Watch Kanata stream

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Holy numbers

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Coping stream

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>>4825766
Taiwan

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What did she just say about Holohouse?

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Woah, Kanata is very sad, this totally fits the fired narrative!

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>>4825993
0-2:38:40 [Kanata] Alot of people are wondering whats gonna happen with the house situation
0-2:38:53 [Kanata] but to be honest, this wasnt a topic that was really talked about
0-2:38:58 [Kanata] its not like we fought or anything
0-2:39:10 [Kanata] and she didnt say she was moving. and i didnt tell her to leave or anything either so
0-2:39:21 [Kanata] we will continue to live together.
0-2:39:27 [Kanata] Even after graduation

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Kanata deserves the views.

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>>4826026
time for your pills

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>>4826061
Thank you, anon

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>>4826026
>fired narrative
Fired would be HoloCN. Actually what was Twitter like when they were leaving?

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>>4826061
Thank goodness

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>>4826154
Learn abut sarcasm.

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0-2:43:15 [Kanata] The rest of the Hololive members knew from a little while back about the graduation
0-2:43:28 [Kanata] So our feelings have been properly dealt with
0-2:43:48 [Kanata] We still dont know what the future holds and theres definitely some doubtful thoughts that come up but
0-2:44:14 [Kanata] We all have the same idea of moving forward. Its sad still sure, but we're going to smile and move forward
0-2:44:34 [Kanata] I know you all just heard this so you cant probably have that positive outlook just yet but
0-2:45:02 [Kanata] We've been thinking of ways to make these last streams more memorable/have been thinking of how we can make the most of this last weeks we have

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>>4826061
I hope they marry.

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>>4825708
COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

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>>4826437
>0-2:43:15 [Kanata] The rest of the Hololive members knew from a little while back about the graduation
So I guess this confirms Watame's tweet about her building Coco in Minecraft to always have Coco's memory there

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I suppose today was reason why Coco was less lively during the collab.

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finna graduate from real life

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>>4826061
Hopefully Coco will make the occasional cameo in her streams. That is, if I keep watching hololive after this.

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Shion's depression might be more understandable now.

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>>4826625
All Coco made structures in minecraft will be destroyed/erased. It's so fucked.

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>>4825708
>only relevant when Coco's involved
Man, what a leech

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>>4826437
0-2:48:38 [Kanata] And dont worry about Coco's emotional support, I got this

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>>4826437
Maybe this is why some holos have been so depressed. The retarded onion probably felt it was her fault so she went into a depression.

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>>4825708
Kanata rn

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>>4826625
Yeah. You can see that they all tweeted simultaneously their messages to Coco. Fubuki has been known to just guerrilla stream her feelings about stuff when she's upset or spastically tweet about it.

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>>4826693
I’m pretty sure she addressed this saying that since they’re living together you might hear her in the background which will “be a problem” but it’s something she said she will deal with when it happens. I might be speaking out my ass though

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>>4826811
>believe in the Kanata that believes in you

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>>4826771
i love kanata so much

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>>4826437
>The rest of the Hololive members knew from a little while back about the graduation
meanwhile Kiara still trying to pretend like she didn't know lmao

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>>4826806
A lot of girls were down for some reason. They probably all knew and just had to deal with for weeks

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>>4826756
You sure about that?

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>>4825708
Just missed it, what did she do?

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>>4826922
sounds like holo en and holo id didn't know

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>>4826061
I'm so glad for this

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>>4826922
HoloEN probably didn't know

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>>4826954
Just explained what was going to be happening with Coco going forward, given that it's public knowledge they're housemates and IRL friends.

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>>4826811
>Kanata uses her divine connection to smite all of china.

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>>4826437
>The meme review was their way to have a last collab with Kaichou

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>>4826693
that would be a contract breach, I guess

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>>4826437
>>4826806
>>4826919
Fuck, chammers also started "getting lazy" at the same time
It all makes sense now

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>>4826954
You ever see the WoW dev who was a lawyer talk about WoW? Like he would make a speech and not actually say anything. That was the stream.

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>>4826919
Shion may have cancelled the meme review because she couldn't handle the emotion on top of already having her own antis making her miserable.

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>>4826625
Korone said a couple weeks back that something happened that made her consider quitting streaming altogether

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Kanata is inclining pretty hard, and I know Coco wants the best for her. Don't expect her to publicly saviorfag Coco or her new life, wherever it may be. Everything is going to be okay.

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>>4826771
Literally best girl. Coco's best girl forever.

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>>4826973
>>4827022
Considering cover put restrictions on her, but they were still able to communicate with coco, you don’t think they prevented her from telling the non-Jp members that she was graduating??

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>>4826756
Ogey

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>>4827108
Korone was way too hush hush. Maybe she has some reservations. The one who stinks like hell is FBK.

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>>4826922
would YOU tell chicken sensitive information? That woman can't keep a secret.

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So many of the other threads are so obviously being invaded by chinks right now. Calling kanata a sellout for easy bait. It's so sad to see. There might be nuggets of info around the board regarding the situation but I don't think I will be believing anything for the next few days knowing that chinks are actively infesting with their rrats here.

