Numbers Thread

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Graduations Edition
(Vnuma is down for maintenance and it might take a while again to come back. Chart is missing recent rushia 23k and kanata 35k), and possibly watame soon as well

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>>5936461
Huh? Coco's live viewers peak reached 495k for me. YouTube is so damn innacurate lmao

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Is it just me or are all the numberfagging sites (understandably) having issues? Playboard and Holostats also seem to be struggling right now.

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>>5936582
No, this is VNUMA being VNUMA. That is, grossly inaccurate.

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>>5936634
Ohh, so it might be possible that the peak is higher then? Prolly 500k?

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>>5936461
Sad inclining for a lot of Holos but numbers are numbers

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>>5936461
Nijiniggers can't even compete on normal stream anymore lmao

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>>5928171
In case you're wondering Coco's graduation is still trending at #1 in the US since the time I posted it.

It's been 2 hours now.

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>>5936461
We should just call this thread /numbers/ now

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>>5936680
No it didn't hit quite 500k according to Youtube anyway, it would've if that site wasn't so broken. Most quoted figure I've seen is 492k which is still absolutely fucking insane.

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>>5936680
This is the highest recorded number outside of YouTube, so unless Cover decides to release a statement indicating the amount of live viewers at the peak, we will probably never know.

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>>5936942
Crap, forgot my image.

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>>5936461
I just noticed that out of the top ten, five streams belong to Coco.

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>>5936582
Mine peaked at 497k almost 498k. YouTube is fucking weird lmao

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So, what are some numbers to keep an eye on for the future? Subaru birthday? Ibrahim 3D?

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>>5937066
I didn't take a screenshot because I'm dumb but when VNUMA was last up the top 5 most viewed recorded videos were the Yagoo interview, the Coco Hologra episode, Kiseki Knot, the Fansa cover and Weather Hackers, all Coco related.

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>>5936461
Oh no, chumbuds, don't look.

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>>5937208
Those 2 and whatever upcoming graduations get announced. Someone was right in the previous thread that unless we put graduations into a separate category, numbers are all just going to be graduations from now on.

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Coco
>490k live views (New highest)
>~$164k superchat (New highest)

Anything missing?

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>>5937212
True chumbuds are proud of Gura's numbers while also cheering on all the other girls. Coco deserves her numbers

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>>5937333
average chumbud don't know who coco is until today.

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>>5936461
So Hololive members have 20k more viewers now? If they're going to filled top 25 everyday from now on then what's the point of this thread? Might as well called it Hololive numbers thread.

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>>5937263
We should probably just pretend Coco's graduation ever happened. It's too far gone to make sense of and feels like a perfect storm. Lulu's graduation being at 130k is not bad, the extra 60k coming from her talking about some drama warps the numbers. Haachama's and Shion's graduations won't be anywhere near Coco's and I doubt they will even be contenders for 2nd place.

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>>5937263
Not really, Gura's costume is still ahead of every graduation except Coco's.

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>>5937440
ESLchama... Just watch her streams, her regular chat loves all the girls, every time she mentions a Hololive event you see a wall of love from chat

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>>5937316
4 million VOD views in 4 hours?

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>>5937263
The only graduation that broke records like this was Coco's, and that was a unique, one off event that will most likely never be repeated. Gura's outfit reveal is still the second highest stream so it doesn't make sense to shove all the graduation streams into their own category.

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Hololive cements itself to be the TOP female vtuber company as of today. The ratio in auditions for JP 6, EN 3 and ID 3 is gonna be wild. .

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>>5937460
It's been the Hololive (and Kuzuha) Numbers Thread for some time now.

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>>5937572
Gura still has the fastest growing song.

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>>5937263
The point of these threads isn't what's the biggest number anon.

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>>5937581
JP girls do not want to be in hololive. Chances are they will get less applicants than gen 5.

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>>5937600
kenmochi is effortlessly beating kuzuha right now

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>>5937212
>reddit dragon needs to gradute to surpass gura views
pathetic. also she isnt hololive anymore. so her video views doesnt count

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>>5937572
It's probably youtube catching up with the viewcounts. A lot of people were watching the stream live with things like adblock and labeled as spam and removed from the viewcount. That's why we saw those random swings in live viewers. However, they're still counted in the total VOD views.

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>>5937629
There's no making sense of the numbers for Coco's graduation.

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>>5937621
Are the graduation stream counted separately or they can be used to compare with a song? Because Gura Summer Part MC stream even gained 1m faster than her song, let alone this graduation one.

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>>5937685
>kenmochi is effortlessly beating kuzuha right now
Let me know when Kenmochi is invited by Hiromoot to play among us and gets 78k peak viewers like Kuzuha. He might make it one of his 6 streams of the month.

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>>5937600
Sure if you're talking about top 12, but there's some variety if you're looking at top 25, some Nijis can win against mid-low tier Holos there. There'a also people like Shibaya Hal or Patra doing ASMR showing up on the list.

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>>5937212
>implying Chumbuds care about this
get better bait

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>>5937669
based on what?

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>>5937460
>So Hololive members have 20k more viewers now?
I can't tell if you're still false flagging from last thread. No, Suisei isn't going to get 81k from her regular singing streams from now on, nor are Fubuki and Miko going to get 68k/80k for random talking. Stop setting up expectations from what is obviously getting viewers from Coco's graduation, to then troll when they go down later on.

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Could Gura 3D possibly surpass this? Not even gonna bring up Gura graduation because knowing her it would likely be from the back door

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>>5937460
If you don't like it, ask Nijifans to actually watch their livers consistently instead of only tuning in during big events like 3D debuts and liking twitter posts.

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>>5937487
Yeah, this stream had absolutely everything going for it, the first ever major Hololive graduation, of someone who was popular overall and well liked by almost all of the other members, who had a big reach worldwide with speaking English and putting in subtitles plus the Taiwanese and HK watchers who put ads up for it on buses and bus stops, plus no doubt a ton of NGA bugs watching to finally see the back of her, a general drama boost from all the Taiwan stuff that got her in the news worldwide. Unless vtubing has a second boom on the same scale as 2020 that record of 491k viewers will never be beaten in my opinion. The superchat record I can see falling at some point because of the way Niji fans save up for the big streams and go crazy for them, but not the viewers record.

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>>5937759
>let alone this graduation one.
Coco's graduation reached 1 million before youtube caught up. It was probably right after the stream ended even if it wasn't recorded when you consider. The stream had 492k viewers at it's peak, no way it didn't reach what qualified for 1 million vod views before the stream was even over. The fact that the stream ended 2 1/2 hours ago and is at 4 million adds credence to this line of thinking.

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>>5937898
No. Gura doesn't nearly have the JP+EN combined reach of Coco, it won't be a graduation, she won't have like 30+ Holomems attending.

>>5937921
>Unless vtubing has a second boom on the same scale as 2020 that record of 491k viewers will never be beaten in my opinion.
The only real thing to count on. That said, I do hope vtubing has a second boom.

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green numbers

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>>5937784
>invited by hiromoot
he was invited by 96neko you baka

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>>5937784
This. Kuzuha is way above him if we're talking about sheer popularity. Kuzuha's stability is also insane, he can stream everyday while holding almost 20k average viewers.

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>>5938006
No, I mean, no one celebrates Gura MC stream reaching 1m views in even less time than her song, so I thought songs are considered differently than a stream, similar to this graduation one. If Coco puts out a song and it reached 1m in less than 10h then sure, but this one feels different

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>>5937460
Anon, VNUMA's ranks been dominated by Hololive since like the second half of 2020. It's usually:
>Hololive taking the lion's share of the ranking
>Njisanji taking usually four or five
>Shibuya Hal
>whatever Twitch stragglers pop up when the numbers are just right
and this hasn't changed since the better part of 2020.

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>>5938067
The single stream SC record will be broken eventually, but this one will probably never be broken. Almost 600k in 3 weeks jfc

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>>5937898
I don't know, maybe? It seems unrealistic to expect it though, 3D reveals don't get that many more views. If we can assume the same percentage of her subs care about a 3D reveal as a new costume, 9%, she'd need about 5.55 million subs.

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>>5937859
based on my cock retard

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>>5938135
People rarely care about VODs here, I doubt it crossed anyone's mind.

