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IPO Anonymous Mon Jun 28 01:53:28 2021 No.5761241 [Reply] [Original]

Cover is preparing an IPO

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 01:54:30 2021 No.5761268 international pussy organization?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 01:55:48 2021 No.5761306 >>5761241 Business is boomin'

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 01:55:54 2021 No.5761310 Oh wow on the nikkei? If so they are definitely going back into Hololive CN

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 01:56:14 2021 No.5761319 >>5761241 Why? Their only notable product are vtubers and that isn't even that big yet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 01:57:22 2021 No.5761351 >>5761310 meds

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 01:57:33 2021 No.5761360 >>5761319 HoloALT

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 01:57:53 2021 No.5761366 >>5761319 And they sabotage their product whenever possible.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:00:22 2021 No.5761443 >>5761319 Vtubers that sell products like gamepass, and instant ramen yeah. It’s as much an ad agency as it is an entertainment company.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:02:00 2021 No.5761486 So the chinese could get control of the company much easier. Same old episode

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:03:50 2021 No.5761529 >>5761241 That's it, I'm buying CoverCoin on NASFAQ.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:04:04 2021 No.5761537 >>5761241 Source?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:14:41 2021 No.5761825 >>5761241 so this is how a company dies

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:16:34 2021 No.5761860 >>5761319 they made that highly popular ping pong VR

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:17:43 2021 No.5761883 >>5761241 does that mean rich old men can call on any idol now too?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:18:26 2021 No.5761900 >>5761360 >HoloAlt Unless they're gonna rehire Coco or any Hologirl in general, they better be ready to write out the girls when they graduate

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:21:58 2021 No.5761991 >>5761241 Watch it be bought by Tencent or Bytedance

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:22:58 2021 No.5762009 >>5761241 It’s actually over this time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:23:29 2021 No.5762022 The final yab..

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:26:59 2021 No.5762134 The final yeb...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:28:05 2021 No.5762164 great even tighter restrictions

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:28:55 2021 No.5762189 >>5761241 Can someone redpill me on this? I don't know the meaning of preparing an IPO for Cover

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:30:14 2021 No.5762230 Diamond hands? Moon?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:32:09 2021 No.5762273 >>5762189 Cover is going public. Bigger company, more sanitised and restrictive content wise. At least your oshi will benefit (if they don’t dump her in the transition) https://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/ipo.asp

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:33:27 2021 No.5762298 >>5761241 shitty management that drives away the #1 global earner! what an investment opportunity!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:34:24 2021 No.5762319 I remember the Coinbase IPO Worth $450 they said...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:34:29 2021 No.5762321 >changs at Tencent buy 51% of the company >streams only on Bilibili

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:34:33 2021 No.5762323 >>5761241 What actual benefits would come out of that?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:35:04 2021 No.5762336 Why do they need the money? I wish holomems weren't a part of Cover. I love them so much but I cringe at the thought of giving Cover the time of day. I prefer Anycolor at this point even if I don't like a single liver from them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:35:08 2021 No.5762337 This truly is the final yab

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:35:56 2021 No.5762352 >>5761241 >China will buy majority shares >Streaming will move to bilibili >All content must be state approved >Holo girls on call as escorts on the side You retards can’t do anything about it because your taxes made China rich

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:36:26 2021 No.5762364 >>5762336 nice blog but no one asked

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:36:31 2021 No.5762366 the next meme stock...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:37:03 2021 No.5762376 >>5761241 I'm glad I dumped this black company back when holoEN was announced

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:37:06 2021 No.5762377

>>5761241
Great, now people literally can say "but they have to appease the shareholders" when they fuck with things with their talents. Thing is Cover had VC money coming into it since years ago to get it off on the right foot - IPO is the endgame of VCs generally, this is the part where they recoup that investment. So it was gonna happen sooner or later.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:37:30 2021 No.5762385 >China will literally buy the company and repurpose it for China what the fuck are they thinking? Cover's 3D tech is shit, why do an IPO?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:38:40 2021 No.5762415 >>5761241 can you give the source already OP?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:39:16 2021 No.5762430 >Gura and the girls have to leave >Tries to come back as HER. no where near the fame or success >Goes back to the bottle oh no

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:39:53 2021 No.5762449 >>5762376 cry more bronie

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:40:08 2021 No.5762453

>>5761241
>[Accounting staff] Full flex system / Entertainment venture / IPO in preparation Cover Co., Ltd. Industry inexperienced OK Flex work Annual holiday 120 days or more Saturday No work No Sunday work No overtime allowance Full-time employee Work content ○ Required ability / experience VTuber office " At our company, which is an entertainment venture company that operates "Hololive Production", we will take care of all accounting operations). [Required] ■ Experience in accounting practice at a business company (Summary [Welcome] ■ Work experience in an IT venture ■ Work experience using Saas-based accounting services Estimated annual income 3 million yen to 5 million yen ○ Work location Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo Recommended points from recruiting agents [Conducting WEB interviews / Proactively offer with the "worrisome" button) Series B Raised 700 million yen, an entertainment company that challenges the world with content originating in Japan ■ Market size is over 2 trillion yen , You can build a career in a growing industry. Would you like to create next-generation entertainment together?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:40:08 2021 No.5762455 >>5762377 God the output will be so terrible. This truly is the end of an era. I wonder which girls will stay on anyways and which ones will just move on. >>5762385 Money and a hot product people want.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:40:28 2021 No.5762462 Would you rather have Microsoft have a majority share of Cover or Tencent?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:40:35 2021 No.5762466 >>5762376 family-friendly content + ipo = black company.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:41:16 2021 No.5762484 >>5762466 ogey bronie

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:41:48 2021 No.5762497 >>5762273 Additional restrictions such as?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:41:55 2021 No.5762502 This just means a Chinese company will buy them out and kick people out as they please.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:42:55 2021 No.5762523 File: 798 KB, 498x498, 1606449531411.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5762453 >cover salary is equiv to like 30-45k usd Welp that's not where the donation money's going, that's for sure.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:42:57 2021 No.5762524 >>5762273 >more restrictive >Cover not humanly possible.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:43:00 2021 No.5762527 >>5762455 I knew Coco leaving would mark the end of the golden age but I didn't realize it would be so obvious

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:43:31 2021 No.5762540 >>5762497 It means they're making the company public so greedy people who don't give a shit about hololive, cover or vtubers can come along and buy a piece of the company and tell them what to do

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:44:01 2021 No.5762554 >>5762524 You're about to find out just how bad it's going to get

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:45:00 2021 No.5762574 please Anycolor, buy them out and fire Yagoo

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:45:09 2021 No.5762578 What if Microsoft buys a majority share instead of China?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:45:19 2021 No.5762585 >>5761241 The final yab is real

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:45:59 2021 No.5762593 Is there an agency besides Anycolor big enough to save Cover by buying them out instead?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:46:00 2021 No.5762594 >>5762574 black company buys another black company, they go full black

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:46:02 2021 No.5762596 why do you tards think a company has to be public to be acquired

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:46:14 2021 No.5762599 >>5762578 Then we'll just get more American politics mixed in with our chuubas

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:46:17 2021 No.5762601 >>5762578 better the devil i know

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:46:45 2021 No.5762608 >>5762594 Niji allows far more "controversial" content.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:47:15 2021 No.5762617
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>>5762540
People assume it means China will literally buy out all the stock etc but really there are different classes of shareholders and such, where certain types of stock that allow you to have input in board meetings etc just aren't offered to the public and are held by the leadership etc.

So basically don't assume they'll be that dumb until we actually see the details of what they'll be putting out. Generally these things are for the notion of people assuming it's gonna appreciate quickly because it's a booming industry and they want some dividends or shorts off it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:47:57 2021 No.5762632 >>5761241 Nice, I wanted to invest since march 2020

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:48:04 2021 No.5762634 >>5762540 That's not an answer. Content restrictions such as? >>5762596 "Experts"

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:48:22 2021 No.5762639 File: 129 KB, 417x724, AA09537E-B153-43B2-B828-A40D5C448705.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Does Anykara not have an IPO? You'd think they would. Or is it just something companies with good optics like Cover do?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:48:27 2021 No.5762641 >>5762430 I think Gura's fanbase would follow her back. At least a good portion of it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:48:52 2021 No.5762650 >>5762608 like abandoning Shiba in her worst moment, yeah I agree

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:49:15 2021 No.5762661 >>5762617 So basically it's bad news, we just don't know how bad? I don't see it appreciating quickly, the boom is over

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:49:58 2021 No.5762676 >>5762650 Ah yes, abandoning Shiba by not changing the terms of her contract she didn't ask to be changed, truly a black company

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:50:18 2021 No.5762688

>>5761241
So their focus will inevitably shift towards short-term economic growth to please investors rather than long-term establishment of a customer base... when their end product is produced by streamers, a notoriously volatile profession? When one significant, MAJOR yab will likely cause a mass exodus of shareholders?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:50:22 2021 No.5762689 >>5762593 Just about every major Japanese idol agency. Publishers like Kadokawa, Kodansha and Hitosubashi can also buy them. Sony...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:50:31 2021 No.5762694 >>5762634 Sorry I was correcting the person who replied to you. Content restrictions was an assumption on his part, an unfounded one

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:50:35 2021 No.5762695 >>5762596 Not that I have any say on the matter but it would probably be better if they kept private like Valve. They have a similar growth potential in that Cover’s market almost controls all of the west.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:50:53 2021 No.5762704 >>5762676 >blaming your livers sasuga nijishill

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:51:52 2021 No.5762725 >>5762650 I don't recall Nijisanji blacklisting their top talent for 9 months, forcing her to quit out of frustration.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:52:00 2021 No.5762732 >>5762639 anykara is already owned by china so they dont need to have an ipo

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:52:02 2021 No.5762733 >>5762704 Shiba wasn't in the wrong, but contract negotiations require two people to you know - actually negotiate before things can happen

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:52:27 2021 No.5762743 >>5762689 From a business perspective Hololive isn't an idol agency They make most of their money by streaming and half of their audience is overseas

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:52:39 2021 No.5762744 >>5762524 You just not know anon....

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:52:48 2021 No.5762749 >>5762688 smilingyagoo.jpg

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:52:52 2021 No.5762750

>>5762688
Imagine if the Coco thing happened while they were public.

Hell if she's being forced out basically this is probably exactly why, they just want the china shit completely out of their hair before going public. They lose a high earner sure but the IPO would make far far more than Coco brings in. Like, Yagoo is about to become a millionaire. Probably A-chan and anyone else who has been there for a while will get options/shares.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:52:52 2021 No.5762751 >>5761241 Yagoo wants to get a bag of money and leave cause he sees the decline in real time. He's in panic mode. Mind you Cover has ZERO good tech/apps. It's just the girls, who may not be around for a long time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:52:53 2021 No.5762753 >>5762650 >shiba joins company with no salary >company does not give her freebies just because she's sick >omg black company

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:52:54 2021 No.5762754 >>5762617 >etc >etc >etc Stop typing like this

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:53:04 2021 No.5762762 >>5762732 Then why aren't they censored to death?

