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/asp/ - Aspiring Vtuber and Startup Anonymous Tue Jul 13 19:31:57 2021 No.6514160 [Reply] [Original]

What is /asp/?
A thread where we discuss our vtuber aspirations! Whether it's agency-based or independent, let's help each other grow and make it as entertainers. Indies are welcome to join, but shill responsibly. Share what knowledge, insights, what works/doesn't work for you. Remember to do your research before providing personally identifying information to companies online!

FAQ:
Do I need an expensive, fully rigged Live2D model to be a vtuber?
No! You can always start out as a pngtuber!

Where can I learn how to Live2D rig avatars?
Check out Brian Tsui's (of Iron Vertex) YouTube channel!

Where can I find artists/riggers?
Skeb.jp, ArtStation, DeviantArt, Twitter, Reddit, etc.

Where can I learn how to digital market myself?
https://learndigital.withgoogle.com/digitalgarage

Where can I find some good games to stream?
https://twitchtracker.com/games
https://sullygnome.com/

Twitch or Youtube?
Multistream to both.

RESOURCES:
General: https://pastebin.com/AJLkFrGK
OpSec Guide: https://pastebin.com/2mkc8x9P

Stay grounded, stay hopeful. Don't kill yourself yet.

Previous thread: >>6466836

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 19:33:44 2021 No.6514222 >>6513318 That doesn't get you Instagram likes though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 19:35:09 2021 No.6514285 Basic PNG done, now all I need to do is the emotions. Ah, I wish there was more time in the day...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 19:35:30 2021 No.6514297 >>6513070 Haven't been there in a while actually, though i can see how it can be interpreted as if i still go there

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 19:36:37 2021 No.6514343 >>6514297 just remember the last person around here and wvt who had a malehera breakdown about how female streamers have it easy got made fun of so much he graduated

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 19:39:00 2021 No.6514410 >>6514343 Oh, i wouldn't bring my personal politics up, if i ever mention 4chan stuff it'd just be /g/ memes

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 19:43:30 2021 No.6514554 newbie here, I thought streamlabs was a donation mediator(idk a good word for it) but it actually is a streaming software?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 19:45:50 2021 No.6514624 >>6514554 Streamlabs has a version of OBS that natively uses their alert shit It's exactly identical to OBS but is less optimized, and locks you into doing things their way

Anonymous Tue Jul 13 19:49:34 2021 No.6514727

>>6514554
streamlabs is a brand. they have their own version of OBS that comes included with a bunch of widgets and shit. one of those widgets is paypal integration so donations are stupid simple.

but you can set all of that up on your own without using the shitty SLOBS by just configuring the plugins yourself on OBS Studio.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 19:52:25 2021 No.6514816 >>6514624 >>6514727 thank you anons. I literally just started wanting to do vtubing the other day and I'm looking through a lot of places to learn the ropes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 19:56:02 2021 No.6514938 >>6514816 first thing to do is read the opsec guide and start on the portion about the dox sites if your name is out there. Sometimes it takes google up to a couple weeks to refresh their data so you want to start early on that

Anonymous Tue Jul 13 19:57:09 2021 No.6514977

>>6514624
I find it weird that they advertise as simpler than OBS, for me OBS was simple and SL was the complicated one, i suppose they mean simpler to set up things like alerts and donos (My use case was just streaming my screen with a mic, didn't set anything else up)

Anonymous Tue Jul 13 19:57:48 2021 No.6514997

>>6514816
>>6514938
this. but don't rush to try and get everything done. there's a dumb number of those public data sites, you can do a couple a day while you get your accounts and social media set up, wait for artwork, etc. you're not at much risk of doxxing early on since very few people won't even know you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 19:59:06 2021 No.6515044 >>6514977 it's simpler to set up alerts and overlays since they just plop them all inside the software and give you a ton to buy or drag and drop in but you can do anything in OBS you can do in SLOBS if you spend about 30 minutes on it

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 20:05:01 2021 No.6515288 >>6515044 Figured it'd be along those lines, thanks tho

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 20:07:01 2021 No.6515363 Made a jpg to bmptube with. Its ugly but at least gives me something to use.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 20:07:33 2021 No.6515377 File: 63 KB, 640x480, 1335757089667.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hey /asp/ies. Anyone wanna teach me how to play Kenshi? https://www.youtube.com/illreviewanything https://www.twitch.tv/illreviewanything

Anonymous Tue Jul 13 20:12:12 2021 No.6515544
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Sweaty fatty catty here, I know I posted on the tail end of the thread but I wanted to know how I'm doing so far with the material. Anything of note that I need to work on alongside the tech?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 20:22:06 2021 No.6515889 >>6514938 >>6514997 I actually did some light opsec, searching myself online. turns out, years of being a lurker and mininal interaction online seemed to have kept me hidden and buried. also sharing a name with other higher profile people too

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 20:22:41 2021 No.6515917 >>6515544 avoid asking questions to the viewers then continuing your zatsudan, it sends mixed signals

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 20:31:39 2021 No.6516275 i hate having to finagle with audio issues for every fucking game. some games are way too loud in my headphones, but barely audible on the stream or vice versa. FUCK

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 20:32:45 2021 No.6516311 >>6515917 Is there an art to the zatsudan that I'm too autistic to understand that's deeper than just shooting the shit with your viewers?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 20:39:46 2021 No.6516543 File: 33 KB, 600x750, 1600.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I demand opera!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 20:44:32 2021 No.6516693 >>6515917 so, just wait for a response aft er asking a question? what if they don't answer

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 20:46:29 2021 No.6516770 >>6516311 Yes. Typically you should have a story or discussion planned out in advance with the opportunity for audience interaction but not necessarily relying on them. You should be the one steering the train, not the viewers.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 20:52:37 2021 No.6516970 >>6516543 I was planning to include Tamino's portrait aria from Die Zauberflöte in a classical karaoke stream. Will that satisfy you?

Anonymous Tue Jul 13 20:57:21 2021 No.6517158

well if youre wondering if cyberlive was true or not about the statement of giving their talents freedoms, the opening of their discord today and the voicecalls with talents directly in them unfiltered and hylo being insane are fucking wild
so uh, consider gen 2 if you want no limits but also they all may be insane?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 20:59:23 2021 No.6517217 >>6516770 Thanks for the advice! Usually I just do it to clear dead air or when there's not a likely chance at a response. I'll try and come up with some stories for next time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:10:06 2021 No.6517554 >>6516970 You had better make a recorded video for it because I work night shift. Once I have enough savings, I will drop so much money on you.

Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:12:10 2021 No.6517614

>>6516543
I had an idea. We could make a general discussion for viewer demands on /vt/. We could call it /vwr/ or /panda/ (because we want you to pander to us).
>interesting but why a separate thread
Firstly, because we need a place where viewers's desires are prioritized. The corporate discussions are only for reacting to what mass-appealing garbage they toss to us and /asp/ and /aud/ are for the content creators.
This /panda/ general discussion would be for our niche desired to be aired out in the open. If all goes well, it will attract people willing to humor us. If not, we'll at least get to discuss the state of the medium/genre as a whole and how it can better fit our tastes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:13:46 2021 No.6517671 >>6517614 What?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:18:55 2021 No.6517842 >>6517614 Is that not wvt or

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:21:48 2021 No.6517955 >>6517614 /wvt/ is the viewer thread this is the newbie thread where all the newbie questions get asked

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:23:38 2021 No.6518013 >>6517554 I'll probably record it this week and throw it up on my channel, then. I've already got a playlist for barbershop, so I'll add one for classical. Planning to record a bunch of lieder as well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:25:39 2021 No.6518075 >>6517842 In the best case scenarios, yes, but it has moved beyond that and it has become to insular to outsiders. We need a fresher influx of people.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:26:40 2021 No.6518111 >>6517955 >/wvt/ is the viewer thread How new are you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:27:14 2021 No.6518127 >>6518111 how new are you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:27:38 2021 No.6518142 >>6516543 i'm not trained in opera but i can try (and fail)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:27:41 2021 No.6518143 >>6518013 Please link your channel again. I forgot to subscribe las time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:31:07 2021 No.6518268 >>6518143 Sure. I'm still waiting on a PNG so I'm using clip art for the time being, but I'll be streaming regularly. Still coming to grips with using OBS but I'm getting better. https://youtube.com/channel/UC32cEmDnlh9UQfu_TWHrbGg

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:32:59 2021 No.6518329 File: 301 KB, 602x485, no.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] yeah this whole networking thing isn't gonna happen.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:34:26 2021 No.6518371 >>6518329 These threads are so fucking cringe but I've gotten decent traction from them. Just close your eyes and post anyway, anon.

Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:35:23 2021 No.6518395
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>>6518329
>drop your png
>no follow up
>no benefit to audience
gross
some chuubas do art doodles of "i want to draw your vtuber!" or some who have a background make tier lists like pic related. at least it's something fun that encourages people to return to the thread/stream to watch the outcome.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:37:11 2021 No.6518459 >>6518127 I've been discussing virtual Youtubers here since 2018.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:37:55 2021 No.6518481 >>6517614 >interesting but why a separate thread you quoting me and I'm not even in this thread yet, interesting here's my take as a former splitschizo for multiple generals in the past, it won't work

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:38:06 2021 No.6518486 >>6518459 here hasn't even been around for a year yotu dumbfag.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:38:28 2021 No.6518495 >>6518486 >he doesn't know about the back

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:38:31 2021 No.6518496 >>6518486 Ah, so you truly are new.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:39:35 2021 No.6518528 >>6518481 Then should it be a ritual post?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:40:00 2021 No.6518541 >>6518528 no it's just a dumb fucking idea

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:41:33 2021 No.6518596 >>6518528 tell me what it will accomplish that can't be accomplished in the other threads?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:41:58 2021 No.6518607 Just hit 900 Twitch followers but barely manage to break 15 viewers. What am I doing wrong?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:42:34 2021 No.6518626 Are there any small agencies or groups run by women? I don't trust male ran agencies, I can only image they're weebs trying to get their dicks wet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:43:01 2021 No.6518636 >>6518607 ignore it and just keep streaming. 15 consistent viewers is good, just means you probably got some pity follows from a few raids.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:43:34 2021 No.6518649 >>6518607 Don't worry about follows, following is free, watching someone takes time. If you feel like something is wrong, consult your content instead of looking at follower number.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:44:01 2021 No.6518668 >>6518607 1% rule, about 1% of your follows will actually come back and tune in

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:44:26 2021 No.6518678 >>6518541 Incorrect. >>6518596 The fact that it HASN'T been accomplished in others.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:44:39 2021 No.6518687 >>6518626 Tsunderia, who actually have auditions open right now. https://tsunderia.com/audition-info/ >>6518607 based off the average 1% rule of (1% of twitch followers will be active viewers) you're actually doing incredibly well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:46:19 2021 No.6518754 >>6518687 Isn't tsunderia run by PPP? I know Urara and Char help, but they seem more like low level managers.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:49:26 2021 No.6518865 >>6518678 alright, I'll humor you what becomes of /wvt/ when the viewers exodus to this thread of yours it becomes full of shills and nothing else, dying this is an age old tactic used to kill generals

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:49:58 2021 No.6518880 >>6517158 link to discord?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:50:34 2021 No.6518911 >>6518865 >it becomes full of shills and nothing else, dying So, no different from this one.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:51:08 2021 No.6518924 >>6518880 https://twitter.com/cyberlivecorp/status/1414806255877582848

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:51:09 2021 No.6518925 >>6518911 i only see 2 posts that come remotely close to a "shill" post, what are you talking about?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:52:20 2021 No.6518974 Rin put on a fucking trip

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:52:50 2021 No.6518984 >>6518911 this thread is dying, I won't deny it I've posted in these threads a total of 12 times before this thread, and it has been a while I'm only in this thread for you quoting me

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:53:58 2021 No.6519022 >>6518974 Rin is busy being a retard elsewhere

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:54:09 2021 No.6519027 the thread is dying because you came in and dropped a fucking menhera episode on a discussion about how to set up OBS and stream accounts

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:56:12 2021 No.6519096 >>6519022 That schizo episode last night was really something else. Dude needs help

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:58:25 2021 No.6519179 my favorite vtuber is Ame but Kiara is my inspiration to keep vtubing

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 21:58:59 2021 No.6519201 >>6518974 lol what? Where is he posting?

Anonymous Tue Jul 13 22:03:19 2021 No.6519394

>>6519179
I've recently really taken a liking to Yuuna from tsunderia.
Nice small streams, but she's so well spoken and comfy. If she streamed during better hours I'd oshi her in an instant.

Alot of the other tsunderia girls are still fairly rough but still enjoyable but definitely in need of experience, Yuuna feels like someone I wouldn't be surprised if she gets poached by holo or niji because of how good she is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 22:05:20 2021 No.6519478 >>6519394 Speaking of being "poached", is it considered rude to try and join a smaller group like Tsunderia and then tryout for Niji/Holo anyway?

Anonymous Tue Jul 13 22:10:32 2021 No.6519689

>>6519478
Lol not at all. Always have your doors open to better opportunities. Sure it sucks to consider the fact that you're leaving a group (possibly of your close friends of fellow vtubers) behind in favor of a different company, but at the end of the day that's all you're doing. Moving from one job to the next.

Don't ever feel bad about applying to another job.

Anonymous Tue Jul 13 22:10:56 2021 No.6519703

>>6519478
Well most have contracts.
But considering tsunderia specifically outlines it in their FAQ that as long as you stay for your contracted term, theyre "fine" with it. Its probably not the most terrible thing in the world.

Still kinda a dick move though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 22:11:47 2021 No.6519747 https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1415131672475955200 new nijisanji group of your potential senpais announced

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 22:13:53 2021 No.6519841 >>6519747 Looks kinda cool. Get a rock vibe from them. I'll see how debut goes, not the hugest fan of lazulight I want some more energy and creativity.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 22:16:28 2021 No.6519956 >>6519747 gonna see how their debuts go before putting in my audition tape t. male

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 22:20:24 2021 No.6520097 >>6519747 God, if I make it in, I really hope I will have some cool bros as my batchmates, these 3, as well as the first, feel like they're pushing too hard for the "haha cute girl" aspect

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 22:21:56 2021 No.6520159 >>6520097 I'm going to be a full chuuni spurg on and likely off stream. If you wanna watch anime together I'd be down for it though, my guy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 22:35:31 2021 No.6520637 tip for the anons who aren't very good at art and are drawing their own avatars for PNGtubing you can use curve tool to make nice clean precise smooth lines if you have trouble freehanding it though it might make your stuff look a little flat

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 22:47:55 2021 No.6521112 >>6520097 >>6520159 Wouldn't it be something if one of us makes it in? Full-on chuuni guy, a professor, what other personalities have we got here?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 23:20:45 2021 No.6522435 >>6519747 Cool, looking forward to seeing what they're like at debut

Anonymous Tue Jul 13 23:41:11 2021 No.6523131

After being autistic about having to draw my own, I just cut my losses and bought a stock photo to use till I can get my shit together. I don't know when I'd have even a proper PNG but it seems like if I don't start now the chances are going to get more and more slim of me starting

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 23:43:14 2021 No.6523198 File: 55 KB, 1280x720, 1612575492004.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hi /asp/, could you stop raiding /wvt/ and stay here in your thread please? Thank you very much.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 23:47:46 2021 No.6523333 >>6523198 you don't even know

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 00:06:10 2021 No.6523975

Anyone have good advice on how to avoid clipping when singing something with a wide dynamic range, or for balancing for a wide dynamic range in general? Even turning input levels way down, at my loudest, I often cause clipping, and worry then that the softs are far too soft. I can't try to audio engineer in real-time while singing, at least not effectively. I'm musicanon, not audio engineering anon.

Just recorded this, but the quietest parts are hard to hear over the accompaniment, and the loudest parts caused so much clipping that I had to apply crazy clip fix in Audacity to prevent it from being massively unpleasant. I'm several feet away from my microphone, so I'm not sure what more I can do. Audio engineering tips?

https://voca.ro/1iYXOokGrFvL

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 00:09:36 2021 No.6524128 >>6521112 If you are Musicanon, I guarantee you I will ask you for help with learning how to sing

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 00:11:47 2021 No.6524254

>>6524128
I am, ask away! I'm good with the singing part, not so good with the audio engineering side of things. During the pandemic, I've had to do a lot of home recording, and it usually turns out fine, but for bigger stuff, I've always been able to either go into a studio, or in person live recording (which I'm not engineering).

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 00:24:54 2021 No.6525015 >>6519747 I'm stupid and was going to ask if they had second gen already from the auditions that just closed. On that, has anyone reported any views on their videos?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 00:36:10 2021 No.6525542 >>6520097 I hope so too I'm a /jp/ nijifag who applied but I feel like I would unironically vibe with holomyth girls better

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 00:47:18 2021 No.6526045 I WANT MY MODEL GOD DAMN IT

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 00:51:22 2021 No.6526241 >>6526045 GO AND TAKE IT THEN, FAGGOT

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 00:52:45 2021 No.6526321

I streamed for 6 months and only worked my way up to 10 concurrent per night. Some days 5 some days 35.

Last night I made an onlyfans with a completely different, completely unrelated name from my twitch account, $14.99 only. 300 fucking people bought it and I only have one bikini pic that doesn't even show my face. After ONE DAY!

I never advertised it or linked it anywhere, and as far as I can tell there is no search function on onlyfans so how did my page already accumulate over 25,000 unique views when you can't even see the content without paying?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 00:53:52 2021 No.6526370 >>6526321 The male debuff...

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 00:54:47 2021 No.6526417 >>6526321 People desperately snapping up any lewds before OnlyFans cracks down on it

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 00:55:06 2021 No.6526430 >>6526321 Pics or didn't happen.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 00:57:36 2021 No.6526550 >>6526417 >>6526370 No no I am a male. Not even femboy or Twink. Full hairy chest/ass bikini pic. OF even begins with "Hairy******". Is it just that there are so few men on onlyfans compared to women?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:06:08 2021 No.6526911 All 3 of NijiEN2 are well known artists, singers, etc who were past vtubers. It's not looking good for /asp/ies trying to join anything short of Amber Glow

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:07:17 2021 No.6526970 >>6526550 Yeah, it's because of the lack of men on there. Women actually really like guys putting themselves out there, especially if they're doing something silly like a bikini pic. You got yourself a good niche there, anon.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:07:41 2021 No.6526989

>>6526911
yeah, that was kind of the original purpose of this thread. it was pretty obvious that none of /asp/ or /auds/ would get in with zero experience. if an /asp/ie started back in Feb when this all started and consistently streamed, they'd have 5 months of experience under their belt. just 3 months short of what Pomu and Elira had when they stopped being indie.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:09:34 2021 No.6527069

>>6526989
The experience isn't all that matters. I have a year and I don't think I'm any closer to being picked than people here with zero experience. They want big, established content creators and people who are proven. Finana was either an exception or has some big contnet creation experience elsewhere. Despite being TBA, she made it to final rounds of HoloEN auditions, I think had a pretty solid TWitter, and made it into NijiEN despite never going live as her character afaik

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:10:05 2021 No.6527094 >>6527069 sounds like you've been doing something wrong then

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:11:52 2021 No.6527172 >>6527094 If you think pure experience is all that's required then I've got some bad news for you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:12:27 2021 No.6527192 >>6527172 so what else do you need, knowitallchama?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:14:28 2021 No.6527275 >>6527192 personality, and a light touch of mental issues.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:14:59 2021 No.6527300 >>6527275 Aw shit boys, I'm in!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:16:48 2021 No.6527374 >>6527275 >streaming for a year >still no personality mysterychuubachama...

