/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Why do you guys always see a vtuber having any kind of interaction with a male as some sort of adulterous cuckholdry?

I'm not trying to start shit, I'm genuinely curious. Even ignoring the Calli shit, I've seen some of you cry betrayal over a vtuber literally just saying "hi" to a male on twitter. What goes on in your head that of yours? What thought process leads to such leaps in logic? Especially over people you have no real personal relationship with.

[Anonymous No.]

People watch vtubers because they want to fuck them
If you watch male vtubers you are gay
Therefore if you watch female vtubers interact with another male aside from you you are a cuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>4768941
>Based on Idol Culture
>Ledditors complain about Idol Culture
Guess the memes dead boys. Pack it up.

[Anonymous No.]

Normiefag gtfo

[Anonymous No.]

>>4769035
Hololive is based on idol culture. Other vtubers are simply general entertainers. Nijisanji was doing male/female collabs while Hololive was in diapers you wannabe oldfag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4768941
Jealousy

[Anonymous No.]

>>4769035
Most of Hololive has denounced Idol culture by this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4768988
This

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>4769321
>RPGs
>Card games
>Board games
>Computers in general
Every fucking time

[Anonymous No.]

>>4769321
What's the "negative change" when male/female collabs have been happening for years now?

[Anonymous No.]

The reason why there are so many shitters today is because a US senator went to Taiwan. Chinks are sperging across the world right now.

Death to China b

[Anonymous No.]

>>4768941
> Especially over people you have no real personal relationship with.
...You just won't understand.

[Anonymous No.]

The boys on this board are scared of Men. It's pretty cute how much they shake when a Man is brought up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4769360
The negative change was actually when holos such as Miko stopped collabing with males

[Anonymous No.]

>>4769411
Kys

[Anonymous No.]

i just wanna watch cute anime girls doing cute things bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>4769321
It's too funny that Hololive fans accuse others of being cultural invaders when it's actually their fanbase that led to a huge influx of unicorns and imposed standards on other vtubers - no sex jokes, no collabing with men, no "yabs" - Holobronies enforce their new rules onto the established norm.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4768941
>I'm not trying to start shit

Too late nigger, 25 years too late

[Anonymous No.]

>>4769321
You realise you holofag EOPs are the invaders who diluted the medium roght?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4769318
They're all professional idols straight down to the gachikoi pandering and the subunit work in lives.

Having them "break seiso" and do risque stuff is an old as dirt trick already prevalent in the flesh and bone idol industry which you all still fall for every single time. It's intended to trick you into believing they're breaking character and being "authentic".

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>>4769408
He's completely right you know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4768941
Because those who make such a big deal out of it are men or women who haven't been in a relationship in a long time or none at all.

[Anonymous No.]

Most of the popular Holo girls in 2020 started to treat vtubing like a family friendly version of onlyfans. Now we're cursed with unicorns who want to fuck the 3DPD behind the avatar

[Anonymous No.]

>>4769560
incredibly based

[Anonymous No.]

>>4769560
>no sex jokes, no collabing with men, no "yabs"
I don't know what you mean by yabs given the quote marks, but sex jokes and male collabs aren't forbidden in Hololive. I know, because unlike you, I actually watch Holos stream and some of them actually make such jokes from time to time. That they have to make innuendo and double entendres to deliver some of the sex jokes just makes them better enterers overall. There is a limit on how low you can go before you come off as "gross" or "overplayed" with those.

If you want to do GFE/BFE shit in any industry, you should understand that the people involved will expect "exclusivity". The ones that do and don't are treated according to how they go about it. The worst thing that you can do is try to go for both because all it does is cultivate different, conflicting types of fans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4769610
don't hurt me like this anon, i never wanted the red pill

[Anonymous No.]

>>4768941
i would enjoy male-female vtuber collabs
fuck collabs with 3dfags tho (unless it's the inevitable max0r and watame collab)

[Anonymous No.]

>>4771647
so why don't you watch some?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4768988
but anon
you can't fuck an anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>4771785
not with that attitude

[Anonymous No.]

>>4771660
i enjoy foxdemon, matsurikka is kinda boring to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>4768941
x male vtuber
v male e-cele

[Anonymous No.]

>>4769318
Hololive has it’s own culture, which is based on idol culture. Most girls keep it very family friendly, at least majority of the time, they partake in idol activities and they, for the most part, stick to the Hololive bubble, only interacting with girls publicly or even only with each other. The further back you go you find people who thread the line of the bubble, because there weren’t enough members and Hololive wasn’t big enough, like Matsuri, Fubuki and Aki.

