/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

How did EN3 blow up so much compared to EN2? I've never seen /vt/ as hyped as with this shiori singing

[Anonymous No.]

>>55186645
EN2 killed their own momentum by phoning it in.

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>>55186645

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>>55186645
She's perfect bro, that karaoke summoned up every highschool regret and romantic fantasy I've ever had. I'm not gonna make it. I'm absolutely parasocial for this dork. She's so powerful

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>>55186795
the dogs are about to catch-up with Sana, not even a faqing month wow

[Anonymous No.]

>>55186645
Every first karaoke was hype for gen 2. Honestly, this has always been a part of the culture of the board until ame killed it and gura disappeared.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55186645
Mumei's first karaoke reinvented singing tierlists. Newfag.

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>>55186645
Doesn't hurt that EN management seemingly learned from how thoroughly they cocked up Council's debut so no one ended up in Twitter jail or had multiple sub culls before they even fucking streamed for the first time.

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>>55186645
Dumb newfag. You clearly weren't here during Mumei's first karaoke

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>>55186645
They didn't "blow up". Considering how /vt/ is reacting to EN3, EN3 is probably the first HoloEN debut for all these newfags and man, there are a lot of you.

[Anonymous No.]

I will never forget the day the first time Gura sang and made everyone collectively kneel.

That's someone "special" not that cumdump who's getting carried by hype from not getting a gen in a while and the hard astrosturf

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>>55186795
The doggos are very close to star riding the algorithm aren't they?

[Anonymous No.]

>>55186877
Hope you're okay with her collabing with the boys

[Anonymous No.]

>>55186645
everyone has been dissatisfied with en1/en2 for a long time, begged for en3, and now they have streamers who want to stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55186645
>told to take it easy
>proceeds to disappear during their most important growth period
Myth sabotaged Council with extremely bad advice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55186645
Council was just really mid

[Anonymous No.]

>>55186645
Omegatroons reign of faggotry is over. Cover finally caught on to the out of control managers.

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>>55186645
EN3 hasn't "blown up" though. As for EN2, they did it to themselves really because they somehow interpreted "take it easy" as "do nothing at all" and a lot of people just lost interest. Didn't help it was during their growth period either. They were pretty demoralized by the sub culling too.

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>>55190407
>EN3 hasn't "blown up" though
Is this cope?

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>>55190407
Yeah so far they seem to be growing about the same as council during their first few months.
If they can keep up the momentum to 1 mill or hell just past Bae or Fauna then they're blowing up but its too early to tell

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>>55190572
likely

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>>55186645
Australians and Koreans

[Anonymous No.]

>>55186908
Shiet, it’s not even a week.

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>>55189611
Cuck

[Anonymous No.]

>Streamers who want to stream
>Majority white women gen like Myth
>Unique gimmicks
>All have extensive history as Vtubers
>They each have actual useful talents unlike Council (Bae can dance and that's it)
>There are no jobbers, each member is at least decent and has their own niche
They're better than council by leaps and bounds

[Anonymous No.]

Yep everyone here is gold. There's no Sana "I'm an artist but don't want to stream art"

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>>55186645
To me Council felt too mid that's all. Mumei, Kronii, Sana are all run of the mill streamers without special personalities (Kronii is a killjoy, Mumei is doesn't stand out, I couldn't understand Sana).
Fauna and Bae are good hires but not good enough to carry their generation on their own. I didn't feel any ambition with Council, I felt more excitement for Lazulight's debuts than for Council.
Compare that with EN 3 where every girl has a unique separate personality, they all bring something new to the table and have ambitions related to Hololive (Except Shiori, but she's unique in her own way).

[Anonymous No.]

Are EN3 streams being so short intentionally? I can't remember if that's always a thing for week 1 or something.

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>>55192364
>Fauna and Bae are good hires but not good enough to carry their generation on their own.
The two runts of council carrying the gen lmao

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>>55186645
EN2 killed their own momentum by phoning it in.

