ONE PERCENT

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Anonymous Mon May 8 23:53:11 2023 No.49024133 [Reply] [Original]

ONE PERCENT

>>	Anonymous Mon May 8 23:59:04 2023 No.49024455 niji vtubers are getting pennies

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 00:00:24 2023 No.49024522 Ahaem, it is 1-3%

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 00:19:22 2023 No.49025602 Keep that in mind they designed merchandise to support the talents side (and that's all I know)

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 00:22:33 2023 No.49025785 I don't know why, it doesn't even matter how hard you try, keep that in mind you are just corpo slave

Anonymous Tue May 9 00:31:20 2023 No.49026256

>>49024133
>ONE PERCENT
To play devil's advocate when it comes to generic merch we have no idea if Hololive is better than Nijisanji. We know hololive talents get a higher split from birthday merch which is why they usually shill it hard but there is no information on generic merch. Japanese idol companies usually keep the vast majority of money from merch sales.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 00:31:33 2023 No.49026267 >>49024133 I saw a spam of niji related threads earlier today, what happened this time? More drama?

Anonymous Tue May 9 00:34:30 2023 No.49026443

>>49026267
There's been talk of nijis barely getting anything from merch for a while and Pomu said that it's not a great way to support them. Kuzuha said years ago he gets nothing from merch. False vtuber was told similarly and then went on to question several other sources and says they get roughly 2% from merch.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 00:34:49 2023 No.49026460 >>49026256 So does the 1-3% not apply to the Niji birthday/anniversary merchandise then?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 00:37:21 2023 No.49026607 >>49024133 "don't worry if you join us, you will earn more than you do now."

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 00:39:10 2023 No.49026704 >>49026443 so he just made shit up without a source and holofags are just running with it?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 00:41:09 2023 No.49026820 >>49026607 kek niji keeps sounding like an MLM

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 00:41:30 2023 No.49026845 >>49024133 >Anycolor >Their only color is black

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 00:42:19 2023 No.49026887 >>49026704 nijiseethe

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 00:42:52 2023 No.49026911 >>49026704 Yes, exactly

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 00:43:43 2023 No.49026961 >>49026704 you dipshits need to work out if your cope is "It's nothing" or "He made it up!" or "It's old news we already knew this!" it's hilarious watching you all desperately grasp at different things though

>>	Riku Tazumi Tue May 9 00:46:00 2023 No.49027061 >>49026961 this nijifags keep saying >b-b-b-b-bbut pomu already said this! >b-bb-b-b-bbut kuzuha already said this! yet at the same time >s-s-s-s-source! he made it up! fucking pick one already nijifags

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 00:46:09 2023 No.49027072 >>49024133 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov_oeUWOAqA&t=4377s

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 00:46:32 2023 No.49027097 >>49027061 It was literally popular three or four years ago. It's kind of funny to introduce it as the 'latest information' in 2023... Holy newfags

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 00:49:27 2023 No.49027253 >>49027097 NIjifags has been this dumb since 4 years ago. Fitting rrat.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 00:50:39 2023 No.49027322 >>49027061 how about both? He's pulling some h*rohei shit where he dug up some old info to make a clickbait video

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 00:50:41 2023 No.49027324 >>49027072 Mysta also leaked his tax bracket. It's a cry for help.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 00:52:18 2023 No.49027416 >>49027324 proof

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 00:53:43 2023 No.49027499 >>49027097 Because no NijiEN fan fucking knows about NijiJP retard. It may be old news for long time fans but for fans who started with NijiEN it is news.

Anonymous Tue May 9 00:55:10 2023 No.49027575

IT STARTS WITH
ONE PERCENT
I DONT KNOW WHY
IT DOESNT EVEN MATTER HOW HARD THEY BUY
KEEP THAT IN MIND
I DESIGNED THIS STAND
TO SELL IN DUE TIME
ALL I KNOW
MONEY IS A VALUABLE THING
WATCH IT FLY BY AS OUR STOCKS CLIMB
THE STOCKS TICK PROFITS AWAY

ITS SO UNREAL
DIDN'T LOOK OUT BELOW
WATCH OUR TALENTS GO RIGHT OUT THE WINDOW
TRYING TO HOLD ON, DIDNT EVEN KNOW
I WASTED IT ALL JUST TO WATCH YOU GO

I KEPT ALL 99%
AND EVEN THOUGH I TRIED
YOU STILL GRADUATED
WHAT IT MEANT TO BE
WILL EVENTUALLY BE A MEMORY OF A TIME

I SOLD SO HARD
AND GOT SO FAR
BUT IN THE END
YOU STILL GRADUATED

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 00:57:06 2023 No.49027695 >>49024522 Not that it makes much difference

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 00:57:39 2023 No.49027731 >>49024522 It start from 1%, depends how much you earn it can increases to max 3%

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 00:57:51 2023 No.49027738 >>49024133 better than nothing, they are being kind

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:01:51 2023 No.49027961 File: 9 KB, 229x220, 1590037122243.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>49027097 >we knew that livers make jack shit from merch, so what? You know, I'm waiting for nijiniggers to post anycolor's stocks.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:02:16 2023 No.49027980 >>49027416 I made it up. Just joking I'm not a nijinigger https://youtu.be/SwheqxMPOCY?t=8663

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:02:54 2023 No.49028015 >>49027738 Could have been 0,1%

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:03:36 2023 No.49028063 >>49026704 Kuzuha saying he gets nothing from merch(2019) https://twitter.com/Vamp_Kuzu/status/1130702535147188224? Mysta saying he gets 1% https://youtu.be/ov_oeUWOAqA?t=4377

Anonymous Tue May 9 01:04:23 2023 No.49028102
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>>49024133
>1% from merch sales
KEK and Anniekara doesn't even pay for the vtubing assets of their talents or anything, holy fuck kek Riku just cashes in all that money for himself what a fucking jew.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:04:24 2023 No.49028106 File: 53 KB, 680x480, FrBeR8AaYAEG_92.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>49027731 Mysta is one of the top of En, and he still gets 1%

Anonymous Tue May 9 01:05:47 2023 No.49028188

>>49028063
Are people unironically using Mysta as a source now? The guy is functionally retarded and lies to bait superchats. It's like when Enna pretends she's poor all the time even though she makes 6 figures easily.
That said both companies probably pay less than 10% from merch. Considering the liver has no involvement in the merch production it's not unreasonable.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:05:59 2023 No.49028199 >>49028106 Older members must get the 2-3%

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:06:05 2023 No.49028205 >>49027980 What the hell? He should actually sue.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:06:35 2023 No.49028232 If this is true and someone other than Sayu/Zaion leaked the final confirmation to the dramafag... We will see a new graduation coming from NijiEN in the next few episodes. Because they will definitely try to go after the traitor

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:06:43 2023 No.49028239 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2fGW5Lt9jw go ahead and make your next video you leech

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:07:14 2023 No.49028279 >>49024133 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBZLBnhPq1g

Anonymous Tue May 9 01:08:33 2023 No.49028363

>>49028188
Considering the awkward silence and how he tried to turn it into a joke, there’s a probably a lot more truth to it than was hoped.
Which just makes things even more frustrating that it is true, it’s a literal MLM and the talents are practically hostages.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:09:28 2023 No.49028433 File: 17 KB, 224x256, 1598373429703.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>49028188 >That said both companies Did nijinigger really...

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:10:33 2023 No.49028509 >>49028279 based /pw/chad

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:10:34 2023 No.49028511 File: 383 KB, 1920x1080, PULL UP.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>49028102 >Make your livers pay for all debut costs out of pocket to cut expenses >No salaries >Take 97% of the merch profits No wonder ACCELERATE is working so well

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:11:16 2023 No.49028549 >>49027980 >loses £20,000 because of Nijisanji fucking up his taxes. I sincerely hope he made them reimburse.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:12:09 2023 No.49028585 >>49028433 >criticizing holo makes you a nijinig consider suicide

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:12:31 2023 No.49028600 >>49026460 It does. Theirs is what in holo would be considered "generic merch", it's just that bad.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:13:49 2023 No.49028661 >>49028102 His duty is to make sure his stakeholders increase their wealth by investing in him. He can just hire another 100 livers if the old ones expire.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:13:53 2023 No.49028666 >>49028585 Hololive has its problems for certain, and they absolutely showed throughout history. That said it’s mostly been due to incompetence rather than greed or outright maliciousness as was uncovered with Nijisanji.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:14:57 2023 No.49028736 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3mgB08_pHk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpw7b1qV3qw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCJzQNw_zT0 their financial information was available for years. Why make a big shit over this particular company?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:15:15 2023 No.49028756 >n-noooo Mysta is retarded >you can’t use him saying they only get 1% of the merch as an example

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:16:19 2023 No.49028809 >>49028736 At least they get paid. Also we know that Kson's a fucking money hungry gold digger who probably regrets leaving now that her views are in the shitter.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:16:44 2023 No.49028840 >>49028585 In this case yes. A seething nijinog. Be less obvious next time, negroe.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:16:57 2023 No.49028849 >>49028232 >implying they’d go after luxiem

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:18:00 2023 No.49028902 File: 21 KB, 394x386, 1598373429705.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>49028585 >thread about nijisanji's yab >"but hololive" Every single time.....

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:18:46 2023 No.49028939 >>49028188 >That said both companies probably pay less than 10% from merch. No reference.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:19:04 2023 No.49028961 >>49028736 >salary Already better than niji. Don't know if they still give those out though no one new has talked about the chump change they get outside their usual earnings.

