Singers in Hololive

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Okay, let's try this. Suisei is pretty clearly regarded as being the best (voice+technique+popularity+accomplishments) singer in Hololive. However, after her, the 2nd place is pretty well contested between a lot of Holos who release banger after banger (or at least have a lot of great karaoke covers). So, who do you think ranks as amongst Hololive's best singers?

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Suisei is very very good, it's true, but in terms of singing quality I think both Risu and Azki are better than her.

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Update: In the OP pic I somehow forgot daisenpai, Watame, and not to mention the singing diva herself AZKi. Turns out Hololive has a lot of talented singers! Meanwhile, Bae's new EP might earn her a spot on the list. Please take them into account as well, and anyone else I might have missed.

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>>53109498
Of course varies on the metric, id say overall Calli will be #2 simply based on her achievements, marine is a better singer but isn't focused on music aqua can be considered the same, then there is watame who is trying to advance her music carrier (fins is a fucking banger) towa, Kanata, moona, risu can be considered on the same level and then bae who is trying to go the sololive route.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By8x65oteIw
Ahem...

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>>53109498
IRyS isn't a singer anymore she just happens to be a vtuber that sings

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>>53109498
Towa = Okayu > Sora = Suisei = Watame > The rest

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>>53109739 (Me)
Forgot some important people you have Sora who is signed with a label but dosent seem to particularly care? I think she just wants to focus more on hololives overall growth rather then her individual growth which is fine.
Azki recently signed and she is more passionate about her music carrier both in hololive and rm her success as a streamer has inclined her music carrier a bit but there is much left to improve on, i think cover will integrate her more in events or even holoearth as they can still brand her as the resident vsinger of hololive.

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>>53109498
Gura and Mumei dont give off the image of a singer. Senchou have alot of achievements but not specialized in singing. Calli more of a rapper that can sing. Moona and Risu are surprisingly good. Towa and Suisei as singer is a no brainer. Irys is literally a vsinger but more of a funny streamer.

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>>53109498
Gura isn't a singer.

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Enna is better than any Holo.

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>>53110123
Someone didn't watch her streams

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>>53109498
Moona

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>>53109498
Moona & Marine > Suisei, desu.

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>>53109498
1. Risu
2. IRyS
3. Sora
4. AZKi
5. Suisei
6. Moona
7. Gura
8. Towa
9. Watame
10. Mumei

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>>53109498
>(voice+technique+popularity+accomplishments)
I think those criteria make a ranking very hard to understand. How many albums do you need to sell before you're better than someone who has better technique than you?

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>>53109498
Bae is a better singer than Mumei. Their covers of Queen and Animal prove it.

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>>53109498
gawr is on another level

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>>53110485
Eh, they are both good at their own things. I'd say Mumei has far better technique but Bae has a lot more power in her voice. I really like them both.

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>>53109498
>Marine
>singer
come on now lol

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>>53110485
>>53110550
Whenever I tune in Bae's karaoke streams she sounds horrible. What are you guys smoking?

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Risu is objectively the best singer in hololive

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>>53110661
Bae fucks around a lot in karaoke so it isn't the best representation of her skill. I don't know how you can listen to her music and say Bae is a bad singer.

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>>53109713
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>>53110332
I'm sorry, but how do people put Watame over someone like Kanata. Am I just deaf? I would easily put Kanata in the top 10

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>>53110825
meanwhile Mumei sounds super good in live karaoke

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>>53110867
All of Kanata's original music is pretty mediocre and there's a very nasal quality that comes through that many people don't like.

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>>53110825
She's a good singer with studio mixing and editing.
During live performances she falls flat.
For me, I don't really count that as a good singer.

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>>53109498
>Popularity and accomplishment

Do you seriously think this is a criteria of a good singer?

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>>53110867
>Am I just deaf?
Almost as deaf as Kanata herself. She's easily the most overrated "singer" in Hololive.

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>>53110906
>>53110825

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>>53109498
Popularity, accomplishments and marketability are all pretty straight forward and you can tell who the front runners of those are pretty easily just from things like subscribers, video views, music views, sponsorships, merch sales, lives, event participation, etc.
The exact order of the top singers would really depend on how heavily each factor that contributes to being one of Hololive's best singers is valued.
In a literal sense, a "best singer" would easily be AZKi since she almost definitely has a greater skillset and better technique than anyone else in Hololive. However, she has extremely low marketability and none of her songs go viral. A lot of her songs don't really play to her strengths or have mainstream pop appeal. The two ID girls have great voices and good technique, but the ID debuff is pretty strong. Sora is also good but apparently some people get filtered by her voice and genre.
A lot of songs (releases and utawaku) are relatively "safe" with vocal requirements that can be met by pretty much anyone. There are buff songs like My Dearest that can sound good even if the songer isn't the best. Meanwhile, how many holos can sing Risu's ALiCE&u or AZKi's Nanaware Enemy without sounding like complete trash?
https://youtu.be/IGviVpVE1fA
https://youtu.be/EpuB_c03dZ0
Then there's the touch ups of studio releases, Cover's "live" performances, etc. Then factor in the simp vision people have towards their favorite chuubas. Then also include the fact that people conflate "song I enjoy" with "good singer".
You won't get a useful answer from the catalog. You'd be better off going to each general and asking for their chuuba's best songs, and comparing them yourself. If you're lucky the asshats in /vsinger/ might help you out if they're not busy jerking each other off over their thread favorites.

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>>53111244
Risu, IRyS, and AZKi are all tier 0 for me. Everybody else slots in under them. They have the best technique and their songs are the hardest to sing.

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>>53110661
Are you serious? I overall don't care much for Bae, but there's no denying that her singing is very good.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xXKAmCZpso
Anyone that doesn't list Risu as number one is objectively retarded. Multiple holos have pointed out that alice&u is incredibly hard to sing. Including Suisei, Fubuki, Mio, Moona Reine,, Kobon and Ollie.

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Severe lack of hololive singers in >>53072593 vsinger thread

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>>53109498

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>>53111625
That's nice. Now have someone who can actually speak english sing the song and it might actually be enjoyable to listen too.

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SS tier- Suisei, Towa, Risu
S tier- Irys, Moona, Gura,
A tier- Mumei, Kanata, Sora, Azki, Lui

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>>53111625
Peak Risu ngl, but i dunno her voice is kinda declining for me lately

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https://youtu.be/5kb7skBq8bY

Risu mogged Suisei in her own song

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>>53111726
Hololive isn't discussed much there since:
1. There's already plenty of threads to discuss Holo's singers, like the catalog, Global, and various splits. For instance, Suisei is a valid topic of discussion in the VSinger thread, but is probably best left to the other threads to prevent the VSinger thread from becoming Hololive-dominated, especially during events and big karaokes, and forcing the creation of a new non-Holo singer thread.
2. Hololive has some good singers, but only the top handful are really comparable to the best dedicated singers (i.e. recruited solely based on their singing) in the industry. If you take the guests from Suisei's radio episode from earlier today and compare their singing to the average Hololive singer the difference should speak for itself.