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>>5938135
Generally songs are good for farming vod views long term (see mori) while streams are good for large spikes, but then they drop off long term.

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>>5938192
oh well, it was almost worth an attempt

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>>5938094
I can’t tell if you’re shitposting but he wasn’t invited by her either

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>>5938192
not much then

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>>5938191
This is also assuming the market is never capped.

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>>5938180
It's sort of a pointless ranking though, since people announce graduation at different times. If we just go by monthly or even just 3 weeks, it's entirely possible for it to be broken.

>>5938135
Streams end with only needing Youtube to verify vod views before they add them in up to 24h after the stream ends. Songs are premiered for like 3-4 minutes and have a way larger tail end so yes, they're usually counted differently.

It's not hard for a huge event to hit 1m vod views at the end of it. If you premiere a song and it hits 1m in less than a day, it's a different story. You also have to consider to what effect people continue to listen to the song. Gura's had a huge start, but it's already slowing down more than King and RIP. Same with Kanata's current cover getting a buff from Coco, or LizeLulu's cover.

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>>5937784
No need for that extreme case. Just compare the numbers of Kuzuha vs Kenmochi playing that shitty Play On challenge. Kuzuha had near 20k, ken near 10k. Kuzuha has way more fans, the other is just mostly click bait

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>>5937898
I think only another graduation can possibly surpass this, but even that is going to be hard because the whole Coco and zhangs situation brought a ton of attention to it. Basically this whole graduation had the biggest buff in vtuber history so it will be very hard to beat it.

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wow otaku really are so pathetic imagine giving your money to a virtual anime girl i cant stop cringe whenever i see those vtuber chats full of donation

this generation really is doomed

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>>5938067
this brings up an awkward question:
how profitable is graduating talents on regular intervals...?
(no doubt some hand-waving-monkey-wearing-suit is probably thinking about it right now)

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>>5938452
I doubt well will see every hololive member be a part of every graduation. Coco made a big spectacle of it, enough of the popular holomems wouldn't do such a big song and dance.

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>>5938374
You have the stat for RIP and King during those initial weeks? Would love to see how slowed down Reflect is compared to them, RIP reached 21m after 9 months, I want to make some projection. If you dont have then point me to a link of archive or something

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this littme bitch coco say she graduate from vtubing but this bitch let her stream open so those shitty simp of her can donate even more money

what a bunch of absolute loser

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>>5938488
She would've made that much money in around 4 months normally, so it would've been much more profitable long-term for her to stay

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>>5938040
>I do hope vtubing has a second boom.
Will there be a second covid? At some point we are going to hit a line where everyone who'd watch a vtuber already knows of them.

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>>5938499
They do this for relevant events. They show up when they can. Sport fest was a thing. MK tournament too. Miko's comeback. This Summer festival. A majority of them show up for each other. Not to mention the fact that people will not stream over special announcements and 3D events. It's important for them. That's a signature of Hololive branding. A holo will get flamed if they don't follow tye norm. A holo will have to announce that they are okay with someone streaming at the same time with them so that gachikois won't attack the other holo

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>>5938488
Penny wise, pound foolish. People will get sick of the shit eventually and I doubt anyone would be as popular as Coco.

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>>5938590
The chink flu helped for sure but the real spike happened in the summer and early autumn when restrictions were more relaxed in most of the world, it's down to more than just that

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>>5938583
true, however there's the audience distribution dilemma; if graduate-fans move to other girls, they don't lose all that income

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>>5938590
Twitch has been going strong even before covid. This is just another form of streaming with extra steps. And as far as Hololive goes, they are expanding their portfolio by making more content and injecting themselves in mainstream content so another is more likely. They just need another viral sensation.

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>>5938452
Yeah, I doubt that there's anyone in the current chuuba meta that had as much reach as Coco. Ai who was the first vtuber, and Mito who introduced a more accessible form of vtubing wasn't able to do what she did which was to globalize the medium so it could escape being just another "lol Japan" thing.And with all the crazy shit that happened leading up to this, even if Mito or Ai graduated at the same time and on the same stream, they probably at best get to 350k.

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>>5938690
It depends on the girl. Shion and Haachama are unlikely to want such a parade even if offered the support. I sure many grand gestures will be made but the shape of everything is determined by the talent graduating.

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>>5938590
Maybe if they manage to make a second Gura who manages to bring people in from outside the vtuber sphere.

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I have to say, so many people were unironically saying that Coco's graduation stream wouldn't break 150k because she's not popular in Japan, that Japan was Nijisanji land, and the stream times are awful for EOPs and burgerland. 491k peak viewers basically shits all over the "Coco is unpopular in Japan" rrat right?

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>>5938590
I think we're still missing the key ingredient that might kick VTubing into high gear and turn it into a more mainstream thing similar to anime (but I don't think I want to see that happen). I guess it will all depend on if cover can:
>improve the anime VTuber tech beyond the current level to make it more anime
>convert neet, hikki and sociopathic girls into actual idols
>convert people into actual idol watchers

They have a long road, but right now they have people's eyes on them.

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>>5938374
You can only compare REFLECT to RIP but not KING cause the differences between original and cover

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>>5938787
It's a possibilty. Cover has an insanely good scouting division. Although I don't think they get the next gura until at least EN3. And who knows, maybe EN3 becomes another golden generation.

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>>5938884
Nijisanji hasn't been ahead of HoloJP in total live views in quite a while. I'm not sure why people repeat the same shit from /jp/ threads from last year.

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>>5938785
Shion did a lot totsumachi back then. That was her viral thing before. Not to mention that she did collab often. It's only now that she's doing this recluse thing but even when she's depressed people still do their best to get her in the loop like Rushia and Subaru so her including other Holos is not a question. Haachama is probably the same. She's always open to requests but don't have time to do them. Even if they don't feature every holo, every holo will surely boost them in the live event. That's what happened to Nene.

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i want to measure the gini coefficient between hololive streamers and nijisanji LIVErs
because i know nijisanji's distribution is grossly inequal

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>>5938884
>so many people
You mean people who eat rrats all day from the archives who came to this board a month ago?

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>>5939005
Where are your numbers

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>>5939023
If Shion is not being a recluse and depressed she probably wouldn't graduate to begin with.

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>>5938884
No, all of her audience was EOP.

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>>5938926
Their Holo Gra animations getting better and better. I think they were hiring animators and creative writers.

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>>5939103
The nijicope has begun.

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>>5938884
Those people are dumb. Niji has been #2 in Japan for more than a year now, you can see that Holo threads there have way more activities than Nijisanji ones even inpeaceful day where both sides have no special event.

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>>5938478
cope and seethe normiefag

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>>5938780
There is still a way to have even more reach than Coco, that is to get Calli, Suisei or Gura to the level of celebrity like mafumafu the utaite, he had a concert stream with 200k watching, and doesnt rely on graduation buff, even if it is hype. That way the holo can have insane reach without relying on their sub count, and their parting will certainly be watched by many.

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>>5938135
Coco stream died 2 or 3 times iirc if 30sec counts as vod views, does this mean it boosted view count when the same 400k or so people reconnected?

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>>5939312
threads are no way to gauge interest in companies because this is a hololive board, but you can simply see in the live numbers that hololive has the advantage

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>>5938926
Agreed. But I think they've already started planting the seeds to do just that.
>improve the anime VTuber tech beyond the current level to make it more anime
HoloAlt. I think the ultimate plan for this is to make Hololive into another Fate Franchise. The technical side might need to take a backseat for the other multi media stuff but if succesful, this would basically fuel all future endeavors from improving their 3D tech, to concerts, etc.
>convert neet, hikki and sociopathic girls into actual idols
Already happenening. You basically just described almost half of the entire roster
>convert people into actual idol watchers
Slowly but surely starting to happen. The fact that idol lingo is starting to spread to normies which I would've thought impossible in the past is proof of this.

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>>5937460
>looks for for VOMS and animare numbers in /numbers/
>looks for some schizo or autistic speculations on nonpublic numbers like ads and merch sales
>people only care about tribalfag dickwaving on public numbers everyone could see in public websites
>can't even predict both Lulu's and Coco's graduations correctly despite supposedly being number autists
Just call this thread /consolewars/ already.

