/log/ Lore General

[Anonymous No.]

Do you love vtubers? Have you been looking for a general where you can sperg out about science or sociology? Share or write some lore? Build worlds? Homebrew an RPG or discuss a Vtuber's campaign? All in the context of the Vtubing hobby?
Welcome to the right spot. This is the thread to do all these things and more. Feel free to browse settings, lore entries, and discuss any of your work here.

Date with Mori Edition

Previous: >>53868285

>Where do I start?
1. Skim the setting introductions
2. Be inspired
3. Create something

If nothing struck a chord with you, you can always put together your own vtubing-related setting. Others might even join you in fleshing it out if they enjoy it!

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Reply to OP so your work is added to the archive or the lore catch-up.
Remember to use rentry.ORG as any other rentry sites are seen as spam.

TAG LIST:
[IT'S NEVER HAPPENING]

SETTINGS:

Cyber Vitubia 40,000:
>Archive: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ukyK3_sidebA_kLuH8i1I6TuVyFkWeJSYvyhqT6FMRU
>Intro Doc: https://rentry.org/cvt40k-start-how
>Map: https://files.catbox.moe/7y8nn7.png

Battle For Aurorai:
>Download: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ieZmSPEqYbGY6xvyQRzwTDihj9ouCE3Z/view?usp=drivesdk
>FE Schematics: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QO6FX0jzb12VneywMF83UMmuX01Yj3tMUzixs2VRtx0/edit?usp=drivesdk
>Map: https://files.catbox.moe/i7kmbj.png

Vitubia:
>Archive: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HM_UK-qNKXQgFH-ixcWsCC3oAgBnFrxCKRPXdKiPMwQ
>Intro Docs: https://rentry.org/vtwbg-intro, https://rentry.org/ziuog
>Map: https://vtwbg.github.io/

Era After:
>Archive: https://rentry.org/EraAfterIndex
>Intro Doc: https://rentry.org/78s3q
>Map: https://files.catbox.moe/at0is0.png

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Recent thread catch-up, in case you missed them!
BFA Schematics: >>53805850
Conclusion to the /vnug/ tale of (You) in space: >>53744140
Quest brainstorming: >>53788804
/vnug/ submarine settlements of Armilla: >>53839843
New divegrass players proposals: >>53266748
An incredibly based take: >>53891455

[Anonymous No.]

>TAG LIST:
>[IT'S NEVER HAPPENING]
How come?

[Anonymous No.]

>>53910653
No idea but I refuse to make it true.

t. BFA dev

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>>53910653
Because everyone already forgot that that was ever in the plan it seems. No real talk about making any sort of tags was had and not even the settings in the OP are tagged with anything, much less the works within those settings.
And either way, that is nothing more than free space at the end of the day, feel free to put any shitpost in it when you bake.

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>>53910653
>>53911373
Well, I think the idea there is to slap together something like the /wg/ system. Maybe someone can look into that, atm I'm a bit busy with completing my thesis to take on a technical project like that.

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Bump before I shut down.

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>>53911373
>Because everyone already forgot that that was ever in the plan it seems.
Why do you think that?

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>>53912691
You'd know if you read the sentence after it.

[Anonymous No.]

You guys and the lore thread should fuse.

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>>53912919
Fuck, I meant the kayfabe thread.

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>>53912840
That just means nobody talked about it, not that they forgot

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>>53912991
Yes, and what is usually one of the main reasons something isn't talked about, anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>53913166
Usually? Non-interest

[Anonymous No.]

>>53913720
And forgetfulness

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>>53912919
>>53912966
We really shouldn't.

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>>53913828
Why not? Kayfabe and lore are pretty close topics.

[Anonymous No.]

Well, if the issue is just coming up with a quick list of tags, that isn't so difficult.
[Low Fantasy]
[High Fantasy]
[Contemporary]
[Sci Fi]
[Retro Futuristic]
[Medieval]
[Antiquity]
[Autism]
[Conlang]
[Religion]
As a starting point? What else?

[Anonymous No.]

KOKONE HAS FUCKING BIG BOOBIES AND I LOVE TO STARE AT THEM

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>>53913990
>[Autism]
Unneeded. This one is just implied

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>>53913923
Kayfabe and lore are similar topics but this thread doesn't do the lore that kayfabe is interested in.
log posts fan lore and for most of it and vtwbg's stay on the board that lore has only been tangentially related to vt or actual chuuba lore. I doubt that adding log into kayfabe would help anyone, its more likely to cause less posting in kayfabe and for it to be seen as false advertising

[Anonymous No.]

I love my cute and dorky bro Skye!

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>>53914526
I know this ritual post.
You lost, little skye-poster?

[Anonymous No.]

>>53914759
No, why?

[Anonymous No.]

Following a chat on /kayfabe/, I'm now wondering if there's a way to advertise our umbrella has extended to include basically any multimedia anon project, including what /fuggg/ and /vtgdg/ were doing.

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>>53915058
just an interesting move to ritual post on another general
now tell me where the fuck Riifu is

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>>53916111
I just decided to ritualpost here for the time being, you could use the free posts anyway.
She is doing good, starting her own corpo. If you want her alts though, you will have to add a please.

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>>53914462
>but this thread doesn't do the lore that kayfabe is interested in.
They should do that then considering this thread is called lore general.

