vtuber agency boom

[Anonymous No.]

What's your opinion on the recent boom in western startup vtuber agencies? It used to just be Tsunderia, and then vshojo, but now in just half a year we got Prism Project, Kawaii, Phase Connect, Amber Glow, Heavenrend, Cyberlive, and probably a bunch more nobody ever heard of and one particular Malaysian one that isn't worth naming.
Do you think any of them have potential to grow big or are they all destined to fall into obscurity before Hololive and Nijisanji anyways?

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>>6113764
Call me when there's a single all male startup, then we can talk about oversaturation.

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>>6113764
I think most will not have the commitment

[Anonymous No.]

I think corporatization is always a bad thing.

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>>6113764
None of them have potential. If it weren't for saviourfags you wouldn't be hearing about them at all.

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>>6113764
There are plenty of small Japanese groups that have done fine over there so I expect these groups will be fine. A lot of them have some great talents, too.

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>>6113764
Unless they have the luck of god by their side, they'll never be the next hololive. They'll mostly ended up like Re:Act or something, with only one or two of their talent making it big

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>>6113805
Are you saying this because you think none of them have any good talents, or because fundamentally nobody can ever hope to find success regardless of any factors? Cause if it's the latter, Hololive wasn't always top dog either.

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>>6113890
Anonchama.. hololive literally has the god of luck by their sid, non will ever copying what happened to them.
The most realistic approach would be something like vshoujo. Having one or two established talent with big enough fanbase and influence so they can carry the rest of the talent in the group. Hololive was using this formula and they started out pretty good at that time.

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>>6113764
They will all stay irrelevant so who the fuck cares?

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>>6113764
I'd definitely say that Tsunderia, Prism Project, and Phase Connect definitely have the best legs to stand on outside of the big 3, but beyond that, I don't really know if it's truly sustainable. Prism Project seems to be profitable and does well despite having a very niche audience, so I'm guessing overhead isn't a very big concern.

I mean, realistically, most agency start-ups seem to be really straightforward in its execution. All it takes is one guy, start-up costing under $50k for rigging / art / etc., auditions, boom, agency where the girls stream when they're not working at their regular job or in school, take a small overhead fee, owner gets a cut of profits and no middle management to take profits away. I'd even argue that these small agencies, no matter how shady they may be, are infinitely more preferable than starting as a 2view, because even streaming to an audience of ~100 - 200 people is enough to build off of for a launching pad. Not to mention, the vtubers would have others in the same boat as them, which makes it easier to network and support one another. Starting as a true indie is really difficult, because even the most famous ones generally are affiliated with agencies or frequently collab with them to begin with. Just take a look at the vtuber tag on Twitch, there's literally hundreds of unaffiliated, agency-less vtubers with <10 viewers at any given time and I can guarantee that they definitely want to angle at getting into the graces of any agency, no matter how no-name they may be.

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>>6113764
Capitalism, ho!

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>>6114038
I care because I don't want them to be irrelevant and because there is a non-zero chance that hololive or nijisanji will either implode or slowly lose popularity

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>>6113764
>one particular Malaysian one that isn't worth naming
Get fucked Tsunderia manager. You know MyHoloTV is more popular than Tsunderia. They did nothing wrong. The whole second gen is just ungrateful little shits that don't want to play a character.

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>>6114074
That's a good point actually, since if the founder is patient and okay with waiting to break even, there's very little need to worry about operating costs past the models, since social media, streaming, etc. is provided either by the streamer or the website it's hosted on. There's definitely the issue of losing a talent and therefore income if there's not enough progress being made or the group stagnates, but it's honestly not that much money in the first place from a business standpoint. The average restaurant can take $100k+ to open with much higher operating costs and those frequently fail.

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>>6114208
Those bitch really did lilly dirty

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>>6113890
Yes, the latter. Times have changed now. The chances of another Hololive are microscopic. The only agency I've bothered looking at all talents of is Amber Glow, and I can say with certainty that they, at least, are ngmi.

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>>6114339
Maybe not Hololive levels of success, but at least enough to be on the radar like say NijiEN or VShojo. Most of the talents here are hovering around 100 live viewers, and some are making serious bank through superchats/donations.

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>>6114313
Please spell her name right at least anonchama...

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>>6114224
>>6114074
The real problem is that WHO is the one behind them? If it was just some rando with money and no connection whatsoever, they are bound to fail. The JP small agencies/group can managed themselves for years despite small audience cause they have wide enough connection to shill their chuubas on events, collabs, so they can expand their activities further. A good example is Vshoujo. They are a bunch established streamer hiring people with connection to manage them. Result, they got to collab with JPs biggest name and even get on stage with Kizuna Ai. Recently they even got sponsorship stream too.
Only big chuubas can get profits or making sc/donation as their main income. Smaller agencies ones MUST have connection to profit from sponsorship, mercs, and the likes.

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>>6113764
Kawaii has some pretty stellar talent, imo. In particular Charlotte, Nene, and Isla.

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>>6114208
>>6114313
SEAnigger hands typed these words
Let's assume that they left only because they didn't want to play a character and no other reason (which probably isn't true, but whatever). PapaHolo had a choice: let them all leave citing "ethical differences", lose 75% of your chuubas overnight leaving Lili by herself and killing your reputation in the EN market, or ease up on how strict you are with enforcing character acting. He made his choice, and Mio is far happier in Tsunderia which only makes him look worse. Don't blame them for capitalizing on your dumb as fuck decisions

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>>6113764
The biggest mistake all these agencies made is trying to emulate Hololive's model of all things. They will never be able to compete, or even siphon enough viewership to sustain themselves in the long run. Should've carved out a slightly different niche instead of offering what Hololive already offers big-time.

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>>6114562
Can't blame them when a model is proven to be a success. When taking a gamble I think it's understandable that you'll lean towards what's already proven to work as opposed to trying to carve out a brand new market that might not even exist.

>>6114534
>Isla
Based

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>>6114536
>Mio is far happier
She's also doing worse. In the time Mio was in MyHoloTV, she was getting almost 10k subscribers. Now? She barely even get 5k subs in about the same amount of time. Get fucked.

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>>6113776
Will we finnally have an agency operate like https://colyinc.com (colyinc is mostly mobile game stuff) that targeting same audience (fujoshi and yumejoshi) but with male vtuber? Maybe that could possible since fujoshi and yumejoshi is kinda big in japan. No idea if the same audience is available oversea (especially US and EU) tho.

Pic related since it's one of their character. Imagine the entire roster of one of their games (https://mahoyaku.com/character/)) is a vtuber group and you could see how it's maybe possible to have a male-only agency.

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>>6113764
The only way I see any of these startups see any growth is when they collab with hololive and hopefully leech.

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>>6114658
Intern-kun...

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>>6113764
competition is good, expect if you are US videogame industry in the 80s

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>>6113764
>Artemis
Debut weeks after holoEN. Leech Successfully profits
>Amatsuka
Debut weeks after HoloID. Leech Successfully profits.

If anything these new agencies are too early. should've just waited for a new holo gen in order to increase leach efficiency.

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>>6114833
I forgot to add that Artemis leeched off of Gura stragglers. While Uto leached off of Ame stragglers.

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>>6114658
>MyHoloTV keywords

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>>6114833
There's zero rhyme or reason for why Artemis grew so big so fast. Just came out of nowhere and got several tens of thousands of subs for free before even debuting; shit's unfair.