>>53109498
Suisei > AZKi > Sora ~ Moona ~ Risu >>>>> rest

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>>53110967
agreed her original stuff isn't amazing in terms of singing
>>53111143
I've always thought the opposite where Kanata gets underrated by most people nowadays since she doesn't do karaoke as much anymore and she gets left off lists like these. Idk if you count 3d lives but she blows me away during those. She is inconsistent during karaokes due to her condition, but she is still pretty good imo. For me I don't know if I have ever heard Watame sing something and was blown away or very impressed by it. She sounds just fine and good to me, but nothing amazing. Watame can be more consistent, but Kanata quite easily has the better peaks by a longshot

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>>53111726
That's because they're all fucking shit at singing and nobody who enjoys music and singing listens to anything hololive related.

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I can't comment on JP much but in EN it's:
Gura >>> IRyS > Kronii > Mumei > Bae > Mori > Fauna > Ina > Ame > Kiara
I'd like to rank Mori lower but EN has too many girls that can't sing for shit

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>>53112877
Peak discord post

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>>53109498
Kobo has earned her right to be in that collage. Reine too.

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>>53112877
I love fauna, shes the cutest dork, but she is easily the worst singer in hololive as a whole.

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IRyS probably has the best raw vocals, her karaoke performances sound nearly studio quality

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>>53113114
Worse than Ame and Kiara? Are you sure?
I wouldn't mind swapping her place with Ina's tho

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Why is Mori there she can't sing

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Step aside plebs.

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>>53112468
It's already nothing but kamitsubaki/riot central with ritual posts from Mair and Hachi's corpos
Holosingers being posted there would only improve thread quality.

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>>53112877
>Kroniis above Bae and Mumei
>Fauna above anyone
But why

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>>53110867
Kanata could sing two type of song (cool and somewhat dramatic tones) very well, like grade A good. Others kinda hit or miss depends on the day. Her development stopped because of her condition.
Watame could sing any type of song consistently like B+ grade good, except the lower (male) range which is ironic since she loves singing those type of song but she is getting better at it.

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>>53113777
>Kroniis above Bae and Mumei
Because her karaoke are among the best in HoloEN
>Fauna above anyone
In my mind Fauna and Ina are bad at singing but Ame and Kiara are terrible, you could make 2 tiers out of those 4 with Fauna being in the less bad one

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>>53113254
I helped that thread get going back in 2021. Suggested it should be a general and bump it once in a while. It's nice that they're still talking about Hachi, and sometimes mention a few of My own favorites like Ririsya, Miori, Hibana, Chapipi, etc, but I just avoid the thread most of the time since it's just link spamming and don't really offer anything constructive or informative anymore.
Suisei gets talked about in there though, while other holos just recieve autistic screeching most of the time.

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>>53114045
Fauna and Ame are awful, but Kiara and Ina can sing. She doesn't even have the charm Ame has so she's just straight up the bottom.
Why are you even basing this on? Same question for Kroniis here. What's the basis of this when Bae and Mumei exist?

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>>53114274
>Why are you even basing this on?
Solely on how much I enjoy each member's karaoke

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>>53114422
Thank you for your input but your feelings are not a measurement on what is best.

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>>53112468
Suisei herself said Risu mogs her during her review of last years holofes.

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>>53114520
As opposed to yours?

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>>53114576
I just don't hear it when I listen to Risu.

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>>53110867
Kanata is good, but she really hasn't found her way yet i have listened to most of her songs and like her covers more, and she is limited to what she can do because her health seems to keep getting worse so watame would be above her by default.

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>>53114602
You rate Ame, Fauna, Kiara and Ina as "bad singing" as if it's a quantifiable quality, group them against each other and then back it up with literally absolutely nothing.

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>>53114906
Yes and?
Are you saying bad singers don't exist because "bad" is an arbitrary quality and all of them are physically capable of singing thus making them equals?

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>>53110735
Is the volcano supposed to represent any fanbase or is it there just for the sake of making the picture more primitive?

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>>53109498
In no particular order: Sora, AZKi, Suisei, Aqua, Towa, Okayu.

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>>53109498
Why even include Marine? She's objectively a bad singer

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>>53115066
The "good" half of your list are based on what you prefer but then on the "bad" list somehow you're able to quantify who is worse than the other. You can't say "Iike Kroniis over bae" and then Turn around and say Fauna is better than Ina in the same tier rating because you're conflating quality with your own preference.

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>>53115589
nigga you gay

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Anyone that still thinks Gura is top tier in EN just doesn't watch EN karaokes.
IRyS and Mumei have surpassed her long ago.

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gura hasn't done a karaoke from her home in well over 6 months so not exactly sure what we are supposed to be watching

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>>53115606
What the fuck are you talking about?
The entire list is based around who I think sings better or worse because that's the point of discussion in this thread
The good ones are sorted by who I believe are the best singers while the worst ones are sorted by who I believe are the worst ones
The distinction among the last 4 gets kinda hard because all 4 of them are bad but I would argue that Fauna is less bad than Kiara thus placing Fauna above Kiara
The one point I would be willing to concede is that Ina could stand above Fauna, they're similar enough in level that it could go either way

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>>53115864
Best =/= enjoy the most
Someone you enjoy the most is not necessarily the best, and vice versa.

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>>53110332
I love Sora, but putting her above Azki is insane

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>>53116285
Do Pioneers really?

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>>53116193
Oh now I get what you're buttmad about but I really don't care to correct any prior statement

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>>53114422
Singing has objectively measurable qualities you dumb fucking tranny.

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>>53110485
Cope, she sounds like a fucking ghoul. OP was right to leave her out
Brats are delusional...

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>>53115613
Moaning doesn't make her a good singer.

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>>53116405
You're just mad that Gura's campfire songs mog your hoeshi.

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>>53111201
Mooms is frustratingly inconsistent I don't know if she needs a vocal coach, more reps or just to fix her underlying health issues but whatever it is she definitely has the potential to be an absolute monster. Her voice is amazing and she has a surprising amount of range and control at times but has serious issues with endurance.

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Suisei is the fast food of singing.
If you're the type who'd like Kpop, you probably are the type who'd think Suisei is the best and all that as well.
I don't give a shit about her personality/tragic backstory or whatever bullshit you faggots keep on throwing out as your excuses: the majority of her songs are extremely lacking in any kind of soul.
They are made for the "I love strong independent women with deep voices and want a strong woman to peg me and call me a good boy" faggots to instantly cream themselves from the one regular type of singing she constantly repeats in the majority of her songs and for them to then naturally reach the conclusion that "this must be the best singer and person in existence" and then spread their garbage opinions like undeniable gospel (punishable by death for disagreement) like the redditors they are.

She has only like a few songs which are actually pretty decent and all of them seem to be the result of finally somebody with a lick of a soul composing a song for her and (probably) forcing her not to sing it in her staple one-trick way for a change.

Anyway, Azki is probably the best. Risu is overrated. Sora a lmao. Towa has a unique voice, but is definitely far from mastering its usage for singing. Calli should get herself killed in a gang shootout. Haven't heard Irys enough. Marine has tons of soul, but not enough skill.