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>>55192477
it was a strategy for tempus early on

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>>55192477
A lot of the streams (at least that I've watched) have been a normal length for EN. A lot of council had 2-3 hour streams in their first week. I think Tempus were the only ones that had to have the shortened streams at first, but Cover realized how bad of an idea it was after Vanguard

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>>55186645
The hype around Shiori is entirely superficial
She can't sing, she's not entertaining, her voice is annoying but for some reason everyone raids and shills her
Everyone else in her gen is more talented but they get less than half the shills threads COMBINED
Nerissa did a nice 13k CCV gaming stream, she reached the end of the game faster than she expected and what did she do? She raided Shiori's waiting room that was still 30 minutes away from stream start despite others girls streaming at the time
It's obvious that Shiori is being pushed as the star of her gen although I can't for the life of me comprehend why they chose her

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>>55193032
bummer, but i guess people like weird nerd girls

[Anonymous No.]

>>55186795
>Vezalius Bandage
That can't be real

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>>55186645
Several things really cut down on Council really:

>cover spent too long teasing it and dragging it out, it's like having an extra month to just stare at a christmas present, its existence isn't a surprise anymore. also "pray to the cube" cringe etc

>susan fucking ripped their subs to shreds over and over and it was impossible to tell how they were being received basically

>over-focused on lore, every girl had literal walls of text lore and we were implied that it's a big deal. this made us seriously-expect Bae to be a chaotic funny girl like Pekora - she wasn't, big disappointment. Mumei was headcanon'ed into being some GSG autist because of her civilization theme - she wasn't, etc

>omega existing was a huge wtf distraction

>imo the designs were kind of stupid looking for most of them, theme made no fucking sense (aspects.. gods.. something) and felt and looked like some half baked gacha garbage

Note how none of these things afflicted Advent. Not to mention Council became double-triple-quadruple disappointing over time from many of them barely streaming, Sana quitting, then their being insistent on homo collabs etc. Advent appears to be aimed to not be those things and restores confidence in the brand. Also, the fans were fucking starved for new girls and all this fucking shitty cope about Tempus was gladly gotten over once we got more of what we always-wanted. Their giving us Tempus and then 2empus was like giving a thirty man in a desert salt water - a cruel joke that wouldn't actually help him when only fresh water would do. With Advent they splashed a bucketful onto us. All hail Jap and /s on Omega's grave.

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>>55193032
>they get less than half the shills threads COMBINED
I have made some Shiori threads these last days just to piss of niggers like you. She's the weirdest Holo hire yet (this is not a bad thing) but she redeemed her shit debut after she actually started streaming. I didn't need to get coverbucks, I just wanted to shut up people hanging on a couple of her comments or PL drama

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>>55190572
Growing at the same pace Council did isn't "blowing up". The only difference is that EN3 haven't been hit by any sub cullings. Yet. Council got hit by several btw some of which were pretty brutal.

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>>55193546
>but she redeemed her shit debut after she actually started streaming
I've seen a lot of people say this but nobody ever says how she redeemed herself
She did an autistic lecture about vtubers, was a bitch during her gens collab and sucked ass at karaoke. Where is the redemption?
Her day 1 comeback story feels forced as fuck just like everything else about her

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>>55193538
I forgot about Omega
>debuts new chuuni vtuber manager persona within days of new gen, robbing them all of their debut hype
>do absolutely nothing with xem, except for some lame lore tweets
wtf were Cover thinking, one of the most baffling decisions they've ever made

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>>55193713
>I've seen a lot of people say this but nobody ever says how she redeemed herself
Because her debut was boring but her autism when she starts streaming (and can go off the rail) is entertaining
>She did an autistic lecture about vtubers
One of the best HoloEN streams in history
>was a bitch during her gens collab
Meds, she's the leader of her gen and carries the conversation in group collabs
>and sucked ass at karaoke
And it was the funniest shit this day

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>>55186645
Council was doomed from the start for me. I don't like the designs or the voices at all. Meanwhile I like 5/5 designs and voices in EN3, which is a first.

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>>55186739
You can thank Mori for that

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>>55186645
>Le quirky "i'm totally metally ill" girl pop up
>shizo thinks she is totally like him
>can't control his emotions and needs an outlet
Turns out pretending to be a shizo attracts shizos and they do shizo things like posting shit over and over

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>>55194002
yeah I was trying to put it into words in my big-ass post up ITT but I've now got it - 'beggars can't be choosers.' I had to convince myself to just tolerate Sana's design, try to bear with Bae's voice, try to tolerate Mumei being fucking retarded in her first couple months over-playing her kayfabe, tolerate Kronii's fucking stupid tits-on-a-stick design and stupid hair and stupid clock theme. I fucking hated most of Council's look really come to think of it, only moomers and fauna are OK and bae is marginal (kinda overdone IMO).