Anonymous Tue May 9 01:19:40 2023 No.49028993

>>49027738
It it retarded because it kills any incentive to grow their fanbase. This means Nijisanji has to release new waves constantly in order to continue creating new fans and "growing" the brand.

So yes Nijisanji makes money but the problem is the talents aren't making very much money meaning the talents are extremely limited in how much they can do. There is also zero incentive for the talents to make their own merch or try and go above and beyond. This tends to erode professionalism and giving a fuck from talents. This is essentially what killed NijiKR who had talents graduating and then proceeding to shit all over Nijisanji and their management in their graduation streams.

Nijisanji does not see talents as an investment they are just there to sell vinyl stands... which wouldn't be a problem in itself this becomes a black company situation because Nijisanji is only selling these stands because of the work the talents do. People aren't buying the merch because they love Nijisanji they buy the merch because they believed that they were supporting the talents but if the talent only gets 2% that becomes almost unethical since it means many fans were lied to by Nijisanji.

This is starting to take me back to a time in early vtubing where a large portion of Nijisanji's talents were openly calling Nijisanji a black company.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:20:47 2023 No.49029053 >>49028188 >>49028585 >>49028585 >Information directly from talent's mouth >H-h-h-he's retarded and a liar >immediately deflects to holo with no proof

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:21:04 2023 No.49029066 >>49028232 He states he spoke to multiple people. It's not like it was a secret though, as much as some sisters are coping

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:23:28 2023 No.49029201 >>49027980 wtf

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:23:37 2023 No.49029215 >>49028736 >Fucking 2020 lmao

Anonymous Tue May 9 01:23:52 2023 No.49029238

holo's split is definitely better than niji's, there's a got to be reason why majority of top niconico streamers at that time joined holo, despite holo being the smaller agency at the time

but there is also a saying that jp male vtubers usually make more than the female ones if they have about the same views and subscribers, since female buys more voice packs and character goods (ex. the mass buying for ita bags)

Anonymous Tue May 9 01:25:04 2023 No.49029317

>>49028993
There's a pretty old interview with Riku where he said that he sees vtubing as a way to make quick cash, I think that says all about his philosophy. One the opposite spectrum you have Yagoo who wants to make vtubing (under his company) a long term career.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:25:19 2023 No.49029336 >>49028585 in which post you replied to did any single anon describe hololive?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:25:28 2023 No.49029347 File: 317 KB, 363x363, 1683416726106280.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>49027980 This can't be real

Anonymous Tue May 9 01:26:37 2023 No.49029417
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>>49028661
Diminishing returns. No one would want to buy stocks from a company that just flushed a large amount of livers. There will be no one to replace the lost talent because Nijisanji will have killed their own business for years.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:27:39 2023 No.49029485 >Dramaniggers, Mysta, Pomu, Maria, KING, probably some other kidneys I'm missing all saying they get jackshit from merch Not a valid source. Give me a direct quote from Riku.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:27:53 2023 No.49029497 >>49028188 >immediately ignore Kuzuha source This is how Nijifag cope?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:27:57 2023 No.49029504 >>49027980 why the fuck isn’t the drama about this instead, this is way bigger

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:28:25 2023 No.49029538 >>49029417 They've been going for a while now grinding through livers. Can't say it isn't working, not yet anyway.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:28:39 2023 No.49029547 >>49028205 >>49028549 >>49029201 >>49029347 >>49029504 He's talking about a personal accountant he hired, not Nijisanji. Anon just conveniently timestamped after he mentions the accountant.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:29:13 2023 No.49029581 >>49029215 niji's merch cut info was also 2020, whats the difference

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:29:35 2023 No.49029606 >>49024133 No it 2%, double the profit, take that loser.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:30:11 2023 No.49029648 I though you anon already knew about how low the cut livers got from merch in AnyKara. The one that actually gave livers better cut is voice pack. That's why you see many livers spam the shit out of it and advertised heavied on their stream.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:31:31 2023 No.49029736 >>49029648 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkVYRpDtrNY confirms it

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:31:52 2023 No.49029755 >>49024133 One percent of generic keychains, acrylic illustrations and pins Jesas

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:32:03 2023 No.49029767 >>49029547 YAY SISTER YOU TELL HIM

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:33:40 2023 No.49029862 >>49029485 yeah how come CNN and Fox can get a comment from whoever they're doing a story on but this dramafag can't

Anonymous Tue May 9 01:34:05 2023 No.49029892

>>49028961
Don't think they need to mention it.
I assume it's still a thing since japan's general requirement everywhere from being able to rent an apartment to obtaining insurance and tax matters or whatever is contingent on being employed with a monthly salary.
Mori would also get something as would be required to be able to live in Japan.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:36:34 2023 No.49030051 >>49028736 >salary WTF NIJISISTERS OUR ANSWER??

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:36:42 2023 No.49030058 >>49028961 it's 300 USD a month which is way below minimum wage. Don't know why it's even a talking point

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:37:20 2023 No.49030096 >>49029862 Sue and go through discovery if you want the source

Anonymous Tue May 9 01:39:38 2023 No.49030267

>>49024133
ONE PERCENT, I DON'T KNOW WHY
IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER HOW MUCH MERCH YOU BUY
KEYCHAINS IN MIND, THE STRAPS THAT I DESIGNED
TO SELL IN DUE TIME
ALL I SOLD
ACRYLIC IS A VALUBLE THING
CATCH IT BY THE STRAP ON THE FANNYPACK THING
MATCH IT WITH OTHERS THAT WE SWEAR AREN'T THAT GAY
THE LAZULIGHT COLOR THEME
IT'S SO TEAL
SEVEN DEBUTS IN A ROW
WATCH THE VIEWS GO RIGHT OUT THE WINDOW
TRYING TO HOLD ON, THE YABS ARE GONNA FLOW
WATCHING IT ALL JUST TO
KEK AT IT ALL

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:41:41 2023 No.49030399 >>49030267 B R A V O

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:43:00 2023 No.49030475 kek

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:43:36 2023 No.49030516 >>49029862 Because they would get shat on from every direction. Sisters would harass and doxx them.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:43:50 2023 No.49030532 >>49029892 I think hololive use sora as an example for giving salary to their talents. I think this is also why most holomems really respect sora.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:44:37 2023 No.49030589 >>49030267 I shilled so hard And sold crap merch But in the end It doesn't even matter I had to yab To get 2 percent But in the end It doesn't even matter

Anonymous Tue May 9 01:44:47 2023 No.49030600
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>Buy oshi's $100 merch to support her/him.
>Oshi only sees $1 of your money
>After learning about this
Nijicucks unironically, unjokingly, unequivocally leaps to defend njiicorp and starts sucking off Takumi's BAC.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:45:26 2023 No.49030639 >>49030058 >retard don't understand what base salary mean that is 300 vs nothing in Niji. basically "here is some money to keep you alive until you start earning" vs "not my problem, start earning or die."

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:45:34 2023 No.49030653 >>49030532 I wonder what the contracts of people like Mito or Denron have, they must be different from the new Jp/En ones

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:46:14 2023 No.49030704 >>49030600 If they buy 100 keychains she'll get $100.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:47:17 2023 No.49030763 >>49029736 Too bad this cuts off before she says there's another way to support your oshi but she says that she can't say what it is. I'll say it for her. Donate to their RM/PL via streamlabs.

Anonymous Tue May 9 01:47:51 2023 No.49030800

>>49029648
>Pomu
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znNv8LriV60&t=5074s
>"If you ever curious about how if you want to support livers, the biggest bang for your back, it would be streamlabs and voice packs, then super chats, then merch. In that order."

>Maria
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkVYRpDtrNY
>"Best way to support streamers would be streamlabs and voice packs"

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:48:33 2023 No.49030852 >>49030800 Too bad nobody needs a voicepack.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:50:26 2023 No.49030972 >>49030852 what kind of cope is this?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:50:30 2023 No.49030977 >>49030639 >have minimum wage job >make 4x the monthly holo salary breh

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:53:15 2023 No.49031134 >>49030977 That’s infinity x Niji salary holy shit

Anonymous Tue May 9 01:53:28 2023 No.49031150

>>49030589 shit forgot a line I think
KEPT THE FUJOS DEEP INSIDE AND EVEN THOUGH I TRIED, THE BAIT FELL APART
WHAT I SPENT ON THESE WILL NEVER BE THE SAME MEMROIES OF THE TIME I TRIED SO HARD
>>49030589
>I shilled so hard
>And sold crap merch
>But in the end
>It doesn't even matter
>I had to yab
>To get 2 percent
>But in the end
>It doesn't even matter

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:53:36 2023 No.49031158 >>49027980 So I just checked with some sketchy online tax calculator and it seems like he's made about 70k pounds. And this is one of their top earners???

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:54:25 2023 No.49031203 >>49028902 Wait, morurun chan saw the 1% coming? It can't be true, unless...

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:54:55 2023 No.49031236 >>49030852 Nobody "needs" anything vtuber related.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:55:16 2023 No.49031256 >>49031134 is this some gotcha when a lot of nijis only stream part-time?

