives suck and so they get hooked on the methadone of a cute anime girl chatting with the camera.

I like some vtubers it's why I come here but the investment that lonely people develop in online personalities and the fact that vtubing is designed, specifically, to cultivate that investment, is bad.

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>>47553128
Yes

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>>47554183
This has the same energy as "the domestic violence victim can walk away anytime they want to! What's the problem?"

[Anonymous No.]

we went through the exact same thing with Needy Streamer Overload, and now it's our anthem for the 4cc
do we really have to do it again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47554183
If you're such an untethered, authonomous individual then your opinion on the topic is of no value to anyone but yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>47554329
this analogy is only an indication of addiction, anon seek immediate help or else you might as well rot away

[Anonymous No.]

>>47554273
The issue is these men can't take responsibility for their actions because they are in an unimaginable amount of pain and loneliness. It's the responsibility of the rational agent(the woman with a normal life) to not see the suffering and pain as an opportunity for a fucking pay day. Just because you CAN take money from someone by lying to them doesn't mean you SHOULD. Fucking loser.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47554292
Just be autistic and dont crave the puss to make you happy

[Anonymous No.]

>>47554183
>>47554273
You're literally admitting these people are unhealthy and weakened, but it's of course totally okay to build a business around exploiting them!

[Anonymous No.]

>>47554442
Addiction is a social problem a lot of the time so yeah literally
The kind of person we're discussing is unable to develop social contacts either because he doesn't know how.

>>47554488
Expecting individuals to be moral actors is folly. You have to build a more moral society.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47554442
"Yeah I ripped off that tourist for his money but he should've known better! I didn't force him to pay I just lied to him a little bit. He could away anytime he wants."

[Anonymous No.]

>>47554541
>>47554329
anons watch this please
https://youtu.be/R-q86QYl5Bw

[Anonymous No.]

>>47554488
>It's not the raging alcoholics fault he ran someone over and killed someone!

Fuck off retard. You're responsible for getting help. The first step to help is admitting you have a problem. And lmao at your painful loneliness, sometimes karma really does work I guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>47554672
What kind of help is available for a person like this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47554672
I guess it's ok for me to go to the psyche ward and convince those people to give me their life savings. Lmao stupid dumbasses should learn and better and get help. It's their fault for being so stupid. Who cares if I lied to them just a little bit and pretended to be their only friend in the world? They are adults and should know better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47553178
>>47553283
Based.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47554586
turists dont devote their emotional well being onto the shoulders of some child in a sparkly dress
>>47554570
be more emotionally and spiritually mature
and dont let others prey on you

[Anonymous No.]

>>47554672
Yeah, it's the addict's responsibility to not overdose, which is why we never arrest drug dealers

[Anonymous No.]

>he’s actually in love with the streamer
KYS YOU FUCKING LOSER. Maybe if you left the fucking house you’d have some bitches on your dick and wouldn’t be depressed over an anime girl

[Anonymous No.]

>>47554707
CBT therapy. Talk therapy, meetups, etc. Yes the cruel irony is that it's hard to make friends if you have none, and society is harsh on these people, so I can level with you on that. But blaming vtubers is a level of stupidity that's unheard of. I can't stand people that blame other people for their shortcomings and make no effort themselves. It's like asking me to feel sorry for the fucking affluenza teen

[Anonymous No.]

>>47554707
make friends

[Anonymous No.]

>>47554824
>be more emotionally and spiritually mature
I'm not interested in hearing that from someone who wants to champion a deeply antisocial and individualistic mindset that does nothing to help ameliorate social concerns.
>and dont let others prey on you
I don't.

>>47554902
Fair enough, I agree. I don't blame vtubers but I do think vtubing-as-social-substitute and certain other trends do indicate a deep social malaise. I'd like to see more done to help these people and ideally to stop more of them from being created.

>>47554903
Rough proposition anon. Especially if you've never had friends before.

[Anonymous No.]

JUST WATCH E-BITCHES FOR FREE NIGGA

[Anonymous No.]

>>47554856
Nice strawman except that Vtubing is supposed to be entertaining while drugs are and always has been illegal. Or what vtubers should've illegal? How fucking stupid is that. I guess sending machines should be illegal because fat fucks die from shaking them and having the machine fall on them. We should make everything illegal and all wear retard helmets like you!

[Anonymous No.]

>>47555038
if you have problem with addiction for vtubers, you are not making progress by being is this board

[Anonymous No.]

>>47553128
Lies should always be exposed a career build upon lies shouldn't exist BUT no one deserves to be killed over something like this, Shamed? Sure but death no no

[Anonymous No.]

>>47555161
I have no such problem but I think it's clear that certain people do.
>>47555093
Fast food and cheap goyslop should certainly be banned. I'd agree that banning vtubing is a stupid idea and not a solution but the implicit argument that banning things is bad or ineffective is also stupid.

What's your solution, anon? A real societal solution, not "stop having a problem."

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>>47553656
nigga, READ
>PANDERING TO MENTALLY ILL FAGGOTS
please go back to school anon, my god.

[Anonymous No.]