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>>55193032
It’s fucking weird. Maybe she just picked the best time slot, but even when multiple girls are streaming it seems like everyone’s first thought is to raid Shiori. And so far Gura, who overlaps both Bijou and Nerissa, usually ends her streams right around the time Shiori starts hers. Gura probably doesn’t do it on purpose but it does feel like Shiori is catching a lot of big breaks early on.

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>>55191057
>sub cullings cope again
You know people would've came back if they liked them, no? This just shows how much of an impact their debut and subsequent streams were.
Kronii was the only one smart enough to capitalize off of that early on, but look where she is right now after getting complacent. Even fucking Mumei surpassed her and she was way behind before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55188682
>still gloating about that 100k karaoke
>conveniently forgets 100k was because of the hype back then too
>didn't mention the covid buff, which honestly is one of the reason myth took off

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>>55194463
Meant for >>55190407

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>>55193434
Anon, every vtuber's name is retarded, it's just usually veiled in a foreign language 99.9% of amerilards will never bother to learn
>Shiori Novella
>Bookmark Novel/Short story (If you go with Italian or English for Novella)

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>>55190572
>>55191087
No. Allow an oldfag to put things into perspective for you:
>Gura's first unarchived karaoke on had 120K ccv. This was back when having 45K at debut was ground breaking.
>Gura was the first holo ever, to hit 1 million subs which was reached in 41 days.
>Mumei's first unarchived karaoke was an unannounced guerilla stream on Sept. 21, 2021 garnering 30K ccv. Really close to Shiori's announced and raided karaoke, isn't it?

Now before you lose your cool, I'm not shitting on EN3. I actually want them to do well, but they are not "blowing up" or doing better than EN2. You're just newfags experiencing your first HoloEN debut and that's fine. Enjoy it. These will be some of the best times before it goes downhill.

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>>55193666
they had 2 years to earn those subs back, but their gen is so worthless not a single one of them has 1m. the JP gen that debuted after them already has 2, 3 in about a month or so. the ID gen has a member that has 2m.

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>>55194240
>try to tolerate Mumei being fucking retarded in her first couple months over-playing her kayfabe
I mean, the twins are all about kayfabe and seem to be popular enough (although I know some people hate it, so maybe it's a similar situation to what you're talking about)

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>>55194806
Mumei doesn't sound like a child, and she didn't pander to her model's assets, so she lost both ends of her crowd

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>>55194760
So if Kronii and just Kronii had 1 milion subs then suddenly the gen wouldn't be worthless? That doesn't really make sense, nothing else would change. Dunno why people are so hung up over the 1 million threshold. Kaela has the least subs in ID3 and won't get a million in 2 years, but she's more popular and makes more money than Zeta who does have more subs than her.

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>>55194463
There's actually a very simple explanation for that, although you'll just call it cope again, but most people don't think of checking things like that and most of the time don't notice it. Especially if they're subscribed to a lot of channels. There were even anons on this board who didn't notice until they saw posts mentioning that Council's subs had been culled. It's absolutely a thing that happens.

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>>55194748
But anon, that was during China flu, so they had boost from that.

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>>55195058
just wanna add on to your post that council didn't speak up about it like holox did on social media either so those who didn't notice had no way of knowing

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>>55186645
>cute and comfy with Shiori for the menhera saviorfags
>All have respected their fan base (Shiori implied she we would have to respect her collab choices but it remains to be seen)
>streaming often
>each of them clearly enjoy this a lot, especially the dog twins
>dog twins are radiating positivity and optimism
>Shiori is going the GFE route and likes fanfics

I don't know much of Bijou and Narrisa, but they both seem to have continued the very untreaded and revolutionary road of not treating your fans like shit. Who'd have believed the secret to vtubing success was not treating your supporters like the enemy?

The thing I love most about it is the dog twins take it a step further. Their whole take on this is that they should make you happy, optimistic and feel better. Kronii, Gura, Ame, and others don't seem to fucking view it that way. This is the evil idol culture Kronii and Ame rage against so much. They're the fucking problem, not the audience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55190407
>EN3 hasn't "blown up" though

It absolutely has. I'd go as far to say as this is a renaissance for HoloEN. This gen has been an absolute homerun on every level.

