/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

As somebody that rarely if ever so much as even looks at threads that aren't /NijiEN/, please explain to me why people are so upset about this person joining VShojo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49465630
>person joining VShojo
This is it

[Anonymous No.]

>>49465630
because le ol frendo is n nijiEN and vshojoJP has the chinese repellent, now they anti henya for it

[Anonymous No.]

>>49465630
>abandons her friends to join a company full of snakes
This is it

[Anonymous No.]

>>49465630
I'm not upset about it at all. If anything, I hope Pikamee makes as much money as she can from VShojo.

It's just that a lot of people are trying to use this as reason to support VShojo now and, nah. I dislike Kson more than I like Pikamee, so I refuse.

[Anonymous No.]

Because Vshojo is garbage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49467669
but isn't kson also a dear and close friend to her?

[Anonymous No.]

>>49465630
>threads that aren't /NijiEN/
so you literally have zero standards, got it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49467847
she's the king cobra

[Anonymous No.]

>>49465630
Because much of this board originated from /hlg/ and /hlgg/, and unfounded narratives from 3 years ago have perpetuated in a telephone game into these slanderous monstrosities towards everyone and everything that isn't hololive.
The tribalism is awful out here in the catalog.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49465630
/pol/sisters had convinced themselves that vshojo members and fans had bullied her off the internet
The people who had harassed her over the wizard game were actually a bunch of vtweeters who had nothing to do with vshojo + SJW redditors from gamingcirclejerk who hate vtubers
She was actually quitting in an incredibly unceremonious way at the end of the japanese financial year so that she could join vshojo
Even though it was painfully obvious to anyone who paid any attention at all, they refused to believe it
When she joined vshojo and the members and fans welcomed her, every single part of this retarded theory was proven wrong and their brains imploded

[Anonymous No.]

>>49465826
>because le ol frendo is n nijiEN
Literally who or what is this supposed to refer to?
>vshojoJP has the chinese repellent
Kson? There's no way they're still anti-ing her, is there?
>>49467760
>I dislike Kson more than I like Pikamee, so I refuse.
What did Kson do to make people hate her, wasn't she literally one of the most beloved vtubers in the world at one point in Hololive?

[Anonymous No.]

>>49465630
because her design is pure unfiltered sexo and I'm uooooooooohhing just thinking about that naizuri window

[Anonymous No.]

we NEED more henya threads, three generals and a dozen baits aren't enough

[Anonymous No.]

>>49465630
I'm honestly not, somehow, if you think about vshojo jp as it's own thing, I'm kinda liking it desu.

It kindas remove the entire "DO WHATEVER THE MANAGEMENT WANTS OR YOU WILL BE BLACKLISTED FROM THE INDUSTRY FOREVER AND WILL NEVER MAKE IT ON THE JP SCENE" upper hand that hololive and, specially, Nijisanji have over their talents, and that's a good thing to me.
Sadly, they have to be at least /lig/ material by themselves to have a chance, but it's a good thing in the end of the day.

My only regret is them streaming on twitch, I can't stand that bad excuse of a site desu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49465630
>please explain to me why people are so upset about this person joining VShojo
>joined the same corpo that would throw their coworkers under the bus
>joined at a similar time 3 of their top dogs leave all at the same time due to their contract, the same one that SOMEHOW persuaded her in
>one of the members encourages the same people that likely ACCELERATED her graduation
>joins a branch where 2 of the big shots of the industry barely can garner a third of former viewership, essentially perceived as some retirement home for big names
i'm sure another anon would probably pull up an encyclopedia's worth of vshojo yabs and drama

[Anonymous No.]

>49469037
>muh noombers and unfounded /vt/ rrats
This is why you stay out of the catalog.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49468511
>What did Kson do to make people hate her, wasn't she literally one of the most beloved vtubers in the world at one point in Hololive?

Most of the reasons people have are made up in their heads to justify a more emotional response from not liking her content, but not being able to express it without being associated with the Chinese.

So you'll hear kson betrayed hololive, kson is greedy, kson is a whore, kson hates VTuber, kson wants to destroy VTubing, etc. Basically it's a headcanon that evolved over time, and has manifested itself in their heads. And they spin it further with every new thing.

Doesn't help that one of the most popular kson clippers among EOP is that Iroha guy who does bad translations and clickbaity titles.

Same mechanism for VShojo hate. They know they hate them, and are so deep into it that they forgot the original reasons why they made up more reasons to hate them and don't know anymore what is real or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49468511

The chinese streams of the auditions for the Yakuza game have Kson censored like she was a vagina in a modern hentai. So you tell me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49468465
THIS is the correct answer, OP

[Anonymous No.]

>>49465630
vshojo is bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>49465630
As you may be aware we vtuber simps are the most pathetic excuses for lifeforms
And the only thing as pathetic as blind loyalty to a corporation is blind, frothing rage at anything to do with a corporation
Put two and two together and here we are

[Anonymous No.]