Anonymous Tue May 9 01:55:54 2023 No.49031295

>>49028939
When vtubers are phoning in their merch shilling than it's safe to say they are getting a low percentage. I have seen enough Hololive collabs where they had zero enthusiasm for shilling the merch. Nijisanji takes it further since their talents are easier to replace but none of these corpos are running a charity.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:57:00 2023 No.49031371 >>49030800 So if voice packs are 50% and merch is 2% what the ever loving fuck do they get in supas?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:57:55 2023 No.49031435 >>49024133 By looking that over 1 B and yacht It's true BlackColor

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:58:17 2023 No.49031454 >>49024522 One, two, three? Where's the other 97?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:58:28 2023 No.49031466 >>49026704 >just out your sources and make yourself unable to ever get anyone coming to you with info bro

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:58:46 2023 No.49031486 >>49031371 ~30%, probably

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:58:58 2023 No.49031498 >>49031371 12.5%

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:59:09 2023 No.49031509 >>49027695 2% is DOUBLE 1%. Thats a HUGE difference!

Anonymous Tue May 9 01:59:36 2023 No.49031536

>>49031203
>Moruru
>weird model
>bullied by coworkers
>most of her income goes stright into Riku's pocket
>stagnant workplace
vs
>Hime-sama
>beautiful model by one of the most based illustrators
>no bullies
>fair share of income
>lots of promo campaigns

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 01:59:38 2023 No.49031538 >>49031371 50/50 after Youtube's 30% cut.

Anonymous Tue May 9 02:00:14 2023 No.49031587
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>ame, haachama turned off their superchat
>some holomems barely care about their merch sales
>some holomems barely even stream
>streaming is hooby at this point for holomems
Seriously, how much they got from their salary?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:01:02 2023 No.49031630 >>49030653 Hss to be, otherwise why the fuck would they still be there? New lot undoubtedly get shafted.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:01:51 2023 No.49031678 >>49031587 Salary is very minimal, it's all about merch sales for Holo. Hence why they have no incentive to stream.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:01:56 2023 No.49031684 >>49031587 Actually I'm curious how much money they make from concert sales

Anonymous Tue May 9 02:01:58 2023 No.49031690

Am I correct in assuming that the 1-3% given to the Nijisanji members from their merch is taken out of the total cost of sale, rather than the ratio between the company and the talents themselves? So a certain percent goes back to the people who actually designed and made the merch, a certain percent to the storefront, a certain percent to Nijisanji, and the remaining one to three percent to the talents?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:02:46 2023 No.49031744 File: 59 KB, 300x346, 1600819796754.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>49031678 >Salary is very minimal Source?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:02:48 2023 No.49031746 >>49031587 high enough where they don't want to be bumped up to any higher tax bracket. This is the power of good b2b relations btw, has less to do with streaming than it does good brand imaging.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:03:00 2023 No.49031760 >>49030653 They probably have a share in anykyara, so I guess they are stealing money directly from Riku's yacht fund.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:03:01 2023 No.49031761 >>49031536 You left out. >Nijidrones harassed her for abandoning Nijisanji for Hololive

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:03:12 2023 No.49031773 >>49031150 Beautiful man, just beautiful.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:03:40 2023 No.49031804 >>49031203 What do you mean saw coming? She's ex-gamers, she lived through Kuzuha's 2019 era 0% merch cut. Always remember that hololive was still a shitter company when she moved.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:03:45 2023 No.49031811 >>49031538 That's holos' deal. Considering what's being found out about Nijisanji I'm going to just assume it's less favorable than a halfsies split from the remainder after yt's cut.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:03:56 2023 No.49031826 >>49031295 >No proof

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:04:00 2023 No.49031832 >>49029215 /vt/ is stuck in 2020 anyway

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:04:19 2023 No.49031846 >>49031509 >Huge difference If each of them is selling millions of dollars in merchandise each year

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:04:50 2023 No.49031887 >>49030763 This might be why management is constantly monitoring Niji RMs, they don't want their talents encouraging people to bypass their cuts from donos.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:06:41 2023 No.49032008 >>49031746 Cover allows the girls to withhold part of their paychecks to fund their projects further down the line (to avoid paying double taxes) as well.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:07:01 2023 No.49032031 >>49031587 They are making a bank on promos. game collabs, concert stuff, etc. I think it was Coco who said that supas are just a drop in the bucket of holo's income, and that bitch got like a million in supas after all cuts.

Anonymous Tue May 9 02:07:17 2023 No.49032045

>>49031887
This is the part I don't get, like how is the corpo so retarded and so hamfisted with this that it doesn't know to offer both options and financially incentivize talents so they stay on the corpo's pay scale/system instead of doing their own.

Anonymous Tue May 9 02:07:47 2023 No.49032081
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>>49031690
Nijisanji typically uses their own storefront for merch.
https://nijisanji-store.com/
So it's more like the livers get 5-10% and then it's a 50/50 split between Anycolor and whoever manufactured the merch. Of course that's after considering manufacturing/shipping costs themselves, so it's normal for merch to have a relatively low profit margin even in other industries.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:08:21 2023 No.49032116 >>49031887 I'd believe it. I'd also believe that they put more resources into this montoring of rm's rather than into the actual proper fucking management of their livers.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:09:04 2023 No.49032160 >>49032045 Because they are a black company.

Anonymous Tue May 9 02:10:37 2023 No.49032252
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>>49031746
Yeah, i think holomems are genuinely idols (read: entertainers).
That's why when pekora mentioned about cover's work ethics to some niji livers, they find it weird. Because to them, being vtuber is no different than being a streamer.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:11:04 2023 No.49032284 >>49032081 >So it's more like the livers get 5-10% You're too late negrosanji intern-kun. Everyone in the world knows it's 1% now, you slow retard.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:11:19 2023 No.49032302 >>49027575 this is what i came to this thread for

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:11:26 2023 No.49032306 >>49031690 If its gross it more or less breaks down that way. If its net expenses are paid before calculating the split.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:12:05 2023 No.49032358 >>49032081 Except this is cope as fuck like holy shit this is cope to the moon. Merch is high profit margin in almost all industries including Vtubing.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:12:31 2023 No.49032386 >>49032008 NijiEN can do the same, Millie talked about it a couple of weeks back.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:13:21 2023 No.49032431 >>49031690 aren't merch supposed to be high margin product?

Anonymous Tue May 9 02:14:20 2023 No.49032487

>>49024133
(Verse 1)
It starts with one sale
One merch design earned but just a fraction
Of what it's worth, Nijisanji takes the rest
And with their profits, they keep on expanding
But in the end, their Vtubers are left with scraps

(Chorus)
I tried so hard to sell it all
But in the end, it doesn't even matter
I had to grind just to make a dime
But in the end, Nijisanji takes 99%

(Verse 2)
They promised more when we signed up
A fair share of the profits that we bring
But now we see the truth of their greed
They make the rules, and we just follow along
But in the end, we know where we stand

(Chorus)
I tried so hard to sell it all
But in the end, it doesn't even matter
I had to grind just to make a dime
But in the end, Nijisanji takes 99%

(Bridge)
I put my trust in them to do what's right
But they only care about the bottom line
They take the lion's share, and leave us crumbs
And we're left to wonder where we went wrong

(Chorus)
I tried so hard to sell it all
But in the end, it doesn't even matter
I had to grind just to make a dime
But in the end, Nijisanji takes 99%

(Outro)
In the end, we'll remember what they did
And we'll move on, find new ways to live
But the scars will remain, a reminder of the past
And we'll never forget the price we paid at last.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:14:32 2023 No.49032498 >>49029547 Being 42,000 pounds in debt is so fuuuucked

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:15:05 2023 No.49032533 >>49029547 Still fucked, but at least unrelated.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:15:07 2023 No.49032537 >>49032081 Source: Trust me bro.

Anonymous Tue May 9 02:16:07 2023 No.49032603

>>49032031
Unironically a black company. They love the money their talents bring, they know other they can attract other people with a promise of wealth, but they don’t want a single dime going anywhere else if they can stop it.
Like even Hololive IIRC doesn’t care about roommate activities, the JPs still stream and can also make a living fine on their alts, even Mori and Kiara can too, but I think Cover does a good job making them happy enough that they still want to come back.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:16:23 2023 No.49032622 >>49032431 Yes vtuber merch is sold at scam prices.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:17:08 2023 No.49032674 >>49032603 Shit meant to reply to >>49032045

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:18:17 2023 No.49032743 >>49032431 Yes it is the new Nijicope. Like fuck me. That is the dumbest ass take ever heard.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:18:46 2023 No.49032780 >>49028993 Yeah I heard some nijiJP fans mentioning that Nijisanji has a lot of its own fair share of shitty history. Starting to see why now many years later...

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:19:04 2023 No.49032806 >>49032603 notMori pretty blatantly said that they don't care as long as she doesn't directly name drop "Hololive" or "Cover" and associate herself with them publicly.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:20:10 2023 No.49032883 >>49032431 maybe for anyone else that's not niji? Niji makes their own merch and doesn't pay third parties to make it for them like other companies

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:21:42 2023 No.49032993 >>49032883 >Niji makes their own merch and doesn't pay third parties to make it for them like other companies Were... Were you not here for the merch copying debacle Niji had like a year and a half ago?

Anonymous Tue May 9 02:21:51 2023 No.49033004 [DELETED]

>>49030704
>If they buy 100 keychains she'll get $100.
If at $100 per keychain. Actually not even that if it's 1% of profits.

