Life is unfair.

[Anonymous No.]

>Many vtubers working their asses off for 1-3 years,
>Gets 100k subs or less.

>Irys hasnt debut yet.
>Gets 200k subs under a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
"Nooooo this woman hiding behind an anime avatar to make money off nerds is doing better than this other woman hiding behind an avatar making money from lonely nerds"

[Anonymous No.]

what are you going to do about it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
>Mainland bots to remove coco
>Mainland bots to bust an acc
the power of ccpalism

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
I think a lot of the Hololive fanbase subscribe to every Hololive chuuba which inflates their numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

Think of those 200k subscribers as the result of all of the work and good fortunate that the previous generations have put in to the company

[Anonymous No.]

It is kinda sad knowing how many talented girls following their dream just get the shaft. Unfortunately the market is incredibly saturated and many are out of luck. But even then, all it takes is one or two paypigs to make it worthwhile

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236212
/thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
> Implying getting into Hololive isn't hard
You fucking retard, do you even have any idea what you're saying? Getting into Hololive is not a small feat, just as much work as being a small non entertaining indie for 3 years and still being at shit tier subs. If that indie tried to get in and failed, it means they didn't do well enough in the first place, hard work is subjective. The biggest point of joining Hololive is the massive audience you basically get for free, so long as you can manage to join.

[Anonymous No.]

Almost like Hololive busted their asses and invested millions into building a strong reputation such that there are fans willing to dive into their newest talent because they know they'll see a standard of quality...

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236348

When has streaming (and entertainment/media in general) not been like this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
McDonald's of vtubing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
>Many vtubers working their asses off for 1-3 years,
boo hoo
GIT GUD, those same streamers could've applied just like IRyS and the others have, you have to offer something that the staffers see that other people don't, Sure by now the COVER brand name is a golden ticket but you don't just randomly get it for existing you have to be good or at least determined even Suisei and Nene had to apply multiple times before getting in.

Every indie out there could be on HL level if they tried but they don't, that's the difference

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
modern hololive does that to you

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236338
And then you get someone like Mori who spits in the faces of the people who built it up while riding the wave

[Anonymous No.]

I mean I often see people ask what does Cover provide that's worth the cut they get from all the talents when it seems like the talents still have to do everything on their own anyway and pay for all their own shit... But this, this is what they provide.

[Anonymous No.]

All those trash vtubers should just graduate, what a shame losing to vtuber that not even debuted yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236700
Considering Niji literally takes in people with 0 experience and it perfectly okay with subpar streams, I'd say Nijisanji is the Mcdonalds of Vtubing. They even have the same strategy - flood the market and grab the land (merch) for cheap

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236626
There're a lot of people that don't understand that this is just how it is. Look at the western indies side of the board and everyone there seems to genuinely believe they'll make it just by working hard when even people who have a ton of advantages over them like famous esports gamers or big artists flatline when they're unlucky.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
Just goes to show how little numbers matter

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
Irys clearly did something that made her pass the audition for Hololive, you just don't know what that is because it's "Forbidden Knowledge."
She could have been working herself to the bone and singing for 15 years and you wouldn't know it. You're only just seeing the results and not the labor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6237467
Exactly this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
This is the power of hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236212
I'm not lonely I'm dating Uruha Rushia

[Anonymous No.]

>>6237150
Mori is a pillar of modern Hololive and a tremendous reason for HoloEN's massive success, regardless of how much you wish this weren't the case

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236348
>Unfortunately the market is incredibly saturated and many are out of luck
Amazing how basically a year and half of any real western popularity saturates the market so dang quickly
I'm not sure it's saturation alone though, since it's not like there are any popular western male vtubers either
Honestly it's just that it's hard to find the time to watch new ones when I can't even watch all the ones I want to watch

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236755
Half the holos got the job because they were friends with someone, success has little to do with talent just luck and connections.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
Remember this the next time you're inclined to say "I don't get it, why don't they go indie and keep all the money?"

[Anonymous No.]

>>6237680
>pillar
LOL

[Anonymous No.]

>>6237467
>She could have been working herself to the bone and singing for 15 years and you wouldn't know it
Or she could (she is) be a "Mori" and just put out for whomever asked since she lives in JP as well
Her music isn't that good, it's somewhere between AZKi cover and Mori's Roki in terms of quality

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
Hololive being insanely successful doesn't undermine the efforts of indies and smaller companies and their well-earned incline.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6237467
She's probably just someone's relative
Or she sucks dick really well

[Anonymous No.]

