/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Has there ever been a more brutal mogging between two debutants? """Shiorin""" as anons here kept calling her, was shilled to hell and back in the past few days. Several threads, lots of images spammed of her across the board. Expectations were set exceptionally high. Only for her debut stream to leave much to be desired, along with tjat giant red flag with the collabs talk at the end.
And for those who have been around the debut stream rodeo long enough, but still fell into the Shiori trap. You should feel ashamed.

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>>54615128
So we are not going to talk numbers now?

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>>54615128
idk if you anons are being serious here or not,
but the 2 debuts were definitely good.
But I guess its a good thing the deranged and schizo are filtered out from the start.

Idiots actually think that she's a menhera and deranged like themselves, like how bad are your lives are to be this retarded.

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i feel bad for anyone that can't appreciate the tasteful joy of an autistic nerdy girl being excited about books

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>>54615916
>filtered out
lmao we are not going anywhere, we may not watch her but you're high if you think we'll let her ruin the community with homocollabs and stay quiet about it

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>>54615128
>Several threads, lots of images spammed of her across the board. Expectations were set exceptionally high.
Stop trying to rewrite history

[Anonymous No.]

Bijou lost a good 10k viewers compared to Shiori though?

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>>54615128
>along with tjat giant red flag with the collabs talk at the end.
What red flags? What did she say? What did she imply?

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>>54615916
rock was good, shiori was a nervous wreck and very boring even without the "omg please be goth menhera gf" bias

[Anonymous No.]

Shiori:

+Great model
+Various different type of stream
+Voice Is not bad as people saying...

-..but still dosent fit the model
-no Idol goals
-feel to forced into play the character
-not funny
-lot of Red flag

Koseki:

+Funny, meme
+Not too much into the character, dosent feel forced
+Voice fit the model
+Idol goal
+Gamer
+Debut cover
+Already good bounding with Her fan with the peddle and rock gimmick

Shiori debut Is 4 for me, koseki Is a 9... But the debut Is not everything, Will we see...

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>>54615916
she's fujo by definition that makes her just as crazy as half the people on this board.

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>>54615128
I think Bijou had the best holoEn debut ever.

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>>54615128
Shiorin was adorable and more to my personal tastes.
Bijou was cute and very creative.
Doomposters BTFO

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>>54617221
Anon:


-ESL

Opinion discarded

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>>54617058
>'Respect my collab choices.'
Translation: I'm a known vtuber who has connections to the low tier Twitch scene I intend to maintain. deal with it.
people were warning about shiori for almost an entire week before this about what she was like, there's no reason for benefit of the doubt now they were all proven correct about who she is.

[Anonymous No.]

my only cope is that shiorin is just hiding her power level like fauna did in the beginning

[Anonymous No.]

>Shiori debut: Here are my favorite audiobooks, available on audible.com!
>Koseki: cute voice, soul slides, fromsoft gamer, quality cover
It wasn't a fair fight, Shiori had no chance from the start

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>>54617221
Anon:
-ESL
-Retard
-Hasn't killed himself yet

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>>54616649
rewrite what history? do you have the memory of a goldfish?
>>54616985
koseki had 2k higher peak but it did lose steam throughout the entire stream slowly falling towards 115k when shiori had consistent 124k. i'm guessing that's because koseki is the last debut of the day meanwhile the shiori crowd stuck around even if they didn't like her just to see koseki too

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>>54617914
People were doomposting about the chance of it being moe, those threads are literally still up

[Anonymous No.]

they're reading this thread right now

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>>54615916
collabs aside I wasn't a fan of Shiori's voice, even Kiara has a more pleasing voice than her

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>>54617221
Based

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>>54617711
Fauna never told people to ''respect her collab choices'' if she wants to integrate her clique into Hololive I hope dimitri stops her just like omegatroon stopped mori from coming in with her rapper friends.