>>49468465
>>49470303
nice revisionism faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>49470769
case and fucking point LOL
sorry pikamee was too busy chasing bag to be your chess piece in the grand game of shitflinging over pointless crap /pol/sister <3

[Anonymous No.]

>>49465630
> explain to me why people are so upset about this person joining VShojo.
-your oshi
-joins the shittiest group
-filled by shiftiest people

[Anonymous No.]

>>49468584
This person is what you would call a schizo who believes the theory that everyone is just tsundere. >>49469800

She was not the most beloved because nobody is the most beloved literally impossible. People hate china so they pretended to love her and to some extent it still happens.
What caused issues was her saying there’s no cons to vshojo and that she wants all vtuber organizations to follow it. That’s an attack on all vtuber organizations especially hololive because that’s the only contract she actually knows.
Then she did an extreme vague post about a corpo stonewalling her for sponsors and collabs which led to more people trying to shit on hololive all for her to reveal it’s nijisanji anyway so the vague posting was stupid.
Last one was her calling western fans and certain corpos slave masters. They would lead to the death of vtubing in under 5 years.
This is what started having both sides shit on her. Especially when 3 members of vshojo quit because of contract problems with her now changing it to her personal contract was good so she had no right to speak about others without knowing that. Also turns out her contract got better after they left so either she lied about having the perfect contract originally or vshojo made her ceo without telling people. Now you’ll have her defense force try to say this is all made up when these are all from her streams

Now you can make your own opinion. You can irrationally hate or love her. Regular hate or love her. Or continue to be normal and don’t let her influence your emotions

The greedy theory came from the fact that she said she didn’t care about money but then joined vshojo to help with selling merch. Turns out it’s always about money

[Anonymous No.]

>>49465630
Vshoujo is the whore twitch thot company full of backstabbers and political people and half its members are leaving
This is the cute wholesome girl who had a very dramatic graduation that made many cry
She left her OG small corp with friends to join a sinking ship with a friend that poached her into it, one with people who support the harassment she previously had plus gets a new sluttier design
You got multiple angles to it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49471698
>saying there’s no cons to vshojo
for her, not anyone else
compared to being indie, not compared to anything else
>extreme vague post about a corpo stonewalling her for sponsors and collabs
obviously that would be chinasanji since they did that even when she was still coco
>calling western fans and certain corpos slave masters
the "slavery" thing was about vtubers who live in fear of schizos, not all fans
she also said it in a joking way after a superchat brought that word up
she did not mention companies at all
>she lied about having the perfect contract
never said that, just that it's good
>she didn’t care about money
never said that, she said that her happiness is more important than money
she constantly talks about money and how it's needed to fund her activities

feel free to send timestamped links if you have proof of anything, but you don't :^)

[Anonymous No.]

>>49469037
>vshojo yabs and drama
okay but why do we care about this
people don't form-fit to their workplace and this isn't even that

[Anonymous No.]

>>49471997
not OP but man
such a heartbreaking story
I swear to god to stay from bitches and whores, they suck

[Anonymous No.]

>>49471258
>-joins the shittiest group
>-filled by shiftiest people
but this has nothing to do with my oshi?
"joining a group" is a buzzword to make people think that a group somehow effects the people inside the group
it does not

[Anonymous No.]

>>49472457
>"joining a group" is a buzzword
holy mental gymnastics

[Anonymous No.]

>>49465630
Froot's still there, so I'll keep my distance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49471698
>That’s an attack on all vtuber organizations especially hololive
It certainly was an opinion. It doesn't seem like it was an opinion Cover cared about, which is fine. Is it really an "attack"? Isn't that too dramatic by half?

[Anonymous No.]

>>49465630
>vshojo bad!
>Kson bad!
>Neko bad!
>worship hololive!
>don't ask questions!!!

[Anonymous No.]

The Kettle has returned. REJOICE!

[Anonymous No.]

>>49473035
that's what I'm talking about, keep the good work

[Anonymous No.]

>>49465630

Because holofags seethe about everything that's not Hololive. When a popular good streamer joins Holo competition they lose it. Especially when they join the corp that has the former Holo SC queen and completely mogs current HoloEN numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49465630
Most drama is really overstated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49465630
>As somebody that rarely if ever so much as even looks at threads that aren't /NijiEN/
Just say you're a fujoshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49473035
This but unironically

[Anonymous No.]

>>49468511
>What did Kson do to make people hate her

Leave Hololive that's it. Back when she was shaving her pussy live they were creaming themselves now when she does something tamer she's turbo whore etc. Corp drones are seriously the dumbest shits alive. This applies to every corp.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49468465

Literally anyone who believed the Hogwarts crap is a sub 80 IQ monkey. 90% of biggest twitch streamers played the game and laughed at impotent twitter harassment. Many actually milked the drama to get more views.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49465630
VShojo is medically proven to raise the blood pressure of the average /vt/ user by 20-30 points.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49465630
You'll understand soon. We're coming for the noodle neck dragon next.

[Anonymous No.]