[Anonymous No.]

What's a fun lore fact about your oshi?

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>>53918161
She's a menhera.

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>>53918288

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>>53918320
Yes, I do. It's to keep you guessing.

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>>53917636
Yeah, vtwbg didn't really have this issue since worldbuilding implies fan creation but there's been lots of anons who came to /log/ expecting discussion about chuuba lore and getting fed up when they didn't see that.

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>>53918498
What does a discussion about chuuba lore look like?

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>>53918161
She's 8 billion years old and actually has an IQ of 999 but fails tests on purpose

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>>53918726
Usually talking about things from their "canon" lore videos, if they have them, or debut videos where they talk about "what" they are.
As an example, shondo has some interesting lore about her character being a "shadow" creature and the reasons behind her form and why she always has ribbons around her neck, wrists, and ankles.
Strict /kayfabe/ talk would be discussing these things, the narrative she used, and where it could go in the future.
Whereas /vtwbg/ or /log/ might be more talk about fan-based creations or speculations like what kind of SCP she might be, or what a nation of people that worshipped shadows might be like.

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>>53919043
Did she end up appearing in another video after that first one from her debut? That was some good shit, I liked the art style.

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>>53919132
Not yet but she's busy recording some lines so we may get another lore video with her, possibly connected to that teaser Zentreya made in her outfit 2.0 lore video.

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>>53919746
So throwable...
Oh, did the glowing cube get any powers besides powering her microwave and making her eyes glow?

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>>53919839
Yeah. It gives her +1IQ

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>>53919958
Wait, does that mean her actual IQ is 998, or it hits 1000 when she enables the cube.

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>>53920196
Her IQ hits 1000 when she activates the cube, may not seem like much since hers is already so high but it would make a difference for normal people

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>>53920613
Understood, I'm gonna try to steal Henya's cube to become a genius.

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[Anonymous No.]

Wait, what's a shadow creature?

[Anonymous No.]

>>53923353
tower...

[Anonymous No.]

Alright fellas I've got an idea for that /wg/ writing thingey.
Luna blackmails Mori into breastfeeding her by threatening to expose her connection to a shotacon trafficking ring
when does the contest end? I'm feeling motivated

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>>53930714
>>53889937

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>>53923353
twap...

[Anonymous No.]

>>53923353
Tonka....

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>>53918161
Calli killed a beast and became her cape on her default.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53930714
Starting on the 25th and lasts a month, iirc.

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>>53937488
This is also why she doesn't have cape merch, that would be way too much hunting.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyway, to clear things up:

I made Calli a Cavalier long before that stupid horse shit blew up. The Pale Rider was my reference here.

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>>53930714
Somehow, Luna blackmailing someone makes a lot of sense to me. Like a baby hand in a steel gauntlet.

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>>53940330
Might as well lean into it I guess, a meme is a meme.

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>>53923353
tortellini...

[Anonymous No.]

Viewers don't give a rats ass about how your Vtuber came to be or the overarching world/galaxy building you put into creating a story.

Most Vtubers just drop the Vtubing act and be either (Horny), (Pandering), (Schizo), or (IRL). None of which would work well into creating a Vtuber character whose existance isn't just playing games and making lewd jokes time and time again just for $.

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>>53941216
If it helps, she has her unique branching path sorta different to that of a regular Cavalier. Instead of getting Templar that gains Light magic, she gains Dark Templar (name suggestions open) that gains Dark magic.

Gameplay-wise, she hits hard, but is sorta vulnerable phys-wise.

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>>53942711
Maybe Hell Knight? Fits, and also it's a Doom reference since she played that (Mori play the DLC onegai).

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>>53942564
You're not wrong, but it does let them add a lot of flavour to some of their content. I think that's something Sana did really amazingly, the astrology streams were both very thematic and fun.

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>>53942938
Black Knight and Death Knight are good choices being who she is but both are already taken officially...

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>>53945813
Does that mean other holos have those classes in BFA?

[Anonymous No.]

>>53945966
No, they are official FE characters.

Black Knight in games where Ike is in
Death Knight in games where Byleth is in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53946219
Wait, he's perfect. A fucking Knightbeat

[Anonymous No.]

Gonna be honest, if the legal version blows up for porn artists to draw, I'd be expecting Gura getting abducted and used by the Ch8 boss and his lackeys.

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>>53946336
Stone? Who's that

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>>53942564
Wrong, it adds engagement to a lot of viewers.
Most don't drop it but keeping up kayfabe is more difficult than creating some lore for yourself.

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>>53946537
It didn't work for Zylphe what makes you think it would work for everyone else?

Again all it dabbles to pandering to perverts, making sex jokes, degenerative content and all in all breaking the Vtuber character is what makes the most money. Not those playing a character.

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>>53946706
I don't know who that is, but having some lore is quite common, so just having it (or any other quality, really) does not lead to guaranteed success.

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>>53946706
t. Zylphe seething about his unsuccess

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>>53946442
That's Chapter 8 boss. Where we meet Gura for the first time in the game.

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>>53948488
Yeah, but why is he prone to loli kidnapping kek.

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>>53946280
I always joked about how Calli is essentially a waifu version of Death Knight so....

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>>53948532
Kidnapping is a common trope in FE porn lol. And combine that with loli...