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>>4827201
FBK is just extremely professional. She even said on Holotalk that streaming is her method of coping with stress which is why she tends to do these guerilla streams during stressful situations.
Don't spread rrats about Friend.

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>>4827181
They talk. But we don't know if they are friends. We all know that Coco is close With HoloJP though

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>>4827251
meds

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>>4827207
Makes me wonder what Matsuri will say. We all know she doesn't give a shit about anything and openly talks about the company like a jaded lifer just waiting for her pension.

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>>4827112
She wasn't even supposed to stream. She basically just made this stream because so many people were wondering about her and how holohouse would be.

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So is she giving any explanation as to why COVER FUCKING POSTED IN CHINESE ANNOUNCING HER GRADUATION WHEN THEY NEVER ANNOUNCE IN CHINESE?

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>>4827201
>Korone deleted tweet about something sad
>Almost wanted to quit
>hush hush

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>>4826922
Where did this rrat spawn from now?

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>>4827337
ok chink. no one in their right mind should be creating rrats about kanata right now except chinks trying to cause more controversy.

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>>4826922
>Kiara still trying to pretend like she didn't know lmao
There's already a hint on Coco in HoloTalk

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>>4827372
I meant in that she went into zero detail.

Coco graduating kinda explains a lot to be honest.

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>>4827154
This actually has some pretty nasty implications if it was the case.

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>>4827348
What, link pls

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>>4827305
She famously cried like a baby when sasaki said she was graduating. Do you think she won't for Coco? She knew already. Had time to process it.

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I know now isnt the time to numberfag but during the brief 10 minute stream, Kanata had hit almost 200,000 live views while Youtube only displayed 77,000. Since it was such a short stream, the possibility of people tuning in and then leaving is highly unlikely, people tuned in to hear the update on Coco and stayed for the whole stream. Views added after the stream are not factored into this thesis.

The live viewership for this stream must've been somewhere around 150,000 viewers - 175,000 live viewers and it confirms the theory that Youtube is suppressing live viewership and the Holos are way, way, way more popular and are bigger viewership draws than people realize.

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>>4827348
They did it in traditional too, take your meds

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People claim this removed a huge load from Coco's shoulders, but what stops zhangs from raiding her roommate content?

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>>4827698
They already achieved their goal, why would they care?

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>>4827154
That must have been it. She said it was something incredibly sad but that the show must go on.

https://youtu.be/_nozZp5OQbI

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>>4827698

Nothing. Nor from raiding the other girls which they already do.

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>>4827788
They hate HoloEN. They are purityfags

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>>4827520
Doesn't Youtube hide views from people using adblock extensions?

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>>4827788
they already know they can get away with it, heck that they can actually win, so what's stopping them from doing this to all the girls?

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>>4827698
Nothing, but it directs them away from Hololive and Coco was definitely concerned at her collab partners being spammed. I also suspect that they'll lose interest now that she's no longer part of Hololive.

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>>4827928
Yes, I believe so. If Youtube didn't neuter itself by hiding viewership, the Hololive girls could realistically compete with the toppest of the top tier streamers on Twitch and make "Youtube streaming" more competitive with Twitch.

Beats me as to why they do things the way they do, Youtube has always made boneheaded decisions like getting rid of dislikes.

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>>4827520
yea this is normal, numbers fix themselves sooner or latter

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>>4828020
Nothing. If this is Cover's decision then they made a bad one.

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>>4826482
rrat: they're marrying that's why Coco's retiring

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>>4826693
Or better yet, have Kanata cameo in a kson stream

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>>4828020
That's true, Cover giving in to their demands is just gonna embolden them.
I don't think they'll spam her roommate's channel though, she's a nobody to them. These people aren't just nationalists they're obsessed with Hololive, and that obsession is what makes them feel so strongly about their insect feelings being infringed or whatever.

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>>4827788
The zhangs have already declared they will follow her to hell. The goal is complete annihilation. Just think of the zhangs as jihadists, same mentality.

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>>4828057
Youtube's decisions were always understandable because they were downright scummy, like getting rid of community subs so they can put a price on them, or getting rid of annotations because they're pandering to the mobile users, or taking away dislikes because of trending dislike bombs (either at them, at their partners, or whatever excuse they can muster up).

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>>4826693
Imagine caring about the brand and not the talents you shouldn't have watched them at all from the start

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>>4828162
No they are obsessed with her. Her roommate has always been spammed.

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>>4827154
didn't Marine say something along the lines of "after i stop being a vtuber" on a recent stream?

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>>4827788
They use national level debt to forcw a government to erase a 10 years old kid from resident hood, he can no longer goes to school and hospital. Beause of what? He said he love Taiwan on TV.
they won't quit until 9 generations of their victim die.

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>>4826437
>We've been thinking of ways to make these last streams more memorable/have been thinking of how we can make the most of this last weeks we have
We know she's here to check on the carnage, so Coco if you read this:
https://youtu.be/x88Z5txBc7w?t=76
You'll need to cover this song.

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>>4826756
that's bullshit and you know it. but now all of Coco's pixel art makes sudden sense.

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>>4827698
They do that already.

