Thoughts?

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They should be more willing to hire indie vtubers without forcing them to get a new model or hide their past lives. Sometimes attracting established talent is worthwhile as you can absorb their diehard fans.

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>>521232
need to stop bowing to gooks and needs to start actually moderating and providing support to Coco

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All they do is take money.
At least the mafia keeps you safe from rival families.

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They still havn't fired mel's manager.
Just think about it.

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>>521293
People like Suisei are rare. Hololive has strong brand power, and it runs the danger of diluting that brand power (in the way that's happened to Niji) by recruiting randos of questionable ability with low quality avatars/rigging.

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>>521420
Yeah of course they should have some quality standards, but vtubers like Kana Kamiko have perfectly good models and a decent fanbase that you could just slap the "Hololive" name onto and no one would notice. They obviously don't want to do this because they need to retain the rights to their characters for merchandising purposes, but eh. Just kind of a shame when Luna for example had such a good model before moving to Hololive, not that I dislike her new one.

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Worse than China.

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>>521232
The least worst agency. This is not a compliment

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>>521232
Admit the rape scandal, cover

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>>521605
That's assuming popular indies want to be in a company

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>>521846
Pretty sure any popular indie would jump at the chance if they're looking to make vtubing into a career. The money Hololive talents make completely dwarfs any indie, even after the corporate cut. It's also a resume filler if vtubing ever stops being sustainable, being able to say "I worked for a Japanese media company as a talent with a channel that had over 500k subs and $300k+ in superchats" is better than "I make videos on Youtube on my personal channel with 50k subs"

Even Nyanners applied for Hololive and got rejected which is what made her form VShojo.

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>>521232
>hire a bunch of menhara and girls looking for second chances
>said girls feel they ow the company for their chance
>girls become dependent on Cover despite the fact if any of them went indie many of their fans would follow them and they would make more money because Cover wouldn't pocket it
>instead talent puts up with manager fuckery and weird rules

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>>521232
Could improve but it's not as bad as some people says.

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>>521232
King Vtuber Agency of the West but not infallible. Hopefully other agencies stop bending the fucking knee and actually outcompete them..

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>>521931
based yagoo pimp

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COVER projects are basically massive money laundering schemes.

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>>521920
>Even Nyanners applied for Hololive and got rejected which is what made her form VShojo.
Is this a rrat, hinted at or inferred but never confirmed, or outright confirmed by her at some point?

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>>521232
Management is braindead, but probably not malicious. The real power is talent scouting, which is the only reason these retards still exist

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>>522232
I know Miko was personally scouted by yagoo. I wonder if some others girls were as well

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>>522064
The way I see it going is the same way livestreams went in the past where VTubers will start to form their own smaller groups and leave Cover. Especially if cover starts to get to bloated with talent.

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Yagoo should commit sudoku and let A-chan run the company.

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The only reason they're still alive is they struck gold with every gen, whoever is in charge of talent hiring deserves a raise I don't care how much he's making already give him more.

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>>521809
Kevin Nash should sue COVER

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>>522191
she debuted after gen1 auditions closed

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>>522232
You guys say this but their management is pretty involved in the activities of their talents behind the scenes. We only hear about the scandals, of which there's a lot, but Haachama's manager letting her do this entire horror arc seems to imply some of the managers are quite lax. The managers that overmanage seem quite bad though, like Enma not letting Gura collab with JP's and Jenma not letting Calli collab with indie vtubers.

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>>522446
>Haachama's manager

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>>522458
Her manager did veto her Ringfit Lotion ASMR stream because he thought she'd get hurt.

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>>522446
She needs a manager that's fluent in english. That last marshmallow stream was awful and included obvious personal attacks and insults. Schizos are going to send shit like this in anyway, but if you actually let it get on stream, you can't be considered anything but a failure. Management either didn't filter them at all, or were too incompetant to do it correctly.

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>>522359
>talent scout for HoloLive
>go through hundreds of auditions for Gen 5
>find extremely talented girls who can connect to fans
>Cover hands them to a fucking retard manager
>manager does nothing to protect talents or make sure their shit is in order
>after 1 week one of the brightest talents has graduated
>manager makes things even worse afterwards
>finally the Yakuza Princess threatens to put the entire board in Cement Shoes if they don't do something
>marvel at how amazing of a talent scout you are that you were able to identify such strong talents who could recover from such a bad start
>even the one who graduated is proving she was the correct choice
>"Sorry Talent-san we small company understand we can not give raise you still work minimum okay?!"

SASUGA TALENT-SAN!

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>>522709
Holyshit that is so uncalled for. Changs must've been behind this.

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>>522709
She picked those on purpose retard. It was funny and she gave a silly answer. Calli also picked this one and her manager clearly is fluent in English.