It's really funny how old members are leaving while Kson keeps bringing her JP friends and giving them loli models. In a year there will be 2-3 original members left LOL.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49465630
People love her, but Vshojo is has a very bad reputation, but Vshojo (((((((JP)))))))) seem different, lets see where will this go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49465630
i just know this anon is a zaionist

[Anonymous No.]

>>49473558
Selen, Pomu and Rosemi leaving for vshojo would be unironically great.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49473614
Kson did a CB stream with Mel, VShojoJP is already unfit for marriage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49473363
Those are big western streamers with knowledge of the tranny harassment and know how to deal with it, unlike pikamee. For someone not exposed to the insane western political climate, it would be overwhelming to suddenly get a bunch of twitter trannies seething at you for simply wanting to play harry potter. Hence why she just went MIA until graduation. If she didn't care, she'd just play it like everyone else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49465630
It shits on the people that supported her and she joined the people that harassed her into graduating
Makes her look like a gigantic hypoctire and a liar

[Anonymous No.]

>>49465630
Because she joining Vshojo pisses off at least 4 different groups.
>dramafags that are mad that she joined the globohomo agency after they white knighted her
>holofags that are mad because she joined vshojo, not holo
>trannies that are mad, because they dindu nuffin
>and a small minority that is upset simply because she abandoned VOMs to join Vshojo

Overral, if she went indie or to any other corpo there would be little to no backlash, but because of Kson, she went to worst possible place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49465630
Vshojo is bad, thats it, thats the reason

[Anonymous No.]

>wave of posts blaming holoGODS
you retards can't even be subtle

[Anonymous No.]

>>49468465
This is the answer, the tourist faggots from /pol/ and /v/ who keep shitting up threads have never even watched her and it's the most obvious fucking shit. Everyone who watched her streams regularly knew she was graduating anyway before the hogwarts thing happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49469037
Who are the 2 big shots ? kson and ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>49473639
Selen would be great for co-op FPS collabs because she can banter while actually making progress in the game. The VShojo girls can't walk and chew bubble gum.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49473724
She wanted to have fun before graduating and twitter freaks attacking her definitely ruined her mood, but it was never anything bad enough to be the actual cause of graduation and everybody with actual brain knew that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49473614
>Vshojo is has a very bad reputation

Everything that's not Cover has a very bad reputation among holo drones.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49473965
Both of the inaugural members of the JP branch held the top superchat spot at some point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49473965
Anon... Before Pika joined VshojoJP had only 2 members... It's not that hard to quess who is he talking about

[Anonymous No.]

>>49465630
sounds like bait
>>49468511
ah that confirms it

[Anonymous No.]

>>49473724
>Hence why she just went MIA until graduation. If she didn't care, she'd just play it like everyone else.
I keep saying this, but the reason I think is that she did care; not about herself being harrassed, but about the thought of hurting someone's feeling by playing the game. She has said many times about how she would never want to hurt anyone for any reason online and her being as sweet as she is it makes sense that she would be so considerate even if they reacted in such a way. People need to stop projecting and think of things from her point of view

[Anonymous No.]

>>49472457
True, look at Niji and pomu, there could always be good people in groups.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49473558
This is as retarded as Selen joining Hololive. The only place for her really would be something like a VSPO EN branch, which unfortunately for her doesn't exist yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49474250
It can be both. She could be spooked by the twitter kid craziness and doesn't play both because she doesn't want to hurt anyone, and was freaked out by them. When these people get angry, they go from 0 to 100 with extremist comments, accusations and often harassment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49468465
>end of Japanese fiscal year
is she trying to dodge taxes for the next year by going with a gaijin company lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>49469017
Vshojo and Jp being seperate entities is the funniest cope in the world from people trying to deal with their favorite chuuba joining Vshojo when nobody in the company lists themselves as part of JP or EN, just as "Vshojo." Their talents on the website are also all listed together as a singular entity. Mouse even a couple of streams ago that Henya was EN and JP. They don't take the idea of this shit seriously at all because as a corpo they're entirely non traditional.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49474955
there's two companies but the talents don't belong to one or the other, they're all in the same group

[Anonymous No.]

>>49469037
>3 of their top dogs
lol
>joins a branch where 2 of the big shots of the industry barely can garner a third of former viewership
I see you only watched coco during her final month after saying she was graduating. Please actually watch streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49471997
Is this copypasta?

[Anonymous No.]

>>49475240
No, it's a nijibot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49475040
>two companies
Homie it's one company. Vshojo. I think you've been misled.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49468465
We all make mistakes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49475456
It still blows my mind that this tiny little thing sent a /vt/ into a seething rage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49475401
vshojo japan is a thing and loutlot is the ceo
they do stuff in japan for vshojo members

[Anonymous No.]

Troons are not people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49475590
Probably because that is saying her coworker who was still being bullied by trannies at the time was at fault? Or you are unaware of the context?

[Anonymous No.]