[Anonymous No.]

Pippa is literally the best chuuba in recent times. She's gonna grow a very nice dedicated niche for herself.
For the agencies, it simply depends on profit vs operating costs. If profit is enough to have talents make even minimum wage, its good enough to keep the agency afloat

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>>6113764
I don't know any of these but Vshojo so I assume they're not doing so hot.

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>>6114862
Uto also leeched off of Hololive keywords and metatags. She got them chink backers too.

Indies and startups should learn from Uto and start spamming Hololive metatags in their VODs or suck Zhang dick

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>>6114833
This. if agencies were serious about vtubing they would have blatantly copied everything about hololive to the bone. Have 5 Ame clones all illustrated by Nabi. This is how you win. Nijisanji is dumb as fuck for not thinking about this.

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>>6114912
Gura was at her peak in 2020. And Artemis was the new shark on the block. Most people who checked Artemis out were Gura stragglers. The same way most people who watch Uto are Ame stragglers.

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>>6114912
Artemis rode the coattails of Gura hype. They were spammed in Sharkgirl memes alongside Gura and Pikamee (lmao).

Had Artemis not been a shark nor Gura had been a breakout hit, they would have never gotten this much fanfare in the first place.

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>>6114663
Can you even find a sufficient amount of somewhat talented guys who can do a bishounen type impression to put together an entire agency?

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>>6113764
I haven't seen all of them but it seems to me that they aren't doing anything ground breaking so most likely a small cult following for 1 or 2 creators then failing to obscurity. As much as I dislike Gura and Ame they do things differently that changes the meta like the leg thing

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>>6114562
>>6114650
>The biggest mistake all these agencies made is trying to emulate Hololive's model
>Can't blame them when a model is proven to be a success
The problem is they dont. Hololive was starting with Sora, a vtuber on her fast climb to popularity at the time, shilling the other girl enough for them to get the initial push they needed. Re:Act did the same with Kyo and Leona, .LIVE with that horse dude, NotriPro with Tamaki, Mea with herself, Vshoujo with Melody, Mousey, and Nyanners, even Maha5 with that Andi dude, etc. This is the golden recipe, and anyone with enough connection should start and focus with shilling one or two talent to popularity, then they could expand into group. Or if you are a famous enough creator like gyari, you can shill your group urself.

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>>6115026
Not everyone has to be groundbreaking, you can just coast off of what works.

Take PriPro's Luto - she's literally just Australian Gura (with an avatar made by Nacho-mama to boot) and she's the most successful talent in PriPro by far. You don't have to be innovative to be successful.

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>>6114944
>Have 5 Ame clones all illustrated by Nabi.
I want to see this.

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>>6113764
dangerously based

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>>6113764
It's a naturally effective of the market economy for all these vtuber start ups to happen. It's actually relatively cheap, roughly about $200 to $400 (thousand) to get started. Seeing the prosperity in Hololive, they presume that they can do it too.

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>>6115018
Pikamee is a shark?

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>>6114562
vshojo is going with the toxic slut approach

Hmm, at what point will an agency go full porno?

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The real question is who mogs who, NijiEN 2 or HoloEN 2. It's time to sell on hololive in the west, no one likes them anymore and you can tell from the vtubing community that no talents want to join them.

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>>6115108
No, that's why it's hilarious

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>>6115120
>Hmm, at what point will an agency go full porno?
Anon, your agency reps.... there is already a self-claimed PG-18 agency, but audition process is still not done yet

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>>6114912
>There's zero rhyme or reason for why Artemis grew so big so fast.
you clearly weren't around for that time period. Artemis spent alot of money in trying to get the name out. He sent red superchats in pretty much all the holoEN's chat and also spent money on a truckload of promotional materials that were shoved in pretty much everywhere where vtubers are being discussed. There is a reason why no one has managed to replicate his success, and that's because most people do not have the 20-30 grand that artemis spent on his marketing campaign.

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>>6115158
>your agency reps
Not worth my time

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>>6113853
Hololive wasn't lucky, they're good.

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>>6115131
>no one likes them anymore and you can tell from the vtubing community that no talents want to join them
>no one wants to join the most successful Western Vtuber group to date

Take your meds

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Are Phase Connect and Prism any good? I usually hear about one talent from each and hardly a thing about the other girls.

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>>6115187
The girls who do will have a mark of shame from the western vtubing community. No one wants to work with or be in hololive. Have you ever noticed why there are no female holofans?

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>>6115131
headcanon discarded

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>>6115181
Well, in the beginning, a bit of luck is needed to find some early good talent, who are also stable enough.

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>>6115215
NijiEN 2 will average more live views at debut than HoloEN 2.

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>>6115181
They're good but they have to give credit to clips to get them out there, and that part is based in some luck.

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>>6115181
Hololive IS lucky. They literally have nothing of note during 2018-2019 that set them apart from Nijisanji or any other active agencies during that time.

The only reason why they even had a sudden boost in popularity was because they were featured in Azur Lane (I always wonder why Nijisanji never gets featured in games like these) and the sudden influx of memes and translated clips from the Chinese (which Nijisanji themselves are not short of)

The Youtube algorithm just one day decided to shove Hololive clips into everyone's throats. No one knows why the the AI decided to suggest Hololive clips over say Nijisanji.

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>>6115206
Phase connect is pretty stacked. Prism gen 3 has some potential.

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>>6115206
Prism is just the Luto show and Phase connect is just one big shrug.
If you want a serious answer though go ask in their respective generals, they are one of the three western agencies that are blessed with a persistent general on /vt/

[Anonymous No.]

As a contrast, how did the YouTuber / Twitch streamer market never develop in a way such that agencies were necessary for promotion?

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>>6115024
Worth a try since we don't know what will happen in the future. There's many gay males, bi males,... and even straight males that could give good impression to satisfy the fujoshi and yumejoshi audience but we literally don't know who or where they are and how to recruit or even convince them to become vtuber yet since everything is still so new so probably.

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>>6115227
Yeah just like how NijiEN will get 40-60k viewers on debut right?

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>>6115227
meds, not shitting on Niji, but they don't have even close to the presence hololive has overseas to suddenly overtake the next HoloEN gen

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>>6114867
>implying tags matter
Lmao. Get fucked Miori. MyHoloTV and lily is way more popular.

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>>6115181
>prepare Botan to be another bridge to China
>lose China
>magically capture the Slav audience with no effort

>make no efforts into Korea
>one shitpost meme
>now the dominant vtubing company in Korea despite Nijisanji having an entire branch there

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>>6115255
As in IRL streamers? Don't they form pseudo groups all the time? I think some even move in together in big houses and all that.

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>>6113764
80-90% of these will run out of steam and die.
The ones that has an actual shot, and don't seem like an afterthought are probably Vshojo(already well established), and maybe Prism Project. But past that, I don't see the others take off at any capacity, past the "new and exciting" stage of viewership.

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>>6115210
What western vtubing community? You mean the 2views who spend their time moral grandstanding on twitter? Or the retards who think that by virtue of putting "envtuber" in their twitter profile they are now a respected member of the vtubing community and can start dictating what is and isn't acceptable? Those retards?

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>>6115073
Luto has literally no similarities to Gura beyond sharing Nacho mama and being bratty. Yeah that's probably what got the most eyes on her, but otherwise they're hardly comparable.

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>>6115254
Is Phase Connect the one with the dog that has one eye covered by hair and a bow over it?

