What makes her stream so frustrating to watch to most people?

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She's as good or even better than Aqua but her fans complain a lot when she plays Apex.
Are her fans just toxic as hell?

[Anonymous No.]

i love selen

[Anonymous No.]

Dragoons are probably the second sanest fanbase after Takos, I don't think you're witnessing "fans" if they find her streams frustrating

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>>51147983
>Tako cult
>sane

[Anonymous No.]

does she even take her clothes off? i feel like there's no point if she's clothed.

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>>51148025
This. In Hololive the sanest fanbase is probably KFP or Brats.

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>>51147775
>She's as good or even better than Aqua but her fans complain a lot when she plays Apex.
There's a few reasons:
Apex has gotten worse and worse every season for the past 2 years.
Every time Selen gets involved in an Apex-related event, she gets obsessed with it, starts hyping herself up and going on "training arc", then jobs out because she refuses to confront her mental hangups about leadership or improving her macro game skills (as in, awareness of the entire gamestate, not just her immediate screen). Then she has a menhera episode, goes quiet for a bit, then returns to doing the content people actually like for a while before repeating the entire cycle over the next time a big event comes around.

It's like watching somebody that loves a certain food struggle to accept that it fucks them up, so they eat the food and then complain about how they're stuck on the crapper for hours. I just want her to not play Apex because it's bad for her.

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This has to be the most preloaded and primed narrative i've ever read, and i read the Chumbuds "Why did Mori let Gura be raped at a part she didn't want to be a part of while Mori was streaming in the closet?!"

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>>51147775
Based dragoons

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>>51148791
>KFP
>sane
rumao

[Anonymous No.]

>>51147775
selen's manager needs to shadowban apex

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>>51147775
She can't perform in stressful situations. Aqua got popular in apex circles for performing well in tournaments. Selen has always been disappointing when people expect her to pop off.

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>>51151167
>aqua
>perform well in tournament
Isn’t there only one tournament that she participated ? and she was disappointing in that one

[Anonymous No.]

Vox goes menhera....Quick make a Selen/Gura post SISTERS.

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>>51151167
Still doesn't explain why her solo apex streams don't perform as good as her tourney ones.

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>>51147775
>She's as good or even better than Aqua
She genuinely isn't. She rode on her status of having reached pred before, and she's still coasting on it. It gets in her head, she chokes, and she performs like shit and brings down the general mood of the team. Even if her raw skills were good, she also needs to be good in a team to actually be considered good, and she just never is.

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>as good or even better than aqua
one can just compare their performances in Vsaikyo to know that this isn't true. even comparing their masters grind, Selen suffered for it while Aqua did it clean and convincingly carrying most of her matches. I love Selen but her gameplay is high diamond level at best.

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I have no clue how Apex has stayed so popular for so long. What is it that keeps people coming back to it?

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>>51147775
Apex just fucking sucks dude.

[Anonymous No.]

not as cute

[Anonymous No.]

close to 60k people watched her apex stream yesterday. I want to know how. Aqua's cute but apex is still a dogshit game.

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>>51155686
StartEnd reunion + Aqua's return to Apex

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>>51153815
Big events = big numbers.
Add in the fact that Selen tends to do well in practice games leading up to the tournament day generating hype and that she is usually ranked as one of the strongest individual players in the tournaments she plays in.

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mannerisms

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>>51148372
I’d rather she keep them on. He weighs about 300 pounds.

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>>51147775
>as good as Aqua
Fuck you Akutan would wipe the floor with this bitch.

[Anonymous No.]

She only plays apex and has a huge ego about it.
Dragoons watch her for her. Randoms that only play apex are children and do not give her money

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>>51151167
>Aqua got popular in apex circles for performing well in tournaments
16th in VSai, her only tournament. Are you retarded?

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>>51159611
yeah that anon's retarded for saying she did well but her individual performance in it was pretty impressive.

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>>51159611
Yeah because her team was shit and dragged her down
Selen in contrast is the one who fucked everything up for her team

[Anonymous No.]

SELEN IM NOT THE ORIGINAL SELEN POSTER BUT I KNOW YOURE HERE MARRY ME

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>>51159697
Suisei did her best

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>>51147775
She needs to do more solo collabs with Pomu. They make the best duo and that's where she shines the most at but unfortunately you get faggots who love being the 3rd wheel in this company.