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>>4771521
I'm not saying they're not "allowed" to do these things in Hololive, I'm saying what's considered acceptable in the vtubing industry as a whole has been totally subverted thanks to Hololive's influence and the fan's expectations as a result. While Holos are "allowed" to collab with men and make dirty jokes, it is frowned upon to make it a habit or to be too explicit. The Holos weren't allowed to collab with the Stars initially after their inception, either, so to act as if it's totally free reign and up to the talents is incorrect as well. Nowadays management is more lenient, but Matsuri went as far as to say that she used to get scolded for banging on her desk as that's not the image the company wanted to portray at the time. What you find gross and overplayed is common fare in other vtuber groups and your standards of acceptability have been warped by the image your idols wish to portray. What Utako does on the regular would get her called a "Vshojo whore" on this board, and thanks to the "GFE" Hololive popularized vtubers that rebuke it like Hisui get dislike bombed on the regular. Not to mention the fact that newfags regularly conflate vtubers with being idols in general. The amount that Hololive has warped the vtubing industry as a whole cannot be overstated enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4769288
Sora debuted before Mito you newfag. Siro sent people over to Sora's stream before Nijisanji was even a gleem in your whore mother's eye.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4772250
>Hololive exerting the kind of influence that Nijisanji could only dream of
Kinda based and VERY poweful
Utako is no better than Vshojo by the way and you are a hypocrite if you state otherwise

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>>4772487
Oh please, Sora wasn't Hololive back then, she was just another Kizuna Ai wannabe. Hololive didn't lean into the idol shtick until sankisei regardless, which is what this is really about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4772582
>Subverting a hobby's norms is okay when WE do it
Of course.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4772695
Unironically yes, idolchads always win. We saved Vtubers from just becoming twitch streamers with an anime avatar with is the direction Nijisanji was taking it. You should be thanking us.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4773031
>We did it Reddit

[Anonymous No.]

>>4772487
People never gave a fuck about sora and they still don't, she's lucky to receive pity subs from people who act like she's some hololive goddess despite never watching her shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>4772487
Everyone hated blue eyes sora and complained about the idol route

[Anonymous No.]

>>4773031
all you did was inhibit them, look at how sad nene is, she can't play the funny penis dice game

[Anonymous No.]

>>4768941
I don't but I like to pretend I do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4768941
Ruins my GFE

[Anonymous No.]

>>4772250
I don't pretend to know what's going on the JP side but since EN doesn't really have a GFE vtuber yet apart from maybe a few indies (which comes with its own set of problems) I think a lot of the overall anxiety is understandable, since the opposite could happen -- EN doesn't get idols, EN doesn't get GFE.
I don't think what some people are doing with regards to trying to harass anyone is an effective way to get it, though, but also that's definitely the whole idea as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4772250
Funny how that's the same audience that act like they hate idol culture despite expecting all of that and when someone gets the boot for breaking the guidelines they love so much they have to cope creating some mystical nijisanji anti that somehow got their oshi fired

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>>4773620
What the hell are you talking about? Who got fired in Nijisanji for not "conforming to guidelines"? What do you even mean by guidelines? Nijisanji never pandered to unicorns, so I don't know how you can think a girl in a gen introduced after Hololive's massive popularity spike getting dislike bombed for refusing to pander to unicorns has nothing to do with GFE becoming the expected route a female vtuber should take thanks to Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4773713
In hololive you autist, there's no shitstorms when a niji graduates

[Anonymous No.]

>>4773823
Sorry for my spergout, your phrasing was vague. People tried to make something of Gibara graduating but of course there was nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4768941
Because >we are grape-kun and vtubers our hululu

[Anonymous No.]

>>4773175
That sounds like a (You) problem, buddy

[Anonymous No.]

>>4773620
the only person who got the boot for breaking guidelines is Hitomi Chris, if you're referring to anyone else, you're a newfag who didn't do their reps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4773620
>>4773823
>things that never happened
There's only been two "graduations" in Hololive; one was fired for literal ethics breaches (Hitomi Chris), the other got doxxed and harassed to the point of quitting (Mano Aloe).

[Anonymous No.]

>>4774062
HoloCN...

[Anonymous No.]

I don't think it'd be a problem if the men they brought on were genuinely fun and entertaining. Usually they aren't though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4774092
Didn't exist. We don't talk about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4768941
Please don't use AI for your shitposts. She's a good girl

[Anonymous No.]

>>4768941
because autismo

[Anonymous No.]

>>4768988
the truth

[Anonymous No.]

>>4768941
>vtuber
Pffftt.. anon..anon.. it's a tale as old as time when an idol of any forms (e-celebs, actress, singers, models, hell even athletes) interact with any male entity of lesser status would be frown upon.
Dont tunnel visioned too hard and look all around you. It's the same everywhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4769360
2D males, not 3D ironic weebs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4774054
>>4774062
Thanks for proving my point

[Anonymous No.]

personally i don't mind male x female vtubers collab, what i don't like is these vtubers did collabs with 3D human, both male and female 3D i don't care. it's simply the "virtual" feeling kinda gone when they did collabs with 3D humans, these "virtual" feeling is what makes them different than normal youtuber, which is their main selling point as well. anything that are inside the virtual world need to stay inside the virtual world

[Anonymous No.]

>>4768941
>Especially over people you have no real personal relationship with.
Uhm, excuse me?
I'll have you know that I'm actually in a loving marriage with my oshi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4774553
>girl literally has sex in exchange for favors
>shit gets so bad the company could be legally liable
>gets fired when found out
>"Th-thanks for proving my point"
You're fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4774579
They've been on TV and featured with VA's, Game creators and more. The "virtual world" has been gone for years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4769321
holobronies are the invaders, what the fuck are you talking about? you faggots try to make everyone else in this hobby live up to your standard whether it be indies or other corporate vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4768941
Some people really wish they were Japanese otaku.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4774147
By your standards, not a good girl in the slightest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYfu-tOoSKw

but by mine she's fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>4773140

[Anonymous No.]