[Anonymous No.]

Live.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53950357
Again!

[Anonymous No.]

>>53948536
k-kakkoi

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>>53951284
that's a cool design, I wonder if Mori will take over the role of death-sensei at some point and get a new model.

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>>53948589
I guess I should do some FE porn reps, my knowledge is lacking.

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>>53952420
Fun fact, that's precisely the lore of the New Underworld Order concert. In the leadup to that concert her description on Youtube, Twitter and other platforms got changed from "Grim Reaper's First Apprentice/Reaper on hiatus" to "Death/The Grim Reaper". She later confirmed Death-sensei retired and she got a promotion.
That hasn't been clarified, but I like to think the Jigoku6 outfit is her new Grim Reaper regalia because it has a big ass magic crown.

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>>53952585
>She later confirmed Death-sensei retired and she got a promotion.
When did she say that?

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>>53952667
I believe it was in a superchat reading where someone asked about the changed descriptions... Ah, I guess I'm archive diving. Must have been about a year ago?

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>>53952714
This thread could try and archive lore relevant statements, that would help.

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>>53952763
Oh, something like that was thrown around, but it didn't seem to gain traction. Maybe we try it again?

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>>53952428
QRD, they really like drawing Lyn and Igrene abducted and later raped.

Other expectations may probably include Sora being manhandled by Vermel (my Zephiel/Rudolf equivalent), any of the boys held captive by the female Anakondia bosses, Towa/Kanata/Choco defeated by the Ch11 boss and his lackeys.

Reply with what you think what kinda porn would come outta my project.

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>>53953960
In any given project which includes her, Marine always gets the most porn, so that's my pick. Probably having an orgy with half her army.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53953659
If somebody is willing to maintain a rentry or something like that I would post anything I find.

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>>53954091
She'd have her Houshou Pirates, so same as regular porn lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>53954164
Sure, let's bring this back then.

[Anonymous No.]

STATE OF VTUBING ANCHOR
Anchor post for any notable vtubing events. Please reply here to add an event to the thread's State of Vtubing. Please describe the event with a short name, a description, and optionally a source, tags of the generals it is relevant to, and/or a post number.
- - -
E.g.:
>EN3 Announcement
>At long last, the third generation of HoloEN vtubers has been announced. /hlgg/ breathes a sigh of relief.
>https://twitter.com/hololive_official/status/1326355021093498880?lang=en
>/hlgg/
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Current absolute state of vtubing: https://rentry.org/state-of-vt

[Anonymous No.]

Pull!

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>>53954778
>>53954714

I recommend a different format, sorting each character into categories like Holo, Niji, Vshojo, indie etc and giving them their own timeline makes the most sense to me.

Also it probably shouldn't include non-lore events like mouses subathon.

[Anonymous No.]

I think Aki's lore is being wasted because fan artists only draw her in the blandest of lingerie clothing. She's a dimension traveling alien from a technologically advanced civilization for goddamn's sake. There's so much potential to her lore but neither Aki nor her fans are interested in expanding it further

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>>53955411
What is a lore event? I feel like the subathon dealt with Mousey's lore a fair bit, with all the new costumes that each have a backstory and the Bubi appearances.
Could sort the events differently. Just splitting it with the corp thing seems a bit arbitrary since I feel logically you'd want categories for Phase, kawaii etc and that gets unwieldy. A tag system seems a bit easier to search and work with. Do you mean giving every chuuba their own timeline?

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>>53955469
Aki chose this path when she made belly dancing her path. And it was a great thing.
More sci-fi art would be great though, yeah. Mecha musume Aki doko.

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>>53955580
If lore appeared in the subathon or any stream in general then yeah it should be added.
Her getting a new form isn't necessarily a lore event because it's already sufficiently explained in an older lore video and I think she didn't have any new lore for those subathon models.
https://youtu.be/2qH2GyDzx3s?t=981

I think splitting it up into corpos makes sense because they are usually shared verses and people will be less interested in the lore of chuubas or corpos they don't follow.

>Do you mean giving every chuuba their own timeline?
Yeah.

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>>53955828
What about events that involve multiple corpos? Like the Niji-Kiara collabs.

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>>53956019
collabs are not necessarily lore events, if something is actually spoken that might be lore related then adding it to the appropriate character makes sense to me.

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>>53956822
I feel like "Kiara and Pomu are close friends" is a lore point that applies equally to both of them.

[Anonymous No.]

I guess it might be useful to define what "lore" is.
lore: a particular body of knowledge or tradition
For me, that includes all past information about a character, including tidbits revealed on stream in off-hand comments or through other interactions. Like, a chuuba's favorite spaghetti sauce would be part of their lore.

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>>53957007
Unless it's explicitly mentioned as part of the story it's not canon imo.
The only canon where I see one could make that argument is in Ironmouse's lore video since Mori, Nina etc showed up in it, therefore they are part of the Vshojo mythos.

[Anonymous No.]

We could make a religion out of this.

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>>53958369
That seems a bit restrictive. If we take like, minecraft streams. Chuubas often come up with storylines and relationships that kind of work their way into their "history" in a big way without being really a part of any official explicit story. For example, Shiraken is a pretty important part of Suisei's and the others' thing, but until recently it wasn't really acknowledged in any real way. Similar thing with the Project Winter streams where Suisei got her iconic gold axe that I would consider to be part of her lore even though it isn't explicitly mentioned in anything official. The nature of the streaming medium means that there can be a lot of information that comes together organically or is ad-libbed.