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:21:10 2021 No.6527561

Today something nice happened: a couple friends were streaming and I asked them to let me in in their call to talk about gachashit and other stuff. Usually streams don't break 15 people, but this time managed to get 25 people hooked while simply talking with them. I think I'm finding my strong point may be zatsudans, or simply I'm better at having a conversation than I thought. Can't wait to have everything ready to start streaming and see how I fare.
Stay hopeful, /asp/ies.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:24:04 2021 No.6527664 >>6527069 It irks me that Vtweeting is rated so highly it seems. Yeah I get that twitter interactions are cool and all, but shouldn't you be a streamer first and foremost

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:24:40 2021 No.6527692

Wait you don't really think that streaming for a year guarantees you can get into an org right?

>>6527192
You need a history of successful content creation, successful social media reps, a decent voice. It's not just "Well, I've put in the time. Guess I'm guaranteed to get into an org!"

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:25:53 2021 No.6527745 >>6527692 >Wait you don't really think that streaming for a year guarantees you can get into an org right? literally no anon said this. stop putting words into anons' mouths

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:33:19 2021 No.6528053 Just finished my debut stream. Think I did pretty well, got complemented on my voice and was told that I nailed it by a few people, so I'm quite happy. Managed to last for 2 hours and 40 minutes as well, which is pretty good.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:34:07 2021 No.6528086 >>6528053 congrats anon!! hold onto that feeling and let it build momentum as you start streaming regularly!!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:34:49 2021 No.6528117 >>6527664 They were obviously good enough to get to Holo finals and into Niji, I doubt it was only vtweeting.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:36:54 2021 No.6528204 >>6526911 Who are the new Nijis?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:40:59 2021 No.6528354 >>6528204 Check the other threads.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:43:05 2021 No.6528428 >>6528204 1 mil orca, well known artist, and fan favorite singer

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:44:22 2021 No.6528476 so basically, just be rich and you have a better chance at getting into an agency. >pomu >nova >finana >the three new ones >holos

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:46:09 2021 No.6528551 >>6528476 Damn son, you figured out the secret to life itself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:47:10 2021 No.6528591 >>6528428 >>6528354 Spoonfeed me. It's not roommate shit if they were previously vtubers.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:49:14 2021 No.6528667

>>6528476
I actually wanted to ask this as well. I have a friend that insists I'll be wasting my time, but I may get sponsored on a decent pc and a mic if Iplay my cards right. The model I'm gonna use a free one so I'll work on the rest myself, but I wanted to know if I even have a chance with that equip sponsorship.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:50:11 2021 No.6528700 >>6528667 it's wealth beyond just equipment anon. it's having the money to just buy connections, buy fanart, buy custom music, hire a mixer and producer for multiple original songs, etc.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:53:22 2021 No.6528848 >>6528700 I see, dubsanon. May or may not at least have enough of a sponsorship to at least get custom BGM. I won't worry about songs because I won't focus on that, I have no singing talent.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:54:27 2021 No.6528889 >>6528848 What sort of prices are you looking at for BGMs?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:55:07 2021 No.6528923 >>6528591 Shachi, Miki, Dokibird

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:55:55 2021 No.6528962 >>6528889 I'd expect abou 100 bucks from what I heard around, but would love to hear more about prices and stuff.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:56:15 2021 No.6528975 >>6528476 >be rich Where does this even come from? How do you know they were rich? They might've gotten money through streaming which involved their skills, but they werent jsut randomly rich

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:57:28 2021 No.6529019 >>6528975 Pomu's previous life was able to afford a $6k commission for an original song

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:58:46 2021 No.6529060 >>6529019 Pomu was literally working a second job until just today.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:59:34 2021 No.6529090 >>6529060 which she specified during a superchat reading was ONLY for the healthcare benefits that it provided. and she even told her boss she's planning on quitting today.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 02:00:35 2021 No.6529131 >>6528923 Thank you >Dokibird >8k Twitter followers So you're telling me there's a chance..

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 02:03:53 2021 No.6529238 >>6529090 Okay? She was still getting paid dude.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 02:04:26 2021 No.6529256 >>6529238 okay? you can still be rich AND GET PAID

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 02:05:20 2021 No.6529291

>>6528848
I've been dabbling in doing BGMs for money the past year, I'd be more than willing to do some stuff for you for around 25-50 depending on complexity, 100 is around what I cap off at, I can share some stuff with you if you're interested via email. Like the big dick prices I charge is usually for shit that takes more than a week and requires me to actually record with physical instruments.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 02:06:59 2021 No.6529364 >>6529256 no anon, if you're rich, it's illegal to get paid for working. you know the rules.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 02:10:09 2021 No.6529457

>>6529291
>this may be music anon
Holy shit, I wasn't expecting this kind of response. I honestly don't want anything too complex, the BGMs that stick with people tend to be the simplest and catchiest, like Pekora's.
First I need to settle things with potential sponsor, so I'll be here for the time being. Still would like to have those samples.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 02:10:23 2021 No.6529469 >>6529256 No idea what your point is

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 02:11:18 2021 No.6529520 >>6529469 audition chances aren't looking too good for you if your reading comp reps are this weak

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 02:11:56 2021 No.6529550 >>6529457 You know Pekora's BGM is royalty free, right? You don't need to pay for anything besides hardware to get into this hobby. It honestly sounds like you're making excuses for yourself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 02:14:11 2021 No.6529630 >>6529550 I actually didn't know.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 02:14:31 2021 No.6529640

>>6529520
You haven't said anything of substance besides the fact that Pomu spent 6k on a song. I don't even know if that's true, but people can choose to spend their money however they want. That's by no means an indication that she's rich. She had a job. She chose to invest her money in that manner. There's nothing else you can extrapolate from that.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 02:15:58 2021 No.6529691

>>6529457
I can shoot you over some stuff but also another doable option is >>6529550

Lotta really good musicians dump stuff onto royalty free sites all the time, while I understand wanting the personal touch, it's good to look through what options to have and pull the trigger.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 02:16:53 2021 No.6529724 Really dumb question, but is there a good period of time after which a trend becomes „reusable“? Like, if I did „meme reviews“ for a specific game, should I wait a bit or it doesn’t matter.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 02:17:01 2021 No.6529728 >>6529691 Noted, thank you anon!

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 02:17:51 2021 No.6529755

>>6529640
do your fucking reading comprehension reps, you fucking retard. being rich gives you advantages over anything. you can be the most charismatic vtuber on the fucking planet but you'll be out marketed by an indie who can drop $6k for an original song they can tweet out and get 25k views on. drop another $5k in 100+ fanart pieces commissioned through skebs and get attention on yourself. another $5k for 2 different models and full body rigging for each just because you want to celebrate a birthday. have money, buy attention. with the exception of gura, that's how every other indie has gotten picked up by niji and holos.

read the fucking thread before you hop in with your lack of reading comprehension.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 02:18:05 2021 No.6529762 So who here unironically does it as a hobby and not for the numbers. Do you feel the effort is worth it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 02:19:06 2021 No.6529789 >>6529630 Well, I came off as unnecessarily rude then. Check the description of their videos. Most Holos use DOVA-SYNDROME. for their BGMs. Pomu does too. Pekora's BGM: https://youtu.be/DQweLHdlVWo Pomu's BGM: https://youtu.be/tof9BX4lixc

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 02:19:45 2021 No.6529810 >>6529755 Sad but true. A lot of those „organic growth stories“ come from investing into advertising. Apparently, you can eve pay to get on some compilation channels.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 02:22:46 2021 No.6529907 Which song did Pomu pay 6K for? And why?

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 02:24:03 2021 No.6529941

>>6529810
yeah. there's a reason why @EngVTuberOOC (one of the most popular envtuber meme twitter accounts with 150K+ followers) that publishes clips is 90% VShojo and only VShojo.