>>6237207
It looks like this started with 5th gen where they got 100k before or during their debut. With the success of HoloEN, it seems we're going to see an even bigger boost to that number. Thought, in the end, the maintaining of that initial boost will still depend on the vtuber themselves after their 1-month grace period is over. We can see that with how spread out EN and ID2 subs are from their own gen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6237297
fuck you holobronie

[Anonymous No.]

>>6237779
It's okay if you don't want to *personally* believe it but there's no point in denying it. The fact that you would insult Mori when all of "the people who built it up" love her is an actual spit in their faces, and not anything she's ever done.

[Anonymous No.]

>Life is unfair
took OP long enough to realize

[Anonymous No.]

>>6237990
The truth hurts, huh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6237297
How do niji auditions even work?
A lot of them seem like they couldn't even manage to land a job at mcdonalds

[Anonymous No.]

>>6237718
Who were also talented as the friend that recommended them, they all still went through the same screening

[Anonymous No.]

How is it unfair? IRyS had a competition against thousands at once where only her own skills would let her win and she came on top, as a reward she earned the rights to be a Hololive member, which is currently the single most popular Vtuber agency and guaranteed initial success, now it's up to her to prove she can keep the audience

And you think a random indie has it bad? Imagine going to these very same auditions, something that can be literally life changing, sweating to prove you're the one Cover wants and ending up second to her, imagine how soul crushing that may actually be

[Anonymous No.]

>>6237775
you know in a company like hololive they company is at a disadvantage compared to the workers right? can you imagine if one day all the talents decide to quit at the same time, you could say they cant cause of contract, idk they start saying N**** or anti china stuff, you know bad stuff to get booted out of hololive, now in this situation if everyone boycots the company what do they do? cry? yeah most likely, if all the talents get tired of cover this could happen and surely they will retain some audience at least the popular holos, the money maybe wouldnt be as big as b4 but it will still be enough to live a good life, cover are lucky that all the girls and i think this is more on the JP side are scared of doing this for the consequences maybe they think, their paypigs will not follow them, we will see what the future departs once kson starts streaming again on yt if her numbers are still good i can guess some holos will think about quitting and going indie

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
It's almost like being part of a brand matters, the same could be said as someone that joins a e-sport team or joins a famous youtuber group

[Anonymous No.]

This is literally the point of joining any company, not only hololive

[Anonymous No.]

So do you think she was banged all at once, or 1 or 2 people a day for a month or so?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
pfft

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
>Life is unfair
Yes. And? Grow up fucking child.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6238929
Thank god Hololive Corporate aren't number fags, or they'd have shut down half of JP and ID, and Stars over this

[Anonymous No.]

>>6238666
You can't expect people here to have a common knowledge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
But you see, indies are better because they have more "freedom".

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236212
When you put it like that

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
So how hard this board will seethe if it manages to catch up with Gura in a short time?

[Anonymous No.]

That's the power of a brand and the whole reason you'd join a company rather than stay indie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
>>Many vtubers working their asses off for 1-3 years,
>>Gets 100k subs or less.
>>Irys hasnt debut yet.
>>Gets 200k subs under a day.
Based

[Anonymous No.]

>Life is unfair.
Yep.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6238349
Would they have the same drive tho? I admit Coco was a gamechanger for Hololive, but as I see it, the reason was that she walked on the edge of the rules and found loopholes igniting her creativity to surpass them, but what if a Coco with no restrictions to force her creative way of finding loopholes starts streaming? will we see another case of John Kricfalusi?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6239349
Not unfair

She played her cards right, she EARNED her talent, cover EARNED the popularity, both EARNED this feat by coming up together

Meanwhile talenteless indies: life is unfair :(

[Anonymous No.]

>>6239390
Well we'll see what she does, now won't we?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6239349
Any indie complaining that they could've been IRyS or better than her could've simply just thrown their applications back in January, if they are truly the better talent they would've been picked for this

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
RRRRRRRATS YOU GOT SOME EXPLAININ TO DO RRAT BASELESS! YOU WAS SITTIN UPNHERE JUST A WEEK AGO! NOW IMMA LET YOU FINISH RRAT BUT IT IS MY TURN TOO TALK NOW!