I think if you're doing GFE while having a partner is pretty disgusting thing to do but some fans will probably be led on by even things that aren't meant romantically like the person saying they love their fans.

It's not an easy thing to control, Well like Ai said....lies are love.....

[Anonymous No.]

>>47553770
Though that one side is not as retarded and helpless and the other side is not as malevelont, reminder that one side is also villainized by a third party.
Any rational person can sympathise with people who are clearly suffering.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47553128
>a woman pretending to like them for money
it's not always or only for money
it's for subs and popularity as well
and also for fishing compliments, love words, etc. sometimes girls get lonely too and want chat to say something uplifting

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>>47555093
I see that you are incapable of any form of abstract or analytical thinking based on an example or a metaphor so I'll dumb it down for you. A drug dealer exploits people who are vulnerable(drug addicts) for money by offering them drugs. It's easy to get users to buy drugs if they are in a bad emotional or mental state by offering them a way to feel good (drugs) and ignore their problems(could be anything traumatic). The drug dealer gets rich off of others misfortune.

He's saying A vtuber is the same because they exploit people who are vulnerable(lonely men) for money by offering them love. It's easy to get men on the hook if they are in a bad emotional or mental state by offering them a way to feel good (fake gf) and ignore their problems (unimaginable loneliness and despair). The vtuber gets rich off of others misfortune.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47555269
I'm not sure. As I said, I agree it's a social issue and from a rational standpoint it will blow up in our faces if we do nothing about it but point and laugh. But you have to admit, or at least for me, it is really hard to want to help these people, at least the ones that are especially unlikeable. Perhaps you're amuch more empathic person than I.

I guess I would say that men have to be recognized as a group that has their own challenges. Mental health and therapy should be more encouraged. Programs for lonely people should be looked as as a way to combat an epidemic and not just a meetup group etc

[Anonymous No.]

>>47553597
Yeah that's true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47555583
Except for the big fat assumption that vtubers audience are only unicucks and not that the unicucks is simply a byproduct of a vtubers job. The loons that think Tom cruise is talking to them through the screen are not he reason why top gun was made. Vtubing is for fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47553128
Honestly I'm just impressed that people can give streamers so much of their money. This means that in a lot of cases, a streamer was so entertaining or meaningful to someone that they felt compelled to donate money to them. That's kind of incredible, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>47554605
Wow
This inspired me.

[Anonymous No.]

Even doe it's quite normal and that's why a ton of vtubers have gfe stuff. I'm pretty sure most guys alive are lonely

[Anonymous No.]

>>47554329
I don't know if this is bait but scamming the mentally ill has predictable results. Ai's decision to continue being a 'pure idol' instead of going into JAV after getting knocked up lead to unfortunate results for everyone.

>>47553178
No. The mentally ill who have been fucked over are blameless and need a leg up to get a stable job and friend circle at their local Jewish temple. The woman who feels entitled to money enough to lie is objectively at fault.

Get help.

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>>47555836
you post on this site, incels ooze out of every containment board they are locked in, and you think that men cannot be so low and desparate in life that they hold onto any small light they can grasp as a lifeline?
maybe you can't emphasize how they feel. unlikely if you are in this site.

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>>47555809
Tom Cruise isn't actively talking to the fans and pretending to be their boyfriend in top gun so it's a poor comparison imo. If he did pretend to be a boyfriend for his fans then it would be the same result.

[Anonymous No.]

>i see oshit no ko thread
>i push the three dots button
simple as

[Anonymous No.]

>>47556063
sorry sister, which meaning of incel you're referring to? you invented 100 of them already, please elaborate.

[Anonymous No.]

I wish this faggot Aka never ever met the cumsoiled feminist menhera mengo, Oshi no Ko fucking REEKS of mengo writing style of garbage men interacting with entitled whores, anyone that has read Neo Dutch Wife should know you shouldn't like anything Mengo touches ever. They are both seething so much at each gender they literally made the 2 main characters of this show as of now a teenager whore and a cuck doctor. What I hate even more will be motherfuckers like OP who thinks there is a correlation whatsoever between this show and Hololive, spoiler, there is none. Psychopathic fans exist everywhere, do you think John Lennon was an Idol before getting shot ? plz fuck off somewhere else and Mengo should stop seething about why people do not like her creating whores on each and every manga.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47556508
holy seethe

[Anonymous No.]

>>47554000
MAN CANNOT REMAKE HIMSELF WITHOUT SUFFERING

FOR HE IS BOTH THE MARBLE AND THE SCULPTOR

[Anonymous No.]

>>47556278
hm. in case you misunderstood, the locus of empathy were said incels. in our context literally what the word should mean, men who are extremely lonely.

[Anonymous No.]

>Don't donate a single penny to them
>Get unlimited access to cute girls doing cute stuff
It's a win-win for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>47556632
Mengo's entire existence has been seething, she dropped out of high school because either she was the class bicycle or the biggest femcel in history.

[Anonymous No.]

We need to criminalize thottery and charge these whores with wire fraud. Either that or force them to be a girlfriend for all of their fans for a week.