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>>53958721
I guess we could add tags for official lore and unofficial lore.

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>>53958863
Oh, good idea! Yeah, that would make it clear what is "official lore videos" or other materials like that and stuff that came together more on-the-spot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53959178
I guess that could also stir some debate as we determine what is official canon and what not

[Anonymous No.]

>>53960575
Ah, how nostalgic. At least it would be about someone else's canon this time, should be less personal.

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>>53960690
What are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>53960821
In the far past of /vt/ the unified /vtwbg/ canon was created.
This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
t. Douglas Adams (RIP)

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>>53955411
I think that'd incite tribalism which this thread ill need at all.

>>53955469
How can I translate what little lore there is into my game?

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>>53961477
Does Aki get to do anything nifty with her portals? I think they'd translate into making her a magic user at least.

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>>53961477
Why would that incite tribalism?

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>>53961531
I think the portals is more of an advanced technology thing rather than magic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53961531
She's a light magic user. Thinking of having her personal skill be that she traverses terrain easily (but not normally impossible terrain)

>>53961550
You know how it is with the console war bs...

[Anonymous No.]

>>53961915
Yeah, I am assuming that alien technology doesn't really slide easily into a Fire Emblem-esque medieval fantasy setting though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53961971
Why would there be tribalism over accurately sorting chuubas into their respective verses?

[Anonymous No.]

>>53962112
Perhaps I spent too much time fighting in the catalog...

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>>53962505
The 'log shell-shocked syndrome... I got that too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53962007
That's why I had to bench Rikka, Roboco and Iofi. Astel and now Aki, I can somehow medievalize them...

Maybe I can make it so Aki's type of elves are looked at as the pinnacle of innovation in Aurorai?

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>>53962579
Nowadays, if I feel that a thread is gonna devolve into hatred and shitflinging, I just hide them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53962580
Oh, I didn't even know Rikka had a sci-fi backstory... The innovator elves of Diurnuit sounds fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53960690
Sexy irys legs...

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>>53964267
Rikka is a bot. Literally. Technically an android, but still, a bot. That runs on 2gb ram lol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53967959
>runs on 2gb ram
linux users be like

[Anonymous No.]

>>53962007

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>>53968369
How would you do it then, anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>53968279
Implying Rikka was made with Linux? Lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>53968369
>>53969080
Recently, with Houses, we got fucking nukes. Complete with the missile housing and everything even. I did say that in Aurorai, Aki's kinda elf is the one responsible for most elf tech and Diarnuit tech in general, along with dwarves and goblins.

[Anonymous No.]

Dont let this thread die

[Anonymous No.]

>>53972183
Anon there are literally only 12 posters

[Anonymous No.]

>>53972406
The OP needs revision maybe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53972790
>And he's bitching about OP again
clockwork

[Anonymous No.]

>>53972822
What? It's the first time I brought this up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53972822
Not even a fucking minute passed before that post anon, what type of schizoism is this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>53972868
the type where I have this thread open for any potential bumps I need to do, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53969410
would be kinda based

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>>53909807
This thread is still missing friends threads link, and you should list some (female) chuubas who play TTRPG in the op, preferably the ones with most viewers
I guess since the secret is out you now know why

[Anonymous No.]

>>53973828
I've done some market research and there's this diceQueen Di lady which seems to actually stream about D&D semi regularly (also HEMA which is kinda cool). If people know of any other ones, that'd be welcome as well.

[Anonymous No.]

Not a regular occurrence, but Zen is playing some DND with too many players, might be fun: https://www.twitch.tv/zentreya
[\spoiler]the one during mousey's subathon was really good, but it was with different players and system.

[Anonymous No.]

Ah, I fucked up a spoiler phoneposting, shameful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53962007
In less than a week the game with Dubstep mole people armed with ICBMs and Golems that are basically giant robots turns 4 years old.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53977571
>Zen is playing some DND with too many players
Ah...I hope that goes well but I'm not optimistic with their text to speech voice keeping the flow of things.
Also will next thread be full vtrpg conversion because based if so. Should probably figure out what the OP will be then

[Anonymous No.]

>>53978698
They don't make the fire emblems like they used to.

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>>53978749
ttrpg are already on-topic as per OP, I don't think we need to change things much. Maybe make the subject "/log/ - Lore, TTRPG and fangames Global General" so it's more obvious?

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>>53982041
Wait a second, that's not lore!

I wish Council would continue their lore and give some explanation what's going on after Sana left

[Anonymous No.]

>>53982506
I think you can draw a bit of lore from Bae's EP, but yeah Council has been a bit light on that stuff. I think in lore Sana "went somewhere else" but is still doing her job as uh, Space.

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>>53982845
I always assumed Sana just went into Deep Space. Tangentially related but I was thinking about Astrogirl's MV and I had a thought: Was Kronii the one who initially rounded up the Council for her higher ups? Correct me if I'm wrong but she helped pull Bae out of whatever Chaos she was in (creating Leap Day in the process) and went with Bae to find Sana.