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Laplus poster speaks the truth. Anyone else doesn't know what they are talking about.

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>>53110332
>>53116285
>>53116365
AZKi > Sora singing is not a controversial take. If you include stage presence and dancing, it's a different story.

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>>53117182
based, thanks for the new pasta

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>>53110332
aint no fucking way you put irys over azki, suisei, and moona bro lmao

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>>53110867
you are. that nasally performance is shit and fucks up her singing quality. i legit cant tell if thats just how she sings or if shes trying to keep character but i cant handle the nasal shit.

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>>53109498
dunno about that
suisei is a very good musician and is clearly a hard worker

her singing ability however, doesn't seem to reek of talent and can be quite average. She had an amazing performance in the one take, but that seemed to be the exception more than the norm

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haven't read the thread, I just came to say Mumei is the best EN singer when her limiters are off. anyone who disagrees should get the rope and hope they're not born deaf in their next life

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Gura has the greatest potential talent as a singer but unfortunately she is a major debuff to herself.

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>>53111726
It's both disappointing and refreshing that the quality of discussion in this fucking powerlevel thread of all things is higher than the average quality of vsinger threads recently

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>>53109498
Mori cringe rap isn't worth it
Moona is worse than Risu
Towa the walk tobacco doesn't belong here
Add Okayu, Ayame and Kobo to replace those

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>>53110485
Bae only better than loud mouth Ollie and worse than the rest

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>>53110123
Karaoke, you have not watched… concerts, you did not go…

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>>53111551
Nah she's below average. Even worse than herpes mouth La+

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>risu
>suisei
>azki
>moona
>bae
>watame
>towa
>irys
>calliope
>mumei
>gura
>kiara
>ame (shes been doing reps, i'm impressed. still not great but compared to debut?)
>fauna
>kronii

in the end it all boils down to taste, if you prefer technical skill, if you prefer character voice, if you prefer specific voice types though.

but real facts is that astel could outsing any of these girls lol

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>>53118274
laplus herself says her shit is autotuned to hell and back and that she's a shit singer. you cannot tell me shes a shit singer after connect the world, her performance was insane.

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>>53118382
Why are you including random JPs but all of EN? Do you just genuinely believe that these people are the top 15 singers?

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>>53118437
Laplus did not perform at connect the world, retard

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>>53118198
easy up on the ellipses, ESL-kun

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>>53118437
You don't know if her performance was also autotuned.

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>>53117182
>Suisei is the fast food of singing.
Your post gave me food poisoning, McDonAnon.

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>>53111143
This. People constantly judge quality of the singer when songs can be heavily edited and mixed. Kronii sounds a lot better in covers but like karaoke? Not at all.

Mumei and Bae are incredibly mid in karaoke. But actually decent when it’s been edited to hell.

Only competent flexible singer in EN who’s been the most consistent are Irys and Gura. When they fuck up they wear it on their shoulders, their flaws are never covered up like the rest.

Can seethe at gura as much as you want but be honest with yourself.

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>>53118462
no but im too lazy to list all 40ish members this is just off the top of my head and memory. if you have a specific girl you'd like me to rank go ahead lol

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>>53118561
Why list all of EN?

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>>53118516
i was referring to bae's performance in the second half of the sentence, shitheel. i was contrasting the previous comment sayin laplus was a good/better singer than bae. which is demonstrably false.

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>>53118588
there are fewer members and it's easier to rank like 10 people over 40.

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>>53117182
>Marine has tons of soul, but not enough skill.
In other words you "like" her but she's actually bad.

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>>53109498
Best accent: Gura, Risu, Kobo, Okayu, Polka, Kronii
Best skill: Sui, Kanata, Watame, Ayame
Best dance: Aki, Korone, Nene, YMD, Moona

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>>53118627
Bae's live kamipyoi was much better than the Shion/Lap duo

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>>53118685
You could just say you only watch and care about EN.

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>>53109498
IRyS is really good technial wise while Moona has a powerful voice. But my two favs are Gura Mumei. Their singing is often more unique and special.

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>>53118759
not true. vtuber i watch most is probably korone or roberu. and in EN i really only watch Kiara.

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>>53112877
Putting kiara last is a bit harsh she’s shown she can sing, but I can’t stand that high pitch shit she does where she plays into bird voice + her song selection just isn’t for me and doesn’t suit her strengths.

Mumei and bae are higher than Kronii, other than that I agree with the list

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>>53118828
this. when she sings closer to her actual voice, she sounds great. holo27 proved that definitively. she sounded amazing in that, as well in all her originals that were in lower register (most of DO U was like this except the chorus)

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>>53118554
>Kronii sounds a lot better in covers but like karaoke? Not at all.
Fix your damn ear chud. Her karaoke is the most kino

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>>53118706
Just because the duo aren't too good together doesn't mean the rat is better than the bicorn

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>>53118921
Listen, I love kronii but be honest her voice isn’t all that. Not the worst in EN or anything like that but not how you hype it up to be

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>>53118704
>Best skill
>Kanata, Ayame
lol

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>>53118921
Post 1 song where she sings good.

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>gura
That abysmal "karaoke" in her birthday live says otherwise RUMAO

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An interesting take is how high people rate Sora. Not that I think that's wrong at least now a days, but in her early years in terms of pure ability she wasn't that great, her biggest strength was her range, but even that wasn't always consistent across songs. She had very average singing ability in a time when Vtubers were more about variety skits and edited gameplay videos.
In recent years she's gotten much better and you can tell she keeps up with her lessons. I can't find the early attempts, but I remember her first trying out Inochi and Shallys and it's all stumbles and false starts and then you compare that to her most recent karaokes and it's an amazing improvement.

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holy shit chumsharts are delusional

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>>53109498
Moona because she sings stuff I like, Fauna because I love her and her songs vary between good and acceptable. Bae gets third because her singing 'Mein Herr' is pure sex.

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>>53109498
gura is the best singer in holo

it's that simple

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>>53109498
>Top row
Hamster dance chorus + IRyS, does not a musical talent make

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>>53119997
>Bae gets third because her singing 'Mein Herr' is pure sex.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMubtVwDKp8
How do you like this shit?

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>>53118828
>Mumei and bae are higher than Kronii
Bae's originals are better than Kronii's
But Kronii's karaoke performance is better

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By that criteria is only Azki a singer dumbass?

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>>53109498
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-PfNgdVLUFY

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>all singing talk is about EN + Risu, Moona, Suisei, Sora and AZKi
>Blue Journey only features "singers" no one cares about

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>>53118921
Kronii has so little vocal confidence she sounds like she's been trafficked to Dubai and is being forced to sing for a sheik and his guards while they decide if they'll rape her or kill her or both.
That is a kind of kino.

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>>53120278
Bae seductively calling me 'Sir' in my native language and playfully telling me 'I liked the sex but can't be your wife teeheee ;)' activates my neurons. Pure mating press bait.