>>6529907
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz7xnpVB5OY
it was for a christmas event

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 02:24:05 2021 No.6529943 >>6529789 Thanks for the clue, anon.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 02:25:00 2021 No.6529980 >>6529762 Me. I just stream my training journey to be number 1 in the competitive scene of _____. I feel like having it be streamed pushes me to train harder.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 02:25:18 2021 No.6529988

>>6529755
You're saying rich people have an advantage, and give Pomu as an example, who is likely not rich.
>with the exception of gura, that's how every other indie has gotten picked up by niji and holos.
Completely untrue. Regardless, time is money. You can make music, videos, live2d, art, if you bothered sinking any time into learning any of those skills.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 02:29:43 2021 No.6530113 >>6529988 >give Pomu as an example, who is likely not rich. source: trust me bro >Completely untrue. source: trust me bro neck yourself

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 02:31:19 2021 No.6530177 >>6530113 ogey. You insinuated the opposite first with no sources.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 02:33:01 2021 No.6530244
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>>6530177
>with no sources.
>a link to a music video produced by Utalive Pro that charges $6k for the end product THAT IS THE MUSIC VIDEO is not a source
you really are retarded aren't you?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 02:34:21 2021 No.6530298 >>6530244 Complains about reading comprehension yet can't read. ngmi

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 02:35:00 2021 No.6530323 >>6530298 >source: no u stay retarded

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 02:50:22 2021 No.6530960 >>6529131 Despite the low follow count they're a pretty well known artist and have a history of good content creation and animations.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 03:00:49 2021 No.6531279

>>6529762
Hobbyist here, and yeah. I have the disposable income to do this, and it’s gotten me to revisit something I’ve always enjoyed doing in a whole new way. Every time I hit that “Start Streaming” button, it’s to put something out there nobody else is doing. That alone makes it worthwhile, and every single person that comes through to see what I’m doing is just icing on the cake.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 03:01:16 2021 No.6531295

>>6528667
What I did was:

>Made twitch account
>Bought followers 50 per day for 1 week
>Then between 200 and 600 per day for 1 month
At the same time
>Bought 15 chatting viewbots for 1 week
>Then 50 +5 for each day after for 1 month

By month 3 I had about 500 chatting viewbots and 90 organic watchers

>From month 3 -6 I tapered viewbots down by an interval of 1 every 2 days
>By the end of month 6 I had 850 viewers average per night with 0 viewbots.

Takes money to make money friend. Not a single big name streamer ever made it organically except converts from YouTube who already had MASSIVE followings. And I'm not 100% convinced they started with organic viewers either.

For instance "bucks", a CSGO and variety YouTuber with almost 1.5 mil subscribers averages like 20 viewers on twitch. And he's been streaming every day for like 2 years.

By the way of the thousands I spent (close to 15k) the first 3 months, I make more than 1.5x per month since. So the investment was worth. I'm not even entertaining, but people are more inclined to watch a boring ass retard with 800 others than the most entertaining person with 0 or even 50 others.

Good luck

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 03:04:00 2021 No.6531374 >>6531295 Based

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 03:07:26 2021 No.6531485 >>6531295 >500 chatting viewbots and 90 organic watchers how did you tell which were your bots and which were real?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 03:07:53 2021 No.6531499 >>6531295 Social proof and being first in the category sure is powerful

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 03:09:04 2021 No.6531536 >>6531295 >15k I don't think I'll be able to spend that much on artificial growth but I was considering buying a few followers and viewbots.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 03:10:01 2021 No.6531563 >>6531485 Because you pay for an amount of viewbots. If I pay for 50 and there are 900 people in my chat, 850 of them are legitimate. Addition and subtraction

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 03:10:53 2021 No.6531595 >>6531563 gotcha. figured there was some fuzzing so it didn't look so blatant when you had exactly 500 viewers

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 03:14:41 2021 No.6531710

>>6531536
Viewbots are MUCH MORE valuable than followers. Honestly followers don't mean shit but I did it only to lessen suspicion of my viewbots. If you are only going to purchase like 15-20 viewbots I wouldn't even worry about followers at all. But if you go 100+ make sure your follower count is at least 10x your concurrent viewers or twitch might become suspicious and "look into it".

But then again they can never prove it unless you show it on stream. I just wanted to be safe and I had a budget when I started so it was already included and wasn't "extra".

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 03:17:41 2021 No.6531797 Hey hopefuls, Just remember that time waits for no one. The year is already halfway over. Do what makes you happy. Really and truly happy. Something you can make great memories of, so in the future, you'll have some fun stories to tell with friends.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 03:18:12 2021 No.6531814 >>6531710 Bro what site did you use for viewbots? I don't want to give any sketchy Chinese company my credit card info. I want to make sure it's a legitimate Chinese company.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 03:19:31 2021 No.6531843 >>6531710 That's very helpful, anon. I think I'll see if I can get a couple dozen just to get some extra push. >>6531814 Fucking hell, anon, you made me choke on my iced tea.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 03:20:03 2021 No.6531864

>>6531595
The viewbot websites are pretty sophisticated. You can "purchase 500" and they will trickle in over a specified period of time, with constraints you set.

Like 5 pm start:
5:15 12 viewers
5:17 25 more
5:25 subtract 25 viewers
5:30 add 50 more

Etc and you can specify exactly how many and at what time they appear. To be honest though if I were to have only done 20-50 total, I may have ended up at 850 in the same timeframe anyway though.

Most categories I streamed in 50 viewers would put me in at least top 2. But you have to align your current viewer count with a category that only 1 or 0 people would be ahead of you in if I'm making sense. I had a lot to drink in a short period of time and it's getting hard for me to focus

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 03:26:51 2021 No.6532030

>>6531814
The one I used was viewerlabs. But they have changed to a monthly subscription service, rather than "per 24 hours" like I used.

I believe they have packages that include viewers, chatters and followers now but there are probably hundreds of other sites that are on par with or better, I just haven't used any others.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 03:27:03 2021 No.6532039 >>6531864 that's pretty wild. sounds like it's worked well for you. might look into it myself in the future once i go live.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 03:29:16 2021 No.6532101 >>6532039 Really anything to get you over the 0 viewer hump will be a huge benefit in any category that isn't CSGO, valorant, league, wow.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 03:41:09 2021 No.6532382

>>6528889
Depends exactly what you're after. Custom BGM you're probably looking at around $.75-$2 per minute, based on looking up "custom music" on fiverr and checking a few results. Obviously, some of this is going to be terrible, and it's BGM, rather than songs.

Shizoku has a ~20 second loop of BGM playing at the start of her vids, and that's maybe a bit short - it's a noticeable loop, and not entirely smooth. But it's better than nothing.

If you want to get something high-end, you're looking at significantly more than the $2/second though, and then if you want vocals?

OTOH, you can get DMCA free BGM (on fiverr, again), for $5/hour, it just won't be yours. There's often sales as well if you're picking up more than one track. Never listened to any of them the whole way through, so dunno on quality

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 03:44:37 2021 No.6532450 The concept of viewbots scares me. If someone were to find out your voice & reputation would be tainted forever.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 03:45:25 2021 No.6532469 >>6532450 Also what's even the point of streaming then when you know that most of your "viewership" doesn't exist?

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 03:48:13 2021 No.6532536

>>6532469
I have to agree with that anon abbout numbers. Numbers attract people and even if you are boring if they see you have a few hundred viewers they will at least check you out and see what's up. We're gregarious animals, even online, big crowds attract even bigger crowds.
Of course there's the riskof being found out, but you get my point why people do it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 03:48:39 2021 No.6532542 >>6532469 Well the point is to use the bots to transition to real viewer gains, but I get what you mean.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 03:52:30 2021 No.6532630 >/asp/ now advocating for viewbotting honestly fucking hilarious but quite on brand with you faggots.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 03:53:00 2021 No.6532638 >>6531864 Very tempted, Anon, I have to admit. Don't you worry about the potential leak though?

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 03:56:52 2021 No.6532714

Anyone able to point me towards someone who does decent streamcuts?

Currently, I've been uploading mu (2-view) VODs to YT, and maybe shilling them during stream/on twitter. But they're just the video of me playing whatever I did during stream.

What the hell do you cut it down for highlights, or do you wait until you've cleared the game? I feel a lot of what I've got wouldn't be worth keeping in a compilation, but I dunno what to aim for?

I'm thinking I could do a 'highlights', but in a slower game, there's not many, and in GSG, it's confusing to skip around too much due to RNG. Other thought would be taking everything OOC, like the 'reframe trailer of [film] so it's a horror'

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 04:06:05 2021 No.6532934

>>6532714
I'm not sure what GSG is, but with any game you want to outline the general plot or direction that game took, use it as your backbone, and then sprinkle in some highlights in between. And trust me, this works with nearly all games.

A singleplayer story game is easy, just lay out a few clips of the most important parts of the game so the viewer understands what's happening plotwise, and intersperse it with fun entertaining gameplay moments.

Otherwise a plotless game (typically a multiplayer one) can work in much the same way. A single round of a multiplayer game goes in a particular direction, it itself is a little story of what players did during that match, and a good match to clip is one with a roller-coaster of emotions and cause and effects. Show the important aspects of your match, like you and your team maybe losing, but then a turning point where after capturing some objective you're winning (just as an example). Then, once again, space out these important moments and put in some fun highlights in between.

What the viewer gets isn't just an ooc highlight compilation, but a summary of the whole game itself + the funniest juiciest moments. If you ever need to see some examples, I'd highly recommend watching Mr. Sark. He isn't a vtuber, but his videos are fucking fantastic and he's one of the best editors out there, and you could learn a thing or two about watching how he cuts down his streams into great videos.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 05:16:44 2021 No.6534480 Are Niji EN's second wave enough to convince you guys to focus more on smaller orgs and doing your streaming reps instead of hoping you're magically picked?