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>>53983480
>Correct me if I'm wrong but she helped pull Bae out of whatever Chaos she was in
That sounds interesting, do you remember where that comes from? I watched a lot of Kronii, but not religiously. That would make sense though, Bae is the leader, but Kronii is the representative for Order in the group, with the warden thing and the implacability of the march of time.

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[Anonymous No.]

How many vtubers do you know with inverted alt personas?

[Anonymous No.]

Any lore wizards in here know if Gura is meant to be the last remaining Atlantean? From lore it seems so, but it’s never been explicitly stated unless I’ve missed something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53988567
This is often a point of confusion, because Gura mentioned in an interview with Ame that Atlantis doesn't exist anymore, but she never implied that all other Atlanteans were dead afaik. They are supposedly just hanging out somewhere on Earth or in the oceans. She wondered at some point if they missed her "back home", implying that there are other atlanteans to come home to (though the atlanteans aren't in atlantis since it's now a ruin?)
Relevant clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-nYDXNafUU&t=6292s
disclaimer: maybe she did say at some point that she was the last atlantean and I just don't remember kek.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53990310
Atlantis is very clearly itself ruined and has been so for thousands of years, though Gura is also 9000+. So I suppose it’s a question of whether Gura was just hanging around the ruins of her home until she got bored, and there are hundreds of other shark people who also descended from the same Atlantean lineage out there who weren’t in Atlantis; or she was there for so long because her people were also gone and she didn’t know where to go and/or was afraid of the surface.

Though since the idea of “Myth” as a whole refers to singular mythical creatures who are special BECAUSE of their scarcity, I think it wouldn’t be out of the question to assume that Gura is the ONLY Atlantean left, and that Ina is the ONLY priestess of the Ancient Ones, and that Kiara is the ONLY Phoenix (either remaining or there was only ever one), and that Mori, while being one of many reapers in training, is the ONLY one currently active.

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>>53991630
Well, iirc kiara's mom has been stated to be the same species as Kiara, so following that train of thought maybe they're like the only "families" of the species? That would explain both the scarcity and Gura's "come home to" comment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>53983798
IIRC Bae talked about it very early on as part of why she chose Leap Day as her birthday and the short of it was whatever Kronii did to get Bae in our world also created Leap Day.

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>>53990310
For a while now that "Atlantis doesn't exist anymore" is not because the place got wiped out but because it just went to shit and Gura's family moved out. It became the California of the Atlantic; It's the thing everyone outside the place knows of but everyone inside trash talks to oblivion.

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>>53992898
Now that would make sense
>>53993745
I mean… that also makes sense, but it’s also a lot less fun…

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>>53993215
Ohh that's why, interesting. Did any of the other councils mention Kronii's involvement in their appearance? I should re-watch their debut videos, it's been so long I don't remember much of them.

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>>53978751
And then in Engage, the DLC allowed your people and (You) to be magic-powered artillery.

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>>53983480
I just assumed Sana couldn't keep up being human-size, hence the back pain. That's why she took of her Limiter.

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>>53988448
Lets see: Gawr, Kurokami, Yoruno.
Cant remember anybody else...

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>>53999649
She left to protect us... uuuuuu Sana...

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What if they don’t actually have alotta lore themselves?

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>>53999749
Mori has a bit of a symmetry thing going in a lot of her songs and materials, but Mori Blanco hasn't had an official appearance yet.

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>>54001090
Quality over quantity!
Though imo if you're a streamer who racks up hours of streaming for months on end, some kind of lore is gonna end up coalescing around you, unless you're literally just chaining the exact same apex stream every day and not leaving much space for improvisation and/or creativity in your stream.

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CLARO

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>>53999649
has anyone written more about the limiter?
its pretty novel tech in the sense of "things a chuuba does to try to blend in with mortals"

like what would happen if she put the limiter on someone else?
would it be an ant-man situation?

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Has anyone every tried to do legit power scaling on holoEN? I’m aware that Kronii technically sweeps all because of time shenanigans, but where do the rest slot?

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>>54001460
Heh…
I guess I’ll try to compile something

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>>54004872
I feel like there must be some weirdo smut that makes use of it. Giantess porn is pretty popular.

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>>54004984
>inb4 shill
the dude that made the myth bad ending fight videos made a compelling argument for ina being the top tier

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>>54004984
Depending on how you interpret their incredibly vaguely defined and inconsistent powers and backstories, any of Sana, Bae, Mori, Kronii, Ina, Ame, Irys sweep everyone else. If you love your oshi a lot and wank them hard enough you can also make an argument for Gura, Mumei or Kiara beating everyone else.
I'm pretty sure the only reason I haven't seen an argument along those lines for Fauna is that the saplings couldn't be bothered.

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>>54005106
Ina would be high tier probably but I still think council sweeps since they’re (in lore) on a different plane. Though to be fair it’s hard to discern where the Ancient Ones fit in, and if their power would be stunted by having to go through an emissary.
I suppose a more interesting question would be who’s at the BOTTOM of the list. It’s tempting to say Ame, but she has time powers and all, so unless there’s “we can’t change the past” shenanigans then she’d probably no-doubt most of Myth by un-borning them. In my opinion it might be Gura since she has no external aid, is mortal, and doesn’t have time manipulation. But I guess the same argument could be made for Calli assuming she’s mortal (she does age, we know that).