I mostly listen to rock and metal with a bunch of normiecore classical music like Vivaldi or Bartok mixed in, but I also enjoy these older, sexually playful songs like Mein Herr, Fever, etc

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>>53120042
I’d place Gura in my top 5 or even top 3 she’s got natural talent and adapts very quickly to almost anything but her main issue is range. If she worked on that she’d probably be my #1

However I gotta give that to Suisei and moona

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>>53120278
NTA but try this, all notes hit perfectly
Bae shines for songs she has practiced but she is mediocre on songs she hasn't. That's my evaluation on her
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmPcIbxKA3E

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>>53120759
There's a good singer hiding in there somewhere, but why take lessons when you're "good enough", huh ?.
You can see in 2:15 and 3:00 that she has trouble taking high notes without screaming.

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>>53120738
Fair enough if you speak the language, but it doesn't do anything for me.
>>53120759
Better but I'd still rank her on the lower end of EN

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Rating singing is useless for several reasons.
There's so much stuff to consider when judging singing ability: technique, range, power, vocal timbre,... Even less tangible skills like being able to project emotions. It's impossible to compare two good singers without going into those details.
If you're judging vtubers, what material are you comparing? Karaoke, live, official releases? Some girls have awful original songs, both in mixing and genre choice, despite being good singers. Some girls are not that good, but song choice and production makes them stand out.
Also, some people here are not qualified to discuss singing at all. I'm not even talking about knowing technical stuff, but more basic, fundamental issues. We've got people in this thread arguing that Fauna is a decent singer.

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>>53121347
Anon, people here aren't qualified to discuss vtubers and it doesn't stop them

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Professor of music at an Ivy League university here

Gura is the best hands down

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>>53121705
I believe you

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>>53121504
I was going to argue that trolling aside, it isn't that bad, but then I remembered we've got people watching Japanese chuuba without understanding the language. And there's also those who don't even watch clips but just read the title and thumbnail and then imagine what the girl is actually saying.

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>>53109498
copied
Gura is better singer than Suisei. Suisei is a one-trick pony who only knows how to belt in mixed voice (head dominant mix also)

Gura can both belt in mixed voice (1:02) and chest voice (1:21) for she is very capable and her bag of tricks is endless
https://litter.catbox.moe/u2ihbv.mp4
her low vocal register is nice too
https://litter.catbox.moe/51g2hq.mp4

"Gura hates belting but still mocks a lot of holos" this is what makes her a monster

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>>53121849
that was a good laugh thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.]

ITT fags comparing oneholes abilities to open mouth near the mic and then go through ten sound directors and producers Kpop Jungle Kok level of talent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53121849
you're still seething about this two years later?

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hHDatQUNWM

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>>53122227
woops
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmwaiqE4kgA&t=0s

[Anonymous No.]

>>53122181
Fag retard blow your brains out immediately

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>>53122306
Based

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>>53122227
Gura being pitch perfect is less than 1%. Even Okayu was amazed at her natural voice sent in, before it was mixed for the latest song collab.
Personally, I hate the mixing done to Gura's voice and wish they were left natural. It takes the emotion away.

As a chumbud, I prefer the song releases from ID. Still waiting on Gura to do the more slow, natural, emotional songs that she shines at.

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>>53123124
>>53123124
This.

Gura's voice is a miracle that defies human logic

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>>53119585
Early Sora only had opera in her repertoire and she wasn't even that good with it. So yeah as a singer Sora really had a rough starting point and it's amazing to see her improve herself over the years

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>>53109498
Mori isn’t particularly remarkable as a “singer”, but if we’re talking about who is the closest to being an actual music artist and not just a vtuber who sings, she’s right behind Suisei as one of the only Holos who is actually recognized outside the vtuber bubble her songs

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Gura is amazing at conveying emotion when she sings and that's what counts.
Being able to belt for 30 seconds and do complex riffs is worthless if people forget about you immediately. If I wanted to go "oh that's cool" for 30 seconds I'd go look up a singing challenge on tiktok

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>>53123841
Yeah, this kind of captures how I feel with a lot of holo singers. Only ones I can sit back and listen to comfortably is either Suisei or Gura. I’d pop into towa’s or okayu’s occasionally too.

Other than that I tire of listening to them after the first couple minutes and close stream. Baelz is decent but she’s so fucking loud it’s distracting.

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>>53113162
Thinking kiara is a bad singer is pure retardation, on 0ar with trannies thinkin cuttin off theur micropenis makes them a woman

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>>53118554
>Mumei
>mid in live karaoke
>decent edited
what are u talking about, mumei sounds absolutely better in live karaoke compared to her recorded songs

[Anonymous No.]

Vtuber fans wouldn't know good singing if it slapped them in the face. This also applies to some skilled vsingers which is honestly embarrassing but really telling of the entire industry.

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>>53124835
Uh huh go ahead post your garbage opera singer you love so much

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A thousand words can't replicate the experience of having heard good singers. Only by experience can you even start to compare and contrast. Before that it is theoretical.
Tell me the best JP and EN vsingers outside hololive you have heard, and then it will be easier to believe which holo you think are good at singing.

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>>53125170
Your mom gagging on my cock

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>>53118382
kek homo is not hololive beggar

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>>53109498
Someone needs to post that analysis done by an anon with a music theory graduate degree that basically proved Gura is the most musically talented member of Hololive, and it's not even close.
Sorry, but the shark just can't be beat.

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>>53125170
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qklnUf0qHR4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaUIXiEAYLE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjkDJHk2KrE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9eCSWEJYjk
Here are four JP girls I've been listening to the longest

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>>53120564
Goes to you should that shitposters do not represent the majority of the fanbase

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>>53126600
Majority of the fanbase hasn't given a single fuck about Blue Journey seeing how much of a flop it is so I would say this thread represents the fanbase pretty well.

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>>53120564
Blue Journey just stopped being a flop now that they finally started showing Holos along with the material.

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>>53110332
>>53117613
Yeah, sorry I don't like your list. Irys is good and deserves to be in the upper half of any "singers of hololive" list but her range is too limited to place her so close to the top. She's like a more dedicated-to-singing version of Gura and Mumei, blessed with a naturally pleasant singing voice and has superior control over her range, but the range itself is too limited to place her so close to the top.

I'd do the list like this:

Risu
Suisei
Azki
Moona
Irys
Sora
Mumei
Gura
Mori
Towa
Watame
Bae
Kanata - Honorable mention because she can be placed above Gura when she hits it like at live concerts, but that's not her normal.

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>>53118554
>Mumei and Bae are incredibly mid in karaoke.
>Mumei karaoke
>mid
Opinion discarded. She's among the best in EN.

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>>53127473
>Mumei above Gura
>azki above moona
> mori above Towa?!?!

Alright opinion immediately invalidated.

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>>53112468
Nice cope, but the real reason is that that is a dead thread with perhaps the most schizos per poster in the site outside of /x/ who lose their shit and go off if anyone posts links/talks about anyone not in the 3 view clique spammed there.

So nobody posts at all.

Quality of singing has nothing to do with it, just took a look at the thread and yep, its a worthless shithole not worth bumping still.