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:53:04 2021 No.5762763

Unless they restructure the IPO so that whoever's in charge either has the majority of shares or his class A shares are worth 10 times over regular shares, Cover runs the risk of having too many hands on how their creative contents following this IPO.
The good deal is that with more money they could improve their 3D tech/studio and pump out more concerts since that's their biggest money maker, so idol-focused chuuba like Suisei/Aqua will probably start making serious money. I don't see why they can't maintain other streaming focused chuubas since the startup capital is cheap relative to their profits.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:53:19 2021 No.5762770 >>5761310 Once they get bought out by Tencent, that is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:53:20 2021 No.5762769 >>5762596 Nobody is saying that, but IPOs handled wrongly are easy targets for takeovers, friendly or otherwise. The real question is: Are they doing this to be taken over by a third party and why?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:53:34 2021 No.5762777 >>5762694 Oh ok. Yes, your point makes sense, talents can own a part of the company.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:54:25 2021 No.5762796 How can people above the age of 20 not know what IPO means ? Don't you guys attend college and shit ?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:54:28 2021 No.5762798 >>5762189 Zhangs will buy out Cover within the next year or so.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:54:48 2021 No.5762808 >>5762725 no, they just wait and drop them if they are not profitable, the cancer shit of shiba was just the perfect excuse

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:54:51 2021 No.5762811 >>5762415 I don't think there's any real source. I searched Twitter and various Japanese news sites and there's nothing about this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:54:59 2021 No.5762815 >>5762743 >half of their audience is overseas This is a good reason to buy in. If anything, it gives them an in to a new potential market they can feed their JP talent to.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:55:01 2021 No.5762816 >>5762704 just realized he didn't mean the organ christ fuck off with this word already

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:55:03 2021 No.5762817 Softbank will back Cover. Can't be worse than Uber or WeWork or options yolo.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:55:04 2021 No.5762819

>>5761443
Microsoft is doing it wrong, they should pay Botan for a week or better every second day for at least 2 months to play random multiplayer games on the xbox. Nintendo doesn't even need to pay holo and their fans buy the online abo just for a chance to play monha or mario kart with them. The ramen sell like hot shit. Pokemon didn't get to its place because of their games. Every pikachu in a happy meal, on a strawberry milkshake or a schoolbag helps.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:55:10 2021 No.5762821 >>5762273 Wait, does this mean, they are making shares buyable? How much and how many will there be? I don’t know shit about shares but it means that whoever has a lot can basically control the company right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:55:15 2021 No.5762822 File: 862 KB, 612x719, dutch van.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5762751 They need one BIG update for their Ping Pong game on Steam and it will set them for LIFE.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:55:26 2021 No.5762828

>>5762763
>The good deal is that with more money they could improve their 3D tech/studio
Cover make 10 times the amount of money it would cost to improve their 3D tech. They just don't. Concerts barely cost anything to put on either. They don't need more money for anything, this is just greed

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:55:28 2021 No.5762829 >>5762770 can't imagine this board when it happens

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:55:43 2021 No.5762836 When simps buy stocks

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:55:43 2021 No.5762837 >>5762796 French posters not welcome

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:55:49 2021 No.5762839 >>5762694 >>5762634 You’re both retarded if you don’t understand how a company that will cater primarily to private investors and large corporations will reform it’s content. I bet you both live in the third world

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:55:51 2021 No.5762840 >>5762769 Or can't we also assume, they are doing this to expand their infrastructure and speed up development for HoloEN such as 3D? >>5762770 It's not magic. They can't be bought, if they are not willing to sell majority shares.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:55:51 2021 No.5762841 why does Cover even need an IPO when they are taking 50% of the SC money of Rushia/Coco (soon just Rushia) I mean, they are already greedy as fuck. Why an IPO?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:55:55 2021 No.5762844 >>5762750 FBK is a share holder too. That is why she isn't making good on promises, she stands to make a mint.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:56:00 2021 No.5762847 >>5762808 I bet you think Sasaki actually bullied Luna out of Nijisanji too lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:56:17 2021 No.5762853 >>5762753 good, now you know how shit they are

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:56:29 2021 No.5762857 >>5762815 Hololive aren't "idols" though, they're streamers, they do idol stuff on the side Real idol culture won't catch on in the west

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:56:53 2021 No.5762867 >>5762817 Tencent will buy it and fire every holo and do a Bilibili exclusive deal.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:56:53 2021 No.5762869 >>5762819 Is Botan turning into the poster girl for Xbox Japan?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:57:00 2021 No.5762874 >>5762817 >Softbank Literal fucking jews. That's just as bad as zhangs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:57:01 2021 No.5762875 There will legit be a bidding war over this between microsoft, tenecent, and softbank. Holo's are going to the moon, tempted to buy some stock.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:57:18 2021 No.5762886 >>5762762 cause they gave china their own dolls to play with (vr)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:57:23 2021 No.5762887 >>5762811 It’s a leak stupid of course there isn’t an official source yet. Cover will confirm in the coming days and weeks

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:57:30 2021 No.5762892 >>5762839 Oh sure. Call us retard, and not expand your assumptions. Nice dodge. Now the exit is over there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:57:35 2021 No.5762893 >Coco graduates >Cover suddenly prepares to be bought out by Chinese shareholders Totally just a coincidence, guis

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:57:40 2021 No.5762896 >>5762661 Nigga read. You night as well said nintendo is getting bought and becoming only phone focus. People thing that histile takeovers are easy but that aint the truth. Anyway i havent seen any sauce here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:58:00 2021 No.5762907 >>5762796 They don't talk about that in high school or university unless you're doing economics.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:58:06 2021 No.5762909 >>5762796 Initial public offering? As stated, the concern is that ownership of public companies can be acquired by almost anyone, and buying enough ownership allows one to influence operations

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:58:33 2021 No.5762918 >>5762896 It doesn't need to be a hostile takeover for them to ruin the company

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:58:34 2021 No.5762919 >>5762770 You will buy shares anon, right? You aren't letting this opportunity slide, right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:58:35 2021 No.5762920 File: 245 KB, 539x542, 1620916234390.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5762874 >>>>>>>>>FUCKING SOFTBANK FUCK

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:58:42 2021 No.5762923 Why the fuck would you go for an IPO now, after burning all bridges with China/investors? Are they retarded?

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:58:48 2021 No.5762925

>>5762578
Most investors are going to be Japanese, assuming they actually go through with it. This news is months old (was literally posted here) and nothing more has come of it yet so its very possible this is a nothingburger. Even so as >>5762617 pointed out its more complex than just "bad entity buys up everything and fucks everything up". Likely wont be the case. I'd wager if they do go public we wont really see much of a change as any changes would be behind the scenes stuff we dont give a shit about.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:58:53 2021 No.5762926 >>5762733 there is something call caring about your employers, but its not like a black company know about it

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:59:17 2021 No.5762933 >>5762844 Smart fox.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:59:18 2021 No.5762935 >>5762593 Giant companies can easily buy them: Google, amazon, microsoft, sony, tencent, alibaba.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:59:24 2021 No.5762937

>>5762462
Don't think Chinese companies would be interested into vtubing business seeing how restrictive China is about streaming in general. Microsoft is a better company since they actually have a legit reason to invest in Hololive. Top female JP streamers + Family friendly content + promotions + holoALT anime?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:59:25 2021 No.5762936 >>5762841 Either they know the ship is sinking or they think they can go to the moon. Depends on if there is an exodus of talent.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:59:41 2021 No.5762943 >>5762869 Please god yes fuck Sony fan boys and fuck playstation

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 02:59:49 2021 No.5762946

>>5762821
Someone who owns a majority. But that's not the real concern here. Shareholders tend to be ultra-wealthy with really diverse portfolios who are primarily attracted to growth rather than giving a fuck about any of the products they're investing in. This means that appeasing shareholders who expect to see constant growth means making changes that long-term customers don't want to see. But the company is no longer interested in appeasing that customer base, their only concern is pleasing the shareholders. Blizzard is probably the most salient example of a beloved entertainment company totally destroying their own culture in the psychotic pursuit of constant growth.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:00:01 2021 No.5762950 >>5762892 Oh you’re only pretending to be retarded for the (you)s. I forgot what board I was on for a moment

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:00:04 2021 No.5762952 >>5762887 >a leak Of for fuck sake this is E3 leaks tier of stupidity.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:00:10 2021 No.5762954 >>5762936 it's 100% panic mode, COVID is ending and streams are in decline. Cover has zero tech worth investing in, it's just stream talent. And they can leave any given day.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:00:13 2021 No.5762956 >>5762887 source of the leak?

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:00:17 2021 No.5762959

>>5762377
>Thing is Cover had VC money coming into it since years ago to get it off on the right foot - IPO is the endgame of VCs generally, this is the part where they recoup that investment.
hmm...

>>5762828
>They don't need more money for anything, this is just greed
See above. VC's want out, or rather, to cash out after their investment reached peak.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:00:31 2021 No.5762966 >>5762925 People often use IPOs to just sell the company at run Hopefully that's not the case

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:00:55 2021 No.5762969 >>5762847 I bet you think anykara was always good lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:01:00 2021 No.5762972 >>5762822 Nice reference

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:01:10 2021 No.5762973 >>5762952 See >>5762453 Seems pretty legitimate to me

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:01:10 2021 No.5762974 >>5762926 It'd make them a black company if they changed the terms of her contract she personally signed under without her permission

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:01:18 2021 No.5762978 >>5762857 >Real idol culture won't catch on in the west And that's a good thing!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:01:27 2021 No.5762979 >>5762887 Even leaks have fucking sources. The fact that there's no chatter about this "leak" anywhere else besides this thread makes this whole thing super sus.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:01:34 2021 No.5762981 >>5762954 Cover makes way more money than they spend, they have nothing to panic about

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:01:34 2021 No.5762983 >Hololive bought by China >Pekora promotes Raid Shadow Legends 365 days a year this could happen

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:01:48 2021 No.5762988 >>5762837 >>5762907 I went to a Univerisiti in Suomiland for STEM but they cover all the basics there anyway Mutt education.. >>5762909 > Inb4 softbank or au starts buying stock > Docomo joins the fun too > Phones with custom voice packs from Hololive

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:02:14 2021 No.5762992 >>5762956 >>5761241

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:02:30 2021 No.5763003 >>5762887 hahaaha ogey then show me the source of the leak insider chama

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:02:48 2021 No.5763008 >>5762969 So you admit it is good, just that it wasn't "always"? I accept your concession.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:02:50 2021 No.5763011 >>5762950 I see. You can't answer, and starts insulting. Epitome of defeat. Poor 1st worlder.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:02:51 2021 No.5763010 >>5762841 capital investment fundings most likely.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:02:59 2021 No.5763013

>>5762946
Woahwoahwoahwoahwoah, nonononono fuck FUCK, well, time to change to watching another company, wished I had the money to do something. I’m guessing this will happen, Shareholders want money, look for chinese market, cover because Chinese oriented, so yeah fuck it, I’ll do my best to become rich and maybe salvage one good company, I’m still a zoomer. Maybe in just talking delusions but hey I’m desperate. FUCK

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:03:33 2021 No.5763017 >>5762867 you wish chink

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:03:39 2021 No.5763019

>>5762840
>Or can't we also assume, they are doing this to expand their infrastructure and speed up development for HoloEN such as 3D?
Unless this means they're looking to create at least two whole studios (Indonesia, Europe, America) plus establishing logistical departments for marketing/merchandising outside of Japan. I don't see how an IPO would help them with more money than they already have.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:03:49 2021 No.5763023 >>5762979 Yeah I'm definitely keen on seeing a real source here, but it appears to be something hinted at in a Cover job application so may not be hard to dig up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:04:12 2021 No.5763031 >>5762973 Nigga stop failing for bullshit>>5762925 Shit is old.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:04:24 2021 No.5763033 >>5763013 Chinese aren't going to buy Cover because of the issues they've had

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:04:37 2021 No.5763037 >Cover shills come out of the woodwork to defend their company More proof they're going IPO. Hololive will be neutered and pozzed, just like disney Star Wars.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:04:39 2021 No.5763039

>>5762524
You're fucking delusional or outright stupid. If you think Cover is bad now, just wait until they have shareholders to answer to every single day - shareholders whose only concern is maximizing quarterly earnings and don't give an iota of a fuck about growth.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:05:09 2021 No.5763050

>>5762887
There's some mysterious news announcement on the official Holo channel in a few days, with chat and comments disabled. Could be that although I don't think they'd have some public event about it vs whatever merch or upcoming concert performances. Maybe even EN2 or announcing Gen 6 or something.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:05:43 2021 No.5763060 >>5763039 I don't see how Cover management could get worse.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:05:48 2021 No.5763062 >>5762966 Cover is in to good of a position for that to be the case, which is another reason im not really worried. This obviously isn't a desperation move. Thats why they're still only toying with the idea.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:05:58 2021 No.5763066 File: 104 KB, 1429x784, Coco's revenge.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >the AI Rrat is real

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:06:31 2021 No.5763073 >>5763050 I hope no one applies for gen 6 and japs have had enough of this shit. Cover's name is trash and the hololive brand has no appeal.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:07:12 2021 No.5763085

>>5763039
I guess the question really is "does cover make more from marketing/shilling deals or from the SCs and membership cuts" on what'll determine how things go forward. If it's about maximizing SCs then they'll go hard on more talents and going through great efforts to find more high earners. Although I think the marketing deals probably would pay more.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:07:12 2021 No.5763087 File: 597 KB, 642x380, wolf of wallstreet.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5762979 I'll pretend this thread's just NASFAQ on coke until an actual source arrives. No better than the fake translation tweet threads we've been falling for.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:07:42 2021 No.5763094 >>5763050 That is music related like last time. They made an anouncemnt for updating fanmusic guidelines and adding holomixes to official playlists. Without a source this is all rrat speculation.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:07:56 2021 No.5763100