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>>4826693
dumbass

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>>4826061
>>4826771
Thank you, Kanata. Please look after her in the heaven.

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>>4828398
>didn't Marine say something along the lines of "after i stop being a vtuber" on a recent stream?

She did, then tried to suggest she was joking when the simps panicked.

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>>4827105
how would it be any different to anemachi though? if she's just suddenly heard without any visual reference or being brought up at all by her it should be A-ok

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>>4828594
So the giant Yagoo was Coco telling us not to hate Cover? She talked so much about how she loved Yagoo while building it.

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>>4826437
>The rest of the Hololive members knew from a little while back about the graduation
>the Shion cancel
They all played us like damn fiddles ALL OF THEM, collabing with Coco talking about Coco smiling and laughing in their streams but never once mentioning what was in the works behind the scenes at an earlier date than today
You really can't trust the lot of them.

How far back do you think they knew? Watame's 3D birthday? CocoxCalli? New Years? right after Taiwan?

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She's playing nkodice on her roommates account. The game Nene can't play. This is probably not the zhangs fault but she's clearly implying that she's in a restrictive environment. All of the issues that people are saying were all resolved since last year. We are already 6 months in 2021. She's always been a streamer that likes to bend the rules. She can't bend them anymore. She has recently took a break because she ran out of ideas. Let her be. This is good for her as a content creator. Her style doesn't fit the post2021 hollive anymore.

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>>4826834
The silent ones are jarring. Fucking Aqua, she's persona non grata to me.

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>>4826625
Wait...this isn't why Calli got depressed and took an early break from streaming, right?

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>>4828952
But doesn't he make decisions? She loves him even though he fired her? Is he being held hostage in his own company?

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>>4828985
it's been about a week. not a "while back"

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>>4829016
>Her style doesn't fit the post2021 hollive anymore.

Taiwan #1

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>>4828985
>Mori had that awful cringe meme review because she knew Coco was graduating and couldn't keep it together.
It all makes sense now...

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>>4829030
She can say trans rights but can't wish her kouhai well. Fuck her.

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>>4828985
People were harassing Aqua because she streamed and was honest why she's taking a break. Now you fucktard complain that these girls are trying to be professional and not show that they are upset about their friend's decisions? You are a retard

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>>4827678
iirc isn't traditional used more often for the real china instead of mainland

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>>4829053
>But doesn't he make decisions? She loves him even though he fired her? Is he being held hostage in his own company?

Didn't A-Chan say on Holotalk...Hololive is her company, not Yagoo's. He's just a figurehead. It was her idea, she built it, she runs it, Yagoo is just there.

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>>4829016
That's true and I'm happy that she's standing strong in spite of it all. It's just really sad that it had to come to this. I truly enjoyed her interactions with the fans and the JP holos.

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>>4827698
They already raid her roommate's content but at least now Coco doesn't have the load of feeling bad that they raid her coworkers, even EN who we thought were untouchable last year.

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>>4829044
No, EN was out of the loop. Calli even pushed the dagger in when she was a guest at meme review. Which added to Coco's frustration, which lead her to ask for graduation.

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>>4829286
What does he do lmao. How can everything bad happen to hololive but still all the talents talk fondly of him

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>>4828398
>>4827790
>>4827154
I don't feel so good. When tempers cool maybe something positive will be gleaned from all this but everything is starting to make a bunch of sense. Too much sense. Shion has gone on this massive head trip about what's she going to do if this all goes away. Korone and Aqua are terrified of no one paying attention to them. Break after break after break. Miko is on one but she's saying she's not going anywhere.

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>>4829157
>Calli, the personification of death, visited Coco's stream just before her graduation
holy shit

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>>4829286
Her ideas his money and influence she's nothing without him

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>>4829303
It must be frustrating as a creator like her to be in that position. She's really not a gamer per se. She's still the asacoco girl but that can't swing anymore post2021

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>>4829053
There's like 0 chance Yagoo fired her. It was probably just bullying from managers blocking her from doing collabs until she felt pressured to quit on her own. That's how Japanese companies operate, hardly anyone ever gets fired because it creates too much drama.
She probably felt that Yagoo had nothing to do with it and that the managers blocking her from collabs weren't in the wrong either, because they're just trying to protect the talents they're responsible for. As a professional that has been on the management side before she's probably not bitter towards Cover over it.

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its her fucked up scratchy voice that gets me, you can feel how much its bene strained from crying, its actually heart breaking

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>>4829554
Yagoo probably isn't the god king inside of Cover people make him out to be.

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This feels like a nightmare

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>>4829400
He seems like a pushover. But that means he can also be pushed by non-talents in the company as well.

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>>4829674
You can't really have power when everyone makes fun of you

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>>4829523
With the mad cash and fan support, at least she doesn't need to worry about finding another company to back her. But I do hope that if she decides to be like a live entertainer or show host, companies won't look at her like the chinks are still on her back.

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>>4828985
I think the moment where she broke down crying during her stream and Kanata rushing to her side was the final straw. She must had decided to graduate soon after and informed thr other holos soon after

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>>4829286
I firmly believe that YAGOO hasn't been that involved with company operations since CN shut down. One of the reasons the girls loved to shit on him was because he was notorious for doting on them like daughters and letting them do whatever they wanted (which is why he had to hire managers). Firing his talents, Chinese or not, probably killed him. I wouldn't be surprised if he stopped being as involved in executive decisions from that point on as a survival mechanism.