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>>53113254
yeah but that would require going in that cesspool

pass

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>>53114053
same used to go there, until the schizo screeching became overwhelming

thought it would improve with the move to /jp/, but the schizos remained

all that happens there is schizo screeching and link spamming that nobody ever even replies to or seems to watch and the same 3 or so mentally ill schizos telling each other to kill themselves

its sad, place used to be okay

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>>53128326
>Mumei above Gura
Yes, Mumei is above Gura because when she's singing normally, she's roughly equal, and when she pushes herself, she's better. Refer to >>53111201 for an example of why. Mumei clearly struggles but Gura can't even approach this.

>azki above moona
This was a hair-splitting contest for me, they could flip positions with another song release. I chose this because Moona has better quality on occasion (High Tide and Villain are good examples) but I find Azki is more consistently good.
>mori above Towa?!?!
You can argue this if you like but I simply do not like the sound of Towas singing voice, I've yet to hear a song of hers that I've put on my playlist, Mori has several.

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>Thread about singing
>Suiseu
>Gura
Why do you keep falling for this low-effort bait?

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>>53120564
love the blue journey roster

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>>53128750
Hearing that flipped my opinion quickly. When I saw her on this 3x3 I laughed a little to myself, but that is all the proof you need that Mumei has the ability, wether or not she would ever choose to fully harvest it is a different issue.
On another note, it still makes me laugh that some people will be instantly turned off and call someone bad for having an accent/being ESL. I promise you there are plenty of people who would instantly ignore Risu because she starts with English in her original.

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>>53111625
And no one ever sings any of IRyS's songs because they are too hard (and they don't all suck)

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>>53109498
Suisei is shit. They keep TELLING us how amazing she is, but, well... "Any man who must say 'I am the king' is no true king." - your homeboy Tywin Lannister. Nobody 'actually' listens to her. There's a reason she failed her audition multiple times.

Mumei > IRyS > Mori > Luna > Gura... and I can't rank the others against each other very well. But anybody who doesn't top their list with IRyS, Mori, or Mumei is almost certainly a clipshitter.

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>>53129482
marvelous bait.

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>>53109498
Nevermind the best, who's the worst?

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>>53129809
sovl

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>>53109949
According to herself there are a lot of projects going on ... we never see them though

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>>53129809
I think there's also a lot of fun in being terrible but having fun with it anyways and stull willing to do them somewhat frequently.
Kiara isn't bad but she has to stop being so fucking serious during her karaokes.

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>>53109498
Raw power is risu
Raw talent is irys
Work ethic and success suicei

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>>53121849
better example for her belting in mixed voice https://youtu.be/XRoVpIyrXPc

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>>53129050
>Hearing that flipped my opinion quickly.
I think it's a shame because she's capable of being a top tier singer but it seems throat and lung/coughing issues prevent her from going any higher. I don't even think she's had a single karaoke stream since she got sick a while ago.
>On another note, it still makes me laugh that some people will be instantly turned off and call someone bad for having an accent/being ESL
Yeah, I'll admit I slept on Risu and Moona until I heard them at 4th fes. I never watched Risu much outside of clips about nut jokes, but I had seen some Moona karaoke and she was signing english songs and the accent really threw me off but she was technically decent at least.

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>>53117773
It only seems that way because Suisei is adventurous in picking her setlists so it may seem that her singing is inconsistent. When Suisei is in element, her singing ability is unmatched in hololive.

Good examples of this are U and Kakusei from her 3D Live, and Tsumi to Batsu from her karaoke.

For me, a singer that can do 10/10 on select songs but only 7/10 on other songs is a better singer than a singer who can consistently do an 8/10 on most songs.

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number of songs, EPs, and numbers do not automatically translate to the quality of the singer, nor does popularity. you can easily look at main stream music from anywhere and see how many "artists" are merely propped up by marketing, uncritical fanbases, and music production magic.
for en, i like to listen all the following, but bae can be flat quite frequently. mumei has a special voice that can be honed into something amazing, but she needs more confidence and less sickness, along with vocal training. IRyS has a beautiful voice, but it needs...seasoning, don't know how else to say it. gura's voice is pleasing and she has natural talent, but she needs a project that really places a stress test on her vocals.
for jp, i like suisei's voice a lot, but for some reason, i don't find myself listening to her consistently. chloe's voice surprised me, but i still don't find myself listening to her consistently. towa is great and I do listen to her a lot, but only several songs.
for id, i only like moona's singing, but she needs more songs.
however, i also use a different "metric" for myself: emotional weight. while subjective, i think it captures for me the actual meat and potatoes of what distinguishes a karaoke singer from a singer worth a crowd's attention, while also leaving critical room to note when a singer "fails" at a certain song. ex: i think suisei's voice is awesome, but i am not required to like everything she puts out, nor am i required to think she is some vocal goddess that cannot make mistakes.
the only singers I have "felt" some kind of depth exuding from their singing is suisei, towa, mumei, and IRyS (though she doesn't quite achieve this consistently). out of these, i would hope that mumei eventually reaches a practiced ability and confidence, because there is something there can come out strongly. this was seen in her performance of "palette."

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>>53129985
hopefully she didn't receive the bonking of a lifetime yesterday at the studio

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Anyone who thinks Mori is a top tier singer has no right to judge anyone

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>>53110967
I like Kanata's originals. She even showed Kanatoes in one of them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zREufEpj0zM

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>>53134494
they can be enjoyable listens, but the problem is that she doesn't show the singing talent she has and the song choice isn't her strength either. As someone who likes Kanata's singing alot I'm like godamn just make a song where you can belt, sing really high notes, or be able to put some power in your voice which is where she shines and sounds great. She doesn't really even do that with her cover songs that much anymore. It's basically just during 3d lives where she shows that stuff off and it's frustrating

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>>53118921
this is meant to be straightforward: your bias is showing. i have come to realize that many kronies base their high opinion of her singing on their higher opinion of her ribbon.
she does have some ability, but her singing is not too memorable.

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>>53120738
so what does this have to do with singing? your monke brain has to be tickled for things to be legit?

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>>53109498
Based on the same criteria it would be Calli.

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>>53109498
1. Sora
2. AZKi
3. Aki
4. ?
5. ?
6. Suisei
7. ?
….

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>>53135340
Show me Kanata's best performance.

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>>53118694
Basically yeah, but less so "bad" and more "not particularly amazing"

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https://youtu.be/J9BwzIDeBto
Moona is amazing in english song, thats her specialty. Risu is all about raw talent + technique. Azki has unique crying voice no one in hololive can replicate. Irys is talent and hardwork. Sora is all about improvement and idol journey. Suisei is amazing and work hardest to for her music. Hololive is crazy gifted

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>>53129809
Choco, you have to see her karaoke. You wish your EN holomems had SOVL like hers.

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>>53109498
Gura, Mumei and IRyS can't sing any more. Their vocal cords got shredded due to illness and Cover overworking them because they don't care about their tallents' wellbeing. Also Calli can't sing so big KEK for you putting her on the list.

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>>53141045
I wonder what company’s fans are responsible for this bit of wishful thinking.