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>>522709
I personally thought that was hilarious. A little bit of banter is nothing to be ashamed of. Just look at how Tsukino Mito or Mea interacts with her fans.

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>>521232
A great idea marred by Japanese corporate culture.

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>>521232
They're fine

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>>522064
>Hopefully other agencies stop bending the fucking knee and actually outcompete them..
I don't ever see this happening unless the talent/agency is also Japanese. American/western agencies have too much baggage right now and have to appease too many arbitrary people with arbitrary rulesets in order to be successful. A japanese agency can simply step in, outright state their demands for talent, and get auditions every time .

I would love if Niji actually did step up and attempt NijiEN but not a lazy rehash.

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>>522709
holy shit whoever sent that should unironically dilate, seethe, cope and kys

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>>522709
She may have chose that on purpose to fuck with the person who submitted it.

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>>523023
calm down kid

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>>522064
>Hopefully other agencies stop bending the fucking knee and actually outcompete them..
I don't ever see this happening. Even something like VShoujo is ultimately going to be beholden to twitter, reddit, or chinks by the nature that they live or die on the western social media platforms. One wrong move by one of their talent and twitter/google can press the magic button to make them disappear.

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>>522840
You are correct, there are some schizos at NGA that hate Haachama inefficacy to haven't proper learnt english all these years in Australia. They mock her because they think she just went there to live the foreign european dream instead of attaching herself to her asiatic roots.

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>>523101
That also applies to every company even Japanese one.

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I WILL NEVER FORGIVE THE JAPANESE

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>>523124
Incorrect. If a Japanese company pisses off the screeching nationalists/socialists/just plain retarded nolifers in a country, they can always fall back on Japanese social media or the Japanese language sphere.
An english one isn't going to have that, and the english speaking internet right now has just as many obscure, hard to understand, and downright contradictory trigger points as the Chinese-speaking one does right now. They're just different sets of trigger points. And to be good with the main platform holders, you have to appease all of them. You don't get the 'I'm Japanese and this cultural faux pas makes zero sense to me' card with something like VShoujo.
Case in point: 'NIGGAAAA'

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>>523088
dilate

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>>523005
>I don't ever see this happening unless the talent/agency is also Japanese
Are you familiar with the Thai vtuber agency, Polygon? Check them out https://twitter.com/Polygon_Project

They're pretty new but they got their shit together. If anyone can dethrone Hololive it would be them.

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>>521605
>>521605
What terrible examples, Kana left Tsunderia because she was really bad at reaching out and collabing with other members, the few collabs she was in were pretty bad. Her character and model aren’t anything Hololive needs.

If you know anything about nijifags, buying out Moruru’s character and model from Nijisanji would be more trouble than it’s worth. Luna loves the dumb baby character she has now, it is what she wanted.

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>>523845
I didn't say Luna doesn't prefer her new model, or that Kana personally should be in Hololive. I just used them as examples of high quality models that COULD fit into Hololive without needing to be replaced. Kani Kanizawa is another youtube that's been hyped up as a possible HoloEN2 and her model is quite nice. This isn't a discussion at all about their personalities or anything, just that it's a shame seeing good models go to waste when they join Hololive.

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>>521756
774 has sexual harassment, Nijisanji has bullying in their main branch and overseas branches, Cover has incompetent management that doesn’t protect its talents. Japanese companies are fucking awful.

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>>522273
Shion was.

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>>523845
>Her character and model aren’t anything Hololive needs.
Fucking this. They have too two foxes and cutesy introverts.

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>>523990
Was Shion NND streamer like other girls?

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Bet they have Yakuza ties

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>>524179
No, Shion and Hachaama were from twitcast.

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>>522064
>other agencies
im not a holofag but you literally have no fucking clue if you mean its a western shit company

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>>522503
god I want to pop mollys with her and fuck

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>>522446
No real evidence that Enma is doing such a thing and Jenma isn't Calli's manager.

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honestly they should change their company name, because they certainly don't "Cover" anything and anyone, unless it's their ass