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>>4829030
Fuck Baqua

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>>4829791
She's going independent with all of that money. She can even create her own vtuber agency

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>>4829053
Coco isn't fired, fired is HoloCn and Hitomi Chris
Retire is Aloe and Coco

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>>4829286
Yagoo is Cover. A-Chan is Hololive. A-Chan went with Sora and propositioned Cover to work with them to take their Vtuber technology they were developing and just make the content they were going to sell the tech to others for themselves.

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>>4829674
>implying Yagoo doesn't go around planting his hot fat load in all the talents to create the next generations of VTubers
>after enough breeding of the successful ones, he'll have created a lineage of humans with the VTuber gene
Coco left because she didn't want her daughter to get seeded by Yagoo

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>>4829903
Heck. I wish she does make her own vtuber company.

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>>4828066
Better rrat: she's retiring because Kanata got her pregnant.

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>>4829732
unironically this

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>>4829957
>Yagoo is Cover. A-Chan is Hololive
One of them needs to take responsibility for this.
And by "take responsibility" I mean resign.
And by "resign" I mean kill themselves.

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>>4829982
Newfag, we all know Yagoo is gay and only fucks the stars. He even pops in to their streams and retweets their shit.

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>>4826061
Without listening exactly how Kanatan said it, it's as if Coco will move out before the end of the year.

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>>4829674
That title belongs to Sora

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>>4829981
>Found a new vtuber agency
>Some Holomembers quit and join her

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>>4830214
Sora being a god only became a popular thing when newfags came in 2020.

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>>4830281
Yeah the newfags like you

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>>4830128
Sudoku is the only way

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>>4830250
All of them quit and join her. She can hire yagoo as the company mascot after cover bankrupts.

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I suppose this marks the transition from the Silver Age into the Bronze Age. The Golden Age being the time from First Gen to the Holocaust which nuked the archives thenceforth making it impossible for anyone to stream what they want when they want. Silver Age being a period of rapid due to the rapid rise in success (surpassing Niji) largely due to attention from overseas. Now the invulnerability is gone with the first real graduation that wasn't the result of someone fucking it up and getting shitcanned.

A future which will include high moments, but nothing legendary to write heroic epics about.

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>>4828057
youtube stopped playing the cat and mouse game with adblockers once they realized they were losing money on it

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>>4828136
as much as i want to, that's unlikely to happen

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>>4829957
>Yagoo is Cover. A-Chan is Hololive

Either Cover forced this, or Hololive did. Which means either Yagoo did this or A-Chan did.

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>>4830128
>a chink
>committing sudoku
>having any self respect

ahahahha NO

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>>4829400
yagoo is ceo of cover corporation
achan runs hololive production

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>>4828985
For that reason most of the talents probably didn't know until the management discussions were done, you could trust some like kanata to keep it off camera but haato or aqua would have let rrats slip almost instantly

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>>4830128
cut your thumb
take a picture
create a new twitter account
and upload a picture there

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>>4827520
Yep I commented on the sticky that her stream was going up 1k viewers per minute at 70k and it stopped suddenly at 77k, which didnt feel right, it even started dropping down to 75k before she ended

Then I refresh the stream afterwards and holy fucking 250k views 10 minutes after stream ended

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>>4830674
Indeed, at this point it's kind of clear Cover are obsessed with growth and willing to sacrifice the company's roots to achieve it.
My prediction for the future of Hololive:
>HoloEN2 will debut and be a massive success, even moreso than Gen 1, with all 5 talents reaching 1 million subs in like 2 months.
>The EN girls will start playing Minecraft and other large scale games together and bonding a lot more.
>They'll develop a much more cohesive culture the way HoloJP has and start exerting pressure on the company's corporate culture as a whole to be more EN-focused.
>Cover will start aggressively expanding with HoloES, HoloEN3, HoloRU, HoloKR, etc to capitalize on bilingual talents who can collab internationally.
>Haachama will start being bullied by management the same way Coco was and blocked from collabing with any of the new branches because her content is too "yab" for their big cash cow.
>She'll be forced to graduate along with Miko, Marine, Matsuri, and anyone else who could be seen as "problematic" to western audiences.
>The other big talents like Fubuki, Korone, and Aqua will start graduating on their own when they see their friends being forced out.
>Hololive will be a massive success and completely dominate the international vtuber market, but at the cost of alienating their entire JP fanbase and talents.
>Eventually, they'll shut down operations in Japan entirely when Polka is the last to graduate, refusing to stop believing in Yagoo until the very end as she's forced to do her graduation circus show while in tears.
Pack it up boys, Hololive will never be the same again after this month.

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>>4829016
did she said anything in a member post?

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>>4831657
Lol, just lol

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>>4831657
>this entire post
this had better be facetious bullshit. I swear to everything holy in this world, if this happens, I'm going to make third impact look like a fucking fifth grader's science fair project.