>>5763062
People don't just sell their companies out of desperation you know, they also sell them because they want to cash out and retire
Going public would be horrible for Hololive, I hope it's just toying with the ideal like you said but I can't read the Japanese in the OP

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:07:58 2021 No.5763101

>>5762857
Anon have you seen how this board reacts to the idea of males interacting with the females, It won't catch on in the west at large but it has already for some schizos.
Even if a majority of people are just skinless idiots playing up they dramafagging, acting like an idiot makes idiots feel like they're in good company.
Also cover is pushing for them to become idols more than ever before, have you seen how limited they are compared to last year and how everythings sort of just vanilla these days.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:08:20 2021 No.5763106 >>5763031 It’s old but it’s confirmed officially and only being ignored by coping anons itt who don’t understand basic market terminology

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:08:21 2021 No.5763107

>>5763060
Right now, everyone answers to Cover. Cover management is ignorant but their goal isn't to make money in the shortest amount of time and then bail out because that's counterproductive and also it isn't as if anyone who did can just up and go anywhere else because it's unlikely they have that kind of capital. Shareholders don't give a fuck, have no concept of long-term growth, and want to squeeze as much money out of a company as possible, sell off the stock, then fuck off to a new company where they can do it all over again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:08:31 2021 No.5763110 >>5762617 >basically don't assume they'll be that dumb It's Cover...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:08:59 2021 No.5763118 >>5763060 Then you don't have much of an imagination

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:09:04 2021 No.5763120 >>5763087 COVER IS GOING TO GET BOUGHT BY BUSHIROAD AND WILL SHILL VABGUARD but yeah this is just NASFAQ with anti cover shills mixed in.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:09:05 2021 No.5763121 >>5763087 >we That's more of a you problem

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:09:09 2021 No.5763123 >>5762857 >>5762978 It basically has. Hollywood celebrity worship and drama isn't that different and Caffeine is essentially what Showroom is to idols.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:09:41 2021 No.5763137

>Cover goes public
>gets bought out by soulless corporate suits
>they change the company until all the talents are no longer happy with it
>fubuki leaves as she promised
>everyone else follows suit
>Cover loses all their money because the brand will mean fucking nothing without the talents that made it what it is
>shareholders pull out
>it sells for pennies
>Coco buys a controlling share with her savings from all that superchat money over the years and then makes it no longer publicly traded
>golden age begins

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:10:03 2021 No.5763141 >>5763137 >>fubuki leaves as she promised Imagine believing she'll actually leave.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:10:06 2021 No.5763142 >>5763106 >is old Ok >but confirmed officially Anonchama

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:10:22 2021 No.5763144 >>5763087 I will unironically buy some just to know I own my oshi even if its a little

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:10:28 2021 No.5763146

>>5763013
China would have problem trying to bring in Hololive without wumao kicking up a shitstorm over past "controversies". So unless Aqua gets invited to do a bilibili concert by bilibili or Xiping decides to follow hololive, its very unlikely for China to try paying jp vtubers. Especially when they have their own idols.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:10:49 2021 No.5763150 >>5762886 Yes that would be why if they were owned by china but their majority stockholder is sony. VR is more bilibili's project that uses niji's tech from what I understand.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:11:10 2021 No.5763158 >>5763120 You're joking, but this feels like the most realistic outcome.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:11:11 2021 No.5763157

>>5763141
If it becomes a black company, of course she will. She threw away the chinks without a second thought after the taiwan yab losing hundreds of thousands of dollars in the process, just on principal. She doesn't give a FUCK. Friend is pure power.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:11:12 2021 No.5763159 >>5763101 idol doesn't mean "you are limited to what you can say and do and you can't collab with men" idol means "woman who makes music and does promotional work"

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:11:31 2021 No.5763165 >>5763141 get a hobby

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:11:44 2021 No.5763169

>https://note.com/tanigo/n/n0d84a9f8119e
>When you start a startup company in Japan, you often aim for an IPO and subsequent growth, but if you only look at the domestic market, I think it is sometimes difficult to have hope in terms of growth potential, considering that the population will continue to decline in the future.
>The goal of going public is not something that anyone wants to do, and I think that it is difficult to secure growth potential. Personally, I think that becoming a global company is an effective way to secure growth potential.

>I grew up admiring the global challenges of SONY, Honda and Nintendo. I believe that our desire to deliver our products to people all over the world led us to challenge the world, and as a result, we were able to build our brand globally and grow. Our company name in English is COVER Corporation, inspired by Sony Corporation, and we chose the word "Corporation" to express our desire to become a global company.

100% it will be a Japanese or Chinese company.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:12:40 2021 No.5763189
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>>5762946
If real they’re better off selling majority to their talents or if not then a bank, or entertainment company. And any company that attaches themselves may impose restrictions on what they can play or how they act.

I actually am worried on the stress this will place on the VTubers. For example I can’t imagine Marine can keep doing her shenanigans because it’s not “professional”. Stock market is too serious.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:12:41 2021 No.5763190 >>5763146 Who would Xi Jinping's oshi be anyway?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:12:45 2021 No.5763193 >>5763073 if you want yo be delusional then go back to your containment thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:12:48 2021 No.5763194 >>5763123 Wtf is Caffeine?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:13:23 2021 No.5763212 >>5763193 What is so delusional? Gen 6 won't have as many applicants as earlier gens.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:13:29 2021 No.5763215 >>5763190 Suisei/Rushia.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:13:58 2021 No.5763218 >>5763189 >If real they’re better off selling majority to their talents They can't afford it

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:14:17 2021 No.5763226
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>Hologirls taking multiple vacations or absences
>One of their biggest pillars is graduation because they'd literally let zhang have final say than think it through
>4/5 of their newest branch are SJW full power lefties
>Everything is numbers game thanks to EN, and some JP girls will actually cry if they don't pull in at least 1.5k, when before sub 600 was fine because they did it for fun
>Their content went from at least an illusion of idol culture to just Vshojo but in japanese
>They can't even hire a manga writer without drama
>Now this
Thank Matsuri in heaven Niji doesn't have tribalists or they'd be laughing at Coverdrones all the way until next week

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:14:25 2021 No.5763229 >>5762974 thats even worse than being a black company

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:14:32 2021 No.5763231 Cover should do an ICO called HoloCoin.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:14:44 2021 No.5763234 >>5762273 >. At least your oshi will benefit >more sanitised and restrictive content >benefit

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:14:55 2021 No.5763236

>>5763189
>For example I can’t imagine Marine can keep doing her shenanigans because it’s not “professional”.
You'd be correct. Being a publicly-traded company means you answer to shareholders, and if they decide that Marine making those kinds of jokes or saying certain things goes against the image they want to project and is interfering with acquiring sponsorships then you best believe they'll tell her to cut that shit out. And she will, because the only other choice is leaving.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:15:31 2021 No.5763245 >>5763194 https://www.caffeine.tv/ I don't use it but Drake and other celebrities use it to stream on the side for promotions, fan interaction and stuff like idols do with Showroom

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:15:32 2021 No.5763246 is there a 5ch thread on this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:16:00 2021 No.5763255 >>5763231 What's the history on weeb-targeted crypto anyway? Or has it always just been NFTs?

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:16:51 2021 No.5763271

>>5763107
>Shareholders don't give a fuck, have no concept of long-term growth, and want to squeeze as much money out of a company as possible, sell off the stock, then fuck off to a new company where they can do it all over again.
This. The decision to create an IPO signifies a move by the owner(s) to increase owner's equity to the detriment of EVERY facet of the company.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:17:19 2021 No.5763279

>>5763169
>2019
Hard to do with chinese debacle. But nintendo is the best example of sharegolders saying they should go phine exclusively and they saying "no way fag".
Anyway doubt we will see any ipo attempt UNTIL cover gets a hold of something big in the west. Holo en is doing good but they are probably going or looking for the currey meshi or family mart like break out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:17:22 2021 No.5763280 >>5763008 ogey bootlicker

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:17:35 2021 No.5763286 Read most of this thread and I still don't get it. I even put on my glasses and I still didn't understand. What next?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:17:43 2021 No.5763288 File: 1.94 MB, 1920x1090, 1598516439735.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] VTubeDAO when?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:17:48 2021 No.5763292 >>5763107 >Pekora becomes a Skyrim shill streamer

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:18:13 2021 No.5763301 >>5763215 wtf based

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:18:35 2021 No.5763309 >>5763246 Of course fucking not because there is no sauce. Is just people doomposting right now

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:18:45 2021 No.5763313 >>5763271 Exodus soon. I wonder if holomems have enough clout to quit and just take some of their fanbase with them to 774 or re-act or just form an indie circle.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:18:53 2021 No.5763316 >>5763226 >ayame whore >menheratsuri Pottery

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:18:54 2021 No.5763315 >>5763037 asking for source is being a shill? you are too delusional little schizo

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:19:00 2021 No.5763320 Is Nijisanji public?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:19:16 2021 No.5763324 The nice thing about an IPO is their finances will have to be partially public so we can finally see where all the money goes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:19:27 2021 No.5763330 >>5763159 Yes I'm well aware but thats what japanese idol culture acts like and then the schizos who'll never be japanese go along with it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:19:37 2021 No.5763333 >>5762992 So nothing?

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:19:40 2021 No.5763335

>>5763011
>>5763011
Cover is selling off shares, which give the people buy them a percentage ownership of the company. Cover will have to appease the demands of these people because they own a percentage of the company. Are you able to to piece together how this could lead to restrictions?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:19:47 2021 No.5763339 >>5763255 well theres one by a /biz/autist called vtube that does NFTs and has a crypto donation system for vtubers

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:19:59 2021 No.5763344 >>5763212 so you see the future too? lmao

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:20:10 2021 No.5763347

>>5763279
>Holo en is doing good but they are probably going or looking for the currey meshi or family mart like break out.
You have a seriously distorted view of how valuable these things are
A single advertising deal is worth less than 5% of what HoloEN brought in in a year

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:20:13 2021 No.5763348 Yagoo wants to cash out before the bubble pops

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:20:29 2021 No.5763352 >implying current Cover management wouldn't stay the majority shareholders Stop doomposting

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:20:29 2021 No.5763353 >>5761319 That's all they'll ever have and it's peaked. Yagoo is looking to cash out before decline.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:20:49 2021 No.5763363 >>5763234 Money. She’ll be a part of a major corporation being propped up by institutional monies. Use your head please.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:20:53 2021 No.5763364 >>5763120 >getting bought by Bushiroad This is the best possible buyout scenario they could have. The other one is Kadokawa because of NicoNico.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:21:02 2021 No.5763366

>>5763137
>without the talents that made it what it is
I hate to break it to you, anonchama, but Cover is large enough that this isn't the case anymore. The Hololive brand carries enough power now that they will have no end to the supply of young hopefuls, and will be able to replace talent at a moment's notice. Furthermore, that brand power is practically magnetic - new people will continue to check out Hololive BECAUSE of how big it is.

All they will alienate is old fans, and it won't even happen immediately - they'll just gradually leave.

The only way for this to have any effect on Cover is for a simultaneous, measured loss of customers in a very short span of time, and that will never happen without some sort of organised smear campaign.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:21:11 2021 No.5763371 >>5763330 From a purely business perspective, Hololive is only an idol company on the side, they're mainly a streaming company

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:21:15 2021 No.5763373

>>5763292
>Becomes
She's a corporate cocksleeve already anon. She just does everyone the service of brushing her teeth and wiping the cum off her face before her streams.
With this, it's whoever wants to use her for the week will call well in advance and shove plenty of props and pre-written phrases down her throat and up her ass now

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:21:16 2021 No.5763374 >>5763344 No, the hololive name is ruined. Very few JP hopefuls will want to be a part of hololive. HoloEN2 barely had applicants.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:21:45 2021 No.5763380 >>5763120 I want half Bushiroad and half Cygames

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:21:57 2021 No.5763383 would you invest in Cover when their tech/apps are all shit? The company is literally worthless without the talent, who can leave on a whim like Haachama or Coco.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:21:57 2021 No.5763384 >>5763226 >Niji doesn't have tribalists kek

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:22:00 2021 No.5763385

>>5763313
They have all of the clout and all of the power if they choose to exercise it. They can sink the company overnight if enough of them decide to leave at once and reform their own group, although we don't know what kind of non-compete clauses are in their contracts.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:22:36 2021 No.5763392 >>5763316 >This is all your average holo-retard gets out of a message pointing out the massive flaws and issues in his oshis company

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:22:36 2021 No.5763394 >>5762907 They talk about it in my highschool T SEA

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:22:48 2021 No.5763396

Isn't it better for Cover anyway to go public because they need the money for their projects and vtubers? Not only they do concerts and music production but they're also branching to mangas, anime or games. Plus, there's certainly potential in the industry to grow even further because the entertainment industry had becoming more stale as of late for example seeing a concert that could pull hundreds and thousands of people through VR in your own room.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:22:49 2021 No.5763398 >>5763150 then they are already sony onaholes, there is no difference

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:22:50 2021 No.5763397 >>5763320 Ichikara manages Nijisanji. Ichikara is affiliated with Sony. Figure it out.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:23:07 2021 No.5763403
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>>5763236
Anon you saying it makes me feel like I’m being stabbed.