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>>5938884
>>5939175
Take a look at her comments right now. It's nothing but English. Finding a Jap comment is like finding a needle in a haystack. Live chat was like 40-60% English as well. Burgers aren't the only English speakers that exists.

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>>5939086
Sitting in a spread sheet unfinished. I was using the 30 days before Coco's graduation announcement since that skewed numbers but I never finished. I want to do a full analysis but I don't know when is a good place to start the count again. Maybe next week.

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>>5937333
No Chumbud would ever want the price that came along with getting Cocos numbers. I worry for numsagi though, now that the path to big numbers has been shown to peko.

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>>5939523
If only half her viewers were Japanese that's 240K, still more than enough to crush the record.

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>>5938884
I always got the impression that her EOP audience was underwhelming for a bilingual streamer. I remember seeing charts showing several other holo jp having a larger EOP percentage.

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>>5939690
30% at best. You underestimate how big hololive is overseas, specially someone like Coco.

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>>5939380
No, if you leave and return to the same video (without watching it fully) it doesn't count as 2 views, but it does add up to your total watched time, which is a variable for the algorithm to quantify the video's quality

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>>5939706
To be fair, the EOPs are mostly just there during meme review or this occasion, If they give a shit her number would have been Pekora level, not sub 10k usually

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>>5939523
English speakers comment far more than Japs do, it's just a cultural difference

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>>5939808
Source?

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>>5939056
For avg live, Niji's is around 0.51. For HololiveJP+EN not counting Azki/Roboco, it's around 0.26. If you put those 2 in, it's around 0.29. If you add in Holostars, it's around 0.44. Even with stars Niji has 2x the members though, which naturally leads to higher inequality in an industry built like a pyramid.

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>>5939771
Coco: "I don't do English only streams because 90% of my audience is jp (according to yt stats)"

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>>5936461
numberfagging will never not be cringe

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>>5939771
Most of holoJPs chats are 90% japanese. Also youtube has a bias towards your location and language when showing comments, that doesn't indicate anything unless you're a person using Japanese in Japan.

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>>5939706
It was all about her special circumstances and the chink- taiwan fuckery. She was harassed and mistreated. A lot of people went full saviorfags for her.
I bet substantial taiwanese people showed up in this stream too.
I don't think anyone will ever reach this level again.

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>>5939865
He doesn't have one because he's wrong. Watching for 30s does count as a view, even if you return. Youtube only sets a limit if it counts you as a spam viewer, or you view too many times in a certain time period. Crashing and having to refresh once or twice doesn't fit that criteria.

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>>5939771
>moving goalposts

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>>5940019
Just accept it, Hololive audience is nothing but filthy EOPs

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>>5939969
- She showed it was 51.7% when the Taiwan thing happened and the overseas audience would obviously increase more since then
- More overseas people than usual would turn on for her graduation stream, the live chat and comments are obvious indications

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>>5939523
You can literally see a sea of nips using this #桐生ココ卒業LIVE on Twitter. Not to mention the wave of JP clipfags. She even used two hashtags for JP and EOP. Both went viral

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>>5940253
thats 71,9% on screen the rest must be split up a lot to be less than 3% but still make up nearly 30%

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>>5940253
Still can't believe all of this happened because of an analytic

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>>5937689
cope more cumkek

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>>5940253
Nothing but unquantifiable statements in these threads, live views seem to favor one side but you can't just accept the implications. Mental gymnastics for being a tribal are insane. I am convinced no actual nijifag cares about numbers at this point.

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>>5940545
Pretty sure the cumkeks are happy to take this cope any day because, well, it's obvious. It's the numberfags that want to stir shit up

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>>5940525
>chinks use Taiwanese proxies to watch hololive on youtube
>kick up this entire fuss because youtube counted them as taiwan

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>>5936461
Youtube fuckery annoys me beyond compare. 4million VoD views already but only 500k live viewers? Bullshit. I am the anon that's been preaching that her graduation would get 1million live viewers. It didn't happen.

>Taiwan buff, disappointment.
>Reddit buff, useless.
>China bots, not enough.

She's been cultivating/leeching, growing her audience with Asacoco/Reddit collaborations. I honestly expected a record shattering final stream. What went wrong?

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>>5940836
this got over 2.5x the former record shut up nigger

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>>5940253
>>5940665
The only way for us to know is if Cover actually starts releasing demographic data on their viewers... but we already know how that ended the last time they allowed such things to take place.

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>>5940665
If you think things here are bad, take a look at 5ch, nijis home

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>>5940836
>What went wrong?
Time too early for most of the US.
If she delayed it by 3-4 hours, I think the numbers could have been much better.

But that would mean lower numbers for everyone else streaming after, who got a massive boost.

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>>5940836
I've been lurking on this thread for a few days. No one preached as high as 1M. The highest I've seen was 500k and I thought that was crazy at first but I was proved wrong. Go fuck yourself.

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>>5940836
Nothing, neck yourself.

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>>5940836
Oh, so you're the retard that got called a retard last night? Got it.

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so is this the highest bar, the record of records at least for next couple of years. Cocos graduation feels like the perfect storm I feel of being Hololives first real graduation, weeks of build up, tragic in some sense, solid fanbases on both sides of the pond, zhangs and taiwanese also tuning in likely.

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Just one thing before I post something dumb and get called names. Are there legit people that are happy this surpass Gura record, or those are just people who want to shit on chumbuds? Because I cant see why fans of hololive would be happy in this occasion. Acceptance, may be, but hardly happy.

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>>5938926
>convert people into actual idol watchers
As someone who's been a long-time idol fan, it'd be a very weird thing to see VTubers of all things be the medium that normalizes Japanese idol culture in mainstream Western circles when we've been outcasted through both the Hello! Project / 48G era and the Idolm@ster / Love Live era.

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>>5940836
People were worried it wouldn't reach 200k in this thread. 1 million is just crazy talk.

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>>5941131
the people who are happy are tourists

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>>5941131
you can feel happy and sad for different things at the same time.

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>>5941131
I'm not happy that Coco graduated but I think it's far more fitting for an event like this to hold the record than a mere costume reveal

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>>5941131
they are falseflaggers. Try posting a thing like that on a gura thread and they'll chew you out.

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>>5941131
read the title of the thread

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POST COCO STREAMS SO FAR
> 70,924 (avg) / 82,959 (peak) :: Hoshimachi Suisei
> 64,064 (avg) / 81,759 (peak) :: Sakura Miko
> 41,177 (avg) / 61,337 (peak) :: Shirakami Fubuki
> 35,306 (avg) / 40,612 (peak) :: Amane Kanata
> 28,524 (avg) / 33,507 (peak) :: Tsunomaki Watame
> 19,145 (avg) / 25,891 (peak) :: Natsuiro Matsuri
> 16,882 (avg) / 26,048 (peak) :: Uruha Rushia
> 06,686 (avg) / 09,746 (peak) :: Shiranui Flare

Wtf is Flare even doing, playing some debuff game or something?

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>>5941131
I am not happy that this surpassed Gura because it's a fucking graduation. I am happy though that she graduated with such impact. It's a mix of emotions.

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>>5941131
only reason i'm upset is that coco is graduating.

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>>5941299
Flare is coping. I wished she didn't even try to stream the game but here we are.

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>>5941131
I am not happy she is gone or that she beat gura, i am happy because her stream was fun if a bit emotional and she went out with a bang and the numbers show many also cared that she was going and it makes me proud of the community for coming together to see it all even if its the end of Kiryu Coco.

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>>5941299
the great leeching

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>>5941131
I don't get what are you trying to say. No one gets emotional on numbers. If the number is high, it'll get praised. That's how it is. Sometimes, this is a place for discussion but that's rare nowadays because Hololive basically has no competition anymore. Tribal faggots would come here and shit on each other usually. It was especially sweet for holofags today because a few days ago, nijifags were betting coco wouldn't pass their "highest superchat in a stream".

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>>5941238
Nah, it is fitting, Im just talking about those people that, while I dig these threads, keep bringing up Gura costume reveal and try to act as if beating that was a thing to celebrate. Make me feel weird. What kind of fans do that.

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>>5941299
Yes. Like undertale, but without being popular.

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>>5941160
Next step is Anime and games. If love live, idolmaster or Zombieland saga gets an anime, Hololive could too.