>>49475713
Loutlot is Kson's manager and the interim CEO entirely for legal reasons (i.e. so that Kson doesn't have to reveal her real name in the documents). All the decisions are actually made by her behind the scenes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49475835
Why don't you walk me through the context you think is behind it, like

>when was it said?
>where was it said?
>what was it a reply to?

[Anonymous No.]

>>49468465
Op, notice how this tranny faggot doesn't even answer your question, but posts the current anti narrative, then replies to itself multiple times.

The reason why troons (not people) are ass and gash mad is that they thought bullying a little girl off the internet was a victory to celebrate. She mustered up the courage to come back and troons are losing what's left of their deranged minds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49475713
I don't know how to tell you this, but Vshojo Japan is not a separate company from Vshojo.
Just for shits and giggles, Gunrun himself was the nararrator in every single Henya lore video.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49471997
>le sinking ship

She had 13k ccv yesterday while HoloEN struggles to break 5k these days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49476162
>HoloEN struggles to break 5k these days.
Holy shit really? Big Indies kick their ass.
What are the average JP numbers? Like the people not named Pekora or Korone or Subaru.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49476162
Debut 37.3k -> second stream 13.8k

Now extrapolate

[Anonymous No.]

>>49474250
No, she saw her mistake, reflected and grew as a person, even ditched her imperialistic, japanese group and joined a progressive corp to support the right cause

[Anonymous No.]

>>49465630
VShojo is the only group where the girls dont pretend to be pure maidens who love the viewers.

99% of the reason vtubing blew up during the pandemic is because all of the incels lost COMPLETE access to women for a time. Previously they could pretend the cute cashier girl or their classmates were in love with them. During lockdown there was a void that was easily and quickly filled by 2D girls designed and organized by a corporation for the sole purpose of monetarily profiting off of incel neets being lonely.

Vshojo girls act like real people instead of pure maidens, which is disgusting to incels and neets who cannot understand another human on an intricate level.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49476342
Aren't all debuts like this? I recall watching gura debut the catshark outfit way back and it beat the shit out of her traditional numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49476479
They literally have Rushia, retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>49476479
Veibae wouldn't be successful if that were true retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>49475834
her manager is mica/mamane
>>49476130
>Shachou: There are a lot of things that can only be done in Japan.
>Shachou: For example, it's much, much easier to find illustrators, mixers, etc in Japan.
>Shachou: So I help the VShojo members get connected with Japanese resources.
>Shachou: Compared to VShojo, VShojo JP is much smaller.
>Shachou: But VTubers are a lot more well-known in Japan.
>Shachou: That makes it much easier to do experiments.
>Shachou: Technically, VShojo JP is a separate corporate entity from VShojo.
>Shachou: So, we can test out ideas.
<Shachou: If it works out, then the EN side can apply what we tried out.

[Anonymous No.]

>nijiEN member does something stupid
>"holy shit NijiEN fucking sucks, no wonder they are all losing viewers"
>vshojo member does something stupid
>"wow what a disgusting company, I hope all their whores become irrelevant"
>hololive member does something stupid
>"What a fucking retard, she brings shame to the company, not like [hololive member I like ]

That's the reason, it is just tribalistic holoniggers, they worship a company to the point everything else is le bad.

[Anonymous No.]

Because she joined THE WRONG CORPORATION
Is my assumption, I don't really give a shit, more upset at yet another episode of having some big spectacle of a graduation only for it to mean fuck all in the end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49476548
And Rushia is doing worse than ever. She is a perfect example. She did great in her previous life because she was in a corpo that wanted her to act like your beautiful lolihebe waifu. She lost her gig because of a meltdown relating to the immersion breaking since shes getting dicked down irl.
Her numbers as nazuna are terrible comparatively because incels already avoid Vshojo, and that was her target audience.

>>49476569
Veibae is only "successful" because she plays the western e-girl role well, which attracts a totally different and far less ravenous fanbase of incels. I guarantee you 80% of her viewers are underaged boys who are discovering hentai for the first time. They will either grow out of her or come to hate her for not being their one and only.

Vshojo girls don't follow an idol style format, idols are the OG incel neet moneyfarms and operate just like the corpo girls. I love to point this all out and watch the incels seethe and reply to try and prove to themselves that its not like this.

Shouldn't you be finding work? How else will you have a paycheck to send to your oshi tonight? You love her don't you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>49470769
but enough about what you're doing

[Anonymous No.]

>>49476584
>it's separate
>I help the en members
If they're members, then they're together.
Kson also said when she joined Vshojo that Vshojo wasn't a company but a group of indies. I don't trust her way of describing the company at all, especially when no one else has said anything to that effect about Vshojo or it's Japanese side. It doesn't match up at all with what is presented immediately in front of our eyes with them all listed as as singular vshojo members under 1 banner which you can go look at right now on the Vshojo website. She sucks at language in general and in both japanese and english.

[Anonymous No.]

You guys having fun here? She has scheduled a stream every day for this week. She is extremely happy to return to streaming as it is the platform where she can achieve her dreams. Today's RE:4 stream was great as she received three raids from big Twitch indies and had tons of fun playing it. Stop looking for petty reasons to hate her, this year has already brought enough drama for her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49477355
She deserves getting hit with a cock

[Anonymous No.]