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>>54617221
I wish Bijou was doing Shiori's content. I liked all her content ideas but the basic hot topic roastie bit wasn't for me. Bijou is cute as a button but i'm not really into watching those kindsa games. Her song was good.

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>>54617221
Neat and honest summary. I know the goth chuuba to be a bit mentally fragile so don't be to hard on her.

[Anonymous No.]

Sometimes I think I'm too much of a bitch. I feel bad for Moe and the brutal mogging she received.
How do I stop caring so much, bros?
I know I shouldn't give a fuck but I do.

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>>54618091
there was doomposting (i myself doomposted too) but you're on crack if you think the doomposting was more than the goth mommy hype

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>>54615698
I would avoid it myself especially if you're going against the cunny.

In a few weeks you'll be taking the beating end out of that stick.

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>>54615128
shiori just felt like she wanted to meet the expectations of everyone without saying a single thing poorly, but she ended up just seeming stressed and ranted at the end.

i feel like we definitely cannot judge her based on a debut, i agree on the fact that bijou was infinitely more appealing in most ways but spitting on a member based on 45 minutes of content is pathetic. we already lost aloe to rrats like these, and i don't want shit like that to happen anymore.

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>>54616405
Seems like you failed already, seeing as Kroni and Bae are a thing. Embarassing

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>>54616296
its just cock anon, shes excited about (not your) cock

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>>54618467
you don't really have to feel bad when you remember that she's probably on an insane high from getting into holo and that this mogging is just a group hallucination contained to vt

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>>54618159
Girls, if you are, know that it's all just shitposting. Anons are larping as sociopaths, obviously both debuts were fine and it's too early to call it

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>>54617221
good analysis, shiori just tryharded way too much, i feel bad for her because she's gonna probably look back at some things she's said here and feel down. red flags could or could not be ending up being relevant, but i do hope that she just doesn't try to do shit content that will get her hated here.

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>>54618926
Anon, so far she promised to be debut mori, she can go to hell.

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>>54619131
True, and besides, debuts aren't the be all end all. They're certainly important for establishing first impressions but most of these girls, even if they've been streaming for years, almost certainly haven't had an audience that large watching them.

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>>54616405
imagine being this autistic

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>>54619444
too late anon, that little bit of her ''dont like dont watch incels!!!'' already did the job.

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>>54618467
I'm not interested in either of them, but I do feel bad for Shiori. She's obviously truly a chuuni dork, and her confidence was not where it needed to be for her to pull off the character she's presenting.

Meanwhile Bijou knew exactly what she was doing, she's a natural. Her design, voice, jokes, stream plans, etc. made it impossible for her to stumble. Lolicon pandering is easy mode (especially on /vt/).

I wouldn't call it a brutal mogging, but Shiori is clearly going to appeal to a much smaller niche than Bijou.

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>>54617221
even being an ESL you are right

[Anonymous No.]

I don't know what people were expecting after it became pretty obvious who she was. She's not a good entertainer and never has been.

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>>54621132
And she's not going to suddenly get any better either after being in the business for so long

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>>54621551
So then how did she get into Hololive? Is it because she's asian (that's usually one of the free tickets Cover love to favoritize)

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>>54620028
you are such a fag it's embarrassing she literally talked about her "husbandos" it's grover

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>>54615916
Are you people actually retarded? She's a fuckin anime character, everyone in Hololive appeals to a certain trope and being a deranged menhera was what people want her to be. If you people want normie egirl streams, go on Twitch. Vtubers were always meant to just be anime girls streaming with exaggerated personalities.

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>>54618936
I mean… considering 7/10 virtually never do them and the two homos who did them the most got suspended (oh and tempus hasn’t been allowed to talk to en3 on twitter), i feel like we’re sort of winning

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>>54621825
Probably because Hololive received a shiton of applicants for EN 3, and just decided to do easy picks like someone who is one of the oldest EN vtubers even tho Moe and the type of content she settled on doing is the complete antithesis to what people want in Hololive. This is the true fall of EN.

[Anonymous No.]