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>>6115294
People are sick of Hololive and NijiEN is looking better and better to everyone. NijiEN has the backing of the western vtubing community and no one would fault anyone for joining them, unlike hololive.

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>>6115337
Shiki is Prism Project

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>>6115294
This is advanced rrat prepping. He spams now so he can call himself out in the future.

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>>6115304
Intern-kun spend some of the money papaholo is paying you on subtly lessons

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>>6115181
they're not 100x better than their peers. Ame went from 100 viewers to 10,000 overnight, that is the power of marketing and brand recognition.

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>>6115325
Probably. And let's be honest, how many 2views or vtweeters would say no to Cover if they had a chance?

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>>6115337
No, Phase connect is this. If you are talking about who I think you're talking about, that's Shiki from Prism project.

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>>6115354
Ah my bad

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>>6113764
Why do we put Vshojo in here? They are fundamentally a different type of company.

> didn't start the talents from scratch
> more of a sponsorship management company than operations

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>>6115163
All of these just for her to throw it and not stream afterwards. If only she was consistent and dedicated enough from the get go, she would be in or near the millon club rn.

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>>6115382
Yeah I made the mistake there. I gotta learn some of these names.

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>>6115382
>the most boring one has the most subs
Many such cases. Sad.

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>>6115380
Even Natasha "I hate lolicons" Nyanners sucked Cover dick when she was given the opportunity.

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>>6115181
i'm holofag, but that's not funny at all

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>>6115338
Did your vtweeter buddies tell you this?

[Anonymous No.]

Kawaii production got some big assets though

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>>6113764
>or are they all destined to fall into obscurity
this.

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>>6115073
I said there would be a few that gain by using the same stick but it's not going to be as big as the bug three corps

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>>6115382
Huh. For all the fanfare surrounding Pippa, I always thought she had the most subs.

Never knew the homeless bear would be the popular one.

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>>6115311
>I think some even move in together in big houses and all that.
Isn't that how the countdown to when the entire group starts falling apart begins every time?

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>>6115338
I would love to see examples of this that isn't Lost Pause or Veibae

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>>6115255
Well, because Machinima was a thing and that ended up souring western opinion on such companies.

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>>6115460
Lost Pause hates Hololive? But didn't he make Hololive content just a few weeks ago?

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>>6115433
Sometimes the most vocal fanbase isn't the majority, I saw anons saying that Tenma was the only good one after the first few streams and she ain't even second.

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>>6115433
Everyone but iori got hit by susan and had lots of subs deleted. Realistically they might have more if it weren't for susan.

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>>6115338
>>6115210
>>6115131

Cope Vtweetard
>(You) Will Never Be Popular
>(You) will never join holo or niji or any agency
>(You) will never get 3digit live view

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>>6115436
Yep, without fail.

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>>6115479
Yes, unless he forgot that he made an entire video shitting on Hololives talents with the same arguments as Veibae

[Anonymous No.]

They are destined to fail. Worst of all you can have girls from those companies try to get into auditions from the big two which is a blow to those smaller companies.

Problem is that streaming won't pay for itself until you get the viewers thus you need another job to pay the bills. Another problem is that if you don't stream as consistently you won't get picked up by the algorithm as much, lose people's attention, and have less avenues to make money because people tend to tip while you stream more so than when you aren't.

I generally have a hard time getting into the girls that speak English, but there are few spazzes that I do enjoy. I do know they probably won't get anywhere regardless of how much I try to "save" them.

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>>6114944
>Nijisanji is dumb as fuck for not thinking about this.

And (You)r dumb as fuck for even suggesting it.

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>>6115531
He did? Anyone got a link of Lost Pause shitting on Hololive?

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>>6115420
Nene Amano assets are my favorite.

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>>6115555
you only need to search "lost pause hololive", below his recent videos reacting to them he has some older ones

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>>6115181
Many vtubers and/or agency are "good" like Hololive was good, but you need to be good AND have a lot of luck, to make it, in general.

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>>6115555
Here is one that i found
https://youtu.be/XSG3U629QAI

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>>6115533
Anon-kun, the change to get picked up by algorithm is next to 0 with all these influx of these holoclipper faggots posting hundreds of clips 24/7.

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>>6115599
If that were true then why did Hololive get all the luck? I mean did they do nothing to earn being a monolith in the west despite have 5 EN members?

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>>6114208
But why no one talk about MyHoloTv??

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>>6115630
give up intern-kun

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>>6115255
The absolutely do exist, pretty much the only big streamer/content creator on youtube that exists solely by themselves with no help what so ever is Pewdiepie, and that's mostly because he's got fuck you money and is mostly just streaming for fun now. It's just that in the west, companies like that tend to remain in the background supporting the talent while the talent himself uses his face or whateverto promote himself, rather than in japan where it is the company that handles most of the promotion which then trickles down to their talents.

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>>6115630
>>6114208
Reminder MyHoloTV became a meme on /wvt/ because their intern kept going in the thread to ask why no one was talking about MyHoloTV when they were talking about Tsunderia
Just look at that backlog https://desuarchive.org/_/search/text/why%20myholotv

[Anonymous No.]

How often are small company vtubers /here/? I know most indies aren't.

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>>6113764
They need clipfags and viraling to even stand a chance.

Holo got big on things like Miko's nigga incident back in like 2019, which was basically the epitome of /v/ type humor and would never EVER have been officially made/condoned by Cover itself or any Western viral marketer actually-paid to try to come up with shit that'll catch fire. Fubuki Scatman, Korone's Eekum Bokum etc also rode things onward - things nobody really would have known would blow up, but they did.

I think Pika got pretty big based just on clips, in particular this Mario one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRFPsFu4P-s has almost half a mil views now - more than all but two, TWO than any of Pikamee's actual VODs in existence on her channel.

Funny tweets don't make for clip material. They need to be like that on-stream - either unbelievably cute like Korone/Fubuki viraling, or just funny like Pikamee, Pekora and Korone (again). Part of the Holo viral cuteness is that Engrish just sounds either adorable or hilarious (or some combination of them) from certain people and English natives don't have that buff of having an adorable accent. So it makes sense to go for humor although I think they'll get there eventually with cuteness. Gura has lots of random clips just because her voice/behaviors are so goddamn cute sometimes, so it is possible to get that kind of vibe speaking English although I think humor is more reliable. At least in Phase I can see Pippa can eventually get something viral but I dunno about the others from there.

One thing I am real, real fucking sick of is people going "cute dork!!!" at even the fucking most plain-jane boring ass English chubbas, whether they're a 2view, 200view or 2000view etc. Did you fucks ever consider that if you take any girl off the street who is even OK with anime/Japanese culture, forbid her from being bitchy annoying ragging about politics, her boyfriend or gossiping about random shit, that what you're left with is going to be someone generally-tolerable -even if they normally aren't-? Most every chuuba is going to be fucking "cute dork" material when they're operating in an environment where they're purposefully trying not to polarize because it's career suicide. They'd have to go out of their way to not give that kind of air just by default. They need something more than that if they don't have ideal voices/designs (which few if any in these small outfits have), and many don't fucking have that something-more, not enough at least to not just get carried to fame anyway by association like any Holo/Niji will. That is all.

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>>6115655
>pippa in phase
>slugma in tsunderia
>misaki and the asp from cyber
>luto in prism

im willing to bet all startups have at least 1 or 2 members that lurk if not bump

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>>6115630
Because MyHoloTV don't have 4chan fans. It's a SEA agency. Very hard to get white/japanese people interested.