>>49477288
THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT COMPANIES OWNED BY THE SAME PEOPLE WHO WORK TO SERVE THE SAME GROUP OF VTUBERS
NOT TWO DIFFERENT GROUPS OF VTUBERS
how are you this dumb

[Anonymous No.]

>>49477355
This image is perfect for an edit where she's covered in cum (mine).

[Anonymous No.]

>>49477355
I will anti her while falseflagging as a fan of another company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49477011
>Vshojo girls don't follow an idol style format, idols are the OG incel neet moneyfarms and operate just like the corpo girls
You're right, but they've seen success regardless. Mouse has been a huge success in the west despite having probably 0 unicorns. I'd even say the majority of her fans are shippers of her with Connor/CDawgVA because they're very close and it's incredible obvious they're into each other consistently do cute things now for years.
>Shouldn't you be finding work? How else will you have a paycheck to send to your oshi tonight? You love her don't you?
My oshi is rich, bro. I also don't love people romantically that I don't know, that's fucking weird. How the fuck am I gonna fall in love with a chick I've never even talked to?

[Anonymous No.]

>>49477493
Then it's just one company you stupid faggot. Literally what comes up if you search Vshojo? "A Vtuber company." Not companies. One. Singular. Two groups under one company is still one company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49473363
What the fuck is your point, idiot? We saw her announce the stream, get harassed over it and then cancel it and disappear for a month. You think that was a collective hallucination or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>49477604
I am not saying they aren't successful, I am explaining why people are mad that their oshis are joining Vshojo. That was the OPs question.
People are mad because Vshojo is already known as an idol-less corpo that gives their talents "freedom", incel neets fear women with freedom more than anything else. They want their girls to stick to companies that will heard and direct them like livestock.

Ironmouse is a great example. She does all of the things that Holo/niji/etc girls do EXCEPT act like your personal pure anime wife. She's crude and she is constantly shipped with real men. Her audience doesn't expect her to act like a waifu. Despite her success, Vshojo remains a hated company. It is simple to find the difference.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49477702
are you really so /vt/-brained that you cannot separate the concepts of a vtuber group and a company?
vsj jp is a subsidiary based in japan that handles their japanese business
it has different staff and different contracts because they operate in a very different legal system
this literally nothing to do with how they choose to market the members

[Anonymous No.]

>>49477472
Yeah, mine

[Anonymous No.]

>>49465702
This. Joining a dead end that not only is going to result in worse income than going indie but will make other companies extremely hesitant at best to hire her if/when she realizes she's in a bad spot and tries to fish for a real contract somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49469017
>It kindas remove the entire "DO WHATEVER THE MANAGEMENT WANTS OR YOU WILL BE BLACKLISTED FROM THE INDUSTRY FOREVER AND WILL NEVER MAKE IT ON THE JP SCENE" upper hand that hololive and, specially, Nijisanji have over their talents,
Except nobody "makes it" in vshitshow, and neither holo nor niji is the kind of lockstep environment you're telling yourself that having rules at all means they are. Take your meds, you stupid faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49471698
>The greedy theory came from the fact that she said she didn’t care about money but then joined vshojo to help with selling merch.
Don't forget the tweet looking for a one million dollar contract.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49473056
>became part of the problem
No

[Anonymous No.]

>>49473285
>I ignored everything since she quit holo: the post
>>>/trash/

[Anonymous No.]

>>49465630
Silly little irrelevant people trying to feel important through tribalism and faux moral superiority.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49467760
Stop giving so much of a shit about which company they're a part of.

It really doesn't mean that much that Henya's under the same branding as Kson. Watch Henya, don't watch Kson. It's that simple.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49465630
imagine rosemi getting mad for not having her 3d debut and leaving for a corpo full of roasties

[Anonymous No.]

>>49475401
The JP branch has its own staff which do not deal with the EN side of operations.

And at any rate, the JP vtubing industry is a different beast compared to the West. So VShojo's presence in Japan should be considered differently to its presence in the West.
Over here, VShojo operates like a typical talent agency. It actually isn't very remarkable at all. It's only "different" because of the standard set in this niche by Japanese companies. In Japan, VShojo represents a shakeup in how vtubing companies treat their talents, and as such is more valuable there.

>>49476130
>Gunrun himself was the nararrator in every single Henya lore video
In the English version. There's a different narrator for the Japanese version.

[Anonymous No.]

>>49481234
>In Japan, VShojo represents a shakeup in how vtubing companies treat their talents
Fortunately 774 beat VshojoJP to the punch of having a talent get out with their own model so Vshojo isn't special anymore in Japan, maybe they shouldn't have made that their whole identity

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>>49476275
Botan gets like 13k-25k usually

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>>49481048
That would be great for her to leave Nijisanji, but unfortunate that she has to distance herself from being Rosemi.