The thing is, Shiori would do just fine everywhere but in Hololive. She would be great in Niji or Phase, but she got the golden ticket somehow so good for her I guess. I'm not convinced to say the least, but I'm hoping to be mistaken.
On the other hand, Bijou made clear with her stream that she knew what the company was about: idolshit, growing a dedicated fanbase, being part of the holobox.

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>>54615128
She have more subs atm tho, also more threads about her on the catalog. So I guess even /here/ negative PR works. Koseki's debut was so much better, but all you faggots wanna talk about is other girl's speech about collabs.

[Anonymous No.]

Management looked at Shiori's PL numbers and went "Yeah she was big before for a reason, sure let her in"
Little did they know...

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>>54623028
>This is the true fall of EN.
I can see what you're getting at. But Cover also received a shit ton of applicants for EN2. During the huge Vtubing boom and when HoloEN was at it absolute peak popularity wise. 2 of the most solid indies at the time applied and got rejected by Cover in the early stages, both of them then ended up in NijiEN.

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>>54624111
But there was also a massive gap between 2 and 3 compared to 1 and 2, so not really comparable. Cover has had, supposedly, 2-3 years worth of applicants to sort through compared to the shorter time frame between 1 and 2.

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>>54616405
Take your meds

>>54617058
She may collab with NON-HOLOS
And she's seen how schizos are attack collab partners

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>>54623245
This is /vt/, half the catalog posters are obnoxious unicorns and people who rise to their bait

People who have been around since Myth remember how rough their debuts went and the subsequent couple of weeks while they tried to establish their identities and fanbase. They all made some pretty big mistakes during that time period. Judging the new girls against their senpais before they've even had a chance is just shitposting.

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>>54617221
Based and accurate analysis of the debuts. Ignore the seething retards shitting on you.

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>>54615128
Anon, think about where you are. This board is 90% pedophiles; discount-Ilya was always going to be more popular /here/.

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>>54616405
Man I don't know who you think you are but you're really not this cool hero of the vtuber sphere you think you are

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>>54615128
if you've been around the debut stream rodeo long enough you'll know that who comes out on tops now doesn't necessarily indicate who will be carrying the gen later on. It does probably impact numbers and cash flow in the now though.

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>>54616405
based

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>>54626253
Honestly I think a month from now we might see a totally different story from today's current sub numbers. The vast majority of subs atm are pretty much from folks who have almost all the holos subbed, and variations are so far literally based on model appearances and Twitter interactions. Once folks have a full scope of what content each member is gonna put out, we'll have more accurate numbers. And really, it'll be the viewer count that tells the biggest tale

[Anonymous No.]

No one expected anything from tiny bijou but she delivered

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>>54627804
she'll probably change the voice too which seemed to be the biggest complaint before the dramafags got involved.

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>>54617221
Most lucid take on the board. Right with you~!

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>>54615128
Feel like the 2 fanbases will be enemies. Between homocuck faggots and the unicorn incels

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>>54615128
It's not a competition you retarded fuck

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>>54623024
Nah you are, makes you horrible people and I know for a fact you can live with that. You're fucking scum and harass people to get what you want, people that cave to your whims aren't much better though. All about milking money from mentally deranged and impotent men. I can never respect a woman that hustle vulnerable men like this, but I can't respect a man that can't respects himself or his fellow man either. Also not found of you myth secondaries shitting up my hobby. You fuckers used to get laughed out of threads back in the /jp/ days.

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>>54619428
>whiteknighting even if they are not /here/
there was a strong difference in vibes and performance for sure

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>>54615128
The way Koseki showed her power point presentation and did drawing segment was pretty funny. Come to think of it. Did Shiorin do anything interesting?

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>>54618467
well for one she's in hololive and we are not so, there's that

[Anonymous No.]

>Holo vs Holo
It'd be easier to just buy ads for Phase BVTM

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>>54615128
>red flags
yep, exactly what I expected out of that model. Cover exceeded beyond my wildest expectations.