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>>6115655
Well Pippa is confirmed at least but you probably know that already.

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>>6115630
Going forward, any agency name that includes "Holo" or "Live" is bound to flop, because they presume to ride Hololive's coat-tails.

LIVE especially since it was a flopped agency to begin with.

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>>6115654
Just imagine how bad you have to be in order to get on the blacklist for Reddit, twitter, and 4chan at the same time.

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>>6113805
Don't forget the groomers. We all know the only people who watch bottom level indie tier chuuba are the Saviorfags and Groomers.

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>>6115473
Oh right, I forgot about them. I thought their content was shit.

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>>6115625
Most people only get exposed to Hololive and simply stay with them.

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>>6115689
There's a sea tuber general and even they make it a point to shit on myholo whenever it gets brought up, it goes beyond just disinterest

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>>6115741
And the only people who watch holos are ironic anime normalfag fans and idolfag paypigs. Your point?

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>>6113764
>Do you think any of them have potential to grow big
Sure but an agency has to be brave enough innovate and differentiate themselves from the pack. They need to stop waiting for Cover, AC, VShojo to be the ones to push the meta.

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>>6115433
It could just be susan fucking them inconsistently, but I think Pippa probably get's a lot more attention here proportionally, and it shouldn't really come as a surprise why. Trash bear is very musically talented while coming off as laid-back, I wouldn't be surprised if she's getting a lot of attention elsewhere for it.

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>>6115625
Fubuking has always been high spec. You can even find early /vyt/ posts about how FBK is just too good at everything.
The true success is probably casting a very wide net with different talents like lewd ASMR to retro game marathons to soccer watch alongs and getting good new talent from niconico through the talents connections

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>>6115625
That's usually how it goes in most markets, 90% of the audience/buyers are taken by a few companies. Being among the first also help a ton.

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>>6115764
>even they make it a point to shit on myholo whenever it gets brought up
Give up slugma. No one cares for tsunderia. The sea vtuber thread never even mentions that. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6115814
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle

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>>6113764
I don't see it. But that doesn't mean none of them will hit it big, it just won't be because of anything the agency does.
Maybe it's possible to recruit someone talented and "make" a big streamer, but I really don't think this has been proven. The big agencies lean hard on the brand their old talents built, and none of them really contributed to whatever luck or unique content their talents pulled out to catch the lightning the first time. If there's some kind of proof that this initial x-factor can be made through an agency's contributions, I haven't seen it. Would we be talking about Niji and Holo as the big two of this era without Mito and Sora?
That's not to say an agency is useless, they'll have a baseline equal to their brand, which is usually higher than starting with nothing as an indie, and they help with the grind and with stability and presence, which is what's needed to capitalize on an opportunity. But the question is, do they inherently contain the potential to "grow big". I say no. If I see an agency that's managed to create their own opportunities, then I'll be happily proven wrong.

Vshoujo's model where they only sign talents after they're already famous is more reliable and has been used by western talent agencies representing streamers for decades. But the avenues to profit from that model, or to grow it as a creatively linked cohesive brand, are far more limited. It's not a space you can easily run a startup in, Vshoujo itself is lucky they were first to market in the west.

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>>6115181
Let me enlighten you on how Sora/Hololive/cover has the god of luck by their side
>Sora, an A-tier idol material, knocking in cover door and started using their studio and tech
>Christmas Miracle. Siro, one of the most popular chuba at the time having a tech problem and somehow all her viewer move over to Sora who was streaming at the same time, kickstarted her fast inclined to popularity
>On her first sponsored stream which was a quiz show, there was a connection problem and the question was too hard but one soratomo answered it all and everything ended up well
>a week before cover receive their initial invesment for starting Hololive group/gen 1, Hitomi Chris happened which was the first and biggest controversy on the industry but holo ended up get by just fine
>migo's nigga moment, FBK's and Korone's meme gone viral followed by other series of viral clips, and algorithm is on their side ever since
>holoEN blew up larger than everyone expectation
>taiwan happened, a big enough incident to end a whole agency but gain more popularity instead
The rest is history

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>>6115866
Don't forget the timing of the pandemic locking everyone indoors to consume content

[Anonymous No.]

>>6115674
Clippers don't clip good moments; they clip outrageous, lewd, funny out of context moments that make you look like a dumbass. It's kind of difficult to set those up without actually making it your persona, like what vshojo does.
Also you could be doing everything "right" but it might not matter because whether or not people even click on you is a roulette.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6115284
HoloEN2 will not get more than 20k on debut.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6115866
Pretty sure Siro told her viewers to go watch Sora while she was fixing the technical issues

[Anonymous No.]

>>6114944
Prism tried that, with some degree of success, but not on the level of Uto. There were other factors contributing to Uto's success.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6115982
I do not know much about prism but I felt like some of the new girls were gachikoi baiting.

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>>6115866
>>6115947
Hololive really had everything going for it. Luck, being in the right place at the right time, and having great talents. Shame about the management shitting the bed occasionally but that almost seems normal for this industry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6115982
uto has more mass appeal than luto. normies would rather listen to a cute japanese angel than a bratty aussie gremlin

[Anonymous No.]

>>6115977
>*Record scratch* *Freeze frame*
>at that time I had no idea what would happen
At least Siro went happily into the sunset eventually. I would have strangled Sora in the crib though.

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>>6115181
>Hitomi Chris
>Aloe
>Copyright issue
>China/Taiwan
They went through all of this and not only survived, their EN branch blew up and now they're one of the most popular companies in the industry. That's a lot of luck

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>>6115982
>>6116035
In the early stages Uto had no issue flaunting her connection to Amelia, whereas Luto doesn't like being compared to Gura and doesn't want to look like a leech according to the prism thread

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>>6115960
In other words,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TCX90yALsI

However some of the most successful people I've known have admitted while yes, part of it was just pure luck for them, one of the most memorable retorts was "yes it's luck, but, you can make your luck." in other words do everything you can to try to get that lucky roll instead of throw up your hands and assume you have no say in your own story.

So yeah, basically they will need to engineer their personalities to get more of those abnormally amusing moments. Many chuubas start off kind of bland but over time develop a feel for it and kind of flanderize themselves into more of whatever is getting positive audience response, either by accident or design. Korone and Pekora were fucking nothing like what they eventually became when they initially started, etc. For ones like Prisms, many of them have had some time to turn into something more notable but haven't. Kana, well, fucked off on her own and that was that. Phase are too new and most of them are just in the "blah" zone of neither being horrible nor super-great. Pippa is trying though and I think with some refinement she could make it, although I would say some parts of her seem too rehearsed like her laugh is too fake/trademarked-sounding. You want that Ayame giggle that's universal; things like the Peko laugh don't just work for everyone. Squealing/kettles etc is also kind of derived too, that's so Pikamee's thing now etc. We'll see. They're all not that far off from each other in subs and it really doesn't mean much; Noel was the leader when Holo Gen 3 was new for example and Peko was the runt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6115682
If Misaki is in here doesn't that mean someone is eligible to get GR2'd?

[Anonymous No.]

How long until they start collabing with one another?