RRAT JUST A WEEK AGO YOU SAID THE VTUBING BUBBLE POPPED YOU WAS UP HERE DOOMPOSTING LIKE ALL OF HOLOLIVE ANNOUNCED GRADUATION! NOW RRAT EXPLAIN THIS TO ME I KNOW YOU LIKE YOUR NUMBER RRAT! OH I KNOW YOU DO RRAT BASELESS!

NIJISANJI EN all over 100k in a few months despite Nijisanji having no foothold in the west.
VSinger already at 200k.

NOW RRAT IMMA LET YA FINISH BUT MY GRAMMY ALWAYS USED TO SAY WHEN IT RAINS IT POURS AND RIGHT NOW IT IS POURING ALL OVER YOUR NARRATIVES!

[Anonymous No.]

>>6239450
lol what's the name of that one twittertuber that tried to shit on Calli after her diss song, got destroyed by simps, and never debuted? That should be the fate of all down-in-the-dirt indies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
How 'bout a taste of カルマ?
They say "なるよう になるさ"
We still call it wicked, despicable, cursed and unfair
When the universe winds up unkind to us
Keep on whining it's fine because
We're hoping to God somebody might care
Living merrily, wearily, oh-so-contrarily
Life is but a nightmare

[Anonymous No.]

>>6237680
Holy fuck this is some delusion. Mori is literally just a hanger on, she's a pillar of nothing. Hololive wouldn't change at all if she never joined. Mori is a beneficiary of the Hololive boom, she's not the cause of it you deranged cuckbeat

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
Do you think she didnt work her ass off to get a position in Hololive?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6239950
Clearly you've been on /vt/ for too long. Go touch some grass, mate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6240006
>Say something retarded
>Gets refuted
>"lol who cares touch grass"
I'll give Mori credit for one thing she's been very effective at drawing in reddit cancer like you

[Anonymous No.]

>>6237467
Reminder that Jubyphonic was friends with D*mondice pre-reckoning.

Reminder that Jubyphonic is currently followed on twitter by Mori, Ollie, and Haachama for some reason.

Reminder that Jubyphonic was the single most prolific vocaloid cover artist from a bygone era.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6237323
It's because the ones people see and put on a pedestal are the ones that already succeeded, while the failures never see the light of day.
Success in the entertainment industry is like winning a lottery.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6240046
I was going to call you a summerfag but then I realized this place has been infested with freaksauruses like you since day one.

>omg I don't like this person she must be this and this and this

Touch. Grass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6240105
>Speaking like a twitter tranny
You never belonged here in the first place faggot. Forget touching grass, skip straight to necking yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>6239950
Go pump up Tokyo ghouls numbers more, he's never going to overtake Rip if you don't work it

[Anonymous No.]

>>6239950
Damn, I didn't think I wrote anything scathing or offensive in my post but I guess I was wrong, judging by this reaction. I'm really sorry that I offended you, but I still stand by what I said. Mori is, objectively, an extremely valuable member of Hololive and you have said nothing to refute this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6240064
she uses juby to help her with her english would be my guess
that or she just really likes drop pop candy

[Anonymous No.]

>>6240184
And now you're gatekeeping /vt/. Truly a pillar of our community. Thank Jebus this place and people like you have no real influence and I can watch Nyanners and Juniper in peace.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6240248
>Gatekeeping
>Ever being a bad thing
You will never be a woman

[Anonymous No.]

>>6240212
Don't you see, Anon?

All these squares make a circle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6239950
Vtweeters still seething

[Anonymous No.]

>>6240006
>>6240105
>>6240248
I appreciate the backup but I don't need you ruining my argument for me

[Anonymous No.]

>>6239220
But...but...muh...freedom...

[Anonymous No.]

>>6240308
You're trying, I said. You're not actually succeeding. It's exactly why all of those vtubers you dislike are at the top and the ones you like are at the bottom. Calli, Gura, VShojo, etc. are as successful as they are because of do-nothings like yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6238929
Male vtubers don't deserve recognition nor respect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6240211
Mori is objectively a cunt who salivates over tonging Gigguks balls and ruining Hololive by infesting it with as many Vshojo whores as she can.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6237150
meds

[Anonymous No.]