If I spend $100 on my oshi, and found out she only got one dollar from it, I'd be pissed. But not Nijifans. They truly love their black corp over their talents. Reminds me of the Chinese. Is that why I keep seeing them bringing Coco back up?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:23:16 2023 No.49033116 >>49032993 what does that nothingburger have to do with their generic keychains and acrylic stands

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:23:24 2023 No.49033130 >>49032252 I mean a lot of them get pulled away from streaming for recordings of a bunch of shit

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:24:42 2023 No.49033226 >>49028939 Okay but doesn't that isreali group give them their full profits?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:25:02 2023 No.49033256 >>49032883 >Niji makes their own merch and doesn't pay third parties to make it for them like other companies They own textile factories and factories that churn out plastic crap? Really? Nijisanji does?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:26:47 2023 No.49033371 >>49030977 are you retarded? that is base salary + salary from superchat, merchs and sponsors. keep trying hard to cope nijifaggot.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:27:07 2023 No.49033389 >>49033116 >nothingburger nijinigs going through copium overdrive right now lmao absolutely BUTTBLASTED holy

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:27:34 2023 No.49033425 >>49024133 nipasento

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:27:45 2023 No.49033437 >>49033256 It's china. Sweatshops are their specialty. Even westnoids go to china to have their stuff made for cheap.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:27:46 2023 No.49033441 Still better than Vshojo's 0%. NijiEN has no voluntary graduations while Vshojo just had three. It can't be as bad as what holobronies/dramafags wish it to be.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:28:39 2023 No.49033509 >>49033437 Nijisanji owns factories in china?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:29:08 2023 No.49033543 >>49028188 >uh, he's lying >uh, but also both companies do it >uh, but also it's okay that they do it anyway

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:29:18 2023 No.49033549 And I find it kinda Niji, I find it kinda sad The streams in which I'm yabing are the best I've ever had I find it hard to sell you, Merch for them to take When rainbow in a circle, it's a very, very Mad world, mad world

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:29:30 2023 No.49033570 >>49033004 But nijiniggers are pissed, they spend 100$ and only 99$ goes to their oshi pocket, and a bitch take one dolars each time for some reason. How their oshi will fucking be able to buy another yach?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:29:39 2023 No.49033586 >>49033441 Vshojo is an agency in denial not a corporation.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:29:44 2023 No.49033590 File: 39 KB, 720x960, 1653502745212875.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>49033437 >It's china why would that matter?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:29:52 2023 No.49033600 >>49033441 >BUT WHAT ABOUT

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:30:31 2023 No.49033639 >>49033570 kek had me going there

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:30:47 2023 No.49033658 >>49033441 Neither Silver, Vei or Nyanners graduated, also, according to both Nyan and Vei they made enough money to not need donations anymore (Doubly so for Vei since she's Milking someone that makes thousands per stream)

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:30:52 2023 No.49033667 >>49033441 holy cope

Anonymous Tue May 9 02:32:56 2023 No.49033813

>>49028993
>Created new gen > growing the fanbase
>Graduated the low performing > some might leave but many will stay and converted into Tourist
>EVENTS/TOURNAMENT!!! > Niji tourist flock into the big events stream result it BIG NUMBERS
This what Riku talking about "Short Team Gain" & "Forced Acquired Fan"

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:34:18 2023 No.49033902 >>49033813 Now understand how many nijiniggers have nijisanji as their oshi. It's religion at this point.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:34:22 2023 No.49033909 >>49033658 That has nothing to do with the fact that Vshojo pockets 100% of the merch money for themselves.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:35:17 2023 No.49033980 Didn't Nijiniggers used to say most of their talents money comes from Merch back in 2020-2021? I hope someone makes a collage of that bullshitery.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:36:04 2023 No.49034035 >>49033590 It always matter. One china principle/policy/w/e. China never does anything without the influence of their government.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:36:13 2023 No.49034044 >>49033902 >It's religion at this point. Like MLM's. Cultish. Disgusting.

Anonymous Tue May 9 02:37:05 2023 No.49034102

>>49032883
When hiring third party to make product, you don't actually know how much it cost to make and instead the cost of goods is the price the third party ask, that price include the third party's profit and they got paid based on how many goods they made which is based on your order.
When you make it in house the cost of goods is whatever it cost you to finish making the product, this include materials, labour, overheads, etc, but no third party profit, because you didn't hire them, which should mean lower cost, which mean higher margin.
tl;dr you made no sense

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:37:16 2023 No.49034114 >>49033590 based as fuck, kill CN branch and still have butthurt chinese make their merchs.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:37:36 2023 No.49034135 File: 82 KB, 974x969, 1674795326663923.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>49031454 kek

Anonymous Tue May 9 02:37:37 2023 No.49034139

>>49032883
>>49032993
>>49033116
This is even fucking worse if they make their own merch. Generally making your own merch means that you benefit 100% from the revenue of said merch. It also means you are the ones setting production prices and costs. Meaning you receive 99% of the profits...

That is just cartoonists nonsensical on Nijisanji's part.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:37:58 2023 No.49034162 >>49033909 And that has nothing to do with Nijisanji.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:38:01 2023 No.49034168 >>49033902 >applies literally any streamer/company you don't care about

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:38:32 2023 No.49034199 >>49033980 I think it's on nijinigger textwall of copes. Some ogey poster probably have that pasta.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:38:35 2023 No.49034201 >>49031454 RIKU'S WALLET BABY

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:38:57 2023 No.49034226 >>49033441 >sure we had 2 shady terminations b-but we had no voluntary graduations!!! What about KR, ID and JP?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:39:04 2023 No.49034236 >>49033226 >isreali group give them their full profits You know this can't be true, and if it is, it's because of something much more sinister. Such is their nature.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:39:17 2023 No.49034254 >>49033909 And yet they keep 100% of the other sources of revenue (after platform cuts) which is still a better deal than Nijisanji

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:39:35 2023 No.49034267 >>49033813 I'm like this, but with Hololive. I don't watch streams, only 3D. Is niji baseball supposed to induce the same effect? I don't get it, what events is niji doing that attracts tourists?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:39:58 2023 No.49034290 >>49034139 And it made Riku one of the youngest billionaires in Japan, which at the end of the day is probably all he really cares about.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:40:18 2023 No.49034311 >>49031371 Where are you getting 50% from?

Anonymous Tue May 9 02:40:37 2023 No.49034332

>>49034199
Ask and you shall receive

/vt/ Anonymous Thu 04 May 2023 01:30:25 No.48648878View
>>48648760
>Nijicope list
yeah, fuck it, it's been awhile
## NIJICOPE LIST - FULLY SOURCED EDITION
Full list here (includes the removed shitposts, falseflags, schizoposts, non-niji and unsourced copes) : https://rentry.org/nijicopes/raw

** FRAMED IN GOLD - Direct from Anycolor and the Livers themselves **
> #01 Holo's forcibly acquired audience vs Niji's natural slow and steady growth (>>20457274) (>>>/jp/31785447)
> #02 Luxiem/Noctyx earn as much as Holo JP (>>19597187)
> #03 Council didn't do as well Luxiem (>>19597187)

** CLASSIC **
> #04 Nijisanji has SOUL/Quality (>>>/jp/31465719 >>>/jp/35484805 >>>/jp/36325406)
> #05 Nijisanji has better chemistry (>>4962776 >>5591760 >>6383777)
> #06 Nijisanji is building a sub-culture/VTubing culture (>>10983732 >>11015414 >>11105922)
> #07 Superchats don't matter, Nijisanji has more merch sales [no evidence] (>>>/jp/25750975 >>>/jp/30117222 >>>/jp/31524177 >>>/jp/34129071 >>>/jp/34630791)
> #08 Nijisanji has more creative freedom (>>>/jp/25078156 >>>/jp/35915283 >>>/jp/36404268 >>>/jp/36412049)
> #09 Foreign audience bad, local Nips good (>>>/jp/23900990 >>>/jp/31522946 >>>/jp/31923947 >>2689172 >>3342175 >>3343926 >>3555435)
> #10 Nijisanji is more popular than Holo in Japan (>>>/jp/27419919 >>>/jp/29231034 >>>/jp/29352658 >>>/jp/34766571 >>1843302 >>3773035 >>7615028)
> #11 Google trends (>>1787083 >>1784574 >>2871777)
> #12 This will be the end of Hololive/Holobubble will burst (>>10226380 >>10959272 >>11111437)
> #13 YouTube Trends (>>11812348)
> #14 Niji is solidifying their other markets while keeping their strong home market (>>12171645)
> #15 Cover and hololive fans use bots (>>3225905 >>4283312 >>24804708)
> #16 Hololive's restrictive management will cause their talents to eventually graduate (>>8445392 >>11875343)
> #17 Fortune telling a.k.a "J-just wait, Cover will fuck up something someday" (>>14561348 >>14752560 >>14752914 >>21529067 >>22935912 >>23288417)

** NUMBERS **
> #18 Ratiocope (>>5536896 >>8648645 >>13972862 >>14457547 >>20388935)
> #19 Dead cat bounce (>>10959272 >>13922827 >>14015995 >>14198900)
> #20 Quality numbers (>>14001847)
> #21 Just combine the peak CCV of all our streams and we win (>>13902618)
> #22 Statistics are fake numbers (>>15032001)
> #23 Luxiem has a better profit margin than Holofes (>>20201927)
> #24 Vox has the FASTEST SUB GROWTH in VTuber History (>>21373805 >>21374368)

** MERCH AND SPONSORS **
> #25 Holo merch is underproduced to create artificial scarcity (>>>/jp/32410399 >>5902529 >>15489004 >>16388154)
> #26 Holomerch sold out means the company regretted the collab (>>12121308)
> #27 You buy merch - even if it's shit - to support the liver, not to actually use it (>>23937339)
> #28 Sponsorships are retarded (>>12109798)
> #29 Associating with Hololive is toxic for Bushiroad's growth because China (>>19752522)