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>>51147775
>She's as good or even better than Aqua...
Ok I'll bite. Debatable. I think she's pretty good, but as mentioned earlier she keeps repeating the same mistakes every time. She hypes herself up as this "epic fps gamer prodigy", or at least everyone else does. It fucks with her head by putting too much pressure on her.
She gives herself this high standard that she HAS reach, and gets upset even when it's something out of her control. I don't watch her as much anymore, but the streams I liked were ones where she just had fun and chilled without the stress of tourneys or some challenge like rank.

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>>51147775
Several reasons.
Can't hold under the pressure for long.
A long history of hyped-up Apex events that end up with her disappointed and depressed for weeks.
A complete misunderstanding of her fucking fanbase, too - I'll even explain this one.
She thinks her fanbase likes Apex more than anything because her all-time highest numbers are in that game.
The problem is that it's completely fucking false and most people just come to watch one or two streams for the hype crowd energy of big events and never come back, donate, chat, or contribute to the community in any way.
I'm pretty sure the overall stress of the branch falling apart behind the scenes is also not helping things, but her latest brain fart of "if you don't want to watch me stream apex for weeks then you're not my fan maybe" was fucking insulting, I'm still angry about it, and it's been weeks.
t. day-1 dragoon, her best content is outside of that fucking pile of shit of a game. I still love her but watching her go through the same fucking arc every few months is very tiring.

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>>51147775
>annoying smug personality
>laughs for no reason every time she says something
>overdoses on copium whenever she loses
>shitty mouse control. it's mindblowing that after all this time her aim jitters all over the place like she still haven't found a comfortable mouse setup. It makes it nauseating to watch her. and no i'm not talking about apex jitter aim tech, that is only when you're shooting someone.

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>>51160457
Question for the day 1 dragoon.
Who's actual fault is it for vsaikyo? Many will blame Axel's shotcalling, many blame Selen tilting to the moon then calling for a 4fun game 5 when they could have still placed decently if they took it seriously.

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>>51161589
Axel as an IGL was horrible 100% but if Selen was as good as what her and other people say then she should have been able to pick up the slack. They still wouldn't do well let alone win but they wouldn't have done as badly as they did.

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>>51148791
Fairly sure the title of sanest fanbase goes to Pioneers (simply because I have yet to see any of them go schizo)

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>>51161712
Who’s fanbase are they?

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>>51147775
she talks WAY too fucking much and i cursed with understanding english
women should stick to making cute noises

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Aqua plays apex to entertain her fans, even her apex challenges is done for her fans. She formed the most entertaining team when she joined the tournament, not the one that would help her win. She declined having a male coach on stream even if it increased her chance of winning. Selen plays apex to please her own ego and thinks that she needs to "prove herself" to her fans.

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>>51162387
>filtering disgusting ESL's
She's doing a good job.

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>>51159697
nah, it was axel's dogshit shotcalling that fucked them up. their whole strat relied on getting into zone and letting altare snipe until the final ring. dude had good zone prediction but couldn't come up with a plan on how to get there. selen doesn't really come into play until the final ring which they never manage to get into. they had no plan B if their plan A failed, which led to their poor performance.

[Anonymous No.]

Selen’s a choke artist and it makes people mad

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>>51162657
>She formed the most entertaining team when she joined the tournament, not the one that would help her win
Retard. They were her "only choice". She's "too shy" now, even though she used to be an onahole for the nijimales. Startend didn't even get a coach for the VSai run because of her "shyness".

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selen can't stop talking about her "friends", It seems to be the only thing going on on her life that she can talk about, and most of the time is about the same fucking guy, who turned out to be her boyfriend.https://archived.moe/vt/thread/50685351/

[Anonymous No.]

As an fpsfag who watches both, selen plays like a typical jp player and aqua plays more like a western player like aceu and timmy which is unique among jp players.

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>>51147775
I tried to watch her once, she talked about badges or some kinda apex bullshit for 15 minutes. If someone told me I only had a few hours to live I guess I would spend them watching a Selen stream because it would feel like soooo much longer.

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>>51165031
Selen learned apex from EUfags, her bf is EU and most of her pro friends are from EU

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>>51165031
Outsider here but could you explain?

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>>51161589
It was no one’s 100% fault. However, Axel as IGL was awful but in a tournament situation the one thing you can’t do is tilt off the face of the planet like Selen did when you aren’t performing well. It percolates through the whole team and drags everyone down which why they just kept doing worse and worse as the tournament went on. The only person that did good was Regis

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>>51147775
have you ever watched aqua? aqua did masters climb solo with no ratting, ever, getting many kills and thousands of damage per game. selen gets carried like your typical egirl by actual pros. aqua has never been pred but her games are infinitely more exciting to watch because she's an aggressive fragger.