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>>5940836
You're numberfagging too hard anon. Calm the fuck down. 500k live viewers is still an amazing feat. One I doubt will Never be beaten. Kiryu Coco leaves wearing a crown today. I humbly KNEEL. Numberfags rejoice! Coco has broken through the ceiling. She is the currently the bar that will never be reached.

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>>5941160
Let's be real: a lot of idolfags are Smash Bros FGC tier when it comes to being representative of a given group. And the negative press that often surrounds them and the idol groups themselve doesn't help them either.

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>>5941436
If you dont mind event that is not comparable to one another and just want to beat a number. Can still arrange a mass graduation, that certainly will beat it.

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>>5941299
Didn't even show up for Reddit review. Dumb bitch out here calling us obashees brazzaz but can't even participate in a EOP centered show. This poop elf should stop Smiling & Go graduate.

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>>5941368
>No one gets emotional on numbers. If the number is high, it'll get praised.
>nijifags were betting coco wouldn't pass their "highest superchat in a stream".
Do you even browse this thread?

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Oh no, the numbers...

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>>5940253
Overseas audience definitely decreased, at least according to the trends of her chat turning more and more JP outside of Meme Review and that way more EN viewers prefer Twitch for vtubers now.
Same as how EN's live viewership went down and for others with high EN % like Uto

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>>5940836
>Only 500k live viewers.
>Only
>500K

Oh boy just oh boy. That's something that even popular twitch streamers would be jealous of.

By the way has any vtuber came close to it? I heard about Mito's centipede movie stream and that a lot of people watched too.

But undoubtedly Coco left as a Queen.

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>>5941368
Not only that most Nijifags were certain Coco wouldn't top Lulu's graduation.

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>>5941846
Yeah but, Unnus Annus had 1.5 million people watching when it ended so, muh predictions!!!

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>>5941725
kek made me look

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>>5941777
If youtubes chat wasn't so fucking insanely bad many less people would be fine with it not being on twitch honestly

>>5941846
No twitch streamer has ever come even close to that, I'm pretty sure most like tournament events don't even peak that high or are around that number. It's insane that essentially 1 person can reach that

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i logged coco's graduation chat live and also downloaded the chat from the VOD archive. they are about 271,000 and 296,000 lines, and are 18 and 20 MiB respectively. my live chat log started a few minutes before the stream but is slightly shorter than the archived chat. none of the ~5 messages i sent are included in either log. one of them was a small superchat sent during a period of high superchat activity. it's clear that some messages were dropped (which is normal and unsurprising), so it's easy to say that there were over 300,000 messages sent during the stream.

>>5937212
>implying i would miss gura's cameo appearance in such an important stream

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>>5941532
>Can still arrange a mass graduation, that certainly will beat it.
Maybe a battle royale
>Hololive will reduce to only the top 40 streamers measured by a formula between live viewers, VOD viewers and SC
>you girls have one month to band up in any combination you want and improve your numbers
>mass graduation in 45 days

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>>5941945
Anon... Twitch streamers have come close/beat that, but you're right that they're only a handful.

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>>5941908
Markiplier! A man and a meme known for years. Someone that had ~20x times subscribers. You are comparing apples and oranges.

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>>5942058
Anon, Holo has less than 40 streamers from JP/EN. It's obvious who would win. Niji top 40 might be more interesting, Holo would have to be top 20 or 15.

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>>5942120
>from JP/EN
Why are you discounting ID? Moona, Ollie and Reine would survive the cull

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>>5938191
I thought 3Ds get more views than new costumes, either way though I don't see it happening.

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>>5938742
If my oshi graduated, I somehow picked a new oshi, and they graduated too, I would be fucking done spending any money.

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My prediction on Coco's numbers moving forward.
>2million subscribers within the year
>10million views for graduation vod
>Half of reddit vods will reach a mill
>All her music will hit a million
>Youtube algorithm will recommend her videos to random folk, further boosting her numbers.

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WTF? Is it Rushia birthday or some solemn occasion?
>16k SC

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>>5942302
It's Rushia and she's sad because Coco graduated, that's all she needs to make that much

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>>5942296
You're really underestimating what the Youtube algorithm does to channel's that aren't active or have their monetization offed.

>All her music will hit a million
Is pretty much the only likely one since it's merely an eventuality.
>Half of reddit vods will reach a mil
Possible if the corresponding member gets more popular and people come to check it out.

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>>5942302
Didnt watch, but may be the usual "get on stream, be emotional, get gachikoi money", and cashing in on the early graduation I guess. Nothing new

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>>5941846
>I heard about Mito's centipede movie stream and that a lot of people watched too
That was on NND which counts total views rather than concurrent views, the final total was around 500k iirc but that doesn't tell us how many people were watching at the same time

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>>5942120
The top 10 Nijisanji average in live views for may is 11340. For hollive the average top 10 is 17288. The only way for Nijisanji to make up ground is by volume because they won't win a battle of the top 10 vs top ten unless they clone Kuzuha 9 times.

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>Subaru BDay and 1M subs tomorrow
Predictions on the Live viewers count? I say
>90-130k

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>>5942488
i know this is a numbers thread but 10 tokyo ghouls doing a collab sounds kinda based

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>>5942488
Did you read the reply? They're talking about a battle royale within each company.

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>>5942488
For additional reference there are 27 holos that would make the top 10 of Nijisanji in live views, for the month of May. June doesn't count since it was a hololive parade.

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>>5942639
Well, I'm silly.

If you do the top 40 Holos you will lose two IN. If you do top 15 you would lose Every non-JP but Gura and Mori.

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>>5942302
i mean 16k is on her higher end but its still in a normal area for her

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>>5942808
>If you do the top 40 Holos you will lose two IN. If you do top 15 you would lose Every non-JP but Gura and Mori.
You are disconsidering the (>>5942058)
>one month to band up in any combination you want
Gura could easily save (let's say) Anya by doing collabs every week or even multiple times a week in her channel.

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>>5937713
It can make sense if there were mainland Taiwanese watching the stream...

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>>5942898
Cura can't save anyone, her collabs never buff anyone. Botan can buff others, Pekora can, Marine can, but Gura? No.

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>>5942492
Coco bday with graduation buff is 91k with a 3D performance AND tacked on with an asacoco, I cant see Subaru getting close to that, let alone 130k. 60k may be, or 70k if no one else streams in the same time. Most of these high count even are from fans of hololive in general, not just the girl

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>>5942492
Watame's birthday 3D was about 60-70k right? She may be a little smaller than shuba, but she built more hype for it. I'd say duck will hit the same numbers as sheep.

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>>5942933
Gura won't buff them if she is also having her own stream during the collab, yeah. Otherwise, they'll definitely be buffed.

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>>5938488
a cut of half a million is literally nothing with respect to talent loss. completely not worth it for that

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>>5942967
Suisei just did a regular singing stream for a 82k audience. Coco graduation buff won't wear off that fast and 1M is 1M

On unrelated numbers
>Coco picking up 50k subs in the last day
Talk about going out in a blaze of numeric glory!

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>>5942933
Gura fans are so fucking strange, solo stream higher number than even rare collab like with her mama artist

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>>5943050
the PR shitstorm alone would make it a pretty bad move

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>>5943073
Streaming hours matter and collabing with someone that barely speaks English...

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>>5943072
Well, I will be happy to be proven wrong because that means those fans are supportive of hololive as a whole, and not just one talent. But highly doubt it, like I said above, the very coco bday is 91k with a lot of buffs already, other talents wont get that high, else something is wrong with the 493k today watching to just see someone die, and doesnt give a shit about Coco in reality and rather watch Subaru instead if Subaru bday is higher than 91k

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>>5943050
a talent's graduation revenue is surely strongly correlated with that talent's revenue run rate overall. coco was a very high revenue performer. sure, this was a big stream for SC, but how many months of revenue did she produce today?

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>>5943243
Subaru would be around 40-60k as mentioned from the last thread. Coco's graduation is like a buff to boost her to Pekora/Miko level. So 90k for her birthday stream is justified. Subaru on the other hand is a mid tier holo, she'll peak at 60k but the minimum she can go is 40k becauss stream is just gonna be a totsu. 1M celebration could also change the numbers too. She's expected to reach that tomorrow too. Other things that can effect her numbers are Ibrahim's 3D, but I don't watch him so I don't care.