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>>55193964
>Meds, she's the leader of her gen and carries the conversation in group collabs
She actually needs to work at her leader characteristics, I decided to start watching when girls came in and she would constantly try to talk over them or just add her useless input in the middle of conversation, like she couldn't keep her mouth shut even for a minute she needed for some reason to say something, which is good(!) for solo streams, not collabs.

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>>55195110
Yes and back then, debut's were under the 50K mark for Hololive. Now we have 120K ccv debuts and this is the most hype we're going to get. So there is no "blowing up", but just par for the course now.

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>>55194806
The Twin's kayfabe char is to be genki innocent sisters, not drooling retards, which was Mumei's theme apparently. "I forgor" "lol berries" etc. That's fine for like a "funny bit of the week/day" kind of deal but should not come to define her. Fortunately she gradually dropped that and become more of the moompers we have today who is more balanced in approach. Still kind of ditzy and autistic but not to the point of not being able to function for a stream.

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>>55195058
>>55194240
>>55194806
I take it you didn’t actually watch her back then? Mumei struggled early on because she couldn’t even use her kayfabe as a crutch if she wanted to.
>>55195291
Not to mention that Council channels couldn’t be found through Youtube’s search function as it was happening.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55195615
“I forgor” was literally never a thing Mumei did. You’d be more accurate saying it was an IRyS thing, since she’s the one who said it in her debut.

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>>55195468
Fuwamoco are going to pass Sana's subs within like a day for what it's worth. I think they've had multiple first week streams with higher CCV than Sana ever achieved for anything in a year besides outfit reveals. Or wait, lemme check. Scratch that, the twins (and shiori) have already had higher CCV regular streams in ONE WEEK than Sana EVER had over a YEAR.

This isn't to just shit on Sana endlessly (actually, I liked her more than most Councils RIP), just highlighting how fucking stunning this all actually is. Yes she quit a year ago but she still had about a year's worth of being around up to that to build up - the twins caught up to a Council who had existed for about a year -in 3 days-. 3 days. That's 100x the pace. Of course, the Advents will level off soon too but I wouldn't be surprised if some of them actually get to the million mark within the year which would really beg the "so why DID council turn out like it did" kinda questioning.

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>>55194806
their keyfabe is likely going o trigger a youtube kids designation on their channel if they aren't careful

[Anonymous No.]

>>55193878
over thinking
>huh duh everyone is weeb and dreams of isekai, power fantasy etc...

[Anonymous No.]

>>55195976
Fuwawa's boobs thankfully fix that

[Anonymous No.]

The antis tried to torpedo en3 and instead helped drive up the hype.
Story as old as time.

>>55193713
You sound upset.

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>>55195902
I think “within a year” is overly optimistic, since literally only Kobo has managed it since Myth. I’d also assume that the sub culling probably did some permanent damage, algorithm-wise, along with simple timing. If IRyS and Council debuted within a week of each other instead of having a month between them, they could have more effectively boosted each other’s hype, rather than IRyS stealing the “first new debut in a year” hype and Council taking away her “shiny new toy” hype.

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>>55196188
>The antis tried to torpedo en3
We must be on different realities, all i've been seeing is "How scared is gura" "Ame and Kronii should leave after seeing REAL passion" and so on
I will give you the hate for Shiori seems a bit overly excessive, bitch just wants to collab with non-holo people without her fanbase crying

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>>55195902
>I wouldn't be surprised if some of them actually get to the million mark within the year
Not even HoloX managed that so I would in fact be very surprised, although if anyone could do it it would be Fuwamoco.

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>>55193032
Hide your jealousy a little better, sister

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>>55196312
You’re forgetting “EN3 will never happen”, “they only started looking a couple months ago”, “Tempus is EN3”, “EN3 will suck because small corpos took all the good talents”, and “EN3 won’t happen until Council reaches 1M subs.”

[Anonymous No.]

>Mythfags trying to stir shit up again since Myth has been dying for 2+ years

Ignore the schizos and be happy with your new girls Adventfags.

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>>55195041
When EN3 doesn't reach a million subs in two years, they'll change their metrics and say numbers never mattered.

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>>55194160
This, don't forget Mori got her claws into Kronii extremely early to leech off her and everything went downhill from there.
Kronii doesn't even collab with the homos outside of whatever Mori forces.