>>4774453
Fair enough

[Anonymous No.]

>>4768941
Welcome to /vt/, the incel board.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4768941
>IT'S BECAUSE IT'S A MALE REEEEEEE
Way to spin the situation you braindead paramecium. Nobody gives a shit about male collabs. People give a shit because it's a fucking Western E-celeb and an anituber. No honestly, go take 5 minutes of research on the levels of trash you are dealing with, it's borderline breadtuber turf. No really keep up the idiotic narrative that its because they are male and not because they are ironic weeb American politics garbage

[Anonymous No.]

It's literally just the holos. Even the stars get a lot of female collabs, Robel had a straight live ERP with Kuku and didn't get any shit for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4776382
I remember Rikka congratulating Suisei that one time, and then fans both here and Nips went apeshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4776343
tranny
>>4776382
this

[Anonymous No.]

>interacts with (You) (and everyone else)
My wife! Based
>liked a simple tweet from a male other than you
DISLOYAL WHORE!!!
Sasuga incelcucks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4776541
Or that time a male from (I think) Niji praised her skills at Tetris and got harassed until he deleted the tweet or when Watame interacted with Kaoru once and her fans threw a fit until she broke down and apologized for it or when Kanata received some hate from some of her fans over her mentioning Holostars when she was explaining her new project in spite of her inmediatly saying that she would never talk about them on said project.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4775594
I've been watching since Kizuna's debut, it all went downhill early 2017. As you said, it's game over once the western neckbeards (you) start pouring in, then the poser weebs, then finally the children.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4775594
Not only are Holobronies invaders, but they point to vtubers, even western vtubers, who've been vtubing since before the Holobronies even started watching anyone but Kizuna Ai. They point to these longtime western vtubers and call them cloutchasing bandwagoning thots, because they don't act "like a vtuber should".

[Anonymous No.]

>>4769321
>movies
>videogames
>comics
>pretty much all entertainment media in general
But hey at least Vtubing isn't political, YET

[Anonymous No.]

>>4776799
The Watame thing was pretty overblown as most people didn't care, and she didn't apologize for anything. She straight out said she doesn't think there is anything wrong with greeting coworkers like a normal person.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4774529
fuck off new fag. the anime man and kizuna ai had collabed all the way back in 2017

[Anonymous No.]

>>4769321
The irony is that /vt/ is not part of the original first group.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4768941
don't think about it too much newfag-san.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4776382
>breadtuber
A bakery youtuber sounds pretty based to me
In fact chuubas collabing with cooking channels would be kino

[Anonymous No.]

>>4768941
horny EOP secondaries who only got into vtubers due to jerking off to holoshit porn are the only ones who feel this way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4768941
truth is I have no problem with it, but I love the drama from stoking the flames

[Anonymous No.]

>>4768941
VTubers are escapism, I don't want to see 3DPD roastie behavior, there's plenty of that IRL and every other corner of the internet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4768941
>All vtubers are Hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>4783236
Only the ones that matter

[Anonymous No.]

>>4777379
Sadly yes, /vt/ is the very state if the circle, the normies fags. O the irony

[Anonymous No.]

>>4769321
Good, you niggers can fuck off with your retarded chink behavior of harassing anyone who goes against "muh idol culture"

[Anonymous No.]

>>4777339
That can't be right since VTubing wasn't invented until 2020

[Anonymous No.]

>>4783236

no.
but soon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4768941
>reddit spacing
Tourist comes here to admit they can't tell difference from real and bait posts

[Anonymous No.]

>>4786791
>hitting the enter key once is reddit spacing
ogey

[Anonymous No.]

>>4771785
YET

[Anonymous No.]

>>4769321
The irony of a Holonigger posting this, you people are the cunts invading and demanding change to the established formula

[Anonymous No.]

I'm sad and alone and 3D women unironically disgust me so i became obsessed with the cute perfect girls who do funny streams because it's like i have a hint of a love life, when a man enters the picture i am terrified because the immersion is broken and i'm back to being sad and alone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4769560
>>4772250
>>4775594
Based and thruthpilled.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4790176
please kys

[Anonymous No.]

>>4769321
whore loving cucks redditors seething about this
based chamaposter

[Anonymous No.]

>>4793969

[Anonymous No.]

>>4793969
Typical cultural invader mentality, all of the original hobby fans who disapprove of the change are deplorables and need to be driven away.

[Anonymous No.]

Oyabun was never afraid of collabing with males of all kinds. How the unicorns have destroyed this medium.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4768941
Idols fags that's why, they put mountains of sexual and romantic expectations onto strangers.
And I hate them cause I came in here cause I liked how sincere they were and how since they're behind a anonymous/being avatar they can get away with all the shit a real idol can't and gave me hope to see some one live the dream of being a funny entertainer without sacrificing their entire life...

[Anonymous No.]

>>4795014
I like your sloth gif

[Anonymous No.]

>>4769321
fixed

[Anonymous No.]

>>4795965
BASED

[Anonymous No.]