This system worked for Nijisanji because their talents are split in groups of twos or threes. So there’s containment. Meanwhile Hololive girls and boys can do whatever they want right now because they don’t have to be careful. I am afraid that we might have lived through an actual golden age arc and now we’re in for a darker era if this is real.

Would be nice if they ran Cover Corporation like 4chan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:23:11 2021 No.5763404 >>5763363 Use yours. It can only cause harm.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:23:55 2021 No.5763414 >>5763373 Chumbuds need to learn to wait until after they’re finished masturbating to post

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:23:56 2021 No.5763415

>>5763366
>I hate to break it to you, anonchama, but Cover is large enough that this isn't the case anymore.
It's not, anon. The talents are everything. If someone like Fubuki or Pekora or one of the other major girls left and publicly called out Cover for pulling some bullshit behind the scenes the fans would leave in droves without a second thought, no one fucking likes Cover corp, we just put up with them for our oshis sake.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:24:32 2021 No.5763426

>>5763374
>No, the hololive name is ruined. Very few JP hopefuls will want to be a part of hololive.
You don't have a single clue what you're talking about. The indie sphere is filled with new blood getting sub 100 viewers, and the Hololive name guarantees you at least a 5 figure viewership on your debut stream.

They could graduate every streamer in the company tomorrow and they would STILL have a tidal wave of applicants.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:24:34 2021 No.5763427 >>5763363 >Who cares if the content becomes sanitized and washed-out garbage for the sake of appealing to sponsors? At least they're making money! Unless that money's gonna find itself in MY pocket, I don't give a fuck.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:24:39 2021 No.5763428

>>5763347
Nigga curry meshi deal was what put cover on the map of japan for OTHER COMPANIES to notice them.
Yagoo has always said he wants that expanding hololive exposure to the west. Is not about money. Hence why a month old pic is a nothing burger. And they having a nintendo war chest if shit goes down. Yagoo wants to expand hololive name as far as he can...excpet the chinese for obvious reasons. He wants those west companies to look at hololive.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:24:41 2021 No.5763430 >>5763403 >do whatever they want now LOL

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:24:44 2021 No.5763432 >>5763404 You’re a moron

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:24:46 2021 No.5763434 >>5763374 ogey insider-kun, now take your meds

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:25:09 2021 No.5763440 >>5763396 Again, they could be taken over by a richer person and company as a new owner

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:26:00 2021 No.5763450 >>5763396 >Isn't it better for Cover anyway to go public because they need the money for their projects and vtubers? No Everything Cover does costs fuckall, they are very profitable

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:26:09 2021 No.5763452 >>5763226 >Niji doesn't have tribalists lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:26:09 2021 No.5763453 >>5763426 >They could graduate every streamer in the company tomorrow and they would STILL have a tidal wave of applicants. That fucking nobody would watch lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:26:36 2021 No.5763460 >>5763363 The Coco and Red Heart situation should tell you some of them value being an entertainer more than money.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:26:37 2021 No.5763461 >>5763440 Not if they stay the majority shareholders.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:26:51 2021 No.5763467
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This is the prelude to the final yab years from now.

The investors who don't even give a shit about anime or vtubers are likely to take control and place their demands. And like with Bethesda, Blizzard, EA etc. you one day wake up and see bean counters ruin your hobby. Hololive will still be around and popular like Blizzard, but the brand is tainted and disrespected.

Coco was right to bow out before the shit hit the air mover. In 5 years (500 years in holo time), she is gonna be sitting nicely and welcome all the ex-holos who want to leave.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:27:03 2021 No.5763470 >>5763428 >Is not about money. This is the business thread, not whatever the fuck you're talking about

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:27:17 2021 No.5763475 >Microsoft buys a majority share >They get their Halo permissions back kino

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:27:44 2021 No.5763480 >>5763467 Coco didn't bow out, she was kicked out, but now it's becoming clear why. Cover needs to tread very, very fucking carefully moving forward with this.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:27:51 2021 No.5763481

>>5763415
>If someone like Fubuki or Pekora or one of the other major girls left and publicly called out Cover for pulling some bullshit behind the scenes
Yes, this would be a major yab. But it won't happen. It would mean professional suicide, even in the western world - and Japan is seriously anal about connections.

They could do it if they planned to be self-employed forever, but I don't think anyone has the courage to make that decision with the small amount of capital they have. Such an announcement would also have legal consequences from Cover, and would spawn a possibly significant anti force of rabid Hololive fans.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:27:54 2021 No.5763482 >>5763475 >still can't stream the games because Microsoft doesn't even own the rights to the fucking music

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:28:18 2021 No.5763489 >>5763385 FBK and Marine could probably cause an exodus if they wanted. Gen 4 needs almost no convincing to leave.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:28:21 2021 No.5763491 >>5763120 There are some hopeful outcome from this if it's actually real. Unless the final yab is actually happen, i'll pretend idk any of this shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:28:23 2021 No.5763492 >>5763396 need money? they already take 50% of SC revenue.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:28:26 2021 No.5763495 >>5763320 they are the most company whores you could find right now

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:28:35 2021 No.5763497 >>5763440 No they cant unless they want. Man poeple really should stop talking about ahit they dont know. The reason tencent gets away with it is because most of the shit the buy is fucking stagnany and not making money.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:28:46 2021 No.5763502 >>5763481 >and would spawn a possibly significant anti force of rabid Hololive fans. Anon the rabid fans ARE THE FANS OF THE GIRLS. They don't give a flying fuck about Yagoo and Cover Corporation if the corp fucks over the girls.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:29:01 2021 No.5763506 >>5763453 You wish that was the case. I do too. But it isn't. Never underestimate the stupidity of consumers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:29:06 2021 No.5763507 >tfw a major shareholder demands to have a 1 on 1 "private meeting" with (you)r oshi

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:29:23 2021 No.5763511 >coco announces graduation >right after cover IPO coco graduated so she can quietly buy more of covers stocks and become majority shareholder

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:29:27 2021 No.5763513 the problem with this is there are only negatives that can come from an IPO. >more money for Yagoo's wallet that's the only "plus".

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:29:46 2021 No.5763517 >>5763374 my god I knew you were delusional but you are in another level

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:30:08 2021 No.5763523 File: 1.10 MB, 883x706, 1616110319145.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5763507 oh fuck you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:30:10 2021 No.5763524 >>5763506 >Never underestimate the stupidity of consumers. This. Hell, the stupidity of consumers is part of exactly WHY going public is a shit idea.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:30:27 2021 No.5763530 >>5763506 Hololive's brand is built on goodwill. If they lost significant talent it would seriously damage their reputation, and their views

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:30:29 2021 No.5763532 File: 19 KB, 500x303, 1616446402426.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Activision-Cover

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:30:32 2021 No.5763533 >>5763502 >Anon the rabid fans ARE THE FANS OF THE GIRLS. They aren't. You're seriously underestimating how fractured every fandom is. There ARE people who will choose to trust in the Hololive brand over anything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:30:32 2021 No.5763534 >>5763495 And yet face 0 of the problems Hololive encounters. Is Yagoo really that incompetent?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:30:41 2021 No.5763536 Pls rich anons, buy Cover and fix this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:30:45 2021 No.5763538 >>5763432 You're a blind fucking retard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:31:07 2021 No.5763543 Hiroyuki if you're reading this please buy out Cover

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:31:07 2021 No.5763544

>>5763470
is about matket share not short term return like Sc, membership and all regular cash flows. Yagoo wants to expand globally he is doing fine enough on money as he himself said. They wont go ipo until they can get a brektrough the size of currymeshi in the west.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:31:12 2021 No.5763545

>>5763481
Just leaving in droves would speak volumes for people. They could shut up and walk out the door with a smile and enough people will be able to read between the lines. Fans care about talent. Marine could become a massive indie in months if she pulled the trigger.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:31:27 2021 No.5763550

>>5763506
Anon the reason the brand carries power is because each new addition to hololive is joining the existing family of talents. It's like "oh cool we get to meet this new girl and see how she interacts with her senpais who I am already invested in and see new relationships grow".

If Cover graduated everyone they have they lose every single last shred of good faith and support from the fans. They would be over immediately. No one would care about the new girls joining without the existing family for them to join. All the clip channels would fucking lambast Cover and move on to following the indie accounts of the talents.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:31:31 2021 No.5763551 >>5763383 yes

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:31:38 2021 No.5763552 File: 156 KB, 425x500, 1624763828507.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5763507 stop

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:31:39 2021 No.5763553 >>5763507 >He thinks this doesn't happen already "Het its ya boy mori, calling from a hotel checkout in the morning, happy birtday gura!"" My only question is, which girl is the biggest cocksleeve

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:32:14 2021 No.5763565 >>5763534 You are either a retarded newfag or just a falseflagger and not even a good one at that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:32:14 2021 No.5763566 >>5761241 Hololive_ES. Now Cover can legally accept illegal money from the cartel

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:32:18 2021 No.5763567 >>5763507 Cuck

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:32:23 2021 No.5763568 >>5763543 >the holo-anti who openly supported the harassment of Botan, Polka, and Lamy for their joke about jannies should buy out Cover

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:32:28 2021 No.5763571 >>5763533 No there aren't lmao. I'm pretty sure you're a fucking tourist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:32:32 2021 No.5763573 >>5763440 thats not how it works anonchama

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:32:34 2021 No.5763574 >Sorry Pekora, we're going to need you to stop playing Minecraft and shill this slots game instead.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:32:54 2021 No.5763580 >>5763553 t. deadbeat

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:33:19 2021 No.5763587 >>5763565 go away gosling, we don't need any more starry eyed ass kissers for Cover tonight

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:33:30 2021 No.5763590 >>5763415 If Pekora leaves and calls Hololive out she will get a lot of hate for a looooong time because that would mean she is only speaking up when she has nothing to lose and sticks with it as long as she profits from it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:33:35 2021 No.5763591 Cover will announce a Bilibili deal after Coco graduates, screenshot this post.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:33:47 2021 No.5763593 >>5763574 But hey, at least she will get more money! Our bunny will be able to buy 1 gorillion carrots.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:33:51 2021 No.5763596 So no source and just a bunch of retards doomposting?

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:34:05 2021 No.5763600

>>5763530
>Hololive's brand is built on goodwill.
Hololive's brand WAS built on goodwill. As I stated before, the only way for a loss of audience to affect Cover would be for it to be a massive, immediate loss.
Even if they started graduating talent left and right, people would STILL trust in Cover.

People STILL trust in Cover even after Coco was obviously forced out.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:34:10 2021 No.5763602

>>5763544
currymeshi wasn't a "breakthrough" and didn't change anything for the company. It didn't open up new streams of revenue for them. You have this imaginary idea of company prestige which is somehow attained through advertising deals that doesn't line up with reality. Cover is built on vtubers streaming, advertsing is just a way to captialize on their existing popularity, it doesn't make them more popular

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:34:18 2021 No.5763607 >>5763426 Gen 5 got 6k applicants. They will not be able to get even a 1/10th as much now if they announced a gen 6.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:34:36 2021 No.5763616 >>5763571 ogey

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:34:38 2021 No.5763618 >>5763574 >"h-hai, goshujin-sama peko", as she puts her clothes back on before remembering this was just the first "business meeting" of the night

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:34:40 2021 No.5763619 File: 69 KB, 652x863, 089401032blazer.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5761241 expect political agendas now Marvel woke company, vtubers version

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:34:53 2021 No.5763621 does this mean cover is full chinese now? tencent owns them?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:35:18 2021 No.5763627 >>5763591 Nobody needs to screenshot it, dude, it wouldn't be that surprising.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:35:58 2021 No.5763636 >>5763534 then you know shit about them or maybe you are just another nijshill bootlicking they ass like always

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:36:10 2021 No.5763640 >>5763621 do you know what a fucking IPO is?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:36:12 2021 No.5763642 No one calls out the op as a phoneposter, nuke the board already meidos.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:36:14 2021 No.5763644 >>5763619 Amogus

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:36:15 2021 No.5763645 >>5763587 >go away gosling, we don't need any more starry eyed ass kissers for Cover tonight go away gosling, we don't need any more starry eyed ass kissers for Cover tonight

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:36:26 2021 No.5763648

>>5763600
Coco's graduation was amicable and she honestly wasn't a very popular streamer apart from her Reddit review. If Korone or Pekora or some ENs left, it wouldn't kill the company but it would definitely decline, especially if they quit to go stream somewhere else

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:36:36 2021 No.5763652

>>5763600
>Even if they started graduating talent left and right, people would STILL trust in Cover.
You're a fucking retard, just Coco graduating alone is already massively shaking people's faith in the company, the amount of hate I've seen towards Cover has gone up like 500% since the announcement.