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>>55196491
"EN3 will be mixed gen"
"EN3 will be all Tempus shills"
"Omega is in EN3"
etc. The way things were going actually-were pretty grim and I think Cover was trying to dare us as like, "oh you don't like males? what happens if we make all your oshis collab with males then huuuh?" and the answer is unironically "drop hololive" and they wisened up and stopped that suicide run. rather they dropped omega on his head and jap fixed everything with one simple trick - model yourself after holoJP, the big ultra successful branch that the West was in love with years before EN itself existed.

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>>55194676
Directly naming yourself after a noun sounds more cringe in english than in japanese. Notice how Shori's name isn't 'Shiori Book' or something. If Mr. Bandage had done something clever like made a pun or referenced some foreign word with his name it would be more bearable. Something like 'Mysta Rias' is cartoonishly goofy but not automatically cringe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55186645
i didn't even watch shiori karaoke
why would i when she said she was going to collab with the homos

[Anonymous No.]

>>55186645
Forced hype.

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>>55194748
fair, but i'm far from a newfag, been here since before Myth debuted

[Anonymous No.]

>>55193434
>HoloTempus: Banjo Kazooine

Omega...........

[Anonymous No.]

Because YouTube culled Councils subs by 50-70% right after they debuted. It didn't happen to Advent

[Anonymous No.]

>>55196491
For all posts like that there were an equal amount, if not more, of posts believing EN3 would was coming. They believed in it so much they turned into a meme by posting Whitebeard images and saying EN3 is real.

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>>55186645
Because they learned. EN2 was rushed and they let shitters like Kronii and Sana in the door. They got extremely lucky that Fauna turned out to be great, but EN3 it seems like they actually had a plan going in. (You can tell with the coordinated raids.) They probably prepared the talent much better too.
We still have to wait and see where we end up, but right now EN3 is looking very good.

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>>55194760
No one was physically lost from the sub count. They just took a bunch of subs and said "hey, you don't count anymore toward the sub number, but you are still subbed to their channel."

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>>55188297
That just means they reached new audiences, which is extremely vital. Western vtubing has been stagnant for over a year now.

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>>55190304
>Hololive is getting stronger >:3

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>>55192571
Sana was the real runt though. The designation just took on a new meaning once she graduated. These days Fauna is absolutely not a runt. (Bae still struggles with CCV.)

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>>55186795
Wtf the twins are already at 400k?

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>>55194463
Truly spoken like someone who doesn't know how sub culling works and is clearly just a schizo. Those who are culled don't actually get unsubbed. They're all still there. They just don't show up anymore on the counter so it looks like they got unsubbed. Retard.

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>>55193032
>She raided Shiori's waiting room that was still 30 minutes away from stream start despite others girls streaming at the time
She probably promised Shiori that she would raid her but since she finished the stream earlier than expected, she didn't want to just break that promise and ended up raiding a waiting room.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55186795
>vezalius bandage
>vantacrow bringer
>yu q. wilson

[Anonymous No.]

>>55197471
The raids are clearly management-mandated. Nothing wrong with that though, it just forces everyone to be smart and support each other.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55197509
>next Niji wave
>Wereoutta Bread
>Singer Song
>V. Tuba McStreamface

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>>55197579
Well then they should all raid Bijou to shore up her CCV instead of just default to one over and over.

Although, this would be far easier to work with if there wasn't so much overlap. Bijou usually goes first, so ends first, and misses the raid train. Nerissa/twins are next, then Shiori last - Shiori catches the accumulated train at the end. Although I didn't check today if Nerissa actually had a choice to raid, if she could have raided Bijou or something and didn't that's a bit sketchy, but it's also possible they chatted about it and Bijou was like "nah I'm gonna end soon anyway it's not worth it just send 'em to shiori."

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>>55195976
Nah. Luna or Korone's channel would be a designated child account if that were true. Besides, Fuwawa's knockers would cancel that.

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>>55198020
not to mention actually the twins are secretly a bit lewd (and probably that will be not so secret as time goes on). they're not like marine coomers etc but lewd is possible.

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>>55198100
Everyone is lewd anon, even the most prude bitches.

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>>55197736
Nerissa usually ends before/around the same time as Bijou so neither of them are getting raided by the other

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>>55196670
What scares me is that Mori has been interacting with the twins the most so far

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>>55191596
>majority white

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>>55198020

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>>55189611
she was probably talking about her old friends and you retards applied your cucking fantasies to this
thank god you dont watch her i want a cleaner fanbase

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>>55198488
the twins would be more likely to fix mori than mori would be able to fuck them over. for one the twins have each other so it's not easy to convince them both to do something I'd guess, two they took that pledge and three mori has been a softer lately.