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>>51162330
Point proven

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>>51165585
Simply put, aqua plays apex as an fps (shoot, kill, being aggressive and making plays as much as possible) meanwhile selen plays apex as a br game being more tactical and survive to the last round to win the game. The former is just more entertaining to watch for a viewer.

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that Aqua had fucking Suisei as her teammate and still finished higher than Selen's team with an experienced 8 pt former Master and an FPS veteran with one of the best aims in the tournament that they got for 3 points.

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>>51167085
Funniest (and saddest part) is that if Selen (and Noct their coach) didn't suggest to try and play a happy game 5, and instead tried like normal to win game 5, they would have placed higher than Startend.
They were still top 10 prior to game 5, and coming literal last place because "muh happy game" / "just have some fun" caused them to tank.
So yes, Selen, the 10 point pred, dragged the team down.
However, if you wanna argue 3 pointers, Altare was a really good 3 pointer for their team of shitters.

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>>51168040
>However, if you wanna argue 3 pointers, Altare was a really good 3 pointer for their team of shitters.
Yea that's what I meant, the blue homo was arguably the strongest 3 pointer in vsai history while Aqua had Suisei

[Anonymous No.]

she interacts with too many men (for me) to be unicorn friendly, i can't use her as GFE

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>>51147775
I AM MAD
BECAUSE
SHE WONT SIT ON MY FACE WITH HER FAT DRAGON ASS

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>>51147983
>dragoons
>sane
>literally wished death on korone when she was on a break due to poor health

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>>51147775
how are her fans toxic? when it is thanks to them she can make a living off streaming.

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>>51147775
She's good at apex but is mid to bad at entertaining her fans
Aqua is both good at apex and entertaining her fans

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>>51170805
Dragoons are literally called Hologons by the sisters...someone using a Selen reaction(like this sister post) doesnt mean they even watch her.

[Anonymous No.]

One day she'll realize she's absolutely worthless.

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>>51173408
>She's good at apex
lol no

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>>51150624
>refuses to confront her mental hangups about leadership
she directly acknowledges this
>the rest
this has happened to a relevant degree literally once, and still pretty tame by menhera standards.

[Anonymous No.]

She repeats everything 3 times
She repeats everything 3 times
She repeats everything 3 times

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>>51147775
I don't watch Selen, but most of Aqua's fanbase knows nothing about Apesex. She could be playing against bronze tier shitters and her fans would shower her with praise.
Maybe what happened with Selen is she built her entire existence on being an Apex pro which attracted some actual Apexfags into her audience.
In short, Aqua's fans are Aquafags. Selen's "fans" are Apexfags.

[Anonymous No.]

better at what amounts to a pile of shit.

Games are ultimately meant to be fun and trying to be a tryhard over shitty ones creates obsessive disorders

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>>51147775
Selen's a tryhard sweatlord so if she plays badly it breaks character.
Aqua's a retarded onion so it doesn't actually matter how she plays.

[Anonymous No.]

I watched her play Red Dead Revolver.

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>>51161589
Pfft it's because Selen gets into her own head.
You know those zoomers who try to hide crippling depression with a facade of being super-ironic and quirky? That's just Selen. Only Selen isn't depressed, she just obsessive about Apex.

A lot of the """pros""" on youtube that get 1M followers actually suck dick at hte games they play, they just know how to play everything off as an ironic jab and also edit their videos to make it look like they never lose.

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>>51161589
It's no ones fault. Team comp wasn't good
>>51161697
This is just cope, good players can't 'pick up' slack for bad players.

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>>51178253
>good players can't 'pick up' slack for bad players
if we were talking about pro tourneys sure yeah I agree but this was Vsaikyo. Fucking Laplus was playing in that tournament. She should've been able to do better being the so-called amazing player that she is.

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>>51178253
>good players can't 'pick up' slack for bad players
Every team in the tournament had bad players because of how the point system works. Other good players managed to carry random egirl vtubers who had never played Apex before, why couldn't Selen carry a team with a guy who reached master and a guy who almost went pro in another FPS?

[Anonymous No.]

heccin love akutan

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>>51147775
I love Selen, but i hate Apex, LoLand to some degree Overwatch.. And her need to make some sort of gag of cheeseing every Jedi Survivor boss stoped being funny after a while
If she just played normally, good or mid games, while talking and laughting, she could be one of the best vtuber on the EN side of all corpos
Also,
>Niji debuff

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>>51147775
won't stop making it obvious that she is d***** ac1******* and saying the complete name just once on a selen thread will cause dragoons to massively report you.
> won't stream on Twitch playing non stop apex despite the huge apex community there but still streams on YouTube 95-99 percent of the time.