>>6238929
They're doing pretty decently all things considered.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6240426
>ruining

Being it's second most successful member, you mean. You not liking her doesn't mean shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6240426
Don't you have some angry tweets to tweet out on your TBA vtuber account?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6240426
Mori is objectively one of the most successful and well-respected members of Hololive and is part of the reason for why HoloEN blew up like it did. Are you going to argue that having almost as many subs as Pekora, and being admired by people like Suisei, Fubuki, Korone, and Coco doesn't somehow qualify as being successful and well-respected. Stop making a fool of yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
Ok guys I need your help, give me the Twitter handle of Indies vtubers that you know, I'm gonna post OP image and tag them all

[Anonymous No.]

>>6239055
I don't know anon, there are still rules on what platform they're using, but I see what you're saying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6240426
That's nothing compared to Calliope's cruelest crime: covertly cribbing countless candy-coated confectionaries.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6239055
stop saying freedom like its your abusive stepfather about to hit you with his belt

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
I agree. I see no reason to be hyped either. But if she sucks those numbers will drop quick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
Cuckbeats are threatened by the new vsinger huh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6241297
More like vtweeters angry that they didn't get their free ride onto fame.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6240608
I mean moona is well respected and liked by everyone as a person so that doesn't seem like a high bar

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
I hope she properly thanked Gura, Mori, Korone, Coco, Fubuki and Pekora.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6238929
The fact that they’re all getting 3D models should tell you that the constant argument overs numbers with the girls is utterly pointless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6237632
>he doesn't know
anon....I'm fucking her....

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
Keep whining, indie trash.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236212
fpbp

[Anonymous No.]

>>6237680
Deadcucks are truly the most delusional cucks in this entire fandom, KFPniggers can't even compete.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6240070
That is basically what create saviorfags, finding a talent that never saw the light

[Anonymous No.]

>>6242750
Have you gotten off twitter yet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6242126
You forgot Miko

[Anonymous No.]

>>6242850
Twitter (and R*ddit) in the place where scums like you should go back to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6242902
true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6242902
t. Seething 2view aa

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
You don't know what fair means, commie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6237680
True

[Anonymous No.]

>v-vtweeters
Deadbeats...

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
Welcome to nepotism dumbass its been this way for thousands of years

[Anonymous No.]

>>6242750
By all means please tell me who your oshi is, because it couldn't possibly be anyone from hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236212
fpbp

[Anonymous No.]

>>6242627
Bruh....my dick is inside her cunny right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6241387
>shitting on moona for no reason
Rent free

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
SHE DOESN'T DESERVE IT
SHE DIDN'T WORK FOR IT
SHE GOT LUCKY
AVRIL WOULD NEVER BE AS RESPECTED AS AZKI, SORA OR SUISEI

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
Biggest Vtuber agency promoting your channel vs. Literally Unknown Person relying on search algorithms and twitter shilling to even gain acknowledgement that the Vtuber exists

A comparison as old as time itself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
You dont understand branding or you refuse to learn what it is. Thats your fault not Covers or any startup

[Anonymous No.]

>>6243500
>SHE DIDN'T WORK FOR IT
i mean, she literally didn't. She "text book definition", did nothing for 200k subs. Didn't speak, didn't sing,

IN FACT, her roommate could be swapped out right now and inherit the 200k subs and no one would be the wiser

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
Yes that is in fact the entire point of a talent agency.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6238211
Yeah, this

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
Bait or are you just an idiot? If the vsinger is who people think it is she’s been making content on Youtube for 10 years now.

[Anonymous No.]

There is a reason that all your favorite indies apply to hololive when they get a chance and Cover gets 6k+ applications despite there being 16k vtubers in existence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6237990
there's nothing wrong with liking McDonalds' anon..

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236348
>Unfortunately the market is incredibly saturated
The same could be said for all entertainment. When you get down to it, the key to game and success boils down to luck and connections, not talents.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6237680
5%

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
looking forward to her ||:Caesura of Despair

[Anonymous No.]

>>6240426
> seething this hard
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.]

Are there really indies that seethe about the Cover boost? Why didn't they just apply to Hololive when they had the chance? Lots of them seem to watch hololive to begin with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
>Many vtubers working their asses off for 1-3 years,
>Gets 100k subs or less.
Hololive as a company provides a stage for talent to perform as singers/streamers
>Irys hasnt debut yet.
>Gets 200k subs under a day.
Case in point, you know they do have to pass a number of auditions against thousands of participants to be given the chance to be in hololive, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6245880
>Mori's 5% is on par with everyone else's 100%
How Mori antis consider this an insult is beyond me

[Anonymous No.]