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For people wondering about Subaru's birthday, here's all the birthday streams this year so far. Asterisked ones were 3D streams, it appears Subaru's won't be.
>Gura - 54k
>Coco - 91k*
>Watame - 68k*
>Roboco - 36k*
>Ina - 38k
>Sora - 27k*
>Kanata - 96k*
>Calli - 32k
>Flare - 39k*
>Suisei - 40k
>Aki - 13k* (Youtube was broken for a ton of people that day)
>Anya - 3k (yes really)
>Miko - 45k
>Nene - 33k
>Okayu - 79k*
>Moona - 29k
>Choco - 27k*
>Polka - 34k*
>Rushia - 62k*
>Risu - 3k (actual birthday stream itself only made it to 2.9k but the countdown was higher so let's use that)
>Pekora - 74k*
>Amelia - 41k

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>>5943619
Anya...

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>>5941904
Are you all fucking delusional? I'm a holofag and nijifags aren't retarded to think Coco would be behind Lulu when she has 500k more subs and has more live viewers than her, along her graduation being an event for all hololive.

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>>5943388
She got 2.5M before graduation and 600k after graduation. She's been running for almost 2 years. My math is bad and I'm sleepy so I'll give her 8-9 months to make that money.

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>>5943388
~4 months, give or take a couple of weeks.
Coco is the most superchatted streamer on youtube, you know?

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>>5936735
Shut the fuck up nigger, don't use coco as an excuse to start shit.

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>>5943679
Check the past number threads

>>5943619
Anya was a dumb bitch. She thought she could get away with playing debuff games, but her personality wasn't good for those games. Plus, why didn't she get a good pc setup and internet connection before debut? She just sucks. I was filtered by Reine at first but she's okay.

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When is the faggot who does this shit going to release the one for june?

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So what event would it take at this point to possibly bring together all or a majority of Niji fans to a stream like Coco's graduation, however many there are at this point?

I feel like for any graduation, even Kuzuha, you would have too many people who straight up wouldn't care and just go on watching someone like Amemori, so it would have to be a huge-scale collab instead. Even Lulu had the fps autists just stream like usual, and half the company didn't really respond beyond a tweet. But what type of collab could possible bring together fans of like 100+ members? Mass graduation/self-harm streams? Somehow a giant stage with 100+ members, no clue how that would even work? Live sex on stream?

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>>5943700
>>5943687
so, that's not very many months of revenue today. i'd think adopting a strategy of intentionally graduating talents to cash in on their graduation revenue boost would be a sign that the company is collapsing financially and struggling to raise cash. i don't think it's a sustainable strategy, assuming coco's revenue today reflects what others would produce.

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>>5943898
>Live sex on stream?
Yes it's going to be this, with me and my wife (pictured). We're going to break all the records.

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>>5943898
I think Lulu was their best because she is popular with the overseas as well. Kuzuha, despite his high CCV than Lulu, was more about the JP audience, I dont think his EOP presence is higher than Lulu. Coco is this high because of her large reach with the EOPs too, despite her lower CCV than even Kuzuha

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>>5943898
Chronoir coming out as gay (real)
Nijisanji's first death
Nijisanji ark revival

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>>5943898
If their sponsored stream of a favourite national sport was overtaken by a shark wearing casual clothes, then there's no hope for Nijis to top views like Coco. They're reclining hard and saved only by 3D debuts and apex autists

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>>5944057
Funny enough Ive seen them ramping up Minecraft videos lately. Are they trying to recreate the magic that happened in the Holoserver? Futile and that's old news now. EN Ender dragon arc starts now along with ARK server revival.

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>>5944057
Honestly, I can see first death doing it if they livestream the grieving/a funeral. No chance Chronoir or Ark are going to bring a majority of people in.

>>5944168
I meant a repeat of baseball gathering basically most Niji fans since they used the members names for the players. No one is talking about topping views, I'm talking about if Niji had 50k total viewers, what would it take to bring like 40k into a single stream.

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>>5944057
>>5944307
Why would there be a stream about a talent death.

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>>5944295
They're just ramping up because it updated, and a few people who play but don't normally stream went back to it. If by "magic" you mean the Usaken summer festival, they've already done the same thing twice before.

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>>5944295
There was an update, everyone who returned is fixing old builds and hunting for wooperloopers. Not everything is a leech from HoloEN.

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>>5944332
Numbers

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>>5944356
>>5944408
My bad. I came back from watching an eng sub video of their summer festival. Their server did seem stacked and there's a lot of things/attractions in their festival but it felt like its missing the air or vibe that I get from Usaken.

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>>5943619
>Anya - 3k (yes really)
>Risu - 3k (actual birthday stream itself only made it to 2.9k but the countdown was higher so let's use that)
jesas

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>>5944921
the id tag is a debuff, we've known about it for ages.

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>>5944831
There is no festival right now in Nijisanji. That was last year. I highly doubt anything big is going to happen for Tanbata this year either, too many are busy, don't care about minecraft anymore, etc

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>>5943619
chumcucks btfo

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>>5944961
But using that as an excuse is still a cope for those two in particular though. A debuff doesn't mean you plummet this badly unless you either aren't even trying (Risu) or turn people off completely (Anya).

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>>5937669
No shit. Just look at EN barely being a year into vtube but btfoing the whole company with 1/4th the effort of JP. Any nip trying to apply would feel discouraged from this point onward. They didn't even bother putting subs in moonrunes for EN's segment earlier. Hololive is going full throttle with EN now. Nijisanji is the designated japanese vtube agency.

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>>5944961
And yet Moona can get 10 times that, it's pretty crazy what being Pekora's friend can do

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>>5944961
it seems to be particularly bad for anya, risu and iofi tho
moona gets decent numbers, ollie and reine seems to be doing relatively ok too

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>>5944974
Yeah, a vod from 10 months ago. That's too bad that they can't work out in MC like Holos did. Their attractions were very nice tho.

[Anonymous No.]

Is it me or everyone is getting a small indirect graduation buff?

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>>5944168
>>5944307
>>5944332
You're all fucking sick in the head. Holy shit, how delusional some people can be.

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>>5945090
>People actually think this way.
The fact you can't make EN numbers doesn't mean you can't be Gen 5, which is still wildly successful even with the Aloe debuff at the start. Try looking at the bigger picture please.

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>>5945177
Alot of eyes were directed at Coco's way, even from people who don't normally watch vtubers. It's not surprising that some of them might branch out to look at the other talents in the company

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>>5941945
Are you dumb? Two spics streamer got 1m views on twitch

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>>5945222
Welcome to /numbers/

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>>5943898
there's just not the same thread of UNITY tying everyone in nijisanji together

maybe someone like mito or maimoto graduating?

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>>5945120
Moona got the pekoboost which drove alot of attention from the west and japan her way, Ollie and Reine also benefited from that western exposure by speaking mostly in English and pandering to the fanbase with actual money.
Risu kinda benefited too but she doesn't play minecraft and she had a period around december where she took a long break and that completely killed her momentum. Iofi switches languages alot and also doesn't play minecraft, which cuts into her audience alot. And of course, Anya doesn't play minecraft either and mostly speaks Japanese.

The point is, if they want more numbers they need to play minecraft

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>>5945177
Ayame got 3K out of this. Looks like algorithm is working full time to show her best clips.

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>>5945444
She'll come back for a 1 million endurance stream.
Then go on a break for another 6 weeks.

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>>5945222
Read carefully anon I’m the last one and I agree.

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>>5945363
Moona's most popular streams are her singing streams where she pulls 6k consistently (sometimes even 10k), not her solo minecraft streams.
Pekobuff is very real, but the people who stay, mostly do for her singing

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>>5943898
One of them goes nuts, holds other livers hostage, and streams it all while in a standoff attempting suicide by cop.

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>>5945526
Singing streams are everyone's most popular streams, because people can put it in the background while they do work or whatever and you don't need to understand the language in order to enjoy it. That doesn't really mean anything.