Idolfags and goslingfags are the most sad pieces of shit in the entire concept of liking nerd stuff. Every time you feel bad about yourself say to yourself "at least im not an Idolfag/goslingfag" and your feel better right away. They exist only to be made fun of.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4795965
Man, I remember when they were poised to be the big five...times certainly do change huh

[Anonymous No.]

>>4796232
imo their content started stagnating even before the big boom, wich i always found weird given most of them worked with pre-recorded stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4795965
yep, I'm saving this

[Anonymous No.]

>>4796313
Unfortunate but true. It probably didn't help that they were trying to get a foothold as the lets player boom was ending but before the streamer boom started to kick off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4768988
Fpbp

[Anonymous No.]

>>4768941
We don’t, it’s falseflaggers. We just hate the members of a certain podcast, this podcast has connections to Vshojo so we hate them too. That’s literally it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4782809
that’s lurkers in a nutshell
chaos is a blessing and a curse

[Anonymous No.]

>>4795965
>NO U
Powerful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4796232
Eh, they're permanently written in the VTuber history books as Oyabun and the Four Heavenly Kings, so they're free to do whatever now, which is what they've done.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4768941
why are you making assumptions redditfag
I don't care at all

[Anonymous No.]

>>4768941
Are people still denying vtubing resolves around seducing to make people donate?
Morning streams mostly consist on personal talk that would receive a strict NO in any other entertainment industry, flirt and giggles are the bread on all events. Think on why a male, a stranger on top, would watch a random girl doing idle talk. Think on why a hostess would use an inciting tone when reading SC, rather than giving a simple energetic thanks to a bunch of them. If the hostess engages in such practice, then is normal to attract those whom develop one sides feeling. And is a fact that these girls are fully aware yet continue engaging on it instead of having a serious talk with fans.

Reap what you sow, it applies fully here, if vtubers didn’t pose as pure girls then mixed collaborations would pass without hurdles. Also don’t kid yourself, even those at Nijisanji keep the flirt act partially or you would rarely see red SC, money that makes no sense for a healthy male to toss away. A tip is normal, a fat donation in a common event is not.

[Anonymous No.]

I wanna watch cute girls doing cute things
Not men who are esports drop outs and failed comedians. Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.]

It's weird because people claim it's idol culture but even idol culture isn't this obsessive. No idol fan drops their oshi because she was on a talk show with a male host.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4797758
When you put it that way, it just sounds like getting personally angry that a stripper is pole dancing for other johns when she's done with you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4797856
That’s basically what is happening, like it or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4772250
All of this is incredibly based, though. Thots SHOULD be patrolled. The kind of person who has the un-fucking-believable gall to be getting paid 6+ figures to play videogames on their own schedule and STILL demand more needs to be rooted out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4797809
The people who claim it's idol culture have never watched idols and know jack shit about idol culture beyond surface level memes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4797182
>We
>We
>we

[Anonymous No.]

>>4768988
dubs is correct

[Anonymous No.]

>>4797479
It's only a "no u" if you're a unicorn. Are you a unicorn, anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4797809
It's literally simp culture. We have this even in the west with those dumb GFE e-thots that thought that people would keep watching them if they revealed they have boyfriends after treating chat like they were the personification of a boyfriend. Sure enough, a lot of them found out the hard way that showing your tits prominently enough on screen only drew thirsty ass niggas that would fuck off as soon as the idea of them having boyfriends crossed their minds. Don't pretend that you're an entertaining person if you have rely largely on your body to the heavy-lifting for viewer retention; you're just an e-thot. Own it and stick to it... to the end.

Know what you want to be on stream unless you want to be sorely disappointed with the end results.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4798078
If you want an illusion of purity so badly stick with your company that provides it and don't force it on unwilling participants.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4768941
Its a meme you fucking redditfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>4769321
>You and the original group get called "bigots" and elitists for disagreeing with the negative change
so what you're saying is that Hololive shifting to appeal to unicorns because of popularity was a mistake and that we need to go back to the old days when the girls were free to do what they wanted without pandering to what's popular

[Anonymous No.]

>>4797809
It's not idol culture but it's sure as fuck unicorn culture, and guess who unicorns watch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4799003
>and guess who unicorns watch
Twitch thots. They watch twitch thots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4799056
Lol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4769411
Were you the creepy one in high school?

[Anonymous No.]

>>4795965
based and truthpilled

[Anonymous No.]

>>4799202
That's more than likely a femanon (or some really gay ass man) from the way that they comment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4799246
bromosexual

[Anonymous No.]

>>4776541
It's also a tradition on 5ch to make a post every time Naruse and Suisei interact on Twitter to the cheers of あんスタの絆は強いな from the people actually watching Suisei with one guy ritualistically asking how come Suisei still has unicorns. Pic very much related.

>>4776799
Kaida Haru was unironically harassed by fans of other Nijis, as is tradition. He was at the time fairly new and obscure vtuber, mostly known for being too aggressive and rude while hunting for collabs with his senpais. (Which is fucking retarded because easy access to collabs is half the reason of joining a box like Nijisanji. But I guess retardation is needed to become an anti in the first place.) Haru did neither at nor tag Suisei on his post which indeed only praised Suisei's Tetris skills and didn't mention any collab. Yet somehow him wanting a collab with Suisei became the nerdstorm in a teacup of the day, which should tip you that it probably wasn't some Hoshiyomi randomly patrolling his Twitter who fanned up the flames. Doubly so when Suisei has collabed with males both before and after with little to no spergouts (pic literally from one such thread).I have no doubt there were some Hoshiyomi involved, after all numbers are needed for a proper harrasment campaign, and Suisei had blown up just recently and was still in process of tardwrangling thousands of clueless newfags. But the point remains, it wouldn't have happened without his pre-existing hatebase at Niji.