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>>49465630
Depends on the demographic. For the dullest subhumans of /vt/ who basically are /vpol/ posters astroturfing, there was an elaborate narrative constructed on spurious at best foundations. Things like vshojo being a black company coopted by trannies with an iron fist, said trannies brigading Pikamee for wanting to play the Harry Potter game to the point where she was inconsolable and took one of her last months off to avoid the hate, etc.

The only verifiable truths are there were weirdos who didn't want people playing Hogwarts Legacy, plenty of receipts for that, and the most mentally ill of them would screech into the void at streamers who played it. Pikamee announced a HogLeg stream, then promptly canceled it when she got some pushback from these people. She didn't really stream that month, but it's not like there was a schedule she was canceling, could just as easily be she was working on vshojo shit and simply did not have the time given how quickly she moved. People shouldn't be harassed for playing a video game, perhaps some of you guys screaming about troons could inform /v/ about this fact one of these days, but there's so little controversy on this vine that I'm still amazed at how much mileage it got.

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>>49481421
Anon, the point isn't to be different from other companies.
The point is to change other companies.
774 letting Patra leave with her identity is the goal.
Now it just needs to happen more.

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>>49465630
Not related to what people are complaining about here. For me it's about all those Vshojo applicants back in November that got doxxed while the company did nothing? Where are any of them anon? Why didn't anyone at risk of getting doxxed join?

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>>49481980
I wish people would stick to substantive critiques like that. Also why is VShojo basically just all nepotism hires, is this a company or a hangout for an in group of friends? And get more people on youtube simulcast or something, twitch should not be the main platform.

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>>49477355
No thanks, I have non-Vsho vtubers to watch instead

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>>49482067
Gunrun doesn't give a shit about Vtubing, he wants money

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>>49481980
>all those Vshojo applicants back in November that got doxxed while the company did nothing
It was a phishing scam and it affected exactly one person, who got in contact with VShojo and had it sorted out.

Everything else surrounding that situation is a mix of miscommunication and Nux being a faggot.

If you're wondering why nobody else has come out of the auditions, well, nobody really knows. But evidence suggests things went sideways behind the scenes. Haruka might be the only one.

>>49482067
All of the EN members started on Twitch and call that site home, so YouTube is kind of an afterthought. For Nazuna, there's some ambiguous "third party" preventing her from streaming on YouTube. Too soon to see about Henya but theoretically there should be nothing stopping her.

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>>49481763
Anon that's Kson's goal, not Vshojo's goal, Vshojo NEEDS to be special as a company or agency to attract people, why the fuck would they want other companies to have the same benefits when they want people to join their company for that one sole benefit

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>>49482570
>Anon that's Kson's goal, not Vshojo's goal
VShojo has a Japanese branch because of Kson.

>>49482570
>why the fuck would they want other companies to have the same benefits when they want people to join their company for that one sole benefit
How do you think talent agencies work in the West, where VShojo's practices are standard?
There's more going on than just "we don't control you."
In the same way there's nothing "special" distinguishing Nijisanji from Hololive. They are structurally similar because they follow industry standard. The difference is in the details and particulars of the contracts they offer you.

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>>49481763
How is recruiting already big talents supposed to accomplish that goal? Kson can say that companies should fund and promote talents from 2views to 4views and then let them leave with their model, but she's not putting her money where her mouth is.

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>>49482847
she did not say that

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>>49482434
Yep, definitely only one person. It's not like people who were doxxed might not want to broadcast that fact or anything

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>>49482879
That's what it means for a big corpo let someone keep their model though.

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>>49482847
Anon I'm gonna be honest, I don't know why you're having trouble understanding this.
You seem to keep adding additional goals and qualifiers that I have never once mentioned and are appending it to the actual topic as if it means anything, and it doesn't.

VShojo talents own their IPs.
The hope is that their presence in Japan will influence other companies to follow suit.
That's it. End of. Simple as. 'Nuff said.

>>49482906
VShojo had a police investigation going on the issue. They confirmed only one person fell for the scam, and Nux is the only other known party to have received the email.
If someone else was affected and didn't come forward, then that's on them.

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>>49482815
>VShojo has a Japanese branch because of Kson.
Is she the CEO now?
>How do you think talent agencies work in the West, where VShojo's practices are standard?
The sole 2 vtuber companies that followed vshojo's way of business imploded, the only western vtubing companies that continue to thrive just follow the eastern practices. And considering vshojo just lost 2 of their biggest talents + 1 more, they are on the road to imploding just the same

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>>49482906
Everybody involved said it was 1 person (actually 2, but Nux was the other one). Everybody else involved was smart enough not to fall for a blatantly obvious phishing scam. It was a small scale, amateurish operation, not the grand online evil ring Nux made it out to be.

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>>49465630
>please explain to me why people are so upset about this person joining VShojo
They aren't. This board isn't representative of the vtuber audience.

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>>49483282
>If someone else was affected and didn't come forward, then that's on them.
Which is highly unbelievable at this point considering how much that blew up. Even if they held back until the auditions were over so they didn't screw their chances, well those ended and nobody came forward. 1 successful dox, that's it.