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>>5938884
OK, I admit, I was one of the people who said it'll max to 130k only, and today I was really surprised that she almost got 500k and proved me wrong, kudos to kaichou

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>>5943898
Noraneko raids Anycolor HQ with her family

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>>5945360
Not really the same though. Coco didn't just help unite chuubas but the global audience too (minus the chinks of course). Regardless of the rrats spewed here, hololive fans whether they be spics, niggers, ruskis, gooks, burgers, seascum, and yes even /vt/shizos and redditniggers are united under the banner of Hololive. Nijisanji lacks that kind of unity despite really only having to deal with one nationality. You have the tourist, the fujos, and the chuuba only fans, and the NND faggots. And all those fanbases would sooner devour their own than come together enough to create an event anywhere near like this

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>>5945742
Years of time and opportunities wasted because they were close minded and thought they could profit from Japan and China only when all it takes was to bring anime soul into streaming

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>>5945273
>be jap
>aspire to join a jap company
>gaijins in company didn't even have to speak jap
>infinitely more successful than the recent JP
If anything it'd be demotivating as fuck for them tbedesu. Why even try anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

can ibrahim save nijisanji from total humiliation?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5946241
No, Kuzuha probably isn't even attending, he's playing Tarkov instead of going to bed

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>>5946241
Define "total humiliation". Then while you're at it you can try to explain "nijisanji" and "ibrahim" too to prove you're not just shitposting.

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>>5946198
HoloEN was a rare case. They're all talented and they're the first gate to filter normies before they reach the real rabbit hole. JP just needs to do what they do best and not get bothered by EN's success.

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>>5945497
Sorry I put you in there instead of another retard

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>>5946241
why don't you guys forget nijisanji and compete against your own vtubers? Isn't hololive that great, the best and all? Do it against yourselves like good narcissists you are instead of dragging other agencies into it. (I wish it was more than nijisanji, as i want to see the numbers of noripro, 774, react, wactor..)

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>>5946495
you all keep begging for other agency numbers yet never provide them. go make some graphs instead of complaining

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>>5946198
You didn't watch the Summer Festival did you?

[Anonymous No.]

Faster than reflect, faster than any other Holo video. Just where is the cap?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5946495
They can't stop Chadzuha from living rent free in their heads. He got excellent numbers today considering he was streaming over Coco's graduation.

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>>5945041
numberfags need to die

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>>5946777
he retweeted her stream bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>5946627
>comparing first music vs a graduation
numberfags need to be hunted and eradicated. The are the new SJW Zhangs in this place

[Anonymous No.]

>>5946917
>”numberfags need to die”, he complains in the designated containment thread

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>>5946948
Yes? But he was still playing PUBG while it happened. Got 21k during it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5946969
chumbud please

[Anonymous No.]

>gura has a whole space for herself on the stream
based star

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>>5947013
This fails to be a containment thread considering all the numberfag threads this board gets and aren't deleted.

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>>5946969
It's ok Gura's still mogging Lulu who only has 2 million on her graduation VOD.

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>>5946948
and yet still pulled his usual numbers, proving that his fans are 100% loyal

[Anonymous No.]

>>5946336
>>5946495
>>5946303
so, he cant, huh.
i see. nijisanji is truly fucking done.

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>>5946777
I wish you faggots would just stick to Gura or something

[Anonymous No.]

>>5945090
I think they did not put moonrunes sub in the EN segment because Coco herself translated the english conversation into moonrune

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>>5946969
You are sorely misunderstanding the nature of numberfagging. The good blokes in this thread will watch their oshis enjoying it in the earnest sense, even those for Anya or Mel, regardless of their performances.

Then they’ll crush some numbers and playfully shit on Pekora for declining to just 45k on a stream she could have get 50k.
It’s not personal for them and shouldn’t cause this convulsive hysteric reaction from you.
Well, to be sincere, your reaction is part of the fun, retards that get emotionally invested about big numbers being compared with small numbers.

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>>5947460
Gura actually gets mogged by Kuzuha in average live viewers despite the latter not even having a third of her subs. We just can't stop winning Kuzsisters.

[Anonymous No.]

kuzuha is the strongest

[Anonymous No.]

>>5947604
Thank you for at least making yourself obvious

[Anonymous No.]

why are you coming into numbers thread just to get mad at numbers and numberfags

[Anonymous No.]

>>5947730
Who are you talking to?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5945222
Read thread title and consider why you came into a containment thread to complain about the things it's containing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5946777
>>5947604
damn anon that's crazy, now show us your membership or kys

[Anonymous No.]

>>5944831
it's probably because you don't know anyone anon.
and lack of clips. Mito stream had a pretty amazing horror house, and a "safe" Ice race.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5947604
>Kuzsisters
sounds gay, not gonna lie

[Anonymous No.]

>>5946969
You are in a numbers thread, schizo-chama.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5946241
No

[Anonymous No.]

Is 492k live viewers the top of hololive's "power"? Every holo stopped their streamings to give Coco's graduation priority and there was a lot of hype. We can discount maybe 50k as tourist viewers, casual viewers maybe another 100k. That gives us at least 342k dedicated viewers or is this a stretch? Can we say that hololive has 3 or 4 millions unique persons around the world that are subscribed to any holo? 3 million persons in total is peanuts in the grand scheme of things, it shows how much growing potential has the industry. This is all suppositions btw, I know nothing about numbers and statistics, I only drew numbers in my head from the graduation stream. Maybe some other anon can give more conclusive numbers

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>>5948266
exclude chinese and taiwanese tourists and it would be 200k max

[Anonymous No.]

>>5948266
492k live viewers *without* a large portion of the west that were all sleeping because of the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5948467
Yeah but I forgot to discount chinese and taiwanese viewers >>5948336 so it should even out

[Anonymous No.]

>>5948266
Stream was pretty early too for most of the west so there's probably a good number of western viewers who aren't tatsunoko's who couldn't attend the stream. But yes, vtubing still has time to grow even more. It wasn't that long ago when anime was niche as hell with most people having to depend on fansubs and pirated streams. Nowadays, major streaming services advertise anime as a selling point of their service and you can talk to most people about their favorite shows without getting side-eyed. Right now, vtubing is still in the fansub phase. Once vtubers become normalized, it wouldn't surprise me if it turns into something that the major streaming services offer as a perk (getting an option to create your own vtuber avatar when you create an account)

[Anonymous No.]

Better late than never

[Anonymous No.]

>>5948266
>Is 492k live viewers the top of hololive's "power"?
Think how much bigger Hololive will be a year from now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5948855
>pffffff, Pekora is reclining, only 471k love viewers on her danganropa stream
>couldn’t even reach Coco levels

[Anonymous No.]

For once, Gura topped

[Anonymous No.]

>>5949085
This is the first time Gura has been toppled since she debut? Damn. Kaichou and her weird growth bursts never ceases to amaze me. I wonder if like Aloe, Coco's channel will continue to grow in subs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5949346
I imagine new holofans will keep subbing to it in the future, so probably.

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>>5949346
I think Haachama at very least matches her during the schizo arc

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>Cocos last stream 300k USD superchats
wasnt it like 165k earlier....

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>>5949938
Wait, where are you getting that info from?

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>>5950355
this is what i see on playboard right now, its in leaf dollars but that should be about 300k USD if my math is right.

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>>5948855
COVID is ending, ignorant-kun.

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>>5950388
While yes, some will stop watching because Covid is ending.

BUT

YouTube algorithm

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>>5949938
Playboard takes a while to count everything

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>>5949404
Not on the 30 day time frame

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>>5950382
yeah about 300k

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>>5950502
The record by quite a margin then. $165k was sort of weird for 490k viewers and her normal superchat numbers.

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>>5950502
Holy shit. When the hell did it update? She was still at 164000 when I checked a couple of hours ago. That basically means Coco almost doubled Fuwa's 3d stream. That's fucking insane. I... I dont think anyone's ever getting close to that shit whether they be Niji or Holo for a long ass time.

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>>5950388
I think these are the numbers for the future, the world is entering into the "new normal" already. At least the first world

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>>5950701
playboard always takes a bit to update and considering coco got a massive amount of supers it obviously would take longer to count them all

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>>5948266
Reminder: in May have 2020 Pekora had fewer members than Anya does now. Even if their growth slows down Hololive still has a lot of room to go with the algorithm very firmly on their side. They have a lot of room to expand in the EN sphere and if they do capture ES lookout. They might not have much money but in pure numbers they are huge and they are starved for content, which is why a weirdly high proportion of streaming records are Spanish language.