>>4798092
It really is extremely hilarious how both the anti-idol and pro-idol camp on this board so very obviously lack any and all knowledge about the thing they have so strong opinions about. I fucking love reading these threads.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4797809
idol culture actually does get this bad though. Go ask the granblue gen about the love live collab

[Anonymous No.]

>>4795965
I got into vtubers with Hololive in late 2019 but I've recently realized that Nijisanji is much better and that I hate how Hololive's ridiculous restrictions have warped their fans to the point where they attack other vtubers for not being Hololive. I'm sorry that I was part of the problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4801992
Well, I don't think it's actually a problem with Hololive itself. It's just the fans. Hololive can have their restrictions, it's just shitty that it's' fans expect to impose those restrictions on other vtubers outside of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4801992
I don't particularly watch enough of non-Holos besides WACTOR, so I am honestly curious who has been affected by the Hololive style of idol chuuba entertainment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4797856
Which is why favoritism will draw criticisms for said stripper if her target platform is for a mass audience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4802207
In general, off-color jokes, male/female collabs and non-vtuber collabs are all much more controversial thing than they used to be pre-Hololive. Whether a vtuber does "gfe" or not is a hotly debated topic when that wasn't even in the vernacular beforehand. Vtubers are expected to be more of "role models" thanks to the idol association and whenever a controversy flares up it hits twice as hard. The fish got flamed on this board hard for making 1 (one) fart joke. Overall there is an image now that you are either an "idol" or you are a "Twitch whore" with no inbetween. Keeping things safe, clean and apolitical is expected now more than ever when vtubers in the past weren't afraid to push the envelope of what was allowed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>4802461
that sounds retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>4802866
Much of this is was born mostly from the rise Hololive internationally and the excessively long time the organization was allowed to dominate the discourse around VTubers unimpeded/uncontested. I mean, how long was it before Nijisanji decided to give the west a serious shot? Almost a year? Even though we didn't have ENs a year ago, you could tell Hololive made quick moves to at least tried to pander to the west (whether by management or chuuba intent).

It doesn't help that Hololive itself wasn't without controversy all the way until recently, whether it was because antis trying to bring down the company for people that they hate being part of the roster, overzealous zhangs with superiority complexes and political hateboners or unicorns/idolfags blowing their gaskets whenever got "too close" to a member of the opposite sex publicly. A company like that will work harder to keep from making things unnecessarily hard for themselves, so controlling some of the things that their chuubas did was to be expected, and having free reign for so long allowed them to set the tone for what being a VTuber mean in the west and to some extent in the east.

The only way that this will change is if the industry gets a number two agency that's not as excessive as VShojo without being as uptight as Hololive in the west. Remember that English is the lingua franca, so whatever comes of the industry, it will be because western influence will demand it be so. Right now, the people in the market seem to only care about Hololive and VShojo is second by default, but the fanbase doesn't necessarily jive with their type of humor. It's not as if western sensibilities are instantly welcoming to toilet humor either, so coming in hot with that as your intro was... well... you know. Adults tend to look down on it as kiddie shit for immature/juvenile folk.

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>>4803887
>It's not as if western sensibilities are instantly welcoming to toilet humor either
It's one thing to see it as unfunny and juvenile. It was. It's another thing entirely to see it as a transgression that'd ruin western vtubing as a whole. The fact that people earnestly reacted to such an extent over a fart joke just shows how sheltered the western vtuber audience is and how anything mildly off-color is deemed as a "yab". But yes, nothing will change until competition presents itself. It won't stop me from kvetching about how about the current state of affairs surrounding vtubing though.

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>>4804174
You best hope that Nijisanji and some of the non VShojo agencies are in it for the long haul on the EN/ES market, because they're in for a long grind. At least Wactor was yet to censor Hina Misora, who actually curses, makes lewd jokes and generally gets away with things that would make Coco (and other EN chuubas) go on "break".

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>>4804174
I have to preface this in that I like Hololive and am fine with them, but due to NijiEN being shiny and new, and drawing in a lot of people who haven't watched Nijisanji before, there were a lot of knee jerk reactions to things NijiEN talked about, calling it yabai when it's the most vanilla shit.

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>>4798913
What the hell am I looking at

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>>4768941
its not because theyre male though, people had exactly the same reaction to nyanners and vshojo collaborations

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>>4802866
>>4803887
Does any of the reflect the viewpoint of the general VTuber audience or is this just analysis of the schizo vocal minority that exist in dark corners like this board?

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>>4804870
It really is the general sentiment of the VTuber industry in general, not through a fault of their own either. The problem is one of a catch 22 where, if there is no demand there is no service and if there is no service there is no demand. Since Hololive is what is currently synonymous with VTubers outside of the 18+ community, until someone takes the alternative dominant position Hololive will continue to cement the idea that chuubas = idols and will accept the way things are and adapt or reject it and not watch chuubas at all.