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>>54005234
Looks like I have powerful oshis lmao

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>>54005234 (me)
Just for fun, here are the arguments for each sweep as I remember them.
Sana: Everyone else exists in space, and she is immune to time bullshit because space dimensions exist orthogonally to the time dimension, in other words she exists at all time points. So she can just annihilate everyone else.
Bae: Chaos is primordial and existed before all the rest, so she can simply return the universe to Chaos.
Mori: She controls death, which could include the death of concepts or the universe.
Kronii: Pulls the plug at the start of time.
Ina: Takos jerking themselves over Hastur means she's universe-tier.
Ame: She has access to infinite alternate universe Ames to do anything.
Irys: Hope is primordial, similar idea to Bae.
Gura: Really gotta wank hard for this one, but basically she's supposed to embody the idea of predation, thus she can hunt everyone else.
Mumei: As long as humanity exists, she also exists, which makes her more immortal than the others.
Kiara: She can just resuscitate forever.
>>54005338
Mori's human body gifted to her when she became a vtuber might age, but I'm pretty sure her reaper which existed before her debut is immortal.

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>>54005338
>on a different plane
from a writing perspective, I like to believe this is actually a nerf
council are more in charge of large things, but that means they are also more bound by the "rules" of their keep
like sure kronii could fuck with time, but its her bounding to make sure it doesnt fuck up cause and effect
sana could teleport by fucking with space, but its intrinsically bound to gravity so she cant do something that would tear the fabric so much it would then mess with moom's civ
etc etc

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>>54005819
Oh I didn’t know that about Mori. I figured that reaper school being part of lore meant that the reaper part ages
I know it doesn’t really give any power, but I like the idea that Gura can manipulate water and storms, and (like in her intro) can activate Red Gura (Gawr) on command, which boosts her abilities
>>54005839
Now that’s a really interesting idea that puts Myth back in contention, since they can exploit the rules. It’s also nerf Ame since Kronii would by necessity have to revert any time fuckery. Do you think the ancient ones would also be bound by the same sorts of rules?

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>>54005106
>had to teleport Mori and Kiara away during the fight because otherwise they’d just whale on her forever and there would be no stakes
Besides, can you really say she’s top tier when the Ancient Ones are the ones controlling her and not Ina herself? This ‘muh lovecraftian’ wank is getting out of hand.

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>>54006316
>when the Ancient Ones are the ones controlling her
ok sure, its not directly her powers
but if youre getting your ass beat, its gonna be touch to nit-pick who is controlling the fist

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>>54006243
>Do you think the ancient ones would also be bound by the same sorts of rules?
This one is much more up for debate
Ina hasnt really mentioned what sort of lovecraftian lore she ascribes to, so itd be a complete ass-pull to say anything definitive

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>>54006548
>Ina hasnt really mentioned what sort of lovecraftian lore she ascribes to
Tentacles

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>>54006316
>>had to teleport Mori and Kiara away during the fight because otherwise they’d just whale on her forever and there would be no stakes
In "who would win" autism forum speak, this is called BFR (BattleField Removal) and is a beloved method to give a win to an otherwise outclassed hax-based character. It's a bit unsatisfying, but hey, if you stick something in a pocket dimension I guess that's a win. In the Bad End thing I do question whether the teleports would have contained those two forever.
>>54006548
Ina makes this even harder because whenever those questions come up she downplays her powers kek.

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>>54006722
I mean depending on the Eldritch lore, “teleporting away” could mean “snapping out of existence,” which would be a bit more justifiable

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Political borders and capitals! And this one would not force-censor movies lmao.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1i1nmUNP58pkVl_2WOd0wf_i_d3tfR1VM/view?usp=drivesdk

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>>54006878
The subtitle in that particular work does specify "Those two shall be dealt with later" so I don't think that was the intention.
Though if we disregard Bad End (it's just a fan work, I don't think it's really an authority on lore) clearly anyone with the power to snap everyone else out of existence wins, barring time hax.

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>>54006917
Nice placements anon, I think you dropped the border between Savan and Polaria though.

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>>54004984
Yeah /lore/ did a tierlist. I would change some of the rankings like Lui should be higher but overall it's pretty good.

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>>54007372
Shit you right. Just imagine the central river as the border (Savan has the river).

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>>54007696
It's fun to put together a tier list and all, but I feel like that's where you run into issues with the vagueness of the various backstories requiring either excessive extrapolation or accepting a certain level of picrel.
Like, take Moona. All we know is that she's a moon goddess. What does that mean? What powers does that entail? They just threw her in Planetary but based on feats she could as well be a mythical. Ame could be anywhere between Human Level and Haachama depending on how you rate the power of her alternate universe selves. Irys' power is just based on the fact she's ancient, but her actual capabilities (basically none that we know of) could plausibly land basically anywhere.
And really Nene should either be in the God category or the superhuman category, putting her in the middle seems like a poor compromise.
Basically the holoverse is very annoying to powerlevelfag on for autists because half the characters can be either god-tier or shitters depending on your assumptions (or who your oshi is kek).

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>>54004872
>like what would happen if she put the limiter on someone else?
>would it be an ant-man situation?
She talked about it herself in one video. Yes it would shrink the other person. She specifically mentioned Mori running away from germs at the fully limited size and how the viewers wouldn't want to see her in distress like that (unless ;) )

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>>54008330
Ok but can any of them wavedash?