Her fans are only toxic if you mention the a name.

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>>51173408
Luplus outplayed Selen in that tournament, anon. I don't think Selen is remotely close to being good.

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>>51147775
>be a twitch streamer.
>openly admit you are dating ac1dreignz.

problem solved.

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>>51173408
Game 1 of the StartEnd challenge where she grapples into the middle of an enemy team, panics, and yells "HELP ME!" in English while running like hell is peak Aqua and peak entertainment.

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>>51150624
>It's like watching somebody that loves a certain food struggle to accept that it fucks them up
>so they eat the food and then complain about how they're stuck on the crapper for hours
food analogy lol

there is so much food why would you eat something that gives you diarrhea
I think you just love diarrhea

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>>51184746
>there is so much food why would you eat something that gives you diarrhea
Because they're getting older or developed a condition and don't want to give up the food, anon. That shit happens all the time, and people refuse to face the music because they think it's giving up a part of themselves.

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>>51147775
yeah aqua's fans were very non-toxic when she was playing apex yeah I totally remember that anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>51159884
Honestly this, they bounce off of each other so well but lately the solo collabs have been rare

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>>51147775
SELEN I KNOW YOU ARE /HERE/ PLEASE MARRY ME I LOVE YOU SO MUCH, I AM CHILL

[Anonymous No.]

>has a boyfriend Which she refers to as "some friends" even though shes always talking about the same person
https://archived.moe/vt/thread/50685351/
>talks about him in every single stream

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>>51170805
I'm a Korogoonbud and this shit literally never happened

[Anonymous No.]

Selen's team in vsai is like a top 3 team on paper. A pred, a master and arguably the best 3 point scam you can get. Their issue is they started to tilt and crumble around match 2 on tourney day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51147775
Apex

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>>51192544
This, they cant play under presure

[Anonymous No.]

>>51192092
cuckgoons...

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>>51147775
Aqua has better stream gameplay for Apex. She plays way more aggro. She has the aim and movement of those ADHD knife flipping streamer wraith fucks. Selen is, presumably, a macro brain gamer, which is fucking boring

[Anonymous No.]

Basically the reason people watch Aqua's Apex is because she never plays with males. Apex in Japan is a dating game but Aqua is retarded and has the autism of a typical western shut in male gamer so she grinded solo queue for years without leeching off more talented males or pro gamers. This satiated her idol fanbase while also making her better at the game
Actually for a long time she had a toxic rat play style a la pic related where she would abandon her teammates and try to hide for points. She actually failed her first Master challenge due to this (she always attempted her challenge at the end of seasons and simply ran out of time once hitting her skill wall at Dia1) because ratting takes a long time for less reward
Aqua then had a menhera melty and stopped streaming for a year while she grinded, changed her play style and got good. This more entertaining style no doubt makes her streams more successful but she got good numbers even before that because she is a good entertainer who knows how to present a story of what she is doing, has good reactions to content and has the gap moe of being a cute idiot while also a sweaty autist
There are multiple ways to success but she has a lot of unique factors that the typical VSPO quiet, stoic autist or someone like Selen do not and part of the story arcs she is good at developing involve doing something on her own and succeeding (or failing) without using males to do it for her. The suggestion her success is due to not being menhera is not true, she is one of the more fragile japanese streamers actually

[Anonymous No.]

>>51196245
Vspo girls play with males a lot and their fans got no problems with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51192544
I thought it was only Selen who broke down?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51178253
selen wasn't even the best player of her team

[Anonymous No.]

https://vocaroo.com/1cmkXMy5AT8v Ac1dreignz accidentally leaked this on Twitter which was his offstream collab with selen. What does it mean dragoon bros?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51206238
Never knew she was part monkey

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>>51147775
Tryhard meta slave, but that's the least of it. I can only take the "HAHAHAHA" for so long before I need a break. But I come back.

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>>51177732
Apexfag here. Aqua is mechanically skilled than Selen even though Selen has more experience playing with EN pro players. Selen is still a strong player though just not on the level of Aqua for now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51206238
Who's acid?

[Anonymous No.]

who are even the alternative Apex EN livers/vtubers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51147775
nice try faggoon

[Anonymous No.]

>>51212701
virtual gorilla

[Anonymous No.]

>>51193535
>dragoons get cucked
>bf gets cucked when she dick rides males on stream
i think she likes cucking

[Anonymous No.]