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This is the dumbest non-controversy ever. Ai, Siro, and Deron had collabs with VShojo. Did that made them e-thots overnight? Absolutely nothing changed. And if you still can't get over it, there are enough VTubers out there for every kind of interest, go take your viewership somewhere else. You don't have to like Mori, Gundou, or any particular VTuber whose content you disagree with. Just don't ruin it for the people who do like them.

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>>4805333
As long as you're in Hololive, people will have expectations about you, no matter how much you think it's unfair. These expectation are at the bedrock at why Hololive is immensely popular in the span of 3 years

Also those people didn't cause controversy because no one cares about Kizuna Ai nowadays besides corporations

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Idol culture is great.
I don't know if people base their entire understanding of the scene off of AKB48, Sakamichi, Morning Musu, or Idolmaster alone but there's way more to it than just the top groups.
t. alt-idol autist

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>>4768988
Poe's law in action

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>>4805448
So 1 member collabed with an "outsider" and 1 expressed interest and all of a sudden the entire company is ruined? Is the expectation for Hololive literally just "copy & paste" every personality to pander to a single group? Everyone is free to vote with their viewership and wallet but they cannot dictate what type of content the streamer makes. Even if you don't like it, there are others who do.

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>>4805448
Nobody gave a fuck when Ai collabed with the Anime Man at the height of her popularity either. Purityfags are just deranged.

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>>4768941
"Idols" is fake reason people are pulling out to justify it. Earliest Holo chuubas are more consciously idol-modeled and they interacted with males more openly. Anyone who told you the reason is "idol culture" is lying their ass off full stop.

The reason is basically that Hololive professionalizes GFE and its fandom wallows deep in it, far deeper than many of its talents and the company itself had anticipated. This started in 3rd gen and you can see how successful it is - so the model is copied by generations down. "Idol culture" my ass - the 3rd gen is also the gen that blatantly "subverted" idol aesthetics to a greater extent than the preceding gens.

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>>4768941
It’s 4chan. Nothing but lonely neckbeards here who have never seen a woman in real life except for their mum. Therefore when they see two people of the opposite gender interact, they think they’re automatically fucking, even when they’re in different countries.

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Vote so we see where thoughts lie.
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>>4773175
Anon, your oshi will never notice you. Stop deluding yourself, if you disappeared from chat she wouldn’t notice

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>>4774579
Your meds, anon

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>>4805700
It's not all of a sudden. But one day you will wake up and realize how the hobby you loved is just entirely different from how it was when you startdd. Hololive is at the border of this, all of the actions of the first generation set the tone for future generations. The harder you make it for it to be acceptable for ecelebs to be normal collab material, the less likely it will be in the future. HoloEN has caused a boon in western vtubers, they are quite literally setting precedents.

Also for the record I don't care about male collabs but these awful no brain choice of collabs that only makes sense "business-wise", no one kicked up a fuss about K's and Rikka besides some shitposters, I would argue most people kneeled with Rikka's concert because of how quality it was. People are very afraid of western sensibilities, attention whores, and clout chasers from coming in and ruining all of this, which is a very good reason to me. Also stop saying these restrictions are that oppressive, it's fucking pathetic that people have some bare minimum standards and you wanna bitch and wine that we're collaring them even though they are on the fast track to becoming millionaires (if they aren't already), they can literally quit and do anything they want but they don't quit. Why? Because the job is that fucking good.

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>>4806155
>Swimsuit streams banned
>NKODICE banned
>Majority of ASMR now limited to mengen only
>Matsuri scolded by management for hitting her desk
>Asacoco banned
>Coco banned from collabing with EN for months
>Haachama's schizo lore banned until she convinces management to let her continue them somehow
>Collabs with e-celebs banned (soon)
>Gura terrified to swear
>Mentions of loli or shota becoming increasingly less over the past year, Choco fretting about the kaigainiki audience after she mentions shota on stream
>"S-stop saying these restrictions are that oppressive!"
You can enjoy these restrictions all you want, nobody's stopping you, but Hololive is a neutered shadow of it's former self. There's a very good reason people dislike the idol angle being pushed onto vtubers outside of it.

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>>4806852
>There's a very good reason people dislike the idol angle being pushed onto vtubers outside of it.
It's not the idol angle that's messing with this, but the fact that VTubers became mainstream in the west period.

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>>4806852
This. I was never an idolfag and started following Hololive after the Azur Lane collab. It used to be running joke that they were killing Yagoo dreams and I loved it. I didn't join a choir bitching about the forceed changes to cater to idolfags, I jumped ship to Niji, Animare, and VSPO.

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>>4805879
>the 3rd gen is also the gen that blatantly "subverted" idol aesthetics to a greater extent than the preceding gens.
What do you mean with subverting exactly?
t. newfag trying to do his reps.

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>>4805333
Blame it on Hololive for accepting such supporters. And if you still can't get over it, there are enough VTubers out there for every kind of interest, go take your viewership somewhere else. Just don't ruin it for the people who do like them.