I think mori is just trying to prove she doesn't hate the twins for existing as mori was suspected of being insecure about cutesy super-kayfabe girls like that and might not get along with them or be a dipshit spoilsport for them in collabs. I still think she would/could be that hence I guess she's trying to show she's OK with them.

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>>55198578
rewatching it and having seen her stream, i think she actually meant she won't collab much and often collabs won't repeat. i think she has a hard time making friends and people get annoyed with her. and to not harass people to collab with her again.

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>>55198607
>purification of Mori by cutesy kayfabe stuff
Muuuuh dick gonna explode, stop anon.

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>>55197509
>>55197640
>Mario Luigi
>Fantacola Drinker
>John Johnson

>>55198020
Despite the baby voice Luna doesn't really play into the child kayfabe, quite the opposite actually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55186645
They brought interesting people that want to work

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>>55196802
Council's subs were actually culled pre-debut. But yeah, that didn't happen to Advent.
Which makes it even more crazy really. Council had 500k+ subs pre-debut BEFORE they got culled whereas Advent had around 200-300k WITHOUT being culled.
With that said, I think Advent will be able to capitalize on their popularity more than Council did because they're actually trying.

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>>55186645
>I've never seen /vt/ as hyped as with this shiori singing
Newfag spotted

[Anonymous No.]

>>55197640
>>55198867
>Salutationous Cheery
>Handhold Glover
>Finn Gertips

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>>55196188
>The antis tried to torpedo en3
How exactly would the antis torpedo EN3 by making assumptions on 4chan where cover doesn't see this nor would be influenced?

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>>55199202
>people (bots) who subbed didn't resub
im so sick of this cope

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>>55186795
Im more surprised the cunny is the weakest in subs at the moment.
Are people getting filtered by her voice? I think its cute honestly. Add the fact that once the inhibitors come off, I bet she becomes a streaming monster (not to Kaela levels tho).

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>>55199395
she will grind her way up. i think her and the twins are the safest.

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>>55199322
People don't get unsubbed when they get culled you retard. They're still subbed but YouTube arbitrarily chooses some to cull and they basically don't count anymore.

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>>55199460
>they are still subbed but they actually aren't
cope harder

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>>55186645
Because EN3 is fantastic.
>Dogs
JP members but in English, plus the twins novelty.
>PebbleChild
An all rounder, but her enthusiasm and energy mean she's all round good.
>Nerissa
Absolute monster of a get, holy shit.
Blew away every expectation by such a wide margin it's not even funny.
>Shiori
After the weakest debut she's been doing well. Seems to be going for a unique niche. Need to see more from her as she settles.

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>>55186645
since advent girls aren't even 1 month old lets compare en3 with early en2
>mumei starts off weak, shit early schedules and orisong taking ages for MV version doesn't help
>sana is a case of good artist =/= good looking chuuba
>people expects bae to be the crazy one or at least retro gamer judging from her intro animation, she is just a turbo zoomer instead
so only fauna and kronii hardcarrying council hype in early days

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>>55199322
as someone that's analyzed the youtube community at large for years, you'd be surprised at how many people don't even check their subs and only go off of their recommended. add that with the fact that more subs means more promotion by both the youtube algorithm as well as the youtube establishment (if you get enough), subs matter a lot

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>>55199721
i avoided fauna for a long time because i'm not into asmr and just considered her an asmr streamer. i think a lot of people did.

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>>55199612
Oh wow, you're even more retarded than I thought. Reading comprehension issues as well. My condolences to your parents.
No, they're still subbed but due to what YouTube perceives as suspicious sub growth that they can't verify right away they perform sub culls. Basically, Council was growing too fast pre-debut and that rattled YouTube so they culled subs while verifying the subs, which means they all still stayed subbed.
It's ok that you're an uneducated retard who has no idea what he's talking about though :)

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>>55199612
people staying subbed during culls is common knowledge you colossal retard
it's literally just youtube's way of saying "this is suspicious, we'll make you invisible until we can verify you're a real person"
unironically end your life you subhuman

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>>55199643
>Because EN3 is fantastic.
>Dogs
Good hire for JP but got into EN by accident
>PebbleChild
Low tier loli chuuba. There are plenty other Holos, small corpos and indies that do it better
>Nerissa
Not the best Vsinger there is but a genuinely good hire and the only one that fulfills the expectations that come with being scouted for Hololive
>Shiori
Weak entertainer, weak singer, annoying voice. Bottom of the barrel

EN3 would've been underwhelming if it released within a normal timeframe but for the first gen in 2 years this is pathetic

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>>55199901
I did too. But months in it felt like she started to get comfortable and we started to see her turbo dweeb side and she has just been nonstop witty/funny and a big asset to collabs since.