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>>53141045
i think there's still a chance for mumei. but IRyS is going to pay the price eventually with her long stream times

[Anonymous No.]

first two songs in >>53126346 are the only songs in this thread that pass the bare minimum of 'the singing is the part of the song i want to be listening to'.

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>>53141871
t. >>53126346

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>>53142238
nah, i think the fourth song is decent but I dont know why that guy posted the third song. the singer hits the notes in order but she just gets completely drowned by the music, she needed to fucking belt that chorus and she's whisper-talking it.

[Anonymous No.]

One of my favorite vsingers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9psuI76XEVY

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>>53141871
Wow, look at this his anon and his profound taste despite the fact that people here barely posted any songs.

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>>53143911
if you havent posted songs i will assume its because there are none worth posting

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>>53144567
I don't need to prove anything or seek validation.
Assuming you were the previous anon, I was just implying that you were acting like a pretentious faggot making a fool of himself.

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>>53109498
Gura is the only one with soul
The rest is Jpop garbage, and I like Jpop

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>>53137484
live or studio? To be clear I am a completely casual listener.

For a studio cover my favorite is probably her Uma to Shika cover. I really like how she changed the tone and pitch from the original to make it more distinct and unique than just a clone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGXZNHNhI0I

A live one is harder but it would probably be something from her most recent 3d concert since, in my opinion, her vocals are probably the most polished they have ever been during a concert, but I could be forgetting other performances and I am not going to spend an hour combing through karaoke and 3d live streams. Her unravel cover had the most "WOW" factor, but I personally don't like the actual song that much. I really liked her performance of Melt, but a lot of performances from that live was great visually, vocally, and a lot of the song choices fit what I like hearing from her for the most part. For hololive concerts it is a masterpiece imo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szUbg1Yar5c&t

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>>53109498
>>53109498
The only ones that matter are THE PRIDE and THE BRIDE (mine of course)

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>>53109498
As a regular of /vsinger/:

- Suisei can power sing, and is the most common name mentioned. Her weakness is really just one: lack of smooth transition between notes.
- Gura can sing softly with her vibrato and is suited to jazz / lounge music. Her weakness is the lack of consistency and practice. Baka Mitai and Lemon seem to be sung by 2 different people.
- Irys has perfect pitch control, but weak higher notes (not fixed in her studio covers).
- Azki has good techniques and a very soft voice, but is reluctant at holding notes (which is fixed in her studio covers, where she is great).
- Risu, when she drops the squeaky voice, is both talented and unpolished. Maybe not enough power or vibrato for some people, but still pleasant.
- Moona is also talented but more unpolished. Has a lot of errors in live singing, but does some variations not seen from others (e.g. Unravel).
- Sora is okay when she does opera or similar kinds of music, otherwise her high notes are just nasal.
- Watame, Towa, Mio, Ayame, Shion sound better in the studio than when they are live (Azki is also like this, to be fair). Pitch control during live singing is a common problem among them. I can pull out timestamps if you want but I don't want to be a jerk here if you enjoy their better songs. Among this pack I'd say Watame is the most well-practiced, but they can all shine with good studio covers.
- Rikka, Izuru, Astel are good if you watch the guys. Better than most of the girls, even.

I can't recommend that people listen to just hololive, as none of them compare to the best names of /vsinger/. Or viewed otherwise, for smaller vtubers, no one would care if you're not substantially better than the average holos.

Finally, I will note the fact that there are many hipsters who find it cool to dismiss Gura because she is popular. That is cringe. Gura's style of jazz and lounge music is her own niche, and her best songs (like Titanium) are not covered by other holos (or even most vsingers). Variety is always a plus.

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>>53146358
Rather than reluctant, it'd be more accurate to say that AZKi can't hold notes, because of the style in which she breathes when she sings - she has admitted as much in her own words in the past.

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>>53146358
>I can't recommend that people listen to just hololive, as none of them compare to the best names of /vsinger/.
I think Suisei is pretty up there with the /vsinger/ favorites. She has this stylishness and flair to her singing style that gives her an edge despite her unrefined fundamentals.
As for her smooth transitions, I think that's because she likes to sing in staccato (and is quite proficient in it). Her staccato heavy style does make her sound better in some songs but not in others.

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>>53109498
I like IRyS because she can adapt to different songs better.

[Anonymous No.]

The only holos I bother listening to for the song but because i'm a fan are rrat and irys. You need a significant amount of training and effort to be a decent singer. The dedicated indie vsingers do a better job.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53133249
Bonk for what?

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>>53137516
She is bad though.

[Anonymous No.]

As usual a lot of retarded LARPer either just clueless in general or LARPer from /vsinger/, The argument consist of voice/timbre which is fine as long as you don't corelate that with skill/technique, Sora is easily the best in technique to be able to sing clean and stable at very high key, Most of other even struggling to sing SSS original key that they sounded like they choked themselves which not that high if you compare them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53133249
What happened?

[Anonymous No.]

>>53148604
>Sora is easily the best in technique
You had my expectations up and then let me down.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53149077
Pretty much the only one that can pull something actually difficult not something like oh belting also very good control but the song is just some simple song with easy range lmao.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53145631
Is that 3DLIVE live live?

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>>53149473
There are already several posts in this thread talking about Sora's lack of technique and journey of growth to improve said technique. On the off-chance you're not trolling, can you provide an example of something "actually difficult" that she can do that isn't something AZKi or Watame could pull off?

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>>53149677
>They
Like I said bunch of clueless LARPer
>that she can do that isn't something AZKi or Watame could pull off?
Either you never listen to Sora or you're that retarded ? Both won't be able to sing something like Alien Alien, Solar System Disco, FIXER, Teo etc in original key and it applies not to just both of them you mentioned, It applies even to vsingers or regular singers, I bet you're just that clueless about music that you don't even know something actually difficult or not.

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>>53150251
Sorry, I should've known that replying was not the right move. Good luck in your English classes, lad.

[Anonymous No.]

Watame is a shit singer and I'm tired of pretending she isn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53150505
You don't have to pretend. Her biggest problem is pitch control, as has already been said.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53109498
Hoo boy this is gonna get dirty quick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53148366
>>53148703
she decided to do the usualy 7+ hour stream when she only had time for a couple hours, due to a recording session that was already set.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53149602
It's not.

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>>53146358
i don't see mumei in that list. you cannot deny the potential in that birb, granted it's still potential.

[Anonymous No.]

I think Sora is an amazing singer but she's not perfect. She's not the most consistent vsinger. There are times when she can sing just fine and times when she sings like an angel. Sora at her peak form is unrivaled. When all stars align, I truly think she can sing most beautifully of any vsingers. Someone pointed out her high notes is a bit nasally and I have to agree but singing at high notes is a difficult feat. I don't think anyone in hololive can pull it off as well as Sora.