>>51212701
>livers

[Anonymous No.]

>>51214653
this is a thread about a niji, i don't see the issue

[Anonymous No.]

>>51170805
What? What relation do those two have at all?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51151152
Word.
It's killing her the fucking addict.

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>>51159884
She needs to do more collabs with Elira, Rosemi and Petra too. I don't care if they fucking hate each other behind the scenes, all of them are great collab partners for her. Just genuine quality banter for the each of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51185197
This is me with milk
I don't care that I suddenly have lactose intolerance, I'm eating the fuckin cheese
The aftermath is nothing compared to that time I drank a whole 64oz bottle of apple juice in one go

[Anonymous No.]

>>51168040
Exactly. She will never be top tier no matter how much she grinds because of her mental.
She should quit Apex forever and be happier off for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51203304
And it affected the rest of the team. She was soft controlling them despute not being the leader, which is horrible from a team management perspective

[Anonymous No.]

>>51203304
If one of the wheels on your car punctures, it's gonna fuck with the performance of the entire car.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51168040
I didn't watch them play but why do I get the impression that Selen wasn't even the mvp of their team.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51220216
From what I hear, Altare went godmode due to prior Overwatch experience.

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>>51166024
So it's just like how I figured with the Jap style as my god any game where JP play they're the most cowardly fuckers you'd see. Either maximum standoff slap fights or just cowering and refusing to advance at all. I presume the JP style is to also be a complete and utter meta slave when it comes to equipment as well?

Really Aqua's APEX arcs were before I started watching hers and I don't really do deep archive dives unless it's a high importance or on a topic I'm really heavily interested in.
Still I like the fact she's not being a camping faggot like I saw constantly with the Selen/Stars team like that shit was "Put on as background while doing other things and switch to view when the screaming started" Especially the times they didn't have a sniper rifle to at least be a sniping camper.

>>51168873
Hell what held him back more than anything was lack of game knowledge but he was attempting to make up for it with just shooting good (or trying to) he did have highest overall stats of the team during that event. Selen was pretty much was competing for the wooden spoon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51178211
"I JUST WANT TO SHOOT MY GUN" - Selen multiple times during the later rounds of the Tournament. Turns out being a camper who requires to wait until the last minute of a match to do anything means you're going to be fucking useless if the other side doesn't let you play that way.

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>>51211211
Ac1dreignz is the "fried" selen always talks about when she mentions the words "some of my friends" or "my pro friend "
she watched mandalorian and GOT with him on discord among others movies/series
https://archived.moe/vt/thread/50685351/

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>>51221177
you can tell how well aqua's playstyle worked in the one tournament they played
it was a disaster
teams aren't camping in tournament play because they want to camp, it's because fighting is always mutually detrimental to both teams involved until the team that wins has the time to reset and heal up/loot, and in tournaments where the lobby's not likely to be 30% dead within the first two minutes there are a lot more teams available to 3p
when you hear stories about selen being good at the game, it's about pubstomping and running around inhouse lobbies with a P20, which should tell you something

[Anonymous No.]

>>51222873
Your source indicates nothing

[Anonymous No.]

>fans

It's not her fans. It's hatewatching Holobronies, the same ones that have been sour-grapesing over her since pretty much her debut.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51147775
nooo Selen don't cry *chu* *chu*

[Anonymous No.]

>>51222873
Why do her fans want her to be a Holo so bad if she's into that? I feel she's more fit to be a Vshojo talent instead considering her content appeals to the twitch crowd already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51222893
So Aqua plays to have fun. And Tourneyfags just hide and camp because the game itself incentivizes hiding mechanically to the point where it's just hide and seek until the magic bubble gets to the end.

Good to know I'll watch Aqua any time then. Also further drives me away from playing any BR game ever since my god the "Optimal" way sounds like it's the most boring shit ever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51223733
be yourself, anon, nobody's judging you
if anything, I think the problem here's that selen doesn't stream apex outside of tournaments and tournament prep, and that she's not good enough to pubstomp in high skill ranked lobbies
this season's actually really easy not just to climb, but also in terms of matchmaking difficulty, which is why you see pros posting 30-40 kill wins all the time when they're 3-stacking, but her ranked grind was pretty miserable to the point where they had to play tight with Gibraltar to eke out points because she was the weak link

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>>51161589
oh, so this thread is not dead yet, wow
that's me you've answered
in my opinion, it wasn't the fault of someone specific, the unfortunately usual competitive pressure crumbling got Selen pretty hard, and it was not made better by Axel being a fucking hardheaded silent idiot that chose to be more silent when raging instead of talking it out beforehand
I understand the reaction of both of them, to degree, but god, watching the training arc was so much more entertaining than the actual tourney, and it sometimes looks like she didn't recover from it to this day.