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next is Aqua, Pekora and Korone.
hope you all ready by then

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>>4828898
Anemachi isn't a former employee

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>>4830674
>golden age
>time from first generation
sora's streams were fun

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>>4831953
It's a post in dire need of meds, but it's still not quite as out there as I wish it was. I doubt it'll be half that bad, but the increased focus EN and ID(po, well, just ollie) have put on collaborating with the likes of TT have me a little concerned that the day where another hobby is invaded and homogenized is closer than I thought. I've been doing my reps for a few months in preparation so I can escape the eop hole and expand my watch list, but a few months isn't very long and I'm absolutely retarded so it's a long way out. Anyone interested in vtubers in general should do the same, I think.

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>>4827105
>>4832338
Kanata could just say she's collabing with her other channel since she's technically a vtuber on her other channel.

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>>4829286
and IIRC she answers directly to someone in higher position than Yagoo

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>>4832265
go back pooh

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>>4831657
>>as she's forced to do her graduation circus show while in tears.
As sad as this would be, it would also be peak kino.

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>>4832542
She can't collab without management approval, and it would be reasonable to expect this extends to the talents' other online persona as well

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>>4832610
>and IIRC she answers directly to someone in higher position than Yagoo
Bogs confirmed.
A-chan took the call.

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>>4829157
EN didn't know. Mori fucked up because she's a bitch

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>>4827154
Besides her forays into "kindergarten", Haachama's demotivation to stream makes even more sense now.

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>Miko, Fubuki, Pekora, Marine all announce graduation in protest of the lack of company protection

What would Tanigo do?

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>>4833071
>Pekora
Never, she loves money and attention.

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>>4833071
All of these are believable except Pekora, she has like no connection or emotional attachment to the other talents and only views it as a job.

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>>4833071
>Pekora
Put Rushia in there instead

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>>4829053
She wasn't fired, she quit.

Here's my rrat. Zhang's have been harassing her so much it's finally gotten to her and can't sleep. It's hurting her mentally but pretends to be strong. Choco and Mel tried to stop her but she yelled back you don't know what it's like. Finally, since they know Kson, she probably got doxxed and now they're attacking her family unless she leaves.

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>>4829400
because it's always men fault no matter if it's true or not that's how our society works

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>>4829285
Traditional is used by the chinese diaspora around the world that fled china all the way up to the point where chinese were barred from fleeing.
So, the chinese that went to san francisco or victoria australia for the gold rushes in the 19th cen, the vast numbers (which spiked after the ccp took control in 49) throughout SEA. Taiwan too obviously. Unfortunately besides the latter it's dying out as the younger generations of chinese diaspora, if they learn chinese at all, will learn simplified because it is more widely used and because of PRC's prominence in affairs these days.
The last vestige of what is a true "china town" now that hong kong has been well and truly fucked resides in bangkok, thailand: those fat, juicy complicated traditonal characters galore on signs everywhere and none of this hideous simplified 1984 newspeak type shit.
The old folks there only know traditional and scoff at this fugly maoist skeleton of a once magnificent writing system.

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>>4830128
This +1

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>>4828136
do you mean kanata´s past live in kson streams

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>>4833546
>unless she leaves.
As if that's going to stop them they were present during her birthday...

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Is this the real reason why Watame ended Watame no Uta?

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>>4826437
>0-2:43:15 [Kanata] The rest of the Hololive members knew from a little while back about the graduation

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>>4826771
Based gorilla

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>>4825708
>playing civ6
>stream happens
>turn 120, china declares war on me
>one of his cities is even fucking Wuhan
I will stop at nothing less than the complete nuking, glassing, razing, and pillaging of every single tile.
theviolencehasescalated.jpg
For Coco

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The honey has to have been deliberate.

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>>4835461
That's just a leftover from her stream a few days ago when her voice died.

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>>4827154

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.Let's be real here. The only reason why Coco will graduate is because of creative differences.
-All of the issues that Coco experienced like the mod stuff and zhangs were all fixed since early 2021.
-Her collab restrictions for JP has been lifted for a long time now and she is able to collab with people. She can even collab with EN now and has hinted them since last month.
-Zhang profits is neglible because even when Holo pulled out they still consumed Holos like normal. They still bought their merch like normal. Holo earned in multi millions since terminating their HoloCN. HoloEN is the new frontliners now while HoloJP are the money makers.

It is creative differences because Cover has been being restrictive with their talents ever since their boom. This is not targeted with Coco but Coco is the one most affected because her content revolves around creative content. Not just streaming games like Asacoco. Examples of restrictive behavior:
-Pekora's project getting shutdown which resulted to her breakdown
-Marine's project shutdown which resulted to her extended break and depression
-Korone's project shutdown which also depressing her
-Haachama's content slapdown which caused her to go on a vacation

If anything has to be done here, is for Cover to provide their talents a way to still be creative. Coco mentioned that there were projects that won't see the light of day and that's because Cover won't approve them. She has said once before that she has ran out of ideas and took a break. She probably had another proposal that got denied again and chose to leave after the fact.

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>>4835311
I'm also currently playing Civ 6, as China though.