** IT DOESN'T COUNT **
> #30 Concerts and return streams don't count (>>11676374)
> #31 Outfit reveals don't count (>>14891587)
> #32 Pre-recorded lives are technically premiers and shouldn't count (>>12296330)
> #33 Koshien is not an event (>>12127247)
> #34 Bookwalker doesn't count (>>19629617)

** GENERAL **
> #35 Holocope list (>>12296493 >>12457630 >>14120649)
> #36 Niji is still #1, they just removed it from their webpage to show humility (>>11747638)
> #37 Trailers are the same as advertisements (>>10992803 >>10992938)
> #38 Holo EN was a desperate gambit to find an audience (>>11753740)
> #39 Hololive just got lucky to have clippers and algorithm on their side (>>>/jp/29352541)
> #40 *Selen delusion here* (>>8854844 >>12533326 >>12955114 >>13021182 >>13045705 >>13445167 >>14879823)
> #41 Nijifans are more passionate about their livers and will leave dislikes to show their engagement (>>12085330)
> #42 Trickle down viewers - "The big Nijisanji livers' viewers will trickle down to smaller channels" (>>12755553 >>12755712 >>26476805 >>26704868)
> #43 Nijifans will only watch a stream and Holofans will watch 3-4 so the Niji refresh rate is higher (>>17835784)
> #44 Niji is smart for not wasting money on useless conventions/concerts (>>20202005)
> #45 No true Nijifan - "There are no Nijifans here, only falseflaggers trying to make Nijifans look bad" (>>24913466, >>26079927, >>26102448, >>26685075, >>26702974, >>26688516)

And when all else fails...
> #46 Blatant Lying
> Vox is "higher" than Gura (>>24420454)
> Vox got a bigger billboard (>>24424746)
> Mika is the Queen of ID (>>24426268)
> SEA belongs to Mysta (>>24423909)
> Calling a straight graph a "worm" (>>24427484)

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:41:07 2023 No.49034370 >>49034139 >not having to pay a middleman to make generic merch is somehow bad

Anonymous Tue May 9 02:41:42 2023 No.49034411

One percent, I don't know why
It doesn't even matter how hard I try
Keep that in mind, I didn't design this merch
It's all the same (the same shit)

Waves aren't a valuable thing
Watch them fly by as Riku accelerates
Watch them debut to the end of the week
The numbers of subs go down, it's so unfair (it's so unfair)

Don't look at the blue dorito
Watch their merch sell out the instant
Trying to hold on while Paul Li attacks me
Telling me to improve my numbers (numbers are king)

I am freaking it
And even though I educated myself
My entire career is a yab
When I get graduated my identity
Will be a memory of a time when

I made sisters coom to my rape ASMR
But in the end, I just got graduated
I had a vacation and I lost it all
But in the end, I just got graduated

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:41:43 2023 No.49034414 >>49034139 Making thousands of merch and getting said merch to thousands of worldwide customers and still getting 100% of the profits. When you have slaves that don't need paying.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:42:36 2023 No.49034470 >>49024133 "You can have your vtuber in anycolor, as long as it's black." -Tazumi Ford

Anonymous Tue May 9 02:42:43 2023 No.49034479

>>49034290
See I can forgive Riku since at the end of the day he won. He is a billionaire. It's the cope from the fans and lower management trying to explain why "Keeping 99% of the merchandise profits is a good thing! And actually companies don't make much in the first place from merchandise!"

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:43:00 2023 No.49034508 File: 66 KB, 1120x977, 1678641367935422.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>49034411 loled so hard I cried

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:43:38 2023 No.49034555 File: 566 KB, 633x671, 1593954792071.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>49034332 >You buy merch(and voice packs) to support the liver with the high profit margins, not to use the goods you buy. How embarrassing

Anonymous Tue May 9 02:45:26 2023 No.49034673

>>49034267
Niji has been doing tournament spam to attract tourists, at this point they're doing 2-3 tournaments a month. They recently took over popular previously talent-run events as well.
Niji U for example was a free 3-4 hour massive concert organized by Rindou and Niji took it from her and put it behind a paywall. They took Kenmochi's MK8 tournament and he even said that he doesn't really want to organize events anymore iirc.
Mayuzumi was another big organizer for them but he quit because he didn't like the direction the company was headed.

Anonymous Tue May 9 02:45:42 2023 No.49034691
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>>49034332
>> #07 Superchats don't matter, Nijisanji has more merch sales [no evidence] (>>>/jp/25750975 >>>/jp/30117222 >>>/jp/31524177 >>>/jp/34129071 >>>/jp/34630791)
Sweet.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:46:05 2023 No.49034718 >>49034332 >Nijisanji is more popular than Holo in Japan I thought that one was true, at least it was.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:46:27 2023 No.49034745 >>49026256 1-3% sounds grossly negligent. At most, merch is 1/3 manufacturing, 1/3 shipping/handling/logistics, then 1/3 profit. So even for the least cost effective merch, talent should be getting 10% at the very least.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:46:31 2023 No.49034750 >>49034411 lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:46:37 2023 No.49034758 >>49030972 It's not a cope, you're mentally ill if you actually bought a fucking voice pack.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:47:02 2023 No.49034784 >>49034673 Last time I check, pekora ain't niji. might be wrong though. I've seen clip thumbnails of her with a rando niji.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:48:04 2023 No.49034863 >>49034745 It's actually 1-3% of that 10%.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:48:43 2023 No.49034912 >>49034718 It was true back in 2018.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:50:10 2023 No.49035028 You know what? I believe the EN livers when they say Niji is family. There's no way you'd stick around otherwise.

Anonymous Tue May 9 02:50:15 2023 No.49035032

>>49034414
Again as a capitalist I can't hate the hustle. But damn Nijicope is fierce.

>It's actually a good thing we barely comp the talents you see Riku makes more money that way. And that's a good thing!
>Encouraging talents to make creative and fun merch is dumb. All merch needs to be soulless and made in house.
>Well you see merch is actually low margin.

My goodness. This is like mind poison to Nijicopers.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:50:17 2023 No.49035035 >>49033980 >>49034332 Okay so I was kinda wrong they mentioned just Nijisanji benefiting and not the talents...

Anonymous Tue May 9 02:50:21 2023 No.49035041

>>49034470
The joke is that not even Fordqq "only had black". The Model-T was offered in a slew of colors including blue and green and yes, black among others.
Fucking model-t cliché is less black than blackersanji the black company for honorary blacks like kyo the wigger that keeps their ceo perpetually in the black at their own personal expense.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:50:35 2023 No.49035058 >>49034758 same but for any of these jap themed vtuber merch. Who the fuck needs a bento box when you're not japanese

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:51:17 2023 No.49035123 File: 112 KB, 510x2145, 1663027009790044.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:52:33 2023 No.49035216 >>49035123 It's funny how quickly that changed.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:53:07 2023 No.49035260 >>49034479 >I can forgive Riku I can't, I hope the heartless sociopath gets rectal cancer

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:53:27 2023 No.49035290 >>49035123 >most of it is still correct to this day in 2023 Wow, hololive needs to catch up

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:53:52 2023 No.49035320 >>49035216 It was always seen as conjecture back then too.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:54:38 2023 No.49035374 >>49035123 Half of it was a delusion to begin with.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:54:49 2023 No.49035390 >>49031158 Christ imagine whoring yourself out to chinks and fujosisters for the equivalence of a 3-years-of-experience IT or database job

Anonymous Tue May 9 02:54:53 2023 No.49035395

Apparently the biggest source of revenue for vtubers are voice packs, superchat has always been known to be a drop in the bucket for them but also apparently merch is not that profitable for them either. The revenue from merch obviously also had to go to the manufacturers/distributors, but the vutber companies apparently take a big cut as well making merch probably matter as little as superchats for vtubers themselves. Not to mention for Hololive especially merch sales are undoubtedly down outside of JP considering the retarded shipping costs. Aside from buying their voicepacks, streamlabs is apparently the 2nd biggest way to support them as streamlabs does not take a cut so that completely gets rid of the 30% that YouTube takes. Never understood why Hololive completely killed pushing streamlabs, aside for the ID branch, cause it seemed like many members who were demonetized wanted it yet it never took off for JP and even EN now.

Anonymous Tue May 9 02:55:49 2023 No.49035466

>>49035123
>Lulu graduated specifically because of how Nijisanji handled the situation
>Roa
>Nijisanji fans attacking hololive talents like Luna and celebrating Aloe's graduation before deleting all their posts as the legal hammer came down
>Nijisanji KR
>Nijisanji EN... I mean IN

Anonymous Tue May 9 02:57:54 2023 No.49035618

I have spent so much money on Nijisanji merch it's not even funny. Most of the merch is pretty shitty, the default corpo managed birthday packs suck and the merch is overpriced for how low quality it is, the shipping system is bullshit and they'll offer you one shipping rate and then send you a bill for hundreds of dollars extra months later if they offered the wrong shipping to begin with (happened to me), they're selling cheap china shit but hey, here I thought I was supporting the talents I loved.