If even one more popular holo graduates in the next few months it'll get ugly. If it's multiple of them Cover is fucked. No one is trusting Cover right now you fucking idiot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:36:46 2021 No.5763658 >no source

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:36:51 2021 No.5763660 >>5763619 They already started dipping their toes in with the """charity""" Anime Expo is giving all of their proceeds to

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:37:04 2021 No.5763666

>>5763607
Not only is that not true, but 1/20th of that number would still be enough to fill another generation.

Public companies DO NOT care about product quality beyond what is necessary to sell the product in the first place, and believe me, there WILL be watchers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:37:10 2021 No.5763667 >>5763543 This is probably the best guy we can place our hopes in. Somebody find that newfag moot too a collab for the 2021s might need to happen.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:37:25 2021 No.5763673 Can't we just buy all the shares and prevent male collabs?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:37:36 2021 No.5763676 >>5763536 they will sell only 49% anyway

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:37:53 2021 No.5763681 >>5763543 Fuck him. I'd rather zhangs buy this shit company than that fucking guy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:38:06 2021 No.5763685 Yagoo is in panic mode, he is literally losing his #1 earner. Rushia could leave at any time too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:38:29 2021 No.5763689 >>5763648 >Coco's graduation was amicable ogey >>5763652 lol. i suggest you get off 4chan and touch grass

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:38:41 2021 No.5763693 >>5761241 Stormtag... if you're out there...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:38:41 2021 No.5763694 Just sell to Vshojo, at least they know how to retain their talent and keep a positive image year round

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:38:58 2021 No.5763699 >>5763689 Thank you for conceding.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:39:44 2021 No.5763707 >>5763673 This would imply at least 10% of you cucks have 2 pennies to rub together

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:39:46 2021 No.5763708 >>5763699 whatever helps you sleep at night. i don't see the point in arguing with someone lost in fantasy land

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:39:56 2021 No.5763709

>>5763666
Maybe watchers but skilled JP hopefuls will not throw their lot in with Cover. Watchers will decay if the talent isn't good. I don't see a hungry, talented girl going to hololive. Hololive doesn't have a good name in Japan and it is not considered easy street. Only leaches will try, no one of value.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:40:04 2021 No.5763710 >>5763591 >>5763627 >chink beggars ugh

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:40:05 2021 No.5763712 Just a reminder that Prism Project will never have an IPO and would never associate them with a scam "charity"

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:40:16 2021 No.5763716 >>5763652 Just you and redditors. But go on, keep using those whatever source you have that says increase hate by 500% and preach it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:40:58 2021 No.5763724 What if Coco made a NWO company with gen 4, Marine, and Mio? Would that gain some traction?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:41:06 2021 No.5763727 >>5763652 >No one is trusting Cover right now you fucking idiot. You are wrong. It's just 4chan, and even then it's not 100% of people. People will only start leaving when it affects them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:41:08 2021 No.5763729 >>5763596 like usual

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:41:13 2021 No.5763730 HAHAHAH, time for the sinking ship to finally announce that it's sinking.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:41:49 2021 No.5763734 >>5761241 Buy buy buy! Stocks, contracts, auction market.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:42:19 2021 No.5763741

>>5763708
Anon that's you. Show me a single person on this board who would continue to support Cover if a bunch of the talents graduated, instead of following their oshi to her new incarnation. No one gives a single flying fuck about the hololive brand outside of the people that make it. All of the talents that started out in hololive are still in it today, that's why it's powerful. It hasn't rotated anyone out yet. Apart from Aloe who streamed twice ever, Coco is the first real graduation and it's already causing huge loss of faith. If a bunch of the girls start going, it's over for Cover.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:42:22 2021 No.5763744 >>5763709 I see you keep being delusional as always

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:42:44 2021 No.5763747 >>5763596 This is fun

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:42:56 2021 No.5763752

>>5763602
The curry meshi thing comes for tanigo himself and how it open some door yada yada.
You are right that talent is the most important. They send tje cn branch to hell for it. BUT is also cover sponsorships and deals that let the girls expand on other mediums. Radio, manga, conventions, tv ads,concerts, etc. these deals make the girls easier to spot for other big companies. Those permissions dont come out of nothing most of the time they needed to sponsor lots of shit before getting them. Yagoo wants the girls to get popular in both with compnies and users. Is a 2way road.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:43:19 2021 No.5763755 I mean this was bound to happen sooner or later, then we are going to have tik tubers, facetubers, instatubers and then it's going to die slowly and the next trend is going to come, such is life

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:43:33 2021 No.5763758 >>5763727 Women of integrity like Marine and FBK will leave. That is the sign. You're a fool if you don't think that the end will be an implosion. By 2022 Cover will be mostly grifters and Aqua.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:43:39 2021 No.5763760 >>5763694 trannies are so delusional

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:44:40 2021 No.5763772 >>5763712 thats cause no one cares about failures anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:44:44 2021 No.5763773 >>5762578 They will post Miko's info in public so SJW can cancel her for saying nigga.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:44:55 2021 No.5763775 I remember some supposed crypto millionaire anon talked about buying shares of Cover after Coco graduation announcement to save company from management incompetecy or something similar. Where is he now?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:45:27 2021 No.5763780 So this whole thread is a bunch of rrats based on an old pic that neverlet to anything.or has a sauce at all?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:45:30 2021 No.5763782 >>5763744 What is delusional about it? Talented, ambitious girls aren't chomping at the bits building a good portfolio while dreaming of the day they get into hololive. A gen 6 announcement will be with a dull thud and echos more than a riot.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:46:26 2021 No.5763787

>>5763752
They haven't had any other significant advertising deals since curry meshi. Not that I'm saying they won't, I'm just saying it didn't really expand anything. This is an outdated way of thinking based on the idol industry. They aren't idols, they're streamers. Kizuna Ai tried the megashill approach, and it killed her channel, along with other things

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:47:10 2021 No.5763789

>>5763709
>skilled JP hopefuls will not throw their lot in with Cover. Watchers will decay if the talent isn't good.
It doesn't need to be good, though. It needs to be good enough. First rule you learn working in marketing - people are STUPID and they will eat whatever shit you pedal as long as it makes them feel good.

The streamers just need to be good enough to entertain people, and brand power will do the rest.

>>5763741
>Show me a single person on this board
Please step outside and realize that 4chan is an unbelievably small part of Cover's consumer base which expands massively every day.
It doesn't matter if this entire board simultaneously dropped Cover like a stone, it would mean nothing to them.

>>5763758
You're a fool if you think old blood would abandon their oshis because Fubuki or Marine leave.
The company could be graduating all their talent left and right, but as long as Korone is still in the company, Koronesukis will continue to watch and donate to her.

Also, new blood - which will by now be the majority of Cover's audience - don't have any mental or emotional connection to the pillars of Hololive, and they will not care. Probably won't even know.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:47:50 2021 No.5763799

>>5763758
That's all it would take really, two major pillars. The rest will follow suit like dominos after that. Gura would be easily swayed into leaving if the senpai she looks up to that got her into hololive in the first place take off, she already made her friends, she already made her name, she doesn't need the company if it starts falling apart, and if she goes that's fucking it, game over Yagoo.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:48:07 2021 No.5763803

>>5763773
Who else would be sacrificed?
>Ame for her other life rants in games
>Gura for not bending the knee to lefty mindset and also being loosely affiliated to here
>Moona and Risu for being Haram
>Towa for the .5 second male's voice
>Ina for being a korean

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:48:10 2021 No.5763804 >>5761241 Where is this from anyway? i checked their website but nothing look similar to it

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:49:01 2021 No.5763812

>>5763789
>Please step outside and realize that 4chan is an unbelievably small part of Cover's consumer base which expands massively every day.
It's not, lol. The posters here are a tiny tip of the iceberg of lurkers. The actual traffic to 4chan is massive, and it's not like the other parts of the internet feel any differently. If their oshis graduated, they're done with Cover. People only care about the girls, the company has never done shit to make anyone trust it on its own merits.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:49:31 2021 No.5763819 >>5761351 What do you think? Cover is planning to be publicly traded. Anyone can buy their stock now

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:49:33 2021 No.5763820 >>5763782 must be fun talking shit and dont caring about being wrong at all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:49:47 2021 No.5763824 >>5763803 Mori for saying nigga and faggot in the past, and for appropriating black AND Japanese culture.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:50:05 2021 No.5763828 >>5763775 He doesn't know about IPO yet. He will buy Cover shares when they officially announce IPO.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:50:25 2021 No.5763834

>>5763789
>The company could be graduating all their talent left and right, but as long as Korone is still in the company
The problem is you're stupid enough to think that Korone would stay if other talents are being "graduated left and right". That goes for most of the girls really.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:50:28 2021 No.5763835 >>5763819 China won't buy it, Hololive is not liked by the Chinese people

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:50:58 2021 No.5763844 >>5763812 We're at an impasse here that won't yield any productive discussion without the inclusion of empirical evidence, which neither of us have We'll have to agree to disagree

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:51:14 2021 No.5763849 >>5763819 yeah I know you believe every random screenshot from vt but you dont have to be so proud about it

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:51:30 2021 No.5763853 >>5763758 >Woman of Integrity >Fubuki Didn't the fox resent Cover and Coco when the doors to China (more than half of her fans and akasupas) get closed thanks to the Tibet thing?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:51:37 2021 No.5763856 >>5763834 That's cute wishful thinking you have there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:51:56 2021 No.5763864 Coco is the smartest person in the world if she saw this coming

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:52:29 2021 No.5763871

>>5763787
They got plenty if family mart, redbull and lots and lots of game ones after i would say they become far more common after. The point is that yagoo goal is that eanting to bring that idol like industry to the globe. And if he ever goes ipo it would be until he has reached that global like succes similar to what they have in japan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:52:33 2021 No.5763873 >>5763849 Why would anyone bother to fake it If they were going to make some fake bad news they'd probably do something dumber than an IPO, most people here don't even know what that means

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:52:58 2021 No.5763882 crowdfund money to buy Cover and fire Yagoo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:53:30 2021 No.5763895 >>5763835 do you actually believe that? If a Chink company wants to buy them, Cover has no choice but to listen to Chink demands

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:53:31 2021 No.5763894 >>5763853 Dunno where the fuck you're hearing that but I suggest you look up what Fubuki did when her official Bilibili channel was held hostage by the fans who were (for some reason) running it

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:54:10 2021 No.5763906 >>5763780 When you put it that way it sounds like almost every other drama thread on this board.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:54:27 2021 No.5763908

>>5763856
It's not even wishful thinking at all, Cover's management is notoriously fucking terrible, the entire brand is only held together because all of the talents are still in place together. No one has enough of a reason to leave yet. But one single graduation is already creating cracks in the facade. If they were graduating "left and right" fucking everyone would just leave and take all the fans with them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:54:28 2021 No.5763909 >>5763856 Korone considered leaving before, she can do it again. If the girls love the money and attention tons will follow them into another reincarnation. Maybe the autistic onion or the no show oni will stay that doesn't mean everyone will.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:54:50 2021 No.5763920 >>5763882 Despite it being the easy copout, the issue of Cover lies in its middle management and their HR. Replacing yagoo without culling the center mass will just make you want to fire his successor later on

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:54:58 2021 No.5763923 >>5763864 She obviously saw it coming with how much more strict management was getting. She stated in a members-only stream that ultimately her departure was due to creative differences.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:55:28 2021 No.5763929 >>5763873 anonchama really, seek help

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:56:43 2021 No.5763948 >>5763873 Spreading rumors, atention, (you)s. Diffamity. Pick your poison is like thise guys that daid cover will return to the chinese market.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:56:55 2021 No.5763951

>>5763724
No, look at the numbers. Korone, Luna, Polka. Korone is at 1M now but Mio was the ranking leader of Gamers for 8 months. It took Korone a year, a pandamic and insane streaming hours to beat Mio. People aren't that forgiving if you flip them off and just disappear the next day to never go online again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:57:09 2021 No.5763957 >>5763864 I really hope Coco starts a company and poaches some talent.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:57:22 2021 No.5763966 >>5763648 >and she honestly wasn't a very popular streamer >top SC earner of ALL fucking Youtube listing here nigga

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:57:22 2021 No.5763967 >>5763923 This is another retarded delusion from cocofags trying to put her in pedestal, just like that time when they think she intentionally say taiwan to take the fall for chammers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:57:38 2021 No.5763977 >>5762869 she already is the poster girl for PC gaming, an arcane concept for many japanese households clinging to their shitty playstation game-machine.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:58:07 2021 No.5763988

>>5763871
They got game sponsorships before and after. That didn't change. Red Bull obviously has nothing to do with it, they aren't a Japanese company. If by "bring an idol like industry to the globe" you mean using the Holos to advertise products, that shit only works in East Asia. Hololive is a streaming company that does idol stuff on the side. That's what works for them. The concerts will do well globally but Westerners won't buy into the hyper-captialist idol as an advertising mascot thing

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:58:28 2021 No.5763995

>>5763908
>But one single graduation is already creating cracks in the facade.
You're all continuing to support Hololive. It doesn't matter how many "cracks in the facade" a graduation produces if there is no tangible response.