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Huh, I didn't even notice because there's more important things going on and I'm not a soulless husk

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>>4833071
He would die

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>>4835614
link to pekora breakdown? poor girl
Marine's streams have been really good and creative lately though.
Korone is always a depressed neet
Haachama has been dealing with too much. Zhangs haven't been helping either

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>>4835685
>more important things going on
like?

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>>4835614
This. Coco left because she's a free spirit. HL gets more sanitized the bigger it grows. Every creative idea Coco has, gets canned by management, be it Asacoco or anything else.
She mentioned in her streams how she did not even get told why her projects and collabs got denied at times. Cover only used her popularity to regurgitate the same redd*tshitreview each week.
That plus the previous harassment and constant eggshell-walking probably just made her feel like it was not worth the hassle anymore.

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>>4835857
She didn't sound resolute and ready to move on though.

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>>4835658
Commit sudoku
Fulfill the prophecy

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>>4835614
>She can even collab with EN now and has hinted them since last month.
But this is because she's graduating.

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>>4835614
This message was copypasted in all Coco threads

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>>4835926
She's fine, she didn't even cry during her announcement.

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>>4835993
I'm repeating this over and over so that you can blame Cover for the right reasons. They are actively crushing these girls creative spirit with money. Sanitizing them until they are al like this.

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>>4836070
> so that you can blame Cover for the right reasons

Advanced autism

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>>4835989
Korone is the only indicator of when Coco shared to the members she would leave. She said something happened that made her not want to stream anymore. Coco has been talking about EN weeks before that.

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>>4836070
No girl that would willingly sign onto Hololive deserves sympathy for being stifled creatively. Becoming a corporate vtuber is literally selling your identity to a company; the one line most artists will not cross who work in entertainment.
Not saying they're wrong to do so; most of the talents obviously have fun being famous anime girls IRL. But they knew what they were getting themselves into.

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>>4836162
Pekora and Marine are all one trigger away from leaving Hololive as well. If another project of theirs get shutdown. They will also leave

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>>4836375
I have no idea what I would do if Senchou graduated. That would break me.

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>>4836459
Marine was so devastated that she didn't have the energy to eat or get out of bed. It's really the hologirls that helped her. But now that one of them is gone and if Coco continues to become successful as Kson, it will be easier for all the other girls to see the other horizon as a good thing. If Cover continues to shut them down, especially the big creators, they will shut down because Cover is nothing without their creators

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>>4827201
>The one who stinks like hell is FBK.
FBK not leaving proves that coco chose to graduate on her own though.

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>>4830281
you realize sora existed BEFORE hololive right?
there is a reason why they are called gen "0"
all the members in it weren't originally hololive in the first place

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>>4836643
If Norio can make her own Vtuber company, Kson definitely can. I hope she eventually can and take all the hologirls that are getting restrictive BS from Cover

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>>4832692
>>4831657

polka in this case reminds me the end of lisa the painfull

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>>4827154
imagine if korone is the only one with the balls to quit, and fubuki was a corporate slave the whole time

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>>4836643
The problem is that not everyone who watches Marine is going to follow her out of Hololive if she leaves.
The identity of Houshou Marine will die when she leaves Hololive, and it's not like she can say "hey, here's my new account" while posting as Marine.

This goes for any Hololive vtuber who decides to go indie.

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>>4835926
I'd say its possible to know you have to move on from a job, but regret having to do so. Hololive is where she accomplished her dreams, reached new heights in her career, and she'll be leaving her friends behind where she won't be able to interact with them publicly. That said if she is being held back back by management, isn't being fulfilled creatively, and she knows she has the potential to be successful outside of Hololive, I could easily see her leave despite not fully wanting to.

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>>4829455
and it made sense all the zhangs will going crazy on this board during the collab,
they didn't liked pink reaper giving orange dragon a send off

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>>4837046
In her case it wouldn't really matter, though. You can't mistake her voice, it would be gura all over again.

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>>4837046
She can just do what Kson did and just start streaming again on her NND. And then open a YT channel. Everyone knows who she is. If she does this for a few months consistently she will be able to open her memberships and SCs. And then graduate as Marine. I am dubbing this as the Kson Exit Strategy.

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>>4837046
The fans doxxed every single Hololive within minutes of hearing them for the first time, if Marine reappears somewhere else she'll be found instantly. And I'll be there.

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>>4836643

What happened to Marine? I thought she was sick or something and that's why she was gone

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>>4826437
>0-2:43:15 [Kanata] The rest of the Hololive members knew from a little while back about the graduation
So the En collabs are because of the graduation rrat is true.

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>>4828985
When haato had a big breakdiwn and stopped streaming or mental health issues

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>>4837519
She was already okay. She even streamed once but after that stream she felt a whiplash. She realized that she wasn't over things yet. That she got really depressed. She had to take another break. She had several talks with other holos that had the same issue like Korone about it which made lifter her spirits to continue streaming. That's why you got the fashion stream and that oneesan MH streams. She was heavily relying on holos to lift her from depression

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>>4836070
you know what, fair enough?
i found it weird that this was blamed on china considering how much the problem was mitigated.
creative differences make a lot more sense.
though sadly if this is true that probably means this is the first graduations out of many, especially of coco manages to retain most of her audience through the move.