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>>6116087
>try to create Korean branch
>no Korean-based company bites
>random shitposter makes a meme about your detective character solving a high profile case
>suddenly have an influx of Korean viewers despite not having a Korean branch

You can't make this shit up

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>>6114001
what the fuck are you talking about

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116183
Idk im piss druck

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116146
They basically already are. Prism and Tsunderia did a huge amogus collab, and all of these companies are in each other's twitter feeds and youtube chats.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116146
already happening

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>>6115181
After what happened with the shitposting dragon, China, and Botan Yagoo should take up gambling. He's the luckiest motherfucker on earth right now.

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>>6116146
Prism and Tsunderia already did a big Among Us collab with all their streamers (minus Purin because I think she was graduating high school that day, and Urara but she isn't really a streamer anymore). There's also a rumor that Aoi and Miori are about to release a duet in five days
https://twitter.com/AoiTokimori/status/1411614196207210496/photo/1

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>>6116146
It's been a bit sparse on that front so far, there's mostly just been collabs of Prism with Tsunderia and Shirayuri Pro. Everyone else hasn't really been established enough individually to collab much but with all the noise between them on twitter and in stream chats don't think we're far off seeing it become more common.

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>>6116232
This just made me think HoloEN, NijiEN and Vshojo all have people that interact and follow each other to at least some extent. But none of them really interact with these start-up corps that I know of.

[Anonymous No.]

Literally the only agencies that matter are Hololive, Nijisanji and VOMS in Japan and vshoujo in the west. The rest gets how many views per stream? 100 max? If a dozen more of them pop out within the next week they will just get even less noticed and have an even harder time to succeed.

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>>6116266
Meant to reply to this
>>6116221

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>>6116266
>But none of them really interact with these start-up corps that I know of.
there is nothing to gain from it other than charging rratmancers

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>>6116266
I never see holoEN interact with niji

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>>6116221
From what I've heard there's a decent amount of communication between the small vtuber agency scene, but that shouldn't be surprising to anyone, they'll work together as long as it's mutually beneficial. I expect to see a lot of crossover between these agencies in the future.

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>>6116285
Depends what you mean with 'matter'.
Size, profit and sponsorships? Yes.
Producing worthwhile content? No.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116305
This. When you get to a certain level of fame, there's just no reward to balance out the risk to your brand. And let's face it, Hololive's brand is worth more to it than their chuubas at this point

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116317
Mori and Amelia follow some of NijiEN

Althought mostly the Nijis tweet at them but Mori and Ame they never reply

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>>6116266
That's because those are all big and they have no reason to interact with small fry. Actually, it's downright detrimental and that's why Amelia and Gura are so apprehensive to outside collabs.
The small fry are the ones who need exposure, and that's why they're so focused on networking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116244
Shirayuri is a shitty hololive larp group. Handicapped anon if you think they're a real agency and put them on the same level as Tsun and Prism...

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116266
People would scream about leeching

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>>6116317
https://twitter.com/moricalliope/status/1400100373776388108
https://twitter.com/takanashikiara/status/1400876827258855426
quite a few of them mutually follow too I think

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>>6116285
VOMS doesn't matter at all, they are a ridiculously popular semi-indy circle.

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>>6116266
Ironically it's HoloID who are the friendliest from what I've seen, not that it's much. Ollie follows a bunch of the talents and Moona had a collab with the rest of the Nyori sisters which included Iku.

>>6116355
While they're not really a serious contender, as far the cross-agency collabs we've had so far go you kind of have to grasp a bit.

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Makes me wonder why no one has tried a more corporate version of VOMS and just spent whatever is necessary to buy a big indie and build a supporting cast around them. Heck, give them part ownership. It feels more reliable than building from scratch to retain full control, but never having a pillar to draw in viewers except by luck. Maybe there just aren't any indies worth looking at in the current EN market.

[Anonymous No.]

My biggest worry is that HoloEN2 is going to crush all of them to dust once they come out. It's already hard enough to get new viewers, and most people are going to choose Hololive anyways.

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>>6116397
what is the actual deal with VOMS?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116423
Isn't this what vshojo did? They just took the biggest western indies and grouped them under one banner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116424
HoloJP gens haven't stopped the JP indy scene so it'll be fine over here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116351
>>6116370
Collab when?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116424
probably a 50% drop for 2-4 weeks, after that it will go back
maybe sooner, its not as cataclysmic of an event as the EN debut

[Anonymous No.]

>>6115181
you kicked a hornets nest with that one mate

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116473
Maybe if NijiEN grows more. Although I guess its not impossible, they're around or slightly above the popularity of Pikamee probably and she was OK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116473
The companies have a working relationship so it shouldn't be too far off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116424
the talent popping up in startups are already holoen2 quality. uruka for example could easily have been in holo if she had any prior content creation experience. startups will do fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116424
Yeah, I think between the Coco drama and EN already starting to close in on a year now with only ID2 as their kouhai, Cover is fucking weaker now than it has ever been in terms of hype train. No gen6, no vsingers, no en2 on the horizon - just bad news, more bad news, more stupid drama shit from China, more breaks and depression. NijiEN isn't huge but I mean they're all 100k+ now which is a fucking lot more than can be said for the agencies of this thread and so did make a small dent I think.

However I think it's possible that Cover will just reverse that headwind soon and once they do, yeah they'll be on fire again. They barely have to fucking try - just bring in something new, anything, their name is so goddamn huge now, and they'll be back on track. I don't know why they're dragging their fucking feet so hard on Gen6, they really could use it right now. The English side will be set with vsinger/EN2 but they seem to just be resting on their laurels on the JP end even though they're winning vs most Niji girls without even fucking trying now (Niji dudes are strong as ever but many of their girls' viewership is stagnant or declining).

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116353
>Actually, it's downright detrimental
Is it really that bad?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116447
Basically the same as Vshoujo, a bunch of friends or aquintances from the same circle working together with Gyari as their group leader and decision maker. They were originally only commisioned gyari for model but hit it off then create a group with Gyari's name become the guarantor for their brand name

[Anonymous No.]

>>6115982
Three reasons:
1. Prism never went full on leech tactics ex. metatags, consistently bringing up sister connection, consistently talk about Hololive members, and shilling her in hlgg / reddit.
2. Gura is the worst person to leech of off.
3. The controversy around Uto has made vtuber fans aware of shameless leeching of off Hololive members.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116558
what could holo possibly dig up that would be new on the scene?

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>>6116559
It's not "that bad", it's just there's nothing to be gained from associating with 2views. If anything it just makes people much more likely to annoy you. But hypothetically, if one of those indies turns out to be a yab machine, it's better not to get into a situation where you have to publicly renounce them just to cover your own ass.

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>>6116424
NijiEN is going to release 7 more girls and 3 guys in the next year. That will do more damage than HoloEN 2 will. It isn't because HoloEN 2 will do worse than nijiEN, it is because there will only be 5 of them competing for hololive fans. The English market is split into hololive fans and not hololive fans, startups and nijiEN eat from the same bowl. HoloEN eats from the much larger hololive bowl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116559
It's highly risky. Getting associated with some rando you never met irl is risky for ur name in case they do something stupid and you get caught up in it. JP can do this since they can meet the chuuba irl or their circle to know what kinda person they are. EN scene is too big and wide and bothersome for holo to do their rep on every them indies. Tuning in their stream or liking their tweet is enough to support them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116572
>a bunch of friends
I too get fired from my friend group without any explanation to my fans

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>>6116558
It's probably them finding it hard to time the debut with Coco's Graduation having just happened. If I remember correctly, Coco gave at least 2-3 months notice for her graduation so they couldn't really introduce another gen without Coco's situation putting a damper in the hype train for EN2. I do fully expect them to announce something this month.