AZKi is more consistent than Sora but her singing is a little breathy. Aki can sometimes sing like an opera singer. I find Suisei a bit nasally but I can't deny that she's a charismatic singer. That's it. I can't speak about other vsingers that I don't listen to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53150490
>I can't refute so i try to deflect
Next time don't think everyone is as clueless as you that you can just bullshit about something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53112035
Whats the matter Ken? Your precious Japanese onna got mogged by "inferior SEA"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>53111625
Difficulty =/= quality

[Anonymous No.]

>>53129809
Ollie probably

[Anonymous No.]

>>53151118
i agree, the difficulty of a song isn't an indication of quality, nor is it good evidence of risu's ability. it shouldn't be discounted that she can sing well, but i also don't find it memorable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53150980
>consistent
I heard this word often gets thrown around without context, If you're pulling something difficult it's easier to make mistake and harder to keep everything perfect everytime or you count when stumbling on the lyrics due to forgot about it or it's a new song you just learn as not consistent ? and "nasally" a nasal sound won't sound sharply resonate

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>>53120589
I kekd.
As a Kronie of sorts.

So then, which 10 do I call to assemble an album? I'd have:

Risu, Towa, Calli, Suisei, Azki, Sora, Irys, Polka, Marine, Chloe.

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>>53149677
Actual singing says a thousand words.
Sora https://youtu.be/Qfmxz7i_2Z4?t=5102
Irys https://youtu.be/ksUKrIahznk?t=1788
A vsinger https://youtu.be/afZsmP_-6eU?t=3242

[Anonymous No.]

You know one thing that always gets me that even though the two most prolific utaites amongst Hololive that are highly regarded for their work during NND days, only one seems to get mentioned regularly.
Ctrl+F AZKi and 30 results
Ctrl+F Mel and 3 results and none are actually her but word fragments so actually 0
Did Mel just not maintain her status as a good singer these last few years and was surpassed by many of her kouhai?

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>>53151039
If you are actually a fan of Sora, I will say that you could hold yourself to a higher standard rather than calling someone retarded for trying to engage in conversation. For all I know, you could be correct. My opinion isn't more holy than yours, but you're doing a piss-poor job of trying to change anybody's mind. For what it's worth, >>53149077 is not my post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53109498
shit list OP

[Anonymous No.]

>>53151492
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pR0x-a6iyvs
I guess a better description is she sounds like a squeaky toy. To be honest, I don't like it when she's pushing high notes at parts where she doesn't need to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53125287
Predictable. Can we get back to the topic? Or more preferably go throat a shotgun and pull a trigger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53119231
Deck the hall, what a beautiful world, radioactive, villain, once upon december and the most iconic englishman in newyork

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG1HQ9-QlPI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLvEiuz3-Sk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2rRVw7hWFU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KDbQ35LBQI
Kanata is simply fucking underrated
I guess the more she's away the more it's expected. Come back king.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53151737
Mel is not actually a good singer and just has a cute voice that's not completely out of tune when singing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53109498
Kobo should be there, she can control her pitch better than most of them. Sure Risu has more range, but her voice sometimes can be all over the place, while Kobo always has a stable voice.
Kobo maybe is the best singer in ID, knowing Risu has unstable voice and Moona is just a passionate singer who works harder but has less talent than most Holo singers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53151795
Soratomos are no different from Hoshiyomis. Both think their oshi is number 1 while ridiculing vsingers that they themselves don't listen to. Why can't they just accept the fact that AZKi mogs both Sora and Suisei?

[Anonymous No.]

>>53135632
At least he said how she seduced them into defending everything she does

[Anonymous No.]

>>53152552
i find kobo to be quite interesting vocally, but I also don't find myself wanting to listen to her. doesn't quite hit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53151609
Appreciate the links. To my ears, Hanatan is a level above them both. Strong and resonant, with pleasant vibrato. It's a little unfair to Sora here actually because there's less echo in her stream and the audio setup seems lower quality here. Still, there's nothing out of the ordinary she's doing here that shows her off as being "easily the best in technique".

[Anonymous No.]

>>53151609
Yes and your post says that those aren't different except some of singer preference or style like singing some part more breathy or adding some vibrato, You could also post those song I mentioned and it will says a lot when you won't be able to find someone to compare to because they simply not skilled enough to sing it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53138533
ok im sold for this moona, did she do that live on stream or record it for gura to use ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>53152552
You could just remove Marine for Kobo you know. No need to argue if Risu belongs or not.

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>>53146358
Nah Sui surpassed Azki a long time ago. Azki sings like moaning sometimes. Shark is weak at high note and lack power. Moona tries too hard to mimic famous singers
I also watch leona utano mashiro maisaki

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>>53150505
Still a better rapper than Mori

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>>53151829
she holding the dictionary cuz she left me speechless (i've no words)

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>>53152775
> those aren't different
> except
Except skill.

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>>53152384
How does one not be a good singer and also simultaneously release multiple CDs and work towards a Sololive? She's obviously not on AZKi or Suisei's level but she must do well enough to garner that much interest and have such an extended collaboration network as she has for the past decade.

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>>53152973
Anyone can record a bunch of songs even if they're not good.
Koyori is also working towards a sololive and she is definitely not good.

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>>53151795
I'm not here to shill, I just pointed out facts that those people are LARPer their point of argument are just about someone timbre and style and have no clue about difficulties, That's like saying Fur Elise is harder than any Chopin's pieces

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>>53152328
She has skill, but her accent isn't the most pleasant to listen to

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>>53109498
Not enough Okayu in this thread. Great accent and skill. 2021 fat cat is her peak. Her voice is popular with Spanish AI fags as well

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>>53152947
>Skill
Lol, Can't you not embarrass yourself any further ? Then show me they able to sing on the same key as Sora, They can't, That's why they will lower the key to make it easier.

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>>53153389
Sorry, whores don’t count.

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>>53109498
>Suisei is pretty clearly regarded as being the best
No, the best is twapi.

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Towa
Azki
Suisei
Watame
Risu
Kobo
Moona
Kanata
Sora
Irys
>>53152908
It's funny because Mori mogged her in both versions of their rap duet, and matched her in singing too but Mori often levels up beyond her usual when paired with top tier singers like in Beat Eater, Luvarotorry, and whenever she's with Irys. Unlike Gura who jobs against Matsuri, Kiara, and Shion.

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fucking twappers got here. i'm out

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>>53153392
You're the only one screaming, and you aren't convincing anyone. Hopefully not all Sora fans are like you.

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>>53152627
Pot calling the kettle black.

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>>53153113
My issue with your argument is that your basis is founded on songs being difficult. On one hand, yes, some songs are too difficult to perform for certain singers. But after removing the artificial barrier of singing to the original key by allowing key shifts, (full range is more important in my criteria than absolute pitch) I don't think there are any songs that Sora exclusively is able to sing that others would not. Why does being able to sing the same key matter for skill? Does that mean Ryugasaki Rene mogs Sora 100-0?
Music is a performance art; at a certain point emotional expression becomes entwined with skill.
I'm willing to accept your case if you have a live example of one of these Sora performances that will make me change my mind

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>>53152908
That's not a high bar.

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>>53153760
It’s a joke although I do find Pioneers are stuckup pricks as well. Horny too.