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THINGS COVER STAFF SHOULD DO FOR THEIR TALENT
>Help them organize schedules.
>Talk to other managers to help organize collabs. Say one stream Holo A says she'd like to collab with Holo B someday but she's too shy to ask. Holo A's manager should at the very least float the idea to Holo B's manager.
>Get permissions for games they want to stream.
>Keep track of their physical and mental health. If it looks like they are getting burnt out, give them a break.
>Make sure their connections and equipment are functioning well. Buy or reimburse them on things they need to stream. Lobby to fix problems with models or rigging if there is any.
>Watch their streams when possible and monitor any technical problems or interruptions.
>Teach them basic coporate OPSEC, research and scrub their past lives to avoid doxxing.
>As much as possible, keep track of Antis. That's not to say every anonymous comment can be followed up on, but if some guy says he knows where a Holo lives and is gonna visit her, maybe take action.
>Teach the newer ones how Hololive works, what will be expected of them, both from the fans and the company. This includes memberships, concerts, collabs, merchandise, pricing, etc.
>Support and protect them from outrage nothingburgers by Antis (this includes easily offended insectoid bugmen)
>Hire competent staff with background in talent management for managers, translators, mods, etc.
>Filter questions/SC for harassment, self-help, and not interesting questions.
>Use their prestige and connections to hook their talent up with songwriters, movie makers, artists, who want to make things for them.
>Screen all fanmade content that the Holos want to feature.
>Help foreign ones with visa so they can stay in Japan.
>Give Watame an oppai mousepad.
>Focus on EN and JP Holos because they are the only important ones.
>Put some effort into the presentation of their big end of year multi branch live.
>Help them with projects.
>Acknowledge when they fuck up and move to rectify.

THINGS COVER STAFF ACTUALLY DOES FOR THEIR TALENT
>Why the fuck would a manager help with scheduling?
>Some managers barely even talk to their Holos let alone other managers. Lamy's manager said she wasn't a good fit with anyone. Coco is being prevented from collabing with EN. Calli may be barred from collabing with certain Holos.
>Just play Overcooked, Dark Deception, and that one fucking "game" with the plug people.
>Harass and stalk them.
>Source your own equipment, not like it's critical to your job or anything.
>Fix your own streaming issues, we're not a tech company or anything.
>Hire SEAniggers who will harass and stalk them.
>Oh hey one of our talents reported that her manager is harassing and stalking her? Better not do anything about it.
>Figure it out yourself lol. Maybe we'll make a keychain for you after two years. Also we decide your image so if Watame wants an oppai mousepad, she can suck it.
>Teach their Holos to apologize for mistakes the company made in an attempt to shift blame.
>Kneel and bootlick angry Antis and suspend their talents hoping it will appease them (It won't RIP ALOE).
>Hire incompetent people with no background in talent management as staff, rather they are just SEAnigger fans (*oserbait) and end up being at best fucking "SAY THE THING" creeps, (like the HoloEN manager Marine met) and at worst people who will one day rape and kill the Holo (*yger, Mel's manger).
>Pick the worst and most Gosling questions.
>Suisei has literally released one original song since she joined Hololive. She released two while she was indie. Kiara had to go commission her own song without Cover.
>Let tracers through and make your Holo look like a fool for having to hastily retract emotes after announcing them.
>Hang them out to dry, not my problem lmao.
>Watame, that's not your image, no oppai mousepad for you.
>Have more Indog Holos because people totally asked for that.
>Nah let's just videotape a fucking screen.
>Shot down Pekora's project, made her cry. Marine has to provide half the funding for her project out of her own pocket, despite Cover raking in millions.
>Oh we gave a bunch of Chinks mod powers in Coco's chat, tech company btw. Sucks that all these fans got banned, just submit a ticket through our fucking website, we have our best intern on it probably.

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>>525893
>shot down Pekora's project, made her cry
When did this happen?

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>>525893
>>Help foreign ones with visa so they can stay in Japan.
why should they. the current "learn english/japanese language" contents except for kiara and coco are a fucking joke. its literally entry-level weebshit and its all they can do at this point.

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>>526265
>Why should a company help provide Visas for it's workers?

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>>526303
why should they live in japan when they cant speak japanese at all. kiara can propose that and get some decent job at the holo jp office or some jp otaku company if she really wants to live there but the other en members cant even speak

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>>525893
The Aloe one still grinds my gears because there are a million things Cover could have done. Like extremely basic things and they failed at every single step in some cases actually making things worse for her.

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>>525893
nice armchair business management

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hot take.
Cover hiring strict manager like Enma for EN was in fact good decision.

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>>528633
Managers help maintain quality but it comes at a price

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>>523205
Anon, Japan has more than their fair share of screeching idiots that get mad at complete non issues and have bizarre para social relationships with just about anyone they look at once.

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>>528633
where's this rrat of enma being strict even come from?

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>>529196
Japanese are on another level with their cancel culture. Everyone claiming that is bad in the west didn't see shit what happens in moonland

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>>523285
I will dilate your anus rn

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>>527976
What were Cover supposed to do?
Aloe wasn't ashamed of her sexposting, she never bothered to hide it and she didn't scrub that twitcast video off the internet. NND, Futaba and 5ch doxxed her. They organized harassment raids in the NND Hololive anti threads. Cover nuked the NND threads and took the niji schizos that were sending death threats and harassing her to court. They threw the manager under the bus to redirect some of the hate off her, but she quit right as they were expecting her to start streaming again. As Delta she talks about how it was her fault and that her abusive family played a role in her quitting.