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>>6116604
They're generally good at finding diamonds in the rough. It also doesn't need to be like everyone has to be super-talented at singing or drawing etc from now on. Nene is at like 16k right now just playing Minecraft. It's a regular minecraft stream, nothing special. She was the utter runt for a while and still lags a lot behind other Gen 5 but has caught up and really built herself up into something just by being a very consistent streamer, lots of audience engagement and being extra cute. They tend to find good people from Gen3 on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116558
Why are people acting like we don't expect the new Gen late this month or the next month?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116698
>reading comprehension

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>>6116650
Do you follow NijiEN? There's definitely an overlap with holofans there. You get people with holo related names in the chats, doing hololive memes and stuff all the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116730
Nothing like what happened to VOMS will ever happen to VShojo, they are indies which i doubt VOMS are

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116722
We just don't know how big a buffer they're giving themselves from the Coco thing. I mean some think EN was rushed out early just to cover for Aloe so maybe a similar thing will happen here, but we just don't know for sure until it occurs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116353
Ame and Gura are spergs who barely have the social skills to interact with their own genmates. Anybody outside of that would be very difficult for them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116720
Once I actually gave indies and these small corpos a chance I realized that there are a ton of fantastic English vtubers out there. It's just a shame that vshojo and artemis are the face of the western scene and that's why /hlgg/ has a seething hatred for everyone on this side, and holds Cover's scouting department to such a high degree.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116675
This is why Pikamee gets passed around like a HS slut, she's entertaining and uncontroversial.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116745
by the time male debuts happened at niji, most will move to smaller brands tho, niji can't understand western demands at all

[Anonymous No.]

>>6113764
It's good news as they will act as a gate way drug for more people to the rabbit hole that is hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116745
Pomufags aren't people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116821
Other way around, Hololive is what most people see first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116814
I don't understand the appeal for niji's male vtuber audtion. There's certainly a market for it especially fujos, but what's stopping people to just watch normal irl streamers instead?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6114918
Pippa is niche

[Anonymous No.]

>>6115056
Tsunderia did that with Kana.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116807
Cuz Gyari's rep guarantee her safe and clean for use like a good pimp he is

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116650
I kinda agree somewhat. HoloEn 2 is always is going to take the lions share of viewers just because they're part of the Hololive brand. They're the alpha so they basically get to eat first. Next would have been Vshoujo but since they don't do standard debuts and just recruit already established talent, they don't present the same problem for small agencies like Holo or Niji does. NijiEn is in the process of trying to be 3rd in line when it comes to the Western scene so them debuting new talents will definitely cause a more noticeable shift since they possibly will be taking more of the crumbs that HoloEn would be leaving behind. But I don't think that the brand is entrenched enough in the west that another company can't suddenly bump them off or at least give them some competition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116457
Kind of, but Vshoujo is a different business model. Plus Vshoujo was lucky the western indies were all the same clique, because recruiting a bunch of existing streamers while keeping a brand in mind shouldn't have been that easy. And they don't have a HL-style unifying creative vision and likely never will.

I'm not saying recruit a group. I'm saying bring in one existing big indie with heavy buy-in for being a leader of something new (note: such a person doesn't exist and possibly never will). It's unusual, but I would say it's been proven in the youtuber and streamer scenes. One person who made it big promotes their friends and brings them into their creative vision until they're similar tier and basically attached at the hip. Can it be done by an agency? I think there's a bigger chance of success than any of the who-tier agencies trying to start from zero.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116868
It's a huge asset in Asia, their fans are like those typical boyband fans, it's crazy. Which is why one well known clipfag of niji is literally named "kpop???" that's how similar they are. But niji have no idea about west-east cultural difference, what's ok for CN,ID,JP and to some extent KR won't do the same in the west, that's why I'm confident local western start-ups will put NijiEN into dissolution real soon

[Anonymous No.]

>>6115120
>Hmm, at what point will an agency go full porno?
https://twitter.com/hlive_en?lang=en

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116899
That's the problem with doing that. They either get popular enough that they go indie or get poached and now you're set back.

[Anonymous No.]

I will just say it as it is, vtubers need to branch out more into the mainstream to avoid cannibalizing themselves by bringing a bigger audience in from outside this niche within a niche

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116814
Why didn't they move already? The girls have already collabed with male vtubers I think 3 or 4 times by now and it didn't seem to get a negative reception.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116899
Kana had no idea what she was getting herself into. The difference between her and Sora or Mea is that Kana never wanted to be a huge star. She has severe anxiety issues that leave her almost completely incapable of interacting directly with anyone that isn't a fan, and even then she questions their motivations for talking to her. Sora had dreams of being an international superstar, whereas Kana just wants her comfy little den of fleas
It's a shame that Tsunderia had an easy route to EN dominance taken away from them like that, but they're still chugging away and their content is still top tier. If nothing else, the fact that Tsunquest is getting new outfits before Kana despite joining almost a year after her debut shows that there are marked advantages to being in an agency, even a startup

[Anonymous No.]

>>6117007
There's no point anyway, because girls would easily lean to Kpop Idols instead of Male streamers/vtubers that sings and do covers of popular songs. Kuzuha and Kanae is no different that male streamers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116821
>>6116848 is right. There are exceptions, but the company vtubers are usually close to hololive and nijisanji content so they dont attract completely new audiences.
Probably arttubers and autistic gamers like batat who does 80 hour marathons are the most likely to bring more into the general VTuber sphere.

[Anonymous No.]

vtubers seem to be profitable somewhere around the 100K subscriber mark (or even below that) judging by old Hololive, Holostars and Nijisanji.
So while noone is going to make it anywhere near as big as the established companies, I don't see why they can't grow enough to make money.
And yes I know subscriber count isn't directly related to income, but it's fine for a very rough estimate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6117273
Might be even lower than that, but that would highly depend on live viewers and how willing they are to shell out cash on stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>6117357
Prism has definitely shown that you can have <100 viewers and still be profitable if you have oil barons in the chat that like what they see, but they're really the only ones that's working for. The wider the net, the more likely it is to reel in the whales

[Anonymous No.]

>>6117003
This. This is the the best game plan. Too bad the EN side of vtubers audience is still small compare to JP hence why we dont see any big indie around, big enough to kickstart a whole agency whort of talent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6117273
Actually I kind of doubt that they require that much money to be profitable in the first place. Like for instance you have Africat who's been around since the tail end of last October and she's gotten around $25k in superchats, despite hovering around like 50-60 viewers on average.
Then you have gachi magnets like the Prism girls. Rita for instance makes stupid amounts of money for how few viewers she gets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6117419
The problem with that kind of business is all they need to do is piss off a few people and they are left with nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6115433
- Homeless bear is the most talented EN
- Lia, second place EN, has big tits

nothing surprising here

[Anonymous No.]

>>6117020
Too bad anon it will took forever for the western or overseas scene to enter the mainstream like the vtuber in Japan. Unless the vtuber affiliated or have connection with JP corpo, they will never go mainstream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6117454
The bigger problem is that, as a company, you have to actually offer the initial chuuba some big incentives for them to even accept your proposal. VShojo did it because the two founders were already YouTube famous, wealthy, and had entertainment connections. Unless Markiplier is looking to get into the chuuba game, the number of people that fit those qualifications is even slimmer than the talent pool they'd be choosing from

[Anonymous No.]