>>6239390
Coco didn't quit to be a streamer, she will stream obviously but she want's to do other stuff that she couldn't in Hololive as a talent, perhaps some Hololive members will join her but Hololive have a strong brand power that opens all sorts of doors especially for Holo JP so I don't really see it unless management reaally turns to shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6237680
Thanks man, I needed a laugh today and seeing the embarrassing delusions of cuckbeats always makes me chuckle

[Anonymous No.]

en hololive was a mistake

[Anonymous No.]

>>6242126
She's still blocked on twitter lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>6246344
It appears their superiority has lead to some controversy

[Anonymous No.]

>>6241090
That's terrible

[Anonymous No.]

>>6239997
I'm sure it was more than just ass

[Anonymous No.]

>>6241090
Calli is Woolie? The race wars start now

[Anonymous No.]

>>6238211
>sweating to prove you're the one Cover wants and ending up second to her, imagine how soul crushing that may actually be
One girl claims she was in 6th place to get into HoloEN 1 and she had a complete mental breakdown over it. I doubt it's true but even thinking you were the first place not to get is enough to hurt bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6246725
She was right though. Kiara was a huge mistake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6246795
That 6th girl already said she was wrong about kiara, anon.

Don't use the words from the people that already change their mind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236338
Vtubers are untalented and unskilled, so no

[Anonymous No.]

Post your prediction how many subs does she has before debuting on youtube
>500k subs

[Anonymous No.]

>>6247277
Yesterday /numbers/ was openly mocking people for saying she'd get to 200k. I think the sky is the limit. I wonder how terrified she is right now since her first stream might break 80k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6237297
This is true, if anything Hololive is the Chipotle of the industry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6243387
Don't bap my baby in her womb or she'll get mad

[Anonymous No.]

>>6237297
>Considering Niji literally takes in people with 0 experience and it perfectly okay with subpar streams

If people think this is bait, watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7Co2VoZLJE

[Anonymous No.]

>>6246725
who's she? but how could she know that she's 6th?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
First day in your life?
>Many people working their asses off for their whole life
>Gets $1million dollar worth or less

>Rich people baby just born
>Family's million dollars worth of wealth awaits

Life, is not fair.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6238016
Is she one of the larger sources of income? Yes
Is she a personally relevant pillar to the company? No

The coco shitshow shows that cover doesn’t care how much money talents earn for the company, and apart from that Mori is hardly a pillar for the company.
She does not extend the reach of Hololive, she has no practical application in the company, she has no personal relevance to the members of the company (do you think the JP mentality of „sugoi gaijin rapper“ is equivalent to love?)
If she wouldn’t have been a member the only thing lost would be the money she earned.
But a generic GFE replacement could probably get 2/3 of that revenue with less hard work, not like Mori is far away from coomerbaiting akas anyways

[Anonymous No.]

>>6247913
Was that subs or live views?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6248148
>subpar stream
It's actually hilarious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6248525
Subs before debut. Her getting 200k live views is too stupid for anyone to think is real. 80k is pushing it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6248148
Your point about Nijisanji is fair but that example...

Wow... you're like one of those old people that think comedians on TV are actually that dumb in real life instead of acting up.
The Naan debate is prime dumb kino.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6248162
Basically she thought that she got replaced last second by kiara and believed it was unjustified.
She snapped and made up rrats about her (almost all of the rats on kiara are based on her groundwork), doxxed and harassed her with gore and stuff.
After a while she snapped out of it, and released a sort of apology where she debunked almost every rrat about kiara that she made up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6248584
I actually was in the thread and wasn't following what they were saying because it was mostly speculation, but I don't think 200k In fact, it this somewhat in line with how Hololive's own growth has been for the past year.

[Anonymous No.]

if they were good enough to earn 200k views, why didn't they audition to holoen and collect those 200k instead? Whoever makes it to Irys's seat has already jumped many hurdles a shituber would have failed at.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6239160
She doesn't have a chance against HER.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6249179
Damn I love that shork.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6238929
There is nothing more pathetic than male cosplayers.
>Look at me, imagine if I was cool and tall.

[Anonymous No.]

Didn't know her design was by the Beatless Novel character designer. No wonder her design reminded me of something.

https://twitter.com/shiru

[Anonymous No.]