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>>4837657

I'm sorry if I wasn't clear, but what was making her depressed? Overwork?

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>>4837657
do we have any info on what the cancelled project were?
i'll take rrrats, i'm desperate.

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>>4837305
>>4837334
>>4837452
The problem is the loss of followers in the short term. Sunk cost fallacy thinking:
>I already have a huge following through Hololive, and I'll lose most of them if I leave, so I should stay in hololive, even if I'm restricted in what I can do.

I know some people can and will find out and post it here, as they have with Gura and Coco, but the question is not about whether /vt/ can find her, but if the masses on r/hololive can find her and are willing to follow her.

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>>4837696

They blame China because no one gets as many antis as she does. She's the only one to break down on stream because of it. Is it also creative differences? Maybe, but she was put in the final PV for Alternative, so Cover is obviously okay with pimping out her likeness but not oaky with giving her legitimate protection from those dickheads in her chat

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I expected the like/dislike ratio to be the exact opposite.

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>>4837696
Korone almost quit. Marine was reaching that point. Haachama is slowly becoming like her old self again. Coco might be the only one because her content really relied on content like Asacoco and reddit review. It is most likely her new shows were a variation of sorts. Noone heavily relied on these kind of content except Coco. Maybe Haachama too but she seems to be getting a greenlit with all those contents she's been doing.

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>>4837808
She still hasn't been able to do whatever was planned for 1 million subs. And she's at 1.35M now.

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>>4827672
WTF cover really gave in to the chinks...

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>>4837815
Oh, you're absolutely correct. It will take a significant final straw to make talents choose to leave Hololive on their own, I think. But on the other hand, the more talents that leave, the easier it gets to leave.

And (this is deep speculation territory) if Coco does manage to rebound from this well, with a strong following, that will be a big signal that you can leave Hololive and not suffer too much from the transition. Which will make the minimum size of that straw considerably smaller.

We'll have to wait and see.

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>>4837922
The Bank of East Asia is their biggest investor.

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>>4837046
>not everyone who watches Marine is going to follow her out of Hololive if she leaves
I can't blame them. A major aspect of the Hololive rabbit hole is the brand, the family, the unity. The vtubers being tight, and the fans being just as tight. In Hololive, she's Marine, an icon, one among many in an extended universe of creative works. As an indie, she'd be someone with a familiar voice, a lonesome talking head in a sea of others just like her. Would she have the means to explore a familiar company-wide Minecraft server, collab with the other holos, or hobble around in 3D until she's winded if she went indie? I doubt it, which is why I don't want to see the day.

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>>4837900
I'm not ultimately saying it is just purely creative differences. Her job will be easier if she didn't get trolls HOWEVER she won't have any job whatsoever if she can't have any projects to be excited about. I am very certain that Coco will stay if any of her projects were approved. She was devastated about them. You can tell she loves Hololive but has no actual motivations to stay. She is already rich. She can still be friends with the girls even as Kson. Holostarts still guests on Rikka's ttrpgs as their roommates

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>>4838159
>brand, the family, the unity
This is it. You get it to a smaller degree with niji because they're so big. There are different cliques that rarely interact, while pretty much all of Hololive collabs with each other at some point.

774 is much closer, and they have been inclining recently.

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>>4836726
Or that FBK is a snake in the grass and looks out for the company over one talent.

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>>4831061
>thinking both of them ever did anything instead of being a figurehead while faceless old japs and chinks ran the background
do you really think A-chan is anyting but a mascot?

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>>4838358
Coco isn't even gone yet. How many times have we collectively chastized morons for acting rashly?
Lots of things are happening internally at Cover. Give it time, observe.

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>>4838159
there's nothing really stopping them from interacting with each other if they leave.
creating groups amongst indies has been a thing for a while.

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>>4835857
>>4835614
>>4833546
>>4829814
>>4829554
You are wrong. Cover fired Coco. Japanese do it passive-aggressive as fuck, she held out as long as she could. NDA means she will never talk about it on roommate channel. Hololive is now firmly under CCP influence and every girl knows it.

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>>4836026
She did cry, she muted herself several times and that's why her voice was raspy (that she said don't worry about).

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>>4837334
>Oops tee hee chat minaide !
literally every girl/boy there

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>>4838474
Give us time to process it. It's been like 5 hours. I'm genuinely terrified right now.

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>>4829016
>Let her be. This is good for her as a content creator. Her style doesn't fit the post2021 hollive anymore.
"I'm Coco the Digger. There's someone more appropriate to pass through the tunnel I've dug."

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>>4829053
>>4829053
"Being held hostage in his own company" is how it works for anybody running a company that has shareholders. The cunts rarely care about the actual company they invested in past how much money it can make them, and it isn't uncommon for them to make a series of terrible decisions because they don't understand the basics of what the company they invested in does.

Cover is looking like it is going to be a good example of this going forward, with its profits mostly coming from Hololive rather than selling tech as was originally planned. Most of the shareholders got involved when it was a tech company and have no idea about the entertainment industry, especially not the weird crossover between gamer and idol culture that vtubers occupy.

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>>4838748
source?