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>>51224042 (me)
the fact that vsaikyo made me dislike Selen more while also making me far more positive towards Altare, of all fucking people, is just sad
you can say whatever you want but that man was the only one not crumbling under pressure, and it was really noticeable
I'm curious about their dynamic in the upcoming PayDay 2 collab, will it be just good content or it'll just be 3/4 people with ptsd being silent and snarky

[Anonymous No.]

>>51224042
The thing is that yea, Axel was a shit IGL, but he was only forced into that position because the obvious pick (Selen) didn't want to be IGL because she doesn't like the pressure and she just wanted to "shoot her guns". Then when Axel was having to make a bunch of tough decisions under pressure she kept disagreeing with him and making things even harder for him. To me that's the worst type of person in any group work environment, the people who try to avoid responsibility but then they'll criticize all the tough decisions being made under uncertain conditions with incomplete knowledge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51222977
Do your reps anon
You will find a lot about them
Their discord leaked once in Christmas eve and selen had a pet name in acids discord

[Anonymous No.]

>>51224303
But here's the catch 22 - she declined IGLing because of mental pressure, and she was correct in the end. So...

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>>51224575
We have a group with no one wanting to lead. Well one lacking the game knowledge to lead and two who don't want to lead

>>51224168
>I'm curious about their dynamic in the upcoming PayDay 2 collab
This will entirely depend on heist and how they're approaching them. Also previous game experience since well Shadow Raid exists. And Shadow Raid is just utter cancer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51224303
So she’s not capable of playing for “fun”, it’s just a cope for underperforming

[Anonymous No.]

>>51147775
>Great at Apex, better than Aqua even
Meanwhile Aqua:
>Start playing Apex again
>Win a clutch that entertain her audeince
>Also playing with her Startend team again
>Won 8 victories in 4 hours. Even Towa and Suisei improved so much
After tons of her Menhera meltdowns, I think you need to reconsider her Apex skill anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51147983
>>51148025
>>51150810
Can we all agree that all Vtubers fans are at least a bit unhinged?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51147775
dont watch her Apex streams. simple as.

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>>51160457
>hyped-up Apex event
Maybe this is her downfall. People and even herself expect too much because she even believe in the hype only to stumble halfway thru.

Meanwhile Aqua, without hyping her Apex stream actually went in and show everyone who's the boss.

Selen has too big of an ego shoe that she can hardly fill. Time to be more humble and calm down ms Selen.

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>>51163452
>Claim he can deal with nagging woman

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>>51225048
>Meanwhile Aqua, without hyping her Apex stream actually went in and show everyone who's the boss.
When Aqua participated in Vsaikyo she did about as poorly as Selen (Selen's team finished 17th and Aqua's 16th I think, albeit in different years) and Startend had more hype than TSB for sure.

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>>51164475
>even though she used to be an onahole for the nijimales
So she got corrected by the males, probably a 48 hours non stop gangbang.
I like it

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>>51225166
Do you watch Startend very recent stream? They improved A LOT. Especially Suisei and Towa. 8 victories in 4 hours is fucking insane. People thought they need 12 hours to finish the challenge.

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>>51225240
They were pubstomping in unranked lobbies anon

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>>51224168
>Hating Selen but ended up liking Altare
This is like escaping a hungry shark tank only to fall into a torture chamber. I feel sorry for you.

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>>51225265
I understand it's a seal clubbing, but still, 8 victories is still very impressive.

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I'm not sure if I've ever seen a good post with a Selen image. Just thought I'd share.

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>>51225354
if you need a visual example of how easy unranked pubs are, a pro did the 4k damage achievement with all 24 legends queueing solo no-fill in a single stream last week
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1837710209
don't read too much into an environment where suisei could go positive

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>>51225499
professional apex players are good at apex? colour me fucking shocked

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>>51224303
It's got to be infuriating being Selen's teammate.
She promised before the scrims even began that she was not gonna second guess their IGL, which she did hence the training arc was fun. She tilted and tried to be a hero during the tourney proper tho.

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>>51225499
>"Hey, let me compare Startend with a pro that play the game day in day out 365"
Excuse me sir, but that comparison is fucking stupid.