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>>4806852
Not him, but don’t blame Idol culture for everything. The restrictions are shitty, but if anything, the majority are there to make it family-friendly for advertisers and the Twitter crowd

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>>4805552
People who criticizes idol culture can't even name a group, their whole vision is based on the vague notion of dating ban and the members having to be perfect little girls

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>>4806852
Actual idols are absurdly more free than the hololive livers

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>>4806852
Your point makes no sense, most of those things you listed are the fault of YouTube faggotry, outright lies, and deliberate misframings. They could do those before because they flew under the radar, now they're too big and can't. Fans either compromised or left in regards to this, and will still argue about them today.

Despite all this yes, these girls enjoy a massive amount of freedom and success they are in the 99.99th percentile of humanity, and what fans expect them to do is literally nothing in comparison to real jobs, actual idols, and your soul being sucked dry by record labels milking every cent out of you. If you don't like it, don't go into Hololive. And if you wanna make it as an indie, be prepared to be the maverick and roll your dice.

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>>4807534
This is probably the most brain dead take I've ever seen. Congratulations

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>>4805879
Hololive wasn't even branded an idol agency until around mid to late 2018, which was after Sora got her new idol-themed model and 2nd gen debuted. Since Gamers was originally intended to be separate from the idol-focused gens, third gen was the first gen to debut under the new brand. Hololive Idol Project was also announced in that time frame too after 3rd gen. I agree that you can't blame "idol culture" as a whole, but for whatever reason, hololive definitely attracted the worst of the worst of idol fans that are typically shunned in other idol fandoms.

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>>4807578
Believe what you want but for streamers that don't even have a public life on display they're severely neutered

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>>4807534
> nijinigger's projection

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>>4807542
>Your point makes no sense, most of those things you listed are the fault of YouTube faggotry
YouTube faggotry that Nijisanji members can bypass, apparently.
>outright lies, and deliberate misframings
Please, feel free to name them.
>what fans expect them to do is literally nothing in comparison to real jobs, actual idols, and your soul being sucked dry by record labels milking every cent out of you
Yes, things could be worse. They could also be better. I'm not saying the Hololive talents are victims by any means. They did sign up for this, as you said. But to frame Cover as an unrestrictive company is to ignore it's history in it's entirety.

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>>4807687
Try following some actual idols to see how the industry really is instead of excusing cover for their bullshit GFE pandering while pretending the reason is some boogeyman idol standard

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>>4807619
real life successful idols
>have to be "on" 99% of their public life as everything they do will be scrutinized, have to have on a super restrictive diet, micromanaged out the ass, careful not get raped and stalked by an obsessive fan, or fall prey to a predatory agency, enjoy a pittance of compensation and small time popularity in trade

Hololive milquetoast idols
>uhh don't do asmr because YouTube might ban you and I guess you can take a vacation for three weeks
>literally can eat whatever they want do whatever they want be wherever they want they're only obligated to stream three times a week and even then you can just say I need to take a break
>they can literally have this career for the rest of their life if they want to like many other content creators
>matuli has even said that out of company dating is completely allowed and there's no actual rule against it
>immense compensation, international recognition (although small relative to actual celebrities)

Noel, Mori, and Coco still do content that they want they just don't fucking do it with the Hololive platform, so what the fuck are you on about?

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>>4807762
They can bypass it because most of Nijisanji is not even in the English language. YouTube rules are applied somewhat differently by location/language and the userbase. Hololive has HUGE attention from the west compared to Niji, so they will be scrutinized by western standards/moderation more often.

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>>4808067
Oh wow I'm shocked that streamers with 2d avatars are not held to the same rules about their appearance as real life idols, too bad no one was mentioning that as the restrictions they have for being holos

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>>4808134
You fags will just keep making excuses, the EN branch already proved they're just as free as the JP branch, this is either some stockholm shit about how cover can't do no wrong or your actually the audience they pander too and are blind to the problems

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>>4808229
That's literally the reason, dude. As a person that speaks Spanish, I see a bunch of shit that passes in Spanish that would get BTFO'd by YouTube just for being in the English language.

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>>4808162
>>4807534

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>>4808292
>>4808067

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>>4808134
Even taking that as a fact it doesn't stop the fact that these restrictions are in place and that they are unique to Hololive. The "why" is irrelevant, they still exist as restrictions and so I will name them as such. Besides, Nijisanji gets hit with copyright retardation and bans all the time, like Amamiya's 3D was taken down after it initially streamed just a week or so ago. You know what they did in response? Waited a day and it was back up. Hololive isn't willing to take risks like that.

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>>4808320
Not him, just pointing out. Don't have interest in arguing right now.

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>>4808286
Not even the biggest channels know for sure how YouTube works, but most of the time this is just about algorithm shit and monetization, it doesn't justify a vtuber group forbidding a bunch of stuff that other group does without problems

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>>4768941
>Why do you guys always see a vtuber having any kind of interaction with a male as some sort of adulterous cuckholdry?
She didn't ask me first.

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>>4796232
I miss Luna every day.
I know about her other channel, but it's not the same.

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>>4808515
Based

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>>4797479
This is a case where the "no u" is correct. Half the shit 2020 holofags call their hobby being "ruined" has been normal from the start, and them then acting like they have any right to complain about it is laughable.