The "graduating left and right" thing was an example to illustrate fanbase loyalty, by the way. Of course it probably won't happen... unless there's an internal revolt or something.
This is even worse, by the way, because no major yab means no major response from Cover's consumer base.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:58:32 2021 No.5763999 >>5763741 >who would continue to support Cover It can't really be helped if you like one of their talents still

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:58:52 2021 No.5764005 >>5761241 Thank god, Coco got out before it got worse

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:59:18 2021 No.5764014 >>5763966 she was a popular simp magnet, her actual streams sucked

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:59:40 2021 No.5764019

>>5763995
>You're all continuing to support Hololive
No, I'm continuing to watch my oshi. If my oshi leaves I leave. If a bunch of my oshis friends get graduated and she gets sad she'll probably leave. It's like a house of cards. All the cards are holding each other up leaning against each other. You remove one too many and it will all implode overnight.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:59:43 2021 No.5764020 >>5763967 Cocofags think she innocently showed channel stats without a clue that it would turn into something bad. Only retarded zhangs try to say Coco did it intentionally for any reason.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:59:44 2021 No.5764023

>>5763039
>>5763060
prepare for even more adshit nobody wants to watch. more holos rattling off their neatly crafted playbooks. more staged streams. less SOUL like Minecraft Usaken Festival. Maybe even the Idol dream dies now that they need to shill shit like insurances and chink electronics.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 03:59:45 2021 No.5764022 >>5763957 With what staff? Connection to artist and rigger? Tech? You think its that easy?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:00:20 2021 No.5764035 >>5763999 This attitude right here is precisely the reason why the consumership has virtually no power

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:01:03 2021 No.5764048 >>5762821 >>5762946 to be fair, the chinks already got in BEFORE the public offerings, it'll just be even more chinks. Maybe even one of the spambotters with a ton of cash and a vengeance.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:01:15 2021 No.5764051 >>5763707 I own XRP and am a god in the making. tell me the amount needed in fiat and I will make it happen

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:01:20 2021 No.5764053 >>5764014 you are entitled to your opinion, but be self aware enough to understand that you are a minority in that opinion side

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:01:21 2021 No.5764054

>>5764022
Anon there are plenty of indies who have better connections to artists and riggers than Hololive can apparently manage to get for most of their talents, you think Coco Motherfucking Kiryu wouldn't be able to instantly set up those connections if she started asking around, the number one superchat earner of all time?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:01:25 2021 No.5764056 >>5763988 Redbull has a japanese branch. >Westerns wont buy into capitalist Now you arr overstimating the wester anime.fan consuner. Geejack last year best selling product was ames pillow.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:01:54 2021 No.5764066 If only Coco was as invested and immersive all the time, like she was during June, she would be no questions asked-the absolute authority in Covers inner workings

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:02:14 2021 No.5764072 >>5762336 >why do greg need money >so other greg can't have money and I can laugh at other greg with my stone collection look around you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:02:20 2021 No.5764076 >>5764022 Rigging and models cost $5k at the most. >Tech? Tons of OSS. >You think its that easy? All these EN startups have initial investments of $50k. You don't think Coco and Kanata could come up with $50k?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:02:57 2021 No.5764096 File: 305 KB, 673x547, 1624867377105.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Imagine seeing your oshi on Zoom during a shareholder meeting

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:03:13 2021 No.5764103 >>5764054 She is a fucking gaijin you retard, unless you know more about nips culture then shut the fuck up.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:03:24 2021 No.5764108

>>5764019
>No, I'm continuing to watch my oshi. If my oshi leaves I leave.
This attitude is why Cover continues to succeed despite their laundry list of fuck-ups.
> If a bunch of my oshis friends get graduated and she gets sad she'll probably leave.
They will not leave while this career is so lucrative, and they will NEVER leave based solely on principle.
>You remove one too many and it will all implode overnight.
Almost. You would be correct in a business setting if you said "you remove one too many all at once."

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:04:07 2021 No.5764120 >>5764103 >nip culture mattering at all in this discussion Holy fucking delusion. Have you heard of the internet, nigger? It's global. You can just DM anyone anywhere in the world on twitter. You're so fucking dumb.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:04:45 2021 No.5764130 >>5764103 Are you retarded? Tons of gaijin commission jap artists and riggers all the time. How are you this out of touch? The barrier of entry into vtubing is extremely low.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:04:54 2021 No.5764132 >>5762617 >don't assume they'll be dumb >COVER fucking corp. ...

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:05:05 2021 No.5764134

>>5764076
>Rigging and models cost $5k at the most.
Double that, and many artists refuse to work on an individual basis because individuals are statistically unlikely to offer them the brand recognition that is equally if not more valuable than the monetary compensation

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:05:08 2021 No.5764136 >>5764108 >They will not leave while this career is so lucrative They can make more money without Cover retard. All of their fans will follow. >and they will NEVER leave based solely on principle. Tell that to FBK.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:05:26 2021 No.5764143 >>5764051 I will pinch in, too, but I'm sad they waited so long to consider going public. I could've made a pretty penny early on..

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:05:39 2021 No.5764145 >>5764103 You're an idiot. Money greases the palms of even the most hateful hypocrites.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:06:13 2021 No.5764157 >>5761241 I hope the talents have stock options as part of their pay so they can cash out before this all burns to the ground.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:06:30 2021 No.5764160 >>5764134 >and many artists refuse to work on an individual basis It's not individual if it's for a startup by one of the most famous and successful vtubers in the world, retard.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:06:35 2021 No.5764164

>>5764056
Red Bull's sponsorship is essentially a gaming sponsorship. They have the same deals with other Twitch streamers. They sponsored Botan and Aqua to do it, two gamer Holos. Calling that an idol sponsorship is a real stretch
Western anime fans don't get into idol culture either. No westerner will ever get into that culture where they're rooting for their favourite girl to get another corporate sponsorship shilling something they have no interest in. Only the Japanese and maybe Koreans are that subservient. I can see the good parts of idol culture like concerts catching on in the West but not that

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:07:10 2021 No.5764176 >>5763920 A poorly steered ship is the captain's fault.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:07:14 2021 No.5764178 >>5764134 Okay, you don't think Coco, Marine etc. could come up with $10k? Tons of the artist you see are fucking cheap, Gura's mama can be had for a few thousand dollars. Why do you think it is so hard where they are more than 15k vtubers?

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:07:42 2021 No.5764188

>>5764134
>many artists refuse to work on an individual basis because individuals are statistically unlikely to offer them the brand recognition that is equally if not more valuable than the monetary compensation
Complete and absolute headcanon, take your meds and stop spreading misinformation
Imagine thinking "we'll pay you in exposure" is MORE important for a freelancer than a decent paycheck

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:08:05 2021 No.5764195

>>5764136
>Tell that to FBK.
She hasn't left yet. She might not recognize the signs. She might have shares in the company herself.
>They can make more money without Cover retard. All of their fans will follow.
This I choose to believe, but we don't have an example yet to base this assumption on.
Coco will be the first to leave the company with all the recognition that brand power offers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:08:12 2021 No.5764198 File: 291 KB, 534x300, 1617483349121.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5764022 Sodapoppin did this by himself, Coco could do even better.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:08:40 2021 No.5764207 >>5764178 Lol this. I get the feeling this guy doesn't even watch vtubers and just wants to be a contrarian. There are endless indies paying out of pocket for better models and rigging than most holos have, it's clearly not that fucking expensive.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:08:45 2021 No.5764210 >>5763320 no >>5763397 ichikara has funding from sony just like cover has funding from other companies >>5763495 that has nothing to do with whether a company is public or not

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:08:52 2021 No.5764215 >>5763571 Yagoo is the best girl

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:08:58 2021 No.5764218 >>5764188 >Imagine thinking "we'll pay you in exposure" is MORE important for a freelancer than a decent paycheck lol they want both you fool

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:09:09 2021 No.5764220 >>5764134 >Double that Ask anyone in /asp/ and they can tell you that $5k is near the top of the line. Also the girls own thier own streaming equipment save for one iphone.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:09:11 2021 No.5764221 >>5761241 Just a screenshot with no source seems legit

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:10:15 2021 No.5764243 File: 10 KB, 631x104, vt_virtual_youtubers.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] One of these days this won't be true.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:10:20 2021 No.5764244 >>5763144 >become lamy threads now "own lamy" threads I'm sold.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:10:27 2021 No.5764247 >>5764218 They don't give a shit about exposure. They give a shit about being paid. If you pay good money they'll do good work

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:10:40 2021 No.5764254 >>5764176 Lest it be steered by a mutineering crew

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:11:32 2021 No.5764274 >>5764178 I'll give you this one - I shouldn't have chimed in on a reply chain I wasn't following

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:11:47 2021 No.5764282 >>5764218 So being the new face of one of the most successful vtubers of all time is not exposure?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:12:03 2021 No.5764287 >>5764247 >They don't give a shit about exposure. lol ogey

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:12:55 2021 No.5764296 >>5764282 This is reasonable. Coco could probably get away with asking whomever she wanted

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:13:13 2021 No.5764303 >>5764134 >many artists refuse to work on an individual basis where do indies get their art then

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:13:24 2021 No.5764305 >>5763600 Yagoo meme in Reddit is dying and it is not good sign for Cover

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:13:33 2021 No.5764308 >>5764287 I've worked as and with freelance artists for many years. NOBODY has ever turned down a job because the exposure wasn't good enough. It's about the money. Exposure is a nice bonus, rarely does it ever factor into what jobs you decide to take

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:14:23 2021 No.5764323 >>5764303 Bad artists. Good artists have the freedom of choice. If they don't want to work with Coco then Coco can't do anything.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:15:01 2021 No.5764334

>>5764198
As indie? sure, but the premise is her starting a company and poaching talents from cover, which means declaring war with previous employer and that's kinda bad in nip culture. Many holos affliated artist won't touch her and many artists probably afraid of chink menace who probably will harass them by association.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:15:17 2021 No.5764338 >Coco graduates >Cover goes public >Coco buys majority ownership It'd be pretty funny

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:15:24 2021 No.5764339 >>5764308 So are you saying no one says no to a steak just because there isn't gravy on top? That sounds like every other industry in the world.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:17:04 2021 No.5764373

>>5763385
>>5763489
big problem would be their models and NDAs about their past lives. they'd need a channel to flock to as a base at least. would be funny to see coco suddenly opening up an agency and we hear familiar voices coming in, some go to Noripro etc.
I already smell the Buzzfeed article about female CEOs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:17:07 2021 No.5764374 >>5764323 This. Good, established names have more work requests than they have the time or ability to fill.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:17:20 2021 No.5764376 >>5762817 >Softbank Lmao du yu rele?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:17:40 2021 No.5764383 >>5764339 Yes

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:17:40 2021 No.5764384 >>5764334 Holo affiliated artists are a drop in the bucket of the good artists out there. The pool of riggers and artists is way wider than you think and the amount of people looking for a commission is massive.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:18:44 2021 No.5764403 >>5764338 I would love for that to happen but we don't know if 100% of the company is being offered or if Yagoo is retaining a majority portion of shares Also majority ownership would cost millions

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:19:29 2021 No.5764417 >>5764384 Cool but are they willing to risk the chink menace?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:20:40 2021 No.5764436 >>5764384 These idiots think vtuber models cost 50k, take 6 months to produce, and there's only 12 people in the world who can do it, who all live on Mount Olympus and will not even talk to you unless you know their secret handshake

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:20:53 2021 No.5764440

>>5764373
>big problem would be their models
3D models are a bigger investment but if the venture works out they can make the investment. Getting 2D models would be peanuts.
>NDAs about their past lives.
Their whales would know right away. A huge chunk of their supas will be back soon.