>>6115649
There's a tier below pewds like Forsen or XQC that somehow manage to keep a shitload of subs/viewers as well, they just get popular and manage to be entertainig enough to keep a dedicated audience

[Anonymous No.]

>>6117455
Kitanya has been streaming for a lot longer than that. Her current model is her third. It's just the first one that gained her any traction, and she's deleted/privated everything before it. If I remember correctly, she's been streaming for almost two years at this point, so you have to keep in mind that she struggled for over a year and had to buy/rig three different models before achieving any sort of revenue for her efforts

[Anonymous No.]

>>6115248
Stop erasing history. Nijisanji was being posted along with Holo back in the early days of 2020, but they just filtered the crowd hard and didn't try pander to westerners, so the algorithm dropped them and so did a large part of the clippers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6117589
True. No big talent will willingly joined some rando startup with no connection or anything to offer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6117678
This shows how important FBKing, Korone, and Coco at the time. They take full advantage of the timing and pandering hard to wave of overseas audience that came to check them out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116704
Guaranteed Gen 6 or EN 2 announcement by the end of this month, screencap this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6117020
I think Holo EN 2 debuts are the only thing that might have that power. If the debuts go really well there will probably be a lot of media buzz about it.
I worry about your point in relation to Niji though. People that know about them probably already know about Holo, you can already see this just by looking at names in chat and twitter.
Niji already is auditioning for 2 more waves and its only been a month and a half since their first wave came out. Niji isn't big enough yet to touch Holo but they are large enough that bringing in a bunch of new livers will drown out these smaller companies and also possibly hurt their existing EN livers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6117011
will the logo and name be a problem with hololive?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6115674
>They need clipfags and viraling to even stand a chance.
There's a problem anon. These startup agencies want clippers to do it for free, not realizing that their talent has to be good clickbait. Some don't have he looks or personality to provide good clickbait. On top of that, agency clippers don't clip spicy Yab's.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6113764
>>6113805
>>6115420

I unironically believe Kawaii will be the biggest English vtuber company soon. Just wait. They got that Hololive charm about them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6117852
HLive is backed by Motherfucking Eilene. Nobody can touch her. Also .Live exist and I think they are earlier than Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6118034
for being so important their twitter looks as popular as a vtweeter

[Anonymous No.]

>>6118021
They have that same ultra-seiso (but maybe not under the surface hint hint wink wink) and comfy/safe vibe to them, but other than the jiggle physics they seem pretty unremarkable. Isla is a good-to-great singer, but that's about it

[Anonymous No.]

>>6118021
i doubt that unless they manage to create a new and unique niche for themselves

[Anonymous No.]

>>6118021
Literally all of these groups are Hololive Lite. Kawaii is good, Nene in particular, but not so remarkable that I'd put them above everyone else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6115967
delusional

[Anonymous No.]

>>6119261
He's just a new troll fishing for (you)s

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that if you donate to non-indie vtubers youre giving your hard earned money to some fat, old man who probably takes most of the donation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6116351
Funnily enough, Mori's roommate followed Hana Macchia even before she debut as Mori. Rice probably told Mori to do her research.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6120478
I don't think Susan is fat or an old man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6118021
I second this one. Look at Nene, she's a powerhouse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6113764
Training grounds for future waves of Niji EN and maybe if one or two get lucky they could be future Holos. Market is too small for most of them to do anything but tread water and polish their skills hoping for something better to come along.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6113764
Agencies are just legal brothels, you exploit the girls so they rake in money while you provide a false sense of infrastructure and make them believe they can't do it without you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6120511
youtube tells you how much they take.
quit buying some dude in a suit a new mercedes and support indies only.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6115610
Isnt this the guy that got paid to react to a Nijisanji video?

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>>6120627
99% of them can't get more than 10 viewers. Even a mediocre agency can get 5x that easily. A good one can 10x it. For every indie except maybe a dozen, they really can't do that without an agency

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>>6115163
Not to mention a lot of people getting into Hololive via EN didn't know much about the western vtubing scene. Rather than the janky pieces of shit proto-Vshoujo were running at the time Artemis had a proper Live 2D that could have easily fit in one of the new Holo gens. Now there's a ton of indies with expensive models but back then it wasn't that common. There was a ton of hype but the voice and total lack of energy kind of killed him.

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>>6120737
True but it's like that because of the agencies made it that way. They suck away viewers from indies by using their money to shift the spotlight to vtubers they own.

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>>6113764
i watch prism and phase connect more than hololive nowadays. they're pretty good. tsunderia girls are kinda lame except for purin and vshojo is meh.

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>>6120627
>Agencies are just legal brothels
if agencies acted like that theyd be a lot more successful

[Anonymous No.]

>>6120627
>you exploit the girls so they rake in money while you provide a false sense of infrastructure and make them believe they can't do it without you.
Patreon business model

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>>6117142
Probably better that Kana left seeing how she indirectly called Nacho a bitch and blamed Gura for her not getting the love a holomama gives their kids.

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>>6120944
What the agencies do (in theory) is aggregating the best chuubas out there and putting them in one place, under a certain "brand". It's not like they're forcing anyone to watch. In your world with no agencies, there would be no filtering mechanism to separate the actual quality chuubas from the shit-tier ones except by popularity. In that case, there would be a couple dozen at the very very top way above everyone else, and then maybe 50-100 in the next tier down, and would you look at that it's exactly the same as it is now

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>>6121167
>In that case, there would be a couple dozen at the very very top way above everyone else, and then maybe 50-100 in the next tier down, and would you look at that it's exactly the same as it is now
That's basically how it is with normal streamers. Just look at Twitch where 0,1% of streamers have 99% of viewers.

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>>6120944
So you're saying they're actually useful? Who'd have thunk it?

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>>6121166
You don't even believe in this rrat

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>>6113764
Only VShojo will survive

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>>6121498
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bkceRO5vz0

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>>6113764
>>6114867
>>6115641
>>6115654
>>6115726
>>6114536
Stop spreading bad info about MyHolo. You people are just full with envy because your patheticly small EN agency is all on fire and MyHolo have the most stability out of all of them. Lilyana have, use her supreme talent and goodwill, build up a loyal fanbase that definitely boost the popularity of the company's next generation to be in the same line as Hololive and Nijisanji. When that time comes you people will all be kneeling before us for have talking bad. The MyHolo fanbase stand united against Tsunderia falseflagger. We are legion.

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>>6121607
Working overtime today I see. I hope they are paying you well for this

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>>6121607
Good falseflag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6121557
nacho got too cocky after gura's success.

[Anonymous No.]

imagine falseflagging a comprehensive thread

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>>6117011
I hope their chuubas are centered around fetishes

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>>6121630
>>6121631
Stay rent free

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>>6121707
Mmhm earn that bonus

[Anonymous No.]

Oh intern-chama, never change your schizo ways. They never fail to make every other company look more stable by comparison

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>>6115248
Like it or not, Reddit also helped put them in front of more and more eyes. Especially when they announced Holomyth EN. That made it to #1 of /r/all.

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>>6121607
MyHolo are actually the most innovative agency in the market. They saw the huge market for cuck porn, and decided to capitalise on what I like to call reverse unicorns, i.e. viewers that instead of insisting that talents don't interact with males, actually want to become gachikoi for the talent given knowledge of her relationship with her manager.