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>>53153866
we aren't

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>>53152627
Based.

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>>53153785
You are arguing seriously with a hyperventilating kid who thinks any difference in the singing showed is just "style".

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>>53119763
This kek

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>>53153480
>Mori often levels up beyond her usual when paired with top tier singers like in Beat Eater, Luvarotorry, and whenever she's with Irys.
Lmao. There's something called voice mixing, you see.
And Mori's Luvarotorry was just terrible.
Why do people who like Mori always give shit takes?

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>>53151118
finally. Being able to sing incredibly high notes or weird tempo songs is not an indicator for a good singer. That's like saying all male singers are trash because they can't hit high note like female singers do or pop singers are trash because they can't rap like a rapper or can't hold long note like an opera singer. Everyone has songs they are comfortable with and songs they are not, that does not take away their skill as a singer

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>>53109498
AZKi no contest

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>>53150962
Mumei has the potential to be a godly singer because she has a beautiful voice and she has a large range, but what bothers me too much is that she lacks the confidence and control to go beyond her limiters, just look at her karaokes when she stops mid-songs just because 'she can't find the right key'.
I think she just needs more opportunities to show off her skills like she did in the connect the world concert.

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>>53146358
This is probably the most objective take here. Just curious, what do you think about Okayu's singing voice?

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>>53154334
It's a copypasta

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>>53153607
we are

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>>53153935
I'm aware at this point, but at least it's helping separate the dude from the actual Soratomos

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>>53154047
She's done her Beat Eater tone and belting in tons of live singing, her and Irys is mostly live as well.

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>>53153060
>Koyori is also working towards a sololive
Wait, are you for real? That sounds ridiculous.

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>>53152973
AZKi can't even turn a profit doing solo lives and I don't think her CDs sell particularly stellar either so your point is pretty invalid.

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>>53154304
everytime I look at Mumei and her potential I just get reminded of how most top singers in Holo dedicated almost a decade or more of their lives singing and honing their skill. Mooms has a long road before her if she wants to be serious about her singing path

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singer comparisons threads are right under numberfags and gura no stream shitposter ones

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>>53152860
>Azki sings like moaning sometimes.
so it's fine when Marine does it

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>>53155104
>t. seething pioneer

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I don't care about whatever you fags are talking about I just came here to shill this girl I think she sings a good Snake Eater take a listen and tell me to fuck off afterwards
https://www.youtube.com/live/Crov8P4Y6Bo?feature=share&t=4407

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>>53155463
wrong thread, go back.
>>>/vt/vsinger

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>>53155104
I think they're okay since you actually get some discussion out of it despite the topic being a subjective matter.

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>>53152627
Hoshiyomis don't call Suisei the best, you fell for shitposters. Even she said that there are better singers out there.

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Gura is the greatest vtuber singer of all time, that is all.

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>>53154694
She always talks about how much she wants to do a sololive.

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>>53155606
thanks for showing me the way anon

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>>53109498
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wztmSx2_T6w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o20gwmNgKvg

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>>53126800
>>53127392
>hasn't even come out
>"lul flop!"
Retard

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>>53129809
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7Ql4D1UnQ

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>>53156016
This stinky orca is underrated.

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>>53156152
Several songs have come out already.

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>>53109498
You forgot kobo >>53109498

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>>53156225
I was referring to the concert

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>>53156260
I'm curious to see how well Kobo does in that ID concert. That will be her first true showcase of her singing potential

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>>53154597
We can’t say that. Actual Soratomos can be schizos sometimes. Look at Moro’s twitter.

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>>53109498
Without a strong comparison benchmark you can just end up going in circles with singer discussion. The easy way to determine the best hololive singers is to simply put them side by side with other singers and check which Hololive singers can stand alongside them. Here are some relatively popular (not necessarily the best) singers. I think there's only a small handful of Holos who would belong on the same stage as some of these girls.

https://youtu.be/AcOhHbutU5o
https://youtu.be/5z39--ZYaes
https://youtu.be/jwWHlqku9oA
https://youtu.be/4eTbqidnfdU
https://youtu.be/fqE19qwpEjM
https://youtu.be/a1OniqmMLKA?t=5236
https://youtu.be/R6UXzumuvrQ
https://files.catbox.moe/uljd8g.webm

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>>53156312
The project is about the songs, not the concert.

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>>53152328
Why did Deco name kanata's song Leech?

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>>53129628
Only got one (you) though

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>>53129809
>>53139852
>SOVL

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>>53157166
Noel karaoke feels like a bit, like she's singing badly on purpose.

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>no more bumps
This thread is currently at page 9. If you want to continue this discussion after the thread is pruned, anons are welcome to do so in
the /vsinger/ thread >>53111726 We have ongoing generals for more power level discussions always active in >>/vsinger/

I honestly think suisei sora azki watame towa aqua and ayame mogs hachi pretty hard in all departments. Namirin and gura too but they're EN. My favorites are Moona id and Towa jp

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>>53153785
>Why does being able to sing the same key matter for skill?
When the key is difficult of course it matters for skill how is this even a question ? Unless you're a male singer i can excuse you for not being able to sing in soprano keys same with female singer not able to sing in bass key.
>Music is a performance art
yes
>at a certain point emotional expression becomes entwined with skill.
Yes and no, You don't talk about musicality before skill.
There is criteria of what is considered difficult to make it simple it's along with how high, how low and how fast, If you change they key because it has very high/low melody that you can't properly sing then you make it easier and it doesn't make it more skilled, You may like it more but it's objectively easier thus requires less skill.
And i already give list of Sora's performance you just need to google it, If you think able to sing clean and stable in very high key song like Alien Alien is not impressive technically speaking then you simply don't know what you're talking about, You have no idea how hard to hold and control your breath to sing in such key

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>>53157544
Nobody cares about your shit thread

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People who think Risu is the best at singing are morons

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>>53149602
It’s hard to tell. I know for sure the encore live right after was live since she reacted to her song not going live correctly. My best guess is that the first part was live up until the discussion part, then when she transitioned into telecaster b-boy with the “ま” it wasn’t live, then during the anime mv preview it went back to live for her 2 originals. We have no way of knowing for sure but that’s my best guess from how the transitions happened.

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>>53157775
Maybe fix your ears and your head before posting.

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>>53157920
Post what you think is her best song

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>>53123124
I absolutely despise the heavily tuned standard for singing in this community. sure it makes decent singers hit pitch but it NERFS great singers.

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>>53157955
1 sec gotta get the link

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>>53154076
That's why you go by the opposite, Female in nature are high while Male are low but the ideal is to measure in both edge, Their performance on both low-end and high-end, If a male tenor can go very high and then other tenor singer can't go that high but he can go very low that other tenor singer can't then you could say they are as skilled

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>>53156949
I assume she named it herself as a way to reclaim the word or show she isn’t shamed by it. The lyrics also directly relate to the song title

https://www.lyrical-nonsense.com/global/lyrics/amane-kanata/hiru/english/

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>>53153192
Understandable desu. I didn’t like it that much at first but anyone can see she’s a great singer even if they don’t like the accent