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>>4831657
Motherfucker stop. I know you're framing a worst case scenario, but I don't even wanna think about this shit.

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>>4839721
>Kanta is Boota
Nice touch, anon.

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>>4836375
>>4836832
>>4836643
Imagine Haachama, Hololive Gen 3 and Hololive Gamers as well as Kanata and Suisei leaving with Coco to build a less restrictive company, Hololive would be in shambles

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>>4840258
Could Coco even do that legally? They would have to drop their characters (except Suisei?) but could they? There are no anti competition clauses?
And yeah if that happened Hololive would be truly fucked. They might hang on but their time as one of the leaders would be over.

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>>4840387
They won't be able to keep their persona but as far as debuting into another vtuber? HoloCN have all done that already, Even Delta is going to do that.

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>>4827105
They approved Kanata's contract knowing who she lives with, no backsies

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>>4837334
>She can just do what Kson did and just start streaming again on her NND
I dont think Marine is as bold as KSON is. Remember, even the rrats still couldnt found her face till this day and no faceless stream either like pekora or noel.

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>>4831657
>Polka is the last to graduate, refusing to stop believing in Yagoo until the very end
I could not envision a more kino ending to HololiveJP, with Yagoo reminiscent of Cao Cao in his later years, becoming a ruthless villain who has forgotten the sound of justice.

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>>4840387
>Could Coco even do that legally?
they can, even Matsuri now have her own channel.

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>>4827473
I'm scared anon, what do you mean?

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>>4826505
Fuck off with your forced memes redditor, this is important.

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>>4840834
People will recognize her art style and voice anywhere, discoverability is not an issue.

I'm thinking Streaming just isn't her endgame. If she were to jump ships, it would be management role(she knows people in every business field after all)

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>>4826061
>>4826437
>The rest of the Hololive members knew from a little while back about the graduation
>Coco just made a brand new intro to her show, where even some EN girls appear
>all the honest excitement of a certain girl that is literally terrible at hiding anything in collabing with her
Sorry Kanata, I know these are things you have to say because it's your job but I don't really believe this.

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>>4826437
>The rest of the Hololive members knew from a little while back about the graduation
bullshit, I knew she say this for the cover's PR but it is clean as day that it wasn't planned that long considering coco just receive new outfit last month and all that collab plan.

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>>4841890
Anon...go back a month or so to when Haachama had her "mental health break" and Korone had that tweet about wanting to quit due to a certain event that she can't talk about...it adds up...

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>>4841890
was it Kitara(?) or whatever Niji streamer who got new outfit for graduation stream.
Artists got paid upfront, no refunds. Might as well use it

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>>4831657
So Cover turns into Sony. Truly a fate worse than death.

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>>4836737
Please...your reps...

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>>4831657
were you a fanfiction writer in the past

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>>4841708
>>4841890
These things are planned and commissioned way ahead of time. There's no reason not to use them just because she's going to graduate.

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>>4827154
i hope they all ditch cover, they all have the 2.5k to shell out for new vtuber assets, maybe even form a new company with no restrictions, or VShojo can start a JP branch

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>>4843359
Then maybe only the JP girls really knew beforehand, because the narrative really don't fit with EN, which makes sense I guess, no reason to involve them.

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>>4831657
At this point, the EN girls and ID girls would stand with their JP friends. The EN five alone are all in the million views, so they alone have the power to tell Cover to fuck and either join a rival group or even go independent

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>>4827154
>>4828398
Are we really reaching Seventh Trumpet this soon?

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>>4842317
It's Gibara.
>>4843359
>>4841890
>>4842009
Coco has been getting updates consistently. Not just a costume. But her live 2D and Home3D. She was also in HoloAlt. She also still part of all official merchandise advertisement tie-ins. She's probably still part of the Manga that was being made. Her decision to leave might have been set no more than after Jan2021. Not before 2020 when all of the spamming and mod issue happened. She was talking about projects being rejected and her getting bummed and talking a break only within 2 months. And if you were paying attention, there was a short period in Hololive where all the girls seemed to be streaming less. This is when Korone was down. Marine was down. Roommate activity was up. So Coco probably broke the news slowly to the girls that she was close with. They probably knew atleast 2 weeks ahead of time

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>>4844467
>>4828398
>didn't Marine say something along the lines of "after i stop being a vtuber" on a recent stream?
>Ayame had that kind of speech as well.
>Okayu even had one if I can recall
These all happened within 3 weeks or so. That means the girls at least 1 month in advance.

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>>4827788
They are Chinese, they don't operate using reason, only power. It's the same thing with how they drew imaginary dots and claimed everything in it is theirs without any actual proof of said claims except for the dots they drew.

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>>4829285
Taiwan and westernized Chinese use traditional. It's very convenient that the Chinese have a system in place that lets you distinguish the good ones from the bad ones.

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I'm a holo numberfag, but I can't be too proud to win against nijipex tournament with coco's graduation

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>>4831657
You don't get make Polka suffer like that, not even in a shitty rrat.

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>>4833569
>a once magnificent writing system.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

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>>4844467
>>4844646
I can get behind this rrat. Though i'm pretty sure the prevailing narrative is something more dramatic.

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>>4838110

>>4844351