>>5764417
All it takes is one to say yes per girl.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:21:00 2021 No.5764444 >Tatsunokos crowdfund >Fire Yagoo >Coco comes back as CEO best scenario

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:21:03 2021 No.5764446

>>5762497
>”Thanks for coming in, there’s something the board wanted to pass down to you. It’s come to their attention that a lot of your aesthetic, your “room”, the emotes all that kind of stuff has all of these, these.. weapons everywhere.”

>Oh like all the guns and-

>”Yes those. And we would prefer if you didn’t use the “G” word here in the office. As you may know, the recent Green Lake Park High tragedy has put the spotlight on all these assault rifles and things you have. The shareholders have expressed concern regarding having all of this offensive imagery in around you all the time.”

>Well I play a lot of FPS, it’s kind of my thing, so-

>”Yeah, we wanted to talk to you about that too. You see, the largest growing demographic in the platform is ages 0-7, and with you streaming so many mature games, we’ve been thinking that it would be better for your growth if you were to stream more ‘friendly’ games. Minecraft is always a big one, oh and that Fall Bros game you guys used to play, why not do more stuff like that?”

>That game is dead. And we just put on that huge festival, like 8 of my last 10 streams have been Minecraft!

>”Well it sounds like me to me like you’ve still got a couple more open slots to fill then. We’ve already hired a new artist to make a new “room” and outfit for you. It’s all very chill and cutesy, I’m sure people will love it!”

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:22:02 2021 No.5764466 >>5764440 a 3D model is only slightly more expensive than a 2D one

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:22:33 2021 No.5764478 >>5764338 Coco alone doesn't have the capital for that. If 12 of the most affluent Holos bought shares they'd maybe have serious influence on Covers decision.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:23:18 2021 No.5764492 >>5764446 This is the very endgame, when nobody is irreplaceable. This is what awaits at the end of the slippery slope.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:24:11 2021 No.5764507 >>5764466 I thought it took more time and the equipment was a touch pricier. Girls own all their expensive streaming equipment since they paid out of pocket but I though the company owned the 3D equipment. Renting a studio isn't much but owning one is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:24:35 2021 No.5764513 >>5764492 >when nobody is irreplaceable looks at Coco so, now?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:24:57 2021 No.5764518 >>5764478 Why bother buying shares then? if they really have an issue with covers decision then top 12 talents banding together and threaten to quits is enough.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:26:13 2021 No.5764536

>>5764507
The girls "expensive streaming equipment" is a PC and a phone. The 3D motion capture stuff is consumer grade equipment you can purchase (I think it's Oculus or Vive) and use in your living room. Many indies do this. Everything about vtubing is fairly accessable

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:26:29 2021 No.5764542 >>5764513 That's what I'm afraid of. I'm no longer supporting Cover. If my oshi starts up an option to donate on her roommate channel, I'll use that, but otherwise I can't in good conscience give her any more money.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:26:36 2021 No.5764543

>>5764164
>no westerner will ever get into that culture where they're rooting for their favourite girl to get another corporate sponsorship shilling something they have no interest in.

Hmm? Like all things, sponsored games can be good and bad. But even when they seem boring, they aren't offensively bad, so I'm not really bothered. In fact, I am happy that the girls get noticed by different companies, which helps make them more popular and exposed to new fanbases.

>you mean using the Holos to advertise products, that shit only works in East Asia
In terms of effectiveness, I learned about PSO2 NGS and Scarlet Nexus release and BanG Dream from the girls being sponsored to play them. I'd say those devs are smart and they got the exposure they paid for.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:27:57 2021 No.5764561 >>5764198 (You) have to be kidding he had an Illustrator and Modeller, Sodapopin has 3M followers with many connections to Blizzard and the E-Sports scene for almost a decade. Kson will degrade to a SEAnigger with some saviour fags.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:28:26 2021 No.5764573 >>5764518 Coporation thing anon.... pls understand

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:28:51 2021 No.5764581 >>5764492 >when nobody is irreplaceable Just Kizuna Ai what happened. This myth about replaceable talent was shattered in the biggest fall from grace in vtuber history.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:28:53 2021 No.5764582

>>5764518
>if they really have an issue with covers decision then top 12 talents banding together and threaten to quits is enough.
Yes it is - see the nijisanji resistance as an example - but the problem, like most things in life, is organising that in the first place

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:29:36 2021 No.5764599

>>5764543
The idol industry in Japan is about girls who are advertising mascots and fans who support their favourite idol and want them to be a better advertising mascot. All the idols do is put out bad music and advertise things. That shit will never catch on in the West. Hololive girls stream, which is why they did catch on in the West. They do advertising on the side, people don't come for the advertising

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:30:37 2021 No.5764615 >>5764561 Explain to me why you need connections to Blizzard and the eSports scene to get someone to draw and animate a vtuber model?

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:31:35 2021 No.5764634

>>5764518

Name recognition, no split in the company, a more permanent solution and legally guaranteed control of the company.
I can think of plenty of reasons to buy shares as a talent.
Is it the best possible solution? Probably not, but what do we know of what's going on behind the scenes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:31:50 2021 No.5764639 >>5764615 Because he is a bug or is just backtracking hard because he didn't realize how retarded his first take was and is doubling down because he's "trolling" now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:32:01 2021 No.5764641 >>5764542 based

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:33:30 2021 No.5764666 >>5764561 >(You) have to be kidding he had an Illustrator and Modeller So did the other 15k vtubers. Why can't you get it into your head that it is easy to be a vtuber?

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:36:27 2021 No.5764717

>>5763428
>hololive looking for sponsors in the west
RATE OUTCOMES I'LL START
GOOD
Botan/Coco - Adidas
Botan - Gazprom, Aeroflot
Suichan - (you)r countries apple juice producer
Kanatahoven / Luna - Steinway's

NEUTRAL
Mikochi/Maririn - Mickey D's

BAD
Anyone - banking companies, newspapers, jewry, crunchyroll

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:37:52 2021 No.5764742 >>5764717 Perfect Raid Shadow Legend : All

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:40:02 2021 No.5764784 >>5764717 I'd like have seen Coco get a Manscaping sponsorship... It would be funny.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:41:19 2021 No.5764809

>>5764615
You don't think 8 years in the scene will you get some contacts with Illustrators? Heck people will draw fanart of you for free, you like them back it's called networking it is not that hard. Then there are after parties at any event. You could be the fucking soundguy and still have more connections to Illustrators than Kson.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:42:54 2021 No.5764831

>>5764035
It's not really an attitude, if you like watame as an example, you just like her. You can't really stop watching her or supporting her(if you do that), because then they would fall on hard times and likely even quit the business. Why would I want that? It's like they're being held hostage by the company.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:43:15 2021 No.5764840 >>5764809 You know you don't need "connections" to get a service done for you right? We have this thing called "money" where you can pay people to do something for you even if you don't personally know them or owe them a favour

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:44:54 2021 No.5764870 >>5764784 is it's still manscaping if no man participated though? They'd have to hire me to do it to her for the sponsor segment

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:46:36 2021 No.5764899 >>5763999 You can. Find their roommate and send your supa there instead of through 20 corps wasting most of the money along the way. Even if you don't hate corps you should already be doing it just for the sake of efficiency.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:47:36 2021 No.5764917

>>5764809
So Coco has no connections, no money, and no one willing to do anything for her? You don't need anything more than an open commission. People take commissions all the time. Hololive didn't get their artists from connections, they commissioned them.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:48:23 2021 No.5764939

>>5764666
>>5764840
>>5764917
We're talking about good vtuber models from quality artist, the premise itself is the most common retarded statement that coco can make an agency while poaching holomen from cover. No one is saying its hard to be a vtubers, the issue is to get quality model(s) for this hypothetical budding company that coco is making. Beside the industry leaders like 774, anycolor, cover, activ8, the only successful jp groups are VOMs and norio pro which unsurprisingly were started by veteran artist with connections.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:49:29 2021 No.5764957 >>5763189 The thought of the talents owning Cover is actually making me erect.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:49:50 2021 No.5764961

>>5764831
Basically, because it'll be a long-term benefit for the consumership if it can actually vote with its collective wallet.

Also, we don't actually know if quitting the business will lead to hard times. Hololive offers brand association which is valuable when you start, but once you have your own established fanbase, there's little incentive to continue working under the company.
Watame could leave and begin streaming as an indie and, given how Kson's sub count doubled in a few days after the announcement of Coco's graduation, I believe Watame would be fine.
However, since Coco is the first example of this happening, we don't have a precedent to point at.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:50:26 2021 No.5764981

>>5764939
>We're talking about good vtuber models from quality artist,
Yes. Quality artists work for one thing: Money. I could go to the best vtuber artist right now, take your pick, drop them an email, say I'm willing to pay and get a response. You're a kid who doesn't understand how the real world works

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:51:46 2021 No.5765012 >>5764981 NTA but good fucking god you're simple in the head aintcha

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:53:19 2021 No.5765043

>>5764939
There are a ton of quality artist that work off of a few thousand dollar commissions. Same with riggers. It doesn't even have to be a company at the start, just a circle of indies. Just because you don't want Coco to do anything again that doesn't mean it's true.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:53:34 2021 No.5765047 >>5764981 The amount of money you would have to pay would be significantly higher, likely multiples, in order to beat out a company contract.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:53:49 2021 No.5765054 >>5765012 I work with freelance artists as part of my job and that is exactly what I do

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:54:26 2021 No.5765066

>>5764961
But they do have quite a lot to lose. They will lose their models which they definitely have grown to love, they lose the easy access to sponsorship, concert, and merchandise and they need to commission new 2d, 3d, new outfits from scratch. Quitting and going solo in not an easy decision to make, even polka stick around with upd8 until it dissolves and so is kizuna.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:54:56 2021 No.5765072 >>5765012 By recognizing that all it takes is one rigger in thousands and one artist in thousands to say yes to a pay day?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:55:08 2021 No.5765076 >>5765047 No it wouldn't, they charge exactly the same. Why would a freelancer work for cheaper for a company? It doesn't make any sense

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:56:42 2021 No.5765114 >>5765076 You can buy a Gucci suit and think you're cool, but if you really were cool, Gucci would be paying you to wear it

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:57:11 2021 No.5765126 >>5765047 So what artist has a xompany contract that binds them to not take commissions?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:58:10 2021 No.5765151 >>5765114 Freelance artists don't get paid in exposure, they get paid in money. They aren't a brand. They're labour

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:58:11 2021 No.5765152 >>5764981 No you're the retard who who doesn't understand how the real world works, try and call huke then, you think he will make a model for an uncertain agency when he is busy with his work and his commitment to kiara?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 04:59:34 2021 No.5765185 >>5764870 does tamaki count? Setting has a dick at least and they're shaving-buddies.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:00:04 2021 No.5765193

>>5765126
>>5765151

You're grasping at the wrong end of the entirely wrong stick here.