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>>54621825
>>54623028
there was an insinuation that she was contacted by them, she didn't explicitly said if it was because of her audition

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>>54617221
agreed

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>>54623193
she'd fit right in with Phase, even Idol, anywhere but Holo it seems (or Vshojo for that matter)

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>>54617221
accurate.
i hope Nerissa and the dogs also do what Shiori did, the shitposts on this board will be amazing

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>>54628880
maybe some girlboss twitch indies are more your style, newfag

[Anonymous No.]

Shiori isn't a gamer, doesn't any seem to watch anime, and had no aspirations about being a vtuber. So I really have to ask, why is she even a vtuber? What the fuck is she even going to stream? That schedule was grim.

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>>54628880
based and brave take

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>>54629851
Money.

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>>54629851
Money, easiest way to get dicked down in their favorite eceleb circles. Jelousy of a more deserving women getting a spot. Keep up retard there's countless reasons

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>>54629851
education content I think? in her pl she did that and also asmr from what I could tell?

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>>54616405
You'll keep quiet and not break containment, ENshart. You're too weak minded and will let yourself get cucked as per usual.

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>>54629851

Money, simple as. She pandered to ASMR fags while hating them, she's not any better than a Thotmouranth regarding this.

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>>54629851
Remember, it was the Hololive recruitment staff that picked her. They are to blame for this.

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>>54628221
It'll be a tough sell. Honestly I was expecting a voice like Black Lagoon's Revy from that model, but what I got was high pitched GFE bait. Honestly, there wouldn't even really be drama about her collab shit had she not gone with GFE and instead went with the Revy-esque crazy chick shtick, as not playing by the rules would be something that's expected from such a character

[Anonymous No.]

Fking a cant even do it right, she cowardly standing on the fence by using that vague friends bullshit instead of raising stars flag like Baelz

[Anonymous No.]

say what you want but atleast councils failures came after their debuts.
this just set a new low

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>>54630402
Wasn't educational stuff something mumei wanted to do at debut? Granted, I suppose in her case it didn't work out because history can be too sensitive for Twitter babies

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>>54615128
the mentality that the holo girls can only collab with other holo girls is stupid. Sure it should make up the majority of their collabs but collabas with the holo men and some indies is fine as long as it's not just acting like you're not part of the hololive brand

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>>54618336
Yeah, it's never a good sign when a streamer puts a disclaimer like that. It's like she knows we won't agree with her ahead of time, yet is still going to do it. Just... why?

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>>54615916
Shiori's debut turned into a zatsu half way through

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>>54623193
Yeah, I was positively surprised by Bijou. I don't really like loli models, but she won me over with her enthusiasm and content choices. She knows the score and plays to Hololive's strengths.
The jury's still out on Shiori. She's pretty different and I can appreciate that, but this weird mix of GFE and pre-emptively implying we won't like her collab choices gives me conflicting feelings.

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>>54615916
I leave carrying Shiori in your hands, anon-kun.
If she graduates because you're gray-chatting her and mooching memberships from random gifts, I expect a naked dogeza.

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>>54617221
Shiori had all the bitchy mom red flags that makes is unpleasant to watch her.

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>>54617221
>-..but still dosent fit the model
this is what surprised me the most about the debut. She might be the first holomember where I think they fucked up their voice+model choice. It will need a lot of getting used to for me.

[Anonymous No.]

Bijou:
>bonds with fans with a silly meme drawing
>states her desire to stream long hours
>openly wants to collab with tons of Holos
>juggles dry "this is what I like" content with amusing Powerpoint meme stuff to keep it interesting

Shiori:
>talks about fictional guys she wants to fuck
>has some neat unique stream ideas, but also seems wholly uninterested in the bulk of normal stream content
>openly wants to collab with non-Holos
>seems to awkwardly force the character (this is admittedly a super common debut issue and may very well be fine in a couple months)

Shiori is definitely starting from farther back, in my mind. She might be to other people's tastes, but she just doesn't have that "Hololive" feel to me yet. Perhaps she'll grow to fit in better. I have some hopes. She was definitely cute at times, so it's not like her debut was a total disaster.