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 05:18:24 2021 No.6534519

hey sorry if i'm offtopic but i thought this general would be the best place to ask this: what's the situation traccking wise? i'm still ne to vtubing but am curious of the tech involved behind the scenes. i saw recently GirlDM on youtube and her tracking seems really something else. is this the way Vtubers will move forward? what's to be expected in future developments of the tech?
thanks for the patience, whoever reads this blog

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 05:19:18 2021 No.6534529 >>6534480 No.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 05:26:39 2021 No.6534680 >>6534480 I'm male, there's no way I'm going to be part of an org unless and until I'm one of the top earners on Twitch anyway.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 05:34:34 2021 No.6534839 >>6534480 I’m considering Tsunderia. No other orgs have that appealing of designs to me. What do you even do if your company-given design sucks?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 05:42:48 2021 No.6535041 >>6534839 Typically you either have input or know what you're applying for

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 05:55:18 2021 No.6535358 >>6531797 Even if nobody watches. Even if nobody cares. I’ll be here for as long as I can, calling for those who will answer.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 05:57:47 2021 No.6535419 >>6528962 God I'm so happy my friend does music, free bgm

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 05:58:25 2021 No.6535428
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>my rigger went full menhera mode and I havent seen any progress on my rigging ever since
Are there any actually good live2d tutorials, or should I just draw an idle animation of my character and pray that I'll get enough money for a better rigger one day?

I keep PNGstreaming and it only brought up 4 average viewers (after 2weeks of streaming) so far.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 06:00:43 2021 No.6535494 >>6530244 6k for something you really want isn't really rich, that's fairly normal hobby numbers. Also on the holo side, Kiara and Mori are both 2 nobodies who work shitty minimum wage JET jobs no? Mori never even streamed before and got into holoen.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 06:00:49 2021 No.6535498 >>6532638 Go into categories where a difference of 10-15 viewers can put you on the second row. If you only have 5-10 bots you’ll probably slip through the cracks. Remember, bots are only the leg up in the beginning.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 06:01:58 2021 No.6535524 >>6535494 sounds like someone wasn’t a craps devil fan.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 06:02:25 2021 No.6535539

>>6534680
this is very narrow thinking when you consider all those people wouldn't even consider abandoning their viewbase and hard work to take a smaller pay cheque and have tons of restrictions.

Not saying numbers can't help you get in the door, but your competition isn't the top of anything lmao

Maybe if it were Hololive, but not Niji.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 06:03:43 2021 No.6535567 >>6534480 Na nothing new. I've been wanting to get into a smaller company since the start. Preferably an American based one.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 06:05:04 2021 No.6535609

>>6534680
If you're at the top of Twitch you're a millionaire. You realistically only need a few hundred viewers or a solid Youtube account to be considered for Niji, that's just less common with males. The male they pick will probably just be a fujobait voiceguy though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 06:05:21 2021 No.6535617 >>6535539 Nah senpai, look at wave 2. It's over. We're all losers and we're never gonna make it. At least that's what these sad cunts want to believe.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 06:06:47 2021 No.6535656 >>6535617 Threadly reminder that the avatar is 5% of the channels success.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 06:07:59 2021 No.6535687

>>6535428
YoshinoArt has some good in depth tutorials but hasn't put out a ton yet - her tutorial on eyes is excellent though, and there's Brian Tsui but I actually like his tutorials less. Omori Kira has some decent videos too, particularly on how to do the mouth which I wish I'd found before I started. I'd also recommend watching to English official live2d tutorials just to have some idea of what's going on in the program too.

I'm rigging my own PNG and it's difficult but fun. Good luck!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 06:09:00 2021 No.6535706 >>6535494 >2 nobodies You know Mori still had great views on her vids even before they got boosted by joining Holo, right? And Kiara was still a cosplayer with a decnt following. None of them were nobodies, you just didn't know anyone but Gura.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 06:12:44 2021 No.6535789 >>6535706 Not literal nobodies, but relatively yeah. And more importantly they weren't rich. They were rather average people.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 06:14:33 2021 No.6535833 >>6535706 Kiara was doing poorly enough that she outright said she was gonna quit everything and become a wagecuck before Hololive happened. Even if you get a bit of success online, you can be a nobody for anything else.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 06:14:57 2021 No.6535843 >>6535789 > Kiara wasn't rich Oh anon...

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 06:15:44 2021 No.6535859 >>6535789 Her and Mori both are upper middle class.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 06:16:57 2021 No.6535891 >>6535859 >>6535843 >b-but they're not living in the ghettos so they're rich Oh I forgot its SEAfag hours. You're the same dumb faggots that think $100 for a good meal is expensive.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 06:18:24 2021 No.6535931 >>6535789 Relative to what? Gura? Sure, but they were still experienced people that had large followings, not just randos who saw some suggestions on how to be a vtuber on 4chan. i wish aspies were more realistic with their expectations.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 06:20:13 2021 No.6535976 >>6535891 If you dove in their roommates social media deep enough, you’d know I was right.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 06:21:43 2021 No.6536008 >>6535976 Upper middle class is fucking average tier faggot. That just means you're not a literal fry cook and make 6 figures. Nobody would call that rich.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 06:22:50 2021 No.6536029 >>6535931 You're a lot of fun.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 06:23:51 2021 No.6536056 >>6536008 6 figures is not rich what are you high that’s a house in a decade if you play your cards right.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 06:26:45 2021 No.6536114 >>6536056 >having a house is rich Nigga what? I just graduated like 3 years ago and I'm about to buy a house now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 06:28:09 2021 No.6536144 >>6536114 >Going to school is rich Bitch in most countries that's free.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 06:28:13 2021 No.6536146 File: 87 KB, 1058x777, ptp.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hiya /asp/! Are these numbers okay? I'm really bad at reading these kind of things.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 06:29:16 2021 No.6536165 >>6536114 Try doing that without a mortgage bud

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 06:29:25 2021 No.6536168 >>6536146 You seem to have played a debuff game compared to your last stream. But it's probably fine if it's a non-0 number.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 06:32:02 2021 No.6536211 >>6536165 I could just ask my parents for half of it if I really needed. Not that big of a deal.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 06:32:12 2021 No.6536215

>>6536168
Definitely! I switched games midstream but retained my numbers though which made me happy. The stream before had some fairly big raids where a lot of people stayed though so I think it kind of evens out.

I'm most excited that I've managed to raise my floor a lot. Not a single <20 average viewers stream in a long time! I'm hoping the next step is no <30 average viewers! Small steps!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 06:33:51 2021 No.6536247 >>6536211 Well, good for you, I suppose. Keeping on keeping on o7

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 06:35:30 2021 No.6536279 >>6536146 Did you get raided in the beginning? It's impressive that you're not seeing any large drops in view numbers, keeping them around I'm going to assume they're loyal and/or interested.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 06:37:03 2021 No.6536315 >>6536279 Nope, I had a smaller one (sub 10) about midway, but nope, this was a pretty slow day and I've learned to assume it won't happen, I once spent a month streaming without a single raid coming my way. Guess I'm bad at networking.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 06:43:42 2021 No.6536462

>>6536146
The most important number to look at is average viewers, if you can keep that number stead and growing then that's what matters. Hovering around a 30 average is fantastic depending on long ago you started. This is the point where you can start focusing on networking and hone your craft and grow from there.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 06:51:23 2021 No.6536633

>>6536462
Yeah I've been hovering in the 20s for the last couple of months but I'm seeing more of my streams becoming 30+, although the biggest change, like I mentioned, is that I haven't had a sub 20 stream in a long time, which is very encouraging for me!

I haven't seen as much growth as a lot of my friends who started around the same time as I did (beginning of the year) but hopefully I'll get there some day!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 06:53:54 2021 No.6536690 >>6536633 Good luck anon. Hope I'll be able to meet you soon, you beautiful motherfucker.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 07:01:29 2021 No.6536882

>>6536633
If I may ask, what do you stream? Networking with people in similar niches will be good. If you wish to bolster your numbers, market yourself in those niches and hopefully you'll get raided by those people or shilled by those people to people they know.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 07:04:01 2021 No.6536949

>>6536882
Of course!
I've been streaming Subnautica, Hollow Knight, I did some Final Fantasy XIV (which I know is a massive debuff, hence why I'm surprised I didn't lose any viewers when playing it) and I've played some retro games and Sekiro.

The screencap is from the Sekiro stream, but I also streamed mid-day EU time and that's always a gamble for me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 07:05:00 2021 No.6536970 >>6536949 I don't see minecraft in that list. Would subscribe.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 07:11:13 2021 No.6537117

>>6536949
I feel like everyone I give advice to is playing Sekiro and Hollow Knight..
If you're able to play games like FFXIV and not lose viewers you're on the right path because that most likely means people are there for you. I wouldn't push my luck with it though unless you're going to become an MMOChuuba.
Retro games is a good niche and it's my personal favorite so it's hard for me not to push someone to pursue more into it, retro captures all kinds of audiences, nostalgiafags, people who never played it so they're willing to watch someone play it, and people who respect cult classics. Networking in it is quite simple too, retro chuubas like to support one another a lot. Time zones will always be an annoyance but as long as you are consistent with it it should be fine.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 07:14:16 2021 No.6537188 >>6536970 God. My first and so far only Minecraft stream was an absolute shitshow. I kept dying to dumb stuff and at the end I had a dirt house and no tools. It was pretty funny though, I should probably do another one! I... even have a server...

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 07:15:52 2021 No.6537218

>>6537117
I do have an old gem coming up this week in terms of retro gaming (I've decided to have one game per week that can be finished in one sitting, hypothetically), and it's Earthworm Jim for the SNES.