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>>5950502
Goodness gracious, this number is too strong.

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>>5950502
Holy fucking shit. She literally pocketed $100K in one fucking day and around a quarter million for the month. That's after cuts on superchats alone! If she has literally two brain cells to rub together and she's honest about her lifestyle, she literally never has to work again.

Fucking good for her, but I think this is what Cover fears the most, and why they are a little reluctant to let her come back: In less than two years sign up with us and you can make millions, then leave while taking a enough of your fanbase to be financially secure forever. It really, really incentivizes leaving after a short period even though genmates and Unity are a big part of why people like Hololive to begin with. It could spiral out of control fast.

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>>5951047
>Reminder: in May have 2020 Pekora had fewer members than Anya does now.
What the fuck did you mean by this? is this supposed to be ""on May 2020, Pekora have fewer members than Anya does now""?
Because No it's not. Hololive is already popular and earning a lot before EN existed and even pre-covid, newchama.

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>>5951354
He probably meant subs, which is true. Pekora had around 300K in May 2020.

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>>5951354
i think he means subscribers, which arent really a strong metric anymore at this point. It has some relevance but its no where near as strong as it used to be due to many hololive fans likely being partisan fans that just sub to every holo despite not watching every holo.

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As some people predicted in the last thread, Playboard's SC count for Coco's grad stream was lagging because of the number of SCs. At $300k+ now, it's safe to say it'll be a while until some vtuber beats it.

https://playboard.co/en/video/IhiievWaZMI

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>>5950502
she's going to starve at this rate

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>>5951493
>many hololive fans likely being partisan fans that just sub to every holo despite not watching every holo.
I was guilty of this months ago when I first started, and subbed to everyone who interacted with my oshis. Honestly, it works because eventho I didn't watch the others at first, I gradually started watching their streams when my favourites weren't streaming and eventually became a legitimate fan. Unity memes aside, I think it's very likely for a hololive fan to at least like every holo on a basic level because of how the group is promoted and structured and a sub is basically a like to EOPs.

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>>5950502
I genuinely cannot kneel hard enough for this fucking dragon. When Playboard didn't update for a while I thought that was the final total and she narrowly beat Fuwa but no, she got over twice the superchat record to go along with over 2.5 times the viewers record. I'm genuinely in fucking awe, I thought my prediction of 250k viewers and 200k superchats was a little optimistic but I got wrecked. Truly incredible.

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>>5946495
>(I wish it was more than nijisanji, as i want to see the numbers of noripro, 774, react, wactor..)
You could be the change that you want to see, but you don't even try that. We've discussed Wactors before too, you know.

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>>5952162
This is completely intentional by Cover and how they set up Hololive.
It's part of the box pushing strategy that they borrowed from the idol industry.
As you can see, it's extremely effective when it works and gets fans even more entrenched into the brand. This also leads to each graduation being more devastating to the community in return.
Nijisanji EN seems to be going for the unity angle with their EN branch but it's not really possible to say much until they finish releasing their 2-3 other waves this year if it's something they're really pursuing.

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>>5950502
Numberfags do we even know how to lose? Jesus. These numbers are ludacris. Holy shit!

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>>5951156
anon not everyone has as much gachikois as Coco

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>>5950502
My prediction was 200k minimum, 400k peak and $200k peak. I'm glad I was proved wrong, nothing could topped this anymore and it made vtuber history.

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>>5950502
Is there anything that could top this?
The only thing that comes to mind is if someone like Mito retired.

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>>5948266
nijicope

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>>5952162
im guilty of doing it too, thats why i said it in the first place, im subbed to all the girls and have probably only watched maybe 1 or 2 full streams from 80% of them, a handful ive never watched more than a few minutes makes me feel kind of bad at this point, theres just not enough time in the day between life and everything else to keep up with more than 2 girls at a regular level.

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>>5953336
Coco is the most superchatted person in the world (and will be for a while still because even Rushia is a long way behind her now), Mito is #82. Unless Rushia graduates or a new superchat magnet that surpasses those two debuts I can't see it ever being topped.

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>>5953336
not sure. coco was massively important to not only hololive but western vtubing as a whole. her graduating was huge, add on the whole taiwan drama. not sure what could beat this numbers wise

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>>5950502
Coco is literally built different. I fucking Kneel. Nijifucks are in shambles and definitely eating their own words. Every record has been shattered. Coco leaves wearing ALL the crowns and it's not even close. $700K USD in a single month. Holy shit this dragon is making hella bank. I Kneel once more.

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I just went through a bunch of things on playboard.
Lots of nijis are reclining, outside of the major names. But somehow Gilzaren of all people is inclining.
774 girls are about 50% reclining. Haneru is getting it especially bad - last year, she was one of the most superchatted people worldwide. This year she is down the ranks significantly.

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>>5951156
That can be solved easily by imposing longer term contracts and non-compete clauses. Besides, there's very few among them that could just work for just under two years and leave fully vested. I think the only ones are the top five superchats for the past 18 months.

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>>5950502
I shall use these graduation numbers to shit on every nijifag and all cumfucks. Coco mogging tastes absolutely delicious.

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>>5950502
I don't think Ibrahim will beat that.

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>>5953922
t. anon who posts on the side of nijis or chimbuds when the numbers are good

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>>5953068
It’s a vicious cycle.
>small companies are, well, small
>can’t get enough regular people to take a shine to them
>consequently can’t get enough autists to likewise
>clips aren’t made, songs aren’t made, artwork isn’t made, numbers aren’t made
>the few people that care about them spend more time complaining that nobody produces anything for them like for bigger companies than, well, producing it
Success in VTubing correlates with the enthusiasm of the fanbase, that’s why not even saviorfagging can save a talent with an apathetic fanbase.

Haachama and Aki share a lot of similarities: same gen, approx same debut date, very similar design. The one thing that propelled Haachama sky high that Aki didn’t manage to replicate was
>Haaton

Coco was very proud by the fact KiryuKai did her whole song for her (and didn’t charge, although she wanted them too and they should, to allow for KiryuKai without the same talent to be able to contribute at least with the SC money).
Haachama?
>Haaton made her OP song and animation
>Haaton made her ED song and animation
>Haaton made pretty much every short video of hers (both animation and MMD, which she masterfully edits and voices)
That plus the cosplay contests, the Minecraft contests, food contests, video contests.
Most if not everything she shows in her channel is either her playing games, singing or it’s made by Haaton and it’s a virtuous cycle that pulls in talented people (like REDAlICE) that seizes the chance to help their oshi while getting exposure.

Aki, as far as I follow, didn’t manage to get this much involvement by her audience. Same thing for these smaller companies and indies, the best thing their fans could do is
>make fan content

Numberfagging likewise, it may sound silly but even the putting your oshis name out there (out here) by highlighting their numerical strengths (even if relative) can help too. Like anons said, small company fans should complain less and start pumping out content

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>>5953171
>that they borrowed from the idol industry.
The “AKB74” comparison makes a lot of sense when people realize what was meant by that by then
>Where Sakura Miko project failed Hololive would succeed beyond anyone’s expectations by creating an ensemble instead of a main character and a cast of background side characters

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People are still throwing akas at the free chat, does playboard count those? Because it's possible she could end up passing 3 million by the time it ends.

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>>5953922
I'm gonna miss reddit review mogging.

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Anyone else feel like Coco's number today are so out of proportion with anything else they should be ignored? There is nothing to work with, no trends or connections, just random big numbers.

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>>5954181
Of course it's an absurd outlier, but today we learned what the ceiling of a vtuber stream is. It'd be silly to compare most other streams to it but it's incredibly useful data.

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>>5953994
You're right about this. One of the things that set Coco and Haachama apart was real audience engagement. Not just superchatting and maybe getting your message read.
You could make something, and your oshi could broadcast it. Use it as their intro, or BGM.

Of course everyone does that with thumbnails, and openings. But to really be acknowledged is a powerful motivator.

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>>5954181
>they should be ignored
Big number > small number. That’s the only context that matters in the numbers thread

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>>5953993
Sure thing Zhangchama. As if I'd stoop that low.