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>>55199902
>they all still stayed subbed
>they lost subs
so either you are saying half their subs were in fact unverifiable bots or you are just making shit up. either way, i win.

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>>55199721
I really, really never understood this take Ive seen all over /vt/ about Sana looking bad.
Her design was simpler compared to the rest of Council, but is that the issue? Is that so bad? I really dont get it.

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>>55195355
> evil idol culture Kronii and Ame rage against so much
Never happened, both consider themselves idols.

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>>55190572
you people are delusional. this isn’t the pandemic anymore, nobody gives a fuck about these girls except fans already into vtubing

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>>55200066
youtube is notoriously slow at verifying retard, it takes a really fucking long time
but sure, you win at being a retard. congratulations. would you like a trophy with "retard" on it too?

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>>55200178
Kronii sounds so uncomfortable reading superchats after every idol performance because her fans keep calling her a cute idol and she obviously hates it
If she could get away with not doing the idol bit she would drop it in a heartbeat

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>>55199202
Nope. Council tried, they just got culled big time.

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>>55199612
They are physically still subbed. YT just subtracts them from the sub count. Tard

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>>55186795
how are there 200 clips per chuuba? they did like 2 streams each. how the fuck you get 100 clips per stream?

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You guys are fucking retards who go off on "hype" when it hasn't even been a month yet. You think Shiori will be one of the amazing Karaoke singers weeks later? The moment something happens you idiots will turn around and shit up the board with doom posts about EN3.

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Council copers ITT
It was doomed to fail with deadweight sana in the roster anyway

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>>55198578
>she was probably talking about her old friends
you know these are basically all guys right?

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>>55196986
Hololive has been stagnant and still is because outside events is a fucking snorefest
Western vtubing has been doing fine while you were crying "VTUBING IS DEAD"
btw waiting for "WHAT WENT WRONG" when EN3 will have 3-5k ccv in a month or two after debut buff expire

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>>55198534
>he thinks the twins are asian
>he thinks the raven is a zhang just because she has kanji autism

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>>55200412
Sana was Ina's nepo hire so blame her.

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>>55200467
about the twins anon...

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>>55200397
>you idiots will turn around and shit up the board with doom posts about EN3.
That’s their plan. Why else do would they be going all in on the hype now?

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What hype? It seems their numbers were lower than when Council debuted. I kind of expected them to keep the views up for the month but they are already dipping before the week is over. Their stream views seem to only get lower with each stream. I guess this is another mistake that Cover did. They clearly lifted the 1 hour restriction for early streams after Holostars did and how that was a mistake but now they've made another mistake of having all the girls overlap each other since they are canabalizing each other's views.

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>>55198488
She probably sees them as honorary Japanese and will treat them very well. She's always treated JP people better than EN. I don't blame her either.

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>>55200218
it doesnt matter what you claim, the subs never came back means they werent real

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>>55200524
the twins has posted their literal heritage down from grandparents and called themselves caucasian

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>>55193032
>I can't for the life of me comprehend why they chose her
probably because they gave her the 'leader' role and after having both previous 'leaders' (watson and bae) end up completely falling behind their gens to such an extent they ended up placing dead last they've decided to try and prevent that happening a third time.

it won't work of course. there's only so much you can force success. over time as the general hype for en3 dies down averages will get established. this has all the signs of a corpo in action because if it were left up to the streamers they would be well aware that viewers will settle down to what their specific tastes are and you can't just transplant them onto things and people you want to, but corpos never seem to understand that. probably because they don't view people as people but just numbers and predictable trends.

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>>55200300
If she thought that she’d probably not take part in optional activities like singing karaokes or releasing and covers. She’s just bad at taking compliments, and always has been.