It's not super well known anymore but it was my jam back when and I still think the music and graphics hold up really well, very catchy stuff.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 07:29:30 2021 No.6537769

>>6537218
Oh, I think I know who this is now..
It's good to see you trying out my advice from last time. I hope you're doing well.
I think that's a good idea, it's definitely important to have a game that people can see all the way through in a concise manner. Audiences can be fickle and missing out chunks of a game can be offputting, it seems like you've been playing some games for ages and if I was a viewer I would feel a bit burnt out on it, so having a game I can see all the way through would tear this sensation up.
I'm excited to see how that stream turns out, hopefully well. Keep up the good work.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 07:35:55 2021 No.6538020

>>6537769
Thank you for the support!

Yeah it's a dead giveaway lmao but I've decided to just roll with it; I'm here for advice to grow and if people find me here it's nbd.

I'll do my best too! I feel like I might drop Sekiro soon, it's a fun game but like you said it can cause viewer burnout a bit, and it's not much of a draw either. I'm stuck worrying that people will think I'm wishy-washy if I don't finish stuff...

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 07:43:42 2021 No.6538263

>>6538020
If you're not that far into it I think you can just be transparent and say you're not feeling it. I think you can make up for it by finishing other games, especially with the plans of playing shorter games.
I believe that people will only think that if you consistently are flakey (one streamer I saw started 3 new games in one week and we will most likely never see those games be played again), and it still takes a few times for people to get really annoyed at unfinished games if they truly care about you as a streamer and not just the content.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 07:45:57 2021 No.6538338

>>6538020
I also wanted to ask, how do your collab streams do, you mentioned trying to do at least one a week but personally I feel like collabs honestly don't bring too much as far as growth goes, I think if possible you should reconsider doing them twice a month or even once a month depending on performance, collabs take a very precious day out of other things you could be trying to finish.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 07:53:05 2021 No.6538644

>>6538338
Frankly I really love doing collabs and it's a chance for me to flex my interactions with others so out of a pure experience perspective it's fun for me and it's also a learning opportunity.

It really depends on the collab to be honest; I was in one with a couple of other people which was a real low point, I was the odd one out and I felt like it wasn't very entertaining for my viewers, I couldn't match the energy of the people I collabed with.

On the other hand, I've had a couple now that I felt went really well! I clicked with the person I streamed with and it's been fun, even if I was extremely nervous during one of them.

I'm on vacation so I have a lot of free time, so I'm more liberal with where I put it, but after vacation I'll likely cut down to once a month or even less; I feel like I need to do my "entertain chat reps" more.

>>6538263
Honestly it's a fun game that I enjoy, but I also think it's fairly niche and I'm not attracting the crowd who enjoy it, because my gameplay's basic and I'm not an expert on it.

I'll take this advice to heart, I truly appreciate it. I keep looking at SullyGnome for popular games but it's like... Rust, Dota 2, GTA 5, Counter Strike and WoW... none of which I'm particularly good at so I'm not sure if that'd be interesting to watch.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 07:54:39 2021 No.6538698

>>6538263
You sound experienced, I wanted to check something with you?

If I want to start a game with an extended opening sequence (say Skyrim, Monster Hunter, Nier, etc), is it worth loading after that point, playing through it, or continuing with an earlier savegame?

I can't imagine anyone wants to see me jump in with a level 80 sneak-archer, but we've all seen the Skyrim intro /so many times/ already, surely seeing it again isn't great?

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 08:05:50 2021 No.6539282

>>6538644
The problem with SullyGnome popular games is those really just take what the biggest streamers ever are playing and calculate it based on that, it's really shitty because if you were to play those you'd get dogged on hard (with the exception of GTAV probably). It's genuinely the hardest part of streaming is trying to gauge what your audience is looking for content wise.

>>6538698
This is a good question and it's a peculiar case. It's honestly all about you when it comes to popular games. Despite people having seen the intro to Skyrim many many times, it is famous, and if you were a first timer, people would like to see your reactions to it. However because you already have a character (and it's really deep in) I assume that you would know how to do a lot of things in the game already, and that might be a bit boring to watch also.
IMO you can consider two paths, either you start the game over and do completely different things, or if there's anything that is extensive that you have not done yet (like example you doing Fighters Guild would be 100% blind or w/e) I think that would be the way to go.
It would be kind of like how in MMO streams, people will just jump in because they're doing something they haven't done before, you didn't care about the gear progression, they like seeing things get done and you the streamer display your thoughts on such things.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 08:08:33 2021 No.6539384

>>6538698
Honestly you should play Skyrim for the lulz if you're streaming it.

Sneak-archers are the most boring (and effective) builds of Skyrim and everyone's see it.

Do a weird run and people might be more interested in tuning in, and as for the intro, if you can skip the tutorial part but still get the cutscene leading up to it, that would be ideal imho.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 08:10:00 2021 No.6539428

>>6539384
>>6539282
Thanks Anons.

I've got a savegame in Helgen, in between stepping off the carts and setting everything, so it skips the tedious cutscene but starts the game. I figured that would be a fine place to go, because everyone should know the cutscene if they're interested

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 08:14:19 2021 No.6539580

>>6539428
Yeah to piggy back off what the other anon said, definitely try to ham it up for the stream and have as much fun as you can. Just be wary that Skyrim is a long ass game, try to set a goal so you don't accidentally fall into viewer burnout hell or flush it too brazenly.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 08:18:17 2021 No.6539687

>>6539580
>long ass game
Yeah, it's getting added in a variety night vote. I stream a few times a week, once as an extended campaign (currently Crusader Kings), and once is community choice. Once the campaign is over, we'll switch what game gets played for that slot, and continue votes for the other stream.

But I find myself with a four day weekend, so was thinking I could try and get two or three extra ones this week.

Problem is I'm in Europe, so my hours don't line up with the US base at all. I'm considering getting up stupidly early (local time) one day, and streaming from 04:00, so around 20:00 US time, but I wouldn't be able to do it consistently, so the extra viewers wouldn't stick around unless I consistently fuck my own sleep patterns.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 08:21:21 2021 No.6539799

>>6539687
Why not try the opposite (stream in the evening so it would be afternoon for US), are all your viewers only available at that time? I notice that EU evening is actually pretty stacked because a lot of Americans are eating lunch trying to find something to watch (me included).

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 08:21:25 2021 No.6539802 >>6535859 Wasn’t Mori living in a bug infested show box and working like 3 jobs?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 08:25:03 2021 No.6539896 >>6539799 That's what I've tended to do - 1900 local time is 1300 CT, and I get some activity from people in the US, but majority is other people in Europe

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 08:25:20 2021 No.6539907

>>6539799
Not that anon, but I've been stream late night evening times myself, (2pm PT, 5pm ET), and, I'll admit my input might not bee too valuable considering I average like less than 10 viewers, but I notice in my analytics a significant chunk of my viewers are American, I've also been considering trying early EU (late US) streams, but I just don't know if I'm able to commit to something so early

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 08:27:43 2021 No.6539972 >>6539802 After she moved to japanland on an English teacher visa. Dunno about three jobs, she was making music in her spare time from jobbing.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 08:37:30 2021 No.6540258

>>6539896
>>6539907
Yeah honestly, it's much more important you find a slot that works for you and your health rather than try to squeeze in extra viewers. It means you have to work extra hard on shilling and networking to get those raids to get eyes on you but I think it's much worse having to deliberately wake up at 4AM like it's your job. If you have a steady base from specific areas, you are probably streaming at the right times and just need to get your name out there to get more people noticing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 09:10:39 2021 No.6541198 >>6523975 Checking in from last night, anybody got good advice for setting levels when dealing with a wide dynamic range from very soft to very loud?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 10:18:37 2021 No.6543136 For all of you desperate males, why don't you forsake the existing corporations in favor of making your own group? You'll have more creative freedom at least.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 10:22:08 2021 No.6543238

>>6541198
>>6523975
i don't know what your setup is like, so this is kind of catchall advice.
i think your best bet is to turn down the input gain on your mic/preamp down even further to prevent clipping. you can turn it back up in software. when you're recording, record and monitor with the compression on. for the comp, set the ratio so that you're not doing more than maybe 6-10db of gain reduction. don't set the release too long (will sound squashed), or the attack too fast (transients won't cut) or the threshold too low (will compress the quieter parts too, which you don't want). then redo the gain staging after the comp. just use your ears to set all of that, and A/B with a reference track to check everything sounds right. it'll take a few tries to get the compression settings right.
also, basic shit like don't move around.
if you send a backing track and raw vocals (no fx) with a wide dynamic range and without clipping, I could try to show you what I think would sound good. it's hard to explain in writing

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 10:22:57 2021 No.6543262 >>6543136 I'm a little tempted to make a small /asp/ group, I'm sure its been done and /wvt/ has done it before though so haven't bothered.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 10:38:18 2021 No.6543647 >>6543238 That all makes sense to me, thanks anon. Would the same hold true for live vocals in something like a karaoke setting?