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>>49483307
>Is she the CEO now?
Yeah, just like how Nyanners is the CEO of VShojo EN.

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>>49483282
Running a scam to send to two specific people? I wonder which explanation makes more sense? Also of course no one else came forward, what was the result of that police investigation again?

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>>49483282
>VShojo talents own their IPs.
>The hope is that their presence in Japan will influence other companies to follow suit.
So the hope is that Japanese companies will change tactics from hiring talented 2views and giving them a massive viewership boost to hiring already big indies or poaching big talents from other companies?
>That's it. End of. Simple as. 'Nuff said.
I'm sorry, this doesn't seem that simple at all. It seems like a bizzare goal to me.

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>>49483307
>Is she the CEO now?
No. But it was her idea to set up a Japanese branch. She came to VShojo, not the other way around.

>The sole 2 vtuber companies that followed vshojo's way of business imploded
You and I both know that wasn't because the talents got to keep their models.
And like I said, the way VShojo operates is no different from a regular Western talent agency.

>>49483498
Jesus Christ.
Are you doing this on purpose?
It has nothing to do with the methods of talent acquisition, and I never said it was.

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>>49483432
Please let me know when your personal information may be publicly accessible, I'd love to hear it

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>>49465630
my dick got harder than before. im mad at how horny i am instead of just trying to be happy.

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>>49470847
>chasing bag
>using the same terminology as the twitter freaks that are seething about henya
hmmmm

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>>49483587
>It has nothing to do with the methods of talent acquisition, and I never said it was.
Yes it does! Because that's the only way letting talents keep their IP is viable as a business.

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>>49483826
No, it's not.

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>>49483587
>No. But it was her idea to set up a Japanese branch.
It doesn't matter unless she's the one putting the resources and money, I assume Vshojo isn't exactly a charity.
>And like I said, the way VShojo operates is no different from a regular Western talent agency.
Feel free to post any currently alive western vtubing company that has the same business model as vshojo, there's a reason they're the only ones who do this now

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>>49483863
Vshojo's actions suggest otherwise.

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>>49483867
>>49483899
How many times do I have to tell you that this is how ALL Western talent agencies function before it clicks?

It isn't a new business model at all, you fucking idiots. There are hundreds, if not thousands of profitable agencies which do not hold control over their clients' activities or IP.
Vtubing is not some special new medium that somehow isn't compatible with the larger entertainment industry.

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>>49483867
there's never been another one
cyberlive was a meme corp handing out free stuff to nobodies

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>>49484065
So why don't you post a single western vtubing agency? You know there are vtubing agencies that have followed this model, just post themm what are you afraid of?

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>>49483492
You're retarded. Nobody is saying they didn't try with others, but only 1 dipshit was successfully phished and they screwed up by sending something to Nux who never applied to VShojo. They probably cast a wide net emailing a bunch of retards but 99.9% of them saw through it. Nux showed the email and it wasn't particularly sophisticated.

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>>49484134
Tell me what the difference is between a vtubing agency and a talent agency, and why it matters to this conversation.

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>>49484119
>handing out free stuff to nobodies
That's the utopia kson wants

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>>49483623
Are you fucking dumb? The phishers know if they got your shit or not.

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>>49484209
it's not
you're just fucking dumb

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>>49484205
>Tell me what the difference is between a vtubing agency and a talent agency
The main difference is that every single vtubing company who has tried to do what you want has failed miserably, and Vshojo is going down the same path so it's clear the model doesn't work

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>>49484205
Talent agencies are hired by talents to represent them in negotiations. Vtuber agencies... of which we only have a smaller number of examples... are either:

1). Designed to create vtubers and hire people as employees to play said character created.
2). An association of vtubers under one brand that are represented by a talent agency that also tries to push vtubing technology forward
3). Some hybrid of the two.
4). Whatever IDOL is.

Niji and Holo, along with smaller agencies like WACTOR are examples of 1. VShojo is an example of 2. Phase Connect is an example of 3. IDOL I don't get yet and am waiting for a shoe to drop on that thing.

Of these, VShojo is the closest thing to a talent agency type existence but unlike a real talent agency like UTA, MSM, or Mythic, there is interest in promoting the "brand" at the same time as the talents. At least, that seems to be my perception of it. The biggest aim of VShojo seems to be creating new tech, which they can call their own, as a bonus for being part of the agency to utilize, however they're kind of open source about a lot of it and don't seem to safeguard it as such. Gunrun is a bit of a nerd.

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>>49484476
nobody wants fucking cyberlive

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>>49484476
>every single vtubing company who has tried to do what you want has failed miserably
Not because the talents kept their IPs.
>and Vshojo is going down the same path
VShojo is fine.

>>49484530
>The biggest aim of VShojo seems to be creating new tech, which they can call their own, as a bonus for being part of the agency to utilize, however they're kind of open source about a lot of it and don't seem to safeguard it as such.
Yes, when it comes to tech VShojo wants to benefit the entire community rather than just themselves. Pretty sure Gunrun said that explicitly during the AX panel last year.