Fuck Nijisanji as a company.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:58:42 2023 No.49035687 >>49035466 You forgot to add Nijisanji ID too

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 02:59:29 2023 No.49035741 >>49035395 If you want to believe the merch leaks from the Hololive store, Council members all made around ~$220k USD each without accounting for geekjacket sales.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 03:01:50 2023 No.49035919 >>49035618 pretty sure niji shipping is cheap so who are you fooling

Anonymous Tue May 9 03:03:40 2023 No.49036055

>>49033116
Point is, dumbass, they outsourced that merch to a chink company that copy pasted the same designs from other products. Therefore, I'm more keen to believe that the generic merch they provide is similarly outsourced to a third party rather than believing they make their own merch.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 03:04:04 2023 No.49036082 >>49035919 >shipping >cheap 2019 called they want thier logistics network back

Anonymous Tue May 9 03:06:01 2023 No.49036243

>>49035741
I habeeb it. What's not a stretch is Japanese incompetence in regards to website coding. Leaks were available in previous years too more consistently until some leddit troon broke containment and got them to patch the issue; it's how it became known that say Miko accrued $500k++ off of merch alone one season.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 03:07:27 2023 No.49036337 >>49032993 nijiniggers don't care about facts.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 03:11:05 2023 No.49036619 >>49036055 retard logic but ok

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 03:11:48 2023 No.49036669 File: 39 KB, 843x563, 136622540468.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] MERCHANDISE BROKEN MY HARD WORK IS STOLEN I GET TWO PERCENT FROM THE SAAAAALES I DON'T KNOW THE REASON FOR FINANCIAL TREASON WITHOUT EVEN A MONTHLY WAAAAAAAAGE

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 03:12:03 2023 No.49036690 >>49028188 >source? >here >THAT ONE DOESN’T COUNT

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 03:28:47 2023 No.49037877 >>49031454 That is for Riku's yacht anon, get real

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 03:32:15 2023 No.49038154 File: 350 KB, 500x300, 1679138026577472.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>49036669 kek 10/10

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 03:34:01 2023 No.49038282 File: 14 KB, 344x344, Lui Takane 26.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>49036669 kek

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 03:42:33 2023 No.49038878 >>49030267 Someone please actually rap this

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 03:43:42 2023 No.49038978 >>49024522 Still better than Genshit gacha rate

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 03:44:57 2023 No.49039073 >>49024133 >>49027575 >>49030267 >>49030589 >>49031150 >>49032487 >>49034411 >>49036669 Here are your (You)s Somebody save this legendary thread. It's /vt/ history

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 03:46:25 2023 No.49039183 File: 323 KB, 619x527, ame wheeze.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>49036669 holy shit

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 03:49:41 2023 No.49039454 >no salary or even a general idea of what you might make. >only 1% off merch sales. Doesn't this seem like slavery? I could understand 30% if you factor in company cut and cost of manufacturing but this is really low.

Anonymous Tue May 9 03:52:03 2023 No.49039609
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>>49036669
THERE WILL BE MORE WAVES
THE MAN ON TOP ACCELERATE
THIS NEXT WAVE WILL
SURELY WONT GO UP IN FLAMES

BECAUSE THIS COMPANY DON'T GIVE BACK WHAT THEY TAKE
OH NO, THERE WILL BE MORE WAVES
IT'S THE ONLY THING I'D EVER KNOOOOOOOOWN

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 03:55:32 2023 No.49039828 >>49034332 KEK

Anonymous Tue May 9 04:04:04 2023 No.49040340
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>>49036669
A MISERABLE PLACE (PLACE)
WITH MANDATORY BREAKS (BREAKS)
TAKE TWO WEEKS FOR YOUR BRAIN TO HEAL
THE MANE-CHANS SPITE IF YOU SO MUCH AS FIGHT
THE ONLY THING I KNOW FOR REAL

THERE WILL BE MORE WAVES
THE BLACK COMPANY NEEDS WAY MORE SLAVES
THE ONLY ONES LEFT
WILL TALK SMACK BEHIND AND STAB YOUR BACK
CAUSE YOU'RE NOT PART OF THE INNER CIRCLE

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 04:05:05 2023 No.49040406 File: 411 KB, 500x375, 1677814840667354.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>49039609 >>49040340

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 04:08:57 2023 No.49040663 File: 1.63 MB, 1308x2839, Vergil_DMC5.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I AM THE ONE PERCENT APPROOOOOOOACHING...

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 04:09:21 2023 No.49040696 >>49033590 Retards never realized that merch are mostly made in china roru

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 04:11:13 2023 No.49040807 >>49034370 ....it's bad because despite not having to pay a middleman, they still give a really low percentage to the livers

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 04:13:21 2023 No.49040918 Huh im surprised people from here still dont know this? One of the jp livers already hinted this a few months back (forgot if it was akane or toko) on how they also dont get percentage revenue from songs and concerts and instead get a fixed amount.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 04:15:43 2023 No.49041039 File: 248 KB, 282x282, pekomoon.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>49036669 kino

Anonymous Tue May 9 04:17:23 2023 No.49041142

>>49040918
People knew that the merch cut was bad, since livers have always said so. The issue is there's a difference between "merch is the least effective way to support a liver" and "they basically get nothing from merch". I thought it was, at worst, a 10-15% cut.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 04:21:28 2023 No.49041399 >>49040663 SUPPOOOOOORTING BLACK COMPANY SLAVE STREAMERS.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 04:21:52 2023 No.49041423 Thanks for the reaction vid materials guys

Anonymous Tue May 9 04:25:37 2023 No.49041643

niji just reminds me of those video game companies that spam gacha games.
> Release a gacha game
> Get 80-90% of all lifetime earnings in the first few months
> Dont invest anything back into the game
> EOS a year in
> Release a new gacha game

Good for the company, but crap if you're the discarded product

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 04:26:02 2023 No.49041677 >>49041142 I mean if Kuzuha their top liver gets 0% cut on almost all of his merch what makes people think that the others would get 10-15%?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 04:26:40 2023 No.49041717 >>49041423 Put me in the vid.

Anonymous Tue May 9 04:27:40 2023 No.49041781

>>49041643
I mean its a viable strategy
>get a couple of subpar and untalented people and expose them to a huge audience through you brand
>now they wont quit no matter how shitty the contract is out of fear that they wont have as big of an audience without the brand

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 04:30:00 2023 No.49041904 >>49024133 What do (you) guys think is a good cut of merch and a good cut of donations for a VTuber agency? (obviously not whatever niji has but what do u think the minimum should be?)

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 04:30:09 2023 No.49041912 >>49041643 I can smell the salt of a princess connect fan in this post

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 04:30:23 2023 No.49041929 File: 57 KB, 664x636, TheSheepThatLaughs.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Put me in the screencap or vid.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 04:32:01 2023 No.49042025 >>49024133 Hahahahahaha

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 04:33:33 2023 No.49042110 >>49035123 >mental health department >negotiable contracts >management that actually works for talents and not against them >safe work environment >takes quick action against antis great company indeed, damn

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 04:33:45 2023 No.49042121 File: 113 KB, 1280x720, dmc5vergilblogroll-1601210534500_160w.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>49041399 I AM A STREAMER WITH NO FAAAAAAAAAAAAME MERCH IN FLAMES I HAVE BEEN KEK'ED MY COMPANY ONLY SPLITS ONE PERCENT!!!!

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 04:40:39 2023 No.49042499 >>49041912 nta but i though he was talking about those shitty mobile "strat" games that get abandoned after a year like that dragon one also what happened to princess connect

Anonymous Tue May 9 04:42:07 2023 No.49042583
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>>49036669
WEEK OF SUSPENSION, DUST SETTLES ON MY PAGE
WITHOUT A SUPA, THE CHUUBA HAS GOT NO WAGE
OUT OF THE YAB PILE, THE RAINBOW RISES STILL
TWO PERCENT'S CALLING, TO ALL NIJIS TOLD TO SHILL

HERE I AM, 3VIEW AND CLIQUELESS
WAITING TO SHILL YOUR PROMOTION
ON MY OWN, UNMANAGED TALENT
A NIJISANJI PRODUCTION

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 04:42:45 2023 No.49042619 >>49042499 deader than Nijien. Like literally terminated and buried

Anonymous Tue May 9 04:45:06 2023 No.49042754
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WHEN THIS BEGAN
THERE WAS NO MONEY TO MAKE
AND I GET LOST IN THE NOTHINGNESS INSIDE MY PAY
(I'M BEING USED)

AND I LET IT ALL OUT TO FIND
THAT I'M NOT THE ONLY CHUBBA WITH THESE THINGS IN MIND
(BLACK COMPANY)

BUT ALL THAT THEY CAN SEE THE PERCENT REVEALED
CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE HERE FOR THEM TO SHILL
(NOTHING TO SELL)

JUST STUCK, STREAM LABS AND ALONE
THE VOICE PACKS ARE MY OWN, AND THEY'RE ALL THAT I OWN

I WANNA HEAL, I WANNA FEEL WHAT I THOUGHT WAS MINE FOR REAL
I WANNA GET ALL THE PAY I'VE MADE SO FAR
(ERASED ALL MY PAY 'TIL IT'S GONE)
I WANNA HEAL, I WANNA FEEL LIKE I'M CLOSE TO A GOOD DEAL
I WANNA FIND SOMETHING I'VE WANTED ALL ALONG
A CORPO I BELONG

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 04:45:14 2023 No.49042760 >>49041643 I hope bandai goes bankrupt

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 04:45:29 2023 No.49042775 >>49042583 It's "rising" not "rises"

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 04:46:47 2023 No.49042847 >>49042619 rip

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 04:48:45 2023 No.49042955 >>49042775 >Out of the ashes, the eagle rising still ESLchama...

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 04:49:44 2023 No.49043020 >>49042775 ????????????