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 10:52:44 2021 No.6544045

>>6543647
yeah it'd be the same. sing with the comp on before the reverb. use the reverb on a send instead of directly on your vocals too. gives you more control over the sound and you won't sound so washed out.
the thing with the comp is that you don't want to bring up the quiet parts, it's to turn the loud parts down, so gain stage with that in mind. gain staging is extremely important for live settings because you can't fix those issues for the audience in post.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 10:58:23 2021 No.6544179 Anyone getting views on their vids? How many?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 11:01:52 2021 No.6544262 >>6544179 The last video I put up, last Thursday, has about 4.5k views and 453 hours watched. It's 15 minutes long.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 11:02:24 2021 No.6544271 >>6543262 We‘ll call it „The Randos“

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 11:08:36 2021 No.6544446 >>6544262 Well done!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 11:18:48 2021 No.6544668 >>6544045 Thanks a ton! I'm gonna mess around with settings until I can really sing forte without holding back without clipping, and work from there to level set. Appreciate the advice, anon.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 11:20:17 2021 No.6544706 >>6543262 why do you keep bringing this up but never taking action on it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 11:23:46 2021 No.6544787 >>6543262 I like your spirit but seeing the lack of people who were willing to reveal their identities when we were last asked to feed the chickens, I don't know how many people you're gonna get joining admitting they're from /asp/.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 11:25:59 2021 No.6544851 >>6543262 To be frank with you, I think it would really depend on whether or not the group had a theme or something. You know? What's the appeal...?

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 11:29:00 2021 No.6544939

>>6544851
It’s scrappy underdogs fighting to be recognised. We’re like the breakfast club, but realistic. And the gimmick would be that we all develop in unexpected ways. The singer would be really good at embroidery, the gamer will develop a penchant for painting etc.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 11:30:11 2021 No.6544969 >>6544939 all of this seems like it's happening already as indies, why would >we need a group?

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 11:30:17 2021 No.6544970

>>6544939
>>Sub ten viewers fighting for recognition

So like 95% of all VTubers out thee? Also you can't force a gimmick like unexpected development. This isn't anime where people will binge you to catch up, you have to act like every new streaming session is the first time for people tuning in.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 11:30:31 2021 No.6544980 >>6544939 So, by what you're saying, someone who knows what they can and can't do already wouldn't quite be able to join? I'm a little sad, but it's fine :(

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 11:30:44 2021 No.6544988 >>6543262 Memes aside, it might be worth messaging a known /asp/ie in the server and see if people want to approach you for it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 11:31:49 2021 No.6545015 >>6544939 >We’re like the breakfast club, but realistic. And the gimmick would be that we all develop in unexpected ways you want a cartoon show, not vtubers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 11:37:00 2021 No.6545179 File: 3.63 MB, 2792x2984, marie (2).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I want to use L2D but for /agdg/ any tips? I want to hone my skill so that I might be able to help out aspiring 'tubers in the future.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 11:41:46 2021 No.6545282

>>6544970
>>6545015
What, you thought vtubers (and idols) by extension don’t have a planned character arc trajectory? That’s literally the reason people watch beyond raw skill demonstration. Every reality show even nudges its contestants a certain way.
>>6544980
No, the opposite actually, we‘ll each get a specialisation but then will try different things as an excuse to avoid work because we are all procrastinating nobody idols. And then one of those could actually work out.

I just wrote this out of my ass, but the appeal for a person tuning in could be that we are roleplaying a company structure. Like in „the Play that goes wrong“

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 11:42:43 2021 No.6545304 >>6545282 >you thought vtubers (and idols) by extension don’t have a planned character arc trajectory? give me an example of a "planned character arc trajectory"

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 11:43:07 2021 No.6545314 >>6545282 Do we‘ll fake call each other and invent incompetent management situations as excuses to do stuff.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 11:44:14 2021 No.6545342

>>6545282
You're a fucking idiot.

I'm not even arguing whether that's true or not, I'm telling you this won't work because you lack the foresight and managerial skills to pull anything like this off. You need managers and people who are professional entertainers to keep an artificial story arc like this going.

What do HAVE is a bunch of beginner newbies who will tire of this narrative two weeks in when you're not getting anyone's result because no one will document your "arc" for others to see, unless you do it yourself (enjoy the self-shill and hours of going through VODs) and no one will care about literal whos and them learning to knit.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 11:46:58 2021 No.6545422

>>6545282
>noooo you're not following the planned character arc trajectory that i came up with noooooo
>what do you mean your viewers like your minecraft streams? you're supposed to develop into a musician
>noooo stop changing the story arc that i came up with, you have to listen to me because i'm the anon who came up with the idea and need to take credit for it noooo
>stop you're not allowed to make silly jokes anymore, your character is supposed to be more mature 4 months afterwards, nooo stop laughing you need to be serious that's how your character develops

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 11:48:28 2021 No.6545469 >>6545422 this

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 11:48:50 2021 No.6545478

>>6545282
>> but the appeal for a person tuning in could be that we are roleplaying a company structure. Like in „the Play that goes wrong“

How would you even sell this idea without constantly saying it on Stream?

Again, this is not anime. You can't fucking drop everything and do a plot exposition every five minutes because two new people dropped in and they're confused about why this person is singing karaoke when it says they should be playing Minecraft.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 11:50:22 2021 No.6545518

>>6545342
That’s the beauty of it dumdum. The narrative arc is broad and low-effort enough to allow us to explain anything away and roll with it. There’s nothing to pull off, just have basic improv skills in the group.
>Vods
Literally write it on a piece of paper and use it to inform decision making and acting

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 11:51:18 2021 No.6545552 File: 28 KB, 400x225, c3.png.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >54 views on my debut last night heh, not too shabby

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 11:52:17 2021 No.6545585

>>6545518
>>Actual fucking autist retard

Alright I'm done engaging with this. Anyone who only focuses on how easy something is going to be without realistically looking at the challenges is doomed to fail.

Enjoy trying to find suckers for this half-baked scheme, moron.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 11:55:54 2021 No.6545684 >>6545518 Just a point of interest; if you're caught streaming something while you're using tags for something else, that can actually get you in trouble with Twitch.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 11:58:41 2021 No.6545779

>>6545422
nta, but there's general ideas and plans they get pushed toward, usually with input by the vtuber themselves too.
Character arcs is probably calling it too much, but for example in nijisanji a lot of the members are asked what they want to be doing and moving toward, and the company helps get them there. So if someone wants to be a sports caster, they'll be allowed to move in that direction and the rest of their videos are in support of that.

Same with people who want to do music streams, its not so much 'planned' and 'directed', but there is a trend characters are pushed toward.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 11:58:51 2021 No.6545785 >>6545585 Dunno why you are so mad at me for expanding on anons idea, but okay. I’m not the guy who suggested the group, I literally made this all up in the last 15 minutes. >>6545684 Couldn’t we change tags midstream?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 11:59:58 2021 No.6545821 >>6545422 This is literally hololive. And especially coco.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:01:23 2021 No.6545863 >>6545779 >weak code switch still waiting for examples >>6545821 [citation needed]

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:02:22 2021 No.6545886 >>6545785 This idea is so simple, I can't believe nobody else has tried this. It only took me 15 minutes to think of it, and it's going to be sooooo easy! We'll get so many views.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:02:40 2021 No.6545900 >>6545552 Great job, anon! Do you have a schedule in place to keep the momentum up?

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:02:56 2021 No.6545909

>>6545821
>This is literally hololive. And especially coco.
oh yeah, Coco reading off Taiwan in a youtube analytics stream once and then getting harassed for almost a year by chinese nationalists to the point where she announced her graduation was totally a planned character arc trajectory.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:03:04 2021 No.6545911 >>6545863 Rin went from a happy JK to a lonely shut-in gamer who never talks to everyone and sits alone in her apartment while all her friends are outside having fun with everyone.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:03:34 2021 No.6545924 >>6545900 Yep. I don't want to slow down at this point. I'm gonna keep streaming a few more days this week.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:05:19 2021 No.6545967 >>6545924 Congrats on that many viewers! Don't be discouraged by your numbers dropping though, because they will drop. Debuts attract people like moths to a flame, and if you can keep half of those you're doing a good job.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:06:51 2021 No.6546011 >>6545785 I'm mad at you on behalf of all those poor /asp/ies that you are going to honeypot into this no-brain scheme of yours that will just end being a huge waste of time leaving everyone feeling gutted and worthless.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:06:51 2021 No.6546012 >>6545863 AZki? Planned to be a diva, is a diva. >>6545909 Coco is exactly the extreme example of someone not following the prescribed idol route. Just because management didn’t enforce the plan doesn’t mean it wasn’t there.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:07:34 2021 No.6546032 >>6545552 was your debut your first stream

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:09:01 2021 No.6546092 >>6545967 Yeah I'm prepared for the drop. Still it was nice seeing that many people there, since I pretty much expected it to be empty. >>6546032 It was, first public twitch stream I ever did.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:09:42 2021 No.6546116 >>6546092 >It was, first public twitch stream I ever did. you fucking retard why did you skip your streaming reps

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:09:45 2021 No.6546118

>>6546011
How is that different from any indie ever trying to stand out with a stream gimmick that they will inevitably change couple months later? Are you mad at people wasting time? If you want certainty, git gud and go corpo, all we have here are anons with enthusiasm.
I don’t even have a scheme or anything set up that I could rope people into.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:10:16 2021 No.6546137 >>6546092 >>First stream Oh boy, anon, oh boy...