Let's say I'm a decent artist with a packed schedule and then a loser like you comes along and wants to pay the exact same sum that Hololive, who is also offering me work, wants to pay. Who do you think I'm gonna pick?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:00:07 2021 No.5765194 >>5765152 No, he doesn't work on her 24/7. You're just being silly at this point?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:00:36 2021 No.5765201 >>5764742 Ascended: RRAT:OGEY Legends: All

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:00:39 2021 No.5765203

>>5765152
>his commitment to kiara?
Do you think he spends all his time drawing stuff for Kiara? I hate to break it to you but that stuff takes a few weeks to draw at most. If I write a professionally worded email right now and say what I'm willing to pay I don't even need to say the name of my fucking company

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:01:03 2021 No.5765212 >>5765072 You want an update to your model? If he doesn't agree it will look off. Did you even read what you signed? who owns the design. You can't make a Flare/lack relationship by just throwing bills at an artist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:02:26 2021 No.5765240 >>5765193 Then you'll pick Hololive, but most freelancers don't have a packed schedule, that's why they're a fucking freelancer

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:02:29 2021 No.5765242 >>5765152 If he doesn't someone else will. Also artists will take commissions from start up all the time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:03:30 2021 No.5765262 >>5765066 They have less to lose than you think, but this is also besides the point. It would be correct to say that the streamers themselves THINK they have a lot to lose. Doubt is a very powerful variable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:03:41 2021 No.5765267 >>5765193 You pick Hololive. And you are only 1 artist in 1000s. Hololive doesn't have every artist on payroll or in a legally binding contract.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:04:04 2021 No.5765279 >>5765240 You're the one who argued you could call up any old artist and offer them money to have them falling at your feet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:04:05 2021 No.5765280 After all of this time, I still wonder if Cover is pronounced cuv-er or coh-ver

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:04:36 2021 No.5765288 >>5765185 Hmmm... nah, it still has to be me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:04:54 2021 No.5765293 >>5765240 >but most freelancers don't have a packed schedule You've hit the nail on the head - most. The cream of the crop does. Companies want the cream of the crop because the artist's name is powerful brand association in itself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:06:15 2021 No.5765309 >>5765212 Then you hire them again and you're plum fucked if they don't want to do it again. Often they will though. If they agree the first time they are likely more amicable to a second one.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:06:17 2021 No.5765310

>>5765279
How is agreeing to a mutally beneficial arrangement "falling at your feet" exactly? Retarded kids thinking they understand how the world works. If an artist is busy, then you ask them when they're free, and to reserve some time to do your work on the future
It's really quite simple

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:06:49 2021 No.5765318 >>5762954 >COVID >ending anytime before at least 3 to 5 years Anon, your meds, please.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:06:59 2021 No.5765322

>>5765203
>>5765242
Fucking hell at the very least try and follow the reply chain, the premise is coco making an agency and stealing holomen from cover, which is her previous employer, you think after that huke, nabi, or keffy will work with her? this is not just a random scenario of hiring freelance you retard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:07:27 2021 No.5765333 >>5765279 No, the argument is many artists listen to money.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:08:30 2021 No.5765359 >>5765293 The cream of the crop just charges more money. You pay them the going rate, they will work for you. You clowns think it's about prestige. It's about money

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:08:35 2021 No.5765362 >>5763066 >Ollie wins no matter what The final yab was told to us and we didn't listen...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:10:27 2021 No.5765389 >>5765333 >>5765359 And here we're going back to what I said earlier - >>5765047 >>5765310 Sorry to be the one to tell you this, but you're small time thinking you're big, anon.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:11:30 2021 No.5765412

>>5765322
How is it stealing if they would prefer to work with Coco? Huke, Nabi, and keffy don't have to. A talented artist will though. It is a scenario of a random freelance since every vtuber does it off of commission or make it themselves. You argument if that no artist will work with Coco.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:12:53 2021 No.5765423 >>5765412 >You argument if that no artist will work with Coco. whoa ESL

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:13:13 2021 No.5765434

>>5764939
>>5764022

Coco has both money and fame. If she is in need of an artist, she is by default the biggest vtuber in the world with such a need (while all the others are already happy with their own artists). Your assertion that Coco will have difficulty finding artists is an emotional assertion not based upon facts. You also doubt that Coco has good connections, as if she were a vtuber born yesterday. Are you her? How do you know this? Where did you pull this from? This seems nothing more than an emotional belief.

Vtubers don't tell you about the hard work they put into behind the scenes to build good relationships with artists and creators. Nor should they because it's not glorious. But anyone wanting to get past some pitiful 1k subs, has to network. If you stalk a certain tenshi pre-debut, you can see she pretty much followed every worthwhile artist you have heard of, inside or outside hololive, before settling on a certain butterfly. Even after debut, vtubers maintain good relationships with artists via shoutouts, retweets, etc. And Coco has a lot of artists who have drawn god-tier art for her alone. She isn't lacking in options, and if you want to convince us they don't want to work with Coco or are too busy to do so (at least among the good ones), you would need some serious evidence or survey. Because right now you're offering nothing but a emotional, willful belief that frankly goes against reason. Like saying "Elon Musk has no connections with good engineers. All the good ones are already busy etc."

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:13:18 2021 No.5765437 >>5765389 >And here we're going back to what I said earlier And you're retarded to think that they give companies big discounts and upcharge commissions from indies.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:13:37 2021 No.5765442

>>5765389
What you said doesn't make any sense. There is no reason for a freelancer to charge less or more based on the clientele. People who are in higher demand just charge higher rates, period. It has nothing to do with being "big" or "small". It's about money. I think your understanding of business comes from watching too much anime

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:15:16 2021 No.5765479 >>5765437 >>5765442 You're absolutely retarded thinking that exposure carries literally no weight to someone at the top of the food chain, for whom money has less value to a normal freelancer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:15:52 2021 No.5765488 >>5765423 >You argument if that no artist will work with Coco. Your argument IS that no artist will work with Coco. Give him some break in the time of autocorrection.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:18:59 2021 No.5765548

>>5765479
Freelancers at the top of the food chain need no exposure. The only people who think they need exposure are the ones who aren't getting any work. And it is valuable to get exposure by working on a good project. But that's a good project, not neccessarily a company. At the end of the day it just comes down to money

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:19:07 2021 No.5765552 Unless the character is pre-made a lot of corporate vtibers are given a stipen to work things out with artists themselves and don't deal with the parent company to begin with.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:19:14 2021 No.5765556 >>5763553 Some are already big sluts from what we know. Gundou laughs at a distance after being shat on by people here. Screencap this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:20:17 2021 No.5765573 >>5763532 >that moment when TODD saves the dream >girls can play Starcraft now with 0 problem It just works.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:20:35 2021 No.5765581 >>5765479 So working with Coco isn't exposure?

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:20:53 2021 No.5765583

>>5765434
Coco also has a massive issue with chinks following her and harassing anyone she interact with, you think that won't play part with her finding someone willing to get harassed? again the issue is people making it like her making her own company is easy and not about coco going indie and getting a good artist for herself. It just feel retarded with anons egging her making a company when she herself said she won't be joining another agency much less starting her own and then trivializing it as easy just because she is successful.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:21:53 2021 No.5765604

>>5765548
>Freelancers at the top of the food chain need no exposure. The only people who think they need exposure are the ones who aren't getting any work.
This is true, but once again it comes back to - if I've got a company offering me work versus an indie offering me work, who do I pick?

Obviously the company, but if the indie pays me more, I'll take them.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:24:33 2021 No.5765648

>>5765604
Not neccessarily
If there's no promise of future work for the company there's no reason to pick the company over the indie
And if you're an artist who has the option to pick and choose, many of them choose what they would personally prefer to do

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:25:00 2021 No.5765658

>>5765583
You're making it sound impossible when it is very plausible. I'm not saying it will happen, I am just saying the barrier isn't insurmountable. Coco is likely done with a lot of the shit she's had to deal with. You're argument was first about things costing too much and then that artists mostly care about exposure. You have been moving goal posts and backtracking for hours.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:29:04 2021 No.5765727

>>5765648
>If there's no promise of future work for the company there's no reason to pick the company over the indie
It's not future work from the company so much as the company's brand power and reach. Hololive carries a massive amount of weight behind its name right now.

At the very least I can tell you that despite having a 10 year career in accounting, if PWC offered me a short-term stint working for them, I'd do it for free

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:30:19 2021 No.5765745 >>5764096 I'd pay my fucking left arm to have a 'meeting' with Sora or Lamy.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:31:52 2021 No.5765774

>>5765658
>Your argument was first about things costing too much and then that artists mostly care about exposure
I never said any of that, the two post you're replying to is just me saying its hard to set up all that by herself. And i never said its impossible just that the one who is proven successful are company with investors and artists designing the chuba themself (Gyari and Norio)

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:32:11 2021 No.5765783

>>5765727
>It's not future work from the company so much as the company's brand power and reach. Hololive carries a massive amount of weight behind its name right now
Yes, that's the shit I was trying to debunk, that is a complete myth
The work of contract artists is pretty much a meritocracy. Nobody cares if you did work for this big company or whatever, they care if you're good. There are public names in art and they carry some weight, but that has little to do with the company you're working for. People care if you're good, or if they already have a working relationship with you

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:39:42 2021 No.5765904
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>>5765583
>you think that won't play part with her finding someone willing to get harassed?
So now you have a new argument. "It's the chinks." Another goal to backtrack over. I'm sure it makes emotional sense to you, but that's all it is, emotions. In reality, her fans did not shy away from her, and people still willingly drew god-tier fan art for her. And many learned of Coco due to the incident as well, with new fans from Taiwan alone. And Tatsunokos are already famously defiant in the face of Chinese antis. Suggesting they may fear the antis is, quite honestly, beyond reason.

And I repeat, unless you can give us a survey where none of her fan artist wants to work with Coco due to busyness, money, or the chinks, it is no more than a willfull belief that frankly goes against appearances and reason, like Elon being unable to find engineers. My question is: what is it that drives you to believe this? Is there some kind of deep-seated trauma that makes you want to believe this? I'm thinking this is your therapy session instead of a discussion.

>>5765774
>And i never said its impossible
I think we can close the discussion here. If it's not impossible then we are arguing over a difference in percentages. There isn't anything quantitative or qualitative we can do about your vague impressions, short of a survey among Tatsunoko fan artists.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:44:51 2021 No.5766001 >>5765904 There is really no discussion with delusional cocofags, so okay i guess?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:46:55 2021 No.5766051 >>5766001 I'm not the one saying ridiculous things like Coco can hardly find artists or Elon can hardly find engineers. Look in the mirror, amigo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:48:39 2021 No.5766082 >>5766051 Ah i see who i'm talking with, thank god she is leaving, i can't fucking stand spics like you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:52:21 2021 No.5766149 >>5766001 I was called a shizzo last time i said i don't care about Coco. I don't know where her knights went but al least im not a zhang or bug anymore.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:56:30 2021 No.5766224 It's time to use my skill from NASFAQ, buy high sell low

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:56:32 2021 No.5766226 >>5766001 Almost all of Tatsunokos have knowledge about bussiness.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 05:58:51 2021 No.5766268 >>5766226 And? i'm talking about cocofags not tatsunokos. The former is busy spreading shit like she is the most influential vtubers in the world and the latter is busy watching and spending her remaining time as coco.

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 06:00:25 2021 No.5766292
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>>5766082
I'm not a spic, but at least we have confirmed you are thankful she is leaving. That explains your pathological obsession with denying Coco's influence or networking, which I suspected of coming from an emotional place beyond reason. Now we know for definite. A closure for people who wasted their time on such an opinionated loser who was never moved by reason in the first place. No more need to keep replying then.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 06:20:52 2021 No.5766627 >>5763507 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I'LL BUY EVERYTHING AND FUCK YOU'RE OSHI

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 06:22:10 2021 No.5766655 Fuck it, i'm moving to Nijisanji

Anonymous Mon Jun 28 06:24:17 2021 No.5766687

>>5763773
It didn’t work the first time, it is not going to work a second time. Sjw are stupid but unless they have “moral” on their side otherwise people would laugh at them for doing stupid shit and won’t support them. In order for them to cancel miko, context would matter and it is impossible to cancel her base on context, unlike the chinks where context mean shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 06:41:50 2021 No.5767000 Not happening.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 07:28:56 2021 No.5767887 File: 282 KB, 418x524, panished.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Coco leaves >Cover gets IPO:d >Coco returns with fanfare "bringing in" over a million subs >Cover share rockets THEY PLAYED US LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 07:29:36 2021 No.5767902 >>5761900 Cover owns the rights to most of the designs, don't they? Nothing stopping them from hiring voices for Alt aside from potential backlash by the fans.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 07:44:35 2021 No.5768186 >>5767902 Hiring actual VAs is expensive as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 28 08:09:43 2021 No.5768709 >>5762946 You're thinking in western terms. You have to think of potential changes in a Japanese context, as most of the investors will be Japanese source. If anything, you would probably see the company be more vigilant against SJW like tendencies.

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