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>>51226110
Btw I wonder if she still playing Apex with Bobon?

captcha: 240WWX

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>>51225499
Aqua is not a pro by your standards, she's almost at that level.

[Anonymous No.]

Aqua not a pro, without apex she still top vtuber, cant say the same about selen

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>>51225499
You are comparing aqua to not just only a pro but hiswattson, the GOAT of apex. It's like comparing messi to some college amateur footballers.

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>>51225166
Their teams did as poorly as each other but on an individual level, Aqua actually showed up, keeping the vibes up even when her teammates did dumb mistakes. The whole time ShibuyaHAL, reps (pro vet at the game) and rpr praised the hell out of Aqua. Best thing Selen got was pity praise from rpr and noct.

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>>51225499
I get the sentiment and I agree that apex is dogshit easy right now but comparing Suisei or any of them to HisWattson makes you look retarded anon.

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>>51226953
there are people who don't play apex who watched the stream without understanding that unranked matches might as well be training range for anyone decent
just like there are people who don't play apex who watched selen touching predator without understanding that it's not getting predator to hit it for five minutes at the start of a season

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>>51227020
the amount of people I saw who were excited for Selen when she hit pred had me in tears. She had noct and wigg the whole time and everytime I came to the stream, they were just ratting and noct would call Selen a dumbass because she wanted to do something stupid. add to the fact that most pros didn't even play rank for a long while because of how dogshit it was. The pred she got was earned because of how the rank situation is but her feeling proud of it like she actually did something was just cringe.

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I just wanna say there are levels to pro too. Have you seen nickmercs pro gameplay? Dude plays worse than aqua or other high vspo masters kek.

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>>51227171
Link for the stream? I want to watch it.

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>>51227171
but now she can say she's gotten(carried) to pred twice. if she's only a pub stomper at best skill wise that's another matter

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>>51227349
she got carried the first time?

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>>51227171
>ratting
so, playing the damn game then? also they were fucking around too much. there was no sense of seriousness in that run of theirs because it was fucked up and they know they can get it done.
you were right that it was relatively easy to get pred though, which is why she did it. she actually regrets not doing it early because it took her like 3 days when she did it when she could have realistically did it in a few hours if she started early.
but the whole goal was just to touch pred while in niji. there's no "proud" shit about it. she knows she did it because it was "easy". that pred status didn't even last an hour. it was already gone even before she ended the stream where she got it.
>>51227433
first one was a 3 stack, before niji afaik. apparently it was harder on the season where she got it. it's why hal put her at 10 points in VSai.

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>>51227659
while it may be the "proper" way to play ratting is very boring to watch. maybe if she was actually good at apex they could have fought more

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>>51228198
Yea I watched Noah from VSPO grind for pred and not only did she play with worse teammates but they also just played normally, looking for fights and stuff. I guess there's a reason why Noah's team won the last Vsaikyo while Selen's team was 3rd from last lol.

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doesn’t matter. I hate apex gameplays in general but aqua’s style is fun. Only thing that made me watch a shit garbage game. Otherwise I prefer meme players like korone or fubuki

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>https://archived.moe/vt/thread/50685351/ haungout on roflgators server via degen night where other vshojo members were at.
>someone here said a week ago selen was on surefours chat.

Is there more evidence that ac1dreignz is surefour?

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>>51227659
>ratting to "fuck around" while having the best IGL in the game and a respected pred streamer from the apex community
pathetic. at least have the self respect to solo queue to prove how stupid the system is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51147775
Autistic screeching and needs to be carried

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>>51227171
Really crazy how these vtubers would stoop so low for validation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51228326
Selen has nothing on these vspo girls

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>>51162657
There is also expectations tie to this.
Aqua is "Good" because no one expectuch of her.
So as long as she dosnt fuck up is good.
Selen did Apex before Niji, and has try to make it her brand.
This make people expect decent play from her. She has skill, yet is more from practice and against competent player her limits show:
Big fish in small tank looks big.
Same fish in big tank is average.

She has been doing more variety now, so seems the comment so people got to her, or her manager did.

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Selen's personality as a "git gud" streamer gets destroyed every time she breaks down over an Apex tournament. Not to mention the disastrous MGR stream.

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>>51147775
She's based as fuck, has understandable breakdowns instead of massive menhera outbreaks, and sounds like a cocktail waitress from Atlantic City. I don't know who's complaining but they're objectively incorrect to complain.

[Anonymous No.]

She exudes ugly girl energy but comfy as fuck if she's not streaming apex

[Anonymous No.]