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>>5954283
given the state of this board the past day i would not be surprised

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>>5954273
>Of course everyone does that with thumbnails
Haachama almost always credited the thumbnail artist in the video description, specially the lewd ones. Many of the girls don’t always or don’t ever.
They’re not obligated to but the more appreciated an artist feels the more content he’ll produce

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>>5954181
it shows the perfect storm, whether or not it can be replicated anytime soon is a different story. It is the ceiling as we know it. You can ignore it yourself but its numbers that everyone will remember for a long while the same way the niji 189k sponsored stream was king and touted for so long, so will this be.

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>>5954181
It shows the peak power of Hololive at least, when everyone shows up to pay tribute to one of the most popular members. The numbers for the other holo girls might be buffed for the next week too as people remember to cherish their oshis.

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>>5954371
500k being the ceiling is far higher than I anticipated.

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>>5953994
An active fanbase makes a huge difference.
I don't recall anything too notable that the Rosetai do for Aki besides the usual fanart and clip a year ago that boosted her.

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>>5954441
I wonder if this will make any sort of ripple in terms of companies looking at Hololive.
Close to 500k live viewers and over $300k in SC is nothing to sneeze at.

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>>5954181
Graduation stream numbers are still valid the same way a national baseball team sponsored stream is. Nijifags loved rubbing that one in. This is just karma taking effect.

>Now I'll pleasure myself with Coco's numbers.

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>>5954487
https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/mmv7o6/a_little_request_for_reddit_aki_is_approaching/

I wouldn't say they do nothing. Rosetai are a small (for holos), but passionate group. The real reason Aki isn't nearly as popular as Hachama is moreso their content than their fanbases imo.

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>>5954455
It's actually far higher than that. I would argue that the true ceiling is at least in the 650k~760k range for live viewers. Remember, North America was asleep through most of this and they have the largest second market for Hololive viewership unless we have concrete collective numbers on the European one.

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>>5954673
Ark and MHR don't make for mainstream appeal I guess.
I'll be honest, I tried giving her a shot but most of her content outside of collabs at the time were ARK and Death Stranding. Both are games that are boring as fuck to watch if you don't play it (like APEX).

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>>5954824
stream also dropped a couple times, i think Cocos stream might have broken 500k if not for those few issues.

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>>5954654
I don't want to engage in tribalist console wars, but it is kinda funny to think of the guy in charge of Niji's "records" page watching Coco's dream and just sighing in resignation.
Of all things, Niji's website was bragging that they had the most watched livestream (baseball collab) and 3D livestream (was Kagami I believe, which was broken by Minato). Well now, the record for most concurrent viewers for a normal and 3D stream are both held by Hololive. I think numerically, the only record Niji still has left is the most livers. At least holo isn't beating that one any time soon.

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>>5954654
I know this isn't the place for this but I still feel uncomfortable using graduation numbers, especially since we had two big ones back to back. Seems merrier to shit fling about trivialities.

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>>5954570
>I wonder if this will make any sort of ripple in terms of companies looking at Hololive.
I hope so. The industry is still young, and I'm sure that within a year or two there will be a completely new competitor actually able to pull their weight. Or maybe 774 will just start inclining.

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>>5954862
>Ark and MHR don't make for mainstream appeal I guess.
Certainly not in the west. It is a well known fact that JRPGs and online RPGs don't hold well when presented to a third party. Like you said, boring to watch.

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>>5954862
I was moreso talking about personality and stream culture too. Like Hachama consistently tries to innovate her content and pushes for weird streams like lewd art review and cooking streams. Also has better game choice, playing FOTM games and Minecraft. I can't say for sure that Aki doesn't try to do the same, but every time I've tried to tune in, I lose interest almost immediately. Sorry Aki.

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What the fuck? Did Coco just break both the view record and superchat record?

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>>5955003
No, I am afraid every company will be like holo and that all the vtuber hopefuls with stars in their eyes will just gun for hololive.

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>>5955139
Could you really blame them?
They showed a working formula. I think some of the western groups are trying to imitate this as well now.

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>>5953793
>>5953899
>>5953922
>>5954972
>Niji Niji Niji Niji
They sure live rent free in your head for how hard Hololive is supposedly winning, Not even the graduation of your EOP pandering bitch was enough to make a dent in the Google trends JP rankings.

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>>5955272
Every single start up is trying to emulate hololive. NijiEN is trying some of that shit too.

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>>5955139
But that already isn't the case. Nijisanji, VShojo and some others already are mixed-gender groups and many others don't even follow the "seiso" culture that Hololive are starting to enforce more thoroughly (due to their own particular circumstances).

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>>5955376
I don't think the "seiso" element is all that important. The box-pushing model is.

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>>5955279
Look at the stats for niji tubers, and tell me how hard they are inclining.
I'll wait.

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>>5954972
They probably don’t care

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So some anon here mentioned that Covers financial report would come out this month. Does anyone know where it would be located?

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>>5955477
Yeah, that is the main thing. When one catches fire they all get the pick up.

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>>5955279
Hololive:
- holds every record that Niji used to brag about (Most subbed, most viewed, most viewers for livestream, most viewers for 3D stream)
- has 1/3rd the # of talents but has more total subs, total superchats, and total views.
- beats Niji consistently in nightly live viewers, with only 1 Niji cracking the top 5 of Holo
- Trends worldwide whenever events happen, unlike Niji which only trends in JP
- Just shattered the peak viewers record by 300k (albeit with a graduation)
- Recently beat Niji in pixiv fanarts too if that matters

Nijisanji:
- Gets more twitter likes sometimes
- More google searches in JP (?)

I'm not even going to point out that if you replace JP with international, Hololive would destroy Niji in google trends, you can take your small victories.

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>>5955600
>They probably don’t care
Yes, the company that put this shit on their website definitely doesn't care about numbers. It's not like they hired someone to make this page or anything to numberfag.

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>>5955997
Next week it will say "Company with most Kuzuha subcribers"

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>>5955997
Holy shit they even listed twitter trend achievements back then, that's pretty funny.
At least they can still claim most sold vtuber album in Japan right?
One of the "downsides" to Hololive's international audience is that Japanese sales ranking sites only list sales made in Japan/shipped to Japanese addresses (this is largely due to fuckery kpop fans did to always have their albums at #1)

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>>5954972
>I think numerically, the only record Niji still has left is the most livers.
They might not even hold that record for long since this agency (https://panora.tokyo/archives/28834)) debuted 100 VTubers and doing a 2nd round to recruit and debut 100 more.

[Anonymous No.]

Pekoshitters, don't look

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>>5955944
>- Recently beat Niji in pixiv fanarts too if that matters
Not that recent, hololive has been ahead of them for a while now.

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>>5956273
Who the fuck thought that debuting 100 VTubers and having 100 more to come was a good idea?

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>>5956440
They also don't stream on YouTube. They stream on some site called 17LIVE.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5956534
They are completely stupid or this is money laundering, there's no other explanation

[Anonymous No.]

>>5956797
Has to be the latter.
200 talents on a tiktok knockoff?
Most of the designs look like shit too

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>>5956278
Anon, that image doesn't do what you think it does...

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>>5955944
To make it more accurate
>Total views
Niji still leads this by a lot, mostly because they’ve been “popular” for an extra year.
>Recently beat Niji in pixiv fanarts too if that matters
A lot of artists don’t use pixiv anymore. Niji leads in azuregallery which tracks twitter art.

Don’t know why you put a (?) either. They pretty consistently get more google and youtube searches specifically in Japan. Internationally. Hololive in EN is about the same level as Niji in JP nowadays and leads Holo in JP, but Niji in EN obviously isn’t near Holo in JP.

[Anonymous No.]

so whats the point of numberfagging now

[Anonymous No.]

>>5957185
I see a lot of people saying Pekora is the most popular vtuber in Japan. That's not true, Kuzuha is as you can see by the image.

[Anonymous No.]

ibrahim is going to btfo of coco 300k

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>>5955997
They care about numbers the same way any other company does. Do you think the person who makes a chart for viewer statistics for something like Apex or League gets mad when another tournament gets higher viewership? About as stupid as thinking listing their current asset value on both the Cover and Anycolor sites is “numbers”.