>>6248517
They went with Mori thinking she's the safe bet since she's a decent singer/rapper and lives in Japan so they can talk to her directly. However popularity wise she's nowhere near Coco was. Mori's streaming skills are also below Coco's and other Holo EN's skills. Problem with Mori is that she peaked early with her debut stream/song but has never been able to match it since nor has she's been able to improve her skills. Doesn't help that her grasp of the Japanese language is still bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
Damn. The Zhangs really working overnight to make sure their fellow bug becomes successful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236700
>MacDonald's of Vtubing

The appeal is unmatched. Easily digestible. And fun for the whole family. That's a massive Win if I've ever seen one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6237680
>Mori
>Pillar of Vtubing

I'll literally Vormit in your if you ever suggest such a thing again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236165
That's the power of brands.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6240006
Go breathe in some oxygen. Because clearly your brain needs it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6242543
You mean YAGOO's last attempt to boost those fags? Because everything else doesn't work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6251584
>I'll literally vomit in your
Well you already seem to have shit your diaper so you may as well go all the way you giant baby. Mori is indeed both a pillar and one of the most influential vtubers out there.

[Anonymous No.]

Questions posed to the thread: Should YouTube fully hide subscriber counts for accounts without any previous videos? Should YouTube prevent people from subscribing to channels without any previous videos?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6236212

THIS

[Anonymous No.]

>>6251690
>Well you already seem to have shit your diaper so you may as well go all the way you giant baby

How did we go from Vormit to (You) wanting to eat my poop. Damn anonchama slow down there. If you wanted to dine on my poop like a king, then I'll happily serve it to you with Vormit on the side of course.

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>>6251729
No, that's retarded

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>>6236165
You act like this is a new event

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imagine the amount of seethe that will radiate from Mori and Suisei if her voice and talent is a bigger deal, blows up, and buries them under her shadow

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>>6252248
Mori kinda sucks, especially compared to Suisei.

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I wonder if she will be nervous. None of the HoloEN girls were nervous in their debuts.

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>>6236165
It's not as if she's just a random Vtuber that Cover decided to prop up, they scouted a singer for ages and she passed the audition. People trust Cover's judgement on recruitment, it's their greatest strength.

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>>6236165
How do you know the person they've hired hasn't worked her ass of for 1-3 years? For all you know she could have been working her ass of for 10+ years now.

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>>6252266
No matter what she is already standing on the corpses of NijiEN. Fucking irrelevant parasites can’t even compete with someone that hasn’t even debuted yet, kek. Flawless victory.

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>>6252087
This is the best retort Mori antis can come up with

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>>6252260
while this is true, remember that some of Mori's songs got mentioned in some top chart a while ago, so Mori obviously has a built-up ego from that short-lived recognition. now imagine IRyS pumping out songs that are consistently on top charts shortly after she debuts. Mori will undoubtedly seethe.

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>>6252331
>randomly bringing up NijiEN out of nowhere
Rent free.

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>>6252344
Yet you somehow found a way to make them look better, in comparison to what you said.

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>>6252379
You might want to read the thread again retard. Although I am not surprised that a Nijifag can’t actually read. You should just go back to drooling while watching your brain damaged Brapfish.
https://twitter.com/finanaryugu/status/1392645070713622528?s=21

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>>6252403
No, I assure you anon, nobody with a brain has, or ever will have, any ounce of respect for Mori antis. Go ahead and cry your eyes out as much as you like but that isn't changing the fact that she's tremendously successful by all relevant metrics. If you have some kind of inexplicable personal vendetta against her then that's your malfunction, not hers.

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>>6252530
Calm down spaz your comment was literally nothing of substance. You just said, “that comment bad” grow the fuck up retard I didn’t even say anything about your precious, you seething faggot. If anything I am starting dislike her now, just because of how gay you sounded. What were you even trying to accomplish with the little bitch fit in the first place?

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>>6236165
I'm not an NPC. I'll watch her content first before I decide to subscribe.

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>>6236165
Im not an NPC. Ill subscribe to her in order to piss off NPCs and laught at them seethe

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>>6252344
Your not even denying it. LMAO. Anonchama, Maybe next don't spout baseless nonsense. Gura carried EN. Not Mori.

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>>6252593
Oh my bad, I thought you were falseflagging. Good to see you don't disagree with me like that other retard at least.

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>>6251584
>>6251690
>>6252087
found the vshojo fans.

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>>6252593
>Calm down spaz your comment was literally nothing of substance.

>>6252740
>Good to see you don't disagree with me like that other retard at least.

Literally the anon said your comment is baseless nonsense. Deathfarts faggots really can't read huh...