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>>49484675
"Vshojo is fine" she says as 2 of the top 3 talents left because of a shit contract and 1 more left because of shit management. You should stop shitposting here so much Kson

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>>49484205
I'm not going to pretend to know a lot about how actors and talent agencies function, but it seems to me that streaming, and especially vtubing, is a quite different business model.

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>>49484675
>Yes, when it comes to tech VShojo wants to benefit the entire community rather than just themselves. Pretty sure Gunrun said that explicitly during the AX panel last year.
Yeah, they work with guys like FUGI and others to make some cool stuff, but don't keep anything proprietary. Kind of admirable in a way. I remember once someone said Gunrun once helped out a Hololive collab with their sound or something while they were trying to get a collab to work. Dude just doesn't care about shit like tribal identity.

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>>49484546
Why does everyone forget Tsunderia
>>49484675
>Not because the talents kept their IPs.
Explicitly because the talents kept their IPs, everyone left as soon as they could with a free model and brand

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>>49484755
And as a result of that, according to Kson, her contract got even better. Which implies VShojo learned something from the loss and fixed their shit contracts for the remaining members. Mythic was the kick in the pants VShojo needed.

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>>49484837
they gave away free shit and didn't offer any value beyond that, a ridiculous business model
it's the complete opposite of vshojo where you pay for your own shit and vshojo does manager/sponsor/tech/merch stuff for you

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>>49473363
>anyone who believed the Hogwarts crap
No one believed the hogwarts crap
It was something /pol/ was pushing all along because they saw an opportunity in it
They put in the limelight a bunch of insane twitter no-ones with no followers and they amplified them, so they would have convenient strawmen to point at. Even people boycotting the game didn't identify with them. You could hear all the way through the drama people boycotting HL who were cutting ties with them.
Henya joining vshojo kinda flipped the table under that manufactured drama. It exposes how she was used in a similar way.

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>>49484778
Yeah streaming is different from acting or music, but it's still an entertainment business.
I mean UTA signed Bao, Shoto and Mouse.
MSM has Michael Winslow alongside like 30 vtubers.

>>49484837
>everyone left as soon as they could
You're being intentionally reductive. We all know CyberLive was a mess behind the scenes.

Also I don't think Tsunderia gave their talents ownership of their models while under contract. Umiushi Urara and Kirihime Ria left the company in typical graduation form.
It seems to have been done for the sake of the talents when it was decided the company was dissolving. Not like those IPs were going to do anything for a dead company.

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>>49485050
>it's the complete opposite of vshojo where you pay for your own shit and vshojo does manager/sponsor/tech/merch stuff for you
Now comes the important part, and the reason why vshojo is even still alive, this ONLY works if the people you have were already big or already had a brand.
1) Why would you, as a company, risk giving all that to someone who could just leave next month ALONG with the model and your brand.
2)Why would you as a no name indie with no money have enough money to buy everything you need to survive in a company like that.
Vshojo only works because the people they got were already set, they just need someone to get them merch and sponsors, other vtubing companies build talents from the ground and can't afford them to leave.

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>>49485227
A significant chunk of Tsunderia went independent 9 months before the company died.
https://twitter.com/tsunderia_us/status/1518047073676972032

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Can she collab with Gura or Ame now? We only got Ina which was w/e

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>>49484853
>Which implies VShojo learned something from the loss and fixed their shit contracts for the remaining members.
No, it's just that vshojoJP has different contracts for strange reasons, everyone else had the same shitty contract and complained about it unless the last second so it was something that was barely negotiable.

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>>49485501
Hm
I'll be the first to admit I don't remember all the details about Tsunderia

Wasn't there an agency that let talents buy the IP from the company? Maybe it was a situation like that.

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>>49485469
why should a beginner have 20k worth of assets? it's like putting someone without a driver's license in a f1 car
basically every vtuber who matters has worked their way up in the entertainment industry gradually, except for the post 2021 EN small corps who just hire some random fem weebs

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>>49486142
>basically every vtuber who matters has worked their way up in the entertainment industry gradually
HoloEN doesn't matter then? Most of them got catapulted from irreverence by joining the company.

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I don't really hate her. But I guess it DOES kinda piss me off that this person only barely graduated a few weeks ago to teary-eyed fans and people dreading and immediately came back under my least favorite company's banner.
Worst of all, it's the company that's regularly shilling trans shit and pretending that being an asshole over your preferred pronouns is a cool thing.

Honestly, I really mostly am upset that she joined VShojo because VShojo doesn't deserve her. I'm upset FOR this person's lack of dignity to flip these bastards off for riling up even more antis to attack Hogwarts streamers.

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>>49486142
>fuck newcomers and fuck indies
OK Kson

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>>49486545
>Worst of all, it's the company that's regularly shilling trans shit and pretending that being an asshole over your preferred pronouns is a cool thing.
When did this happen

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>>49465630
Because reasons