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>>55200697
*releasing (original songs) and covers

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>>55186645
Council being announced was a pleasant surprise that was welcomed during a period of relative contentment. Advent was announced during a painful slump after suffering two generations of Homos, with everyone scratching the fuck out of their heads wondering where the fuck EN3 was coming, becoming increasingly disgruntled.
Advent's debut was like being trapped under the blankets, getting hotter and more uncomfortable by the second, and then finally getting the covers lifted and feeling the cool air on your skin.

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>>55193032
It reminds the of the whole magging time shit.

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>>55193032
>>55200000

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>>55200697
She enjoys singing and cover songs
What Kronii hates are the whole idol thing and the culture around it

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>>55186645
Council got their subscribers purged twice and everyone expected them to be Myth 2.0 with all of them having some insane talent. Them being cute, young girls was enough in the long run but put a damper on any hype.
Advent had less overblown expectations while at the same time having been anticipated for way longer.

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Isnt 31k kinda low for the first karaoke? I remember mumei got like 30k in her first and that was like 1 month after debut

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The only one I absolutely cannot stand in this gen is Shiori and I gave her 3 different chances.
Her debut: it was very weak but I was ok with it until she started nagging the viewers for no apparently reason at the end.
Her first stream and the bbc joke.
And then one final time when fuwamoco was part of her stream for the stream yesterday and she actually managed to make "jokes" that made them uncomfortable.
3 strikes
I might check back on her later after monetization opens up and she becomes a bit more humble towards her genmates

Like all the other girls though.

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>>55193032
She's being pushed for right now because she needs it more than the other members. She had a buff from her design and from debuting first and yet Bijou and Nerissa both overtook her. Bijou is pretty much headed into the same direction as Ina so she will be fine in the future. Nerissa is doing quite well, being the second most popular of their gen. Fuwamoco doesn't need any help at this point since their merch is selling really well and it's going to be raining superchats when they get monetized. Not to mention all the senpai that are so eager to collab with Fuwamoco, they are smooth sailing to success at this point. So that just leaves Shiori who got hit with backlash almost immediately and has been struggling to keep up.

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>>55201016
>Isnt 31k kinda low for the first karaoke?
And it was raided by all 3 of her genmates

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>>55186645
The answer is simple
Council just isn't that good. It's not that deep and there's no science to it. Council was very flat from the beginning and it didn't help that most of Myth stopped caring so subsequently, Council followed by example.
I feel like we needed to have Council as a trial and error and now they got it right.
Not to go all /#/ but if they end up surpassing them in subs and the ccv average is still far above theirs, then that speaks for itself.

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>>55201052
nta but bijou definitely has a specific niche on lock and she will do fine.
I watched some of all of her streams so far not all of it because overlaps with fuwamoco and she is amazing at keeping things interesting and interacting with her chat.

Honestly can't wait for this endless overlapping crap to end so I can watch her and fuwamoco streams, and probably some Nerissa as well.

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>>55200748
Can't say you're wrong, in hindsight.

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>>55186645
Council took a really long time to find their stride. Some cases it's because they simply weren't very interesting, in others it was management that still had an excessive risk aversion.
Management seems to have changed and they really picked well on EN3. The entire gen is great and excels in completely separate areas. There's almost no one getting filtered by all of Advent.

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>>55200761
She clearly doesn’t considering she forced her doctor to remove her surgery jaw stitches weeks before scheduled just so she could go to Japan for Holofes prep. There’s no way anyone would’ve forced someone that’s still recovering from surgery to do that, so it was her own choice to take part.

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>>55186645
Simple, They debuted during an awkward time, towards the end of COVID, but before the massive company wide incline that came with Holofest 2022. Also doesn't help that Omega horribly fucked up his job

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Despite everyone's best efforts to downplay her, she just cannot stop winning

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>>55202036
>Thanks to everyone's best efforts to elevate her, she just cannot stop winning
How long will the forced success last?

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>>55198534
>>55200524
Go do your reps anon, they're white jap wannabes

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>>55186795
This generation of nijisanji EN subscribers is currently on the same tier as the abandoned nijisanji ID generation.

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>>55202076
>forced
lmao

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>>55200025
>admits 3 out of 5 were good hires
>this is pathetic
Nah, it's great, especially since people started getting fed up with the rest of EN. The only reason you'd think this is a bad batch is if you're a pleb who wants more basic thots that plague the rest of the english scene.