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:10:30 2021 No.6546147 >>6546116 >why did you skip your streaming reps I mean I did private youtube streams, lol, no need to be mad.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:12:58 2021 No.6546212

I'm not sure I see the value of a big "debut" event. When I've got a PNG ready to go, I don't want to make a big deal, I figure I'll just make a tweet along the lines of, "Hey, I've got a real face now!" and go on streaming. Maybe if I spend the cash on a really fancy L2D, but it seems like as an indie, a big debut stream is just setting yourself up for disappointment.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:12:58 2021 No.6546214 >>6546147 >I mean I did private youtube streams, no you fucking retard I say this because there are too many retard making this same fucking mistake, private while better isn't much. DO YOUR STREAM REPS

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:14:34 2021 No.6546271

>>6546212
You should only bother when you already inherently have a following from being in the company.

If you're switching from another type of stream, (e.g. pngtuber, realtubing, etc) you can do a reveal stream, but making it a debut is kinda silly.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:16:48 2021 No.6546333 >>6546212 it's a feelgood numbers event with a slight chance of a boost. If you're going live2d route moment you get your PNG make content then have your fancy debut stream after you get rigged

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:16:55 2021 No.6546339 >>6546271 Yeah, I'm currently seeing between 5-10 people per stream, so a "debut" doesn't really make sense. I'd rather just get on with it and get used to streaming, hopefully finding an audience along the way.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:17:15 2021 No.6546346

>>6546212
My first stream every was preceded by me tweeting "Shit, my pngs came in. I've not got an excuse. I guess I debut once I load up OBS?"

My early growth hasn't been good, but I /am/ growing. I've got a second set of pngs come through though now - so one in a 'darkest dungeon' vibe for darker games, and one in a much more light-anime style for chill games. Haven't streamed with it, and I'm tempted to hold it back until I hit a minor milestone, so I can reveal it. Or do a pokemon evolving gif between the two.

There's no point debuting if you don't have clout beforehand. Your reach is small, so you can't pull people in with the idea of you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:19:39 2021 No.6546439 File: 1.62 MB, 1600x900, 1623241026528.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6545909 I'm just waiting for the redemption arc.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:22:12 2021 No.6546514 >>6546346 That sounds much better than my debut at least.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:30:27 2021 No.6546750 My debut was 5 months into streaming, I got smashed during it, remember only half, and forgot to save the VOD.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:31:08 2021 No.6546767 >>6546750 Based

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:32:04 2021 No.6546805 i masturbate to the fantasy of having a drunk stream and having chat bully me in my vulnerable state to ask personal questions while i coyly respond and lead them on to suggestive yabai content that sparks a flood of fanart of myself

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:32:09 2021 No.6546807 >>6546767 My viewers informed me they were impressed that I kept up my kayfabe. I'm impressed I actually remembered to end the stream.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:37:32 2021 No.6546965 What are your thoughts on "containment breach" (being linkable back to 4chan)?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:39:08 2021 No.6547009 >>6546965 will probably kill an indie, but not an issue once you pass a certain threshold

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:39:21 2021 No.6547015 >>6543262 there's literally already a discord full of /asp/ hopefuls just message one and get evaluated whether or not to be let in lmao

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:39:37 2021 No.6547022 >>6546965 I usually think of containment breaching as people bringing 4chan memes and lingo into otherwise normal streams, and it's pretty cringe inducing.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:40:12 2021 No.6547046

>>6546965
Why do it?

To flirt with the 4chan crowd? Unlikely, they are few and far between and if you haven't gotten any luck shilling yourself here yet, this won't help you.

Bring more people to 4chan? Extremely dumb move, the majority of people think this place is a cesspit, whether or not that is true.

Clout from other /here/? Again,doubtful. For the same reason you don't see Nina, Bat, Kongou or Krimbo doing regular containment breaches. They may imply, but they're not blatant about it.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:42:52 2021 No.6547116

>>6547046
>clout from /here/
you get the opposite, if you containment breach people /here/ immediately like you less and start to distance from you
most post in a way that you very clearly understand they are here, but there is no definite proof, no wink wink shit, it could always just be someone false flagging as them or posting their pictures
but if you outright talk about 4chan on stream you're done, most won't want to talk to you

AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD ASPIES STOP DOING THE 4CHAN TIERLISTS ON STREAM

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:43:06 2021 No.6547130 >>6546965 As long as you aren’t too brazen about it it should be fine. It’s just etiquette by now to not run in and shout „hey guys I’m from le 4chin lololol“

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:43:09 2021 No.6547132 >>6547046 >Krimbo doing regular containment breaches hello newfag

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:44:24 2021 No.6547177 >>6546965 stop doing it aspies

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:44:36 2021 No.6547182 File: 4 KB, 165x103, 79422553837014967292.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6547132 >he can't read full sentences

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:44:39 2021 No.6547185 It sure would be a shame if I were to leak the names of the containment breakers to the wider community, the ones who make blacklists.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:45:24 2021 No.6547202 >>6547182 no im saying krimbo does that

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:45:38 2021 No.6547209 >>6547185 nice larp vtweeter with 24 followers, one of which is your personal account

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:46:54 2021 No.6547248 >>6547046 So I shouldn't ever post my streams here, then? Guess I'm going to need to do high-intensity twitter reps...

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:48:16 2021 No.6547293 >>6547185 Oh noooo, don't put me on a black liiiist! This'll stop the fifty vtweeters who care about this shit from watching my content, which they won't do anyway.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:49:59 2021 No.6547342 >>6547248 I mean fuck, how many people do you think actually post to these threads? It's a small pool to fish your viewers from.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:50:21 2021 No.6547353 >>6547209 >>6547293 Hehe, say goodbye to any potential clout you could have had.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:50:30 2021 No.6547355

>>6547248
look at how people post their streams and just do that
>picture
>link to channel
>brief 1-2 sentence description of the person and game being streamed

and leave it at that, don't use 1st person speak, don't pretend to be a fan, everyone will understand and you won't have shouted "hey I'm from 4chan"
and if anyone brings up asp or wvt or 4chan you play stupid and ask what those are or change the subject

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:51:09 2021 No.6547374 >>6547353 Do you know who Seluna was?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:51:59 2021 No.6547403 File: 161 KB, 273x230, shimada_wink.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6547248 >>6547355 example: Tiger is playing viewer lobbies in Strive come check her out

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:52:10 2021 No.6547406 >>6547353 you talk big for someone who won't do anything

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:52:43 2021 No.6547417 >>6547403 >example You forgot the sauce, Gromit!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:54:04 2021 No.6547453 >>6547185 Fucking pewdiepie was here you think anyone ever cared

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:54:05 2021 No.6547454

>>6547417
I did forget but you get the fucking picture anon
it's not hard to understand how to post if you see how other people also do it
you might be fishing for a small group of viewers but other vtubers browse and click new links they haven't seen before
if you don't sperg out and can take feedback without having a menhera episode you can learn a lot

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:54:42 2021 No.6547467 >>6547403 Noted, question is, here, or trash? does it matter?

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:54:43 2021 No.6547470

>>6547374
I'll save you the trouble trying to look her up.
Thousands of followers on Twitter, known by most of the people on Twitter, ESPECIALLY among the VTweeters.

Still couldn't even get *close* to triple digit viewers on Twitch.

Lesson: Viewers don't care about "clout" or Twitter followship.

Look at how many people follow Jusagi and how many show up to his streams.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:56:40 2021 No.6547514 >>6547470 that's just the curse of him building up all his brand and stream based around giving advice on how to audition and market yourself chat full of vtubers is a terrible curse especially if your content is catering to them

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:57:49 2021 No.6547539 >>6547514 What I'm trying to say is, it doesn't matter if the VTweeters hate or love you, it has close to zero impact on your viewership.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:59:06 2021 No.6547571 >>6546965 I'm of the "hide your power level" mindset myself.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 13:20:34 2021 No.6548104

What do you guys think of collabing with 3DPD? Aside from Mori and Shit Taste I don't see it happening much. I want to collab with some nocam streamer friends, fuck rules about not getting close to males.
Layla is playing DbD with a normal streamer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fv3fmZQ-sE

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 13:25:21 2021 No.6548262 >>6548104 I don't dislike it at all, but it turns off a lot of viewers. I guess do it at your own risk?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 13:28:39 2021 No.6548348 >>6548104 depends on your audience more mainstream twitch styles of streaming won't run into any issues with it if you're going the gosling, gachi, or idol routes, expect some autism tantrums from fans but not a huge amount

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 13:32:51 2021 No.6548429

>>6548104
i don't think its a big deal, but depends on audience of course and who you're streaming with.
for example, i don't mind kuzuha or other dude i'm blanking on the name do it because they just stream with apex bros.

tamaki doing it was super fucking cringe because she was doing it with herself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 13:33:36 2021 No.6548454 >he commissions artists and doesn't tip cringe

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 13:38:02 2021 No.6548559 >>6547571 I try to do that, but I inevitably get drunk and start waving firearms around on-camera.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 13:48:49 2021 No.6548836 >>6547467 Most people are on both though a lot tend to be more open with selfposts in the back

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 13:51:55 2021 No.6548919 >>6548454 Why would I pay more than what we agreed on? Is this an American thing?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 14:35:09 2021 No.6550112 File: 1.15 MB, 1440x900, 1623594774382.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] thread's probably gonna die while i'm streaming so someone take this and start it for me

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 14:50:10 2021 No.6550484

>>6546965
I'll link to my twitch very rarely here but I'm never going to even mention 4chan ever in my streams. Even /asp/ is a cesspit that occasionally gets it's share of shizos and viewbot users, you're basically committing reputation suicide if the normies stick their head in here even once.

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