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 04:51:32 2023 No.49043108 >>49042955 >OUT OF THE YAB PILE, THE RAINBOW RISES STILL I was talking about this

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 04:51:36 2023 No.49043112 PUT ME ON SCREEN CAP AIEEEEE

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 04:54:17 2023 No.49043239 >>49043108 ESLchama, that's the same structure. If you wanted to use 'rising' you'd need to word it >THE RAINBOW'S RISING STILL

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 05:02:06 2023 No.49043685 >>49024133 I DON'T KNOW WHY

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 05:03:23 2023 No.49043743 >>49043239 I meant in the original sentence is >The eagle rising still And anon change to >The rainbow rises still Which is no longer rhythm with the song

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 05:04:59 2023 No.49043820 >>49024133 mysta bought land, luca and vox both bought houses, millie said she makes enough to live comfortably and donates frequently to charity, so they’re still making money elsewhere

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 05:05:53 2023 No.49043870 >>49043239 ESLchama, don't you fucking know what a nominative absolute is? The anon has a better command over the English language than you will ever have.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 05:08:37 2023 No.49044011 File: 45 KB, 928x324, Screenshot_20230509-120518.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] nijisisters love the company more than the talent themself

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 05:08:54 2023 No.49044036 Lemme be in the screencap

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 05:10:14 2023 No.49044099 If thats all they make from their merch, why the hell would they even want to shill it? Sounds like Nijifans need to stop buying merch since it doesn't really benefit their oshis anyways.

Anonymous Tue May 9 05:10:17 2023 No.49044101

>>49041904
Merch - 60:40 (Talent:Corporation) at the MINIMUM.

Donos - 50:50

They're a talent agency. Without a talent you've got nothing. They can try and get a bigger cut from things like sponsorships, acting gigs, VA roles since they're acting as intermediaries in those situations but merch and donos are made with the strict intention that it goes to support the talent.

Anonymous Tue May 9 05:14:24 2023 No.49044384

>>49044099
thats the thing, they barely shill it on their streams, and nijifans have known the cut from merch has always been the least since the dawn of time. they shill voice packs way more, if i remember correctly from a kanae clip thats the most profitable for them.

Anonymous Tue May 9 05:14:24 2023 No.49044383

>>49044101
>Merch - 60:40 (Talent:Corporation) at the MINIMUM
Id argue more. Closer to 70-75%:30-25%.
Its a well known fact that the Holo talents make the most off their merch. Why expect a talent to shill their merch when they make hardly anything off it? Theres no incentive.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 05:14:40 2023 No.49044401 >>49044101 >merch 60:40 Merch has almost no input from the vtuber. The corporation are the ones who own the IP, make the design and pay for the manufacture/distribution etc. 95% corp is probably fair.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 05:15:26 2023 No.49044456 >>49044011 The lengths nijinogs will go to in order to justify their organs getting fucked over is honestly disturbing

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 05:15:48 2023 No.49044492 >>49044101 Lol you must be a shut in NEET loser. Even your Amerimutt sjw comic artists/writers working for woke mega corps Disney/Marvel and DC don't get that much money. Its like 7-10%

Anonymous Tue May 9 05:16:56 2023 No.49044560

it is well known on the niji jp side that livers earn very little from regular merch. It doesn't affect anything because women loooove buying insane amount of useless plastic/acrylic merchs -- niji male goods price are crazy high on sites such as mercari

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 05:17:02 2023 No.49044567 >>49043820 Sure, just like Gundou with her monthly Italy trip and fancy cruise vacation in the back alley

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 05:20:11 2023 No.49044774 >>49044401 RUMAO. Without the talent it's just a generic piece of plastic. The talent is what gives the design life. Also >defending corpos

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 05:22:35 2023 No.49044918 >>49029417 Why do you think VTA exist? Its their own factory to produce “Nijisanji-standard” Livers. On another note, idols also have similar things like Idol Training School.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 05:26:14 2023 No.49045110 >>49029417 I see I'm not the only person who can't stop watching that scene on YT (I've never even seen the movie btw)

Anonymous Tue May 9 05:26:49 2023 No.49045138

>>49044492
> Comparing an intellectual property to an actor.

Like >>49044774 said, without the person inside it's nothing more than a drawing/asset. The last time a corpo decided that the person inside didn't matter was Kizuna Ai. Her corpse being used to shill for NFTs is really raking in those big bucks right?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 05:31:16 2023 No.49045396 >>49040340 Kinda goes hard in the last verses there Anon.

Anonymous Tue May 9 05:31:26 2023 No.49045407

>>49044774
The talent incurs absolutely 0 financial risk when making merch. They do not pay for the design, manufacture nor distribution of the merchandise and in the case of corpo vtubers are not even the IP owners. The only value they add to merch is advertising. Your argument that the merch is worthless without the talent assumes they own the IP to themselves. Yes, nobody would care about the merch without the talent, but equally, no one would care about the talent without the corp.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 05:31:40 2023 No.49045422 >>49042499 Crunchyniggers happened. PriCone JP is still going strong and topping charts while EN just fucking sharted for some reason.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 05:31:44 2023 No.49045424 File: 483 KB, 639x446, vee1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] feels weird to see all ths shit unfold bros im literally just a sony boi

Anonymous Tue May 9 05:32:56 2023 No.49045501

>>49044101
>>49044383
Try working for real
The next thing you will say is the talents don't need to stream and we should still give them money
If it's for the standard copy paste merch which has no input from the talents nor any involvement except using their characters (do I need to remind you who those IP belongs to?) there's no reason to give that much
A personalized merch is a different thing, though
Something around 70:30 or 75:25 is pretty good considering the talents use their own money to pay the costs
This is only applicable to Hololive, I'm not sure how other agencies work
>They're a talent agency. Without a talent you've got nothing
So why don't they go indie? Because things aren't that simple like you said

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 05:34:00 2023 No.49045551 >>49044918 >Its their own factory to produce “Nijisanji-standard” Livers. I didn't know they have an organ harvesting site in Tokyo

Anonymous Tue May 9 05:34:19 2023 No.49045572

>>49034718
Still true but its purely by brand recognitions, and Hololive is catching-up super fast and they are now neck-to-neck. They have hundreds of livers, you will more likely know someone is a Nijisanji vtuber.

There is also the fact that Hololive really need to do alot more on the merchs and IRL front. Hololive still does not have its own shelfs on Animate for example, while you can find all ID member standees on the Nijisanji shelfs. Cover said they are working on it so there are probably some announcements on this year

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 05:37:23 2023 No.49045750 >>49045501 >t. corpo cuck

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 05:38:09 2023 No.49045787 >>49024133 ??

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 05:38:23 2023 No.49045803 >>49043743 >>49043870 >I'm getting lectured in broken English by multiple SEAtards on how to speak my native language This is absurd, I cackled out loud. This really is an indog board.

Anonymous Tue May 9 05:39:19 2023 No.49045859

>>49035395
Streamlabs are not pushed by Cover because they are afraid of YT’s retaliations. They choose to work with YT instead of pushing for Streamlabs. Streamlabs is also another friction in the cog of trying to get people to donate so its not like the push for streamlabs may end well.

Also Hololive was included several times on YT Japan promo so that move probably helps

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 05:40:44 2023 No.49045949 >>49045803 It's happened to me before as well, its rather funny when they think they are right. KEK.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 05:41:05 2023 No.49045967 >>49045803 >there over 100 esl country >over 20 in sea >all esl post in here must be indonesia this is your brain uses amerifat logic

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 05:41:15 2023 No.49045975 How far away from black company is niji?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 05:43:02 2023 No.49046068 >>49045967 I'm sorry for confusing you with the other little brown men.

Anonymous Tue May 9 05:44:55 2023 No.49046184

>>49031887
The reason Zaion's rm genshin account was targeted was because she received gifts from friends in that account.
Her whole yab started because Anycolor didn't want her to make money as Zaion without taking a cut of it, and just decided to cut her legs off for no reason.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 05:46:22 2023 No.49046265 >>49045967 You're literally all the same to me, who cares.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 05:46:57 2023 No.49046293 >>49024133 Imagine if Cover Corp released a statement saying that they were increasing the pay cut to talents for merch/superchats/something else. They have a prime opportunity here.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 05:47:31 2023 No.49046317 >>49036669 >>49039609 >>49040340 >>49042583 KEK

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 05:48:13 2023 No.49046362 File: 492 KB, 2616x2962, 1660038277724361.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] "Luxiem/Noctyx earn just as much as their successful JP livers" - Finana Biden

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 05:48:14 2023 No.49046363 >>49032431 Yes Which is why VShojo, Nijisanji and VOMS take higher cuts of merch.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 05:48:14 2023 No.49046364 >>49045407 So, Nijisanji is just another Anime company, just that they are getting aspiring streamers instead of expensive seiyuu. Got it.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 05:50:17 2023 No.49046477 >>49045407 That would be all well and good, but preorders and just in time manufacturing is a thing. Considering the well known shittiness of niji merch their overheard for design is negligible. You're overstating their risk.

Anonymous Tue May 9 05:50:31 2023 No.49046490

>>49045422
PriConne JP is not exactly topping charts. Its kinda on the realm Tier three in earnings, FGO Global can pass Priconne.