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>>526029
Earlier this moth.
Peko-chan was streaming, got a called, abruptly ended the stream, privated it, took a berak of two or three days.

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>>529610
Cover should not have her apologized publicly.
Can you imagine being forced to apologize in front of thousands of people for some inane bullshit?

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>>529678
ESLchama...

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>>529857
hachamachachacha

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>>529535
cope

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>>521293
That's what happened to Gooruh though. A lot of HER fans realised who she was, and subbed, probably

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>>523937
THERE IS NO BULLYING IN NIJI
STOP THIS NARRATIVE

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>>530008
bro theres like 100 of them plus they have no real sense of comradery of course theres bullying

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>>529732
Anything else?

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>>521232
Shit company and management. I like their talents though.

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>>530157
stop making up excuses like how she leaked her live2d. we all know this was bullshit. they never cared and was just looking for something to blame.

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>>529732
Japanese do public apologies all the time, it's part of the culture

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>>523845
>do reps
>sub 1000 views
Jesus, how did Luna end up in Hololive?

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>>530349
their corporate culture yes. they're regularly performed by ojitans.
that girl is like what, 20? she cant possibly handle the pressure.

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>>522503
was she gonna give her ownself shocks?

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>>530461
>gosling itou
pegora?!

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>>530442
It's so people would go slightly easier on her for apologizing. In hindsight it didn't do shit.
She had other issues no one could have known about.

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>>521232
They've had some fuckups and they're not perfect but I think Yagoo himself is a good dude and they're really good at scouting talents and they have the best designs. Their biggest problem is a lack of internal consistency, some managers really overstep their boundaries and some do jack shit all

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>>526432
Because actually living in Japan is the highway to Japanese fluency. You still have to study of course, but it's also a lot easier to find people to talk to. It absolutely makes sense for cover to help them move to Japan if they want to.

You can more make a point against it by arguing that covering more timezones catches more people, but even that is probably a rather weak argument.

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>>530329
So don't apologize and don't make up any excuse. Anything more Cover can do to improve the situation?

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>>529287
Mori getting all her collab ideas denied.
Coco getting radio silence from EN managers.

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Lazy company which delegates too much busy work to their frontline talents. Cover should be helping out a lot more with the Coco situation. It also sounds like they leave the talents mostly in charge of merchandise which totally baffles me. Cover owns the rights to the character designs; if the talents want to provide feedback then fine but Cover should own the merch R&D process.

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>>528633
Isn't there a rrat that Jenma was the former CN manager?
If true she's probably running a tight ship after what happened.

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I have the slight feeling that Subaru's manager wants to turn her into a fujo

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>>522191
>which is what made her form VShojo.
Vshojo was formed by a guy though.

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>>530807
That's something I like about them. It would suck if cover was in charge of merchandise. It's more interesting for the talents to have to go through the trouble of coming up with something.

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I feel like Cover makes as many good decisions as bad. They have god-tier scouting and their events and 3D streams are great, but goddamn their managers suck.

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>>533383
Outside of a very few high-profile cases, what don't you like about Cover's management?

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>>529287
They don't let the ENs collab with any outsiders.

People expected they'd be open to the idea as long as it wasn't anyone controversial or unsuitable like Melody and the vshowhores but nothing's getting through for EN. Not even Pikamee.

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>>533630
To be fair, this is a rat and it might be up to the talent.
Ame and Gura barely collaborate as it is. Kiara has some autistic Jap/Idol loyalty to the point where her own audience had to drag her for weeks, before she even considered allowing Holostars on Holotalk.
This leaves Ina and Mori. Ina doesn't have much time to stream, so the fact she did Pochi is a small miracle. Mori is the big unanswered questionmark, but it is in the realm of possibility that her collaborations were with people that are not compatible with the Hololive brand.

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>>522709
>>522928
I know she was a bit of a hikki, but do you REALLY belieb she lived in Australia without learning how to banter? She knew what she was doing

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>>530437
I think that's a fan archive. Also they don't care how many views you get, they care that you can consistently make quality content.

[Anonymous No.]

>YAGOO
>+100 to Talent Acquisition
>-100 to Talent Management

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>>521232
Cover is what happens when you get a tech company to be an entertainment agency all of a sudden. Aka incompetency

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>>530780
>Mori getting all her collab ideas denied.
Enma isn't Calli's manager.
>Coco getting radio silence from EN managers.
All three of them?

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>>533856
https://files.catbox.moe/usdcmt.webm