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>>4769560
wait since when the horse fuckers managed to get here lol

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>>4801992
If all you did was like Hololive that's fine. They're still fun even if they shouldn't be the industry standard. If you complained when non-holos didn't act like idols and stuff like that, well, can't change the past.

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People care because the only reason chuubas can make as much money as they do is playing pretend girlfriend for lonely virgins.
Of course they get pissed at being reminded how fake it all is.

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>>4806852
Why is nkodice banned? Hololive talents have said all of the bad words in that game before. YT bot only cares about English curse words.

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>>4795965
Absolutely based

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>>4801473
Yeah, acting like idol culture never gets that bad is ridiculous, but so does western celebrity worship frankly. The main problem is when anti-idol fags act like its unique for having psycho fans. Schizos will schizo, no matter what its directed at.

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>>4769318
Fuck off le seiso leddit memes.

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>>4808751
Newfagchama...

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>>4769321
True, should've gatekept GFEfags and unicorns from my wholesome idol group Hololive that happily coexist and interact with everyone in the vtuber community.

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>>4804452
A normal Vtuber collab in late 2019.

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>>4809196
sorry didn't do any reps

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>>4809078
Dunno, but management gave a collective no to all of the talents. Nene's pouting about it and Roberu did a stream where he LARPed as playing the game instead of actually playing it. I think "manko" might be a bit too vulgar for JP Holos (Amelia can get away with saying it since she's a gaijin).

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>>4768941
i don't though. in fact, i wish hologirls would collab more with holostars. they are very underrappreciated

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>>4809665
That would be nice, yeah.

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I wish all vtubers could collab with vtubers they want to collab with.

It's pretty damn sad that Matsuri can't collab with Yashiro or Chaika or whatever.

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>>4810525
Who said she can't? She's done so before, her audience should know what to expect from her.

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>>4810774
She got flamed for playing Apex with Pakael. Another Niji also got flamed on their side for praising Suisei. This isn't 2019 anymore, the two company can't freely collab without at least some preparation and anti-troll measures.

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>>4819079
>She got flamed for playing Apex with Pakael
And I know that Pakael isn't Niji, but it would probably be even worse if she had played with a Nijimale.

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I feel like people think Idols in Japan are treated like chaebol backed KPop idols or that it's still the early '10s or whatever.
Quit spouting nonsense about shit you don't know anything about, the stuff that AKB48 or their sister groups pull off is in the minority in the incredibly diverse idol scene and even they've toned the restrictions down.
It honestly sounds like your entire understanding of idolculture basically boils down to "dating ban, purityfags, act perfect"

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Okay, just cause I shit on the Holobronies for their retardation doesn't mean it's carte blanche for shit like vwhorejo and their sex sex poo poo pee pee xD westcuck humor.
Why the FUCK does it always have to be polarized extremes on here.

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>>4820895
But that's also how Miko feels about idol culture. Why not collab with guys? Because "I'm an idol, idols don't do that". Doesn't matter if Sora exists and talks to men, Miko's definition of an idol is one of absolute purity.

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>>4821346
Sounds like that's on her then. If Hololive was actually overbearing and draconian about the meme interpretation of idol culture as some people think they are then Cover would just blanket ban male collabs for everyone (even if irl idols don't even do that).
Miko probably just wants to avoid having men on her channel, or more likely wants to perpetuate the GFE since she knows what her audience wants and expecrs.
Hololive girls get way more fan interaction than irl idols do actually, it's more like they're virtual hostesses. And I don't know about you, but if I ever went to a Hostess club I wouldn't want mine to talk about her boyfriend or whatever either

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>>4796232
I miss based artist like you wouldn’t believe, those were simpler times

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>>4801222
>imagine actually knowing japanese and being on /vt/

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>>4805879
Can you really blame them?
Cover keep advertising Hololive as an Idol's(probably for business purpose), despite the realities Cover still trying to call them-self idol like when Nene talking about NKODice.

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>>4768941
>Adulterous cuckholdry
Opposite. I just want her to escape femceldom

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>>4768941
The audience is male. If there's a dude on the stream they effectively take the place of the audience because they are now the person interacting with the vtuber. Having collabs with men is incredibly risky because the audience will feel like a third wheel.
>but what about collabs between girls
Men don't instinctively view women as "competition". That is the difference.

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>>4795965
Nobody is forcing your favorite vshojo/nijisanji """"""talent""""""to stop telling poop and sex jokes or telling stories about sucking cocks, my guy

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>>4801473
>>4809127
I would argue of that because how Lovelive presented themself as "no male allowed" anime like Holo 3rd gen onward is, Idolm@sters and 3D Idol don't really went that far.
Infact the whole thing is much more prevalent in 2D culture.

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Posting the stuff that wouldn't sit well with current Hololive audiences
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXuqLjqxkFk

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>>4833524
I wonder how many chuubas Kanda has fucked since by the accounts of many other chuubas he's a gigachad irl.

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>>4768941
I don't care about most of this shit but I'm not big into listening to girls talk about who they've fucked, about their shit, or listening to some 3D dude or even worse, a westerner, in my streams. There's a vast scope between being disgusting and trying to be absolutely pure that neither side wants to acknowledge.

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>>4777108
>yet
>coco
hahahahahhhaaaa

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>>4832615
Hi butthurt Holofag, how're you dealing with Coco's graduation? :^)