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>>54008330
Of course there's some vagueness to it but that's true for any kind of powerscaling, unless you're literally the author.

>Like, take Moona. All we know is that she's a moon goddess.
Because she destroyed a powerful eldritch creature and is a guardian deity that protects earth from their incursion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stmZAThUl64&ab_channel=MoonaHoshinovahololive-ID

Ame's alternate personas are different characters.

IRyS showed casual lifewiping and restoration feats in this song and in her lore she existed before time and space itself. Another ability she often displays is that she can teleport freely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDyZ3VgjcCE&ab_channel=IRySCh.hololive-EN
Not sure why Nene is in that position exactly but like I said the tier list seems mostly good.

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>>54008779
I'm pretty sure I saw Aqua wavedash in a Smash stream, cleanly putting her into a tier above "Haachama".

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>>54008933
I think High Tide is one of my favorite holo MVs, great art style. But yeah, she just kills a big thing man, doesn't seem very planetary. Same with Irys, if you look at what she does, she's making a city go from lifeless to full of plants to lived-in. Was she doing that to the whole planet? The universe? Just downtown Tokyo? If her power is control over whether leafy vines are there she should be on Fauna's tier really.
It's true there's always some vagueness to this stuff, but there's way more to this setting, since all the feats have to be extracted from pretty figurative music videos, lore paragraphs that got google translated and off-hand answers to superchats.

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>>54009545
>But yeah, she just kills a big thing man
Come on now. Moona shows incredibly speed feats, energy manipulation and even some reality warping.

IRyS lore is more important to her scaling than a feat that she performs casually, I just mentioned it because you said she has not shown any actual capabilities.
Being able to exist outside of time and space is a feat in and of itself.

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>>54009836
Speaking of Irys, how can I translate her powers to FE? Thinking she should have all 4 magic disciplines ala FE7's Athos and can fly.

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>>54010094
Instead of flying she could teleport maybe since she uses that power a lot even in kayfabe. I don't have much of an idea about FE though so maybe that's a bit broken.

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>>54010415
There's no teleport skill in FE. Closest to that is the Warp (send units further into the map) and Rescue (send units to your location). I can make Warp target herself but that's a lotta coding and I dunno where to start...

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>>54009836
>Come on now. Moona shows incredibly speed feats, energy manipulation and even some reality warping.
Yeah, but that's the problem with the placement. Very fast and very strong isn't planetary, it's very strong and very fast. The categories feel more like arbitrary sections to rank the chuubas with, unrelated to their actual powers. In fact the whole list works better if you replace the words with the classic "SS, S, A, B, C, D, etc". Fair on Irys, though I don't think pre-dating something has huge implications as to one's power. It just means you don't need it to continue existing, not that you have any control or supremacy over it.

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>>54010781
I was just pointing out your reductionist view. Moona didn't defeat a big thing man, she keeps cosmic horrors that are confirmed to be able to destroy the earth away.

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>>54010914
>that are confirmed to be able to destroy the earth away.
Is that something she mentioned on stream? I've only seen the MV and it just seems like an alien creature based on the lyrics and visuals.

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>>54011103
Ina confirms it at least twice and since her tentacles are used to show the threat Moona can oppose it's fair to say she's roughly in the same caliber of power.

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>>54011223
So yeah, about Ina, specifically her prf tome, it pretty much deletes enemy anima and dark users with effective damage. I based it on how eldritch power turns people insane if not handled properly. Light magic still counters but +1 mag on top of high atk power leaves a dent too on their users.

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>>54011223
That's a delightful abuse of scaling by extrapolating increasingly faint connections. Quintessential battleboarding! I disagree, as I prefer my feats to be more self-standing, but I have to respect it.
Did Ina ever mention her ability to destroy the world? I feel like she usually skirts those questions.

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>>54011328
What's +1 mag? I don't recall a magic stat in FE8... (all I've played of it is the first two chapters of your rom kek)

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>>54011709
Magic. In vanilla, magic and strength were together, the big QoL patch I got included separate Strength and Magic that allows for hybrid classes.

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>>54011625
That is just basic scaling. Not weird at all in the context of powerscaling, especially if you work with limited feats.

She did in her Watcher lore and she also mentioned it in the Henya collab.

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>>54011818
I'm more on the side of "limited feats means we don't know" than "limited feats means we must scale harder" desu. But as I said, I respect the hustle.
Oh right, that Watcher thing! Yeah that was a nice way to dump lore without getting too OOC as Ina, pretty well produced for a live thing too. Ina love.

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>>54012326
You can't make a tier list if you say that you don't know.
Obviously in the end all of it is just subjective, feel free to make your own. I too would change some things here like I said.

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>>54013236
I'd like something a bit more rigorous to represent the unknown factors of the matchups. I'd make a tier cloud instead, with lines between the chuubas showing who seems to have an advantage based on available information.

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>>54014568
I'll look forward to that then

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>>54014594
I'll add it to my list of autism projects! Uhh, I'll get to it eventually, stick around.

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https://rentry.org/vnulore
So I tried to compile V&U’s lore but it still feels barebone
I think I’ll ask my home thread for help

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>>54015487
That was fast! Looks nice, I'll work my way through that... I'm hungry for a batman calzone now.