But that does not excuse Crunchy when YZ still able to keep all Girls Frontline and Neural Cloud server alive, with incomes way less than Priconne’s

Anonymous Tue May 9 05:50:58 2023 No.49046505

>>49045138
What a fucking stupid shut in loser. Why would streamer niggers on YouTube be more valuable than creators. Streamer niggers can't even make/produce the og contents themselves, are bacically leeches. What corpo vtubers can do is either advertise/sell corpo shit or earn SCs. If you hate it but still wanna earn money then just be a solo indie streamer and make your own shit and sell it like indie musicians.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 05:51:23 2023 No.49046522 >>49046364 When it comes to merchandise, yes. Something like memberships, on the other hand, should definitely be going to the talent.

Anonymous Tue May 9 06:01:49 2023 No.49047040

>>49046293
There's about a 90% chance cover corp takes about the same amount.
Idol corporations have been known to take very heavy cuts from merchandise throughout history and before people try to pull
>b-but they make the most from merch
That's because cover don't allow streamlabs, if you buy $100 superchat 30% is going to yt immediately and then from what I've heard if you buy it off of mobile (the majority of YouTube watchers are mobile btw) Then it's an additional 30% from Google/ apple.
Through superchats you lose up to 60% of your sc before the corp splits that in half with you, leaving you with 20% of the original chat.
Even if you make 2% off of merch, you're going to be selling hundreds to thousands of products, this is way more profitable than 20%. You make $600 in superchats on a stream, you get $120 before tax.
Let's say now that Calli sells 1000 t shirts, each are priced at $31, she now makes $620 off of those shirts. that's the equivalent to a single stream before cuts

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 06:04:33 2023 No.49047179 >>49047040 >There's about a 90% chance cover corp takes about the same amount. not really since a lot of them has talked about how they get majority of merch revenue when it comes to personal merch

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 06:04:33 2023 No.49047178 >>49033441 >voluntary graduations oh so you finally admit that Yugo was terminated eh?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 06:04:44 2023 No.49047186 >>49031587 Sponsorships. There's a reason why Ayame doesn't care about streaming because she always gets sponsorships.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 06:06:24 2023 No.49047249 >>49047040 >There's about a 90% chance cover corp takes about the same amount. We already know that's not the case.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 06:07:28 2023 No.49047289 >>49047040 >There's about a 90% chance cover corp takes about the same amount. Whatever helps you cope at night nijicuck.

Anonymous Tue May 9 06:09:13 2023 No.49047367

>>49047179
I literally covered that though.
Even if you get %2 of revenue through merch, you make more than superchats because superchats have 30% that immediately goes to Google and another 30% that goes to your app store. That's 60% gone, you split that halfway and you make 20%, if you sell 1000 pieces of merch you'll make more than you would on an average stream

Anonymous Tue May 9 06:12:18 2023 No.49047493

>>49047249
If you have a source of how much hololive/cover corp takes id love to see it but until then I'd assume it's pretty close to the same if not the same. Don't underestimate that the merchandise itself is sold at a massive value $20-$30 on average and a lot of fans buy that shit the second it comes out. You'll easily be selling 1k pieces of merch each round at that's a lot of fuckin money.

Anonymous Tue May 9 06:14:32 2023 No.49047585

>>49047367
You're fucking retarded.
You are sitting here trying to argue about how if a month long sales period earns them enough to average ONE streams superchats, then thats great!
No retard, they aren't going to shill the way they do for a fucking grand. And as many people have already told you, most Holomem have already went on record stating they make very good money off their merch. They aren't saying that for 2% of the cut. Your black company is ripping off their talents, and here you sit trying to defend them. Cuck.

Anonymous Tue May 9 06:22:08 2023 No.49047934

>>49047585
Again my friend, you have a month long sales period of merchandise + voice packs, multiple pieces of merch all sold at $20-30
If you sell 1k of a single item, and let's be real here, there's no way that you're selling less than that with how big hololive is, you're earning way more money than you ever would through superchats, even with a %2 earn rate. That's damn good money, as I said earlier, a single $600 stream only gets you $120 before taxes, 1k pieces of merch sold at $31 is $620, and that's just one item. You start looking at $620 + 420 + 420, that's 12x whatever you're making off of superchats for that stream. And you can say
>c-cuck!!!
all you want but that's good money. I'd be shocked shitless though if 1k of each merch was all that was sold

Anonymous Tue May 9 06:24:02 2023 No.49048025

>>49047493
Hahaha...

The last time someone give leaked documents about merch from cover side...
Miko get more $300k to $400k from merch...

How much % did you think cover give to liver from merch...

Time for me to change nickname from kurosanji to SlaveSanji aka (SS) company...

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 06:27:02 2023 No.49048136 >>49048025 Was that from a single sales period and do you have any figures on the amount of merch she sold? Do you know if voice packs were included in that? Do you know how much the merch at the time was selling for?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 06:29:49 2023 No.49048260 >>49045424 That middle one's kinda cute. Any good porn of her?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 06:31:50 2023 No.49048366 File: 79 KB, 522x160, 2312564654897.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>49048025 Miko aint exactly struggling.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 06:33:22 2023 No.49048422 >>49048136 If my brain still good... Its from special edition merch... So that report only from special edition merch... How many seel not remember... Remember its $ not yen...

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 06:37:10 2023 No.49048582 >>49047493 Lamy talking about her taxes after selling out her wine. Her fucking TAXES are in the six figure range anon, so obviously her income is like 2x or 3x of that.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 06:38:12 2023 No.49048613 >>49048366 holy fuck she signed 6000 of those limited set things huh... ENs had maybe 1.5 - 2k tops

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 06:39:24 2023 No.49048665 >>49048366 Nice...

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 06:39:29 2023 No.49048669 >>49036669 >>49039609 >>49040340 >>49042583 absolute kino

Anonymous Tue May 9 06:39:50 2023 No.49048688

>>49048366
That's a lot of sales but it doesn't seem to showcase any cuts at all and I really really really really really really doubt that cover let's you keep 100% of the profits. That's still a shit ton of money though
But even with a 2% figure that adds up to over 26 thousand USD. If she gets sales like this all the time I could easily see her earning 400k a year minimum, because if you take her profit, x2% and then you multiply that 12, you get 316k annually.

To put things in perspective you'd have to earn over 8 million dollars in superchats to meet that

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 06:40:07 2023 No.49048705 If Holomems only saw 2% of the merch sales the entire community would be in flames How come nijifans are defending riku instead

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 06:42:35 2023 No.49048811 >>49048366 Thank miko not liver from SlaveSanji... If she from SlaveSanji she will only get $ 26000... 2% from $1.3 mil = $ 26000...

Anonymous Tue May 9 06:43:29 2023 No.49048850

>>49048582
Again through you have to take into account how much merch she actually pushes and sells. As I said down >>49048688 mito could make a 6 figure range pretty easily while still only earning 2% also keep in mind that lamy is probably talking 6 figures of yen, not USD, unless I'm mistaken, yen is about 1¢ to the dollar.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 06:45:03 2023 No.49048909 >>49048613 But this >>49048688 retard will tell you she signed 6000 of those for 2% cut. Oh yeah, definitely going to risk carpal tunnel for 2%.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 06:47:14 2023 No.49049010 >>49048909 M8, if you got 26k in a single month, a single FUCKING month, do you really think 6k signings is out of the question? You realize that there are jobs in the US that don't even pay 26k a year????? That's 2,860,000 yen rn.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 06:48:08 2023 No.49049051 >>49048850 2% from all hardwork to build community and fans who want buy liver merch... So they charge 98% for branch from the merch... That SS company for you... Btw did you know how hard to build big number fans and member community..?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 06:50:19 2023 No.49049139 >>49047179 >>49047249 Literally addressed why that may not be the case in the post. Where is the reading comprehension?

Anonymous Tue May 9 06:52:41 2023 No.49049237

>>49049051
I can usually comprehend ESL but your last sentence is throwing me for a loop. Also I've pointed out several times in this thread that there's a probable chance that 2% isnt out of the question for hololive either. If the 400k off merch sales was an annual number that's about what her sales figure reaches, give or take around 80k which could be made up for by either including voice packs or more expensive merchandise being released or simply just more sales during a few months. Or all three!

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 06:55:38 2023 No.49049368 >>49047585 Bruh, do you not understand what you are reading? Are you bad at math or something? I hate Niji just as the next person, but this anon actually brought up a reasonable, logical point. A very interesting take about Holo, if true.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 06:56:05 2023 No.49049387 >>49024522 Damn they got triple their profit than OP thought, take that.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 06:57:10 2023 No.49049433 >>49027322 Then why doesn't nijisanji sue him for slander if what he said are FALSE kek

Anonymous Tue May 9 06:57:17 2023 No.49049437

>>49049237
I am already said 400k from single doc...
Its sale from special edition...
Why the hell you talking about months long merch sell...

Its special merch sell... and that give miko $300k - $400k... are you idiot...?
How can special edition sell every month...

You must be idiot if you think cover will sell same mech every month and hope fans will buy it again next month...

>>	Anonymous Tue May 9 06:58:33 2023 No.49049487 >>49049237 Find a better hobby nijicuck. You been sitting here for hours trying to defend this shit like its your job. Or is it your job? Kek.

Anonymous Tue May 9 07:02:33 2023 No.49049681

>>49049437
Okay but was it 300-400k in gross profit or net? If she sold 400k worth of merch, that's great and all but do we have any ideas how much of that she actually earned?
>>49049487
I'm actually just a deadbeat accountant if you wanna know the truth but Im not a stranger to how companies work and so far I haven't really seen any arguments that disprove that you can still earn a shitload of money while only making 2%, especially when the only alternative takes a 80% cut out of earnings that pale in comparison to what you'd make off of merch

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