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I subscribe to all hololive girls and astel cause he deserves it for his 24h karaoke stream

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>>6252822

Nice try. But I'm just a humble holoChad passing through.

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>>6236165
>Gets 100k subs or less.
Try like 2k subs or less, and yes, even very good ones

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>>6252723
Bet you preorder games too

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>>6253406
To be honest I don't mind people seething about the Cover boost. It feels so silly a jpg gets 210k subs in day. It makes me wonder why they don't just apply to hololive.

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>>6253618
you do know that having hundreds of talents even trying out would just dilute the brand, dont expect gen 2 group to happen and have this very slow tickle of singular debuts with long hype ups to be the norm now considering these numbers.

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>>6239390
Asacoco would just be a nobody reporting on other vtubers to ride the wave of relevancy. Let's be honest here, Asacoco was the only real smart thing she did by drawing into hololive cast and events. Everything else was just years behind what she has already seen the West do.

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>>6237207
Hololive pays for the model art and rigs which can be very very expensive. Getting a rig from a well known manga artist, some of whom are really successful and then getting a professional rigger to set them up is extremely expensive. Cover also pays a wage to their talents unlike Niji and a bunch of other vtuber corps who just live off super chats.

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>>6238929
how did Astel jump in subs so high in the last six months, I remember him being one of the lowest at 30k

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>>6253946
They have a lessened form of the Holo boost, but it's still the Holo boost

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If Beatani made a server I would join, only in this case. But it's too much effort for her.

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>>6254139
Dadchama...

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>>6236165
This is the power of hololive.
She may lose some after debut. I subbed just for that.

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>>6236165
all gura subs

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>>6252266
>None of the HoloEN girls were nervous in their debuts

Did you even watch the debuts?
>Gura was a giggly mess that could barely speak with minutes between sentences
>Calli started her debut with a heart attack
>Ame had to drug herself out so hard she doesn't even remember the first week
>Kiara spent 10 minutes having a panic attack due to a single chat message from Pekora, and spent the first month having a nervous breakdown

They were all complete and utter nervous wrecks.

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>>6236165
>Hololive girls deserve it they are so talented
>Literally got popular because Miko said the N word

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>>6254623
I've seen like 2 debuts in my life where it seemed like the girls were comfortable in their own skin. In all the others the girl was a complete nervous wreck with a heart rate of 200, even former indies with 100+ viewer averages. Sometimes I worry they'll have a nervous breakdown and start crying, like what I suspect happened with that Niji fish but she wasn't on stream.

I do not gen 2, lord knows the numbers they will see, probably enough to fill a stadium.

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>>6254707
Rose come to mind as an exception, she was full of energy and not trembling at all, and debuted for about 18h long

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>>6254707
Yep. All of the girls have even admitted they were so nervous they couldn't even sleep in the week leading up to debut, and most of them didn't get a good nights sleep for the first month, because they were still nervous. I half expect that Kiara and Ame are probably going to spend hours before Irys' debut on discord just babying and reassuring her, just so she doesn't swallow her own tongue on stream.

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>>6249683
What the fuck is your definition of a safe bet because Mori sure as hell wasn't. None of the HoloEN girls were except MAYBE Kiara just for her Japanese fluency alone. This isn't meant to be a knock against them though.

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>>6254844
It seems kinda lame for a vsinger to have a traditional debut. I'm hoping for some kinda 3D live. That'd be tops.

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>>6254916
Cover seems to try to hit a homerun for thier picks instead of safe singles. Ame was a pretty safe pick, Gura would at least be functional.

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>>6254926
I'm kind of expecting 3D as well, considering the job description.

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>>6237680
>Mori is a pillar of modern Hololive and a tremendous reason for HoloEN's massive success

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>>6238349
>Saying N****
You can say Nigger here you fucking faggot

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>>6253829
>and then getting a professional rigger
Gura...

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>>6254926
>>6254965
>3D live
While that may be the most optimal scenario, I can see Cover (mainly the EN managers) opting to forgo the 3D out of concern that people will complain that a kouhai got in front of the line for the 3D debut when the likes of HoloMyth and even the IDs haven't had the chance to get theirs done.

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>>6236308
Yeah some have 2 accounts one is for their favorites and the other is to sub to every holomen

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>>6255245
That would be utterly retarded to have a vsinger not in 3D. She's likely to not have a 2D model if anything. Only complete retards would complain about that since IRyS' job is different than ID's and EN's.