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Hmm, how should Secret Society X play into my story? For now, they're a task force cobbled together by Negazion as their spy net until they hear word from Chloe about what's happening.

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>>54014671
What's your list of autism projects?

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>>54015761
Three Vitubia stories that I'd like to get back to eventually, one cvt40k story I'm currently working on, basic worldbuilding for my general for cvt40k, two fangames, and some other smaller things. And a comparative powerlevel graph now I guess kek.

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>>54015745
I assume they do a heel-face turn after that? I feel like it would be fitting if it was framed as Laplus doing a chuuni play to grab power for themselves at Negazion's expanse, but that ends up working with the Guardian's objectives, or something like that.

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>>54016180
Funnily enough, Laplus gets Negazion anyway after some time after the council of nations appoint her Regent. Every playable X and Tempus become Guardians after the game.

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>>54010541
>There's no teleport skill in FE.
Clive and Lukas would like to have a word with you about Witches.

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>>54015925
What are the fan games about?

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>>54021480
But wait, isn't she a deer?

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>>54021662
one man's deer is another man's kirin

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>>54019308
That's all the way in SoV. Years after gba. Maybe I could replicate that for Irys in exchange for that spending her turn but I lack critical information/people.

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>>54021611
That's a secret.
aka sharing half baked ideas is embarrassing. I'll prolly post here if anything comes out of them.

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Board might get a bit fast... Though it feels like it's never not fast for a reason or another lately kek.

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>>54027476
Yeah, I feel. I've come across why. That's all I say. I'd fully expect this thread to die when I wake up my time.

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>>54021662
She’s very deer to me

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>>54029492
uuuu...

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>>54029560
Don’t forget to stretch your fauncat

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>>53909807
Hey, I've got an update to the map! It includes political boundaries and the numbers there are where the game happens.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iPnq4VeTFbVfamiSrFoEL2rBV3s_dOO_/view?usp=drivesdk

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So, I've decided that the Tempus Guild Hall and the grounds of Stadt Des Feuers are gonna be my grind spots.

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>>54032060
Guild Hall unlocks first, probably at the same time you finish 12x. There you can resupply, rearm and most importantly, train your people.

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>>54030848
Oh, that's what the numbers are for. Lots of traveling in the end game.

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>>54032697
That's part of the cost of taking the fight to the big bads.

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>>54033158
(me)
Still dunno when do I grant access to Stadt's training grounds...after the Nero Eterna arc?

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Slightly different power scaling question:
Remove all insta-KOs and the like (cosmic rules ban them or something), force everyone to fight in physical combat. Factoring in lore, who wins?

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>>54033388
do they get to keep their canon weapons or is it barehands combat?

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>>54033525
Weapons are fair game, so Gura keeps her trident, Mori her scythe, Kiara her sword and shield, Watson her gun, Kroni her swords, etc.
And for those who don’t usually have a weapon, they would be able to pick one I guess, or get inventive

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>>54033388
Sana can punch you with the mass of a supermassive black hole and can move massively faster than light.

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>>54033388
Yea no question, astrogirl takes this home every day of the week. Forget punching or actually exerting herself, a finger is all she needs to bring about enough destruction to make the KT extinction event look like a light breeze

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>>54007696
That's old, right? Because for Korone for example it doesn't take the lyrics of Doggy god's street into account, making her at least myth tier:
>I'm an absolute miracle worker you know
>Doggy god
>Conquering the land The dog's world plan
>My soul perseveres Year after year
>My men, Anubis, Fenrir, Cerberus
>Cù-sìth, Orthros, all my amigos
>Sure to be fearsome These fangs always get the job done
>Shiny shiny bling bling, my vibes!
>Wings that flutter and fly about, just like a dog
>From the North side to the South side, my gang far and wide will walk
>Ruling, reigning, in one go
>Running through fast like the wind blows

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>>54035310
Yeah it's old and could need some brushing up here and there.

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Hmm, outdoor finale map means no doors to unlock per turn like how FE7 does it with its Phase 1 Finale. (One by one per turn, a door unlocks to release a boss or two into the field.)

An option would be all deadlords(reanimated people) are on the field, but they only engage when you come into their move range.

However, I also would like to make the lake take a more prominent part in the map. For that, there's only the finale of Golden Deer in Houses and I dunno how'd I replicate the poison water that's traversible there...

Also thinking if I should sprinkle a few generics or make it just the named people including "red Sombron phase 1" to end it.

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>>54035310
That song goes so hard

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>>54035310
>Doggy god's street
Is Korone in that song another version of herself? For example Okayu has an alternate version of herself where she's just straight up omnipotent but that wouldn't count.
https://youtu.be/gA6Qf7iu8SE

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>>54037059
Good question. To me the Korone in the song and mv is pretty in line with her usual self so I never thought it's supposed to an alternate version.

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>>54037402
You could make the argument that it’s an alternate version, but then you should also remember her name quite literally translates to “Dog God,” so it feels like otherworldly powers would be right in her wheelhouse.

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>>54037402
I don't feel too confident to make that call but some things seem a bit off to me like having a literal dog form and working in a restaurant.

But then again, I don't follow her too closely.

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PLAP

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CLARO

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Which ligger lore do you like?