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>>6121827
Cyberlive is giving them a run for their money, that's for sure

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Going Hololive route is not going to work.
Hololive was built on clips and lockdowns.
Lockdowns are gone in many places and clipper market is oversaturated leading to clickbait.
Other than luck they will only expand by finding different model.

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>>6113764
There a malaysian agency? What the fuck???

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>>6121850
>literally fucking the manager: the chuuba
This is a rrat, right?

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>>6121960
No it's all true

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>>6121960
I really hope so. Lili could do so much better, like an American she can seduce into giving her a green card to get out of that shithole country

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>>6121960
Why do you think their only talent stayed even after the dumpster fire that was MyHolo Gen 2? The only explanations are either she has financial stake in the company or she's dating her papa.

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>>6121960
Yeah, but given that all we have to go on here is rrats, it's honestly the most reasonable given how the other talents left. Though it also kind of gives myholo the benefit of the doubt on being a black company which I'm also pretty convinced of given the attacks on their competitors.

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>>6121889
I think its kind of a waiting game really, waiting for something that may never come. You have to get successful enough to be making some money initially so your company keeps going and then keep grinding away on the content slowly building fanbase until something catches on and goes viral. When you really think about it the success of Hololive wasn't built overnight, they spent years building up to the point where they exploded with many of their earliest members struggling to break a couple thousand viewers for years.

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The only one I care about is Amber Glow, and honestly for 2views they've had decent growth. I just wish they could get a bit bigger but if I'm totally honest not all of their talent is on the level of my favorites (not going to name names to protect feelings).

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>>6121430
I'm saying agencies are the fix to the problem they caused.
>>6121167
>What the agencies do (in theory) is aggregating the best chuubas out there and putting them in one place, under a certain "brand".
They problem is they dont pick the "best". They pick the "best who's willing to surrender their independence or is logistically able to work with them".

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>>6122338
I think it kind of depends what agency to some extent as well. Like the brand name alone, and the built in fanbase that brings, is enough to make it worth it for the bigger ones. 50% of something is far better than 100% of nothing.

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>>6122284
Amber Glow leaves me really conflicted, on one hand I like a couple of their talents, but on the other it feels like they've essentially handed out pay-day loans for talents to become indies and I can't not feel like I'm supporting that shit.
Though I haven't been following them as closely lately it seems like the agency has improved a little, but at this point the talents have already had to establish themselves alone and are already at the point where they need less support anyway.

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>>6116229
Spoon-feed me on the botan thing?

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>>6122216
Waiting game requires money to stay afloat.
It took hololive almost 2 years to blow up and it was mostly due to very lucky circumstances.

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>>6122640
That is why I was saying you need to be successful enough to make some money initially. Either that or get some VC/rich dude funding and run at a loss until it eventually happens or you run out.

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>>6122625
She got the Russian audience entire by accident and in fact got such a large market share that her chat became 25% vodka

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>>6113799
amen.
I'm not ready to see how the world shapes with the Vtuber culture in the next 5 years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6122625
Try reading the thread instead of begging like a starving African baby.

[Anonymous No.]

If HoloJP had someone like Mii-chan they would have had Pekora numbers easily

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>>6122694
Based helpful infoposter
>>6122733
Cringe gatekeeping faggot

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>>6121850
>>6121981
>>6122046
>>6122076
>>6122127
Jesus you people are unhinged. Liliana is not that kind of person and I have interacted with the manager on multiple different occasions, with there being absolutely NO evidence of what you're suggesting here. Don't spread false information.

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>>6114912
Retards here act like you can use superchats as publicity. 90% of artemis audience at debut happened because domo shilled her hard and then clippers boosted her further because it was basically the only EN vtuber to get those numbers outside established agencies.

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As another anon in the thread stated these agencies have to plod along until a clip goes viral. As per which of the agencies could have a clip be interesting enough to go viral I would say Phase Connect Pippa/Tenma, pippa with her /here/ shitposting toxicity could draw in a different kind of crowd with a viral clip, Tenma's engrish is universally adorable and if more people knew she existed she would grow massively.

Prism will do fine with their established numbers but their issue I guess is they don't have a unified style for their vtubing, i mean they could luck out in a meme going viral but thats about it. They will probably grow moderately and be fine.

Project Kawaii is much in the same boat as Prism along with Tsunderia all these companies playing the same FOTMs as Hololive/Niji will forever be slowly growing scavengers. In order for these companies to truly grow they have to break into and exploit a community that isn't used to Vtubers rather then try and siphon off people already watching them. They have to bet on the gsg tuber, or the strategy game tuber etc to try and grab those close knit communities into the fold.

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>>6122911
Funny that sounds exactly like what a manager fucking his employee might say

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Purin is precious and I want to see her and Tsunderia do well.

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>>6122985
>gsg tuber, or the strategy game tuber
Why has there been such a big push for this kind of content lately on /vt/? The viewing experience is going to absolutely horrendous since not only are those games dreadful to watch, you'll also have to deal with the backseating faggots in the chat as well. Any viewership gained through playing these types of games will not be nearly enough to offset the amount of casual viewers turned away from doing so.

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>>6123151
I don't mean specifically those genres, but any game that has a hardcore youtube based following of decent views. Rimworld/EU4/Dwarf Fortress/Civilization/AOE2 all have big isolated audiences that can be exploited. Of course a chuba shouldn't stream nothing but these games but streaming them enough and seeking collabs in those communities would be a boon.

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>>6122911
S-she's not that kind of person
This reads so farcically that I genuinely can't tell if it's sincere.

>>6123151
Everything is just zatsudan in the end. I'd probably find something slow-paced more interesting for streams than games that distract the tuber. Historical gsg in particular could make for fun discussions.

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>>6113764
I love Tsunderia and like some PRISM.

I have a weakness for mail girl Meru. She's got the real kind of purity over the manufactured UWU ones and can make me smile just by existing.

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>>6123151
Because the vstards in this place are content starved and are straining at the least for anyone to pander to their particular brand of autism.

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>>6113764
>Do you think any of them have potential to grow big or are they all destined to fall into obscurity before Hololive and Nijisanji anyways?
how many tech startups d'you think managed to compete with the likes of apple and amazon?

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>>6122985
Nigga this was just a long ass paragraph begging for a strategy game chuba with delusions of thinking fucking that will make them a break out star. Absolutely delusional.
>>6123356
what this nigga said, that's you. Your hyper specific brand of autism isn't going to make a chuba popular.

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>>6120627
Sounds like Hololive to me.

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>>6113764
Unfortunately, these agencies can't replicate 3D tech from Hololive and Nijisanji so they're losing a bit unless they use the ones VShoujo used or invest for Codemiko's mocap suit.

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>>6123337
I liked meru at the start, she's hilarious, but at the same she can be super depressing and ended killing my interest on her.

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>>6123151
What makes a good stream is one of two things:
1 - The streamer being highly skilled and being able to pull off visually impressive moves regardless of how much or how little they talk.
2 - The streamer being able to keep up an entertaining chat while they do an activity.

Most vtubers will fall under the second one and the turn based format allows for a more relaxed pace and storytelling opportunities than a platformer or FPS

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>>6123501
Yes I'm sure streaming Resident Evil 8 and Henry Stikmin months late and bottom feeding is what will lead the companies to break 1000 concurrent. Stop typing like a fag. They could play anything with big communities. Path of Exile, WoW whatever works.