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>>6253946
Apex tournaments, ollie, apex challenges.

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>>6255344
Exactly, she's expected to perform concerts and do commercials and shit. Not having 3D would make the whole thing pointless. The only reasons I can think of for her not having 3D is that it'd require either
A) The actress lives near the offices so that she can use their mocap setup, which most likely won't happen considering it's an EN position, and how hard they lucked out with Calli and Kiara even being in Japan in general
B) Hololive agrees to send thousands of dollar worth of mocap equipment to an unknown. They'd probably make her buy the stuff her self.

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>>6236165
many such cases

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>>6253946
Ollie.

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>>6255445
The VSinger might be living in Japan like Kiara and Mori were.

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>>6240105
youre either an artisan of bait or you actually need to kill yourself, either way, choice (you)s lad

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>>6255207
If you think guras rigging is bad you are inexperienced.

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>>6248584
80k is too low, Myth had 60k live viewers on debut, anyone new in EN is easily getting more than that on debut, IRyS in particular would get a ton of attention due to being a solo debuter, I'm calling 150k the ceiling

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>>6252331
I watch Holo JP and ID and Niji EN.

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>>6256749
With each Gen the Hololive brand gets stronger and the numbers get bigger and bigger. Its insane that the starting point for each new Gen gets more and more ridiculous. Will there be a peak for Cover's growth?

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>>6254623
>Ina Ina Ina.....
I forgot how Ina's debut stream was, was she noticeably nervous?

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>>6256931
There is a limit, but it could take a while until it's reached, the 500k vtuber before debut that Coco predicted is gonna happen at one point

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>>6236165
this is literally every part of the whole entertainment industry in a nutshell, get used to it. Indies either have to get lucky or work their ass off for years to even get a chance to compete with big brands.

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>>6253946
Apex, Ollie and people found out how good he is at singing.

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>>6257057
Honestly, Cover is that good in keeping up the momentum with schedules every week. If Cover keeps pumping talents every year, our nights would be filled with events and celebrations. All they need is to find talents that could fill certain slots of time in the day.

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>>6257390
There was one dead month this year (March), other than that there’s generally something happening every week.
Sponsorships ramped up hard in the past month or so.
If only they got competent management they would go up like crazy.

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>>6257390
The one thing that for sure is going to keep Cover afloat is that Hololive has reached a point where it's literally life changing, that shit is attractive for any talent worth their salt trying to get up there and that's only going to make the baseline even higher with each new gen

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>be man
>work hard for year(s)
>stream almost every day
>sing
>have good chemistry with fellow men
>200k subscribers or less

>be cute girl
>200k subscribers in 1 day

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>>6238929
That's still pretty good, so many people, vtubers or not, would love to have that many subs.

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>>6237680
>Mori is the reason for EN's massive success
That would be Gura

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Imagine how Mori must feel about this bitch.
>Only have to stream like once a month
>Every time she streams she will get a flood of pent up superchats (the Ayame effect)
>Still gets to have a membership to milk paypiggies for thousands of dollars monthly
>Doesn't have to stream stupid games she doesn't care about just to fill quotas.
>Not under nearly as much scrutiny as the main members
>Get to focus on music production (and probably hanging out with E-celebs behind the scenes)

100% Mori would swap places with her if she could. Unfortunately you need to be able to actually sing to be a V-singer.

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>>6257717
>woman is more popular with male-dominated audience than man

In other news, water is wet.

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>>6258099
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to muster up justice for the holostars, just find it hilarious how she's beaten them by doing literally nothing.

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>>6257717
Haha, Gender Equality.

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>>6258195
I'm pretty sure those 200k are current fans of everything Hololive and I don't really expect her to reach HoloEN numbers anytime soon since she won't be streaming on a similar way as the other girls, and if she were to actually stream, I don't see why wouldn't she be included along EN2 instead, but what should I know.

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>>6237150
ogey

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all me

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If she isn't Namirin I'll probably unsub

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>>6257988
I don't know where this idea of Mori hates streaming comes from other than people assume that just because her normal speaking voice sounds like she is bored when that is just how she sounds like.

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>>6236212
Yes, I say that, now what?

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>>6258584
Is just your usual EN hater. Notice how they jumped from spamming Kiara threads to Mori and then Gura ones during the past weeks while spouting their vomit in other threads.

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>>6239590
Wrong board Shannon