>>51238595
She's more hate sex-able when she's being arrogant on apex

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>>51148791
My vote goes to Brrats. KFP are just grounded but not 'sane'.

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>>51147775
I just don't like esport games. I found her from her SADX stream though, and that was a childhood favorite of mine, so I may be biased. I'll still watch her because I like her, but I really would like to see her play other kinds of games too.

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>>51147983
>dragoons sane
>when they camp the /nijien/ thread 24/7 to rebuke any shitposts that randomly appears
>/nijien/ thread has next to 0 selen discussion at any time
They whiteknight Selen on a thread that isn't about her to the point it wraps back around to being based

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>>51225354
nigger if it isn't impressive when selen does unranked pubstomping like she did in her debut weeks then it isn't impressive when aqua does it

[Anonymous No.]

>>51147775
Her 'ha ha's are starting to get annoying, there I said it.

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Bump

[Anonymous No.]

Aqua is better at apex than selen

[Anonymous No.]

>>51170805
yup i did this

[Anonymous No.]

>>51247125
You just salty that Selen keep fumbling around in her Apex streams while people actually get entertained when they watch Aqua return to Apex.

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>>51247171
I thought she being petty is part of the joke.
I was mistaken. Her ha ha is her way to hide her saltiness

[Anonymous No.]

Selenposters truly have fallen off the board, literally

[Anonymous No.]

>>51255578
Selenposters tend to be poster boy for what a well adjusted NijiEN look like. Then we realize she's still a menhera, a menhera gamer to be exact

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>>51258645
I hope Selen and Aqua meet at vsaikyo to settle this debate once and for all.

[Anonymous No.]

she is fun when not streaming apex but her chat is awful (just like most of niji)

[Anonymous No.]

>>51260169
With hot steamy lesbian sex?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51260371
Why, of course.

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>>51225499
Suisei is a silver ranked player though
She is worth 3 points in vsaiko
Thanks for the comparison

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>>51260169
I don't think anyone would want Selen on their team with how she performed last tournament.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51247125
Didn't she get stomped by Elira when they had an Apex challenge?

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>>51227171
Anyone even remotely want to watch her play with Nocturnal again after all his rants about the Nickmercs stuff?

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>>51272821
qrd?

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>>51258645
Selen has always been toxic

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>>51258645
Anon the fuck are you talking about, Selen posters have always been a plague on /vt/ and probably a contributer to why nijiy get shat on so much these days

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>>51147775
How anyone can watch their gameplay and think Selen is better is beyond me

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>>51280450
Selenniggers are a plague

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>>51280450
Delusional cuckgoons

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>>51272129
Wasn't it a 3 vs 1 kill race, and Selen started seething when she was losing?

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>>51272821
Isn't that Nickmercs is against child grooming and Activision decided to kick him out because Activision want to keep their woke agenda. Then when it backfired now Activision nuked their twitter account.

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>>51283772
>couldn't win in a 3v1 killrace against literal shitters
kek I've seen how Elira, Finana and Reimu plays. Selen is an average player who thinks she can hang with the best. what a fucking joke.

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>>51147775
Selen is so good at Apex.
In fact, she moggs Aqua out of the water.
1 on 1 Selen wins 76% of the time.
I would love to see a series where she challenges other apex content creators for a 1v1 and see who is better.
Would be cool as fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>51284784
Hi Selen

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>>51250309
Aquacucks being delusional as always
Your whore can only dream to land a shot on Selen - the snipe queen. Stay in your line lest the stench of your oshi lays on my way to the throne.

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>>51284784
>>51284992
Samefag

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>>51284992
>snipe queen
>shitter homo had multiple times her damage in the tourney
A literal faggot shoots straighter than Selen

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>>51147775
Apex makes her streams frustrating, no one wants to watch Apex.
Lots of people want to watch Aqua, fewer people want to watch Matsuri, even fewer people want to watch Selen, no one wants to watch Apex.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51285695
Is Lap good?

[Anonymous No.]

>>51287722
No.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51285695
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>51287722
Not as good as she used to be. She stopped playing after the FPS dating scene switched from Apex to Valorant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>51147983
t. takodachi

[Anonymous No.]

>>51147934
me too

[Anonymous No.]

>>51289159
Was she ever actually good?

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>>51148791
Anyone who thinks KFP is sane has been to the usual room one too many times

[Anonymous No.]

>>51286362
People would watch Selen if she were good

[Anonymous No.]

>>51215847
They all hate each other?

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>>51285741
>A literal faggot shoots straighter than Selen
lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>51291140
no, she only played apex to meet people