[Anonymous No.]

Coni from Idol easily mogged her whole gen during debuts, so much so that she's the only one from her gen that I pay attention to. Momo was a was an awkward dumpster fire just like Shiorin. I dont hate these girls, I just avoid them to get away from second hand embarrassment

[Anonymous No.]

She applied for the sake of money. If you think she’s bad just don’t send money retards.
And holo chose her because they know she’s basically the bland safe choice. If the twins gimmick falls out of favor and views drop and the loli gets canceled cuz her fans are pedos and whatever the raven will do, they have someone who will truck through for at least 2-3 years to make their banks b4 quitting for lazier pastures.

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>>54637104
buy an ad

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>>54616405
HOLY BASED

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>>54637177
>and the loli gets canceled cuz her fans are pedos
nigger
GURA

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>>54617221
I would shit on you for being ESL, but others already have, and it would change the fact that you are right.

[Anonymous No.]

I really think it's underrated that Shiori is a veteran that survived through basically the whole history of the scene. There's a lot about talents that can be improved with time but it's very hard to just get someone that's got good mental.

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>>54636648
I really hope Shiori does good content and this was just a bad debut as usual but I guess I'm just coping honestly, on the contrary Bijou was an incredible debut desu

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>>54637743
The idea of science streams is a really cool idea to me. Like, showing off microscope slides? I'm a lab tech, and I'm so into the concept. It's just that her actual taste in the bulk of stream content is... pretty abysmal. If she can take those creative ideas and have them occupy a decent amount of stream hours, she's gonna be great. But I fear she's gonna fall back on vidya and it'll largely be pretty trash.

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>>54637743
>just a bad debut as usual but I guess I'm just coping honestly
Anon surely you were around for at least Mumei's debut right? Korone? Pekora?

[Anonymous No.]

Hopes are really low for shiorin, she fucked up that debut hard.

However I will cling to the hope that she will be like gura and do a complete 180 from her pl however I won't sub or invest my time in her until she proves herself.

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>>54638016
yeah just mumei but I was saying cope as I were expecting to be wrong about her being boring, I'm not spreading hate anon

[Anonymous No.]

When people say she's raising a lot of red flags, what do you mean by that? Red flags for what? Which flags are being raised? I don't understand.

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>>54615916
HOLY BASED
THE HOMOBEGGAR FEARS THE UNICHAD

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>>54639472

[Anonymous No.]

>people suck off dimitri for days
>FOR THIS
rumaoing

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>>54636546
Don't forget about Botan. People were expecting her to be a cool, sultry lioness pre-debut.
The main difference will be that Botan is actually entertaining to watch. If you've seen Shiori's past work, you'll know she was just as much of a snoozefest before as she was in her Holo debut.

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>>54640088
>People were expecting her to be a cool, sultry lioness pre-debut.
Where is that grim dawn stream?

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>>54617058
It could be nothing, it could be the end of the world. We will see.

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>>54640088
>a cool, sultry lioness
But she's exactly that...

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>>54623193
I don't know man, when I watched new phase invaders debut I felt way more excitement than watching Shioris debut. And I've never watched phase connect, aside from trying to watch Pippa and closing the stream after few minutes.

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>>54640726

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>>54640088
she like that in first few months. even yuri baiting with lamy

[Anonymous No.]

I just want to know why she joined Hololive.
Is it just to get her big break? I don't need the truth I want to hear the lie she will try to hold up to, and I don't think she mentioned anything like that on her debut.

Getting serious Mori vibes here

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>>54643212
Because she is in this since forever, and never really became "big" despite having 360 streams and overal good production values as far as her production side was concerned.

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>>54643212
Why would she not want to join hololive and become famous and make a lot of money lmao